Re: SIM card read/write [was Re: SIM Card Copy]
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 23:08, Ian Darwin wrote: However, it would be nice if you could just put a sim card into the Neo (or other OpenMoko) phone, select copy sim to softsim from the menu, and have a software copy of the sim available in the phone. Then you could change back to another physical sim card, and you would have dual sim capability in the phone without the need for any extra hardware at all. Be careful what you wish for :-) The physical SIM serves as an authentication token, which is why they are made difficult to copy. If you lose a phone (or an SD card) with a copy of your SIM credentials, anybody finding it can make phone calls at your expense, and (at least in the case of the SD card) you might not notice the loss until this problem had become very expensive. And don't look for a freefund -- I doubt that any carrier would be at all sympathetic to *this* sob story! Another 'nice' addition to this would be a application which generates random SIM cards, until you find one which actually connect to the network. I anyone pulls off the SIM copy functionality someone else will do this and one day they may hit your SIM. Leaving your phone out of sight for a few minutes may put you at risk of having your SIM card cloned, and you won't know until its to late. And using your SIM for criminal activities sure beats an anonymous prepaid card. I'm all for functions to copy phonebook data and other stuff like that, actually i'd consider that basic functionality for any GSM phone, but cloning the authentication part of a SIM card is a can of worms I'd rather keep tightly closed. AVee -- Murder is always a mistake -- one should never do anything one cannot talk about after dinner. -- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM Card Copy
SIM cards are smartcards. They can not be copied by design! The only way to duplicate a SIM is to hack it. No idea if and how far that is possible. But it is certainly not legal. Ask your provider for a duplicate SIM. Many providers will give you multiple identical SIM if you need them. (At least here in germany) Cailan Halliday wrote: I just had an idea that I got from a couple of devices, how about a virtual SIM card? Is it possible to make an ISO of a SIM card and store it in the Neo to be, for lack of a better word, booted from? I've seen devices like these: http://www.thetravelinsider.com/phones/simsaver.htm http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/9ca8/ This could replace the idea of having multiple SIM card slots, this way you can have multiple carriers on your phone without the need for more slots. -Cailan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM Card Copy
Cailan Halliday wrote: http://www.thetravelinsider.com/phones/simsaver.htm http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/9ca8/ They only copy readeable data like address books and alike. Not the entire sim. This could replace the idea of having multiple SIM card slots, this way you can have multiple carriers on your phone without the need for more slots. You could route the pins from the gsm moduleto another SIM slot than the builtin. You could even do this via network (probably with some additional hardware). Like a giant virtual extension cord. You could even design a dual sim slot where you can switch over from one sim to another. (and reset the gsm modem if you switched) But you will always need a sim in hardware. ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sean's impact being felt...
Verizon Wireless opens up In a stunning about-face, the second-largest wireless carrier in the US, Verizon Wireless, has said that it would allow any compatible device to run on its cellular network by the end of next year. What's more, users will be able to run any application they wish, Verizon Wireless said. http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=C3AC4BFC-3D5A-48CE-AE6E-964965B1F0C3. They're crediting Google and others, but remember that OpenMoko was in the public eye for a year before Google came out ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM card read/write [was Re: SIM Card Copy]
Having a feature like this is not going to create a higher incidence of SIM theft, the technology is already out there (there are even software programs that can steel much of your key info out of the air), knowing that, you should just watch where you put your phone and keep tabs on your cellphone account, if you see unusual activity freeze your data services. I think this would be a great feature to have if it were not illegal, this is debatable of course, but OpenMoko might not want to get into such a situation. I think a SIM copy for contacts should be included. As far as multi SIM calling support, how about a dual SIM slot with one inside (your home one) and a slot you can access from the outside, like a SD slot, for changing SIM you use in other areas. -Cailan Another 'nice' addition to this would be a application which generates random SIM cards, until you find one which actually connect to the network. I anyone pulls off the SIM copy functionality someone else will do this and one day they may hit your SIM. Leaving your phone out of sight for a few minutes may put you at risk of having your SIM card cloned, and you won't know until its to late. And using your SIM for criminal activities sure beats an anonymous prepaid card. I'm all for functions to copy phonebook data and other stuff like that, actually i'd consider that basic functionality for any GSM phone, but cloning the authentication part of a SIM card is a can of worms I'd rather keep tightly closed. AVee -- Murder is always a mistake -- one should never do anything one cannot talk about after dinner. -- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean's impact being felt...
That's terrific news, but short term, OpenMoko and most other open efforts have limited access to the Verizon network, which is 100% CDMA. Sigh. Bill Ian Darwin wrote: Verizon Wireless opens up In a stunning about-face, the second-largest wireless carrier in the US, Verizon Wireless, has said that it would allow any compatible device to run on its cellular network by the end of next year. What's more, users will be able to run any application they wish, Verizon Wireless said. http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=C3AC4BFC-3D5A-48CE-AE6E-964965B1F0C3. They're crediting Google and others, but remember that OpenMoko was in the public eye for a year before Google came out ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Bill Weinberg - Embedded and Open Source Analyst / Consultant http://www.linuxpundit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 831-662-2857 (p) | 408-568-2492 (m) | 831-662-2852 (f) Blogs: http://activeanalysis.net/blog/18 http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/mobile ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Sean's impact being felt...
Worth mentioning in this context is that all this openness will be limited to devices which can pass Verizon's test criteria, which are, so far, unspecified. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Weinberg Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:23 AM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Sean's impact being felt... That's terrific news, but short term, OpenMoko and most other open efforts have limited access to the Verizon network, which is 100% CDMA. Sigh. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean's impact being felt...
Yeah, I would take this more as marketing jargon then actual practice. I'm sure they just made this announcement to make sure they don't get swept away the Google hype machine. On Nov 28, 2007 11:27 AM, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Worth mentioning in this context is that all this openness will be limited to devices which can pass Verizon's test criteria, which are, so far, unspecified. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Weinberg Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:23 AM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Sean's impact being felt... That's terrific news, but short term, OpenMoko and most other open efforts have limited access to the Verizon network, which is 100% CDMA. Sigh. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean's impact being felt...
I was wondering if Apple negotiated something... they have an exclusive with Cingular for the current iPhone but maybe it doesn't prevent them from also selling a different phone for CDMA. And maybe they just don't like being exclusive, and wanted to have control of their own marketing/branding, so they insisted on the CDMA phone being unlocked. Not that that would require Verizon to be an open network necessarily, but it could be related somehow... Oh and the Amazon Kindle is on the CDMA network too. Hmmm. Apparently CDMA can be very low-power, somehow. Anyway it seems to be a big change; always GSM has been the more open network just because you can put your SIM in any compliant phone without asking first, whereas to switch a different phone onto your Verizon account, you have to go through an activation process. Even still, how could that change? They might just be less picky about which phones they will activate, but activation would still have to occur. The talk about virtualizing SIMs is kindof ironic in that the existence of the SIM card, and the fact that GSM is a global standard, has been a force pushing towards openness of phones. If every network required activation, it would be very hard for the OpenMoko project to exist. Personally I switched a couple years ago after I realized what a mistake it was to be on Verizon, because GSM is where the action is. Now that may change, and EVDO is so attractive after all... Anybody working on porting Linux to any existing CDMA phones? Like the Moto Q maybe? Speaking of the Kindle, another fun project would be to create a combination phone/ebook reader, with a large (roll-up?) eInk display. But there is such a huge price gap between the eInk developer kits and the actual devices; they don't make it very easy to get started. It would be much cheaper to hack an ebook than to build a new one. On Nov 28, 2007 10:22 AM, William Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's terrific news, but short term, OpenMoko and most other open efforts have limited access to the Verizon network, which is 100% CDMA. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
need someone to develop this....
ok, it's pointless, stupid and probably a waste of resources, but this has to be developed by somebody: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/28/1342248 it's a phone app that reports the remaining battery life, when shaken, by making sloshing sounds - the more battery, the more 'full' it sounds what a wonderfully inventive use of accelerometers ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Sean's impact being felt...
Yeh well if OpenMoko/FIC hired a decent PR team this wouldn't be an issue. Lets face it guys, OpenMoko haven't yet passed the geek/hardcore enthusiast stage. Apart from shipping 1000 units they aren't really on the open market. Hell even Savaje managed to make it that far at JavaOne in 2005. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Darwin Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:02 PM To: OpenMoko Subject: Sean's impact being felt... They're crediting Google and others, but remember that OpenMoko was in the public eye for a year before Google came out ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: need someone to develop this....
Lol - I love it. Fantastic. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:18 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: need someone to develop this ok, it's pointless, stupid and probably a waste of resources, but this has to be developed by somebody: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/28/1342248 it's a phone app that reports the remaining battery life, when shaken, by making sloshing sounds - the more battery, the more 'full' it sounds what a wonderfully inventive use of accelerometers ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: need someone to develop this....
+1 that would be sweet On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:35:27 -0500, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lol - I love it. Fantastic. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:18 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: need someone to develop this ok, it's pointless, stupid and probably a waste of resources, but this has to be developed by somebody: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/28/1342248 it's a phone app that reports the remaining battery life, when shaken, by making sloshing sounds - the more battery, the more 'full' it sounds what a wonderfully inventive use of accelerometers ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need someone to develop this....
Oh yes. Someone, please do this. I'll support in any way I can. Michael Robin Paulson wrote: ok, it's pointless, stupid and probably a waste of resources, but this has to be developed by somebody: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/28/1342248 it's a phone app that reports the remaining battery life, when shaken, by making sloshing sounds - the more battery, the more 'full' it sounds what a wonderfully inventive use of accelerometers ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Qtopia image... Predictive keyboard not being predictive
I've been using the latest image from qtopia.net since it was uploaded. I just realized today when I tried to send a text that the keyboard isn't predicting anything. I checked in languages and english is selected. The predictive keyboard comes up when I go to type a message but it just doesn't predict anything. Any ideas? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Qtopia image... Predictive keyboard not being predictive
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: I've been using the latest image from qtopia.net since it was uploaded. I just realized today when I tried to send a text that the keyboard isn't predicting anything. I checked in languages and english is selected. The predictive keyboard comes up when I go to type a message but it just doesn't predict anything. Any ideas? I believe you are right, bad regression. Thanks for that. Bug filed. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Can openmoko and FIC help the Redux model 1?
At a recent conference the hosts gave away a free iPhone to its attendees but they were annoyed that they couldn't buy them in bulk and other things, long story short for the next conference they have proposed designing and building a completely open Internet tablet. http://www.o2con.com/thread/1045 One of the designs uses the neo1973 and openmoko as its base http://itredux.com/blog/2007/09/17/openmoko/ They seem to have some seriously heavy hitting sponsors (especially if they can pay for a full price iPhone for each conference attendee). I left a message on the blog to contact Sean (hope that's alright), I should have mentioned something about enlightenment on the neo because they seem to like iPhone like eye candy. With their money and FIC/the openmoko community's experience we could do for Internet tablets what we're doing for phones. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
samba on openmoko
I would like to have samba on my openmoko phone, is samba and samba client included in Openmoko OS?? thanks Giorgio -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: In REGALO 'All the Good Thing' di NELLY FURTADO Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=6617d=20071129 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Qtopia image... Predictive keyboard not being predictive
Quoting clare [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: english is selected. The predictive keyboard comes up when I go to type a message but it just doesn't predict anything. Any ideas? Give Thanks - sorry I couuldn't resist... clare I've actually been very lucky with the predictive keyboard. Especially since I have gorilla hands and I'm not very accurate. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Qtopia image... Predictive keyboard not being predictive
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting clare [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: english is selected. The predictive keyboard comes up when I go to type a message but it just doesn't predict anything. Any ideas? Give Thanks - sorry I couuldn't resist... clare I've actually been very lucky with the predictive keyboard. Especially since I have gorilla hands and I'm not very accurate. This is why this keyboard is so awesome, IMHO. You do not have to be stylus accurate to use it. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can openmoko and FIC help the Redux model 1?
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 23:41:11 andy selby wrote: I left a message on the blog to contact Sean (hope that's alright), I should have mentioned something about enlightenment on the neo because they seem to like iPhone like eye candy. Aren't they in essence describing a stripped down N800? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
