Re: Freerunner games
YEESSS I rule in linerider :D But it is a glash game, so just download and run in firefox or something ;-) steve skrev: I want line runner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS0gloxj-os *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Alexander Frøyseth *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:14 AM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: Freerunner games This was soo cool Lost some hours of sleep to night because of that program. But I dont know if it is a game, but cool was it!! The is a Linux version, and it dont need to be installed. Only run a file, and thats it. Alexander Frøyseth Kim Alvefur skrev: I want this game: http://www.phun.at/ with an Gravity follows real gravity mode. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alarmclock puzzle
I had the same idea and bought two 1W LEDs. I can dim them with PWM from a microcontroller. The microcontroller has its own power supply and will be connected via USB to the Freerunner. Thus, the Freerunner can control the LEDs in the morning and is also charged during the night (I belive the Freerunner can be charged in host mode). Maybe I don't need a wake-up sound since the LEDs are VERY bright :-) Sven On Tuesday 13 May 2008 21:43:39 Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/5/14 Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 By the way, when you shake the Freerunner, does it wake up if in suspend? Arne Kristian Jansen schrieb: if we're designing alarm clocks for the neo, i'd love to see something like this implemented: http://www.soleilsunalarm.com/ it gradually turns on a bright light, to simulate the sun coming up. i've been using one for nearly a year now, fantastic thing, i always wake up feeling good and i'm not a morning person maybe this could be implemented on the neo, using the screen as the lamp? of course, it'd have to be plugged in - the thing has a 1A, 12V power supply, that sort of power drain would flatten the battery in no time thinking about it, the screen may not be bright enough, but even if it was used as a 'start' to waking me up, completed by the usual jangling alarm noise, that would be useful ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Funny Dialer
There is a link to that article?? --- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Lovely, I have just submitted an article to Innovation magazine highlighting the first case mod that was done. If you complete your mod, I'll see what I can do to showcase it on our website. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heikki Sørum Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:12 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Funny Dialer Actually, I'm dreaming of doing a serious Steam-punk mod of the freerunner case. Eg. create a circular watchlike case from the CAD files with typewriter keys and all the fancy steam-ish stuff. ;) Heikki Soerum. Den Mon, 12 May 2008 12:55:56 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: I love retro stuff. Michael and I were talking about sample apps for beginners and I thought it would be cool to to do a hello world dialer. get it? I know kinda dorky. Doing a remix of the old rotary dialer as a hello world app on the neo would be a neat hack. Neo would approve. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Breakable Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:06 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Funny Dialer I am positive you should have to turn the dialer manually for most user friendliness :D While hilarious this could become a killer feature to make a phone for the technologically challenged. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alarmclock puzzle
Not an alarm clock, but this would go well with the retro dialler ... http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html; BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alarmclock puzzle
And then you will arrive late because you are trying to beat up the 14th snozee Level :) Really a lot of ideas have arrise to wake up people bu I have saw myself, in my sleep mode, looking at something black that beeps, brights an buzz and with strange messages , colors and buttons on the screen... I will tell my wife to record a message that textually says every five seconds:It cost 400$ DON'T destroy it PD.-This I hope this message will be effective to my wife too, is not very wake up friendly. --- Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: An interesting alarm would be a Simon( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_(game) ) clone. Instead of a monotone beep or music of a normal alarm, the sound you wake up to could be the game beeping the notes at you. It could beep the sequence and wait a couple seconds for you to try to repeat it, and if no input, then it would play the sequence again. The more you hit snooze, the longer the pattern becomes. Start with maybe a sequence of 5 or so, and add a couple to the sequence each time. Actually, would be a fun game to have on there regardless of alarm clocks :-P Hans Loeblich ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alarmclock puzzle
2008/5/14 Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I had the same idea and bought two 1W LEDs. I can dim them with PWM from a microcontroller. The microcontroller has its own power supply and will be connected via USB to the Freerunner. Thus, the Freerunner can control the LEDs in the morning and is also charged during the night (I belive the Freerunner can be charged in host mode). Maybe I don't need a wake-up sound since the LEDs are VERY bright :-) yes, that would all work, but it reduces the neo to a bit-part in the process - i might as well have a separate alarm clock if i have to faff about with external components in that way. maybe if the neo itself could do the pwm, hacking a couple of leds into a modified case would not be so difficult? on the wiki i see the neo screen can emit 220 cd/m^2 which is ~0.0819 lumens (guessing at a 25deg cone for the light emittance) and from this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumen_%28unit%29 , a 100W incandescent bulb emits about 1700lumens =a 12W bulb (as in the soleil alarm clock) emits about 200 lumens a lot more than the neo screen, so i guess i'm out of luck ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
activating bluetooth via script on GTA02
Hi openmoko fans, So about my openmoko: Kernel: Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 13 01:34:17 UTC 2008 armv4tl unknown System: OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080131-fic-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz So whats my problem: I am trying to start and stop bluetooth via a little script. I already made a little script for the gps but bluetooth doesn't work: #!/bin/sh echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on hciconfig This should supply the bluetooth subsystem with power. But what happens is: # ./bt 0 So the status of the file hasn't changed. But when i use the icon in the tray bar it works perfectly. So i guess i have to add a few more steps. What do i have to add to my skript to start the bluetooth subsystem? Thanks in advance Kai ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner games
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 03:41:18PM -0700, steve wrote: ya etch a sketch was one that we have talked about. Too many ideas, Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon... he tells the Pointy-Haired Boss to reset his laptop by turning it upside-down and shaking it. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Some days, it's just not worth gnawing through the straps. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: activating bluetooth via script on GTA02
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | So the status of the file hasn't changed. | But when i use the icon in the tray bar it works perfectly. So i guess | i have to add a few more steps. What do i have to add to my skript to | start the bluetooth subsystem? Hi Kai - There is additionally a reset guy in the /sys directory, you have to push him to 0 after giving power before the device will enumerate on USB. I will check that the return value from power_on /sys is good though. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgqqhgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqXFgCZAb65tdIwQ9Vnpr7SlP7nUMaj TigAoJDV0gdm7nyHQ/rCyPorkkzNVL0x =a1q8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:03:45 +0100 andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct, the root account on the phone has a blank password, Maybe part of the getting started manual could include setting up pubkey authentication and disabling password logins (at least for the wifi maybe they could still be allowed over usb - not sure if that's possible). I think that the ip address is always the same to make using eth over usb simpler - the wifi should pickup its address from dhcp (or from a static config). solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
Well, it would take programming but I think the correct method of handling this would be to either disable ssh altogether or (perferably) only enable it for the usb interface, and then *if* a user wants to make their phone availble for ssh via wifi there should be an enable ssh configuration option that prompts you to set the ssh password. That way the vast majority of consumer users never have to worry about ssh being enabled or not and there's no default password to the phone to make it look bad security-wise. - Michael On Wed, 14 May 2008, George Brooke wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:03:45 +0100 andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct, the root account on the phone has a blank password, Maybe part of the getting started manual could include setting up pubkey authentication and disabling password logins (at least for the wifi maybe they could still be allowed over usb - not sure if that's possible). I think that the ip address is always the same to make using eth over usb simpler - the wifi should pickup its address from dhcp (or from a static config). solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 06:34:17AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it would take programming but I think the correct method of handling this would be to either disable ssh altogether or (perferably) only enable it for the usb interface, and then *if* a user wants to make their phone availble for ssh via wifi there should be an enable ssh configuration option that prompts you to set the ssh password. That way the vast majority of consumer users never have to worry about ssh being enabled or not and there's no default password to the phone to make it look bad security-wise. - Michael On Wed, 14 May 2008, George Brooke wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:03:45 +0100 andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct, the root account on the phone has a blank password, Maybe part of the getting started manual could include setting up pubkey authentication and disabling password logins (at least for the wifi maybe they could still be allowed over usb - not sure if that's possible). I think that the ip address is always the same to make using eth over usb simpler - the wifi should pickup its address from dhcp (or from a static config). solar.george Why not disable login as root? Seems pretty simple, and IMO a good practice in general. I assume logging in as foo user works as normal...? -- Stephen Shelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stephenashelton.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep
On 3/12/07, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Ole Tange napisał(a): If you are woken during periods of light sleep then you will feel more rested than if you are woken during deep sleep. To reliably identify when you are sleeping lightly we will need EEG. In a real life scenario that is not possible and it may be OK if the identification is not completely reliable. If we assume that you are more noisy (e.g. turning in you sleep) then we can use the noise level as indicator. I like the idea very much. I though about it a week ago! :-) You must know (and probably do about REM) the thing is, that the cycle with deep and shallow sleep takes about 1,5h. Optimal solution is to sleep during multiplies of 1,5h then you will wake up during shallow sleep and be more rested. My idea was to observe (by sounds and/or vision) sleeping person to guess when he/she fallen asleep. Then the 1,5h counter begins. Idea with ranges is awesome. I think a combination of this and controlling an external light source could manage to wake me up. No matter how loud the sound is, I would just continue to sleep... ignoring the alarm. I hope this sleep pattern detection is possible. If not, a mechanical lift under the top of the bed would help (lifting the bed up to 80 deg so you get on your feat), but I can't afford it. I hope there is somebody that can write an app for sleep state detection:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
Except for if music files, images etc. on the phone are owned by root, in which case we wouldn't be able to access them via ssh. On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 09:54 -0500, Stephen Shelton wrote: Why not disable login as root? Seems pretty simple, and IMO a good practice in general. I assume logging in as foo user works as normal...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
2008/5/14 Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Except for if music files, images etc. on the phone are owned by root, in which case we wouldn't be able to access them via ssh. On the contrary! 1. Disable root login via ssh. 2. Log in as a luser. 3. Su to root. -- http://dsource.org/projects/dmocks -- Mock objects and more for the D programming language ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep
Someting like this: http://www.axbo.com/ Hey, Freerunner has accelerometers, so tie the phone around your arm :-) On Wednesday 14 May 2008 17:19:38 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 3/12/07, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Ole Tange napisał(a): If you are woken during periods of light sleep then you will feel more rested than if you are woken during deep sleep. To reliably identify when you are sleeping lightly we will need EEG. In a real life scenario that is not possible and it may be OK if the identification is not completely reliable. If we assume that you are more noisy (e.g. turning in you sleep) then we can use the noise level as indicator. I like the idea very much. I though about it a week ago! :-) You must know (and probably do about REM) the thing is, that the cycle with deep and shallow sleep takes about 1,5h. Optimal solution is to sleep during multiplies of 1,5h then you will wake up during shallow sleep and be more rested. My idea was to observe (by sounds and/or vision) sleeping person to guess when he/she fallen asleep. Then the 1,5h counter begins. Idea with ranges is awesome. I think a combination of this and controlling an external light source could manage to wake me up. No matter how loud the sound is, I would just continue to sleep... ignoring the alarm. I hope this sleep pattern detection is possible. If not, a mechanical lift under the top of the bed would help (lifting the bed up to 80 deg so you get on your feat), but I can't afford it. I hope there is somebody that can write an app for sleep state detection:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
That would impede scp'ing said files... -- Stephen Shelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stephenashelton.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
Aha, of course. I didn't think about it properly (I blame lack of caffeine, a problem now solved). I was thinking about it as if logging in as root was disabled altogether. On a slightly related note... what is the hostname of the phone? Can it be set or is it going to be the same for all freerunners? Personally I would like to give my phone a name in fitting with all my other computers (so far I have descartes, sartre, turing). On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 11:32 -0400, Chris Wright wrote: 2008/5/14 Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Except for if music files, images etc. on the phone are owned by root, in which case we wouldn't be able to access them via ssh. On the contrary! 1. Disable root login via ssh. 2. Log in as a luser. 3. Su to root. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 17:32 +0200, Sven Klomp wrote: Hey, Freerunner has accelerometers, so tie the phone around your arm :-) Yeah, and until you get one, why not sleep in a microwave? =P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 17:32 +0200, Sven Klomp wrote: Hey, Freerunner has accelerometers, so tie the phone around your arm :-) Yeah, and until you get one, why not sleep in a microwave? =P Because microwaves put out 2.4ghz, I like my radiation at lower frequencies :p Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
Hi, That would impede scp'ing said files... security costs comfort ... that is the way it is. scp file freerunner:/tmp ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo cp /tmp/file /final/destination Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 10:58, George Brooke wrote: On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:03:45 +0100 andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct, the root account on the phone has a blank password, Maybe part of the getting started manual could include setting up pubkey authentication and disabling password logins (at least for the wifi maybe they could still be allowed over usb - not sure if that's possible). I think that the ip address is always the same to make using eth over usb simpler - the wifi should pickup its address from dhcp (or from a static config). solar.george This information is already on the wiki and has been there for a very long time. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Connecting_to_phone -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The most baffling part of the GTA02 Quickstart page...
Micheal have your daughter do a video for the page. ... is the MicroSD card. Having had my mitts on a pre-release GTA02 device for a bit and read this page (http://quickstart.openmoko.org/) and looked at the device (with great fear of damaging it), it took me a long time to successfully insert the MicroSD card. I got the SIM in ok, but that's much bigger and to my eyes much more scrutable. I've sent a photo to Michael, but it's kinda big to spam the list with since most don't have GTA02's yet, but for now. read section 4.5 as: The Micro-SD card holder is held in place by a latching finger on either side. It is easiest to open the Micro-SD card holder by releasing these fingers one at a time rather than by lifting from the middle, as lifting from the middle tends to increase the latching pressure. Use a small screwdriver or knife to *carefully* lift first one side then the other; the fingers are along the edge of the MicroSD slot nearest the center of the device. Be careful not to damage the contacts underneath here; the end where you're working doesn't contact the Micro-SD card contacts, but you don't want to short them out. Cheers Ian Darwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner...when??
steve wrote: Yes, A Sunday preview of my Monday update. Am I wrong or we didn't get any Monday update this week? :P Something more than a preview, Steve? :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner...when??
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 08:05:20PM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: steve wrote: Yes, A Sunday preview of my Monday update. Am I wrong or we didn't get any Monday update this week? :P Something more than a preview, Steve? :) Pulling up the carrot again? :) Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Are you the man who rules the Universe? Well, I --- try not to. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Funny Dialer
Not yet. I'll check with our PR person and see what the shelf date is. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas Martinez Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:08 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: Funny Dialer There is a link to that article?? --- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Lovely, I have just submitted an article to Innovation magazine highlighting the first case mod that was done. If you complete your mod, I'll see what I can do to showcase it on our website. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heikki Sørum Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:12 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Funny Dialer Actually, I'm dreaming of doing a serious Steam-punk mod of the freerunner case. Eg. create a circular watchlike case from the CAD files with typewriter keys and all the fancy steam-ish stuff. ;) Heikki Soerum. Den Mon, 12 May 2008 12:55:56 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: I love retro stuff. Michael and I were talking about sample apps for beginners and I thought it would be cool to to do a hello world dialer. get it? I know kinda dorky. Doing a remix of the old rotary dialer as a hello world app on the neo would be a neat hack. Neo would approve. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Breakable Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:06 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Funny Dialer I am positive you should have to turn the dialer manually for most user friendliness :D While hilarious this could become a killer feature to make a phone for the technologically challenged. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The most baffling part of the GTA02 Quickstart page...
Not to spam the list, but to add to the quickstart web page. It's perfect Ian. Your camera is much better than mine at closeups. Thanks Ian, Michael Ian Darwin wrote: Micheal have your daughter do a video for the page. ... is the MicroSD card. Having had my mitts on a pre-release GTA02 device for a bit and read this page (http://quickstart.openmoko.org/) and looked at the device (with great fear of damaging it), it took me a long time to successfully insert the MicroSD card. I got the SIM in ok, but that's much bigger and to my eyes much more scrutable. I've sent a photo to Michael, but it's kinda big to spam the list with since most don't have GTA02's yet, but for now. read section 4.5 as: The Micro-SD card holder is held in place by a latching finger on either side. It is easiest to open the Micro-SD card holder by releasing these fingers one at a time rather than by lifting from the middle, as lifting from the middle tends to increase the latching pressure. Use a small screwdriver or knife to *carefully* lift first one side then the other; the fingers are along the edge of the MicroSD slot nearest the center of the device. Be careful not to damage the contacts underneath here; the end where you're working doesn't contact the Micro-SD card contacts, but you don't want to short them out. Cheers Ian Darwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Software Status Update
Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out with a bare bones ( dialer/contact/sms) level of software functionality. My approach was simple. Give me a phone and a hello world dialer app and I will ship. By the time that phone lands in peoples paws, there will be a software update. I'll start to detail that new software in the next few weeks. Raster, can you address the enlightenment issue mentioned below. I'd just beclown myself if I tried. I'm hoping to get some stuff up on the wiki, but in due course. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Jon Booker Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:58 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Software Status On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:39:10 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I need to update everybody on software. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D Since the last time someone made some prodding was successful, may I ask for some official news on the software side? I'm guessing it's everything at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework (which that page says will be in alpha version next month) and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack (which really does raise the question of how Android is expected to fit into this, and what some of the new applications like illume, assassin, pidjin, etc really are). Or maybe it's the test cases and test reports being publicly posted? Btw, how deeply is enlightenment going to be involved in the OM software? Are applications going to need to be programmed with EFL to have a native look-and-feel on the Freerunner? Thanks, Joseph Booker ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
Guillaume Chereau : It worked on my computer, but I check again now and you are right : it uses the host header files. It just appends to work on my computer because I have all the header files in my host computer already (for example in your case I think you need to install the package libglib2.0-dev) Maybe there is a problem with the toolchain pkg-config ? - Gui Thank you friends, Right, We also found the problem after release. We should put pkg-config into meta-toolchain to solve it. John Lee is working this. :-) Cheers, -Julian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd have to ask why your music files and images are owned and readable only by root. Doesn't make much sense. You don't run your media player as root, do you? Config files should be chmod 640 to root, and certain executables as well, but content and such should be in the arena of normal users. And you WANT to inconvenience your users if they are trying to do something as insecure as logging in over ssh as root. I do hope that OM isn't set up to run everything as root by default... Mo Abrahams wrote: | Except for if music files, images etc. on the phone are owned by root, | in which case we wouldn't be able to access them via ssh. | | On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 09:54 -0500, Stephen Shelton wrote: | Why not disable login as root? Seems pretty simple, and IMO a good practice in | general. I assume logging in as foo user works as normal...? | | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | - -- ~Bradley Hook Education Systems Administrator Kansas State School for the Blind 1100 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66102 Voice: (913) 281-3308 ext. 363 Mobile: (913) 645-9958 Facsimile: (913) 281-3104 http://www.kssb.net ** Confidentiality Statement: This message and accompanying documents are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, and contain information intended for the specified individual(s) only. This information is confidential unless explicitly indicated otherwise. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by E-mail, and delete the original message. ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIKzNsdLuK9oP1lmYRAhJ5AKClESkNOFWFHFLAg0FP7hmY8vi7hgCffCOf j1eNnA6B51s0IBKejYaRcFA= =uHph -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Freerunner...when??
I gave a short update. Production is slated to start prior to May 16, I dont have an exact date, yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Freerunner...when?? steve wrote: Yes, A Sunday preview of my Monday update. Am I wrong or we didn't get any Monday update this week? :P Something more than a preview, Steve? :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? steve skrev: Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out with a bare bones ( dialer/contact/sms) level of software functionality. My approach was simple. Give me a phone and a hello world dialer app and I will ship. By the time that phone lands in peoples paws, there will be a software update. I'll start to detail that new software in the next few weeks. Raster, can you address the enlightenment issue mentioned below. I'd just beclown myself if I tried. I'm hoping to get some stuff up on the wiki, but in due course. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Jon Booker Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:58 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Software Status On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:39:10 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I need to update everybody on software. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D Since the last time someone made some prodding was successful, may I ask for some official news on the software side? I'm guessing it's everything at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework (which that page says will be in alpha version next month) and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack (which really does raise the question of how Android is expected to fit into this, and what some of the new applications like illume, assassin, pidjin, etc really are). Or maybe it's the test cases and test reports being publicly posted? Btw, how deeply is enlightenment going to be involved in the OM software? Are applications going to need to be programmed with EFL to have a native look-and-feel on the Freerunner? Thanks, Joseph Booker ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API
Afaik yes On 5/14/08, Vinc Duran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ron, Is the Dash in the blog the same as the Dash Express on the dash.net site? Vinc On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API It's sorta funny, but nobody here says a word about Dash, the Freerunner's red-haired step-sister device, OEM'd from FIC as I understand things. Latest Dash news: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/13/dash-opens-up-apis-for-its-gps-device-to-outside-developers/ -- Ron K. Jeffries Twitter @RonKJeffries mobile 805 567 4670 http://blog.eronj.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OpenMoko/iSCSI Initiator builds available for v2.6.24
Micheal, Get this out to the other folks who have a pre release phone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas A. Bellinger Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:13 AM To: OpenMoko Kernel List; openmoko-devel; List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Michael Shiloh; Sean Moss-Pultz Subject: OpenMoko/iSCSI Initiator builds available for v2.6.24 Greetings all, I spent some time this morning getting the OpenMoko/iSCSI Initiator (client) builds running on sample GTA02 hardware. So far iSCSI traffic across Wifi and GPRS is running, and appears stable with a small (2 GB) Ext3 volume mounted remotely from PS3-Linux iSCSI Target FILEIO object (eg: the server). So far, I am able to playback mp3s using the media player over iSCSI/Wifi on the Freerunner, and added some WAN specific tuning to core-iscsi that has been included into the first builds so interested folks can start to test iSCSI/GPRS immediately. I will be providing additional setup information updates on the wiki in the very near future, so please stay tuned. I have started a wiki entry (including first screenshot) http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/OpenMoko_Freerunner The .ipk are available from: http://linux-iscsi.org/builds/openmoko/freerunner/core-iscsi/ The Freerunner is connected to Playstation3/iSCSI running LIO-Target: http://linux-iscsi.org/index.php/LIO-Target Which should give you an idea of the types of iSCSI targets that a Freerunner can be connected to. :-) --nab ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't even start until about May 16th... plus whatever timeline he previously mentioned for any final work to get things verified and packaged and shipped to California at which point Steve will open the web store and we can all start ordering our phones. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
May 16th are in this week But okey, just have to wait a little longer then ian douglas skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't even start until about May 16th... plus whatever timeline he previously mentioned for any final work to get things verified and packaged and shipped to California at which point Steve will open the web store and we can all start ordering our phones. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
Yup. It'll be a few weeks, for testing, packaging, etc. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? steve skrev: Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out with a bare bones ( dialer/contact/sms) level of software functionality. My approach was simple. Give me a phone and a hello world dialer app and I will ship. By the time that phone lands in peoples paws, there will be a software update. I'll start to detail that new software in the next few weeks. Raster, can you address the enlightenment issue mentioned below. I'd just beclown myself if I tried. I'm hoping to get some stuff up on the wiki, but in due course. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Jon Booker Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:58 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Software Status On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:39:10 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I need to update everybody on software. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Reichel Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve? the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany, where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D Since the last time someone made some prodding was successful, may I ask for some official news on the software side? I'm guessing it's everything at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework (which that page says will be in alpha version next month) and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack (which really does raise the question of how Android is expected to fit into this, and what some of the new applications like illume, assassin, pidjin, etc really are). Or maybe it's the test cases and test reports being publicly posted? Btw, how deeply is enlightenment going to be involved in the OM software? Are applications going to need to be programmed with EFL to have a native look-and-feel on the Freerunner? Thanks, Joseph Booker ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
May 16th is the earliest for production. Production != shipping -Steven On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May 16th are in this week But okey, just have to wait a little longer then ian douglas skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't even start until about May 16th... plus whatever timeline he previously mentioned for any final work to get things verified and packaged and shipped to California at which point Steve will open the web store and we can all start ordering our phones. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
Julian wrote: Guillaume Chereau : It worked on my computer, but I check again now and you are right : it uses the host header files. It just appends to work on my computer because I have all the header files in my host computer already (for example in your case I think you need to install the package libglib2.0-dev) Maybe there is a problem with the toolchain pkg-config ? - Gui Thank you friends, Right, We also found the problem after release. We should put pkg-config into meta-toolchain to solve it. John Lee is working this. :-) Cheers, -Julian Great work Julian. I tested your script earlier and it worked fine for me, but I understand now why. I haven't yet changed my quickstart web page to your new recipe. I'll refer to this on the quickstart web page as soon as the changes are made. and confirmed. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
Dirk Deimeke wrote: security costs comfort ... that is the way it is. scp file freerunner:/tmp ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo cp /tmp/file /final/destination Well, you can always login via SSH as a root... Then I generally use SSH using both konqueror kio and Gnome gvfs and I don't lose any comfort! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Quickstart web page my first manual readed before product release
Since I was a young wannabe I like to read manuals, I allways remember my first full specification readding at 13 years reading the full Epson ms-dos manuals (full command list especification included) 1 night before I can even start my first computer (an 8086) because (damn it!) my family decided to go to soup that evening with my uncles... Now I am a old an experienced wannabe and I cannot remember any other tech doc than make me feel so near again this first geek experience (near to drop a tear here) Here again reading about manage something desired but not even (but so near ) in you hands. Michael in the chapter 7 is written [...] Note that updating the root file system will erase any data you have added, such as contacts or calendar information.[...] some tar -cvzf backupneopimdata.tar.gz watever/the/pims/apps/save/the/information will be apreciated here to be able to restore this info after an update. Some more sophisticated backup solutions can be added lately as long as their are implemented and will be ok to add a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup directly when this part has been developed. - LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
I like it It is really pretty design and concept Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: steve wrote: It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out with a bare bones ( dialer/contact/sms) level of software functionality. Do you mean something like this [1] (flash player required)? Since it's so cool! :P Bye! [1] http://tinyurl.com/65zn6e -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community - Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't know why, but it seems, as this is just done at this time. The playlist of the mediaplayer is stored in the directory of root. Greetings Bastian Bradley Hook schrieb: | I'd have to ask why your music files and images are owned and readable | only by root. Doesn't make much sense. You don't run your media player | as root, do you? Config files should be chmod 640 to root, and certain | executables as well, but content and such should be in the arena of | normal users. And you WANT to inconvenience your users if they are | trying to do something as insecure as logging in over ssh as root. I do | hope that OM isn't set up to run everything as root by default... | | Mo Abrahams wrote: | | Except for if music files, images etc.ÿ on the phone are owned by root, | | in which case we wouldn't be able to access them via ssh. | | | | On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 09:54 -0500, Stephen Shelton wrote: | | Why not disable login as root? Seems pretty simple, and IMO a good | practice in | | general. I assume logging in as foo user works as normal...? | | | | | | | | ___ | | Openmoko community mailing list | | community@lists.openmoko.org | | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | | | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIK2hhlYiDScJJ+7QRAkyjAKD03mocwiwjjox1SUn9oIJUy9711QCgyXHB cGUFWHjsoIPiw1nZUQ0ySDo= =OhHe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:36:44 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Raster, can you address the enlightenment issue mentioned below. I'd just beclown myself if I tried. ... Since the last time someone made some prodding was successful, may I ask for some official news on the software side? I'm guessing it's everything at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework (which that page says will be in alpha version next month) and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack (which really does raise the question of how Android is expected to fit into this, and what some of the new applications like illume, assassin, pidjin, etc really are). Or maybe it's the test cases and test reports being publicly posted? Btw, how deeply is enlightenment going to be involved in the OM software? Are applications going to need to be programmed with EFL to have a native look-and-feel on the Freerunner? as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to its look and feel currently. gtk does ship on the device. choose the toolkit you like. i really do not like the whole mindset of we must program in language X or use toolkit Y because the device happens to use it somewhere in some apps by default. it's a limiting view of the world. use what you work best with. EFL is good for doing custom UI's (like WM's, media centers even filemanagers etc.). it's less strong at standard boring run-of-the-mill widgets but can do it fairly easily. qt is good for standard widget sets if u like c++. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quickstart web page my first manual readed before product release
0n Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:53:13PM +0200, David Samblas Martinez wrote: Since I was a young wannabe I like to read manuals, I allways remember my first full specification readding at 13 years reading the full Epson ms-dos manuals (full command list especification included) 1 night before I can even start my first computer (an 8086) because (damn it!) my family decided to go to soup that evening with my uncles... Now I am a old an experienced wannabe and I cannot remember any other tech doc than make me feel so near again this first geek experience (near to drop a tear here) Here again reading about manage something desired but not even (but so near ) in you hands. And where may you be reading this from ? -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quickstart web page my first manual readed before product release
David Samblas Martinez wrote: Since I was a young wannabe I like to read manuals, I allways remember my first full specification readding at 13 years reading the full Epson ms-dos manuals (full command list especification included) 1 night before I can even start my first computer (an 8086) because (damn it!) my family decided to go to soup that evening with my uncles... Now I am a old an experienced wannabe and I cannot remember any other tech doc than make me feel so near again this first geek experience (near to drop a tear here) Here again reading about manage something desired but not even (but so near ) in you hands. Michael in the chapter 7 is written [...] Note that updating the root file system will erase any data you have added, such as contacts or calendar information. [...] some tar -cvzf backupneopimdata.tar.gz watever/the/pims/apps/save/the/information will be apreciated here to be able to restore this info after an update. Some more sophisticated backup solutions can be added lately as long as their are implemented and will be ok to add a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup directly when this part has been developed. Hey David, That's a great idea. Thanks! I'll add it. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
Hi, Well, you can always login via SSH as a root... if this is configured ... You can not login as root on any of my machines, you can not even login with a bare password. But everyone can use the level of security he wants. Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quickstart web page my first manual readed before product release
Michael Shiloh wrote: David Samblas Martinez wrote: Since I was a young wannabe I like to read manuals, I allways remember my first full specification readding at 13 years reading the full Epson ms-dos manuals (full command list especification included) 1 night before I can even start my first computer (an 8086) because (damn it!) my family decided to go to soup that evening with my uncles... Now I am a old an experienced wannabe and I cannot remember any other tech doc than make me feel so near again this first geek experience (near to drop a tear here) Here again reading about manage something desired but not even (but so near ) in you hands. Michael in the chapter 7 is written [...] Note that updating the root file system will erase any data you have added, such as contacts or calendar information. [...] some tar -cvzf backupneopimdata.tar.gz watever/the/pims/apps/save/the/information will be apreciated here to be able to restore this info after an update. Some more sophisticated backup solutions can be added lately as long as their are implemented and will be ok to add a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup directly when this part has been developed. Hey David, That's a great idea. Thanks! I'll add it. Michael Actually, what would be even a better idea is if we made sure we save nothing to the root file system. This is fairly common practice with embedded devices (where you usually use the root file system as a cramfs/squashfs image, which is mounted read only). The main advantage of the single file notion is an upgrade path that is smooth. With a single file filesystem you don't get partial upgrades and other [EMAIL PROTECTED]@!# that tends to screw up the end user. It is not as fun for developers, because changing anything requires going back to the dev env and regenerating the image, but it is much more end users friendly. Maybe for the consumer edition? Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
