Re:NXP free their PMU user manual/datasheet for OM community

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Fantastic!  This is really great news.

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Re: NXP free their PMU user manual/datasheet for OM community, ambient light

[joerg]

Great news!
Now it seems simple to add a photodiode and a capacitor to have ambient light 
controlled backlight. :-)
Only someone of OM has to disclose which testpoint is connected to 50633, 
pin32(LEDAMB)

jOERG

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Re: Audio wired Headset

[clare]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, ian douglas wrote:


Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
I simply agree... JTAG for example, could be needed for standard users only 
after bricking the device, and new/extra batteries will be needed soon!



Any other ideas?


Yes Please a battery charger which can deal with the neo and charge its 
battery; itself powered by AA cell or similar, can be carried with the 
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NXP free their PMU user manual/datasheet for OM community

[Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)]

Dear Community:

OM just get NXP release their PCF50633 datasheet and user manual to OM 
community. You could now download full PCF50633 user manual with 
detailed register setting from following link:


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware

I think this is really great for people who really interested in 
embedded power management system.


Thanks for NXP free their document ;)


Dear Tony

We have carefully reconsidered how to best serve the OpenMoko community 
in supporting our PCF50633 product, and our decision has been to allow 
you to publish the full User Manual on the OpenMoko website. This is 
more effective for the development community then having to reference to 
2 documents, being the DS already sent to you and the addendum 
containing the register description. We therefore prefer that the full 
UM get's published. The Company Confidential notice has been removed.
We hope to see the successful application of our device and hope to see 
many OpenMoko products in the market, using our PCF50633.

(See attached file: PCF50633UM_6.pdf)
Best regards,
Jan

Jan EnderinkInternational Product Marketing Manager
NXP Semiconductors
PL Portable Power Solutions
Phone: +31-24353-2771
Mobile: +31-651551042   Fax: +31-24353-3613
Internet: http://www.nxp.com
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Re: Re: Open source / Open Standard CAD development?

[Mats Eriksson]

First of all, thanks guys for interesting replies to my original post!

I really think by attracting more non-software to the OpenMoko project 
(and also to projects like OScar) could be the trigger for creating 
non-software developing communities. Many engineers are pretty tired of 
dealing with the messy CAx/"PxM" situation, and could probably sacrifice 
a high salary (like software developers started to do in the beginning 
of the 90's. It would probably take lots of resources (the resemblance 
with developing the Linux kernel is probably pretty accurate), but if 
just a small fraction of the amount spent on proprietary CAx/PxM systems 
could be spent on open source / open standard development, I think it 
could be possible!



Michael Shiloh wrote:
I just returned from ETech, the emerging technology conference, and 
some of us discussed this problem. (In fact, the conversation started 
because of the Openmoko release of Freerunner CAD files.) All 
programming languages have a common source code form: ascii text. In 
contrast, there is no such standard for mechanical drawings or 
schematic drawings.


What about STEP? It would be very good if CAD data could be human 
readable, and thus being able to use version control systems like 
Subversion and Git in a similar way to source code.
Similarly, there is no single standard for image data. There are a 
multitude: JPEG, TIFF, BMP, etc. but this is not as bad a problem 
because tools exist to convert from almost any format to any other 
format.


But the big difference between these image data and CAD data is that the 
specifications are open for the image data, but not for the CAD data. 
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Since it's unlikely nor desirable that a single standard will emerge 
for mechanical or schematic capture, we came up with the idea of 
putting out a call to the open source community to develop tools to 
convert from from one format to another.


Some of this exists already, for example in Blender's ability to 
import from a number of different file formats. But we would like to 
see a project dedicated to creating a collection of tools to do this.



Could "CAx functionality" be built on top of Blender?

Comments?

Mark Arvidson wrote:

The reason why I joined list is that I found the CAD files of the
Neo1973 at the openmoko.com  site. It is great
that these files are
available, even if they are in a proprietary data format (the 
ProE, not

the STEP one), and very likely developed using a proprietary CAD
application.


Developed with Pro/E if they are Pro/E files.
 



Personally, I have a software development company, in which I have
been developing tailored software for my clients, mostly with open
source technologies, and sometimes with, at least well known, closed
source techs like .NET . Therefore, it was a shockening moment 
when I

during 2007 did a consultancy project for an industrial company
producing water taps. It meant going back at least ten years in 
time,
back into proprietary hell! Proprietary systems (including 
proprietary

interfaces between systems) and proprietary data. CAD was done with
proprietary software, often with more than one CAD system, 
resulting in

incompatible, binary-only data.


Having come from inside that industry, I have to agree.  A very big 
mess.
 



So my questions for the OpenMoko community are:

* Does there exist any "usable" open source CAD systems? (Is perhaps
Open CASCAE a viable semi-open http://www.opencascade.org/ option?)


Open CASCADE may be an option for a kernel.  I do not know much about 
it, except it has been used for numerical finite analysis more than 
modeling.  It could probably do the work, but perhaps a bit slowly?


CAD is a very complex subject.  There are many different solutions 
for mechanical design, but only 3-4 for parametric controlled 
modeling engines, and they are all high-dollar proprietary software 
packages with extremely rigid licenses.  To date, I know of no OSS 
projects to try to create a parametric modeling engine.  The original 
and on-going development of the 3D parametric modeling engines (such 
as ACIS or Parasolid) has taken many, many millions of dollars, so is 
a major OSS undertaking, perhaps similar to the Linux kernel.
Blender has a sort of add-on parametric plugin, but it is quite 
limited.  Alibre Design Xpress is free, but proprietary.



* Is it possible to use a human readable format for CAD data? (Is
perhaps STEP enough for development, or just a format for 
interchange

between different CAD applications?)


STEP is a good, complete standard format that I believe all major 
packages support well.  If I were going to create an OSS 3D modeler 
with human readable format, STEP is a good way to go.
IGES is/can be a human readable format, but you lose the parametrics 
with IGES.  The format was design to drive CNC machines, so is m

Re: Openmoko release

[Ian Darwin]

Michael Schmidt wrote:

Hi

we need a release of Neo or any other mobile open phone (hardware 
setting) now

otherwise the market will overrun the hardware


Thanks, but I hope that isn't intended to be some kind of great new 
insight :-)


I can assure you that people inside and outside the company are very 
aware of this problem and are working very hard to get the release out 
ASAP, but they also have quality control standards that are higher than 
most commercial organizations, eg., they won't ship stuff that is broken.


This is all covered in the Wiki and the mailing lists, btw.

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Openmoko release

[Michael Schmidt]

Hi

we need a release of Neo or any other mobil open phone (hardware setting)
now
otherwise the market will overrun the hardware

today we have all this in a good mobil
- navigation for free (only O2 Xda orbit 2 )
- 5 MP Camera (with navigation only nokia n95)
- DVB-T (3 mobiles have that, Samsung, LG and gigabyte T600)
- 2 SIM Cards (3-4 mobiles have that)

Neo has nothing of that?  So when is the release?

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RIP Joseph Weizenbaum

[Wolfgang Spraul]

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/104672

Was always good to read his latest 'angry thoughts', and I'm sure many  
people in the Free Software scene in Germany will miss him.


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I think the computer has from the beginning been a fundamentally  
conservative force. It has made possible the saving of institutions  
pretty much as they were, which otherwise might have had to be  
changed. For example, banking. Superficially, it looks as if banking  
has been revolutionized by the computer. But only very superficially.  
Consider that, say 20, 25 years ago, the banks were faced with the  
fact that the population was growing at a very rapid rate, many more  
checks would be written than before, and so on. Their response was to  
bring in the computer. By the way, I helped design the first computer  
banking system in the United States, for the Bank of America 25 years  
ago.
Now if it had not been for the computer, if the computer had not been  
invented, what would the banks have had to do? They might have had to  
decentralize, or they might have had to regionalize in some way. In  
other words, it might have been necessary to introduce a social  
invention, as opposed to the technical invention.
What the coming of the computer did, "just in time," was to make it  
unnecessary to create social inventions, to change the system in any  
way. So in that sense, the computer has acted as fundamentally a  
conservative force, a force which kept power or even solidified power  
where is already existed.

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Re: Similarity of GTA01 and GTA02 cases

[Michael Shiloh]

See http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ for CAD files, but you'll need 
ProE to open the Freerunner files. 1973 available in ProE, IGES, and STEP.


I hope to find someone to convert those ProE files to other formats.

Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote:

Sorry, to respond to myself, but I just remembered something.
I've heard the GTA01 and GTA02 have similar cases, but it hasn't been 
confirmed if they are identical.
Actually Michael did confirm they're not identical, but the nature of 
the differences are currently unknown.  I'll wait until these are known, 
because I will only have a GTA02 (or 2).


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Re: GTA02 schematics

[Jeremiah Flerchinger]

Thanks, I wasn't aware the Freerunner files had also been posted.  Now 
we just need some people with Pro/E to do some conversions.


Daniel Willmann wrote:

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:56:56 -0700
Jeremiah Flerchinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Sorry, to respond to myself, but I just remembered something.


I've heard the GTA01 and GTA02 have similar cases, but it hasn't
been confirmed if they are identical.
  
Actually Michael did confirm they're not identical, but the nature of 
the differences are currently unknown.  I'll wait until these are

known, because I will only have a GTA02 (or 2).



Well, anyone with access to Pro/E can now check:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/

Regards,
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GTA02 schematics (was: Re: Similarity of GTA01 and GTA02 cases)

[Daniel Willmann]

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:56:56 -0700
Jeremiah Flerchinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry, to respond to myself, but I just remembered something.
> > I've heard the GTA01 and GTA02 have similar cases, but it hasn't
> > been confirmed if they are identical.
> Actually Michael did confirm they're not identical, but the nature of 
> the differences are currently unknown.  I'll wait until these are
> known, because I will only have a GTA02 (or 2).

Well, anyone with access to Pro/E can now check:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/

Regards,
Daniel Willmann


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GTA02 schematics (was: Re: Similarity of GTA01 and GTA02 cases)

[Daniel Willmann]

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:56:56 -0700
Jeremiah Flerchinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry, to respond to myself, but I just remembered something.
> > I've heard the GTA01 and GTA02 have similar cases, but it hasn't
> > been confirmed if they are identical.
> Actually Michael did confirm they're not identical, but the nature of 
> the differences are currently unknown.  I'll wait until these are
> known, because I will only have a GTA02 (or 2).

Well, anyone with access to Pro/E can now check:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/

Regards,
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Re: Metal case [was: Application idea: Bicycle computer]

[JW]

On 07/03/2008, Jeremiah Flerchinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've heard the GTA01 and GTA02 have similar cases, but it hasn't been
>  confirmed if they are identical.

my understanding (from mail list prev and IRC) is that there are
(small) differences to internal case dimensions between GTA01 and
GTA02. This is because we have different components inside (Wifi
antenna? etc)

JW

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Re: Similarity of GTA01 and GTA02 cases

[Jeremiah Flerchinger]

Sorry, to respond to myself, but I just remembered something.
I've heard the GTA01 and GTA02 have similar cases, but it hasn't been 
confirmed if they are identical.
Actually Michael did confirm they're not identical, but the nature of 
the differences are currently unknown.  I'll wait until these are known, 
because I will only have a GTA02 (or 2).


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Re: Metal case [was: Application idea: Bicycle computer]

[Jeremiah Flerchinger]

By the way, when will the CAD files for the Freerunner case be 
released? Also, is anyone seriously working on alternative cases for 
the FIC Openmoko phones?
I've heard the GTA01 and GTA02 have similar cases, but it hasn't been 
confirmed if they are identical.  I'm going to wait for word on this 
before I make anything (or just wait until I get a GTA02).  I'd like to 
make initial prototypes with molds & casts made from a GTA02 to try out 
shapes before doing anything in CAD that could be machined.


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Re: Open source / Open Standard CAD development?

[Michael Shiloh]

I just returned from ETech, the emerging technology conference, and some 
of us discussed this problem. (In fact, the conversation started because 
of the Openmoko release of Freerunner CAD files.) All programming 
languages have a common source code form: ascii text. In contrast, there 
is no such standard for mechanical drawings or schematic drawings.


Similarly, there is no single standard for image data. There are a 
multitude: JPEG, TIFF, BMP, etc. but this is not as bad a problem 
because tools exist to convert from almost any format to any other format.


Since it's unlikely nor desirable that a single standard will emerge for 
mechanical or schematic capture, we came up with the idea of putting out 
a call to the open source community to develop tools to convert from 
from one format to another.


Some of this exists already, for example in Blender's ability to import 
from a number of different file formats. But we would like to see a 
project dedicated to creating a collection of tools to do this.


Comments?

Mark Arvidson wrote:

The reason why I joined list is that I found the CAD files of the
Neo1973 at the openmoko.com  site. It is great
that these files are
available, even if they are in a proprietary data format (the ProE, not
the STEP one), and very likely developed using a proprietary CAD
application.


Developed with Pro/E if they are Pro/E files.
 



Personally, I have a software development company, in which I have
been developing tailored software for my clients, mostly with open
source technologies, and sometimes with, at least well known, closed
source techs like .NET . Therefore, it was a shockening moment when I
during 2007 did a consultancy project for an industrial company
producing water taps. It meant going back at least ten years in time,
back into proprietary hell! Proprietary systems (including proprietary
interfaces between systems) and proprietary data. CAD was done with
proprietary software, often with more than one CAD system, resulting in
incompatible, binary-only data.


Having come from inside that industry, I have to agree.  A very big mess.
 



So my questions for the OpenMoko community are:

* Does there exist any "usable" open source CAD systems? (Is perhaps
Open CASCAE a viable semi-open http://www.opencascade.org/ option?)


Open CASCADE may be an option for a kernel.  I do not know much about 
it, except it has been used for numerical finite analysis more than 
modeling.  It could probably do the work, but perhaps a bit slowly?


CAD is a very complex subject.  There are many different solutions for 
mechanical design, but only 3-4 for parametric controlled modeling 
engines, and they are all high-dollar proprietary software packages with 
extremely rigid licenses.  To date, I know of no OSS projects to try to 
create a parametric modeling engine.  The original and on-going 
development of the 3D parametric modeling engines (such as ACIS or 
Parasolid) has taken many, many millions of dollars, so is a major OSS 
undertaking, perhaps similar to the Linux kernel. 

Blender has a sort of add-on parametric plugin, but it is quite 
limited.  Alibre Design Xpress is free, but proprietary.



* Is it possible to use a human readable format for CAD data? (Is
perhaps STEP enough for development, or just a format for interchange
between different CAD applications?)


STEP is a good, complete standard format that I believe all major 
packages support well.  If I were going to create an OSS 3D modeler with 
human readable format, STEP is a good way to go. 

IGES is/can be a human readable format, but you lose the parametrics 
with IGES.  The format was design to drive CNC machines, so is more 
about the model exterior than anything else.  It's original design was 
based on punch-cards, so is very heard to read by humans directly.


There are xml formats, too, but none are really very standardized.
 



And the most important question:

* Is the OpenMoko community interested in  using open source tools
(possibly together with a human readable format) for developing
"non-software" parts?


I think this product has primarily attracted software engineering 
types.  We should get the word out to non-software people and increase 
the audience for that question.


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Re: MiniOne

[Florian Boor]

Hi,

Mario Wewer schrieb:
> It is really cheap (when the given prices are the right ones) Only GPS is
> missing... And maybe UMTS... Prices: ca. $195/~149€ (4GB ohne Kamera),
> $310/~237€ (4GB mit Kamera),$285/~217€ (8GB ohne Kamera) und $400/~305€ (8GB
> mit Kamera)

the hardware description looks really good - especially for this price.
In fact it should be easy to port Linux to it, but this is a lot of effort and
if you don't get the specs it usually takes longer than the lifetime of a 
product.
Adapting the GUI should not be much of a challenge once Linux works.
So if you have a group of people with kernel experience this idea might work,
but if not you can forget about it.

Greetings

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Re: Using Qemu for GTA02

[Jens Fursund]

Same problem here :(

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello
>
> I have no idea about the GTA02 instructions for Qemu, but this morning I
> saw that the GTA01 for Qemu stopped to run.
> This morning there was a commit by andrew :)
>
> after make clean && ./configure.sh && make &&  openmoko/flash.sh I got
> this error:
>
> qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x
>
> Someone had the same issue?
>
> Thank to all, and compliment to the mailing list
>
> 2008/3/6, François TOURDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've not found in the Wiki how to run GTA02 and associated OM images
> > on a qemu.
> >
> > Is it possible?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any link/idea.
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RE: Using Qemu for GTA02

[David Samblas Martinez]

I'm interested too,
seems that there is some work done
http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/README?rev=3614&view=markup
to simulate the wifi , but I don't see anything on
accelerometers simulation.

More detailed information will be apreciated

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> 
> I've not found in the Wiki how to run GTA02 and
> associated OM images
> on a qemu.
> 
> Is it possible?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any link/idea.
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Re: Using Qemu for GTA02

[Michele Renda]

Hello

I have no idea about the GTA02 instructions for Qemu, but this morning I saw
that the GTA01 for Qemu stopped to run.
This morning there was a commit by andrew :)

after make clean && ./configure.sh && make &&  openmoko/flash.sh I got this
error:

qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x

Someone had the same issue?

Thank to all, and compliment to the mailing list

2008/3/6, François TOURDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've not found in the Wiki how to run GTA02 and associated OM images
> on a qemu.
>
> Is it possible?
>
> Thanks in advance for any link/idea.
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