MiniOne
Hello community, does anyone of you already have a Meizu MiniOne Phone? The phone looks very interesting for me (just made a small impression of it - like the iPhone)... It is really cheap (when the given prices are the right ones) Only GPS is missing... And maybe UMTS... Prices: ca. $195/~149€ (4GB ohne Kamera), $310/~237€ (4GB mit Kamera),$285/~217€ (8GB ohne Kamera) und $400/~305€ (8GB mit Kamera) But it is running WindowsMobile... :-( So - do you think it could be possible to run OpenMoko on this phone?! * ARM11 533MHZ Prozessor * 128MB DDR SDRAM Cache * EDGE, GSM und WCDMA * Windows Mobile 6.0 Betriebssystem * Video Decoder CODEC * 3,32″ TFT, VGA (720 x 480), 16 Millionen Farben Touchscreen * 3 Megapixel Kamera sowie 0,3 Megapixel VGA Kamera für Konferenzen (Autofocus, kein Blitz) * Bluetooth (mit GPS Zugang) , Line Out mit DMB Support, Wi-Fi mit Wireless Karte * 1600mAH Akku * Möglichkeit von 720 x 480 AVI, MPEG4, WMV Videos mit 30ftps Greetings, Mario ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MiniOne
On Thursday 06 March 2008 09:57:22 Mario Wewer wrote: Hello community, does anyone of you already have a Meizu MiniOne Phone? You mean it's *not* vapor ware but actually for sale? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
Dear all, Please excuse my blatant blog-promotion, but here's a short entry on my use of the Neo1973 and tangoGPS as a bicycle computer: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080306 Cheers, Joseph On 07/12/2007, Eric Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hank Williams wrote: standard. Is gpio a wireless signaling standard? If so, I was not able to find it. It seems like a wired standard, and if it is a wired By GPIO I'm pretty sure he means signals that are friendly for interfacing to a CPU or other chips general purpose i/o lines. As someone else has mentioned recently on the list, I've started the mokosport project to come up with some code/discussion as to bicyclist/runner friendly uses for the moko. It hasn't really got off the ground yet, but all input is welcome! -E ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MiniOne
If you read the update to the quoted article of Heise-online it says that the Meizo booth was reopened later that day and the Meizo MiniOne was on display again. The whole issue was about an MP3 player by Meizo, not the MiniOne. See you, Eddie C. Dost Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 06.03.2008 um 10:41 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: On Thursday 06 March 2008 09:57:22 Mario Wewer wrote: Hello community, does anyone of you already have a Meizu MiniOne Phone? You mean it's *not* vapor ware but actually for sale? There was a note on the German online magazine Heise-online that the German tax and duties authorities have confiscated all Meizu MiniOne devices during CeBIT because of patent infringement issues: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/104558 And before you ask: yes, this is possible and legal. A company who has a patent in Europe can ask the tax authorities to confiscate infringing hardware as product piracy *when they are imported and enter the European Union*. In the case of CeBIT it is much simpler to wait until the manufacturer shows everything on their booth, than trying to find something in the baggage of the exhibitor's staff at the airports. The importer must then show proof that he has valid licenses and has paid any relevant fees. If he has or does not infringe patents, he can ask the original company who has done this for compensation (i.e. damage in image, loss of revenue and customers). The latter point shows that the patent owners must be quite sure what they do (or have enough money). But this all takes time and CeBIT has already closed its doors. The same has happened several times for MP3 players in previous years. Basically all this is a service that one gets by having a patent and paying the patent fees. He can ask taxduty authorities for help to protect against infringing imports. So my conclusion is: it is not vapor because these devices exist - but they can't be sold or imported legally into the EU. Nikolaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___brainaid_ Eddie C. Dost Rue de la Chapelle 51 phone +32 87 788817 B-4850 Moresnetfax +32 87 788818 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgiumcell +49 172 9312808 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MiniOne
Am 06.03.2008 um 10:41 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: On Thursday 06 March 2008 09:57:22 Mario Wewer wrote: Hello community, does anyone of you already have a Meizu MiniOne Phone? You mean it's *not* vapor ware but actually for sale? There was a note on the German online magazine Heise-online that the German tax and duties authorities have confiscated all Meizu MiniOne devices during CeBIT because of patent infringement issues: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/104558 And before you ask: yes, this is possible and legal. A company who has a patent in Europe can ask the tax authorities to confiscate infringing hardware as product piracy *when they are imported and enter the European Union*. In the case of CeBIT it is much simpler to wait until the manufacturer shows everything on their booth, than trying to find something in the baggage of the exhibitor's staff at the airports. The importer must then show proof that he has valid licenses and has paid any relevant fees. If he has or does not infringe patents, he can ask the original company who has done this for compensation (i.e. damage in image, loss of revenue and customers). The latter point shows that the patent owners must be quite sure what they do (or have enough money). But this all takes time and CeBIT has already closed its doors. The same has happened several times for MP3 players in previous years. Basically all this is a service that one gets by having a patent and paying the patent fees. He can ask taxduty authorities for help to protect against infringing imports. So my conclusion is: it is not vapor because these devices exist - but they can't be sold or imported legally into the EU. Nikolaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MiniOne
News from http://www.meizu-spain.es/ ** Noticias mundo MEIZU ** El móvil M8 Mini One, no estará a la venta hasta el tercer trimestre 2008. Translation: The movil phone M8 Mini One will not be aviable to buy until last tree months of 2008 Who will arrive first FreeRunner or M8? Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Thursday 06 March 2008 09:57:22 Mario Wewer wrote: Hello community, does anyone of you already have a Meizu MiniOne Phone? You mean it's *not* vapor ware but actually for sale? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community - Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! Disfruta de una bandeja de entrada más inteligente.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
In PDA shops you can buy a bicycle mount for PDA's. I hope it will be compatible with the Neo. Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, Please excuse my blatant blog-promotion, but here's a short entry on my use of the Neo1973 and tangoGPS as a bicycle computer: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080306 Cheers, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MiniOne
Am 06.03.2008 um 11:10 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 06.03.2008 um 10:41 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl: On Thursday 06 March 2008 09:57:22 Mario Wewer wrote: Hello community, does anyone of you already have a Meizu MiniOne Phone? You mean it's *not* vapor ware but actually for sale? There was a note on the German online magazine Heise-online that the German tax and duties authorities have confiscated all Meizu MiniOne devices during CeBIT because of patent infringement issues: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/104558 And before you ask: yes, this is possible and legal. A company who has a patent in Europe can ask the tax authorities to confiscate infringing hardware as product piracy *when they are imported and enter the European Union*. In the case of CeBIT it is much simpler to wait until the manufacturer shows everything on their booth, than trying to find something in the baggage of the exhibitor's staff at the airports. The importer must then show proof that he has valid licenses and has paid any relevant fees. If he has or does not infringe patents, he can ask the original company who has done this for compensation (i.e. damage in image, loss of revenue and customers). The latter point shows that the patent owners must be quite sure what they do (or have enough money). But this all takes time and CeBIT has already closed its doors. The same has happened several times for MP3 players in previous years. Basically all this is a service that one gets by having a patent and paying the patent fees. He can ask taxduty authorities for help to protect against infringing imports. So my conclusion is: it is not vapor because these devices exist - but they can't be sold or imported legally into the EU. There is an update to the article: it was NOT the MiniOne but an MP3 player. The MiniOne is back on CeBIT again. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
That was my original thought, but then I thought why not go with something a little more exotic? The CAD files are out there, all we need is for someone (I've suggested Hope) to CNC a new case for the Neo1973 out of a single block of aluminium that can be bolted to my bike. If they did it right, there'd be no worries about mud, water or damage, just a bullet proof, bespoke bicycle computer. It might not have mass market appeal, but there's plenty of people out there who see a bike costing £1000 as being cheap. They're the sort that would love a bicycle computer like this, no matter what it cost. On 06/03/2008, Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In PDA shops you can buy a bicycle mount for PDA's. I hope it will be compatible with the Neo. Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, Please excuse my blatant blog-promotion, but here's a short entry on my use of the Neo1973 and tangoGPS as a bicycle computer: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080306 Cheers, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
That was my original thought, but then I thought why not go with something a little more exotic? Why do people want metal cases so much...???Features in wiki hardware wishlist too. My thought is aluminium = metal = faraday cage = stops gps, gsm, wifi, bt signals = BAD idea JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was my original thought, but then I thought why not go with something a little more exotic? Why do people want metal cases so much...???Features in wiki hardware wishlist too. My thought is aluminium = metal = faraday cage = stops gps, gsm, wifi, bt signals = BAD idea I have a lock mount made of plastic and a small aluminum mount that fits into it (someone made that for me). I've used this to tie on a 'regular' GPS (Garmin 12) and a Bluetooth GPS 'mouse'. It'll probably hold the Neo^H^H^HFreerunner as well, seeing that the Garmin 12 weighs about a metric ton... I'll make and publish a picture. Christ van Willegen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
I'm thinking new case for the Neo, CNC'd from a block of aluminium, it could be just the back and sides, with a carbon fibre face plate with a waterproof, yet touch sensitive screen. Audio via bluetooth, ports protected by screw in aluminium plugs and the whole thing attached to my bike by being physically bolted to part of it. Why? Because I like my bikes and I find it very hard to go OTT with them. Aluminium and carbon fibre would look awesome bolted to the front of my bike 24 hours a day. The CAD files are out there, I just need to convince somebody to make it for me! Joseph On 06/03/2008, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, March 6, 2008 12:11 pm, Schmidt András wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, Please excuse my blatant blog-promotion, but here's a short entry on my use of the Neo1973 and tangoGPS as a bicycle computer: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080306 In PDA shops you can buy a bicycle mount for PDA's. I hope it will be compatible with the Neo. More of a problem is the fact that the Neo is not waterproof, and if you put it in a waterproof case, the touch screen can't be used. Perhaps it would be possible to attach a waterproof external keyboard via USB, and control the Neo using that. The keyboard cable would pass via a well sealed hole in a waterproof case. -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
On Thu, March 6, 2008 12:11 pm, Schmidt András wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, Please excuse my blatant blog-promotion, but here's a short entry on my use of the Neo1973 and tangoGPS as a bicycle computer: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080306 In PDA shops you can buy a bicycle mount for PDA's. I hope it will be compatible with the Neo. More of a problem is the fact that the Neo is not waterproof, and if you put it in a waterproof case, the touch screen can't be used. Perhaps it would be possible to attach a waterproof external keyboard via USB, and control the Neo using that. The keyboard cable would pass via a well sealed hole in a waterproof case. -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
As the Neo's screen is pressure based (not capacitive) it could be possible to be used through a thin plastic layer. There are PDA bags which cover the touch screen and it still remains functional. David Pottage wrote: On Thu, March 6, 2008 12:11 pm, Schmidt András wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, Please excuse my blatant blog-promotion, but here's a short entry on my use of the Neo1973 and tangoGPS as a bicycle computer: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080306 In PDA shops you can buy a bicycle mount for PDA's. I hope it will be compatible with the Neo. More of a problem is the fact that the Neo is not waterproof, and if you put it in a waterproof case, the touch screen can't be used. Perhaps it would be possible to attach a waterproof external keyboard via USB, and control the Neo using that. The keyboard cable would pass via a well sealed hole in a waterproof case. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.7 is out - lots of improvements
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 01:37 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Looking at the demos it seems to be a really good project, the support for the OSM maps is good, but what about integrating support for libgarmin to allow using also free and commercial garmin maps (of course, waiting OSM to grow)? I'll have a look into supporting garmin or other maps, but is for now not on the top of my todo list - unless there is plenty more request for this. And hey, don't *wait* for OSM to grow, but *do help* it grow ;-) Marcus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 14:11 +, David Pottage wrote: More of a problem is the fact that the Neo is not waterproof, and if you put it in a waterproof case, the touch screen can't be used. You would just need a decent sealing/joint around the touch screen. I don't think the touchscreen itself takes any harm from getting in contact with water. Actually a waterproof mobile phone case would have many more takers, not just cyclists - anybody with all weather outdoor activity would be happy and none of the other makers of smartphones provides one! Marcus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
On Thursday 06 March 2008, David Pottage wrote: On Thu, March 6, 2008 12:11 pm, Schmidt András wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, Please excuse my blatant blog-promotion, but here's a short entry on my use of the Neo1973 and tangoGPS as a bicycle computer: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080306 In PDA shops you can buy a bicycle mount for PDA's. I hope it will be compatible with the Neo. More of a problem is the fact that the Neo is not waterproof, and if you put it in a waterproof case, the touch screen can't be used. Perhaps it would be possible to attach a waterproof external keyboard via USB, and control the Neo using that. The keyboard cable would pass via a well sealed hole in a waterproof case. Depends on the case. I've used a Psion 5 in a ziploc bag strapped to the bars before. Touchscreen was fine. For a more robust commercial alternative try this: http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=42t_mode=des For something more rugged there are these: http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=1075t_mode=des http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=1077t_mode=des ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 15:27 +0100, Schmidt András wrote: As the Neo's screen is pressure based (not capacitive) it could be possible to be used through a thin plastic layer. There are PDA bags which cover the touch screen and it still remains functional I'd try to go for a joint: - |ooo -- silicone joint -- ooo| | =TS | | | |-case| (cut through the phone) Caveat: the joint may produce constant keypresses ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
Le Jeu 6 mars 2008 15:27, Schmidt András a écrit : As the Neo's screen is pressure based (not capacitive) it could be possible to be used through a thin plastic layer. There are PDA bags which cover the touch screen and it still remains functional. You will have to check if the heat dissipation is acceptable on a FreeRunner. Currently a Neo 1973 placed in a plastic bag becomes _hot_ . Gilles ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
On 06/03/2008, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking new case for the Neo, CNC'd from a block of aluminium, it could be just the back and sides, with a carbon fibre face plate with a waterproof, yet touch sensitive screen. Audio via bluetooth, ports Joseph Did you not see my previous post? Metal case = not a great idea Metal case = block to all radio signals (GSM, bt etc) Metal case for 5 sides = almost as bad and am sure will still have severe effect on radio freq tx/rx BTW i agree Neo + OSM cycle tracks + cycle computer is good fun and secure / waterproof is very important If you want to proceed then many precision eng companies can convert IGES to CNC I would estimate 2500 dollars as a single unit job if you can find the right guys JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.7 is out - lots of improvements
Marcus Bauer ha scritto: On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 01:37 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Looking at the demos it seems to be a really good project, the support for the OSM maps is good, but what about integrating support for libgarmin to allow using also free and commercial garmin maps (of course, waiting OSM to grow)? I'll have a look into supporting garmin or other maps, but is for now not on the top of my todo list - unless there is plenty more request for this. And hey, don't *wait* for OSM to grow, but *do help* it grow ;-) Well, yes... I'll be happy to help OSM too, but since GPS devices are born to help people to move, I think that it's important to have an useful application learning from it instead of making it to learn! :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.7 is out - lots of improvements
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll have a look into supporting garmin or other maps, but is for now not on the top of my todo list - unless there is plenty more request for this. And hey, don't *wait* for OSM to grow, but *do help* it grow ;-) +1 for libgarmin. I think OSM is a great idea and a great project, but I don't think I can map my entire country myself and there is very few mappings of where I live (some of it was done by me). Ivo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko chart plotter: lib for reading commercial nautical charts? [was: tangoGPS 0.7 is out - lots of improvements]
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 01:37 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Looking at the demos it seems to be a really good project, the support for the OSM maps is good, but what about integrating support for libgarmin to allow using also free and commercial garmin maps (of course, waiting OSM to grow)? Does anyone know if libgarmin (or any other open source lib for that matter) can read nautical charts (like the BlueChart series)? It would be very useful for me to be able to use the Freerunner as a chart plotter in our sailboat. /Erland ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Metal case [was: Application idea: Bicycle computer]
2008/3/6, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why do people want metal cases so much...???Features in wiki hardware wishlist too. My main reason for wanting a metal case is that it ages better than plastic. I carry my phone (currently a Sony Ericsson P910) in my pocket, and even though I try to keep it separate from keys, coins and other hard stuff, after a while the color gets worn off and it looks really ugly. I want my phones to last for a couple of years. My thought is aluminium = metal = faraday cage = stops gps, gsm, wifi, bt signals = BAD idea The back of the iPhone is mainly metal isn't it? Many attractive cell phones today have at least parts of their cases made of metal. Also, I read about someone (forgot where) trying to make a Faraday cage, but apparently it is quite difficult in practice. For an efficient cage you apparently need many meshes with holes in different sizes for different frequencies if I recall correctly. I guess this could be easily tested by putting a cell phone in a tin can and trying to call it... IMHO, after FIC successfully releases the Freerunner, they should either get some good designers to design a very attractive case for a next version, or maybe hold a contest among industrial design students to get some cool ideas. The Freerunner is great feature-wise, but IMHO isn't physically attractive enough to sell well in a mass market. By the way, when will the CAD files for the Freerunner case be released? Also, is anyone seriously working on alternative cases for the FIC Openmoko phones? /Erland ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
Am Do 6. März 2008 schrieb Marcus Bauer: I'd try to go for a joint: - |ooo -- silicone joint -- ooo| | =TS | | | |-case| (cut through the phone) Caveat: the joint may produce constant keypresses That's why this is clearly forbidden by app notes of touchscreen manufacturer - and therefore isn't done already j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carbon Fiber can also be conductive and can create a Faraday cage, so be careful! possibly getting an over-case and mounting it on the handlebars would work, ideas at: http://www.otterbox.com/ - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH0LqYTHCOtwancvwRAlVpAJ4vZxbBquQ9r2SuheeOvhDq4S3amQCfR0jt oxMPcUs++23TGYNhz7lBqQY= =YnED -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....
That On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 18:03 -0700, Shawn Rutledge wrote: They have no hope of preventing multi-touch itself from becoming the accepted mainstream, and then resistive touchscreens are probably going to be seen as obsolete. That is assuming that mainstream has an interesting in the technology aside from Oh cool. As fair as I have seen it, that is not the case. That doesn't mean that we can't look into it, it just means that standardization of multi-touch panels are years away. On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 16:42 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: I have thought a bit about multitouch and its possible usecases and the longer I think about it the less exciting I find it on a mobile phone. I will admit that most implementation of these panels are not completely thought through. iPhone/iPod Touch itself happens to waist many of it's functions. The technology per se is great and I'm sure it will allow for great innovation among UI's on large monitors, tablets, and even desks. There is no denying that, desks have been the most interesting. However, on small screen systems such as the Neo (or even the iPhone) -- what do you want to do with it? The ubiquitous zooming and rotating examples are not convincing me at all. With some clever state logic you can zoom and rotate very efficient on unitouch systems. So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone? Well, more to talk about. If anything, a few case studies over uses and possibilities are worth exploring. If is gets big enough, the wiki should be employed on keeping the data... That is assume that the MT path is the one that is chosen. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MiniOne
On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 09:57 +0100, Mario Wewer wrote: Hello community, does anyone of you already have a Meizu MiniOne Phone? No, still being developed. So - do you think it could be possible to run OpenMoko on this phone?! * ARM11 533MHZ Prozessor * 128MB DDR SDRAM Cache * EDGE, GSM und WCDMA * Windows Mobile 6.0 Betriebssystem * Video Decoder CODEC * 3,32″ TFT, VGA (720 x 480), 16 Millionen Farben Touchscreen * 3 Megapixel Kamera sowie 0,3 Megapixel VGA Kamera für Konferenzen (Autofocus, kein Blitz) * Bluetooth (mit GPS Zugang) , Line Out mit DMB Support, Wi-Fi mit Wireless Karte * 1600mAH Akku * Möglichkeit von 720 x 480 AVI, MPEG4, WMV Videos mit 30ftps In theory, it is possible. But I honestly don't see the drive to port Moko to the MiniOne, but what can be done. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open source / Open Standard CAD development?
The reason why I joined list is that I found the CAD files of the Neo1973 at the openmoko.com site. It is great that these files are available, even if they are in a proprietary data format (the ProE, not the STEP one), and very likely developed using a proprietary CAD application. Developed with Pro/E if they are Pro/E files. Personally, I have a software development company, in which I have been developing tailored software for my clients, mostly with open source technologies, and sometimes with, at least well known, closed source techs like .NET . Therefore, it was a shockening moment when I during 2007 did a consultancy project for an industrial company producing water taps. It meant going back at least ten years in time, back into proprietary hell! Proprietary systems (including proprietary interfaces between systems) and proprietary data. CAD was done with proprietary software, often with more than one CAD system, resulting in incompatible, binary-only data. Having come from inside that industry, I have to agree. A very big mess. So my questions for the OpenMoko community are: * Does there exist any usable open source CAD systems? (Is perhaps Open CASCAE a viable semi-open http://www.opencascade.org/ option?) Open CASCADE may be an option for a kernel. I do not know much about it, except it has been used for numerical finite analysis more than modeling. It could probably do the work, but perhaps a bit slowly? CAD is a very complex subject. There are many different solutions for mechanical design, but only 3-4 for parametric controlled modeling engines, and they are all high-dollar proprietary software packages with extremely rigid licenses. To date, I know of no OSS projects to try to create a parametric modeling engine. The original and on-going development of the 3D parametric modeling engines (such as ACIS or Parasolid) has taken many, many millions of dollars, so is a major OSS undertaking, perhaps similar to the Linux kernel. Blender has a sort of add-on parametric plugin, but it is quite limited. Alibre Design Xpress is free, but proprietary. * Is it possible to use a human readable format for CAD data? (Is perhaps STEP enough for development, or just a format for interchange between different CAD applications?) STEP is a good, complete standard format that I believe all major packages support well. If I were going to create an OSS 3D modeler with human readable format, STEP is a good way to go. IGES is/can be a human readable format, but you lose the parametrics with IGES. The format was design to drive CNC machines, so is more about the model exterior than anything else. It's original design was based on punch-cards, so is very heard to read by humans directly. There are xml formats, too, but none are really very standardized. And the most important question: * Is the OpenMoko community interested in using open source tools (possibly together with a human readable format) for developing non-software parts? I think this product has primarily attracted software engineering types. We should get the word out to non-software people and increase the audience for that question. --Mark Arvidson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
Andy writes: Carbon Fiber can also be conductive and can create a Faraday cage, so be careful! I'm actually trying to remember if I've ever seen transparent carbon fiber... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...
Lorn Potter wrote: On Monday 03 March 2008, Karsten Ensinger wrote: [...] Survey (after half an hour of testing and three complete screen lockups): I don't want to put down the implementation of the Qtopia keyboard at all. I have much respect for the quality one can see. But to me it seems as if the keyboard was not designed for finger use in first place. A hit rate of 90 percent (when using an adult fingertip) is barely acceptable. Actually it was. You only have to come close to a letter to select one. It tries to guess what word you are wanting, as well as looking at the letters in the general area of your finger pressing. If you do not like the predictive feature, then you can hold down on a letter to select only that one. The usage is not yet intuitive (how to do a backspace, a delete, use upper case letters, use special characters (like @,$,,/)?) move your finger up or down to get to get to caps, numbers and symbols. backspace is moving your finger from right to left. and due to the look alike of a regular hardware keyboard and the expectations caused by this, the frustration is high, when one can not handle simple things without looking for help (is there a helpfile for the keyboard input? I only found help for the application itself but not for the usage of the keyboard). There should be yes. But looking at the input method help from the menu I am not seeing it. I will look into this and make sure it gets fixed. Maybe you should think about a small question mark somewhere on the edges of the keyboard, so one can press it to get help on the input methods. [...] Maybe I am too biased, but most of the critics we discussed months ago became manifest in this implementation of a screen keyboard. It is smart, but needs tricks to handle the problems of imprecise finger touches, lack of screen space for great numbers of keys and fault tolerance. This leads to a learning curve one has to master before being able to use the keyboard as such. A qwerty keyboard also has a learning curve at first. Ever tried graffiti input? Today, nearly everyone has some small experiences with qwerty keyboards. So this learning curve is not an issue here. It is more the opposite, due to the differences (advantages?) in handling. Unfortunately one has to use tricks (finger movements) instead of keys (like shift, ctrl or alt) to get to additional characters in Qtopia and this contradicts to the usage of a regular qwerty keyboard. I do NOT want to say that this is bad at all, but you have to get the user an extremely easy way to get help on your tricks to prevent frustration at the first usage (this is based on my own experience with Qtopia, where I had no assistance by others, but was left by my own. It was EXTREMELY frustrating to feel like a complete fool due to not being able to delete a typed character or to switch to another layer of characters, even though I do have used computers for more than 25 years (but maybe this 25 years also were the cause :-) )). Maybe you should think about the suggestion to place a help key on the keyboard itself. At least, every first time user will be very thankful. And yes, I do have used graffiti input. I used a Palm for several years and it took me some weeks to switch from the regular keyboard to the graffiti input. If the user has to master a learning curve anyway, why not take a completely different approach, which is designed exactly for the problems first and foremost? If the approach is different enough, the user will accept/expect a learning curve (and will tolerate it, if it is not too steep). Knowing four things for the predictive keyboard in Qtopia will get you going. 1) tap on the letters like normal, a word, or words will appear, you have to tap on the word to enter that in whatever text you are inputting. 2) slide your finger up and down to switch caps, undercase, numbers and symbols. 3) slider your finger right to left to backspace 4) to select a letter without the word prediction, hold down your finger over a letter. You can even rotate your finger to select letters around it if it detected the wrong one. Is that a too high learning curve? No it is not. But one has to be able to get this information on a fingertip and not by searching a help database or asking at a user forum. :-) Using only a finger, the predictive keyboard cannot be beat. Qtopia also has handwriting and a 'normal' qwerty keyboard with the use of a stylus. Someone has also gotten dasher running. Although I DO think that the predictive keyboard can be beat in terms of intuitivity (does this word exist?), I will give it another try in terms of usability. So I will give Qtopia another try and do revise my report/opinion if necessary. Regards Karsten ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.7 is out - lots of improvements
Ivo Anjo ha scritto: I don't think I can map my entire country myself and there is very few mappings of where I live (some of it was done by me). Don't be too pessimistic: in Italy we're having great results, essentially in the last year (and OSM is proving a powervul catalyser for freeing public data). pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
