Re: My experience with the Freerunner
Would there be a problem with doing two (or more) calls in series and just adding up the time of each call? I would be impressed if the battery survived through two near four hour calls. Just be sure to start the second call shortly after the first one finishes. On Tue, May 27, 2008 5:27 am, ian douglas wrote: ian douglas wrote: Since the call ended about the same amount of time as my test last night (236 minutes vs 234 minutes), I'm curious if either ATT or TMobile simply kill a phone call just shy of 4 hours of talk time to free up their network. That sounds likely. With GSM the cost of a call is only calculated once the call completes, if there is no limit on the length of call, someone who steals a GSM phone, can keep a call going for several days, and the network only finds out when they hang up. If the call is to an expensive international destination ($2 per minute) The cost to the network could be high. Because of this most networks limit the length of calls. The details of the scam are described in chapter 17 of Security Engineering by Ross Anderson. You can download a PDF copy from this page: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/book.html Back to your test, As far as I know there is no limit on the length of calls from landlines, so one solution would be to call the Freerunner from an landline. The other option would be to do what phone manufacturers do, which is to measure the current drain from the battery, and calculate the talk time from the battery capacity. Don't forget to be unreasonably optimistic about signal strength, and battery life. :-) -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Private data protection.
Hello. Recent Lifehacher article [1] rose a privacy-related question in my head -- how to protect user personal data if phone is stolen? First of all - I assume that phone was stolen for it's physical contents (and not to steal your data), so attacker will likely just to turn it on, and won't attempt any more sophisticated type of attack. What could be done to prevent such attacker from obtaining of e.g. my saved browser sessions? Personally I can see three easy ways of protection (aka without entry of additional passwords and physically connection of key-congaing storage devices). Both include have having some kind of encrypted file system image stored in phone file system. Of course it should use key-based encryption, so the main challenge is to provide easy way to enter key (without need to remember any new meaningless number-digit mumbo-jumbo password). 1) Auth using PIN number (this requires encrypted image presence in phone file system by it's boot time end -- not reallyl convenient if SD card is used). 2) Auth using key file accessible on network (when phone is connected to your computer or local network). This means that auth can be performed only in your place (home, work...). 3) Auth using presence of another bluetooth or WiFi device (the MAC address of this device is used as key). This means that phone fully unlocks when your bluetooth mouse or router are around. ;) AFAIK the best way to use such encrypted data in device like mobile phone (taking in account that any kind of encryption requires processor and processor requires electricity), it would be nice to create temporary file system in phones' RAM, copy encrypted data to it (during the copy also unencrypting it) and make applications to use data from RAM while operating the phone. But how to sync data from RAM back to encrypted file system? By the way, I'm writing this mail just to ask - does anyone has any other ideas or proposals? Or, maybe, it is already implemented, tested and I'm inventing bicice? [1] http://lifehacker.com/393336/protect-your-stolen-mobile-phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). In what language/toolkit do you plan to work? On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Staley, Daniel L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So now that the freerunner is almost upon us (my friends will be glad when it finally comes out after a year of telling them a couple months from now I'll have it!), I have thought about what my first project is going to be. Being the nerd and impulsive buyer I am, I have bought a wireless bluetooth keyboard (perfect for the freerunner i think... http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE ) for programming on the go, an external GPS antenna with a magnetic end to boost my GPS reception in the car, and finally a car phone/GPS dash holder to have a place to set my freerunner while driving. I decided that I am going to try to implement a program that will give me the most functionallity possible while driving...therefore (this may be wishful thinking...so please tell me if something sounds impossible): (First plug in an FM transmitter to the freerunner's headphone jack to transmit all sounds to the car stereo) * Play music and/or podcasts while scrolling the name of the current song across the screen * Press a rather large button in the bottom right corner of the screen to switch from music mode into direction mode. In direction mode, the screen displays Either a Large arrow pointing the direction of your location, or displays the next road that needs to be turned on and how close it is in large text. (Music/Voice from other modes should still be played while the GUI displays this). When the road approaches, the program should cut out the music for a moment and use freeTTS to read something like Turn right on Lovelaceville Road.. (The directions would of course have to have been downloaded from wlan or GPRS) * If someone calls while the program is running, ideally I would like the program to pause all music etc and say Incoming call from Fred and display 2 large buttons Ignore and Accept. If accept is pressed, I want the phone to go into speakerphone mode, but still to route the audio to the car speakers. I'm wondering if it would be possible to cancel out the repeating of the caller's audio back into the microphone? I'm not up to date on my noise cancellation techniques ;). If this doesnt seem plausable, just going into speakerphone mode, or talking through a bluetooth headset will be acceptable. * Once the voice recognition SoC project is done, I'd also like to interface with that to implement voice commands for the program such as Moko, next song or Moko, take call, or even Moko, new destination (followed by the new destination so that typing it in prior to driving would not be nessiary.) What do you guys think? Possible? Are the interrupts sent from the GSM modem on incoming call possible to catch before the dialer app gets them? Would it be possible to get the voice cancellation good enough to implement the phone over car speaker feature? And finallywould anyone else be interested in joining the project? If no one says that it would be impossible for some reason, I'll probably start drawing up some test cases, examples screens, and basic code flow. -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Staley, Daniel L wrote: So now that the freerunner is almost upon us (my friends will be glad when it finally comes out after a year of telling them a couple months from now I'll have it!), I have thought about what my first project is going to be. Being the nerd and impulsive buyer I am, I have bought a wireless bluetooth keyboard (perfect for the freerunner i think... http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE ) for programming on the go, an external GPS antenna with a magnetic end to boost my GPS reception in the car, and finally a car phone/GPS dash holder to have a place to set my freerunner while driving. It all sounds rather fantastic to be honest. I'm no programmer, but I'd happily test out revisions for you :-) I need to get a FreeRunner first though... It would be great to have a routing app that integrates with, say, OpenStreetMap. One that could also be used to store tracks and upload them if the road isn't in their database already. I have this fanciful vision of GPS units like FreeRunner (or Dash for that matter) using Open Source data from OSM to do routing, whilst load balancing roads and routes by the servers being aware of traffic flows and optimal routes for that time of day (similar to dash.net really). Where roads aren't present, the GPS traces get uploaded on the fly, and one way systems can be automatically determined by traffic rates and flow We can dream, but this certainly sounds like a step there :-) Kyle ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: IGES STEP CAD file issues
Well, I haven't had any luck getting Pro/Engineer Wildfire 4.0 to install on Linux with Wine. It fails at a different point every time with one of a dozen documented errors. They suggesting ordering installing off a CD to fix most of those issues. Guillermo, I actually started an email to you previously, but wanted to try my hand at getting Pro/E to run first. As it stands I can't find anything to load the Pro/E geometry. Would you be willing to translate the new Openmoko Neo FreeRunner Pro/E file http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/NeoFreerunner_ProE.zip to some alternate formats (IGES, STEP, etc)? Also good job on your Neo skin. It looks great most of those files load perfectly for me. If you could translate the new Pro/E file into STEP IGES, then I have good faith I could load them into a 3D modeler program. Thanks, Jeremiah On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 11:16 -0700, steve wrote: Guillermo may be bale to help. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christooss Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: IGES STEP CAD file issues Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: I was curious how many people have been playing with the Neo CAD files? After I found the FreeRunner would be different in case design from the 1973, I held off on using the files. Since no-one has posted conversions of the new Pro/E files I decided to go back look at the old IGES STEP files and plan modifications I'd like to make. Do the 1973 IGES and/or STEP files work well for anyone? VariCAD either crashes (STEP) or returns a failure to convert dialog (IGES). Salome loads the STEP model but has all kind of geometries that go in the wrong directions (inverted buttons going out of case instead of in, etc). gCAD does about the same as Salome. I'm trying to install a 30 day trial version of Pro/E Wildfire 4.0 right now. If I'm lucky I can run it in Wine and I can see if it can export models that work any better for me. Please wirte if it works. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: My experience with the Freerunner
Ian got a phone with the Apps based on GTK. everyone will. However, I wanted to let the community see the NEXT STEP. So the next step ( ASU) is now public. you need a GTA02 to appreciate it. and even then it's a raw first look at pre alpha software. maybe Kevin Dean or the Ians can make some vids of ASU. -OrThe phone will iginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nickd Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:43 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: My experience with the Freerunner Sounds expensive Ian! Keep up the good research ;) As for the OS, wouldn't it be the GTK frozen snapshot (pre QT)? Steve said the ASU was at a pre-Alpha stage and I can't see it going out on the sample phones unless you've updated it yourself recently. If it's not the case then mea culpa. -Nick ian douglas wrote: ian douglas wrote: With the ASU software, with no power saving at all, I placed a phone call to my Freerunner with a T-Mobile SIM from an ATT phone. There was no audio, just two phones sitting side by side. The next morning, of course, the Freerunner was completely drained (my ATT phone was plugged into its charger). The phone call lasted 3 hours and 52 minutes -- just shy of 4 full hours. I'm running another test right now with power saving turned on (dimming, no locking), to see if that has any additional impact on call life. To follow up, the second phone call hung up after 3 hours and 54 minutes -- only a two minute saving, but the Freerunner's battry icon still showed lots of power available, instead of being completely drained like my test with power saving turned off. Since the call ended about the same amount of time as my test last night (236 minutes vs 234 minutes), I'm curious if either ATT or TMobile simply kill a phone call just shy of 4 hours of talk time to free up their network. To solve that riddle, I'll try both my ATT SIM card and TMobile SIM card in the Freerunner and call it from my Vonage VoIP line, see if I can narrow down what killed the call. My speculation at this point is that the 3 hour 52 minute call last night that drained my battery might not have drained the Freerunner's battery completely, but that the phone just ran out of power at some point after the phone call because power saving was turned off. Stay tuned, Ian Douglas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: My experience with the Freerunner
Ian, There are two different software loads. Out of the box you should have Openhand Apps running on GTK. That is the BASE functionality. dialer, sms, contacts. The future software stack is available from Michael. Entirely different monster. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:05 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: My experience with the Freerunner Kevin Dean wrote: You mentioned power saving twice on the ASU and mention dim then lock. If I understand it correctly, ASU is the Qtopia based stack that includes Illume, Diversity, Campwifi et cetera. There's no dim then lock setting on that stack. Exposure doesn't have any power settings that I know of. Is this a confusion on my part, or are you testing something other than the ASU? I'm using whatever software was installed on the phone, which I understand to be the ASU stack -- all that's installed on the phone is a dialer, SMS application, terminal application, a screenshot capture and contact list manager. When you hold the power button for a few seconds, you see a menu where you can turn on/off the GSM modem (default: on), GPS (default: off), bluetooth (default: off), wifi (default: on), then a drop-down list of three power settings: - no power saving at all - dim without locking (which as I understand locks it anyway) - dim with locking Ian Douglas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SyncML on Freerunner
Well not entirely. At least not the vanilla funambol installation. Of course syncing contacts/calendars/notes can be done with funambol out of the box. But in the thread .Mac like service there came up some additional ideas (like a transparent filesystem that stores files in the net when space is lacking and connection is not, storing the configuration of the phone to reinstall it, and some more). Also the phone should recognize if and how it is connected to a synchronization point. Maybe it should decide what to synchronize based on the connection. While funambol will probably be a good starting point and at least a great reference point, there is some more work to it than just setting up a funambol server. I started a Trac project on http://projects.doublemalt.net/DotMoko to collect ideas what such a service could do. Feel free to participate. Just introduce yourself on the wiki or send me a personal mail. A reason why I did not consider using projects.openmoko.org is, that I see this project being of broader use than just for openmoko. While the openmoko is the ideal platform to start such an effort, I would also want to synchronize the data with my desktop, netbook, the PC I launch from my knoppix USB stick and whatever comes my way. Well kind of the same thing everybody and Red Hat is trying to introduce now for the desktop, only that it is far more useful for mobile devices. There are some additional challenges that affect only mobile devices however, like the uncertain connection and limited power/cpu/storage resources that make it far easier to use a solution that fits for mobile devices on a desktop than vice versa. Also mobile devices will take over in the long run. Well let's get to work. Vinc Duran schrieb: Hi, I may be missing something but as far as the server side of things go isn't this exactly what's been done at Funambol? http://www.funambol.com/ According to their faq they support Sync 1.2 and earlier. Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: My experience with the Freerunner (was: Any Stats on Batterylife....)
Talk time is an interesting metric.
It would be cool to see how claimed talk times correspond with measured
talk times.
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Subject: My experience with the Freerunner (was: Any Stats on
Batterylife)
I'm also doing some testing on a Freerunner for Michael and Steve, and I
have one thing to share about battery life.
With the ASU software, with no power saving at all, I placed a phone
call to my Freerunner with a T-Mobile SIM from an ATT phone. There was
no audio, just two phones sitting side by side. The next morning, of
course, the Freerunner was completely drained (my ATT phone was plugged
into its charger). The phone call lasted 3 hours and 52 minutes -- just
shy of 4 full hours.
I'm running another test right now with power saving turned on (dimming,
no locking), to see if that has any additional impact on call life.
There's also minor audio going on, as my wife is in the office/nursery
building some cabinets for the baby we're expecting in October.
Once these, and a few other power-related tests are done, I plan to
travel around Los Angeles a little, testing the tri-band coverage in
various areas of the city.
I've written a few notes to Michael off-list about the ASU software, but
wanted to share that of the various test calls I've made to/from land
lines, VoIP lines (with Vonage) and various cell phones on ATT and
Verizon to the Freerunner with both ATT and TMobile SIM cards, I've
only had a single call with no outgoing audio. The SMS software is very
basic, but complete (no MMS tested yet).
The terminal application is usable, but the new keyboard isn't terribly
useful as there are no slash ('/') or pipe ('|') characters which are
pretty necessary for using a command line.
I'm also ordering an 8GB SDHC micro SD card to test some 8GB storage
usaes. So far the 512MB micro SD that shipped with the phone works
great. I'll test it with a 2GB non-SDHC micro SD when this next phone
battery test is complete.
Since others have covered the packaging and accessories, I won't bother
to echo their notes too.
More later,
Ian Douglas
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Re: SyncML on Freerunner
Jens Meyer schrieb: funambol is GPL (?!) funambol is affero gpl ( www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/a*gpl*-3.0.html ), which just means you have to provide the sourcecode if you offer a service based on it (which is fine with me). And yes it would make more sense to build a service eco system around funambol than reinvent the wheel. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Car Mode Application...
This project looks to be exactly what I need to integrate with! It even takes commands over dbus! Well that sounds like a good starting point. Does anyone know if the media player currently implemented takes start/stop commands from dbus? If not (which im assuming from the state it was in last time I tried it on my Neo 1973 probably not) is it hard to get pulseaudio to play music atm? I havent messed with it much. -Dan Staley From: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 2:24 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Car Mode Application... ramsesoriginal wrote: Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). Why not? Navit [1] should do the work...! [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
steve wrote: Ian got a phone with the Apps based on GTK. everyone will. However, I wanted to let the community see the NEXT STEP. So the next step ( ASU) is now public. you need a GTA02 to appreciate it. and even then it's a raw first look at pre alpha software. Actually, I believe they started making images for gta01 as well. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ They are the Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image files. Be sure to also update your kernel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner (was: Any Stats on Batterylife....)
Wow, that actually looks better then I expected. According to
PhoneScoop, my Nokia E51 has a talk time of 4 hours or so. Although
I'm not too sure if this is with UMTS or GSM, and I can't really test
as there is no such thing as free calling here.
Cheers,
Federico
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:13 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Talk time is an interesting metric.
It would be cool to see how claimed talk times correspond with measured
talk times.
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Subject: My experience with the Freerunner (was: Any Stats on
Batterylife)
I'm also doing some testing on a Freerunner for Michael and Steve, and I
have one thing to share about battery life.
With the ASU software, with no power saving at all, I placed a phone
call to my Freerunner with a T-Mobile SIM from an ATT phone. There was
no audio, just two phones sitting side by side. The next morning, of
course, the Freerunner was completely drained (my ATT phone was plugged
into its charger). The phone call lasted 3 hours and 52 minutes -- just
shy of 4 full hours.
I'm running another test right now with power saving turned on (dimming,
no locking), to see if that has any additional impact on call life.
There's also minor audio going on, as my wife is in the office/nursery
building some cabinets for the baby we're expecting in October.
Once these, and a few other power-related tests are done, I plan to
travel around Los Angeles a little, testing the tri-band coverage in
various areas of the city.
I've written a few notes to Michael off-list about the ASU software, but
wanted to share that of the various test calls I've made to/from land
lines, VoIP lines (with Vonage) and various cell phones on ATT and
Verizon to the Freerunner with both ATT and TMobile SIM cards, I've
only had a single call with no outgoing audio. The SMS software is very
basic, but complete (no MMS tested yet).
The terminal application is usable, but the new keyboard isn't terribly
useful as there are no slash ('/') or pipe ('|') characters which are
pretty necessary for using a command line.
I'm also ordering an 8GB SDHC micro SD card to test some 8GB storage
usaes. So far the 512MB micro SD that shipped with the phone works
great. I'll test it with a 2GB non-SDHC micro SD when this next phone
battery test is complete.
Since others have covered the packaging and accessories, I won't bother
to echo their notes too.
More later,
Ian Douglas
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Re: Car Mode Application...
I'm not completely certain but I don't think TangoGPS does routing. I think Navit was written with cars in mind. TangoGPS will keep track of your friends. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That looks nice, but what about the TangoGPS? Marcus? It's been a while since we last heard of it on the list, Are you still working on it? Cheers and happy waiting. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - On 27/05/2008, at 01:24 p.m., Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: ramsesoriginal wrote: Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). Why not? Navit [1] should do the work...! [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Car Mode Application...
Oh I'm not looking to replace TangoGPS. I've been following his project since he first released it on my Neo, and I've been very impressed. However, I dont believe (correct me if I'm wrong Marcus) that it does directions or has a way for me to easily interface with it in another application. The app I'm looking to work on will not have anywhere near the overall amount of GPS features that TangoGPS has. Navit will better integrate into what I'm looking at doing because of the dbus-interface interaction and it's ability to be integrated into other programs. -Dan Staley From: Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:27 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Car Mode Application... That looks nice, but what about the TangoGPS? Marcus? It's been a while since we last heard of it on the list, Are you still working on it? Cheers and happy waiting. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - On 27/05/2008, at 01:24 p.m., Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: ramsesoriginal wrote: Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). Why not? Navit [1] should do the work...! [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
Yeah, there are GTA01 images for the ASU, I've tested them. Not too much to report, ASU is almost totally non-functional but it gives a good view of it's potential. I planned on doing video over this weekend but I got sick for the first time in almost three years. *growls* On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: steve wrote: Ian got a phone with the Apps based on GTK. everyone will. However, I wanted to let the community see the NEXT STEP. So the next step ( ASU) is now public. you need a GTA02 to appreciate it. and even then it's a raw first look at pre alpha software. Actually, I believe they started making images for gta01 as well. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ They are the Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image files. Be sure to also update your kernel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SyncML on Freerunner
Hey again, To try and answer some more questions, as Christoph has already done so mostly... The reason for having an OWN server for this project was to implement multiple things... We were going to start small, but thing big, and go where no-one has gone before... Well, at least that was my ambition anyway. Keep everything open, but at the same time, very hosted. The project is very nicely hosted by Christoph at the moment, and we will be making advances in the near future. But at this current moment, we have only exchanged a few emails in regards to planning, and are still looking for ideas, as well as developers and people to help. So this project has not actually developed anything solid yet, to answer that question. The was I was thinking, and I would like to hear everyones ideas on this, is... This service would have its own specially designed server, making it very easy for us to add new services, etc.. and not be limited by any licensing issues. We could store data in our own formats, I suggest SQLite databases... This way, we can offer our own API set for OpenMoko handsets, to make sure it is specifically taylored to the needs and wants of its users, as well as the specifications of the phone. But then also, because it is our own format, we can then develop more things (I don't know if you'd call it an API, but sort of SyncML frontend to our backend, as well as other frontends, to suit as many users as possible)... But also the advantage of starting our own backend from scratch is, users want encryption. I have not fully read up on what is offered by SyncML, but the things I had in mind offer great encryption standards for those who want their data protected to the highest degree.. To answer the question of what it would be syncing, I think Christoph already got this... But it would be tailored to suit everything OpenMoko first, then other platforms AFTERWARDS... Well, if Christoph is in agreement with me, that is So basically, everything and anything you want, give up a shout, and we'll try and get it packed in... Anyway, I won't go into TOO much detail (says this after going on for AGES, I apologize) Will try and post some more when I know more, Samuel Melrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 27 May 2008, at 18:57, Jens Meyer wrote: Hi! I had the same suggestion. I am using SyncML and funambol-server with different phones (and clients) - so with SyncML-support it would be possible to sync all contacts/appointments with Freerunner also. I am no expert in this area but IMHO SyncML is a reliable standard for sync of contacts and appointments and funambol is GPL (?!) so I was astonished about the plans to develop an own server for this... Kind regards, Jens Vinc Duran schrieb: Hi, I may be missing something but as far as the server side of things go isn't this exactly what's been done at Funambol? http://www.funambol.com/ According to their faq they support Sync 1.2 and earlier. Vinc On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Samuel Melrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Marco, I am currently part of a project that is trying to get a sync service running on the OpenMoko platform... It is only in planning stages so far, but the server side is going to be started soon, and then when I can get the emulator running, we will start developing the client for the phone. Have actually JUST taken a look at the SyncML specification, and it looks very good, and could save a lot of time, as it already implements a lot. But would still have to write the server side and authentication from scratch to support encryption on the server side without problem to the user. And also maybe extend the protocol to support some more features the community asked for when it was being discussed. Is there anyone that is really interested in this? GPL + Hosted version If this is what people want of course? Thanks very much, Samuel Melrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 May 2008, at 23:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody Is there a possibility to get a SyncML (1.1 / 1.2) Interface for the Freerunner? Is something planned or even possible? Thanks for all answer or links, Marco ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list
Neo as cellular modem?
Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Am Dienstag, 27. Mai 2008 17:08:04 schrieb Staley, Daniel L: So now that the freerunner is almost upon us (my friends will be glad when it finally comes out after a year of telling them a couple months from now I'll have it!), I have thought about what my first project is going to be. snip, you all know the text / If no one says that it would be impossible for some reason, I'll probably start drawing up some test cases, examples screens, and basic code flow. -Dan Staley Well, why not create a new project on projects.openmoko.org? I'd really like to see your great ideas organized and well documented, as I really can understand what you're planning to do. My goals with the Freerunner are as well using it in the car and thus replacing my oldschool, navi and radio only 'thing' in my car. It would also be great if incoming messages (being SMS, email, MMS, IM or whateverelse) were scrolled on the screen in big sized font. (Maybe a confirmation: Press AUX to view new message(s)) So, you (or your friends in the car) may read what you got and thus you can drive without being disturbed by incoming messages. -- Greetings, Fabian Off ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1] Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h [2] http://moko.mwester.net/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as cellular modem?
I think you should be able to but GPRS data rates aren't anything to be proud of [1], especially with web pages these days built assuming broadband bandwidth. You might get away with sites built for mobiles though. If I were you I'd work out how to get access to some wireless somewhere (friendly neighbours perhaps), or go to a cafe. -Nick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Mobile_telephone_interfaces Vinc Duran wrote: Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Neo as cellular modem?
It should be no problem. You just have to set up your routing tables correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection. It would be really handy to have an application to configure all of this automagically. It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere... Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code]
Since this question might be of general interest, I've taken the liberty of answering it on the list. Joseph asked about u-blox code, and Andy pointed us to the DM2 test code: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=gta02-production-testing.git;a=blob;f=gta02-dm2/src/dm2.c;h=caddb49b2a7abca366e83dd36b87aa9ce857d416;hb=HEAD#l517 - -Andy Original Message Subject: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:52:14 +0100 (BST) From: Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Michael I'd like to request if there's any boilerplate code available to deal with the binary protocol as provided by the FreeRunner's u-blox chip? This would be a great help to us. Many thanks, Joseph -- Files attached to this email may be in ISO 26300 format (OASIS Open Document Format). If you have difficulty opening them, please visit http://iso26300.info for more information. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: My experience with the Freerunner
Yes, but I haven't reviewed it so I don't want to make representations or promises. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorn Potter Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:48 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: My experience with the Freerunner steve wrote: Ian got a phone with the Apps based on GTK. everyone will. However, I wanted to let the community see the NEXT STEP. So the next step ( ASU) is now public. you need a GTA02 to appreciate it. and even then it's a raw first look at pre alpha software. Actually, I believe they started making images for gta01 as well. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ They are the Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image files. Be sure to also update your kernel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
That's a great idea Matt! Might be a drain on the battery moving packets around though. Speaking of which, would anyone know if it would be possible to use a 3G USB dongle on one of these? I can't see why not. I have a friend here in Australia who users a Three (Hutchinson) network USB dongle plugged into his Ubuntu box. He tells me it uses PPP to dialin and it's as easy as pie. Can anyone shed some light on this? Cheers, Nick Matt Mets wrote: It should be no problem. You just have to set up your routing tables correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection. It would be really handy to have an application to configure all of this automagically. It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere... Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wisdom of crowds - the update
hi steve community once upon a time a long, long time ago tim kersten set up a site to track the wisdom of crowds [1] with regard to the question how many freerunners will FIC sell in the first two months the answer can be seen here (click the stats tab) http://openmoko.hobby-site.com/ and is remarkably consistent at a median value of 4000 after over 1000 people voted.In fact this number has stayed very close to 4000 since the low hundreds of votes. so are you going to ask the webshop/pulster/trisoft/whoever to keep track of the real number for you? .after all, if it turns out to be accurate you can use this method for planning your next product! and are you going to tell us how accurate it was :-) ? actually the rules for the wisdom of a crowd to be accurate demand that each guess is independent. and here we have a little pollution in that it is possible for you to see others votes before you vote yourself (although many will not have bothered) anyway it gave us something to do while you folks were busy making phones i reckon it saved at least 12 useless messages to list by frustrated geeks.. (and oops created only 9 more) actually next time we could always use it to guess the release date for son of freerunner jw [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
0n Tue, May 27, 2008 at 06:15:14PM -0400, Kevin Dean wrote: I planned on doing video over this weekend but I got sick for the first time in almost three years. *growls* Can you please post to this list when you have done it :) With in the Subject the word video. Looking forward to it! -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
0n Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:49:02AM +0200, Marco Trevisan (Trevi~no) wrote: Marco Trevisan (Trevi~no) wrote: Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1] Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... Only if it was in English :( -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: QT/GTK madness
You git it.!! My whole goal was to get a stable working set of basic apps as the factory preload. That's the GTK stuff. People can work on it if they like, extend it, change it, whatever. But it must be a working phone. In parallel we would fork down a more adventurous path. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elektrolott Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:06 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: QT/GTK madness I really don't understand you people. Instead of being happy that FIC sells their phones with a workable app stack so that you can actually use the phone to make phone calls and manage your contacts you rant here about toolkits although many people have made it very clear that OM supports GTK as well as QT. And we are talking about factory preload here, meaning the SW that comes with the phone out of the box when it is shipped to you. I expect to get a working SW stack to make phone calls, write SMS, manage contacts when I get the phone. However that does not mean that I will not change the SW that is on the phone - that's what the openness of OM is all about then anyway, right? As the phone is completely open you can install whatever SW you prefer. AFAIK the old GTK based apps still exist and you can continue to work on them to make them work without problems. Go and be a member of the community and make these apps work if you care about them instead of just mourning about their absence in the initial factory preload. IMHO it is the right decision from FIC (who actually produce the NEO) to sell it with a working SW stack, so that all the people who are not programmers get a working phone once the shop opens. Do you really think people would appreciate a phone that does not even provide reliable basic functionality. And if you doubt that the old GTK app stack still does not provide reliable basic functionality just go and read the mailing list or bugzilla. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding
HI, Is there a good library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding easily? AFAIK, the encoding that in the id3tag can't be decided, it maybe ASCII, UTF-8 and others which sometimes cause the software to decode some error character. The libid3tag can do raw reading to id3tag but not handle the encoding easily. Thanks. Bin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding
2008/5/27 Bin Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: HI, Is there a good library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding easily? AFAIK, the encoding that in the id3tag can't be decided, it maybe ASCII, UTF-8 and others which sometimes cause the software to decode some error character. The libid3tag can do raw reading to id3tag but not handle the encoding easily. You need one library to read the tag's text fields as raw byte arrays and another to determine the encoding. The latter is highly nontrivial. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT/GTK madness
0n Tue, May 27, 2008 at 06:26:57PM -0700, steve wrote: My whole goal was to get a stable working set of basic apps as the factory preload. That's the GTK stuff. People can work on it if they like, extend it, change it, whatever. But it must be a working phone. I agree with this. And I think many people would be pissed off to get a phone that doesn't just work out-of-the-box. -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
