Re: Shipping to canada...

[Dave O'Connor]

Hello.
I'm in Canada too and myself and Railer from the #openmoko along with
someone in my group have been doing some research into this. 

UPS Suck, they screw you on two main fees, brokerage (customs clearance)
and bond fees.

Bond fees are for them putting up the money for GST which you can pay to
them when the package is in transit if you want to avoid it.

Brokerage fees are the even bigger scam and these are for clearing
customs. (These don't have to be paid at all using fedex or USPS and if
openmoko would notice this in the future and allow more options it would
be very much appreciated :) )

We worked it out that it's just 10 dollars extra to send it expedited
and that includes all of their scam fees.

You can do brokerage yourself and you'd have to look into it and see how
to do it in Alberta. For us this would involve rejecting the package and
their extra fees, going to their depot, which is near the airport in
Vancouver but I don't know what applies to you, and then going to
customs. That's too much time off work for me to be worth it so we're
going to go for the expedited delivery which is much faster and only 10
dollars more expensive than standard delivery + scam fees

Did I mention UPS suck?

Regards
Dave


On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 23:57 -0600, Matthias Stone wrote:
> These are probably silly questions, but I ask anyway (and thank you
> for your replies)
>  
> a)  In shipping the phone (freerunner) to Canada, are any
> taxes/duty/fees applied? (buying from openmoko.com webstore)
>  
> b)  How long would you expect it to take to ship to Alberta using the
> normal (aka cheapest) shipping rate?
>  
> Thanks,
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Shipping to canada...

[Matthias Stone]

These are probably silly questions, but I ask anyway (and thank you for your
replies)

a)  In shipping the phone (freerunner) to Canada, are any taxes/duty/fees
applied? (buying from openmoko.com webstore)

b)  How long would you expect it to take to ship to Alberta using the normal
(aka cheapest) shipping rate?

Thanks,
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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Joachim Steiger]

Michael T. Dean wrote:
> Which could /not/ happen before I've been given a chance to type in my 
> credit card information--i.e. before they know which card/bank to ask 
> for authorization.

sorry i doubted you. just sounded like another thing we were seeing.

> BTW, this is 100% repeatable (even still) on any computer on my network.

do you have any special nat features, a transparent proxy in use?

ah.. and is JavaScript enabled?

lets track it down.

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Michael T. Dean]

On 07/04/2008 09:42 PM, Joachim Steiger wrote:
> Michael T. Dean wrote:
>   
>> On 07/03/2008 02:55 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm getting a Gateway Error 
>>> 500" before I even get a chance to enter my credit card info--i.e. when 
>>> it says, "Forwarding you to Hi_Trust..."
>>>
>>> Full text of the message is: "Error from the Hi Trust gateway: TrustLink 
>>> Server is closed. Or Merchant Server IP is not consistent with TrustLink 
>>> Server setting."
>>>   
>> Seems this one has something to do with my NAT'ing firewall/router.  
>> When I tried from a computer with a direct connection to the Internet, 
>> it went through without a problem.  I tried all combinations of Firefox 
>> 2, Internet Explorer, and Firefox 3 and the only difference in the 
>> systems was the network connection (and the fact that the one that 
>> worked--with the direct connection--was running Windows, but I'm pretty 
>> sure that's not the issue).
>> 
>
> i can assure you that this is not the case.
> in all cases we had this error it was the sending bank blocking the
> transaction till the card was activated for international billing or
> some similar automatic protection mechanism.

Which could /not/ happen before I've been given a chance to type in my 
credit card information--i.e. before they know which card/bank to ask 
for authorization.

BTW, this is 100% repeatable (even still) on any computer on my network.

Mike

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Joachim Steiger]

Michael T. Dean wrote:
> On 07/03/2008 02:55 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>> I'm getting a Gateway Error 
>> 500" before I even get a chance to enter my credit card info--i.e. when 
>> it says, "Forwarding you to Hi_Trust..."
>>
>> Full text of the message is: "Error from the Hi Trust gateway: TrustLink 
>> Server is closed. Or Merchant Server IP is not consistent with TrustLink 
>> Server setting."
> 
> Seems this one has something to do with my NAT'ing firewall/router.  
> When I tried from a computer with a direct connection to the Internet, 
> it went through without a problem.  I tried all combinations of Firefox 
> 2, Internet Explorer, and Firefox 3 and the only difference in the 
> systems was the network connection (and the fact that the one that 
> worked--with the direct connection--was running Windows, but I'm pretty 
> sure that's not the issue).

i can assure you that this is not the case.
in all cases we had this error it was the sending bank blocking the
transaction till the card was activated for international billing or
some similar automatic protection mechanism.

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import contacts?

[Alexander Syring]

Hi
on my new Freerunner I want to add my contacts from my old mobile.
I have all data in one file in vcard 3.0 format. 

How can I import all data?

I tryed to copy the addressbook.db and addressbook.db.summery in home dir from 
my local evolution copy but it doesn't work.

Greetings
Alex

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Holger Freyther]

On Thursday 03 July 2008 21:29:31 Arne Zachlod wrote:

> AT+CPIN=

Try with quotes, AT+CPIN="" and according to GSM 07.07 CME ERROR. The 
general error 3 is "operation not allowed".

z.


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Re: freerunner shipment confirmation?

[ian douglas]

I know his question was to anyone ordering a single unit, but I got my 
confirmation Email within 5 minutes of placing my order for a 10-pack.

Vinc Duran wrote:
> Hi Jayesh,
> I ordered a ten pack yesterday and received a confirmation email from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] about 90 minutes later.


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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Al Johnson wrote:
>> On Friday 04 July 2008, Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
>>> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:
 I'd like to buy one. Is this [1] good to get the full-charging speed
 with the Freerunner?

 Thanks!

 [1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360065251941
>>> Yes it is :)
>>> You only needs 1 Amp, this have 2 Amps
>> Depends what you're going to do with it. If you use a Y cable to charge the 
>> phone while powering another USB device you may need 1.5A.
> 
> 
> Recognize also that you'll have to either add the ID resistor yourself, 
> or manually enable 1A charging via software.

Yes I knew this, I managed by doing this by software (since my 
hardware-editing skills are not so great), btw has ever written the 
howto (we was talking about some months ago) for adding an ID resistor 
to a standard USB charger?

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RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[steve]

Arne,

  Getting a new SIM worked for us in the USA. When I talked to the ATT
people about it they admitted
This was a common annoyance. Olds SIMS not working in new phones, especially
is the SIM was purchased
In an phone under contract.

  

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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:28 AM
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Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

i don't think the card is the problem, but the freerunner. The card works in
all phones (3G and non3G) i have tried, excluding the FR, so i think there
HAVE to be a bug or something else, but no idea how to find out what could
be wrong.
I asked my provider for a new card now and he said he will send me one. 
Now i have to wait, but im not sure that this will help me.

bye, Arne


Michael Shiloh schrieb:
> Don't give up yet - let's try to gather some more information.
>
> If your card is more than a few months old it would be very 
> interesting to try a new card on the very same contract. Would the 
> provider be willing to exchange your card for a new one?
>
> Michael
>
> Arne Zachlod wrote:
>   
>> I have testes the non-3G e-plus SIM card form my girlfirend and it 
>> works. i think the problem is with the 3G sim cards only, not with 
>> the normal 2,5G Standartd-cards. or with some of the 3G-cards. 
>> really, i have no idea. in germany it is now around 9:00 AM so i will 
>> go to a phone-shop now and ask there. i would have no problem with 
>> changing the network, but the problem is that i would have to wait 
>> for a half year until my actually contract get off (or what is the 
>> english word for
>> that?) and thats absoulutely too long, because i don't want to change 
>> my telephone number. so the only option is finding the bug? or 
>> getting a working SIM Card.
>>
>> Regards, Arne
>>
>>
>> Michael Kluge schrieb:
>> 
>>> Most probably. I am waiting for one too and will use it with a SIM 
>>> card from SIMYO. It's a prepaid card, they charge for 1MB data 24 
>>> Cent and use the e-plus network. I guess a few people with a 
>>> freerunner have such a card as most other offers for data is more
expensive.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 08:04:08 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
>>>   
>>>   
 Do we have any other Freerunners who are e-plus customers in Germany?
 Need to get some information here.

 Michael

 Arne Zachlod wrote:
 
 
> Hi Michael,
>
> my network provider is e-plus and i'm located in germany.
>
> Arne
>
> Michael Shiloh schrieb:
>   
>   
>> Hi Arne,
>>
>> Who is your network provider?
>> Where are you located?
>>
>> Michael?
>>
>> Arne Zachlod wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G 
>>> card doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is 
>>> unable to get the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, 
>>> then there was only the problem that he doesn't find a network). 
>>> but with other SIM Cards form same provider there is no problem.
>>> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
>>> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log 
>>> file doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my
question is:
>>> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
>>>
>>> Thank you, Arne
>>>
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RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[steve]

First step is to get a replacement SIM. 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
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Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

Do we have any other Freerunners who are e-plus customers in Germany? 
Need to get some information here.

Michael

Arne Zachlod wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> my network provider is e-plus and i'm located in germany.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 
> Michael Shiloh schrieb:
>> Hi Arne,
>>
>> Who is your network provider?
>> Where are you located?
>>
>> Michael?
>>
>> Arne Zachlod wrote:
>>   
>>> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card 
>>> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to 
>>> get the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was 
>>> only the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM 
>>> Cards form same provider there is no problem.
>>> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
>>> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file 
>>> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is:
>>> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
>>>
>>> Thank you, Arne
>>>
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RE: Car charger to GTA02

[steve]

 make a compilation of this stuff and wikify accordingly

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Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02

I'd like to buy one. Is this [1] good to get the full-charging speed with
the Freerunner?

Thanks!

[1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360065251941

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RE: What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"

[steve]

Bingo!

 
   
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:50 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"

Steve has mentioned several times that "while supplies last", they would be
sending laser stylii, 512MB microSD cards and a headset with the 10-pack
orders. Once they run out, they run out, and they'll send a plastic stylus
with each phone.

Openmoko doesn't want to be in the business of selling stylus pointers,
microSD cards, screen protectors, headsets, carrying pouches, etc. 
They'd rather leave that to after-market entrepreneurs.

-id


Robert Horton wrote:
> Well according to a message earlier here, the nice stylus is being 
> used up before they move to a plastic one so I would think the re-open 
> gift is  stuff that isn't part of the actual $399 price and is a gift 
> until they are gone. I would assume they'd be included in the 10 packs as
well.
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Charles 
> Pax
> *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2008 12:20 AM
> *To:* Openmoko Community
> *Subject:* What's a "Webshop re-open gifts?"
> 
>  
> 
> The web shot states," Webshop re-open gifts: 512MB microSD, Laser 
> stylus pen." What does that mean and will the ten packs be getting this
stuff?
> 
> -Charles
> 
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Re: freerunner shipment confirmation?

[Jayesh Salvi]

Thanks Vinc, I will wait little longer then.

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Vinc Duran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jayesh,
> I ordered a ten pack yesterday and received a confirmation email from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] about 90 minutes later.
>
> On 7/4/08, Jayesh Salvi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I bought freerunner few hours ago from the online shop. The transaction
> went
> > through after at least 3 different redirections for payment processing.
> > AFAIR, in step 1 they took my shipping information; in step 2 they
> directed
> > me to some Taiwanese site for credit card information; and I believe the
> 3rd
> > step was my credit card specific which did some kind of verification for
> my
> > Chase Visa credit card. At the end of 3rd step I got some error and
> couldn't
> > proceed or go back from there. I however received an email confirmation
> for
> > that 3rd step from Visa.
> >
> > What concerns me is, I did not get any confirmation email that OpenMoko
> has
> > received my order successfully. I know the shipment hasn't started yet
> and
> > the shipment notification may come sometime later. But should I be
> getting
> > any confirmation/receipt of transaction from OpenMoko or from the third
> > party site that processed my order?
> >
> > It has been couple of hours now. Has anyone else received
> > confirmation/receipt by email while placing the order (for single unit)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jayesh
> >
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Picking up Freerunners in Fremont (was: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!)

[Michael Shiloh]

Brian C wrote:
> Harry wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Sorry for delay long time!!!
>> So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and 
>> spare also!!!
>>
>> http://www.openmoko.com/store.html
>>
>> Freerunner is running
>>
>> Thanks and BR
> 
> For those who wish to pick up in Fremont, there doesn't seem to be an
> obvious option in the checkout process to indicate that.  Can this be
> changed or can someone advise what we should do?

Brian, and others in the Bay Area,

The Fremont facility is not at all set up to do this. However, Steve is 
doing everything he can to figure out a way to do this in spite of this 
fact.

Give him a little time - he's deeply involved in trying to keep the 
ordering and shipping running smoothly.

Thanks for understanding,
Michael

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Re: freerunner shipment confirmation?

[Vinc Duran]

Hi Jayesh,
I ordered a ten pack yesterday and received a confirmation email from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] about 90 minutes later.

On 7/4/08, Jayesh Salvi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I bought freerunner few hours ago from the online shop. The transaction went
> through after at least 3 different redirections for payment processing.
> AFAIR, in step 1 they took my shipping information; in step 2 they directed
> me to some Taiwanese site for credit card information; and I believe the 3rd
> step was my credit card specific which did some kind of verification for my
> Chase Visa credit card. At the end of 3rd step I got some error and couldn't
> proceed or go back from there. I however received an email confirmation for
> that 3rd step from Visa.
>
> What concerns me is, I did not get any confirmation email that OpenMoko has
> received my order successfully. I know the shipment hasn't started yet and
> the shipment notification may come sometime later. But should I be getting
> any confirmation/receipt of transaction from OpenMoko or from the third
> party site that processed my order?
>
> It has been couple of hours now. Has anyone else received
> confirmation/receipt by email while placing the order (for single unit)?
>
> Thanks,
> Jayesh
>

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freerunner shipment confirmation?

[Jayesh Salvi]

Hi,

I bought freerunner few hours ago from the online shop. The transaction went
through after at least 3 different redirections for payment processing.
AFAIR, in step 1 they took my shipping information; in step 2 they directed
me to some Taiwanese site for credit card information; and I believe the 3rd
step was my credit card specific which did some kind of verification for my
Chase Visa credit card. At the end of 3rd step I got some error and couldn't
proceed or go back from there. I however received an email confirmation for
that 3rd step from Visa.

What concerns me is, I did not get any confirmation email that OpenMoko has
received my order successfully. I know the shipment hasn't started yet and
the shipment notification may come sometime later. But should I be getting
any confirmation/receipt of transaction from OpenMoko or from the third
party site that processed my order?

It has been couple of hours now. Has anyone else received
confirmation/receipt by email while placing the order (for single unit)?

Thanks,
Jayesh
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Re: SIM problems

[arne anka]

for the record: my sim of simyo (no frills daughter company of e-plus,  
germany) made no problems whatsoever.

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RE: SIM problems

[steve]

Michael had some similar issues. They were cleared up when he asked for a
replacement SIM.
 

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Subject: SIM problems

Hi all,

I just got my Freerunner today and I'm having trouble with my Vodafone
prepaid SIM card.
The SIM-card is almost 3 years old now and works fine in my old Benq EL-71.
This might be a 3G Sim card, does anyone know how I can check if it is one?

In the Freerunner, registering with the network does not work:

|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell
|libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
|This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
|
|O
|# # Power-On
|EVENT: PIN request (type='SIM PIN') Please enter SIM PIN:  sending 
|pin='', newpin=''
|Modem power-up failed: 11
|PIN accepted!
|L
|# List operators
|EVENT: Netreg not searching for network
|EVENT: Signal Quality: 99
|EVENT: Netreg registration denied
|EVENT: Signal Quality: 27
|gp
|# Get PIN status
|PIN STATUS: 0
|r
|# Register
|EVENT: Netreg searching for network
|EVENT: Netreg registered (home network) LocationAreaCode = 0x033F 
|CellID = 0x5BB1 cme error: 100
|EVENT: PIN request (type='SIM PIN') Please enter SIM PIN:  sending 
|pin='', newpin=''
|PIN accepted!
|L
|# List operators
|cme error: 3
|# Get revision
|revision: "HW: GTA02BV5, GSM:
gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko8"

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RE: Need screenshots of ASU, FSO

[steve]

 
  we need this in a archive 
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Perfect. Thanks.

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Am Freitag 04 Juli 2008 05:22:48 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
>> Can someone point me at any screenshots of ASU and FSO?
> 
> Only some very early ones @
> 
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=6
> 
> It has slightly changed since then. I'll cook some when I'm back from 
> my 3-day vacation which starts now.
> 
> See ya on monday.
> 

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Re: Anyone attending Foo Camp?

[Shawn Rutledge]

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://wiki.oreillynet.com/foocamp08/index.cgi
>
> It's by invitation only I'm afraid. I thought that some people on this
> list may have been invited.

Well if anyone is going, maybe he/she can recommend invitations for
some of the rest of us.  But the total is only 250 people, so I
suppose they are pretty choosy.

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Re: packing of my freerunner`s

[Alexander Frøyseth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
> there is a short video from the packing-process of my freerunner`s... :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmlyR7u-zhI
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me wants to see my neo getting packed :(

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Michael Shiloh]

Al Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 04 July 2008, Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
>> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:
>>> I'd like to buy one. Is this [1] good to get the full-charging speed
>>> with the Freerunner?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> [1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360065251941
>> Yes it is :)
>> You only needs 1 Amp, this have 2 Amps
> 
> Depends what you're going to do with it. If you use a Y cable to charge the 
> phone while powering another USB device you may need 1.5A.


Recognize also that you'll have to either add the ID resistor yourself, 
or manually enable 1A charging via software.

Michael

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Re: Anyone attending Foo Camp?

[Michael Shiloh]

http://wiki.oreillynet.com/foocamp08/index.cgi

It's by invitation only I'm afraid. I thought that some people on this 
list may have been invited.

Michael

Federico Lorenzi wrote:
> Where? When?
> 
> On 7/4/08, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm setting up an Openmoko hack-a-thon and would love to know if anyone
>> from this list will be there.
>>
>> Michael
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Re: Need screenshots of ASU, FSO

[Michael Shiloh]

Perfect.  Thanks.

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Michael Shiloh ha scritto:
>> Can someone point me at any screenshots of ASU and FSO?
> 
> The ASU ones are at http://dos.jogger.pl/2008/06/29/asu-to-przyszlosc/
> 
> I dunno about FSO...
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Re: Need screenshots of ASU, FSO

[Michael Shiloh]

Perfect. Thanks.

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Am Freitag 04 Juli 2008 05:22:48 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
>> Can someone point me at any screenshots of ASU and FSO?
> 
> Only some very early ones @
> 
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=6
> 
> It has slightly changed since then. I'll cook some when I'm back from my 
> 3-day 
> vacation which starts now.
> 
> See ya on monday.
> 

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Re: Anyone attending Foo Camp?

[Michael Shiloh]

Sebastopol, at O'Reilly's headquarters.

ian douglas wrote:
> Is it up north, Michael?
> 
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> I'm setting up an Openmoko hack-a-thon and would love to know if anyone 
>> from this list will be there.
>>
>> Michael
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SIM problems

[Tobias Diedrich]

Hi all,

I just got my Freerunner today and I'm having trouble with my
Vodafone prepaid SIM card.
The SIM-card is almost 3 years old now and works fine in my old
Benq EL-71.
This might be a 3G Sim card, does anyone know how I can check
if it is one?

In the Freerunner, registering with the network does not work:

|[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell
|libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
|This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
|
|O
|# # Power-On
|EVENT: PIN request (type='SIM PIN') Please enter SIM PIN: 
|sending pin='', newpin=''
|Modem power-up failed: 11
|PIN accepted!
|L
|# List operators
|EVENT: Netreg not searching for network 
|EVENT: Signal Quality: 99
|EVENT: Netreg registration denied 
|EVENT: Signal Quality: 27
|gp
|# Get PIN status
|PIN STATUS: 0
|r
|# Register
|EVENT: Netreg searching for network 
|EVENT: Netreg registered (home network) LocationAreaCode = 0x033F CellID = 
0x5BB1
|cme error: 100
|EVENT: PIN request (type='SIM PIN') Please enter SIM PIN: 
|sending pin='', newpin=''
|PIN accepted!
|L
|# List operators
|cme error: 3
|# Get revision
|revision: "HW: GTA02BV5, GSM: 
gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko8"

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Re: audio/video support

[Philippe Guillebert]

thomasg wrote:
> Oops, forgot to mention some details: Tested with mplayer (svn) out of OE.
Hi,

I guess you should have a look at the wonderful job done by balrog here :

http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/

He report QVGA @25fps for MPEG-4 video and managed to have the glamo do 
the hardware scaling.

Can't wait this gets into the official media player.


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Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

[Jay Vaughan]

>> So far i have tested 6 OpenMokos in Germany. With the internal  
>> antenna
>> i never got a fix in less than 1min 20 secs if ever (2 hours)  
>> (Perfect
>> conditions/ sirf3 need 36 sec cold boot). Even when i use AGPS. As
>> soon as i attach a external antenna it easily finds a lot more
>> satellites and connects withing 40 to 50 seconds.
> In Costa Rica I have never been able to get a fix.  I never tried for
> longer than half an hour though.
> And I haven't tried with an antenna either.  I should get one.



wack!  but at least we know now.

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Re: GSM Carrier

[ian douglas]

arne anka wrote:
> i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a  
> 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already.

I'm guessing that their current lineup of phones are so locked up in 
terms of software ability, it's never been *tried* before on TMobile's 
network? Perhaps I'm wrong.

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Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 04 July 2008, Jonathan Spooner wrote:
> Marcelo wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Kai Römer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 2008/6/27 Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> [...] cut a lot!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So far i have tested 6 OpenMokos in Germany. With the internal antenna
> >> i never got a fix in less than 1min 20 secs if ever (2 hours) (Perfect
> >> conditions/ sirf3 need 36 sec cold boot). Even when i use AGPS. As
> >> soon as i attach a external antenna it easily finds a lot more
> >> satellites and connects withing 40 to 50 seconds.
> >
> > In Costa Rica I have never been able to get a fix.  I never tried for
> > longer than half an hour though.
> >
> > And I haven't tried with an antenna either.  I should get one.
> >
> > Marcelo
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> In central england I've never had a fix either.  Switched to using
> standard shipped image and still nothing.
>
> Jon

Works in my bit of central England. As noted elsewhere ttff is a bit slow, but 
probably no worse than my Garmin Geko. Tracklogs from tangogps are no worse 
than from the Garmin, probably better, and once it's got the fix it holds it 
better than the Garmin. I'll try to test them side by side over the weekend. 
I don't have an external antenna to compare.

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Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

[Jonathan Spooner]

Marcelo wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Kai Römer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> 2008/6/27 Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> [...] cut a lot!
>> 
>
>   
>> So far i have tested 6 OpenMokos in Germany. With the internal antenna
>> i never got a fix in less than 1min 20 secs if ever (2 hours) (Perfect
>> conditions/ sirf3 need 36 sec cold boot). Even when i use AGPS. As
>> soon as i attach a external antenna it easily finds a lot more
>> satellites and connects withing 40 to 50 seconds.
>> 
>
> In Costa Rica I have never been able to get a fix.  I never tried for
> longer than half an hour though.
>
> And I haven't tried with an antenna either.  I should get one.
>
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Re: USB UMTS Stick

[thomasg]

At least for desktop PCs it's no problem at all.
I don't know if the usb host can provide enough power, but with a powered
hub it should work.
On the user side it's no difference to the internal modem of the neos.

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Ingmar RIeger <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> is it possible to use a USB UMTS Stick like the ones from t-mobile
> (http://www.t-mobile.de/surfpakete/0,12442,17837-_,00.html) at the
> usbhost of the FreeRunner? Are the kernel modules available or
> compilable?
> An is there a firmware for such sticks or isn't one needed? I know that
> many sticks are supported by linux, but whats with arm-linux? And is the
> stick-firmware, if there is one, depending on the hosts architecture?
>
> I think abaout this because I'm thinking about buying a 3G-Stick if
> it'll work for use with my notebook and the FR, if I have ordered and
> get min.
>
>
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Re: GSM Carrier

[Asheesh Laroia]

On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, arne anka wrote:

>> Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by 
>> setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to 
>> route all traffic over the VPN.
>
> i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on 
> a 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already.

If you think that's funny, T-Mobile wifi (in the US) allows you to route 
port 53/UDP to the world before you pay them.  So OpenVPN to a machine on 
port 53 and you're golden.

There is a common mistake in the geek community that once people are aware 
of the problems, they fix them.

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Re: audio/video support

[thomasg]

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 6:06 PM, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I did some basic testing with video and mp3:
> Both works, mp3 without any problem, video the resolution/quality fits.
> The Freerunner plays [EMAIL PROTECTED] fps at a reasonable bitrate. No 
> difference
> between internal flash and the microSD.
> The problem is, that this only works without scaling. If you want to play
> it fullscreen without wasting too much screenspace: forget it.
> The CPU cannot do the softwarescaling.
> I don't know if there ever will be a working XV-driver for the glamo, but
> if so, fullscreen with hardwarescaling is no big deal at all.
>
> Oops, forgot to mention some details:
Tested with mplayer (svn) out of OE.

Haven't tested the headset and probably never will. Too painful for my ears
:)
The speaker has a fine audio quality, better than most other phones but a
little bit less loud.
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Re: audio/video support

[thomasg]

I did some basic testing with video and mp3:
Both works, mp3 without any problem, video the resolution/quality fits.
The Freerunner plays [EMAIL PROTECTED] fps at a reasonable bitrate. No 
difference
between internal flash and the microSD.
The problem is, that this only works without scaling. If you want to play it
fullscreen without wasting too much screenspace: forget it.
The CPU cannot do the softwarescaling.
I don't know if there ever will be a working XV-driver for the glamo, but if
so, fullscreen with hardwarescaling is no big deal at all.
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Re: packing of my freerunner`s

[Charles Pax]

I like how the packing slip was forgotten.

-Charles

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> there is a short video from the packing-process of my freerunner`s... :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmlyR7u-zhI
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packing of my freerunner`s

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

there is a short video from the packing-process of my freerunner`s... :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmlyR7u-zhI

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Re: GSM Carrier

[Michael P. Cosby]

Well that's not really "easy". Remember, this is a mobile phone. So 
it's either completely closed or closed enough to make a project like that 
exceedingly difficult. So unless you happen to have a truly open phone (say, 
one running openmoko?) it's close enough to impossible that the carriers don't 
worry about it. And it'll probably take a lot of openmoko-based phones doing 
this before it becomes worth their time to try to plug the "hole".

- Michael


-Original Message-
From: "arne anka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, Jul 4, 2008 4:19 am
Subject: Re: GSM Carrier
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> Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by  
 setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route  
 all traffic over the VPN.

i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a  
5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already.

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Kevin Zuber]

Any news here?

I got the same error with the commands:
AT
STR=`AT'
RSTR=`OK'
AT+CPIN?
STR=`AT+CPIN?'
RSTR=`+CPIN: SIM PIN'
AT+CPIN=MYPIN
STR=`AT+CPIN=MYPIN'
cme error: 3
RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 3'

What could be the reason?

Thanks alot.

Kev

Am Donnerstag, den 03.07.2008, 21:29 +0200 schrieb Arne Zachlod:
> Holger Freyther schrieb:
> > On Wednesday 02 July 2008 23:48:59 Arne Zachlod wrote:
> >   
> >> Hej guys, I had got my today and i have tested it, but my 3G card
> >> doesn't function with it. he can't find a network and is unable to get
> >> the pin. (i have disabled pin with another phone, then there was only
> >> the problem that he doesn't find a network). but with other SIM Cards
> >> form same provider there is no problem.
> >> and other, non-3G-phones hasn't problem with this card, too.
> >> i have no idea where i can find any informations. the gsm.log file
> >> doesn't exist and my gsm-firmware-version is moko8. So, my question is:
> >> does anybody else has a problem with 3G Sim card?
> >> 
> >
> > In general minicom is your friend. Reenable the PIN on your simcard. 
> > execute 
> > AT to see if the modem responds to you (kill other users if not), reset 
> > using 
> > sysfs files if needed.
> > Once you get OK on an AT request do:
> > AT+CFUN=1
> > AT+CPIN?
> >
> > it should ask for SIM PIN..
> >
> > AT+CPIN=YOURPIN
> > AT+CPIN?
> >
> > it should say it is ready..
> >
> > AT+CREG=1
> > AT+COPS=0
> >
> > you should see +CREG coming by.
> >
> >
> > alternatively if you have qpe installed. You can go 
> > to /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Log.conf change all Enabled = 0 to 
> > Enabled = 1. Kill the qpe process, take a look 
> > at /etc/X11/XSession.d/89qtopia, copy the two exports to your console, run 
> > qpe and take a look at the chat qpe has with the modem.
> >
> > please share your results and if you don't know what I'm talking about ask.
> >
> > z.
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> I hope I have understood you correctly and did what u meant. this is the 
> console output:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m atcmd
> libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
> 
> 
> AT
> STR=`AT'
> RSTR=`OK'
> 
> AT+CFUN=1
> STR=`AT+CFUN=1'
> RSTR=`OK'
> 
> AT+CPIN?
> STR=`AT+CPIN?'
> RSTR=`+CPIN: SIM PIN'
> 
> AT+CPIN=
> STR=`AT+CPIN='
> cme error: 3
> RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 3'
> 
> 
> so, i don't know what this error means, but the PIN was right. i hope 
> anyone can imagine something with this, because i can't ;)
> 
> bye, Arne
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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Cédric Berger ha scritto:
> Peter Naulls wrote:
>> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>>> Yorick Matthys wrote:
 Are there other persons interested in buying one?
>>> I do :P
>>>
 We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner.
>>> Did you see this: http://tinyurl.com/6rmj5j :)
>>>
>> Also:
>> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=openmoko&category0=
> 
> Perfect ! I was just going to order an invisibleShield, choosing one
> for a phone with similar size, (I was ready to cut it to adjust...)
> 
> But :
> - is full body coverage made up from different parts  (screen / body)
> ? I don't think it is possible to cover both with the same sheet (not
> flat)

I figure it's divided, however I juts wanted a screen prtector :P

> - is screen sheet a bit larger (or smaller), or exactly at the size of
> the visible part of the screen ?

I don't really know, but since they should have the CAD files I hope 
they'll made the right size.

> I thought I'd better put a sheet a bit larger on the naked LCD, by
> first putting off the case of the Freerunner... with the added
> advantage to have the sheet acting as a joint for dust/water drops...

Yes, that's right... I'd prefer also a protector a little bigger, to be 
put under the top cover.

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Steven Kurylo]

> As I really wanted to get the phone, I didn't mess around with NAT
> settings to see exactly what was causing the issue, but I'm happy to do
> further testing.

It worked fine from behind my NAT.

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Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!

[Michael T. Dean]

On 07/03/2008 02:55 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
> I'm getting a Gateway Error 
> 500" before I even get a chance to enter my credit card info--i.e. when 
> it says, "Forwarding you to Hi_Trust..."
>
> Full text of the message is: "Error from the Hi Trust gateway: TrustLink 
> Server is closed. Or Merchant Server IP is not consistent with TrustLink 
> Server setting."

Seems this one has something to do with my NAT'ing firewall/router.  
When I tried from a computer with a direct connection to the Internet, 
it went through without a problem.  I tried all combinations of Firefox 
2, Internet Explorer, and Firefox 3 and the only difference in the 
systems was the network connection (and the fact that the one that 
worked--with the direct connection--was running Windows, but I'm pretty 
sure that's not the issue).

As I really wanted to get the phone, I didn't mess around with NAT 
settings to see exactly what was causing the issue, but I'm happy to do 
further testing.

I really hope their web site recognizes that internal networks exist, too...

Mike

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USB UMTS Stick

[Ingmar RIeger]

Hello,

is it possible to use a USB UMTS Stick like the ones from t-mobile
(http://www.t-mobile.de/surfpakete/0,12442,17837-_,00.html) at the
usbhost of the FreeRunner? Are the kernel modules available or
compilable?
An is there a firmware for such sticks or isn't one needed? I know that
many sticks are supported by linux, but whats with arm-linux? And is the
stick-firmware, if there is one, depending on the hosts architecture?

I think abaout this because I'm thinking about buying a 3G-Stick if
it'll work for use with my notebook and the FR, if I have ordered and
get min.


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Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

[Marcelo]

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Kai Römer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/27 Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> [...] cut a lot!

> So far i have tested 6 OpenMokos in Germany. With the internal antenna
> i never got a fix in less than 1min 20 secs if ever (2 hours) (Perfect
> conditions/ sirf3 need 36 sec cold boot). Even when i use AGPS. As
> soon as i attach a external antenna it easily finds a lot more
> satellites and connects withing 40 to 50 seconds.

In Costa Rica I have never been able to get a fix.  I never tried for
longer than half an hour though.

And I haven't tried with an antenna either.  I should get one.

Marcelo
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Re: GPS

[Kai Römer]

I can affirm this for 6 opemoko devices. i guess its an internal
antenna issue. as soon as you connect a external antenna to it works
like a charm. but fur me thats no solution.

TTFF with external antenna (perfect condition): 40 to 60 seconds
TTFF with internal antenna AGPS (perfect condition): more than 1:20
minute but not always. its like gambling.

I guess a miss design of the internal antenna.

CU Kai



2008/6/23 Peter Kraker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> This timings are insane unless you don't even have a valid almanac, which is
> rare. This doesn't look right.
>
> Yorick Matthys pravi:
>
> Marcus Bauer said:
>
>
> My experience with the Freerunner is ~12 minutes TTFF (time to first
> fix) without use of agps and ~4-8 minutes TTFF with agps from
> agps.u-blox.com using the software from openmoko.
>
> The Neo1973 (GTA01) had a TTFF without agps assistance of ~2 min.
>
>
> 12 minutes without AGPS and 4-8min with AGPS??
> I hope there was a thunderstorm inside the basement where you tested this...
> :)
>
> Seriously, these just don't seem realistic.
> Compare them for example with some other devices from 2003:
> http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/ttffcomparisons.php.
> Or from ublox: http://www.u-blox.com/technology/assistnow/ (table at the
> bottom of the page)
>
> Surely there must be something wrong with your
> software/settings/hardware/environment...
> (or maybe they still have a lot of work to do on the GPS :))
>
> y
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Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

[Kai Römer]

2008/6/27 Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[...] cut a lot!

>> Our tests on GPS TTFF where quite comparable with some of the best devices
>> available. However note there is some data GPS *has* to download from sat
>> for "virgin" fix, which may take as long as 12min due to low bandwidth the
>> sats offer (just takes this time for them to send one complete set of ephem
>> and alm),
>
> Under good conditions all modern GPS chips have a cold start TTFF
> ("virgin fix") of ~45secs. 12min is the value for 8 to 10 year old
> chips.
>
>> On tests done at Taipei the TTFF was around ~40sec without(!)
>> AGPS, IIRC.
>
> All reports on the MLs spoke about minutes or not getting a fix at all.
>
>> So this is a clear sw-issue.
>
> What could be the problem then? Usually you power the GPS up and you
> listen on /dev/ttySAC1 for the NMEA sentences. That's how it works on
> the Neo1973 and every other device. What software tweaking can be made?

So far i have tested 6 OpenMokos in Germany. With the internal antenna
i never got a fix in less than 1min 20 secs if ever (2 hours) (Perfect
conditions/ sirf3 need 36 sec cold boot). Even when i use AGPS. As
soon as i attach a external antenna it easily finds a lot more
satellites and connects withing 40 to 50 seconds.  So i think its
neither a software issue nor a satellite visibility problem but a
problem with the internal antenna or the wiring to this internal
antenna.

Can someone test this too and affirm my results?

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Olivier Migeot]

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you have friends who use Skype there's not much you can do about it -
> evangelising SIP is about effective as telling them to use Linux instead of
> Windows - but outside of the free calls there are VERY many advantages to
> open protocols.

Besides, you can have PC-to-PC free calls to, as soon as your
respective provides allow it (ekiga.net, anybody?)

Cheers,

OlivierM

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Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem

[Stroller]

On 3 Jul 2008, at 18:45, Forrest Sheng Bao wrote:

Well, I happen to have a bunch of friends which are not tech geeks,  
as well as my family members. They can follow instructions to use  
Skype without bothering me.


This is the same open/closed problem that exists with many protocols.  
I find it inconvenient chatting to people on the MSN or Yahoo!  
messenger networks, and later Word documents feature password  
protection which may render them difficult to read in other word- 
processors.


Plus, I am using SkypeIn/SkypeOut plan. I don't have a cell phone.  
So I hope I can continue using it on my new handset.


Well, if you have a new Openmoko handset one would expect you to get  
a cell phone plan.


PS: If you wanna call a traditional telephone from a VoIP client,  
there must be a company providing the service to bridging Internet  
and telephony network, right? Do you have such open source  
solutions? I think the company need to pay money to telephony  
service operator. Who will pay it?


This is basically the same as the SkypeOut plan you mention. You pay  
for that, right? The difference is that, using a standard SIP client,  
you have a choice of multiple providers (who may offer competing  
rates and quality of service) and you may run the telephony-out on  
your own landline.


Skype is great for individuals - if we ignore the Freedom element of  
the software & service - but SIP allows you much more flexibility.  
Sure, there would appear to be fewer people using standard SIP  
(although here in the UK many broadband suppliers offer discount /  
free phone plans which involve connecting a standard telephone  
handset to a DSL router which has a telephone socket and runs SIP  
software) but you can certainly make free internet calls with it. Not  
only that, but you can enable multiple clients to do so at one  
location, transfer calls cleverly between them, do call-forwarding,  
and if they need to phone out to the conventional telephony network  
then one billing account can be used for multiple users (presumably  
giving cost savings).


Geeks like SIP because they can run it on their own Linux server or  
choose to rent hosting. They can run clients on their PCs, on Macs on  
under Linux, on any mobile handset they like. We can rent multiple  
phone numbers - with non-geographic area codes (0845 or freephone),  
or with area codes in London or Los Angeles - and then do what the  
heck we like with those calls. We can answer them at the telephone on  
our desk or with software on our laptops; we can route them to  
different destinations depending on the time of day and allocate  
different extensions to different desks in the office. Outgoing calls  
can be routed by different providers depending upon costs - SIP can  
be used to link branch offices with free internet calls (multiple  
calls simultaneously) and calls outside the office can go through an  
ISDN bank, if you prefer that to paying someone else for point-of- 
presence on the POTS network.


If you have friends who use Skype there's not much you can do about  
it - evangelising SIP is about effective as telling them to use Linux  
instead of Windows - but outside of the free calls there are VERY  
many advantages to open protocols.


Stroller.



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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

[Cédric Berger]

>> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>> Cool. Anyway I've already taken one at ZAGG (the free shipping Worldwide
>> thing is so cool), and I got two discount codes too! :P
>>
>> I've always bought accessories (generally USB cables) before than the
>> phone itself. This time the story has not changed :)
>>
>> Looking for a good (1A-2A) usb car charger now! ;)


OK couldn't wait I also ordered one (screen only) at ZAGG.
So I also have 2 discount codes. If two of you are interested, just email me...

For the car charger I may first try to re-use old chargers from my
broken phones... should be ok at least for slow charge. Just have to
cut wires and also recycle an old mini-usb cable of mine...

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Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?

[Stroller]

Sorry to take so long to reply. The free email provider I use for  
mailing lists has been dodgy the last few days, and this morning 300+  
messages arrived in my Openmoko mailbox.


On 30 Jun 2008, at 14:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ...
> I'm searching for a bluetooth headset with 2 ears and 1 mic that I  
> can connect to the Freerunner, so I can hear music...and if a call  
> comes in, I press a button (at the headset or at the neo, that  
> doesn't matter) and then I can hear the other person over the  
> headset and speak with him/her over the mic of the headset.
>
> Is that possible? Where can I find such headsets?

Hi there,

I'm interested in this type of headset, too.

The Sony Ericsson HBH-DS205 looks nice - I assume it has a microphone  
built in to the "clip" unit? - but £40 (from an Amazon reseller) is a  
little more than I'd prefer to pay.

I have these alternatives bookmarked at present:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6zf6lx
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5knqh7
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5dews6
   [sorry - this last link adds to cart, but I can't find any other  
way to link to this site.
You may need to click on "view cart" to view the actual headphones]

I'm able to find a poor review for each of these products, but the  
most prominent Amazon reviews give them each 5 stars. Since there  
seem to be a couple of people here who are very happy with the HBH- 
DS205, I can't rule that out, but I would love to be able to consider  
these three headsets, too.

Stroller.


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Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop

[Kevin Zuber]

My Freerunner is just arrived, it was a very big surprise because I had
no "your freerunner is on the way" message - it just was here -
suddenly :) :)
Thanks a lot pulster! 

BTW. My 8 GB SD card seems to work:
/dev/mmcblk0p17.6G 32.0k  7.6G   0% /media/card
:)

But it won't take my pin of my German O2 (3g) sim-card..

Kev


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Re: The next shipment

[Timo Jyrinki]

2008/7/3 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.

The European / Indian resellers probably got all the 900GSMs for now.
Of course they've probably all sold out anyway the first batch,
pulster.de states the next shipment would be 25.7.

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Re: audio/video support

[Giorgio M.]

Il giorno ven, 04/07/2008 alle 11.31 +0200, Tilman Baumann ha scritto:
> Al Johnson wrote:
> > On Thursday 03 July 2008, Giorgio M. wrote:
> >> Does the Freerunner has an audio/video player integrated?
> >>
> >> which kind of audio and video files are supported?
> > 
> > The answer probably depends on what you mean by 'integrated' ;-)
> > 
> > There is a player in the GTK image that uses gstreamer and has a huge list 
> > of 
> > gstreamer plugins. The UI is somewhat limited at the moment, and last time 
> > I 
> > tried to play an MP3 it failed with a gstreamer error. That may be a result 
> > of using a daily snapshot rather than a release version though.
> It usually plays mp3 well.
How is the sound quality?

do you use openmoko headsets or your own?

Did you try to watch videos?
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Openexpo 2008 Zürich, Switzerland

[Andreas Zuber]

Dear Community

There will be a Openmoko booth at the next Openexpo in Zürich. I'll be there, 
and this year i'll not walk away all the time like in Bern. And i also hope i 
get a smaller notebook for the Openexpo that fits on the table :-)

Are there other people from the commuinity that may help informing the 
visitors about this greatest mobile phone of all mobile phones?

Date and Location: 24./25. September 2008  Eulachhallen Winterthur/Zürich, 
Switzerland

Hope i see you all there
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Re: audio/video support

[Tilman Baumann]

Al Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 03 July 2008, Giorgio M. wrote:
>> Does the Freerunner has an audio/video player integrated?
>>
>> which kind of audio and video files are supported?
> 
> The answer probably depends on what you mean by 'integrated' ;-)
> 
> There is a player in the GTK image that uses gstreamer and has a huge list of 
> gstreamer plugins. The UI is somewhat limited at the moment, and last time I 
> tried to play an MP3 it failed with a gstreamer error. That may be a result 
> of using a daily snapshot rather than a release version though.
It usually plays mp3 well.

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Re: GSM Carrier

[Federico Lorenzi]

Normally it is. If the provider allows you to access SSL sites,
there's not much the can do. Google for proxytunnel.

On 7/4/08, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by
>> setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route
>> all traffic over the VPN.
>
> i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a
> 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already.
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Re: Car charger to GTA02

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 04 July 2008, Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:
> > I'd like to buy one. Is this [1] good to get the full-charging speed
> > with the Freerunner?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > [1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360065251941
>
> Yes it is :)
> You only needs 1 Amp, this have 2 Amps

Depends what you're going to do with it. If you use a Y cable to charge the 
phone while powering another USB device you may need 1.5A.


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InvisibleShield screen protectors

[Cédric Berger]

Peter Naulls wrote:
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
>> Yorick Matthys wrote:
>>> Are there other persons interested in buying one?
>> I do :P
>>
>>> We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner.
>> Did you see this: http://tinyurl.com/6rmj5j :)
>>
>
> Also:
> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=openmoko&category0=

Perfect ! I was just going to order an invisibleShield, choosing one
for a phone with similar size, (I was ready to cut it to adjust...)

But :
- is full body coverage made up from different parts  (screen / body)
? I don't think it is possible to cover both with the same sheet (not
flat)

- is screen sheet a bit larger (or smaller), or exactly at the size of
the visible part of the screen ?
I thought I'd better put a sheet a bit larger on the naked LCD, by
first putting off the case of the Freerunner... with the added
advantage to have the sheet acting as a joint for dust/water drops...
(and that is also why I was not afraid to cut a sheet by myself...
rough edges would be hidden ! )

 Cédric

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Re: GSM Carrier

[arne anka]

> Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by  
> setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route  
> all traffic over the VPN.

i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a  
5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already.

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Re: Anyone attending Foo Camp?

[Federico Lorenzi]

Where? When?

On 7/4/08, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm setting up an Openmoko hack-a-thon and would love to know if anyone
> from this list will be there.
>
> Michael
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Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[Marc Bantle]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Thanks for the experiment, Marc!
>
> Most of the honor is due our kernel wizards extraordinaire, of course.
>
> With the recently posted NO_IDLE_HZ support and (perhaps) some of the cpufreq 
> patches, I'd expect even more.
>
>   
Pleased to read :-) I'll stay tuned!

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Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[Marc Bantle]

Tim Knapp wrote:
> Hi Marc,
>
> This is great news! Just to confirm the latest with the FSO image, when
> I looked at the youtube video demo'ing the interface last it was only
> capable of making/receiving calls - is this still the case?
>   
I believe so! I'm using milestone1 [1]

Cheers, Marc

http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/


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Re: 21h of battery live with FSO on GTA01

[Marc Bantle]

thomasg wrote:
> I still wonder what's so new about this?
> Standby had some bugs (especially when waking up after doing suspend 
> without reboot multiple times), but I'm sure that even in 2007 my 
> GTA01 did over 20h in standby (only).
Surprising!

The question for battery life has been raise
several times on the lists. I could never read
reports about standby past 9 hours for GTA01,
neither on the lists nor the wiki :-(
Did I miss something?

It seems well worth sharing here to make
documentation complete for everybody.

Marc









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