Neo 1973 sales

2008-05-21 Thread Kosa
Hi everyone, does anybody know the aproximate quantity of 1973 Neos were sold in every country? I mean, according to the article sent by Samuel [1] Germany was the country that bought more Neos, but I don't know how many did they (or you) bought. I don't even know how many of them were

Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread Erland Lewin
I think the shipping from the US to Europe (I think it was on the order of $70-120) will make it much more expensive to order single units from the US than from a European reseller. And you would probably get a better guarantee from a European reseller. /Erland

Re: Neo 1973 sales

2008-05-21 Thread Joachim Steiger
Kosa wrote: Hi everyone, does anybody know the aproximate quantity of 1973 Neos were sold in every country? I mean, according to the article sent by Samuel [1] Germany was the country that bought more Neos, but I don't know how many did they (or you) bought. I don't even know how many

Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread Philippe Guillebert
Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: Then it is probably time to ask the question: from a european user perspective, will it be better to place (single-unit) orders directly at Openmoko via the website or go via Pulster (official distributor no?)? Hey, About distribution in Europe : Bearstech ( [French]

Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread NeoSleg
On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:53:29 +0200, Philippe Guillebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: Then it is probably time to ask the question: from a european user perspective, will it be better to place (single-unit) orders directly at Openmoko via the website or go via Pulster

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, Sorry, but couldn't resist. Top 5 things you _shouldn't_ do when waiting for the FreeRunner: 5. Troll at #openmoko on irc.freenode.net. 4. Keep writing FreeRunner - Thank You e-mails to FIC, Openmoko developers, and the community. 3. Ask GTK+ developers about Qt, and vice-versa. 2. Call

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Michele Renda
I don't think they hate so much the point 4 ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

RE: Switch from GTK to QT (was: ASU software - pre-pre-releaseimpressions)

2008-05-21 Thread Sander van Grieken
It is an extra magnitude of difficulty to get anything more then a few developers to code in a consistent style when working with C++. Requires strict discipline and coding standards. Without such things, it all de-generates at a rate proportianal to the number of developers and amount of

[Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Holger Freyther wrote: To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from three to two. This means we only use subversion and git for now. I have moved the Openembedded metadata from monotone to git. ... An updated MokoMakefile will, thanks to Rod, follow shortly.

Re: Standardizing data store across toolkits (SMS, PIM data, playlist, etc)

2008-05-21 Thread Samuel Melrose
Hey, Sorry to stick my nose in on this, especially if I'm missing something. But do you guys have anything decided about this, and what it is all going to be stored on? May I suggest using SQLite for the data storage? It is very lightweight, not much ram or processor use needed, unlike

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Tom Cooksey
On Wednesday 21 May 2008 10:19:49 Rod Whitby wrote: Holger Freyther wrote: To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from three to two. This means we only use subversion and git for now. I have moved the Openembedded metadata from monotone to git. ... An updated

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
On Wednesday, 21. May 2008, Tom Cooksey wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2008 10:19:49 Rod Whitby wrote: Holger Freyther wrote: To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from three to two. This means we only use subversion and git for now. I have moved the Openembedded

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Mo Abrahams
What does the clobber bit do? On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 17:49 +0930, Rod Whitby wrote: Holger Freyther wrote: To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from three to two. This means we only use subversion and git for now. I have moved the Openembedded metadata from

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Tom Cooksey
On Wednesday 21 May 2008 13:13:33 Roland Häder wrote: On Wednesday, 21. May 2008, Tom Cooksey wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2008 10:19:49 Rod Whitby wrote: Holger Freyther wrote: To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from three to two. This means we only use

PIN secured?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
I have already started a discussing in the Wiki about this topic: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Wish_List_-_Hardware#PIN_secured.3F So what do you think? And does the FreeRunner already have PINs/PUKs to be secured against long fingers? Best whishes, Roland -- (GNU) PGP ID: 0x4D385570

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
Ahhh... Much better. :) Now let's see if I can run a make update all... -- (GNU) PGP ID: 0x4D385570 Weblog: http://blog.mxchange.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
Ahhh... Much better. :) Now let's see if I can run a make update all... And thanks a lot. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: PIN secured?

2008-05-21 Thread Daniel Selinger
On Wed, 21 May 2008 14:11:16 +0200 Roland Häder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have already started a discussing in the Wiki about this topic: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Wish_List_-_Hardware#PIN_secured.3F So what do you think? And does the FreeRunner already have PINs/PUKs to be

Fwd: PIN secured?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
I have added it to hardware because it could be (maybe) integrated into the hardware and shall come up before u-boot launches the kernel. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Tom Cooksey wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2008 10:19:49 Rod Whitby wrote: Holger Freyther wrote: To unify our tools we have reduced the number of SCMs to learn from three to two. This means we only use subversion and git for now. I have moved the Openembedded metadata from monotone to git. ...

Re: [Announcement] MokoMakefile updated for switch to git

2008-05-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Mo Abrahams wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 17:49 +0930, Rod Whitby wrote: MokoMakefile has been updated, tested by a couple of people, and now published. You will need to run make clobber update-makefile before proceeding in the usual way ... What does the clobber bit do? It removes the

Re: Switch from GTK to QT (was: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions)

2008-05-21 Thread Nkoli
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My complaint is that it would be difficult for me to put my hands into the default apps. They are C++, QT, and expectedly using enough of those creepy C++-isms (possibly, even those yecchy templates or whereabouts). I

Re: Standardizing data store across toolkits (SMS, PIM data, playlist, etc)

2008-05-21 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 21 May 2008 12:04:40 Samuel Melrose wrote: Sorry to stick my nose in on this, especially if I'm missing something. But do you guys have anything decided about this, and what it is all going to be stored on? May I suggest using SQLite for the data storage? It is very lightweight,

Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started

2008-05-21 Thread nickd
I don't think so Alex. Steve said that he all he wanted to ship was a phone that could send messages and make calls and he would be happy for now. I'm sure there will be software for this purpose soon if not created already. -Nick Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Tue, May 20, 2008 at 01:42:12PM

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread nickd
And #2. They love hearing your continuous interest in the constant requests for status updates. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. Michele Renda wrote: I don't think they hate so much the point 4 ... ___

Perl/Tk

2008-05-21 Thread Joseph Reeves
Dear all, I'm looking for some help getting Perl/Tk installed. I've had success getting Python installed and working with Tk, but can't get the same to happen with Perl: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# perl -MTk -e 1 Can't locate loadable object for module Tk::Event in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Dirk Deimeke
Hi, And #2. They love hearing your continuous interest in the constant requests for status updates. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. if you make an announcement for a particular date, you have to live with people asking, when the date passed by. If you

Re: PIN secured?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
On Wednesday, 21. May 2008, Daniel Selinger wrote: Afaik PIN and PUK are security mechanisms built into every GSM SIM-Card, you also get them shipped with the SIM, not the Phone. So i think the Freerunner _has to_ implement PIN and PUK for even accessing the SIM in it. rgds Daniel Ahh,

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Michele Renda
They love listening you writing so... The #4 was to receive email writing thank you! nickd wrote: And #2. They love hearing your continuous interest in the constant requests for status updates. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. Michele Renda wrote: I don't

Re: Switch from GTK to QT (was: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions)

2008-05-21 Thread Chris Wright
2008/5/21 Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My complaint is that it would be difficult for me to put my hands into the default apps. They are C++, QT, and expectedly using enough of those creepy C++-isms (possibly, even those

RE: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Crane, Matthew
I think I saw some proballys and some shoulds but I don't remember any announcements. Was there an official announcment? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Deimeke Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:06 AM To: List for Openmoko

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
For the rest I am in accord to don't press them to ask always when it will come out... When it's done. ;) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Michele Renda
Roland Häder wrote: For the rest I am in accord to don't press them to ask always when it will come out... When it's done. ;) When your wife is waiting for a child, I don't think the houseband ask: when it will come out? Why it is not already out ? :)

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Dirk Deimeke
Hi, I think I saw some proballys and some shoulds but I don't remember any announcements. maybe, but a concrete date was given. Was there an official announcment? Everything, a member of the company writes, is official ... Sorry, but we are all waiting for several months now. Several

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Michele Renda
Dirk Deimeke wrote: maybe, but a concrete date was given. I don't want to start a flame, so I will try to troll less as possible. They give different dates, but they always told us that are only indicative. If they will found a stopping problem in what they produce,they will stop

RE: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread steve
ha I liked that one. I think some folks here have never done mass pro. are we there yet dad? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Renda Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:54 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re:

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Roland Häder
Hi Michele, On Wednesday, 21. May 2008, Michele Renda wrote: When your wife is waiting for a child, I don't think the houseband ask: when it will come out? Why it is not already out ? :) Probably he will not ask it. ;) In my view OpenMoko should take time in testing it. And as you can see on

clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

2008-05-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The important facts are that the new software: * Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17) * Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is

RE: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread steve
Thanks roland. The hardware is solid. it's moving through mass production. the final signoffs are in process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland Häder Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:02 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion

RE: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread steve
well first the hardware group has to have a baby. then the software groups has to have quintuplets ( multiple releases) then the factory has to clone the baby and make it just so perfect. baby's are easier and more fun to make. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users getstarted

2008-05-21 Thread steve
I do not believe that it will sync to outlook. However, explain exactly what you want to do. get your outlook contacts, mail and appointments to the phone? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilkinson, Alex Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008

RE: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread steve
ya, that's what figured doing a few calculations. That said, I did not calculate this for everyone in every country. so YMMV _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erland Lewin Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:43 PM To: List for Openmoko community

RE: Neo 1973 sales

2008-05-21 Thread steve
oh, it was about a 50/50 split between US and EU and within the EU it was germany and scandanavia, with germany being the lions portion. So per capitia ( no I didn't do the actual calculation) germany was I guess the biggest market. From my perspective that tells me to get a german partner

ASU: Qtopia PIM info stored in sqlite database

2008-05-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Lorn Potter wrote: Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database. Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is stored or is that not Qtopia determined? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread Michele Renda
Hi Steve I am helping to organize an Italian Sales Group - Torino. I know is a bit too much early to ask this, but it will be usefull to know which company will deliver FreeRunner ordered direct from USA by OpenMoko shop. Here we are frontier tax and it'd like to contact them to know how much

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Travis Tabbal
So mass production has not yet started? Still getting signoffs? Just checking to make sure I'm understanding your properly. :) On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:55 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks roland. The hardware is solid. it's moving through mass production. the final signoffs are in

Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
Bonjour! Tiens tiens... voilà une adresse email qui me rappelle quelque chose; bien que je n'ai pas remis les pieds a l'école depuis un sacré bout de temps. (Ouf, déjà...!) Merci pour le lien vers le revendeur local en tout cas. Rodolphe Ortalo (1994) ;-) Le mercredi 21 mai 2008 à 08:53

Re:clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

2008-05-21 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Michael Shiloh writes: I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The important facts are that the new software: * Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17) * Ported

Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

2008-05-21 Thread Matthew Peterson
Special Agent Michael Shiloh reported at 12:45 05/21/08: I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The important facts are that the new software: * Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is possible to

Re: echo (was: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions)

2008-05-21 Thread Arnout Engelen
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 07:19:34PM -0700, Mike Montour wrote: In my tests the echo went away when I muted the Neo's speaker or microphone, so it did not seem to be a network issue. The audio coupling between the Neo's speaker and microphone can be measured independently of the GSM stuff,

Re: ASU: Qtopia PIM info stored in sqlite database

2008-05-21 Thread Lorn Potter
On Thursday 22 May 2008 08:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database. Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is stored or is that not Qtopia determined? The users database is /home/user/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite --

Re: ASU: Qtopia PIM info stored in sqlite database

2008-05-21 Thread Ian Darwin
Michael Shiloh wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database. Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is stored or is that not Qtopia determined? This would seem to be four sqlite databases: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cd / [EMAIL

Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
Rodolphe Ortalo ha scritto: Bonjour! Tiens tiens... voilà une adresse email qui me rappelle quelque chose; bien que je n'ai pas remis les pieds a l'école depuis un sacré bout de temps. (Ouf, déjà...!) Merci pour le lien vers le revendeur local en tout cas. Rodolphe Ortalo (1994) ;-)

Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK

2008-05-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:51:47 +0200 Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi Michael, I think you and your team are doing a courageous but good choose. I ask only that if in the future this choose will limit Openmoko openess, you will protect us! A lot of people that are afraid that

Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions

2008-05-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:36:30 -0400 Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 19 May 2008 10:27:25 -0400 Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2) The ASU software features a qwerty-keyboard. It is switchable between alphabetics and numerics;

Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions

2008-05-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:26:55 -0500 Jeremy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Speaking of needing a sharp nail or the stylus to type easily on the keypad does that mean there is no support for turning the freerunner on its side and the keyboard flipping and enlarging, like say the iphone does?

Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto: Rodolphe Ortalo ha scritto: Bonjour! Tiens tiens... voilà une adresse email qui me rappelle quelque chose; bien que je n'ai pas remis les pieds a l'école depuis un sacré bout de temps. (Ouf, déjà...!) Merci pour le lien vers le revendeur local en tout cas.

Re: Europe Distribution

2008-05-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 22 May 2008 00:47:17 +0200 Pietro \m0nt0\ Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Rodolphe Ortalo ha scritto: Bonjour! Tiens tiens... voilà une adresse email qui me rappelle quelque chose; bien que je n'ai pas remis les pieds a l'école depuis un sacré bout de temps. (Ouf,

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 13:32 +0530, Shakthi Kannan wrote: Sorry, but couldn't resist. Top 5 things you _shouldn't_ do when waiting for the FreeRunner: [...] 1. Reply to this e-mail. OH SHI- Sorry, but couldn't resist. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Dirk Deimeke
Hi Michele, I agree with what you wrote. But in the end it is about earning money. It is not good to lose potential customers with announcements of probabilities. So again, what hinders production? Openmoko but to learn to be open. It will take time, but is doing a lot. This is main point I

Re: ASU: Qtopia PIM info stored in sqlite database

2008-05-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Thanks Lorn Lorn Potter wrote: On Thursday 22 May 2008 08:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database. Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is stored or is that not Qtopia determined? The users database is

Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

2008-05-21 Thread Mischa Beitz
Steve, Not to be a pest or anything, but . . . any chance I can go to Suzhou to get one of these when they're ready? Any response appreciated. Mischa -- Mischa Beitz http://mischa.beitz.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list