Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
Hi Dirk, If the Freerunner is only about earning money, I think I will buy another phone, not FR that is neither Umts. Openmoko is not doing charity, but he want to follow some principles. In these principles there is also the choose to show us a part of internal process. If he was interested only to earn money I think that they will do the NDA for graphical chip, they will give no news untill the phone was ready so there was no customer loss, they will not show us any bug that they found in the hardware ... in a few of words they will be as Nokia or Motorola. They decided to be different: I think we must not to complain than if they are different from Nokia and Motorola! All the best also to you :) Dirk Deimeke wrote: Hi Michele, I agree with what you wrote. But in the end it is about earning money. It is not good to lose potential customers with announcements of probabilities. So again, what hinders production? Openmoko but to learn to be open. It will take time, but is doing a lot. This is main point I think. All the best Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
On Thursday 22 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The important facts are that the new software: * Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17) * Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is possible to run Qtopia, GTK, ELF, and Python applications all at the same time Actually, Trolltech had done most of the 'porting' to X11 work already. * Replaced the GTK-based basic phone suite (dialer, contacts, SMS) with ones based on Qtopia I hope this better explains the situation. Regards, Michael (Full posting at http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-up date/) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Rodolphe Ortalo ha scritto: Bonjour! [...] Well i'm glad to see that you can talk french but this is a public ml and not everybody know frenc (me for example) so i (and other people) can't understand anything of what you said. So please talk in english, imagine what could happend if the asian people will stop writing in with our letter and start to write in chinese with their ideograms (i like them but i can't understand nothing)... Hello, Sorry about that - I guess this message was intended to me only. By the way, Openmoko seems to be a catalyst for finding fellow geeks : Rodolphe diplomed in the same engineering school (Supélec) as I did ; I also got news of an old friend I had lost contact with for 5 years... There's a French saying about that : Le monde est petit :) (World's a small place) -- Phyce ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switch from GTK to QT (was: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions)
Subject: Re: Switch from GTK to QT (was: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions) Date: mer 21 mag 08 09:22:38 -0400 Quoting Nkoli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My complaint is that it would be difficult for me to put my hands into the default apps. They are C++, QT, and expectedly using enough of those creepy C++-isms (possibly, even those yecchy templates or whereabouts). I would be comfortable with tinkering with CGTK main apps. On the other hand, I would find C++QT main apps closed boxes (I perfectly know that I could very well write C/Ruby new code on the OM). From this statement, one would think that you don't use _any_ applications written in C++ or Qt for the simple reason that you can't tinker with the code. I am sure this is not the case. You use the applications written in C++/Qt and play with those written in the languages you're comfortable with or you write your own from scratch. I do not use any Qt app (Qt not installed on any of my PC's). My XFCE setup is satisfactory as it is. I do use C++-written apps (starting with dear old Groff). No need to modify them, though. But you do not see the point. The cutting point of OM is that I can (rather, could) finely adapt the core phone applications to my many quirks. If I cannot do this, well, no reason to substitute my old palm, which goes on giving me the phone/pim services I need (all this, with a QWERTY keyboard and long battery time). Refusing to get the phone because you dislike the languages the shipped apps are written in, not because it prevents anyone from coding in the languages they prefer or that any of the applications are proprietary is beyond ridiculous. You appear to have a very low ridiculousness threshold. Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problems building pth
Hiya, I have been having problems with pth for some time (at least a month). I've held off posting, hoping it would get fixed before I needed a build. Sadly, I need a build for next week and it is still failing with: pth_mctx.c:476:2: error: #error Unsupported Linux (g)libc version and/or platform Any help in fixing this would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
On Thu, 22 May 2008 15:58:43 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Thursday 22 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The important facts are that the new software: * Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17) * Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is possible to run Qtopia, GTK, ELF, and Python applications all at the same time Actually, Trolltech had done most of the 'porting' to X11 work already. indeed - though it has needed much loving so it behaves normally or even optimally in x when you have a window manager... :) * Replaced the GTK-based basic phone suite (dialer, contacts, SMS) with ones based on Qtopia I hope this better explains the situation. Regards, Michael (Full posting at http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-up date/) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
On Wednesday 21 May 2008 21:45:37 Michael Shiloh wrote: * Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is possible to run Qtopia, GTK, ELF, and Python applications all at the same time Hmmm... Just wondering if anyone has seen this: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/05/13/introducing-qgtkstyle/ Basically Jens has written a Qt4 style which will use the current GTK+ theme to draw stuff. I think it might be useful on OpenMoko because it has the potential to give the Qtopia/X11 apps the same look feel as the GTK+ apps. Just a thought! Cheers, Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
What to say, I hope it will be a success, because I'd like to buy a GTAn with n-inf. :) Dirk Deimeke wrote: Hi Michele, yes, it is not only about money. But it is not only about free software. I am still waiting for the phone because I really like the philosophy attached to the phone. But I fear that this could be a one-shot if there is no financial success. Please keep in mind, that the greatest financial successes in history of business were seldom the technical best solutions (for example video formats, Video2000 and Betamax were both better as VHS from a technical point of view). Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Philippe Guillebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Rodolphe Ortalo ha scritto: Bonjour! [...] What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Perl/Tk
El Wednesday, 21 de May de 2008 16:00:58 Joseph Reeves va escriure: Dear all, I'm looking for some help getting Perl/Tk installed. I've had success getting Python installed and working with Tk, but can't get the same to happen with Perl: I'm tryiing hve a functional CPAN module for the neo. I suspect that CPAND is not working in the neo dues to busybox gzip interface. Almost all perl-modules ipks in the openmoko repositories (official or not) are part of the perl core modules.Tk is not a Perl core component. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# perl -MTk -e 1 Can't locate loadable object for module Tk::Event in @INC (@INC It needs de perl-module-tk it could be compiled with mokomakefile or whith bitbake there are recipes in monotone.openembedded.org. as shown in http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-April/005099.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Mapless GPS
Randall Munroe, the author of XKCD, suggests an excellent idea: http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/20/gps-cyborg-implant/ Simply put, it's a GPS navigator that only repeatedly gives you the direction towards the target (in “three o'clock” style) and the distance to it, without using any maps at all. It probably won't help you in a maze of twisty passages all alike, but should be good enough when navigating in a city or suburb where roads are made to enable you to reach places. This has a lot of advantages: * Dead simple to implement. * Doesn't require display. This allows to save power (usually GPS navigators have to keep the screen backlight on all the way) and use a headset to speak directions -- especially useful for cyclists. * Doesn't require maps that are often expensive (especially routable ones), are in proprietary formats, get outdated, use a lot of memory or require a persistent internet connection. Only a one-time access to Google Maps or alike is necessary to obtain the target coordinates; or they can be saved from the current location of the device, sent to each other in SMS etc. * Equally suitable for drivers, cyclists and pedestrians. * Doesn't insist on taking you blocked roads it doesn't know about. * Makes following the directions more interesting because you actually make decisions and don't feel following directions like a robot. * You get a chance to learn different roads and the way they connect instead of just taking the same path every time (important for the “navigation idiots” like myself who doesn't ever leave home without their GPS navigator). * The idea can be easily extended to more complex cases, like having several targets and having the user, not the machine, make decisions as to in which order to visit them; having two OM users find each other by getting directions towards each other's location; taking note of the routes the user follows, comparing them by distance travelled and duration and giving hints like “last time you turned right here”; etc. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Join the Embedded and Mobile Day at Akademy 2008, August 12, Belgium
Hello, In the time honored tradition of the KDE community we organize special side-events during our yearly World Summit. A big part of the mind share in the Open Source world the past year has gone to Mobile and Embedded platforms; where the technical and Freedom aspects seem to favor our preferred software development model over proprietary methods. This is the reason why the EmSys research group and KDE organize this meeting of interested parties in the context of the major community event, Akademy 2008. The Embedded and Mobile Day will feature several talks and a closing panel discussion about the achievements and opportunities of Open Desktop and other Open Source projects in the Small Form-Factor world. The presentations should be oriented towards an audience knowledgeable about embedded development, not the general KDE developers. Meanwhile KDE and other Open Source hackers will be testing consumer devices and the desktop applications they are meant to interface with during a plugfest, for which anyone is most welcome to provide hardware contributions. Topics can include, but are in no way limited to: * Embedded Linux * Mobile and integrated GUI's * System Integration * Embedded Development tools and distro's * Innovation based on Open Source and Open Desktop technology More details on the website at http://akademy.kde.org/events/emmobile.php . Visit http://akademy2008.kde.org for info about Akademy 2008. This is your chance to contribute and share your ideas, project or demonstrations by sending a topic proposal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] before June 16th. Feel free to forward this email to as many people as possible. Bart Cerneels [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: Stecchino on freenode Akademy 2008 organizer First point of contact for everything venue related cellphone +32496100633 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
2008/5/22 Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Simply put, it's a GPS navigator that only repeatedly gives you the direction towards the target (in three o'clock style) and the distance to it, without using any maps at all. It probably won't help you in a maze of twisty passages all alike, but should be good enough when navigating in a city or suburb where roads are made to enable you to reach places. this could be a cool and very simple way of implementing the real-life pacman game we talked about a couple of weeks back. pacman could have his gps coords constantly interpreted as a series of directions and distances, fed to the earpieces of the ghosts, who then have to find him ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
Also spracht Michele Renda (Wed, 21 May 2008 22:51:47 +0200): A lot of people that are afraid that Nokia, as owner of Trolltech, can be against Openmoko freedom, but I think you are not stupid and you know what are you doing. Nokia makes money out of handsets, not software. Who knows? They may be watching OM very closely, hoping it will be the thing that finally allows them to use a more open platform, networks be damned ;-)n best, Lalo Martins -- So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable. - http://lalomartins.info/ GNU: never give up freedom http://www.gnu.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
On Thursday, 22. May 2008, Steven Le Roux wrote: What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) As I have read here in mailing list, TriSoft, Germany will do it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
I'ts a great idea, is like a compass but with a selectable north :)--- El jue, 22/5/08, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:De: Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED]Asunto: Mapless GPSPara: "List for OpenMoko community discussion" community@lists.openmoko.orgFecha: jueves, 22 mayo, 2008 12:27Randall Munroe, the author of XKCD, suggests an excellent idea:http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/20/gps-cyborg-implant/Simply put, it's a GPS navigator that only repeatedly gives you the direction towards the target (in “three o'clock” style) and thedistance to it, without using any maps at all. It probably won't help you in a maze of twisty passages all alike, but should be good enough when navigating in a city or suburb where roads are made to enable you to reach places.This has a lot of advantages:* Dead simple to implement.* Doesn't require display. This allows to save power (usually GPS navigators have to keep the screen backlight on all the way) and use a headset to speak directions -- especially useful for cyclists.* Doesn't require maps that are often expensive (especially routable ones), are in proprietary formats, get outdated, use a lot of memory or require a persistent internet connection. Only a one-time access to Google Maps or alike is necessary to obtain the target coordinates; or they can be saved from the current location of the device, sent to each other in SMS etc.* Equally suitable for drivers, cyclists and pedestrians.* Doesn't insist on taking you blocked roads it doesn't know about.* Makes following the directions more interesting because you actually make decisions and don't feel following directions like a robot.* You get a chance to learn different roads and the way they connect instead of just taking the same path every time (important for the “navigation idiots” like myself who doesn't ever leave home withouttheir GPS navigator).* The idea can be easily extended to more complex cases, like having several targets and having the user, not the machine, make decisions as to in which order to visit them; having two OM users find each other by getting directions towards each other's location; taking note of the routes the user follows, comparing them by distance travelled and duration and giving hints like “last time you turned right here”; etc.-- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED][ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com___Openmoko community mailing listcommunity@lists.openmoko.orghttp://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo.Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto.http://es.voice.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Roland Häder wrote: On Thursday, 22. May 2008, Steven Le Roux wrote: What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) As I have read here in mailing list, TriSoft, Germany will do it. You can already pre-order at: http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
Yes, it is possible. But often Hardware producer are linked to carriers. I remember how phone producer try to disable VoIp function from their devices. And this is not nice. I don't know how Nokia will like an open phone. But we can not to know! Lalo Martins wrote: Nokia makes money out of handsets, not software. Who knows? They may be watching OM very closely, hoping it will be the thing that finally allows them to use a more open platform, networks be damned ;-)n best, Lalo Martins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Steven Le Roux wrote: What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) well.. i think that was already answered somewhere in the thread in other words, but here my short version: afaik there will be 2 possibilities: - order at the openmoko us based webshop. - pay in us$ - pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee - if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash) - use a CC (currently JCB, VISA, MASTER. _no_ AMEX afaik) - order at a local distributor - pay the local currency - pay for shipping if you do not pick it up yourself - pay the regional tax/vat of your county directly with the device and shipping so the bottomline is: us customers as well as worldwide can very easily order directly at openmoko. but if you do not want to have the hassle of transatlantic shipping, different currencies etc or want local warranty, buy at a local distributor. i guess due to the shipping costs its cheaper and less hassle to order single devices directly at a distributor. also these could have different payment methods, but thats their decision. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users getstarted
Supporting proprietary apps and non-standard non-public-documented protocols should be imho on the far bottom of the todo. So do we need outlook-support out of the box? Definitely not. What we need is SyncML support for the PIM apps/daemon (and I'm pretty sure that abraxa will be doing fine work in this area). If someone needs sync with Outlook: there are ways to make Outlook speak SyncML. Mostly they are commercial, but there's no difference to Outlook. I'm looking to use the neo as a toy, as a tool and for work, but it is not the job of Openmoko inc. to care for proprietary non-standard third-party software and waste money for this. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0n Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:09:24PM -0700, steve wrote: I do not believe that it will sync to outlook. However, explain exactly what you want to do. get your outlook contacts, mail and appointments to the phone? Calendar and contacts syncing between Outlook and phone is a pretty major thing needed. I would like to use both of these functions extensively to organise my daily working life. I'm not really looking to use OpenMoko as a toy :) -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
On 22 May 2008, at 11:27, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: Randall Munroe, the author of XKCD, suggests an excellent idea: http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/20/gps-cyborg-implant/ Simply put, it's a GPS navigator that only repeatedly gives you the direction towards the target (in “three o'clock” style) and the distance to it, without using any maps at all. It probably won't help you in a maze of twisty passages all alike, but should be good enough when navigating in a city or suburb where roads are made to enable you to reach places. Blimey! You must be young - you're writing like this like this is a new thing!! When I was using GPS - I bought my first one 10 years ago, but it was an end-of-line model then - they were all like this. http://www.gpsnow.com/images/gm12b.gif You're quite right that this is quite an effective user interface. A GPS with full maps and which gives street directions is FAR more complex to program, but is not orders of magnitude better at getting you to the destination, for all the reasons you observe (although I snipped this bit from your post). You basically point yourself in the same direction as the needle and don't worry too much about the finer details until the needle swings approaching 90 degrees (because it obviously tends not to do so until you're very close). Even if you already think you're on the right road, the compass display is very reassuring - one is frequently wary of directions given over the by phone by another party, but the needle pointing down the road in front of you confirms they're (probably!) correct. The speech interface is a nice addition, and I would imagine one would find it quite useful. If I suddenly develop oodles of free time and programming insight when my Freerunner arrives then this is the first type of GPS I'll be writing. I'll leave maps directions to the boys and girls of Google - there's sure to be one or two of their engineers who buy a Freerunner, and having used their Java-based Google Maps on my Sony- Ericsson P990i (and knowing that the Windows Mobile version can use a phone's built-in GPS) I am optimistic that Google Maps will be available for Freerunner at some point. I _really_ want to see an Openmoko application where you can just choose a contact and have your position sent to them by text message. When their Freerunner receives the message it automagically opens a GPS application that points to your position - this would be SO useful for meeting up with friends, finding a party or a bar or whatever, joining them at a deserted picnic spot in the woods. I wrote about this before http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/ community/2008-April/016318.html and I see no need for something more complicated than a GPS compass display like this. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Joachim Steiger wrote: - pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee - if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash) Hi, I'd be interested which firm will manage delivery: UPS, TNT, etc, for order from Openmoko shop to Europe. So I can take information about shipping fee (but this I think you can give to me when the shop will be open) and doganal fee. Thank you ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Le Roux wrote: What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) well.. i think that was already answered somewhere in the thread in other words, but here my short version: afaik there will be 2 possibilities: - order at the openmoko us based webshop. - pay in us$ - pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee - if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash) - use a CC (currently JCB, VISA, MASTER. _no_ AMEX afaik) - order at a local distributor - pay the local currency - pay for shipping if you do not pick it up yourself - pay the regional tax/vat of your county directly with the device and shipping so the bottomline is: us customers as well as worldwide can very easily order directly at openmoko. but if you do not want to have the hassle of transatlantic shipping, different currencies etc or want local warranty, buy at a local distributor. i guess due to the shipping costs its cheaper and less hassle to order single devices directly at a distributor. also these could have different payment methods, but thats their decision. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community To resume, there are some dsitributors : France : Bearstech Germany : TRIsoft we don't already know conditions, and prices with Bearstech, but TRIsoft seems to be arrested to 350€ incl VAT (plus fee's shipment) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Calculate cardinal points from GPS?
Hello! First I would like to say that I'm a newbie when it comes to GPS, so please don't bash (or korn ;)) me if my thinking is rather stupid. I was thinking if was possible to calulate the cardinal points (N,E,S,W) by the difference (in longitude and latitude) between your current location and a fixed one. By doing so we should have our compass, at least in my mind ;). So what do you think guys? Is this even possible? P.S Hmm I think that I just understood that this isn't possible, at least not with just one fixed location as difference :/. Maybe it's possible with let's say 10 fixed coordinates as reference? Best regards /Tomas tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
On Thu, 22 May 2008 12:27:08 +0200, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randall Munroe, the author of XKCD, suggests an excellent idea: http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/05/20/gps-cyborg-implant/ Simply put, it's a GPS navigator that only repeatedly gives you the direction towards the target (in “three o'clock” style) and the distance to it, without using any maps at all. It probably won't help you in a maze of twisty passages all alike, but should be good enough when navigating in a city or suburb where roads are made to enable you to reach places. Stupid me. Should have done some research before posting. Of course, this exists and has been done long before routed maps even appeared. Garmin makes a range of those direction-only navigators, for example. I've also found that I can turn my €500 device into a dumb direction-only one with the right settings. :-) For anyone owning a Garmin nüvi 360 or alike, that's Settings - Map - Map Info, uncheck every available map, then Settings - Map - Map View = Track Up, then Settings - Navigation - Route Preference = Off Road. This turns off map display and draws a straight start-to-finish line instead of calculating a route. However, voice prompts with bearing angles would still be nice. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calculate cardinal points from GPS?
From what I understand, Getting a cardinal point-equivalent _heading_ is easy with GPS, but if you are stationary and spinning, it will not update. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! First I would like to say that I'm a newbie when it comes to GPS, so please don't bash (or korn ;)) me if my thinking is rather stupid. I was thinking if was possible to calulate the cardinal points (N,E,S,W) by the difference (in longitude and latitude) between your current location and a fixed one. By doing so we should have our compass, at least in my mind ;). So what do you think guys? Is this even possible? P.S Hmm I think that I just understood that this isn't possible, at least not with just one fixed location as difference :/. Maybe it's possible with let's say 10 fixed coordinates as reference? Best regards /Tomas tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
UK Distribution
I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion follows... We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as things change. https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko -- - Alastair Johnson TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk T: 0845 8692190 F: 0709 2117048 DDI: 01908 268902 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
Lorn Potter wrote: On Thursday 22 May 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The important facts are that the new software: * Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17) * Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is possible to run Qtopia, GTK, ELF, and Python applications all at the same time Actually, Trolltech had done most of the 'porting' to X11 work already. Hi Lorn, Thanks for the clarification upon my clarification. I will edit my blog to correctly credit this. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calculate cardinal points from GPS?
Tomas Gustavsson wrote: Hello! First I would like to say that I'm a newbie when it comes to GPS, so please don't bash (or korn ;)) me if my thinking is rather stupid. I was thinking if was possible to calulate the cardinal points (N,E,S,W) by the difference (in longitude and latitude) between your current location and a fixed one. By doing so we should have our compass, at least in my mind ;). So what do you think guys? Is this even possible? P.S Hmm I think that I just understood that this isn't possible, at least not with just one fixed location as difference :/. Maybe it's possible with let's say 10 fixed coordinates as reference? Best regards /Tomas tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I think that a GPS receive some information about cardinal point... So it will be more simple to read these information than calculate some difference... But, as I say, I'm not sure :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Steven Le Roux schrieb: To resume, there are some dsitributors : France : Bearstech Germany : TRIsoft we don't already know conditions, and prices with Bearstech, but TRIsoft seems to be arrested to 350€ incl VAT (plus fee's shipment) Not to forget pulster.de, who charges 299€ for a freerunner ;-) Cheers, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
pulster.eu seems to be the first OFFICIAL distributor in europe! Freerunner - 299€ cheers Sebastian Am Donnerstag, den 22.05.2008, 16:53 +0200 schrieb Steven Le Roux: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Le Roux wrote: What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) well.. i think that was already answered somewhere in the thread in other words, but here my short version: afaik there will be 2 possibilities: - order at the openmoko us based webshop. - pay in us$ - pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee - if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash) - use a CC (currently JCB, VISA, MASTER. _no_ AMEX afaik) - order at a local distributor - pay the local currency - pay for shipping if you do not pick it up yourself - pay the regional tax/vat of your county directly with the device and shipping so the bottomline is: us customers as well as worldwide can very easily order directly at openmoko. but if you do not want to have the hassle of transatlantic shipping, different currencies etc or want local warranty, buy at a local distributor. i guess due to the shipping costs its cheaper and less hassle to order single devices directly at a distributor. also these could have different payment methods, but thats their decision. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community To resume, there are some dsitributors : France : Bearstech Germany : TRIsoft we don't already know conditions, and prices with Bearstech, but TRIsoft seems to be arrested to 350€ incl VAT (plus fee's shipment) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Please do not send me any Microsoft Office documents - I won't accept them! See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more information! Sorry! signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calculate cardinal points from GPS?
Tomas Gustavsson wrote: Hello! I was thinking if was possible to calulate the cardinal points (N,E,S,W) by the difference (in longitude and latitude) between your current location and a fixed one. By doing so we should have our compass, at least in my mind ;). So what do you think guys? Is this even possible? [...] The GPS knows where north is. The thing it doesn't know is in which direction the device is pointig. When you are moving, you can calculate which direction you are moving in, so if you point the device in that direction, it could know which way north is. What you also could do (maybe I misunderstood, and this is what you were thinking about?), is to set a fixed point at the top of a mountain or something else that vill be visible during your whole trip, so that if you point your device at that point, you would know which way north is. Or you could point the device at the direction of the sun, calculate its position based on the time of day and you location, and find north. Or you could just use a compass in addition to the gps. ;) Oh, and sorry about not having an In-Reply-To-header (messing up the thread). I don't have the original message, I have just read it online, so I don't know how to create the header. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
On pulster the price is in the description, the price in the list is 0.00 Euro, should not means that they will sell it at 299 Euro. I don't trust this actually. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pulster.eu seems to be the first OFFICIAL distributor in europe! Freerunner - 299€ cheers Sebastian Am Donnerstag, den 22.05.2008, 16:53 +0200 schrieb Steven Le Roux: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Le Roux wrote: What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) well.. i think that was already answered somewhere in the thread in other words, but here my short version: afaik there will be 2 possibilities: - order at the openmoko us based webshop. - pay in us$ - pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee - if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash) - use a CC (currently JCB, VISA, MASTER. _no_ AMEX afaik) - order at a local distributor - pay the local currency - pay for shipping if you do not pick it up yourself - pay the regional tax/vat of your county directly with the device and shipping so the bottomline is: us customers as well as worldwide can very easily order directly at openmoko. but if you do not want to have the hassle of transatlantic shipping, different currencies etc or want local warranty, buy at a local distributor. i guess due to the shipping costs its cheaper and less hassle to order single devices directly at a distributor. also these could have different payment methods, but thats their decision. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community To resume, there are some dsitributors : France : Bearstech Germany : TRIsoft we don't already know conditions, and prices with Bearstech, but TRIsoft seems to be arrested to 350€ incl VAT (plus fee's shipment) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Please do not send me any Microsoft Office documents - I won't accept them! See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more information! Sorry! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
i think we need to wait until the release... They will probably release at same time an official distributor loist... Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: pulster.eu seems to be the first OFFICIAL distributor in europe! Freerunner - 299EUR cheers Sebastian Am Donnerstag, den 22.05.2008, 16:53 +0200 schrieb Steven Le Roux: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Le Roux wrote: What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) well.. i think that was already answered somewhere in the thread in other words, but here my short version: afaik there will be 2 possibilities: - order at the openmoko us based webshop. - pay in us$ - pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee - if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash) - use a CC (currently JCB, VISA, MASTER. _no_ AMEX afaik) - order at a local distributor - pay the local currency - pay for shipping if you do not pick it up yourself - pay the regional tax/vat of your county directly with the device and shipping so the bottomline is: us customers as well as worldwide can very easily order directly at openmoko. but if you do not want to have the hassle of transatlantic shipping, different currencies etc or want local warranty, buy at a local distributor. i guess due to the shipping costs its cheaper and less hassle to order single devices directly at a distributor. also these could have different payment methods, but thats their decision. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community To resume, there are some dsitributors : France : Bearstech Germany : TRIsoft we don't already know conditions, and prices with Bearstech, but TRIsoft seems to be arrested to 350EUR incl VAT (plus fee's shipment) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Please do not send me any Microsoft Office documents - I won't accept them! See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more information! Sorry! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calculate cardinal points from GPS?
Turn on the GPS and walk. You will get a heading and you can use that to draw a compass or orient a map display. That's how all GPS systems do it. You can't really know which way the device itself is pointing without a magnetic sensor. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Steven Le Roux wrote: To resume, there are some dsitributors : France : Bearstech Germany : TRIsoft Again there's also Pulster for Germany (and rest of Europe too). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calculate cardinal points from GPS?
Matt Manjos wrote: From what I understand, Getting a cardinal point-equivalent _heading_ is easy with GPS, but if you are stationary and spinning, it will not update. Accelerometers could help here...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Marc Bantle wrote: Not to forget pulster.de, who charges 299€ for a freerunner ;-) Maybe less. Check my previous mail! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification of Qtopia Vs. GTK
Tom Cooksey wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2008 21:45:37 Michael Shiloh wrote: * Ported Qtopia to Xorg, so it is possible to run Qtopia, GTK, ELF, and Python applications all at the same time Hmmm... Just wondering if anyone has seen this: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/05/13/introducing-qgtkstyle/ Yes, I've seen and loved this, thinking the same you've proposed btw in this case maybe it won't work as expected since I don't know really how qtopia apps are themed: are they using simply Qt themes? If they do, maybe, it will be possible using them with the old gtk Om theme! Anyway I don't know if the qgtkskyle wrapper has some performance issues on small devices like Freerunner... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
Hey Stroller, I _really_ want to see an Openmoko application where you can just choose a contact and have your position sent to them by text message. When their Freerunner receives the message it automagically opens a GPS application that points to your position - this would be SO useful for meeting up with friends, finding a party or a bar or whatever, joining them at a deserted picnic spot in the woods. I wrote about this before http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016318.html and I see no need for something more complicated than a GPS compass display like this. Just FYI, I'm actually in process of registering well-known SMS ports for this purpose with IANA, so that interoperability between devices would be facilitated. If we get the registration through, there would be two known ports: port X for receiving someones location, and port Y for receiving a location request from someone. Below is the email I originally sent to IANA. All comments are welcome! I also though about getting TCP/UDP ports registered for the same purposes, but there the biggest problem is identification and authentication of the sender. With SMS, MSISDN can be quite reliably used for identifying the sender, but no such identifier exists in TCP/UDP world. Let me know if you have any ideas/comments on this! Carl Snellman Nokia, Inc. --- Dear recipient, I'm writing on behalf of JSR293 Expert Group, which is currently defining a new Java specification JSR293 Location API 2.0 [1] under Java Community Process (www.jcp.org). This specification defines an API for java apps to access various location based services, such as mapping services, navigation services and geocoding/reversegeocoding. As part of the specification we have defined a standardized format for exchanging Landmarks (also known as Points-of-Interest, POIs. Landmarks are whatever information tagged with geospatial coordinates). This message format may be used by any app/system on any platform; it is not tied to Java alone. Now, in order to enable good interoperability between (mobile) devices, we would like to register some known ports so that whenever a message arrives in this known port, a handler can process the message as appropiate (for example, by showing the landmark on top of a map). I have investigated using SMS as one of the message bearers, and I was trying to find information how to officially register an SMS port for this use. I found on some sources (eg. [2]) that IANA is the one who registers the SMS ports on the reserved number space (0-15999 for 16-bit addressing scheme). We would want to register two ports on that range for two purposes: 1) the first port X would be dedicated to incoming location messages. The messages must be in the Landmark Exchange format as specified in JSR293 specification. 2) second port Y would be dedicated for incoming location requests. The TP-User-Data field may be empty, or contain user-generated message; the fact that this message was received in the dedicated port identifies it as a location request. Location request SMS is sent by someone who wants to get to know your location (formatted in landmark exchange format). The sender is identified by the sender MSISDN. When a user receives a location request, the handler will prompt the user (or based on trust policy, will respond to request automatically) whether the user wants to response her/his current location. If so, the device performs positioning and then response is sent back to sender's MSISDN/port X. Thank you, Carl Snellman Member of JSR293 Expert Group Nokia Corporation - [1] JSR293 Location API v.2.0 specification, available at http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=293, latest version (currently 0.18) available upon request. [2] ETSI TS 100 901 V7.5.0 (2001-12) Technical Specification Digital cellular telecommunications system (Phase 2+); Technical realization of the Short Message Service (SMS) Point-to-Point (PP) (3GPP TS 03.40 version 7.5.0 Release 1998) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
IGES STEP CAD file issues
I was curious how many people have been playing with the Neo CAD files? After I found the FreeRunner would be different in case design from the 1973, I held off on using the files. Since no-one has posted conversions of the new Pro/E files I decided to go back look at the old IGES STEP files and plan modifications I'd like to make. Do the 1973 IGES and/or STEP files work well for anyone? VariCAD either crashes (STEP) or returns a failure to convert dialog (IGES). Salome loads the STEP model but has all kind of geometries that go in the wrong directions (inverted buttons going out of case instead of in, etc). gCAD does about the same as Salome. I'm trying to install a 30 day trial version of Pro/E Wildfire 4.0 right now. If I'm lucky I can run it in Wine and I can see if it can export models that work any better for me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Calculate cardinal points from GPS?
f4lken wrote: I think that a GPS receive some information about cardinal point... So it will be more simple to read these information than calculate some difference... But, as I say, I'm not sure :( Hi, No, it doesn't...The way to calculate bearing is to derivate your position over time to get a speed vector (Vx, Vy). You can then calculate the angle that vector form with North (simple trigonometry) and calculate current bearing (in degrees) or show a compass (same thing in a different referential). The thing is, it works only if you're moving. -- Phyce ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
Funamble connecter springs to mind. Its free too. On 5/22/08, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supporting proprietary apps and non-standard non-public-documented protocols should be imho on the far bottom of the todo. So do we need outlook-support out of the box? Definitely not. What we need is SyncML support for the PIM apps/daemon (and I'm pretty sure that abraxa will be doing fine work in this area). If someone needs sync with Outlook: there are ways to make Outlook speak SyncML. Mostly they are commercial, but there's no difference to Outlook. I'm looking to use the neo as a toy, as a tool and for work, but it is not the job of Openmoko inc. to care for proprietary non-standard third-party software and waste money for this. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0n Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:09:24PM -0700, steve wrote: I do not believe that it will sync to outlook. However, explain exactly what you want to do. get your outlook contacts, mail and appointments to the phone? Calendar and contacts syncing between Outlook and phone is a pretty major thing needed. I would like to use both of these functions extensively to organise my daily working life. I'm not really looking to use OpenMoko as a toy :) -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: UK Distribution
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote: I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion follows... We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as things change. https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko One thing that's unclear is whether the European distributors, such as yourselves, will be selling the 10-packs as well as single phones, or whether those are only coming from OpenMoko in the USA. Are you able to give an answer to this question at this point? Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- There's more than one way to do it is not a commandment. It --- is a dire warning. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IGES STEP CAD file issues
Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: I was curious how many people have been playing with the Neo CAD files? After I found the FreeRunner would be different in case design from the 1973, I held off on using the files. Since no-one has posted conversions of the new Pro/E files I decided to go back look at the old IGES STEP files and plan modifications I'd like to make. Do the 1973 IGES and/or STEP files work well for anyone? VariCAD either crashes (STEP) or returns a failure to convert dialog (IGES). Salome loads the STEP model but has all kind of geometries that go in the wrong directions (inverted buttons going out of case instead of in, etc). gCAD does about the same as Salome. I'm trying to install a 30 day trial version of Pro/E Wildfire 4.0 right now. If I'm lucky I can run it in Wine and I can see if it can export models that work any better for me. Please wirte if it works. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
Federico, can you send me a URL where I can learn more about Funamble? Google searches haven't found me much. Thanks On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funamble connecter springs to mind. Its free too. On 5/22/08, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supporting proprietary apps and non-standard non-public-documented protocols should be imho on the far bottom of the todo. So do we need outlook-support out of the box? Definitely not. What we need is SyncML support for the PIM apps/daemon (and I'm pretty sure that abraxa will be doing fine work in this area). If someone needs sync with Outlook: there are ways to make Outlook speak SyncML. Mostly they are commercial, but there's no difference to Outlook. I'm looking to use the neo as a toy, as a tool and for work, but it is not the job of Openmoko inc. to care for proprietary non-standard third-party software and waste money for this. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0n Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:09:24PM -0700, steve wrote: I do not believe that it will sync to outlook. However, explain exactly what you want to do. get your outlook contacts, mail and appointments to the phone? Calendar and contacts syncing between Outlook and phone is a pretty major thing needed. I would like to use both of these functions extensively to organise my daily working life. I'm not really looking to use OpenMoko as a toy :) -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems building pth
On Thursday 22 May 2008 09:35:51 Tom Cooksey wrote: Hiya, I have been having problems with pth for some time (at least a month). I've held off posting, hoping it would get fixed before I needed a build. Sadly, I need a build for next week and it is still failing with: pth_mctx.c:476:2: error: #error Unsupported Linux (g)libc version and/or platform Any help in fixing this would be greatly appreciated! Sorry, I have no idea, but you might get more responses on the developer oriented mailing lists, e.g. please try openmoko-devel and/or openembedded-devel. Cheers, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: UK Distribution
On 22 May 2008, at 22:29, Hugo Mills wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:05:47PM +0100, Alastair Johnson wrote: I was going to post this under the European Distribution thread but it seems to have drifted off topic. Shameless self-promotion follows... We will be selling the Freerunner in the UK. The details are still being worked out, but if you register we will keep you updated as things change. https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko One thing that's unclear is whether the European distributors, such as yourselves, will be selling the 10-packs as well as single phones, or whether those are only coming from OpenMoko in the USA. Are you able to give an answer to this question at this point? Indeed. I'm not sure if the group sales thing is going to work in my area, and the £20 saving of the 10-pack doesn't bother me too much, but I do want the headset and whatever goodies are available as part of the 10-pack. I'm almost tempted to buy a 10-pack myself and whack the other 9 on fleaBay, but I don't think my credit card would stand it. If Truebox can offer the goodies then I'd love to purchase from them - 420 Silbury Boulevard is just down the street from me, in fact, so it would be easy to collect my Freerunner the *moment* it arrives. I'll pop in for a chat tomorrow, Alastair, and scrounge a coffee from you. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
On Thu, 22 May 2008 20:48:28 +0200, Carl Snellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just FYI, I'm actually in process of registering well-known SMS ports for this purpose with IANA, so that interoperability between devices would be facilitated. If we get the registration through, there would be two known ports: port X for receiving someones location, and port Y for receiving a location request from someone. Below is the email I originally sent to IANA. All comments are welcome! I also though about getting TCP/UDP ports registered for the same purposes, but there the biggest problem is identification and authentication of the sender. With SMS, MSISDN can be quite reliably used for identifying the sender, but no such identifier exists in TCP/UDP world. Let me know if you have any ideas/comments on this! This is exactly why it's not a good idea to register a TCP or UDP port for it. It's better to use a well-established protocol where authentication issues have already been solved. I'd recommend to go for an XMPP (Jabber) protocol extension. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Vinc Duran wrote: Federico, can you send me a URL where I can learn more about Funamble? Google searches haven't found me much. Thanks On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Vinc - you are sure hard to please. After offering a slight spelling change Google gave 14,200 for Funambol connector. of which the first two were 28 Jun 2006 ... This blog post will be about sharing what I learned around developping Funambol Connector. It is not intended to be complete or a ... blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/cedric_bosdonnat/ Funambol: Open Source: Community Projects Funambol Exchange Connector v3, Community, The Funambol Exchange connector ... Zimbra Funambol Connector, Community, This project provides code for earlier ... www.funambol.com/opensource/projects.php Those should have been enough. Did you really ask Google? clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 He is first official distributor. At least this is said at http://www.reuters.com . (Sorry for no link, but I'm not sure if I am allowed to post.) Greetings Bastian Sebastian Billaudelle schrieb: | pulster.eu seems to be the first OFFICIAL distributor in europe! | Freerunner - 299€ | | cheers | Sebastian | | Am Donnerstag, den 22.05.2008, 16:53 +0200 schrieb Steven Le Roux: | | On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Steven Le Roux wrote: | What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) | | | well.. i think that was already answered somewhere in the thread in | other words, but here my short version: | | afaik there will be 2 possibilities: | | - order at the openmoko us based webshop. | - pay in us$ | - pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee | - if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on | recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash) | - use a CC (currently JCB, VISA, MASTER. _no_ AMEX afaik) | | - order at a local distributor | - pay the local currency | - pay for shipping if you do not pick it up yourself | - pay the regional tax/vat of your county directly with the device and | shipping | | so the bottomline is: us customers as well as worldwide can very easily | order directly at openmoko. but if you do not want to have the hassle of | transatlantic shipping, different currencies etc or want local | warranty, buy at a local distributor. | | i guess due to the shipping costs its cheaper and less hassle to order | single devices directly at a distributor. also these could have | different payment methods, but thats their decision. | | | kind regards | | -- | | Joachim Steiger | Openmoko Central Services | | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | To resume, there are some dsitributors : | | France : Bearstech | Germany : TRIsoft | | we don't already know conditions, and prices with Bearstech, but TRIsoft seems to be arrested to 350€ incl VAT (plus fee's shipment) | | -- | Steven Le Roux | Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | Please do not send me any Microsoft Office documents - I won't accept them! | See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more information! | | Sorry! | | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFINhgmlYiDScJJ+7QRAmkRAKDm77MHuMODVPFZ4tmHdt82wmFkrACeMVcR BacCa8e0Hfht9AY+b3/jiek= =SWdQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU: Qtopia PIM info stored in sqlite database (includes preliminary scripts)
Lorn Potter wrote: On Thursday 22 May 2008 08:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database. Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is stored or is that not Qtopia determined? The users database is /home/user/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite Thanks for the update, Lorn. For some reason on OpenMoko they are stored in /Applications. Here are preliminary client-side scripts to backup and restore the Contacts database. There is at least one other sqlite database that might need to be copied, so use with care... All I can say is that they worked for me, restoring my contacts to a newly-reflashed rootfs. backup_openmoko_contacts: #!/bin/sh scp phone2:/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite ~/openmoko/ restore_openmoko_contacts #!/bin/sh scp ~/openmoko/qtopia_db.sqlite phone2:/Applications/Qtopia/ I further do not know what happens if you run the restore script while the apps are running; I ran the restore during boot, as soon as sshd started up, before running any of the main apps. Use at own risk!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
problems about openmoko-browser2
Hi i come to some problems when i run openmoko-browser2 on qemu. when i open the web www.openmoko.org and click the link : history. and the browser display it on the current page correctly.I input www.google.com . the openmoko-browser2 open the website correctly.then i input the key word baidu in the search filed. the google will list many websites related baidu. but when i click one of them, the browser do nothing and can't open the website. when i use the gpe-mini-browser,it can work very well.As you konw the gpe-mini-browser uses osb-nrcit and osb-nrcore at the core of the application,the openmoko-browser2 uses webkit at the core of the application. then i compare them and find that there is a defined signal req_new_window in osb-nrcit. the signal req_new_window can notify the application that whether the browser create a new page to open the url. Next, how can i display the website responding to the click? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
Cetus GPS (http://www.cetusgps.dk/ - for Palm) is a good implementation of this (see web page above for screenshots). Also keeps a track history every few seconds and has some other options like averaging to get a reasonably accurate reading vs a rough and ready. Speed is dead accurate (or my car speedo is!), but altitude is a bit sus (reasons given in other, unrelated posts - one our main sporting grounds, ~25mkm from the coast is 8M underwater ... :) Would love to have the ability to use a local offset to the curve to counteract this. Use it on my treo650 with an external bluetooth gps for backup while bushwalking. Billk On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 23:27 +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/5/22 Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Simply put, it's a GPS navigator that only repeatedly gives you the direction towards the target (in three o'clock style) and the distance to it, without using any maps at all. It probably won't help you in a maze of twisty passages all alike, but should be good enough when navigating in a city or suburb where roads are made to enable you to reach places. this could be a cool and very simple way of implementing the real-life pacman game we talked about a couple of weeks back. pacman could have his gps coords constantly interpreted as a series of directions and distances, fed to the earpieces of the ghosts, who then have to find him ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Hi all, Currently, ONLY PULSTER is openmoko official partner in Germany and EU and He also is our first partner in world. BR Harry Marco Trevisan (Treviño) 提到: Steven Le Roux wrote: To resume, there are some dsitributors : France : Bearstech Germany : TRIsoft Again there's also Pulster for Germany (and rest of Europe too). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics
I recieved my Openmoko Freerunner sample this morning via DHL, and like I did with the Neo1973, I took lots of pictures and blogged about it. Some of the pictures aren't the greatest (poor lighting in my bedroom and a photographer I am not!) but they get the idea across. The write up also gives a few tidbits of opinion on some of the changes that seem to get overlooked. Anyway, the writeup can be read at: http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner.html -Kevin Dean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Harry, | Steven Le Roux wrote: | To resume, there are some dsitributors : | | France : Bearstech | Germany : TRIsoft | Marco Trevisan (Treviño) 提到: | | Again there's also Pulster for Germany (and rest of Europe too). On 23-05-08 04:53, Harry Tsai wrote: | Hi all, | Currently, ONLY PULSTER is openmoko official partner in Germany and EU | and He also is our first partner in world. That makes me a bit curious-- when I looked more than a month ago, only TRIsoft took pre-orders of the FreeRunner, and Pulster didn't; or at least I couldn't find any indication. So I ordered a FreeRunner from TRIsoft. Does that mean that I get my phone later than Pulster customers? What does it mean for me that TRIsoft is not an official Openmoko partner? As I said, just curious... Groetjes, ~ Marnix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFINkbrjn9v+6JsL6sRAse6AJ9Wej+cNc7kOJG6MDtfSbkVMIeuWwCfeSHH LybCl2XpdGnAKr7l3DjSFPQ= =Q9sX -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Europe Distribution
Hi all, Currently, ONLY PULSTER is openmoko official partner in Germany and EU and He also is our first partner in world. BR Harry Bastian Muck 提到: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 He is first official distributor. At least this is said at http://www.reuters.com . (Sorry for no link, but I'm not sure if I am allowed to post.) Greetings Bastian Sebastian Billaudelle schrieb: | pulster.eu seems to be the first OFFICIAL distributor in europe! | Freerunner - 299€ | | cheers | Sebastian | | Am Donnerstag, den 22.05.2008, 16:53 +0200 schrieb Steven Le Roux: | | On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Steven Le Roux wrote: | What about Europe distribution ;). Let's come back to the subject :) | | | well.. i think that was already answered somewhere in the thread in | other words, but here my short version: | | afaik there will be 2 possibilities: | | - order at the openmoko us based webshop. | - pay in us$ | - pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee | - if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on | recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash) | - use a CC (currently JCB, VISA, MASTER. _no_ AMEX afaik) | | - order at a local distributor | - pay the local currency | - pay for shipping if you do not pick it up yourself | - pay the regional tax/vat of your county directly with the device and | shipping | | so the bottomline is: us customers as well as worldwide can very easily | order directly at openmoko. but if you do not want to have the hassle of | transatlantic shipping, different currencies etc or want local | warranty, buy at a local distributor. | | i guess due to the shipping costs its cheaper and less hassle to order | single devices directly at a distributor. also these could have | different payment methods, but thats their decision. | | | kind regards | | -- | | Joachim Steiger | Openmoko Central Services | | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | To resume, there are some dsitributors : | | France : Bearstech | Germany : TRIsoft | | we don't already know conditions, and prices with Bearstech, but TRIsoft seems to be arrested to 350€ incl VAT (plus fee's shipment) | | -- | Steven Le Roux | Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | Please do not send me any Microsoft Office documents - I won't accept them! | See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more information! | | Sorry! | | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFINhgmlYiDScJJ+7QRAmkRAKDm77MHuMODVPFZ4tmHdt82wmFkrACeMVcR BacCa8e0Hfht9AY+b3/jiek= =SWdQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My blog, Freerunner FIrst Impressions and some pics
Awesome! Thank you very much. What about the software? Did it came with QTopia? And sorry if I'me getting it wrong (my english is not very good) but first you wrote no accesories and next you wrote it came with a headset and the laser/led/pens stylus. Ain't those accesories? Well, I have a lot of questions, but I think I'll better let those who know how to ask make them. Thanks again Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible- Kevin Dean escribió: I recieved my Openmoko Freerunner sample this morning via DHL, and like I did with the Neo1973, I took lots of pictures and blogged about it. Some of the pictures aren't the greatest (poor lighting in my bedroom and a photographer I am not!) but they get the idea across. The write up also gives a few tidbits of opinion on some of the changes that seem to get overlooked. Anyway, the writeup can be read at: http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner.html -Kevin Dean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
