Re: USB oscilloscope

2008-05-05 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not my cup of tea, but maybe someone else on this list cares?

  http://www.hobbylab.us/default.aspx

  It's a usb Oscilliscope, $170.  I sent an email asking about getting

Sample rate up to 200KHz for the scope (8MHz for logic analyzer).  USB
scopes always seem to be lousy that way.  If they'd just put a lot of
memory onboard and use the USB for viewing rather than real-time
recording, it could be a lot better.

  specs for a port.  It'd make a cool little field tool for those who
  worry about such things.

  While I have the hardware people's attention, what uses does the debug
  board have?  I figure it'll test pin connections, etc., but is there
  any use for it for those who don't plan to directly modify the board?
  I might add something onto the I2C bus later, but that's a separate
  device.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2

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Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-05 Thread BrendaWang

Dear Steve:
I notice that you edited the Main page of wiki.
The wording is better then me. I like it.
Thank you for doing this.
But I don't understand why you took off the sentence  below Join 
Openmoko development?

And development  board--QT2410?
Can you tell me why?

Actually , I know that our main page is too long. I would like to make 
whole wiki site become  short and organized.

But technically , I can't solve that problem in a very short time.
I just used the Google Analytic to find out the most popular page , then 
I use the box, put the link all together.
Use the aggressive color and put the categories page on side bar, to 
make pages easy to find.
I also use the Google Analytic to find out the most popular browser, use 
the right tag, make sure most of them can use wiki more easily.

I got a lot of feedback here.

And now ,  Gismo is helping us to upgrade our wiki system.
After wiki system had been upgraded , I would start to work on server site.
For example , I would like to change the wiki skin. And page structure.
I think I would need technical support. And I will ask anyone who can 
help me.

Anyway, the real meaning of Wiki is collaboration.
Thank for you help , and hope you can understand what I am doing now.

Brenda



And I like it. :-)

steve ??:

 It's getting there.
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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:15 PM

To: steve
Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki

On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:13:06 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

indeed - it's not bad. no complaints. just observation. :) we all have got
lots
of things to do... :)

  

Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the
Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I


told
  

wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course
make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster )
but for now, I will let it rest, as I have other matters to attend to.
The current structure is rhapsodic and so is not easily maintained,
especially as new products come out. So, I'll share some thoughts later.

Laconically yours,
Steve

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To: List for Openmoko community discussion
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Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki

On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a
while. :)



In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I
  

will
  

probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from
  

the
  

.com.

PS, Raster is right.


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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki

Am Fr  2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
  
On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


babbled:
  

I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes


the
  

initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a


native
  

language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English


intuition.
  
It 
is
  

a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not

so 
  

perfect
  

chinese? :)

Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to


speak


a
  

foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the


language
  

is


of
  

a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian

languages). 
The
  
fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign 


language,
  
is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as 


supportive as
  

possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the


de-facto
  

one
  
for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by 


natives.
  

If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap

my 
  

hands
  

for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good


job
  
of 
it!
  

???!

:)


ACK!
The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before.
Thanks Brenda! :-)

/jOERG



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Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Tomas Gustavsson
I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu
(the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the
top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem?

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OpenMoko GTA02 status

2008-05-05 Thread Bogdan Bivolaru
Hello,

What's the status with OpenMoko GTA02?
Is it in production? When will it be launched? When we will be able to buy
one?
Any other schedules available to the public?

Cheers
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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Marco Crociani - Tyrael
I have the same problem with the same configutarion.

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu
 (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the
 top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem?

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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread James Olney
I have this problem as well. my screen res is only 1024x768

2008/5/5 Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu
  (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the
  top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem?

  /Tomas tomplast

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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Sebastian Hammerl

i have the same problem, but with opera

James Olney schrieb:

I have this problem as well. my screen res is only 1024x768

2008/5/5 Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  

I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu
 (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the
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Re: OpenMoko GTA02 status

2008-05-05 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 01:42:35PM +0300, Bogdan Bivolaru wrote:
 What's the status with OpenMoko GTA02?
 Is it in production? When will it be launched? When we will be able to buy
 one?
 Any other schedules available to the public?

   Steve gave an update on these very questions a mere 9 hours before
you asked it, to this very mailing list.

   Hugo.

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Re: OpenMoko GTA02 status

2008-05-05 Thread Adilson Oliveira
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Bogdan Bivolaru escreveu:
 Hello,
 
 What's the status with OpenMoko GTA02?
 Is it in production? When will it be launched? When we will be able to
 buy one?
 Any other schedules available to the public?
 

Hi.

There was an email yesterday from Steve talking about it. Check the
archives, please.

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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread MartinG
On 5/5/08, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu
  (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the
  top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem?

Same goes for the Opera browser [1] - the menu comes after the rest of
the text, down to the right. I think it has been like this for a long
time, and for many versions of opera (9.x). I now use 9.50 Beta 2, and
the problem persists.

I think the problem was there also when the wiki was bug free (see
validator.w3.org).

best,
MartinG


[1] http://www.opera.com

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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 5/5/08, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu
   (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the
   top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem?

 Same goes for the Opera browser [1] - the menu comes after the rest of
 the text, down to the right. I think it has been like this for a long
 time, and for many versions of opera (9.x). I now use 9.50 Beta 2, and
 the problem persists.

 I think the problem was there also when the wiki was bug free (see
 validator.w3.org).

 best,
 MartinG


 [1] http://www.opera.com


hmm :)

I use swiftfox in 3 series since month and I was believing it was normal :)

Looking it  with iceweasel 2* show me the menu on top effectively


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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh

Florian Rebstock wrote:

Hello,

what i ever want to know:
could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA
Display or Beamer ?
Because that would be pretty useful for small presentations or so...

Florian
  
Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there are 
no cables connecting the device to the projector during the presentation.


So you hold the phone in your hands while you talk, and walk around on 
stage freely, but the overhead still shows what you are doing.


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RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Crane, Matthew

Thank you for not opening the shop before there is something to sell.
This is getting way too common of practice at various electronics
websites. 

Matt 

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Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the
disty
ready to ship before I opened the web shop.


 






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Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
 I will update the production status over the weekend!

Hi,

the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D

greetings from Europe,

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there are no
 cables connecting the device to the projector during the presentation.

  So you hold the phone in your hands while you talk, and walk around on
 stage freely, but the overhead still shows what you are doing.

...and make it so that the tilt of the device is echoed to the
overhead projection as well! :-)

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Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano

Hey where is the Group Sales page??

I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not 
to be there anymore.


Thanks!

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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Steven Milburn
Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread

Someone (read: not me.  I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb
connector sticking out along the side.  Then, the stylus could plug into the
usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone.


On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small,
 cheap,  I like how they fit into the casing of the DS.  I would try to
 use the FreeRunner CAD data
 ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to
 make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E
 files.  As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project.

 On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote:
  Shawn Rutledge wrote:
   On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the
 voltage/current
produced from such a magnet would be negligible.  But, even assuming
that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic?  Is
  
  
   Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a
   small, really strong neodymium magnet.  Then use a thin steel stylus
   (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has
   the magnet.  It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it
   had a slightly concave shape.  Or mod the case to have a shallow
   groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a
   thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested.  Since the magnet
   doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it
   might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go
   off in a curve instead.  Not sure if that would affect anything...)
  
  
  
 
  Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has
  a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my
  motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create
  large additional costs.
 
  Check it out:
  http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/
 
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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Dirk Deimeke

Hi,

 I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not 
 to be there anymore.

searching for group in the wiki shows
http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Group_Order

Dirk


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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Dirk Deimeke

Hi,

 Someone (read: not me.  I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb
 connector sticking out along the side.  Then, the stylus could plug
 into the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone.

really a cool idea.

Respect!

Dirk


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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Steven **
But for me, that link is 404 Not Found.  The wiki seems to be down.
Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded.
I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it.

-Steven

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,


   I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not
   to be there anymore.

  searching for group in the wiki shows
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Group_Order

  Dirk




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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread David Samblas Martinez
The http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/GroupSales
seems to be up again
--- Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 
 Hi,
 
  I've tried to access it with the link in my
 bookmark but it seems to not 
  to be there anymore.
 
 searching for group in the wiki shows
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Group_Order
 
 Dirk
 
 
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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 05 May 2008 15:37:17 David Samblas Martinez wrote:
 Hey I like it too!!
 It can act as dirty protection for the usb connector.

Or it could yank it right out of the case if you're not careful...


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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano

Steven ** ha scritto:

But for me, that link is 404 Not Found.  The wiki seems to be down.
Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded.
I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it.

-Steven



Thank you, i didn't see that post.


On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,


  I've tried to access it with the link in my bookmark but it seems to not
  to be there anymore.

 searching for group in the wiki shows
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Group_Order

 Dirk




This is not the page that i was looking for, but this made me notice 
something:
The jesc company is selling the neos or it sould be, but the page is a 
lot outdated, and i can't contact them because a 500 error occur, so if 
there is someone here that work for them just update the page with the 
new specs, and i'd like to get some answers to some questions.


Thank you!

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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Dirk Deimeke

Hi,

 But for me, that link is 404 Not Found.  The wiki seems to be down.
 Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded.
 I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it.

I was do to make a search and to find the link ... so upgrading should be
finished, shouldn't it?

Dirk


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RE: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Crane, Matthew
Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop.  But how tightly can something 
like that be locked to the side of the phone?  A usb connector by itself is 
probally not suffecient no?
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Milburn
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation


Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread

Someone (read: not me.  I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector 
sticking out along the side.  Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and 
be held tight against the side of the phone.



On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small,
cheap,  I like how they fit into the casing of the DS.  I would try to
use the FreeRunner CAD data
( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to
make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E
files.  As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project.


On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote:
 Shawn Rutledge wrote:
  On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the 
voltage/current
   produced from such a magnet would be negligible.  But, even 
assuming
   that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic?  Is
 
 
  Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to 
stash a
  small, really strong neodymium magnet.  Then use a thin steel stylus
  (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface 
has
  the magnet.  It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it
  had a slightly concave shape.  Or mod the case to have a shallow
  groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a
  thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested.  Since the 
magnet
  doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it
  might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to 
go
  off in a curve instead.  Not sure if that would affect anything...)
 
 
 

 Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it 
has
 a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my
 motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create
 large additional costs.

 Check it out:
 http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/

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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Ryan Prior
The page is still giving a 404 to me.

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi,

  But for me, that link is 404 Not Found.  The wiki seems to be down.
  Brenda mentioned in another thread that the wiki was being upgraded.
  I'm guessing that is in process and is the reason I can't access it.

 I was do to make a search and to find the link ... so upgrading should be
 finished, shouldn't it?

 Dirk


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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread David Samblas Martinez
 XD I have not think about it Grabriel , you are right
if it is a starndard mini usb metal conector. 
But if instead of we use a some rubbish,flexible fake
conector(I have  this kind of material protecting some
connectors of my camera and my phone) the yank
danger can be avoided.  
--- Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 On Monday 05 May 2008 15:37:17 David Samblas
 Martinez wrote:
  Hey I like it too!!
  It can act as dirty protection for the usb
 connector.
 
 Or it could yank it right out of the case if you're
 not careful...
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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Dirk Deimeke

Hi,

 still giving a 404 to me.

can you see the main page http://wiki.openmoko.org/ without error?

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Wiki is down

2008-05-05 Thread Steven **
Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki.
http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found)
http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi

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Re: Wiki is down

2008-05-05 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Steven ** 
[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki.
 http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found)
 http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to
 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi

 -Steven


Ok to me but CSS broken in mediawiki



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Re: Wiki is down

2008-05-05 Thread Kosa

Don't know if someone fixed it but right now it is working fine for me.

Eventhough we might try to set up a mirror.

Did it went down becouse of Steve's good news about mass production 
status? :D


Have a nice week.

Kosa

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Steven ** escribió:

Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki.
http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found)
http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi

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Re: Wiki is down

2008-05-05 Thread Dirk Deimeke

Hi,

 Ok to me but CSS broken in mediawiki 

I had the same problems but now everything seems to be ok again.

Dirk


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Re: Wiki is down

2008-05-05 Thread Joachim Steiger
Steven ** wrote:
 Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki.
 http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found)
 http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to
 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi

hi steven.

sorry for any inconvenience.

we did a major mediawiki version update today in combination to some
server restructuring and it seems some dns servers are still not in
sync. unfortunately these are the ones between us and you, so it could
take a few minutes to some hours till they refresh the caches.

the switch is done and everything works as expected, and it will for you
too as soon as these caches are all refreshed.

we decided against letting the old installation keep running not to
confuse people 'where their edits are gone' or 'accounts vanishing'.

for a quick fix you could add 88.198.93.221  wiki.openmoko.org to your
/etc/hosts for today. tomorrow/later everything will be fine by itself. ;)

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RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread steve
I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two
weeks and ship, etc. 

What is your dissertation on?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4
weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?

I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I
know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the
  Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd
put
  the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.


  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM
  To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'


 Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

  The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.


  Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They
  will be shipped to distribution.

  When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press
release
  and announce to the list and the store will open.

  So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.

  Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the
disty
  ready to ship before I opened the web shop.

  Also, I need to update everybody on software.

  Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them








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Reichel
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM
  To: List for Openmoko community discussion
  Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

  Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
  Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
   I will update the production status over the weekend!

  Hi,

  the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
  where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D

  greetings from Europe,

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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Alexander Frøyseth

So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started?
Is it days? weeks?
steve skrev:

I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two
weeks and ship, etc. 


What is your dissertation on?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4
weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?

I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I
know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the
 Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd


put
  

 the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve
 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM
 To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'


Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

 The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.


 Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They
 will be shipped to distribution.

 When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press


release
  

 and announce to the list and the store will open.

 So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.

 Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the


disty
  

 ready to ship before I opened the web shop.

 Also, I need to update everybody on software.

 Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them








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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian


Reichel
  

 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

 Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
 Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
  I will update the production status over the weekend!

 Hi,

 the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
 where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D

 greetings from Europe,

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RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Crane, Matthew
Hmm.. 2% failure?  That's a bit high, no?  Does the pcb have some
issues?

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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:48 AM
To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?


I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The
build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build
two
weeks and ship, etc. 

What is your dissertation on?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4
weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?

I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I
know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit
the
  Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So,
I'd
put
  the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.


  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM
  To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'


 Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

  The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may
9.


  Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test,
They
  will be shipped to distribution.

  When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press
release
  and announce to the list and the store will open.

  So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.

  Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the
disty
  ready to ship before I opened the web shop.

  Also, I need to update everybody on software.

  Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them








  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian
Reichel
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM
  To: List for Openmoko community discussion
  Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

  Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
  Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
   I will update the production status over the weekend!

  Hi,

  the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
  where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D

  greetings from Europe,

  Sebastian


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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Roland Häder
These people are *really* horney on a free phone... ;-) Just the result of my 
watching this list. :) I can wait here long thats not the problem.


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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/5/08, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm.. 2% failure?  That's a bit high, no?  Does the pcb have some
 issues?

I think 2% is very low. Remember it is a MP.
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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Kevin Dean
Iceweasel 3 shows the sidebar moved to the bottom.

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 5/5/08, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu
(the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the
top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem?
 
  Same goes for the Opera browser [1] - the menu comes after the rest of
  the text, down to the right. I think it has been like this for a long
  time, and for many versions of opera (9.x). I now use 9.50 Beta 2, and
  the problem persists.
 
  I think the problem was there also when the wiki was bug free (see
  validator.w3.org).
 
  best,
  MartinG
 
 
  [1] http://www.opera.com
 
 
 

 hmm :)

 I use swiftfox in 3 series since month and I was believing it was normal :)

 Looking it  with iceweasel 2* show me the menu on top effectively


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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread Florian Rebstock
Shachar Shemesh schrieb:
 Florian Rebstock wrote:
 Hello,

 what i ever want to know:
 could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA
 Display or Beamer ?
 Because that would be pretty useful for small presentations or so...

 Florian
   
 Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there
 are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the
 presentation.
But i will need a computer with a vnc client. I think its much cooler -
the presentation runs from my new phone, with 2 frames per second.
 So you hold the phone in your hands while you talk, and walk around on
 stage freely, but the overhead still shows what you are doing.

 Shachar

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Re: Wiki is down

2008-05-05 Thread Steven **
It's resolving correctly now.

Thanks,
Steven

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steven ** wrote:
   Myself and several others cannot reach the wiki.
   http://www.openmoko.org gives a 404 error (it redirects to
   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page which is Not Found)
   http://wiki.openmoko.org redirects to
   http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi

  hi steven.

  sorry for any inconvenience.

  we did a major mediawiki version update today in combination to some
  server restructuring and it seems some dns servers are still not in
  sync. unfortunately these are the ones between us and you, so it could
  take a few minutes to some hours till they refresh the caches.

  the switch is done and everything works as expected, and it will for you
  too as soon as these caches are all refreshed.

  we decided against letting the old installation keep running not to
  confuse people 'where their edits are gone' or 'accounts vanishing'.

  for a quick fix you could add 88.198.93.221  wiki.openmoko.org to your
  /etc/hosts for today. tomorrow/later everything will be fine by itself. ;)

  kind regards

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

2008-05-05 Thread Marnix Klooster

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Hi Steve, others,

About that 8GB micro-SD card (which someone confusingly called a miniSD
card earlier in this thread), steve wrote once upon a time:

| I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
| Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy
| dance.
|
| He'll be back soon. We will revert on this.

Then David Samblas Martinez wrote on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM:

| I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD

And then quickly steve replied:

| The Happy dance
|
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368

And much fun ensued. :-)

However, does this mean that at least one 8GB microSD card has been
tested and verified working?

Thanks!

Groetjes,
~ 
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RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread steve
Its not days.  I’ll get more details and update in a couple days

 

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Frøyseth
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:59 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

 

So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started?
Is it days? weeks?
steve skrev: 

I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two
weeks and ship, etc. 
 
What is your dissertation on?
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4
weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?
 
I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I
know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D
 
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the
 Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd


put
  

 the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve
 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM
 To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
 
 
Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
 The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.
 
 
 Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They
 will be shipped to distribution.
 
 When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press


release
  

 and announce to the list and the store will open.
 
 So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.
 
 Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the


disty
  

 ready to ship before I opened the web shop.
 
 Also, I need to update everybody on software.
 
 Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian


Reichel
  

 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM
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 Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
 Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
 Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
  I will update the production status over the weekend!
 
 Hi,
 
 the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
 where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D
 
 greetings from Europe,
 
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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Alexander Frøyseth

Thats was great to hear :-D


steve skrev:


Its not days.  I'll get more details and update in a couple days

 




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Frøyseth

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So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started?
Is it days? weeks?
steve skrev:

I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two
weeks and ship, etc. 
 
What is your dissertation on?
 
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Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4

weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?
 
I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I

know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D
 
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the
 Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd


put
  

 the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.
 
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve

 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM
 To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
 
 
Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
 The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.
 
 
 Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They

 will be shipped to distribution.
 
 When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press


release
  

 and announce to the list and the store will open.
 
 So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.
 
 Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the


disty
  

 ready to ship before I opened the web shop.
 
 Also, I need to update everybody on software.
 
 Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Reichel
  

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 Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:

 Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
  I will update the production status over the weekend!
 
 Hi,
 
 the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,

 where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D
 
 greetings from Europe,
 
 Sebastian
 
 
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RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread steve
Matthew,

Let me translate it. I wrote

 The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item

LETS SAY.   

DVT verifies the design. That's been done.
PVT Verifies the Production. That's been done.
The PreMP will give us a number on the yield we can expect.

So, a PCB problem would be caught in DVT.
A Production problem is caught in PVT. 
The PreMP gives us a good final estimate at the production yield.

Yeild loss can come from a variety of things that are not design related,
but rather production related, like cold solder joint for example, or a 
bad batch of cpu, etc etc. These numbers are typically very very small. 

Now with something like a CPU  or GPU when you first go into production your
yield losess can be double digit.  




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Hmm.. 2% failure?  That's a bit high, no?  Does the pcb have some
issues?

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Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?


I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The
build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build
two
weeks and ship, etc. 

What is your dissertation on?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4
weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?

I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I
know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit
the
  Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So,
I'd
put
  the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.


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  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM
  To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'


 Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

  The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may
9.


  Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test,
They
  will be shipped to distribution.

  When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press
release
  and announce to the list and the store will open.

  So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.

  Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the
disty
  ready to ship before I opened the web shop.

  Also, I need to update everybody on software.

  Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them








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  Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

  Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
  Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
   I will update the production status over the weekend!

  Hi,

  the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
  where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D

  greetings from Europe,

  Sebastian


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Re: Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread Nicanor Babula


Florian Rebstock wrote:

Shachar Shemesh schrieb:
  

Florian Rebstock wrote:


Hello,

what i ever want to know:
could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA
Display or Beamer ?
Because that would be pretty useful for small presentations or so...

Florian
  
  

Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there
are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the
presentation.


But i will need a computer with a vnc client. I think its much cooler -
the presentation runs from my new phone, with 2 frames per second.
  


What about installing on the PC a vnc server and on the phone a vnc 
client to control the presentation that is running on the pc? One could 
add some special accelerometer support on the vnc client (e.g.: shake 
the device once for enter, shake twice for esc, etc, etc).



P.S.: Sorry for some eventually missing Es my keyboard's batteries are 
down


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Re: OpenMoko GTA02 status (Searching lists archives)

2008-05-05 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Am Montag, 5. Mai 2008 schrieb Adilson Oliveira:
 There was an email yesterday from Steve talking about it. Check the
 archives, please.

Is there an easy way to search within the lists archives?
I didn't notice an Search list entry within
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/
(or http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community)
Is Google (groups) the (only) way to go???

Thanks,
Martin

P.S.: Great that someone (Bmk789, 13:38, 5 May 2008) updated
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates
(There're quite a few emails send to the community mailing list and
 nice to have a page with recent news.)
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Re: Group Sales Page

2008-05-05 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,


   still giving a 404 to me.

  can you see the main page http://wiki.openmoko.org/ without error?


It redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi
Routing problem?

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RE: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread steve
I’m goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back panel.

 

Have you used emachine shop? 

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crane, Matthew
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: RE: Stylus Recommendation

 

Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop.  But how tightly can something 
like that be locked to the side of the phone?  A usb connector by itself is 
probally not suffecient no?

 

  _  

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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Stylus Recommendation

Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread

Someone (read: not me.  I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb connector 
sticking out along the side.  Then, the stylus could plug into the usb port and 
be held tight against the side of the phone.



On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small,
cheap,  I like how they fit into the casing of the DS.  I would try to
use the FreeRunner CAD data
( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to
make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E
files.  As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project.


On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote:
 Shawn Rutledge wrote:
  On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current
   produced from such a magnet would be negligible.  But, even assuming
   that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic?  Is
 
 
  Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a
  small, really strong neodymium magnet.  Then use a thin steel stylus
  (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has
  the magnet.  It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it
  had a slightly concave shape.  Or mod the case to have a shallow
  groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a
  thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested.  Since the magnet
  doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it
  might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go
  off in a curve instead.  Not sure if that would affect anything...)
 
 
 

 Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has
 a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my
 motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create
 large additional costs.

 Check it out:
 http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/

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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Patryk Szymczak
 I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu
  (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the
  top).

Have the same at FF3 Beta 5, resolution 1400x1050

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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Steven **
I just drew up my first part.  The price quote was $1600!  :-(  (In
all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in
aluminum.)

Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs?

-Steven

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have you used emachine shop?

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Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-05 Thread Ian Darwin
I did mention when I jumped in that I was talking about a slightly 
different problem than what you seem to be trying to solve. That said...


Storing your MD5s will let you know *if* you are repeating a build.  It 
will not (reasonably) let you repeat a build.


You completely misunderstood what I said. Storing the file name, URL 
*and* its MD5 lets you be sure you are able to reproduce the build. And 
it's the only way you can (well, we actually use SHA's and RMD's in 
addition to MD5's).


It does not guarantee to build *exactly* the same binary, but you can 
*never ever* make that guarantee in general because of changes to shared 
libraries (in the Java world you have a greater chance, but even then,
even the smallest point upgrade to the JDK could in theory change the 
generated .class files), so there is really no point whatever using 
MD5's on generated binaries. None. I have no idea why Hudson bothers, if 
that's what it's using them for.


You need some way of identifying the file you want to build *to the 
revision control system* (so you can download that version) if you want 
repeatable builds.


In the case I'm talking about - where there are about 5,000 different 
external programs from about 2,500 different sources - you don't even 
think about going to the revision control system (6 or 8 different 
services over 2,000 different hosts). You can ONLY think in terms of

ftp/http download of version-numbered tarballs. Period.

MD5s sound nice to verify, if you don't trust your revision control 
system (or perhaps the admins ;-)


See above for why revision control is completely irrelevant to us.

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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Michael Shiloh

How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck?

steve wrote:



I’m goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back 
panel.


 


Have you used emachine shop?

 

* From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Crane, Matthew

*Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM
*To:* List for Openmoko community discussion
*Subject:* RE: Stylus Recommendation

 

Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop.  But how tightly can 
something like that be locked to the side of the phone?  A usb connector 
by itself is probally not suffecient no?


 

* From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steven Milburn

*Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM
*To:* community@lists.openmoko.org
*Subject:* Re: Stylus Recommendation

Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread

Someone (read: not me.  I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb 
connector sticking out along the side.  Then, the stylus could plug into 
the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone.


On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small,
cheap,  I like how they fit into the casing of the DS.  I would try to
use the FreeRunner CAD data
( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to
make my own case mod design if I could find something to convert Pro-E
files.  As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project.


On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote:

 Shawn Rutledge wrote:
  On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
   I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current
   produced from such a magnet would be negligible.  But, even assuming
   that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic?  Is
 
 
  Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a
  small, really strong neodymium magnet.  Then use a thin steel stylus
  (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has
  the magnet.  It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it
  had a slightly concave shape.  Or mod the case to have a shallow
  groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a
  thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested.  Since the magnet
  doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it
  might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go
  off in a curve instead.  Not sure if that would affect anything...)
 
 
 

 Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has
 a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my
 motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create
 large additional costs.

 Check it out:
 http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/

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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Niels L. Ellegaard
Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Something that might work would be a guitar finger pick.  Here's a
 link to a selection of those:
 http://www.suncreekmusic.com/index.php/cPath/26_34

I thought of buying a simple plastic keyring. I think that the
following could do the trick, but I am a little worried about damaging
the screen of the phone.

http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(5ebbkvzk4jdg2i55dldmps55)/ProductDetails.aspx?SKU=5169487

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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Michael Shiloh writes:
How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck?

It's jest a real BIG stylus

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Michael 8gb test (was RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

2008-05-05 Thread steve
I'm not sure if we did this yet. I'll check

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Hi Steve, others,

About that 8GB micro-SD card (which someone confusingly called a miniSD
card earlier in this thread), steve wrote once upon a time:

| I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
| Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy
| dance.
|
| He'll be back soon. We will revert on this.

Then David Samblas Martinez wrote on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM:

| I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD

And then quickly steve replied:

| The Happy dance
|
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368

And much fun ensued. :-)

However, does this mean that at least one 8GB microSD card has been
tested and verified working?

Thanks!

Groetjes,
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Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-05 Thread Ian Darwin
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 05:55:43PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote:
 You completely misunderstood what I said. Storing the file name, URL 
 *and* its MD5 lets you be sure you are able to reproduce the build. And 

What I meant to say here was: Storing the file name, URL
and the MD5 of the *source* tarball lets you be sure...

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RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread steve
Your welcome,

 

Now I need to thank everybody for their patience and pass along an ancient
piece of wisdom that I just made up.

 

“If you keep pulling the carrot out of the ground to see if it has grown,
you’ll starve the rabbit.”

 

So. Let the carrot grow for another week and I’ll do another Monday update.

 

 

 

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Thats was great to hear :-D 


steve skrev: 

Its not days.  I’ll get more details and update in a couple days

 

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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:59 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

 

So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started?
Is it days? weeks?
steve skrev: 

I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two
weeks and ship, etc. 
 
What is your dissertation on?
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:57 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4
weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?
 
I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I
know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D
 
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the
 Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd


put
  

 the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve
 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM
 To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
 
 
Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
 The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.
 
 
 Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They
 will be shipped to distribution.
 
 When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press


release
  

 and announce to the list and the store will open.
 
 So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.
 
 Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the


disty
  

 ready to ship before I opened the web shop.
 
 Also, I need to update everybody on software.
 
 Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Reichel
  

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 Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
 Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
  I will update the production status over the weekend!
 
 Hi,
 
 the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
 where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D
 
 greetings from Europe,
 
 Sebastian
 
 
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RE: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread steve
I looked at emachines a few years back for doing some custom car parts. The
CAD tool was a bit funky. The price was not hobby  friendly as you note. 
My friend owned a machine shop so he just CNCed the thing since he wanted it
too. I never tried a plastic part with emachine, but its all about the set
up cost and the tool you use. material is immaterial ( or should be)
 
You've seen the fishing rod holders. small rubber part u-shaped things. pry
it open
slip the rod in... I'm thinking down those lines, just for me, not a company
endorsed thing. Just messing around.  

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I just drew up my first part.  The price quote was $1600!  :-(  (In
all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in
aluminum.)

Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs?

-Steven

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RE: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread steve
My truck and 4 dollar gas are not a marriage made in heaven micheal. A hemi
was great when gas was 2 bucks, but now, ouch.

I have some fun ideas on various approaches. I should have said fishing rod
holder as opposed to gun rack. Does your GTA01 back panel fit on an A02?.
My A01 is loaned out so I need to get it back and maybe perform some
surgery, when I'm less busy. 



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How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck?

steve wrote:
 
 
 I'm goingto fashion a vertically mounted gun rack type holder on my back 
 panel.
 
  
 
 Have you used emachine shop?
 
  
 
 * From: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Crane,
Matthew
 *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 7:04 AM
 *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion
 *Subject:* RE: Stylus Recommendation
 
  
 
 Sounds like a good candidate for emachnie shop.  But how tightly can 
 something like that be locked to the side of the phone?  A usb connector 
 by itself is probally not suffecient no?
 
  
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steven
Milburn
 *Sent:* Monday, May 05, 2008 9:06 AM
 *To:* community@lists.openmoko.org
 *Subject:* Re: Stylus Recommendation
 
 Just had a crazy thought while reading this thread
 
 Someone (read: not me.  I AM a EE :) ) could make a stylus with a usb 
 connector sticking out along the side.  Then, the stylus could plug into 
 the usb port and be held tight against the side of the phone.
 
 On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
 I'd like a Nintendo DS style stylus and holder because they're small,
 cheap,  I like how they fit into the casing of the DS.  ?I would try to
 use the FreeRunner CAD data
 ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Case ) to
 make my own case mod design ?if I could find something to convert Pro-E
 files.  As it stands I refuse to buy Pro-E for a single hobby project.
 
 
 On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 09:12 +0200, Nicanor Babula wrote:
  Shawn Rutledge wrote:
   On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the
voltage/current
produced from such a magnet would be negligible.  But, even assuming
that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic?  Is
  
  
   Well you could take apart the phone and try to find a place to stash a
   small, really strong neodymium magnet.  Then use a thin steel stylus
   (with a soft plastic tip), shaped to fit against whatever surface has
   the magnet.  It could even fit against the side of the phone, if it
   had a slightly concave shape.  Or mod the case to have a shallow
   groove for the stylus to fit into, then the stylus could just be a
   thin steel bar, or rounded on one side as suggested.  Since the magnet
   doesn't move, it shouldn't cause any inductive pulses (although it
   might cause electrons that are trying to move in a straight line to go
   off in a curve instead.  Not sure if that would affect anything...)
  
  
  

  Now I am using a motorola A1200E Motoming (linux based ;) ) and it has
  a stylus too. I like very much the way the stylus is attached to my
  motorola and I would like to see it on the neo if it doesn't create
  large additional costs.

  Check it out:
  http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/motomingedge/

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Re: Multi-Level Markting - Is OpenMoko interested in?

2008-05-05 Thread Stefan Misch

Hello Roland,

while I think that the OpenMoko should get more attention in the media I don't 
think it's a good idea to use all methods you mentioned.


An affiliate program (e.g. via zanox) would be a great idea but forced clicks 
and paid mails are dubious advertising methods at best. IMHO the Freerunner 
should get a more *honest* (in lack of a better word) advertising than that.


Also I think that as long as the software is not end-user friendly it's better 
to stick to word-of-mouth advertising plus technology geared media.


Take care,
Stefan

Roland Häder wrote:

Hi together,

as the subject said I'm asking here if OpenMoko is interested in multi level 
marketing? You can read about the basics on Wikipedia if you don't know 
it. :)


My friend and I have a (German) Internet marketing platform with about 800+ 
registrations. We have a lot different ways of marketing there. Here are only 
some examples:


- Mails directly delivered to our members
- Click mails where they have to login to get their reward
- Banners (forced-click banner and rotation banners)
- Textlinks
- An AdSense-like system (in planing phase)
- 1 Euro for a 88x31 or textlink for one year
- Bonus campaigns (a bit like button or textlink promotion)
- Sign up actions

If you like I can send you the link directly not here in mailing list.

And have you heard about Zanox?

Best regards,
Roland Haeder

PS: I have CC-ed Trisoft and my friend. :)





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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread Fredrik Wendt
Florian Rebstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Shachar Shemesh schrieb:
  Florian Rebstock wrote:
  could it be possible - to connect the Freerunner with a external VGA
  Display or Beamer ?

  Just run a vnc server on the device. It looks even cooler when there
  are no cables connecting the device to the projector during the
  presentation.
 But i will need a computer with a vnc client. I think its much cooler -
 the presentation runs from my new phone, with 2 frames per second.

I couldn't agree more. I don't need speed - people are supposed to listen to me
while doing a presentation, not be amazed by 14 slides per second (fps)! ;)

Actually, I'm starting to feel like I'm going to be somewhat disappointed by the
performance of the device:
- battery drainage
- hard (= chose the right codec, recode everything) to get flowing video 
playback
- not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB
- no 3G = slow data access = no streaming of my music
- no 8GB microSD = I'll be able to carry  10 % of my music (legal - ogg)
- need for stylus, but no place to keep it

I love the idea of this phone/miniature-PC, but I guess my hopes have been a
little to high. There's a lot of scenarios where the device won't be practical
to use (and commercial, closed alternatives have been working for some time).

Perhaps I should write a list of my intended usage, stop whining and see what is
possible when the actual device is in my hands. :)

/ Fredrik


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Software

2008-05-05 Thread David Murrell
A thought.

My current phone has birthday notifications for contact list members.

This is fine, but a better extension would be to alert, and offer to
send happy birthday text message around a pseudo random time (one
wouldn't want to be seen to send the same message every year at exactly
the same time)
Alternatively, a prompt saying Its $persons birthday. With a button
saying Send a message :)

Ok, I'm a guy, and I forget birthdays, and don't really understand the
thing about getting a text message saying happy birthday, but evidently
others do...

TTFN,
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Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-05 Thread Paul Jimenez

Ponoko has acrylic in 1/8 and some 1/4 thicknesses that you can
get laser-cut for fairly reasonable prices - IIRC, they just opened
a bay-area cut/ship center to reduce shipping in the US (they're originally
from New Zealand!).  Looks like a typical project from 7x7x1/8 acrylic
is around $10-$20. That's potentially several stylus-racks.

  --pj

On Monday, May 5, 2008, steve writes:
I looked at emachines a few years back for doing some custom car parts. The
CAD tool was a bit funky. The price was not hobby  friendly as you note. 
My friend owned a machine shop so he just CNCed the thing since he wanted it
too. I never tried a plastic part with emachine, but its all about the set
up cost and the tool you use. material is immaterial ( or should be)
 
You've seen the fishing rod holders. small rubber part u-shaped things. pry
it open
slip the rod in... I'm thinking down those lines, just for me, not a company
endorsed thing. Just messing around.  

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To: List for Openmoko community discussion
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I just drew up my first part.  The price quote was $1600!  :-(  (In
all fairness, it's a much larger piece than what you're talking and in
aluminum.)

Are their prices workable for smaller plastic designs?

-Steven

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 5 May 2008 23:38:50 + (UTC) Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

remember guys... it's a PHONE... PHONE... PHONE. :) NOT a PC. yes - sacrifices
have been made. it was never intended to need a stylus - the state of the gui
demanded it (that is being worked on and getting better).

all of the below are pretty much compromises made by a lot of PHONEs. (yes -
the local phone store has tonnes of phones that are not 3G - it saves price).
and you want open - that has been another constraining factor in hardware
choice...

:)

 Actually, I'm starting to feel like I'm going to be somewhat disappointed by
 the performance of the device:
 - battery drainage
 - hard (= chose the right codec, recode everything) to get flowing video
 playback
 - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB
 - no 3G = slow data access = no streaming of my music
 - no 8GB microSD = I'll be able to carry  10 % of my music (legal - ogg)
 - need for stylus, but no place to keep it
 
 I love the idea of this phone/miniature-PC, but I guess my hopes have been a
 little to high. There's a lot of scenarios where the device won't be practical
 to use (and commercial, closed alternatives have been working for some time).
 
 Perhaps I should write a list of my intended usage, stop whining and see what
 is possible when the actual device is in my hands. :)
 
 / Fredrik
 
 
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Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-05 Thread Bobby Martin
 From: Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I did mention when I jumped in that I was talking about a slightly
 different problem than what you seem to be trying to solve. That said...

  Storing your MD5s will let you know *if* you are repeating a build.  It
  will not (reasonably) let you repeat a build.
 

 You completely misunderstood what I said. Storing the file name, URL *and*
 its MD5 lets you be sure you are able to reproduce the build. And it's the
 only way you can (well, we actually use SHA's and RMD's in addition to
 MD5's).


If I misunderstood it, I still do.  MD5 absolutely will not help you
reproduce a build.  It will only help you verify that your procedure
(whatever it is) retrieved the same files.  It won't help you find the
correct file if the file you got was wrong.


 It does not guarantee to build *exactly* the same binary, but you can
 *never ever* make that guarantee in general because of changes to shared
 libraries (in the Java world you have a greater chance, but even then,
 even the smallest point upgrade to the JDK could in theory change the
 generated .class files), so there is really no point whatever using MD5's on
 generated binaries. None. I have no idea why Hudson bothers, if that's what
 it's using them for.


  You need some way of identifying the file you want to build *to the
  revision control system* (so you can download that version) if you want
  repeatable builds.
 

 In the case I'm talking about - where there are about 5,000 different
 external programs from about 2,500 different sources - you don't even think
 about going to the revision control system (6 or 8 different services over
 2,000 different hosts). You can ONLY think in terms of
 ftp/http download of version-numbered tarballs. Period.


No, you MOSTLY think in terms of ftp/http download.  For the projects on
which you're doing work (at least) you absolutely go to the revision control
system.

Are we talking about the same thing?  I'm talking about a repeatable build
so I can do development work, modifying existing code.  To do that, you'd
better work with the revision control system.  Even if you don't have submit
access (which the vast majority of devs probably shouldn't have), in some
cases you have a RCS that supports creating smart diffs that you can send to
someone to review  submit trivially (e.g. git or darcs) and in other cases
you almost certainly want to submit a patch from the latest possible
revision.


  MD5s sound nice to verify, if you don't trust your revision control
  system (or perhaps the admins ;-)
 

 See above for why revision control is completely irrelevant to us.


Who is 'us'?

Bobby

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread Ian Darwin


- not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB 


Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above 
your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman 
said, it's a phone.


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Re: Multi-Level Markting - Is OpenMoko interested in?

2008-05-05 Thread ramsesoriginal
I dont remembre if I already mentioned it or only planned to mention
it, but i would recommend giving http://zooppa.com/ a look when it
comes to advertising.
I think the Openmoko would be a great product for this kind of
advertisement. Basically its user generatet advertisement. In a really
funny way.

Just my 2 €-cents.

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Stefan Misch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Roland,

  while I think that the OpenMoko should get more attention in the media I
 don't think it's a good idea to use all methods you mentioned.

  An affiliate program (e.g. via zanox) would be a great idea but forced
 clicks and paid mails are dubious advertising methods at best. IMHO the
 Freerunner should get a more *honest* (in lack of a better word) advertising
 than that.

  Also I think that as long as the software is not end-user friendly it's
 better to stick to word-of-mouth advertising plus technology geared media.

  Take care,
  Stefan

  Roland Häder wrote:

 
 
 
  Hi together,
 
  as the subject said I'm asking here if OpenMoko is interested in multi
 level marketing? You can read about the basics on Wikipedia if you don't
 know it. :)
 
  My friend and I have a (German) Internet marketing platform with about
 800+ registrations. We have a lot different ways of marketing there. Here
 are only some examples:
 
  - Mails directly delivered to our members
  - Click mails where they have to login to get their reward
  - Banners (forced-click banner and rotation banners)
  - Textlinks
  - An AdSense-like system (in planing phase)
  - 1 Euro for a 88x31 or textlink for one year
  - Bonus campaigns (a bit like button or textlink promotion)
  - Sign up actions
 
  If you like I can send you the link directly not here in mailing list.
 
  And have you heard about Zanox?
 
  Best regards,
  Roland Haeder
 
  PS: I have CC-ed Trisoft and my friend. :)
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

2008-05-05 Thread Harry Tsai

Dear Community,
I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our 
first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India that 
you can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot 
and customs process effort.


I will update our other formal resellers to public soon.

BR

Harry

rakshat hooja ??:
Ida Systems Pvt Ltd will be reselling the Neo Freerunner in India. 
After careful consideration the the Retail Price in India has been 
fixed at Rs 2/-.  This includes all taxes, shipping to your 
address, 30 days return and one year warranty. We are hoping to be 
able to ship the Freerunners to customers by end May. For more 
information please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


There are still a few slots left in our inaugural offer for the first 
40 orders of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15399/-. Please mail me at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would 
like to pre-book and avail the offer.


Thanks

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Re: Freerunner Sale Price in India - Official partner with Openmoko

2008-05-05 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi,

--- On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Harry Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I am so glad to introduce Mr.Rakshat to you all, actually they are our
| first partner in India market, if you are developer come from India that you
| can buy Freerunner from him directly for reduce your shipping cot and
| customs process effort.
\--

I would like to thank you guys for this initiative. It greatly eases
our shipping+customs+tax import issues. Yes, I have made my order :)

I just have one request. If you guys can strip the current model to
just have 1. a GSM (say INR 5k, or USD 125) , or 2. a model with
GSM+GPS (with a reduced price, of course), it will be extremely useful
for the mass market in India. I would assume the GSM takes
one-fourth of the total price of the product. Not sure what is the
proportion of the GPS component.

INR 20k (with four RF components) is quite affordable to most people
working in the Industry here in India, but, a basic, customizable
phone would be really something that will be usable, and affordable
for the masses.

Just my thoughts,

SK

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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

2008-05-05 Thread Lally Singh
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:48 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
  cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
  improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build
  process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
  of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
  Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two
  weeks and ship, etc.

  What is your dissertation on?

Wonderful!

My dissertation's on the scalability of massively multiplayer video
games.  I'm taking the Torque (www.garagegames.com) engine and making
it scale to as many simulated users as I can handle.  I can get access
to the VT Supercomputer, so that should be at least 10k simulated
users.  That number really depends on how well I can tweak out the
simulator (a full running copy of the game, with rendering turned off
and an AI controlling the player).




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 Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

  Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4
  weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
  If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?

  I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I
  know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
  update.
  Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
  of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
  arrive when the phone arrives :-D

  On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the
Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd
  put
the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.
  
  
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   Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
  
The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.
  
  
Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They
will be shipped to distribution.
  
When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press
  release
and announce to the list and the store will open.
  
So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.
  
Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the
  disty
ready to ship before I opened the web shop.
  
Also, I need to update everybody on software.
  
Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
 I will update the production status over the weekend!
  
Hi,
  
the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D
  
greetings from Europe,
  
Sebastian
  
  
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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Joachim Steiger
please retest, ive added a small patch, courtesy of abraxa.
thanks for testing (most of us is till on FF2 here)

ps: please use http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/ for any site,
infrastructure, webservices issues from now on.

the product and software/openmoko distribution issues will also move
from bugzilla to a trac soon.

will write up about it as soon as we are done (do not worry, no bugs
should be lost at all, we will migrate them)


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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread nickd

bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
-nick

Ian Darwin wrote:


- not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB 


Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above 
your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman 
said, it's a phone.


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Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?

2008-05-05 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Close, but no cigar :)

The top half of the menu renders fine for me, but the search bar is
still at the bottem.

Cheers,
Federico

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 please retest, ive added a small patch, courtesy of abraxa.
  thanks for testing (most of us is till on FF2 here)

  ps: please use http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/ for any site,
  infrastructure, webservices issues from now on.

  the product and software/openmoko distribution issues will also move
  from bugzilla to a trac soon.

  will write up about it as soon as we are done (do not worry, no bugs
  should be lost at all, we will migrate them)


  kind regards

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Re: Freerunner and external Display

2008-05-05 Thread Mo Abrahams
Thats it,
dig the boot in right under his ribs there... go in for the kill =P

On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 15:26 +1000, nickd wrote:
 bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
 -nick
 
 Ian Darwin wrote:
 
  - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB 
 
  Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above 
  your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman 
  said, it's a phone.
 
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