Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

[Carlo E. Prelz]

Subject: community@lists.openmoko.org
Date: mer 24 ott 07 03:48:18 -0600

Quoting Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> You need to keep in mind that:
> 
> - It takes maybe a couple of minutes at most to fire off a
> one-paragraph email.

and then it takes untold time and energy to extinguish the fire if the
promises made in that two-minute, one-paragraph e-mail eventually
prove to have been too optimist.

here we are not talking about describing the past or present, but
about foreseeing the future. If you are careful, and make appropriate
use of past experience, there are good, solid possibilities that your
forecast may prove true. Two minutes are way too short for this sort
of exercises.

> - If somebody, anybody, had taken 30 seconds to post a message to the
> list we wouldn't be having this flood of posts on this topic right
> now.

No. The flood is caused by lack of patience. An unripe message that
were to make wild promises may only work as a painkiller.
Painkillers remove the symptom, but they do not cure the problem.

> - Nobody is asking for an "official", press-release-ready corporate
> announcement. All we're asking for is something like this:
> 
> "Sorry, folks, but due to circumstances beyond our control we are not
> going to be able to make the release at the previously announced time.
> We are working on the issues and hope to be ready for sale in
> December."

During the life of this project I have seen several announcements of
this kind. Coming at the right time. 

I prefer not to see messages and to know the energy of the team is
focused towards having a working hardware as soon as possible, rather
than to have my impatience quelled by official postponements that have
no base in real events.

I rest comforted by the facts that a) it is their jobs, not mine, that
are in relation with a speedy delivery of both openmoko and the neo,
and b) if, come the worst, no functional phone were to eventually
surface from this project, well, my old treo still works OK... 

The best we can do to help is to provide support and encouragement to
the hard-working team. And to exercise the subtle art of patience.

Carlo

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Re: DVB-T

[Mathew Davis]

You could always get a MythTV box or the like and record the shows you
really want to watch.  Then when you have wifi up and running stream it to
the phone.  And you could even have it convert all the MPEG's to the
resolution and color depth of the neo's screen.  If you don't have the wifi
connection up you can always get a data connection although you won't be
able to stream it you'll probably have to download it or buffer like 80% of
it, but it should work.  I am probably over simplifying right now, but with
some trial and error you could work it out.

On 10/24/07, Michael Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> did not know if it has been mentioned or if i posted this link
> http://www.gigabytecm.com/eng/gbc_product.feature.aspx?pid=40
>
> Is it possible to add DVB-T  Televison to Openmoko Phone?
>
> Thanks, really I regard this a sessential to have DVB-T and not DVB-H or
> DMB !!I
> It is free and unlogable. A DVB-T2 Standard will be out soon as well..
>
> Thanks for a consideration Mike
>
>
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Constructive Criticism

[Mark]

I hope that everybody understands how much I really, REALLY want this
project to succeed. No one wishes more good things for this project
than I. My criticism is intended to be constructive, not destructive.
I bear absolutely no animosity toward FIC (I have in fact built
computers with their motherboards) or the OpenMoko development team.
I'm only trying to help your relationship with those people who really
want to become customers.

I apologize profusely if anyone thought differently.

Mark

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[Mark]

Jeff Andros jeff at bigredtj.com
On Wed Oct 24 23:22:11 CEST 2007
---
>On 10/24/07, Mark  wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, the alternative is for the people who are actually producing the
>> item to make an announcement. What is so difficult and unreasonable
>> about that concept??
>>
>
>keep in mind that:
>
>   - you're dealing with what is essentially a community project, the
>   official team is small and lean... taking time out to make announcements
>   used to mean taking a developer/manager off of developing/managing...
>   Michael is just getting into his swing for this
>   - you're dealing with a pre-production project... release dates are
>   more goals to hit than hard and firm dates... they could have another block
>   issue and have to scrap the design and do it a fifth time (knocking on my
>   desk... I think it has some wood in it somewhere)
>   - this is one of (if not the first) hardware platforms of this scope
>   that's open and community driven... a lot of the process/procedure is being
>   made up as we go along
>
>--
>Jeff
>O|||O
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You need to keep in mind that:

- It takes maybe a couple of minutes at most to fire off a one-paragraph email.

- We're NOT talking about "taking a developer/manager off of
developing/managing". That's absurd.

- If somebody, anybody, had taken 30 seconds to post a message to the
list we wouldn't be having this flood of posts on this topic right
now.

- "making things up as we go along" implies a learning process, which
means instead of getting defensive and denying responsibility and
wasting tons of everyone's time discussing a topic that should not be
an issue, learning the lesson and moving forward.

- Nobody is asking for an "official", press-release-ready corporate
announcement. All we're asking for is something like this:

"Sorry, folks, but due to circumstances beyond our control we are not
going to be able to make the release at the previously announced time.
We are working on the issues and hope to be ready for sale in
December."

Then, any time the most recent deadline becomes impossible or highly
unlikely, make a similar update announcement.

I still fail to understand what is so burdensome about that.

Mark

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Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

[Jeff Andros]

On 10/24/07, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> No, the alternative is for the people who are actually producing the
> item to make an announcement. What is so difficult and unreasonable
> about that concept??
>
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keep in mind that:

   - you're dealing with what is essentially a community project, the
   official team is small and lean... taking time out to make announcements
   used to mean taking a developer/manager off of developing/managing...
   Michael is just getting into his swing for this
   - you're dealing with a pre-production project... release dates are
   more goals to hit than hard and firm dates... they could have another block
   issue and have to scrap the design and do it a fifth time (knocking on my
   desk... I think it has some wood in it somewhere)
   - this is one of (if not the first) hardware platforms of this scope
   that's open and community driven... a lot of the process/procedure is being
   made up as we go along


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[Mark]

Ted Lemon mellon at fugue.com
Wed Oct 24 02:08:57 CEST 2007
On Oct 23, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Richard Reichenbacher wrote:
>> It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through
>> the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still
>> say OCTOBER...
>
>Considering that the alternative is for someone *else* to dig through
>the site and report the same answer to you, yes, actually, it does
>sound pretty reasonable for you to dig through the site yourself!   :')

No, the alternative is for the people who are actually producing the
item to make an announcement. What is so difficult and unreasonable
about that concept??

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Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

[Jeff Andros]

On 10/24/07, AVee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> what FIC is doing here is providing community service and goes beyond any
> obligation they have toward us. I really annoys me when people claim a
> right
> to get something *for free*. It doesn't work that way, you can ask, but
> you
> just can't make demands.
>
> AVee
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Ok, everybody chill for a second.  AVee's right, we're getting way more
info, and a deeper look into FIC and OpenMoko's dev process than you get
from any other company... some craziness and confusion is pretty much
standard for any product development... normally by the time apple or HP or
whoever announces a product, that is a distant memory, and it's all been
sorted out.

On the other hand, the community members are a part of the development
process, like any development team we can expect to be kept in the loop.
Keeping half your team in the dark is a sure way to kill a project.

The problem is, developing products like this is in it's infancy.  I'm not
sure that this is the first hardware product that's both large-scale and
community based, but if not it's pretty close.  The openmoko team is not
only having to develop a product, they're also having to develop how to
create an open, commercial hardware platform.  Michael was hired to address
some of these communication issues.  As I understand it (and please correct
me if I'm wrong) he's here to be our liason into the company's progress.
We're all so used to big faceless companies that you have to wheedle decent
service out of, that some of us have forgotten how to do anything else.

Next time there is a question like this, lets keep it civil, there may be a
delay in getting back to you because people have to go find the answer, or
it's not something that's been set yet.  Worst case, there are people inside
OpenMoko(is there a set rule of how to capitalize that? OpenMoko, Openmoko,
OpenMoKo?) that will answer your question, but be aware that most of them
have other duties... If you're asking Harald a question, realize answering
your question takes time away from developing.

anyways, let's try to be patient... remember we're still at the crawling
phase
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Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

[Michael Shiloh]

Actually, you do make a good point. I should post my bi-weekly updates 
to the announce list as well.


Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Michael


All I'm asking for is the occasional update on the "announce" list
(what is that list for, anyway, if it's not for exactly this kind of
thing?). There hasn't been a post to that list for a month, and
that was only a request for help on the Web-shop. The last "real" post
to that list was on August 20, more than two months ago. Do you really
think that's reasonable


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Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?

[Michael Shiloh]

Indeed I did, but I should take it one step further: If any of you spot 
a place in the wiki which mentions October, please replace it with November


Even better, add in parenthesis (As of 24 October 2007: GTA02v3 
currently being evaluated; GTA02v4 evaluation to start any day)


Michael



Jeff Andros wrote:
just making sure this pops up on Michael's email, he said to send him 
any place in the wiki that it says october


On 10/23/07, *ian douglas* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
wrote:

Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of
when the GTA02 will be available :o)

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison
still says October 2007 for the GTA02


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Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

[AVee]

On Wednesday 24 October 2007 14:07, Andreas Utterberg wrote:
> Nice approach!?. Not!, why flame everyone that have a oppinion? Thats
> what community work is all about.
> Lets face it, the month is wrong and the information is hard to find for
> new customers, users and developers.
>
> Also they will not have a clue what GTA02 is from the start..
>
> Stop flaming, and start helping and fix things instead.

So ranting against one of they few companies that actually let you in on their 
development process is OK, but I am flamimg? 
Or *demanding* more effort from a company that is going out of it's ways to 
provide you a fully open phone, is that what community work is about?

FIC is a commercial company doing far more than then they have to (Did Apple 
keep you posted about progess of the iPhone development?), you do realize 
they could have choosen not to publish any information at all? If these kind 
of demands are what they get in return for providing information I really 
can't blame them when thats what they do next time. But I don't want that to 
happen, so please, accept what you are getting here and be happy with it.

And whining about customer service is something only customers are allowed to 
do, what FIC is doing here is providing community service and goes beyond any 
obligation they have toward us. I really annoys me when people claim a right 
to get something *for free*. It doesn't work that way, you can ask, but you 
just can't make demands. 

AVee

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Re: Evolution - Message Filters

[Jonathon Suggs]

Ok, I wanted to share what I found.  It isn't quite as
easy/straightforward as that.  There is a preliminary step that you have
to take for that to work.

You have to go to your Edit->Preferences then on the mail accounts menu,
select Edit for the mail account you are wanting to have filters enabled
on.  Then on the Receiving Options tab, you have to check the option
"Apply filters to new messages in INBOX on this server"

I find that very non-obvious and extremely frustrating since you setup
filters but they don't work.  Oh well.  Maybe that is something we can
address in the version that is used in OM.

Thanks to all who responded.

-Jonathon

-Original Message-
From: Brian Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: List for OpenMoko community discussion

Subject: Re: Evolution - Message Filters
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:48:32 -0500

Just select one of the mailing list messages, right click select "Create
filter from Mailing list" in the pop up menu. :)


On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 09:56 -0500, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Sorry to send this to the whole list, but I figured at least one person
> out there is using Evolution.  I just (well, still in the progress)
> migrated my work desktop from XP to Ubuntu.  I was using Thunderbird for
> reading this list and had no problems having it move all OM related
> email to specific folders.  I've been trying several different
> combinations of message filters to get it to recognize the OM mail, but
> nothing is working and it is starting to become very frustrating.
> 
> So, for anyone using Evolution (and sorting OM list mail) please let me
> know what you are doing.
> 
> -Jonathon
> 
> Side note, I was going to use Thunderbird here on Ubuntu, but I thought
> that since Evolution was what was going to be used for the Neo I'd go
> ahead and get familiar and hopefully have less troubles syncing the two.
> 
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Re: Exact release date of GTA02v4?

[Steven **]

Note that that is an estimated timeline created by a community member.
Don't take those dates as gospel and then get upset if they're missed.

We all want the GTA02 ASAP.  But we also want the hardware to be in perfect
working order.  If it's rushed, there's a much larger chance of issues being
found after it's been delivered.  We don't want that.  So, let's all just be
a little patient here.

-Steven

On 10/24/07, Andreas Utterberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanx...
>
> Thats the post i have been waiting on
>
> /Andreas
>
> On 10/24/07, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Since no one else has seen fit to make an appropriate post, I'm
> > pasting this from the one place on the site that has some information:
> >
> > Estimated time line
> > * Sep 20 - GTA02v3 design finalized.
> > * Sep 25 - GTA02v3 serious flaw found, GTA02v4 needed.
> > * Oct 15 - GTA02v4 design finalized.
> > * Oct 30 - GTA02v4 design produced, and shipped to qualified
> > developers.
> > * Nov 20 - GTA02v4 design verified through testing by developers.
> > * Dec 10 - GTA02v4 produced in moderate volume
> > * Dec 20 - GTA02v4 goes on sale
> > * Dec 25 - GTA02v4 arrives. See Santa's Sleigh Package Service.
> >
> >
> > However, I suggest everyone take this with a grain of salt and not
> > expect anything until well after the New Year.
> >
> > Wolfmane
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Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

[Andreas Utterberg]

Nice approach!?. Not!, why flame everyone that have a oppinion? Thats
what community work is all about.
Lets face it, the month is wrong and the information is hard to find for new
customers, users and developers.

Also they will not have a clue what GTA02 is from the start..

Stop flaming, and start helping and fix things instead.

/Andreas


On 10/24/07, AVee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 24 October 2007 01:25, Richard Reichenbacher wrote:
> > Mark wrote:
> > > Richard Reichenbacher richard5 at email.arizona.edu
> > > Tue Oct 23 21:03:31 CEST 2007
> > >
> > >> Or perhaps you could continue searching the wiki for updated
> > >> information.
> > >>
> > >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02
> > >>
> > >> Scroll down to estimated time line.
> > >
> > > Oh, yeah, there's a single place in the entire wiki that gives updated
> > > information. It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through
> > > the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still
> > > say OCTOBER...
> > >
> > > All I'm asking for is the occasional update on the "announce" list
> > > (what is that list for, anyway, if it's not for exactly this kind of
> > > thing?). There hasn't been a post to that list for a month, and
> > > that was only a request for help on the Web-shop. The last "real" post
> > > to that list was on August 20, more than two months ago. Do you really
> > > think that's reasonable
> > >
> > > If this is the kind of attitude and customer service we can expect
> > > after we buy the thing, I'm not so sure I'm interested anymore...
>
> Did you buy a GTA02? No? Well, in that case, your not a customer, so quit
> bitching about 'customer service', because thats something only customers
> get.
> You are getting a peek into the development proccess at FIC, that not
> something you usually get with other companies and you surely can't claim
> some sort of right to be informed about this.
>
> If you can't handle it, unsubscribe from the community list and wait for
> the
> announcement telling you the thing is available, *like you would with any
> other product*. Or be happy with whatever information you may get,
> realizing
> it's all extra.
>
> AVee
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Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

[AVee]

On Wednesday 24 October 2007 01:25, Richard Reichenbacher wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > Richard Reichenbacher richard5 at email.arizona.edu
> > Tue Oct 23 21:03:31 CEST 2007
> >
> >> Or perhaps you could continue searching the wiki for updated
> >> information.
> >>
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02
> >>
> >> Scroll down to estimated time line.
> >
> > Oh, yeah, there's a single place in the entire wiki that gives updated
> > information. It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through
> > the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still
> > say OCTOBER...
> >
> > All I'm asking for is the occasional update on the "announce" list
> > (what is that list for, anyway, if it's not for exactly this kind of
> > thing?). There hasn't been a post to that list for a month, and
> > that was only a request for help on the Web-shop. The last "real" post
> > to that list was on August 20, more than two months ago. Do you really
> > think that's reasonable
> >
> > If this is the kind of attitude and customer service we can expect
> > after we buy the thing, I'm not so sure I'm interested anymore...

Did you buy a GTA02? No? Well, in that case, your not a customer, so quit 
bitching about 'customer service', because thats something only customers get. 
You are getting a peek into the development proccess at FIC, that not 
something you usually get with other companies and you surely can't claim 
some sort of right to be informed about this. 

If you can't handle it, unsubscribe from the community list and wait for the 
announcement telling you the thing is available, *like you would with any 
other product*. Or be happy with whatever information you may get, realizing 
it's all extra.

AVee

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Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

[Andreas Utterberg]

No it doesnt, this important information should be on the products page or
on the importent news on openmoko.com. Its extremly important information to
people that is about to buy the device. Bouth regular users and for
developers.

/Andreas

On 10/24/07, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Richard Reichenbacher richard5 at email.arizona.edu
> Tue Oct 23 21:03:31 CEST 2007
> >Or perhaps you could continue searching the wiki for updated information.
> >
> >http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02
> >
> >Scroll down to estimated time line.
>
> Oh, yeah, there's a single place in the entire wiki that gives updated
> information. It's so reasonable to expect everybody to dig through
> the entire site to find it, amid the multitude of places that still
> say OCTOBER...
>
> All I'm asking for is the occasional update on the "announce" list
> (what is that list for, anyway, if it's not for exactly this kind of
> thing?). There hasn't been a post to that list for a month, and
> that was only a request for help on the Web-shop. The last "real" post
> to that list was on August 20, more than two months ago. Do you really
> think that's reasonable
>
> If this is the kind of attitude and customer service we can expect
> after we buy the thing, I'm not so sure I'm interested anymore...
>
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Re: Wired Test article on the lazy phone industry mentions OpenMoko

[AVee]

On Tuesday 23 October 2007 16:55, Federico Lorenzi wrote:
> On 10/23/07, Justyn Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Don't suppose you would mind pasting what it said? Some people on slow
> internet connections can't exactly download a 23mb pdf.

The article is also available here: 
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/magazine/test2007/st_essay

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Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??

[Andreas Utterberg]

Thanx Michael

I apprichiate the answer, im sitting on needles and pins here, me and a few
other friends, and we dont know if we shall order the current device on sale
since we can be missing importent upgrade specs or fundamental support in
the new hardware. As i read in some other post, its importent to keep the
community posted since many possible contributers maybe ware waiting for the
GTA02, but can think of buying the current Neo if it takes to long to get
the GTA02 to the market.

Im one of them..

The latest i have seen is the 20:e of dec which is to long for me, so im
buying the current neo for sale. Hopefully im not missing to much in a spec
point of view.

/Andreas

On 10/23/07, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Andreas Utterberg wrote:
> > Yes im sorry, i meant the GTA02 :-) and by release date i  mean when its
> > available for ordering.
> > I realy want to have a neo, but want to wait for the 02 since i have
> > heard something about nov-dec? is that correct?
>
> Hello Andreas,
>
> You are partially correct, we are aiming for November, but the truth is
> we can't tell exactly when it will be available for ordering because we
> don't know what unexpected surprises we'll run in to.
>
> Right now we're pretty happy with the third revision of GTA02 (GTA02v3).
> We started the forth revision already and we should be our first units
> of GTA02v4 so that we can start evaluating them any day now.
>
> But as to exact dates, we can not predict that.
>
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Re: Exact release date of GTA02v4?

[Andreas Utterberg]

Thanx...

Thats the post i have been waiting on

/Andreas

On 10/24/07, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since no one else has seen fit to make an appropriate post, I'm
> pasting this from the one place on the site that has some information:
>
> Estimated time line
> * Sep 20 - GTA02v3 design finalized.
> * Sep 25 - GTA02v3 serious flaw found, GTA02v4 needed.
> * Oct 15 - GTA02v4 design finalized.
> * Oct 30 - GTA02v4 design produced, and shipped to qualified
> developers.
> * Nov 20 - GTA02v4 design verified through testing by developers.
> * Dec 10 - GTA02v4 produced in moderate volume
> * Dec 20 - GTA02v4 goes on sale
> * Dec 25 - GTA02v4 arrives. See Santa's Sleigh Package Service.
>
>
> However, I suggest everyone take this with a grain of salt and not
> expect anything until well after the New Year.
>
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Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??

[Andreas Utterberg]

Ok then, just update the wiki and close the mailinglist! RTFM is never a
good answer in a community. I have already read that but no shipping date is
specified what i could find, just posting to and from users that "belives",
"guessing" or "have heard", someone must know!?.

And about the specs, users that have used the current Neo maybe can give
some input if the GTA02 ar worth waiting for in a specs point of view.


On 10/23/07, Sébastien Lorquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sometimes "RTFM" is a good answer...
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29
>
>
> * 802.11 b/g WiFi
> * Samsung 2442 SoC
> * SMedia 3362 Graphics Accelerator
> * 2 3D Accelerometers
> * 256MB Flash
> * 1700mAh Battery
> * Faster CPU - S3C2442/400
> * LEDs illuminating the two buttons.
>
>
> 2007/10/23, Andreas Utterberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Yes im sorry, i meant the GTA02 :-) and by release date i  mean when its
> > available for ordering.
> > I realy want to have a neo, but want to wait for the 02 since i have
> > heard something about nov-dec? is that correct?
> >
> > Is it big differences in specs and looks of the GTA02 and the now
> > available neo?
> >
> > /Andreas  U
> >
> > On 10/22/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Community
> > >
> > > Hi, welcome!
> > >
> > > > When is the exact release date of GTA01Bv4? The new Neo phone
> > >
> > > Do you mean the GTA02? There is no announcement yet.
> > >
> > > And just for my curiosity: how do you define "exact release" date?
> > >
> > > a) the first announcement that you can order
> > > b) the first device did leave the production line
> > > c) the first real shipment has started
> > > d) the first owner has it in his hands?
> > >
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Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4??

[Richard Reichenbacher]

Mark wrote:

I have been scouring the site all along, but the last time I checked
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 that timeline information was NOT
there. Apparently I've been paying a lot more attention than you...

Wolfmane

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Wait, I'm confused here now.  If I knew about this page and about the 
update, then how am I the one not paying attention.  If I know 
information you don't, usually that's an indicator that you're not 
paying attention.


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Re: Evolution - Message Filters

[Brian Wolfe]

Just select one of the mailing list messages, right click select "Create
filter from Mailing list" in the pop up menu. :)


On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 09:56 -0500, Jonathon Suggs wrote:
> Sorry to send this to the whole list, but I figured at least one person
> out there is using Evolution.  I just (well, still in the progress)
> migrated my work desktop from XP to Ubuntu.  I was using Thunderbird for
> reading this list and had no problems having it move all OM related
> email to specific folders.  I've been trying several different
> combinations of message filters to get it to recognize the OM mail, but
> nothing is working and it is starting to become very frustrating.
> 
> So, for anyone using Evolution (and sorting OM list mail) please let me
> know what you are doing.
> 
> -Jonathon
> 
> Side note, I was going to use Thunderbird here on Ubuntu, but I thought
> that since Evolution was what was going to be used for the Neo I'd go
> ahead and get familiar and hopefully have less troubles syncing the two.
> 
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Re: About Qtopia packages

[Simon]

Hi,
  not the right place to ask.  Have you tried http://www.qtopia.net/

No need to reply, just subscribe to their forum/mailing list, they'll
help you out.

Simon

On 10/23/07, wim delvaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do I install additional packages for Qtopia ?
> Is there a apt-get URL or what ?
>
> CU
> W
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