Re: Some feedback from using the neo as a phone for a day
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 20:05 -0500, Mark Arvidson wrote: UI: - The current keyboard is highly unusable. I know it's intended to be used with a stylus, and it's fine for that, but it's completely unreasonable to expect a user to have a stylus for activities like SMS, or entering a new contact. And even with pretty small fingers it's pretty hard for me to type on the keyboard. I totally agree. I can sometimes hit the right key with my fingernail, but backspace is difficult. The keys also have quite a bit of dead space between them, so you have to hit it right on. I know, not another iPhone comparison, but it seems that the iPhone's keyboard is actually usable and i hope to get something similar with the neo, so how about a cleaner keyboard with less and bigger keys? Is it even possible on the smaller screen of the neo? Maybe the keyboard would be more usable in landscape mode, detected by the accelerometers, gta02 will have? - The dialer application has the hangup button on the top right of the screen when in a call. When you actually talk on the phone it's _really_ easy to touch that part of the screen with your face, which results in 3-4 accidental hangups per call. Oops. :-) Same here. Maybe I need to shave closer. Maybe the hang up action could be reworked to a slide action instead of a button, like the iPhone (i know... ;D) and qtopia have for locking the phone. Like in qtopia you have to slide a key into a lock, you could have to move a phone onto the base part (sorry, don't know the correct english terms of those parts atm...) greets, Björn signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo to act as a bluetooth remote control?
Hi, I'm sorry if this is somewhere in the wiki already, but i don't have an internet connection atm as i'm moving and can only send and receive some email once a day, so i'd like to ask this: Are there any plans to make the Neo a usable bluetooth remote control for a media center pc for example? As there aren't any restrictions to hardware buttons, you could really create some nice rc, imho. greets, Björn signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 drawings
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:33:12 +0200, Doug Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be great if somebody did a really thorough job of documenting the Neo case. In other words, disassemble a Neo as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 and make nice orthographic images of all the case parts, from all angles -- back, front, edge-on, etc. As far as I know, the GTA02 case would be different from GTA01 inside, though the outer shape doesn't change. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 drawings
On 18/10/2007, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone gives me left-top-front etc views of a neo case... I can try to do something with SolidEdge (academic version of SolidWorks). I can't promise exactly when, maybe this weekend. (And it would be helpful if neo's curves were circles and not complicated splines... :D ) i assume solidedge can output in some friendly, non-proprietary format? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Subject: Re: the volume of this group
Timbo wrote: Question 2: Is it possible to pre-order the final version? Not yet, but subscribe to the announce list to find out when you can. /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 drawings
i assume solidedge can output in some friendly, non-proprietary format? eh eh eh... not sure... At least jpeg/png is OK :). I hope it can do DXF or something like that. I'll check this evening. Sébastien LORQUET Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Another question about OpenMoko sourcecode....
Where I can get (if I can) OpenMoko archived sources, because I have broken internet, and I can't download all sources But I very want to setup OM to my Palm TX:) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GNUstep/Objective-C SDK for OpenMoko --- jffs2 on MacOS X?
Dear all Mac based developers and GTA01 owners, after Apple has announced an SDK for native applications on the iPhone (I assume it will allow to write .app bundles with Xcode), I think I should mention (again?) that we are already working on a Cocoa compatible Objective-C based SDK for the Neo. The project is called mySTEP/QuantumSTEP (http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php? page=About) and is based on GNUstep (with heavy modifications to make it work nicely on a FPU-less ARM system). You can download the SDK and track for updates e.g. through Versiontracker: http:// www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20581 Together with Xtoolchain you can compile existing (pure Cocoa based) applications in just 5 minutes: you just have to add a Shell Script Run Phase to the project target, configure a little and build the application. The result is an .app bundle that includes an ARM-Linux binary ready to run on the real hardware (BTW: the resulting ARM binaries are typically very small - in the 16-100kByte range). To really run this bundle on the Neo, a runtime system needs to be installed. This process is currently still quite difficult through ssh (and we have in addition some severe show-stopping bugs in the first boot phases). But we intend announce a first snapshot rootfs for the GTA01 soon. For that purpose I have a question: does anybody know how to create a .jffs2 rootfs image directly on MacOS X (without running Open Embedded in a VM)? I have not found a FUSE module. Nikolaus Schaller PS: If you are interested in contributing and beta-testing, please send me a private mail. - Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching http://www.goldelico.com Digital Tools for Independent People - ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some feedback from using the neo as a phone for a day
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 21:52 +0200, Josef Wolf wrote: Apropos: does the neo have a MMU? Sure, there's an ARM9 core inside :-) Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Mewes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Phone: 0800 DAMEWES (3263937; from inside Germany, I call back) Mobile: +49 (0) 160 8577603 Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 drawings
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:33:12 +0200, Doug Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be great if somebody did a really thorough job of documenting the Neo case. In other words, disassemble a Neo as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 and make nice orthographic images of all the case parts, from all angles -- back, front, edge-on, etc. As far as I know, the GTA02 case would be different from GTA01 inside, though the outer shape doesn't change. If this is true, then the GTA02 case should be documented in the same way, when we get our hands on it. (I am planning to do this myself in December, if the current schedule holds.) But the GTA01 should be documented too. And the sooner this is done, the sooner we will be able to finish the designs of things like ExpansionBack and ExpansionSpacer, which should work equally well with GTA01 and GTA02. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo to act as a bluetooth remote control?
On 10/17/07, Björn Martensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm sorry if this is somewhere in the wiki already, but i don't have an internet connection atm as i'm moving and can only send and receive some email once a day, so i'd like to ask this: Are there any plans to make the Neo a usable bluetooth remote control for a media center pc for example? As there aren't any restrictions to hardware buttons, you could really create some nice rc, imho. You might want to give this a try. http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/btremote/ Its still under development. I will try to clean it up a bit and post some screenshots maybe later this week. -- Pranav greets, Björn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetBSD/evbarm NEO1973 netboot (roadmap)
Congrats! What are your plans to integrate this and to provide more drivers? Christos and all, obvious a certain person needs cvs commit ;) to integrate plans..what i'd like to see is: -debug usb_add and my usb_add setup.. i crash after some minutes (but that's just the emulator side) -debug the boot on real hardware i don't have any but, 1 person does testboots and has different results. so far he's done them w/o console, but he's getting closer to his debug board, there maybe having console. we're now at the point all tooling is there. -hope to get an X desktop this weekend or at the least know how much wscons wsdisplay there is using lcd0. -usb keyboard for wscons wskbd should be there(?) but usb keyboard on a neo-on-the-go looks a bit odd..so i'll try touch screen first -NAND file system has been mentioned a few times in http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-embed/ and recently in http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-kern/ so i stay off that whilst .. http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/drivers/mtd/nand/ is a good starting point ;) and would be doable if i succeed the touchscreen(?). but/and mind.. already multiple people have stated they have private implementations willing to share .. so we could have nand soon -http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/AUX_button -http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Power_Button -(SDHC) sd card -agps, audio, gsm/gprs -vibrator, backlight, accelerometer, etcetera -pkgsrc additions -pkgsrc/meta-pkgs/openmoko -pkgsrc/wm/matchbox-moko -pkgsrc/*/etcetera-moko think it's an interesting target (personal) machine w/ much modern appliance so others should join-in. (could be a hackaton subject, and good pr ..NetBSD endorses OpenMoko and Neo1973 in a week) --noud ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
This discussion has been had before. The conclusion was that you should get a better email app. On 10/18/07, David Shanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, New to the list and excited about the possibility of a open phone. Still new so i'm mainly lurking for now. I suppose this is directed to the list moderators/admins. I was wondering if there is a way to have openmoko or some list descriptor like community added in front of the subject of the emails sent out by the list. It would make sorting my emails much simpler, as right now i'm forced to sort my mailbox by hand daily. David p.s. I'm not really a developer, but would be interested in learning about how to develop apps or other modules for openmoko. I did take some programming classes in uni (mainly C++), but I find that if I can get a handle of syntax, i can figure out the way programs work.Anyways, anyone have a recommendation where to start (learn)? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:59:41 -0600, David Shanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, New to the list and excited about the possibility of a open phone. Still new so i'm mainly lurking for now. I suppose this is directed to the list moderators/admins. I was wondering if there is a way to have openmoko or some list descriptor like community added in front of the subject of the emails sent out by the list. It would make sorting my emails much simpler, as right now i'm forced to sort my mailbox by hand daily. I don't know what you are using to sort your incoming mail, but in exim, this is very simple. If you are using a 'real' user account, simply set up a .forward in your home directory with the following contents: --- if $header_to: CONTAINS lists.openmoko.org or $header_cc: CONTAINS lists.openmoko.org then save $home/Maildir/.Listservs.openmoko/ # use your own path finish endif --- HTH, josh ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
Hi All, New to the list and excited about the possibility of a open phone. Still new so i'm mainly lurking for now. I suppose this is directed to the list moderators/admins. I was wondering if there is a way to have openmoko or some list descriptor like community added in front of the subject of the emails sent out by the list. It would make sorting my emails much simpler, as right now i'm forced to sort my mailbox by hand daily. David p.s. I'm not really a developer, but would be interested in learning about how to develop apps or other modules for openmoko. I did take some programming classes in uni (mainly C++), but I find that if I can get a handle of syntax, i can figure out the way programs work.Anyways, anyone have a recommendation where to start (learn)? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
OK, i had setup my filter for addresses that contained community. Now i've made the change as you suggested (dunno why i didn't think to do that). Hopefully this works better now. This should work as a good test And sorry for the foolish question, i feel dumb now David Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:13:26 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title Hi David, just sort your mails by To: community@lists.openmoko.org; is your mailclient able to do this? hope to help! Ric On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:59:41 -0600 David Shanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, New to the list and excited about the possibility of a open phone. Still new so i'm mainly lurking for now.I suppose this is directed to the list moderators/admins. I was wondering if there is a way to have openmoko or some list descriptor like community added in front of the subject of the emails sent out by the list. It would make sorting my emails much simpler, as right now i'm forced to sort my mailbox by hand daily.David _ R U Ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5? Try it today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
On 19/10/2007, David Shanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, New to the list and excited about the possibility of a open phone. Still new so i'm mainly lurking for now. I suppose this is directed to the list moderators/admins. I was wondering if there is a way to have openmoko or some list descriptor like community added in front of the subject of the emails sent out by the list. It would make sorting my emails much simpler, as right now i'm forced to sort my mailbox by hand daily. this has been discussed to death here, with much flaming and arguing, and will probably not be done. the easiest way to do this for yourself, is to set up a folder and a filter. the filter should look at the 'to address' and re-direct all those to the openmoko list to that folder, then they will all be separate from your other inbox mails. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
David Shanks wrote: I suppose this is directed to the list moderators/admins. I was wondering if there is a way to have openmoko or some list descriptor like community added in front of the subject of the emails sent out by the list. It would make sorting my emails much simpler, as right now i'm forced to sort my mailbox by hand daily. Why don't you use Thunderbird, and simply set up a message filter on the To: address? Manual sorting is for people who don't have computers. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible to add OpenMoko to the email title
David Shanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose this is directed to the list moderators/admins. I was wondering if there is a way to have openmoko or some list descriptor like community added in front of the subject of the emails sent out by the list. It would make sorting my emails much simpler, as right now i'm forced to sort my mailbox by hand daily. List-Id: List for OpenMoko community discussion community.lists.openmoko.org -- And did those feet in ancient times Walk bare upon these lonely streets like mine? Does God watch us from that penthouse high above His children down below who live on air and love? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community