Bill Sun, Los Angeles Group Sales
Does anyonw know Bill Sun from the LA Group Sales wiki page? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Los_Angeles He's our 10th buyer and the only person I have not heard from yet. If I can't get a response from him in a week, I've got a buyer from San Diego who is interested in picking up the extra Freerunner in our order. Can the person in charge of the Community mailing list check if Bill entered his name when he subscribed, and send me his direct Email address so I can try again to contact him? Thanks! -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
anyone know when the phones are actually shipping within the US?
Hey all, Does anyone know when the phones are shipping in the US? One source I've read say they'll ship tomorrow, Monday July 7th, but I'm curious if they're shipping in the order they were bought? Will we get a follow-up Email with a shipping/tracking number? I'm trying to schedule a meet-and-geek for the Los Angeles group that coordinated for a bulk purchase, but without any firm expectation of when the phones will be in, it's hard to tell everyone when to show up to get their phones. Thanks, Ian Douglas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Los Angeles Group Purchase is Complete!
I'm one. What's the individual total? You can reach me below or directly at (562)761-1819 Thanks! Russell Dwiggins Assistive Technology Specialist Believe Ability, Inc. PO Box 325, Torrance, CA 90507 310-295-1024 x706 / 888-55-ABILITY phone/fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail is for the named recipient and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, distribution, printing or coping of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please respond to the sender, and delete the original and any copies of the e-mail. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:42 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Los Angeles Group Purchase is Complete! I'm writing up a notice to 5 of the 10 people from the wiki who were good enough to contact me to discuss payment options and a meet-and-greet. Through some basic collaboration, I went ahead and made the purchase. The other 5 people have a ticking clock before I sell their Freerunners to other interested parties! 7 days to contact me once they arrive (if they ship on Saturday, they should arrive on Tuesday). For those curious, a 10-pack of phones plus one debug board comes out as: 1x DBoard for $99.00 each 1x Neo FreeRunner - GSM 850-10 Pack for $3,690.00 each Subtotal : $3,789.00 USD Tax : $274.70 USD Shipping : $32.58 USD Total : $4,096.28 USD Looks like the tax rate is 7.25%, and the $32.58 is for 2nd day air via UPS. The slowest shipping option was $9.80. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ancient hardware?
I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all. The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies making available only applications which earn them money you have not really seen the same kind of innovation that we saw in the PC space in the early 90's. It will no doubt be a success in its own right, but what about other ideas... * IP phone over Wifi and integrate with Asterisk IP phone systems - changes to GSM outside the office. * In car navigation system. * Low cost taxi fare system. * Courier driver system that minimizes route time and allows dispatch to communicate. * Robotic platform and robotic control * Hospitals - used by nurses and doctors for prescriptions and observations as low cost tablet. The Neo could open up hundreds of vertical market opportunities that the Telco's currently have no interest in tapping. If you think that the Neo is simply a different kind of iPhone you are missing the point. Many applications may use GPRS, but may not even implement phone functionality. Some may not even use GSM. To me the attraction is that it has been designed from the ground up to run Linux, and there is a dedicated team working on the frameworks that will make delivery of these applications possible. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about our mailinglists
I was a little confused about all the lists myself. I have started developing apps on the Openmoko, but not for the core - aka I doubt my apps would ever be distributed as part of a standard distro as they focus on robotics. I think it would be good to rationalise the number of lists. Right now I simply subscribe to many lists. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Community > > We want to simplify around key communication points. What do you think > of the following: > > 1) Combine 'openmoko-devel' and 'distro-devel' into one list -- called > 'devel'. > > 2) Remove 'device-owners'. > > 3) Remove 'hardware'. > > Any concerns / comments? > > -Sean > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ancient hardware?
Hello, I've seen a number of remarks on this list that the hardware in the FR is ancient and this is the price of openness and freedom. I did a quick search for some of the parts: The Samsung 2442 SoC seems to date back to 2005. I got this from the revision history in the user manual [1]. The Antaris 4 GPS chip dates back to 2006. This is the from the 0635 datasheet revision history [2]. The Calypso GSM chip dates back to 2000. This is from the leaked hardware definition manual revision history [3]. The Accton 3236 WiFi chip dates back to 2006. This is from the ``2006.12'' at the end of the datasheet [4]. I haven't looked at the other chips. From the above, the GSM chip looks ancient. However, the other chips don't seem that old. And some recent devices are using these parts as well. For example, the RoverPC C6 introduced in December 2007 uses the Samsung 2442B at 300MHz. So, I don't understand the comments on ancient parts. What have we compromised on by choosing these parts? Thanks. Ajit [1] http://210.118.57.197/Products/Semiconductor/MobileSoC/ApplicationProcessor/ARM9Series/SC32442/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf [2] http://www.u-blox.com/products/Data_Sheets/ATR0630_35_SglChip_Data_Sheet(GPS.G4-X-06009).pdf [3] http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso2.pdf [4] http://www.accton.com/products/Datasheet/WM3236A.AQ.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about our mailinglists
El lun, 07-07-2008 a las 09:48 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz escribió: > Dear Community > > We want to simplify around key communication points. What do you think > of the following: > >1) Combine 'openmoko-devel' and 'distro-devel' into one list -- called > 'devel'. No comments here. I'm only subscribed to om-devel and the existence of distro-devel was unknown. > >2) Remove 'device-owners'. People subscribed to 'device-owners' must be a subset of people subscribed to 'community' so no harm here. > >3) Remove 'hardware'. 'hardware' has extremely low traffic now, all can be done in the future 'devel'. > > Any concerns / comments? > >-Sean > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
questions about our mailinglists
Dear Community We want to simplify around key communication points. What do you think of the following: 1) Combine 'openmoko-devel' and 'distro-devel' into one list -- called 'devel'. 2) Remove 'device-owners'. 3) Remove 'hardware'. Any concerns / comments? -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Assassin visiting the morgue...
Gilles Casse wrote: > If this vein is pursued, please note that Alzheimer, Ebola, JackTheRipper > are already reserved at sourceforge. My favorite comedian quote: "I used to play in a Death Metal band... Most Death Metal bands have dark names like 'Obituary' ... 'Mortuary' ... 'Rigor Mortis.' We weren’t that intense. We just went with 'Injured.'" - Mitch Hedberg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Assassin visiting the morgue...
+1 need a dictionary to figure out what a particular app (diversity, assassin...) is meant for :-( Just ridiculous, no? Please!!! Can we have decent names?! Even amaroK managed somehow. ;-) /j Am Mo 7. Juli 2008 schrieb Kevin Dean: > How about "Morbid" and "Macabre"? > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Gilles Casse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Some recent projects names are a little bit 'haloweenistisc': assassin, > > morgue. Using them all along the year, on a dark device, argh... > > > > If this vein is pursued, please note that Alzheimer, Ebola, JackTheRipper > > are already reserved at sourceforge. > > > > What a chance :-) > > > > Gilles > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: discount on invisibleshield protectors
Am Mo 7. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: > I don't have my Neo yet, but the case doesn't look like a material > that would easily scratch. Am I mistaken? I posted my findings some weeks ago. No, I don't consider to protect Neo's housing (if it's only for I get a new one easily [sorry]. Or maybe I'd like some scars and shiny corners better than an ugly foil - though I guess you won't see scars. Search for "scoopman" on ML - ~10Y, no scars) Screen protection probably is worth a thought (improved tactile IF on my PalmpilotV), but I'd always use an oversize sheet applied when front lid off. No f**king "match the corner", "place it right", cut-to-exact-fit. YMMV though /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: discount on invisibleshield protectors
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Steven ** wrote: > I don't have my Neo yet, but the case doesn't look like a material > that would easily scratch. Am I mistaken? > > -Steven > Based on video you can find on youtube, this stuff looks very promising. I'll let you know some time next week :) -- Stephen Shelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stephenashelton.com > On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Jeffrey Malone > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm curious how well these work. > > > > Does the cover have any real downsides? > > Eg: > > Difficult to apply/align > > Reduces touchscreen sensitivity > > ... or otherwise impairs the phone's use or operation. > > > > Thanks for any advice you can give > > > > Jeffrey Malone > > > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Stephen Pape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Yep, just enter pcworld20 as a promotional code for 20% off. > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Joseph Jon Booker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 02:23:37 +0300 > >>> Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Hey everyone and well done OM team for making this great open phone > >>> > almost in our hands :p i just ordered a full body protection from > >>> > invisibleshield and got 2 discount codes, anyone who wants just > >>> > contact me, come first , get first :p > >>> > >>> Same with my discount codes (same discount was given to pc world > >>> readers). > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Joseph Booker > >>> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: discount on invisibleshield protectors
I don't have my Neo yet, but the case doesn't look like a material that would easily scratch. Am I mistaken? -Steven On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Jeffrey Malone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm curious how well these work. > > Does the cover have any real downsides? > Eg: > Difficult to apply/align > Reduces touchscreen sensitivity > ... or otherwise impairs the phone's use or operation. > > Thanks for any advice you can give > > Jeffrey Malone > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Stephen Pape <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Yep, just enter pcworld20 as a promotional code for 20% off. >> >> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Joseph Jon Booker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 02:23:37 +0300 >>> Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> > Hey everyone and well done OM team for making this great open phone >>> > almost in our hands :p i just ordered a full body protection from >>> > invisibleshield and got 2 discount codes, anyone who wants just >>> > contact me, come first , get first :p >>> >>> Same with my discount codes (same discount was given to pc world >>> readers). >>> >>> -- >>> Joseph Booker >>> >>> ___ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community@lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Assassin visiting the morgue...
How about "Morbid" and "Macabre"? On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Gilles Casse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Some recent projects names are a little bit 'haloweenistisc': assassin, > morgue. Using them all along the year, on a dark device, argh... > > If this vein is pursued, please note that Alzheimer, Ebola, JackTheRipper > are already reserved at sourceforge. > > What a chance :-) > > Gilles > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Assassin visiting the morgue...
Hello, Some recent projects names are a little bit 'haloweenistisc': assassin, morgue. Using them all along the year, on a dark device, argh... If this vein is pursued, please note that Alzheimer, Ebola, JackTheRipper are already reserved at sourceforge. What a chance :-) Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: applying screen protector
arne anka wrote: >> btw: these are torx! Don't spoil with a phillips driver!!! > > of course! and it's hard to find a sufficient small torx driver. Try www.wiha.com. They should have branches everywhere and are IMHO some of the best tools I've ever used. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car charger to GTA02
Al Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 06 July 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: >> Am Sa 5. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): >>> btw has ever written the >>> howto (we was talking about some months ago) for adding an ID resistor >>> to a standard USB charger? >> Too many different usb-connectors out there, most of them molded and break >> when you open. >> So any howto very unlikely to appear. >> I'm currently looking for suppliers for adapters, maybe we may find one >> (see kernel-ml) >> >> cheers >> jOERG > > maplin.co.uk stock mini-b plugs, but the one I picked up yesterday doesn't > give access to the ID pin! I haven't yet found another supplier of mini-b > plugs in the UK, so I'm hoping I can get a connection to the pin with a > little delicate surgery. I ordered some from Digikey last week that are supposed to have the ID pin. I'll know for sure in a few days. H2958-ND I presume Digikey is available in the UK? M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Michael Shiloh wrote: > Holger is looking into the problem and trying to figure out why this is > happening and how to fix it. Your ability to reproduce the problem is > invaluable, as Holger can not observe this problem first-hand. > > If you can make yourself available for further experiments as Holger > suggests that will help us understand this problem. > > Thanks for your patience and understanding, > > Sincerely, > Michael [unlurk] Having the same problem with my O2 SIMCard, I too would like to offer my help in tracking down the problem. Just tell me if I can do something to help. [/unlurk] Regards, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Holger is looking into the problem and trying to figure out why this is happening and how to fix it. Your ability to reproduce the problem is invaluable, as Holger can not observe this problem first-hand. If you can make yourself available for further experiments as Holger suggests that will help us understand this problem. Thanks for your patience and understanding, Sincerely, Michael Kevin Zuber wrote: > So, what should I do now? Change my provider? Buy a prepaid sim card?... > Really, that can't be a solution. > > BTW.: I tested a sim card from a friend and it worked. It was an 9 YEAR old > simcard (G2)! > His provider is vodafone, but the sim card is so old, that there is an "D2 > Mannesmann" logo on it (an provider, that doesn't exist anymore). > > But no o2 card seems to work (in the meantime, I have test a 3rd o2 card in > my phone from another person, all three are g3). > > > On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:27:11 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Steven Kurylo wrote: now, I got some more infos, but it still doesn't work. Today I was on an O2 shop, too. They gave me a NEW SIMCARD and I tried >> it. Same again. It doesn't want my pin. I asked the man in the shop and he called someone, after this, he said >> that it is the newest simcard they have. So: Get a newer simcard is NO solution. >>> Actually if you look at your AT output, you're now getting error 32 >>> which is "Network not allowed, emergency calls only". I'm no gsm >>> expert, but my first thought is that O2 didn't activate the new sim >>> card. Try the new sim card in a different phone? Or double check >>> with O2 that the new sim card has been activated. >> Good theory - Ian, didn't we have this problem with your SIM card at >> SCALE? >> >> I've used prepaid SIM cards with good results - I always test in the >> store before I leave, for this very reason. >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR (was FSO Image gets it right)
> From: Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Graeme Gregory wrote: >> >> Well I have seen the future and the future is FSO. >> >> For the first time I have been able to make and receive phone calls on a >> gta02 without hassle. GTK+ software could no do this, qtopia software >> cannot do this. > > Scaredycats gtk/phonekit/the-plan[tm] build works well for my gta01. > I think this front end is the future. :) > But i would like to see this work with the FSO (Do we really call it this > way?) back ends... > Is someone working on this? > Someone is. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release and send me an email if you want to help out! > -- > Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. > Please print this mail only on recycled paper. > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
>> > Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make >> a >> > lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. >> >> fso addresses exactly this request. > Hmm? This is new for me, can you explain this? FSO is middleware only, > and has nothing to do with QT or GTK! exactly. the 2007.2 and the asu respectively use gtk or qtopia thouroughly, even for middleware. thus applications are hardly interchangeable. with the advent of fso middleware is expected to be (gui) toolkit agnostic, instead providing an api applications can use. thus applications making use of the fso apis may coexist as long as the necessary libs (qtopia, gtk) for the gui are installed, just like desktop distributions do. at least that's, what i understood from the discussions of the last weeks. if anybody knows better, feel free to correct me ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
Hallo arne, * arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-07-08 19:43]: > > Most modern Linux distributions would run both QT and GTK applications. > > Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a > > lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. > > fso addresses exactly this request. Hmm? This is new for me, can you explain this? FSO is middleware only, and has nothing to do with QT or GTK! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Tim Niemeyer signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HP calculator on neo1973 - was: More HW from Openmoko
This reminds me of the excellent HP emulator for Palms http://www.mobilevoodoo.com/power48.htm. Very fun. On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Rodolphe Ortalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indeed, very nice work. Please, do try to offer a bitbake recipe or > standalone easy to use package. > Btw, are there any licensing issues with this emulator? > > Rodolphe > > Le samedi 05 juillet 2008 à 15:12 +0200, Sander van Grieken a écrit : > > On Saturday 05 July 2008 09:34:55 Ken Young wrote: > > > I've got the x48 HP 48 series calculator emulator running on my > neo1973. > > > It was very easy to port - I just had to re-arange the screen layout a > bit > > > to have it fit on a VGA window, and cross compile for the ARM CPU. > > > A screen shot can be seen here: > > > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:HP48OnMoko.png > > > > > > If you want a copy of this program, email [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > > and I'll mail it to you. > > > > Great work! > > > > Maybe you can mail the patch to the (devel) mailinglist, or even create a > > bitbake recipe. > > > > grtz, > > Sander > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HP calculator on neo1973 - was: More HW from Openmoko
should be trivial since the version for IPaq (ARM CPU) already exists: http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/screenshots.html 2008/7/6 Charles Pax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Anyone working on getting TIemu ported? > > http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/ > > -Charles > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HP calculator on neo1973 - was: More HW from Openmoko
Anyone working on getting TIemu ported? http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/ -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard?
On Sunday 06 July 2008, arne anka wrote: > did it too and built openmoko-keyboard. > installation went flawlessly, the only trap was the need to reboot. > i put the three ipk and a short instruction at > > > http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 Nice job. Looks like I was wrong about the dependencies :-) Instead of rebooting you can stop and start /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm - sorry I forgot to mention that bit. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
> Most modern Linux distributions would run both QT and GTK applications. > Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a > lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. fso addresses exactly this request. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard?
did it too and built openmoko-keyboard. installation went flawlessly, the only trap was the need to reboot. i put the three ipk and a short instruction at > http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software Status Update
GTK is under LGPL and Qtopia is under GPL. This may mean nothing for the individual developer, but under GTK we may expect more "commercial", proprietary applications appearing. One can buy "commercial" license for Qtopia as well but this costs money. It is up to you to decide if more proprietary applications is bad or good thing. It may well be that the freedom - loving community may choose to enforce all contributors to share the source code, caring less about "this second" popularity. But this thing with the two licenses is important to remember when making decisions. Most modern Linux distributions would run both QT and GTK applications. Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. Audrius ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mapless GPS
The GPS Sight team thinks that to have such mapless GPS navigator it is the amazing idea. This is something on that we would definitely plan to work. It would the be nice to have a built - in compass sensor as some watches do as the the instructions would depend on how the device is oriented. But the moving vector clearly indicates where is the "front" of the user, so we would also known where his left and right side. The desired coordinates can likely be entered directly from the touchscreen keyboard. Not very elegant but at least simple to use. Thank you once again on giving hints on this. Audrius https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gpv/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting Started with your Neo Freerunner/de
Ich hab einen kurzen Blick drauf geworfen, sieht gut aus. Vielen Dank. christian Am Sonntag, den 06.07.2008, 14:51 +0200 schrieb einstein: > Hi, > > i try to translate the english guide > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner to > german > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner/de > > I hope people how understand this two languages better then me will have > a look on it and edit wrong things. So we get a hi quality wiki > > Thanks > > Greets > > Einstein > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Hi, > > I can confirm this behaviour with both my 3G sim cards (one from e-plus > > and one from o2). The sim entered is definitely correct and works like > > a charm in my nokia phone. > > Which behavoir? cme error: 3 from the original post or the more > recent cme error: 32? The error 32. I can actually reproduce the exact AT command sequence and the resonses Kevin posted. That's why I quoted it. Regards, David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: mokomakefile, eclipse
arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > firstly, debian/sid does not know cogito and g++-3.4 anymore. while cogito cogito is abandoned > g++-3.4 is not avaliable at all. > is it needed for anything else but qemu? qemu need its. a good guide for getting gcc-3.4 is here http://www.tellurian.com.au/whitepapers/multiplegcc.php > secondly: i fail to see, where the often mentioned build/ directory comes > from. is it created by a target of mokomakefile? yes ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
dfu-util upload problems
Hi, I have a little problem with dfu-util and my new Freerunner. I thought I'd make a backup of my Neo's filesystem before flashing new images onto it, so I tried to use dfu-util in upload mode to transfer the content of the Neo's flash to my desktop PC. Backing up the kernel partition works, but when I back up the rootfs partition dfu-util transfers about 247MB and then dies with "dfu_upload error -84", while the phone immediately reboots. It always dies at the same position, but I'm not sure whether the backup is complete or not. Further details: I've tried it on my desktop and on my laptop PC, with Ubuntu 7.10, Ubuntu 8.04 and a grml live-cd, with various dfu-util binaries and one built from SVN, but the error appeared every time. The phone was hooked up directly to the host (no hub or something), U-Boot version on the phone is the originally installed 1.3.2-moko12 from May 9. Any ideas what's wrong? Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard?
On Sunday 06 July 2008, arne anka wrote: > > It works. Where I used to get the multitap-pad I now get the matchbox > > keyboard. It's not as high so you get to see more of the app, but the > > keys > > are smaller so harder to hit without a stylus. It seems to offer a full > > keyboard, including Esc, Tab, Ctrl, Alt and cursor keys. > > could you offer an ipk somewhere for download? I'll see what I can do, but it'll mean tracking down a bunch of dependencies built at the same time, and sorting myself some externally available web space. It's really the sort of thing that should be in the community repository someone mentioned last week. If you have a working mokomakefile it's very easy to build yourself though: make build-package-matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod This makes the packages but doesn't update the package list in the repository directory, so opkg won't find it. I just rebuild the last image I made to do this, but there must be a more efficient way. You need to share the repository directories (under build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/ ) and add them under /etc/opkg/ on the Freerunner. I just copied the existing files, prefixing them with local-, and edited them to point at a local httpd serving the directories. After that just 'opkg update' then follow the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
>From what I've seen on the wiki the version of the Antares4 on the GTA02 doesn't have the memory needed to store almanac and ephemeris, last known position or time. This means that every start is a true cold start, unlike every other reasonably modern GPS we're comparing it to. It starts up thinking the time is midnight on 30th November 1999 and seems to need a fair bit of decent signal to convince it otherwise, contributing to the long startup time. It looks like there is a way around this if you look at the documentation for the assist. The AID-INI message needn't be supplied by a remote server; we can generate it locally to provide the sort of data that's stored internally most of the time. At the very least we have a fair idea of the current time and date. We should also be able to store location, almanac and ephemeris when we shut down the GPS, and provide it at the next startup. We can also have a stab at current location, based perhaps on cell ID or wifi data as discussed by some of the other threads, or on user input. I'll try to patch together something to do this based on the example perl client and server code, and see how much difference it makes. On Friday 04 July 2008, Kai Römer wrote: > I can affirm this for 6 opemoko devices. i guess its an internal > antenna issue. as soon as you connect a external antenna to it works > like a charm. but fur me thats no solution. > > TTFF with external antenna (perfect condition): 40 to 60 seconds > TTFF with internal antenna AGPS (perfect condition): more than 1:20 > minute but not always. its like gambling. > > I guess a miss design of the internal antenna. > > CU Kai > > 2008/6/23 Peter Kraker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > This timings are insane unless you don't even have a valid almanac, which > > is rare. This doesn't look right. > > > > Yorick Matthys pravi: > > > > Marcus Bauer said: > > > > > > My experience with the Freerunner is ~12 minutes TTFF (time to first > > fix) without use of agps and ~4-8 minutes TTFF with agps from > > agps.u-blox.com using the software from openmoko. > > > > The Neo1973 (GTA01) had a TTFF without agps assistance of ~2 min. > > > > > > 12 minutes without AGPS and 4-8min with AGPS?? > > I hope there was a thunderstorm inside the basement where you tested > > this... > > > > :) > > > > Seriously, these just don't seem realistic. > > Compare them for example with some other devices from 2003: > > http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/ttffcomparisons.php. > > Or from ublox: http://www.u-blox.com/technology/assistnow/ (table at the > > bottom of the page) > > > > Surely there must be something wrong with your > > software/settings/hardware/environment... > > (or maybe they still have a lot of work to do on the GPS :)) > > > > y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: applying screen protector
are them the same size of the ones needed for disassembling an Hard Drive? 2008/7/6 arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> btw: these are torx! Don't spoil with a phillips driver!!! > > of course! and it's hard to find a sufficient small torx driver. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: applying screen protector
> btw: these are torx! Don't spoil with a phillips driver!!! of course! and it's hard to find a sufficient small torx driver. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dual Band GSM
Am Sa 5. Juli 2008 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: > la, 2008-07-05 kello 14:01 +0200, Sean Lynch kirjoitti: > > Does anyone know if there are any plans for a Dual Band GSM openmoko > > phone? It'd be nice to have an 850/900 phone for use in the States or > > in Europe. > > You're confused. The phones are triband 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900, > called 850 and 900 models for short because that's where they differ. > (In hindsight, this probably invites the confusion for people who don't > know GSM.) > > The upshot, generalizing horribly much, is that either phone will work > on both sides of the pond in densely populated areas (where 1800/1900 > service is common), but not necessarily in the more rural areas of the > "wrong" side (where 850/900 is commonly needed). > > One _does_ hope future models will be quad for increased flexibility > (GTA03?). That's the plan /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: applying screen protector
Am So 6. Juli 2008 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: > > hole? one has a sticker on top -- what does that mean? > nothing, I guess. just force screwdriver thru it btw: these are torx! Don't spoil with a phillips driver!!! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: applying screen protector
Am Sa 5. Juli 2008 schrieb arne anka: > hi, > after a sight seeing tour cross town ups gave my om on thursday, yesterday > they dropped off the parcel! > now, i'd like to apply a screen protector -- how do i disassemble the > freerunner so the protector fits the whole screen? > i found > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 > but two questions remain: > - do the steps apply to the freerunenr as well? yes > - which screws are to be removed? the two right and left of the lanyard yes > hole? one has a sticker on top -- what does that mean? nothing, I guess. just force screwdriver thru it /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping to Canada...
Steven Kurylo wrote: > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Dave O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No ten packs :/ > > Although I've heard of Andrew Greig before, the koolu website doesn't > inspire confidence in me. I wouldn't trust them with my money. Koolu is a real company with real products of their own (the low-power PC on their web site, which is (perhaps not coincidentally) also mfg'd in a FIC factory). And if you know the Linux world, you'll recognize the name of their CTO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Hall_(programmer). They're probably not the first geek-run company to have web site issues, though (many on this list will remember the problems of OpenMoko's first web store, one year ago). Ian Darwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard?
> It works. Where I used to get the multitap-pad I now get the matchbox > keyboard. It's not as high so you get to see more of the app, but the > keys > are smaller so harder to hit without a stylus. It seems to offer a full > keyboard, including Esc, Tab, Ctrl, Alt and cursor keys. could you offer an ipk somewhere for download? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping to canada...
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Dave O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No ten packs :/ Although I've heard of Andrew Greig before, the koolu website doesn't inspire confidence in me. I wouldn't trust them with my money. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard?
On Saturday 05 July 2008, Al Johnson wrote: > > so, is there a fullblown keyboard (hopefully with up/down and tab, so one > > can sroll in hitory and use completion)? > > opkg list | grep keyboard > > gives only matchbox-strokes which looks nice but is not really functional > > I found the same as you last night. I was trying to follow the instructions > at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards > I've just used mokomakefile to build the packages: > make build-package-matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod > I'll let you know how I get on... It works. Where I used to get the multitap-pad I now get the matchbox keyboard. It's not as high so you get to see more of the app, but the keys are smaller so harder to hit without a stylus. It seems to offer a full keyboard, including Esc, Tab, Ctrl, Alt and cursor keys. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
> I can confirm this behaviour with both my 3G sim cards (one from e-plus > and one from o2). The sim entered is definitely correct and works like > a charm in my nokia phone. Which behavoir? cme error: 3 from the original post or the more recent cme error: 32? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dallas/Austin Group Purchase
Am Do 3. Juli 2008 schrieb Josh Valdez: > Just wondering if there is any more interest in the Dallas area for a group purchase. So far there are only three people. Also, we might be able to work something out with the Austin purchase as they almost have 20. To anyone in Austin, have you ordered yet? > > > > Congrats! your posting made it to 88% on spamassassin. Nobody loves HTML-mail! /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR Max downlink bandwidth
Lets say 6kb a sec. In a minute thats 360kb, in an hour it is 24000kb and per day that is 288000kb. In a month that could be 10656000kb or 10gb. But ssh will never use that much :) On 7/6/08, Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El dom, 06-07-2008 a las 17:08 +0300, Mikko Rauhala escribió: >> su, 2008-07-06 kello 16:01 +0200, Diego Fdez. Durán kirjoitti: >> > What is the max downlink bandwidth of FreeRunner? >> >> 80k for the 4 downlink timeslots. In theory. Practice, you can get >50. >> >> > It's just curiosity, I'm going to use FreeRunner to keep open a SSH >> > session to my server's control server and latency is the critical thing. >> >> Then why're you talking bandwidth? Latency is always bad with gprs. >> 0.5-1s usually. SSH is not pleasant but usable; done that semiregularly >> over gprs for quite a while. > > Now I get 250ms to 500ms when I'm in the city. > > I'm asking about bandwidth to estimate the daily max downloaded data so > my service provider don't fuck with the bill :) > > > -- > Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.goedi.net > GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB > > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car charger to GTA02
On Sunday 06 July 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Am Sa 5. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): > > btw has ever written the > > howto (we was talking about some months ago) for adding an ID resistor > > to a standard USB charger? > > Too many different usb-connectors out there, most of them molded and break > when you open. > So any howto very unlikely to appear. > I'm currently looking for suppliers for adapters, maybe we may find one > (see kernel-ml) > > cheers > jOERG maplin.co.uk stock mini-b plugs, but the one I picked up yesterday doesn't give access to the ID pin! I haven't yet found another supplier of mini-b plugs in the UK, so I'm hoping I can get a connection to the pin with a little delicate surgery. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR Max downlink bandwidth
El dom, 06-07-2008 a las 17:08 +0300, Mikko Rauhala escribió: > su, 2008-07-06 kello 16:01 +0200, Diego Fdez. Durán kirjoitti: > > What is the max downlink bandwidth of FreeRunner? > > 80k for the 4 downlink timeslots. In theory. Practice, you can get >50. > > > It's just curiosity, I'm going to use FreeRunner to keep open a SSH > > session to my server's control server and latency is the critical thing. > > Then why're you talking bandwidth? Latency is always bad with gprs. > 0.5-1s usually. SSH is not pleasant but usable; done that semiregularly > over gprs for quite a while. Now I get 250ms to 500ms when I'm in the city. I'm asking about bandwidth to estimate the daily max downloaded data so my service provider don't fuck with the bill :) -- Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR Max downlink bandwidth
su, 2008-07-06 kello 16:01 +0200, Diego Fdez. Durán kirjoitti: > What is the max downlink bandwidth of FreeRunner? 80k for the 4 downlink timeslots. In theory. Practice, you can get >50. > It's just curiosity, I'm going to use FreeRunner to keep open a SSH > session to my server's control server and latency is the critical thing. Then why're you talking bandwidth? Latency is always bad with gprs. 0.5-1s usually. SSH is not pleasant but usable; done that semiregularly over gprs for quite a while. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WLAN not working
Exactly what are you using in your config files, and what commands are you running? Which image are you using? Are you using a configuration that's known to work with your network on another machine? You could also try using wpa_cli to tell you a bit more about what's going on. Using the /etc/network/intercfaces method after running ifup eth0 I get an error from busybox sed which desn't accept the --quiet option, followed by: WPA: configuring interface ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported udhpc(v1.0.2) started Sometimes wpa_supplicant associates before udhcpc times out, and sometimes I have to rerun it to get an address. If anyone knows how to so debian-style network configs so that udhcpc is run on wpa_supplicant association as it is on gentoo I would love to know! Occasionally, for reasons I haven't yet discovered, wpa_supplicant fails to associate with the access point, then without changing the configs it will work again. On Sunday 06 July 2008, flexd wrote: > After updating and upgrading i now get exactly the same error as when i > specified -Dwext, so something is wrong something still :/ > > anyone got any ideas? > > regards > > Kristoffer > > flexd skrev: > > This is not working (adding -Dwext) i only get additional errors then: > > > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error > > > > Going to try updating and upgrading now. > > > > Al Johnson skrev: > >> I am using WPA-PSK successfully on the Freerunner using a simple > >> wpa_supplicant.conf and one extra line in /etc/network/interfaces as > >> described at the end of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan > >> It is on interface eth0 and the driver is compiled into the kernel > >> rather than being a module. > >> > >> I haven't tried this with the original image, but it has worked on every > >> other image I've tried. The original image may be using an older > >> wpa_supplicant version where the default driver was hostap (for prism2) > >> not wext as it is in the current images. If so then you either need to > >> supply the option -Dwext on the wpa_supplicant command line, or add an > >> extra line > >> to /etc/network/interfaces under the wpa-config one: > >>wpa-driver wext > >> > >> On Saturday 05 July 2008, flexd wrote: > >>> After some test and error on my FR, i have come to the conclusion that > >>> encryption (any type of encryption) does not work on the FR (atleast > >>> not the image it comes with), this seems to be either a kernel > >>> bug/misconfiguration or a problem with wpa_supplicant itself, it seems > >>> to be using PRISM2 drivers? But the card is atheros is it not? > >>> > >>> I am able to connect to open networks both the normal way (with > >>> iwconfig) and with wpa_supplicant, however connecting to encrypted > >>> networks has proven unsuccessful as wpa_supplicant complains about > >>> setting the encryption with this message repeatedly: > >>> > >>> ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported > >>> > >>> Not sure what's going on, maybe someone with a bit more info could > >>> reply.. :) > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Kristoffer > >>> > >>> Alexander Paersch skrev: > iwlist scanning works for me. I followed this guide: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > iwconfig? Or > > iwlist scanning? > > > > On 7/5/08, Christoph Anton Mitterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi. > >> > >> I've received my GTA02 yesterday :-) > >> > >> Flashed it to the most recent version > >> (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/)... > >> Unfortunately,... when I try to use WLAN I get this: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0 > >> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : > >> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. > >> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : > >> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. > >> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device > >> wlan0 No such device > >> > >> udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# > >> > >> > >> And when I use the following config: > >> # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), > >> ifdown(8) > >> > >> # The loopback interface > >> auto lo > >> iface lo inet loopback > >> > >> iface wlan0 inet dhcp > >> wpa-ssid "scientia.net" > >> wpa-psk "se
Re: Car charger to GTA02
Am Sa 5. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): > btw has ever written the > howto (we was talking about some months ago) for adding an ID resistor > to a standard USB charger? Too many different usb-connectors out there, most of them molded and break when you open. So any howto very unlikely to appear. I'm currently looking for suppliers for adapters, maybe we may find one (see kernel-ml) cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR Max downlink bandwidth
Hi all, - According to specs[1] FreeRunner has a Class12/CS4 GPRS Modem. - According to wikipedia[2] GPRS Class10/CS4 gives 60Kbit/s downlink and 40Kbit/s uplink. What is the max downlink bandwidth of FreeRunner? It's just curiosity, I'm going to use FreeRunner to keep open a SSH session to my server's control server and latency is the critical thing. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS -- Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken battery protection circuit (was: Re: Battery driver problems?)
Tobias Diedrich wrote: > That didn't help. > Looking at the battery circuit schematics I now think that the > battery protection circuit on this battery is probably broken. > > Discharging is still possible (now at 2.8V at the terminals), but it > does not accept any charge (I tried current-limited 4.2V/200mA at the > battery terminals and there is (almost, a few uA) no current flow). FWIW, I couldn't find the datasheet at the openmoko site, but this is the overdischarge/overcharge protection circuit datasheet: http://dl.sii-ic.com.edgesuite.net/spd_dtst/dt_sht_e/lithium/S8211C_E.pdf -- Tobias PGP: http://9ac7e0bc.uguu.de このメールは十割再利用されたビットで作られています。 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sale Vancouver, BC
Will they get the laser-keyboard, beamer and micro-nuclear-device included? *SCNR* On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 3:41 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folks in Canada should take a look at buying from Koolu. > > They are on our website as a distributor. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Cadieux > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 9:42 AM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: Group Sale Vancouver, BC > > Hi Rob, > > It didn't work out since the group wasn't full when sales started; not sure > if anyone in the group didn't buy direct. > > Best Regards, > Ben Cadieux > > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Rob Tymensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > > > If you've still got a spot open then I'm in... > > I'm assuming it's group 2 under Vancouver on the wiki, so I'll add myself > there. > > > > Please confirm. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob Tymensen > > > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Ben Cadieux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> We've got a group sale with 4 spots left for Vancouver, BC. If > >> anyone would like to join, please send me an e-mail and sign up on > >> the GroupSales wiki. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> Ben Cadieux > >> > >> ___ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Getting Started with your Neo Freerunner/de
Hi, i try to translate the english guide http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner to german http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner/de I hope people how understand this two languages better then me will have a look on it and edit wrong things. So we get a hi quality wiki Thanks Greets Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
mokomakefile, eclipse
hi, right now i am trying to set up a build environment w/ mokomakefile on debian/unstable following > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile firstly, debian/sid does not know cogito and g++-3.4 anymore. while cogito uis replaced with several *git* packages ( Package cogito is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it: gitk git-svn git-email git-cvs git-core git-arch ), g++-3.4 is not avaliable at all. is it needed for anything else but qemu? secondly: i fail to see, where the often mentioned build/ directory comes from. is it created by a target of mokomakefile? thirdly: does anyone use eclipse to develop and could share a few hints about how to set up eclipse for openmoko? regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Broken battery protection circuit (was: Re: Battery driver problems?)
Tobias Diedrich wrote: > Apparently it wasn't charged at all? (Voltage 3,324 Volts)o > > I think I'll try going back to the > http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/ > image... That didn't help. Looking at the battery circuit schematics I now think that the battery protection circuit on this battery is probably broken. Discharging is still possible (now at 2.8V at the terminals), but it does not accept any charge (I tried current-limited 4.2V/200mA at the battery terminals and there is (almost, a few uA) no current flow). -- Tobias PGP: http://9ac7e0bc.uguu.de このメールは十割再利用されたビットで作られています。 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
HP calculator on neo1973 - was: More HW from Openmoko
Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: > Btw, are there any licensing issues with this emulator? No. The emulator is open source, and the source code contains the statement: * This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify * it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by * the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or * (at your option) any later version. The calculator ROM images are a different story, but I'm not modifying them. They are available several places on the web. Ken Young ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WLAN not working
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Re: WLAN not working
Hi,
over here wifi is up and runninng using wpa-psk. i get almost the same errors,
only missing the lines with
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
- but its working. you could try running wpa_supplicant with the -dd option
(and | less, maybe) and see what the output tells you.
my wpa_supplicant.conf:
--
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
# WPA2:
network={
ssid="myNetSSID"
scan_ssid=1
# proto=RSN
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
pairwise=TKIP
group=TKIP
psk="secretpassword"
priority=50
}
---
and in my /etc/network/interfaces
# Wired or wireless interfaces
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
wpa-driver wext
cheers
markus
Am Sonntag, 6. Juli 2008 13:33:23 schrieb flexd:
> After updating and upgrading i now get exactly the same error as when i
> specified -Dwext, so something is wrong something still :/
>
> anyone got any ideas?
>
> regards
>
> Kristoffer
>
> flexd skrev:
> > This is not working (adding -Dwext) i only get additional errors then:
> >
> > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
> > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
> > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
> > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
> > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error
> >
> > Going to try updating and upgrading now.
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Re: WLAN not working
After updating and upgrading i now get exactly the same error as when i specified -Dwext, so something is wrong something still :/ anyone got any ideas? regards Kristoffer flexd skrev: > This is not working (adding -Dwext) i only get additional errors then: > > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error > > Going to try updating and upgrading now. > > > Al Johnson skrev: > >> I am using WPA-PSK successfully on the Freerunner using a simple >> wpa_supplicant.conf and one extra line in /etc/network/interfaces as >> described at the end of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan >> It is on interface eth0 and the driver is compiled into the kernel rather >> than >> being a module. >> >> I haven't tried this with the original image, but it has worked on every >> other >> image I've tried. The original image may be using an older wpa_supplicant >> version where the default driver was hostap (for prism2) not wext as it is >> in >> the current images. If so then you either need to supply the option -Dwext >> on >> the wpa_supplicant command line, or add an extra line >> to /etc/network/interfaces under the wpa-config one: >> wpa-driver wext >> >> On Saturday 05 July 2008, flexd wrote: >> >> >>> After some test and error on my FR, i have come to the conclusion that >>> encryption (any type of encryption) does not work on the FR (atleast not >>> the image it comes with), this seems to be either a kernel >>> bug/misconfiguration or a problem with wpa_supplicant itself, it seems >>> to be using PRISM2 drivers? But the card is atheros is it not? >>> >>> I am able to connect to open networks both the normal way (with >>> iwconfig) and with wpa_supplicant, however connecting to encrypted >>> networks has proven unsuccessful as wpa_supplicant complains about >>> setting the encryption with this message repeatedly: >>> >>> ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported >>> >>> Not sure what's going on, maybe someone with a bit more info could >>> reply.. :) >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Kristoffer >>> >>> Alexander Paersch skrev: >>> >>> iwlist scanning works for me. I followed this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > iwconfig? Or > iwlist scanning? > > On 7/5/08, Christoph Anton Mitterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Hi. >> >> I've received my GTA02 yesterday :-) >> >> Flashed it to the most recent version >> (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/)... >> Unfortunately,... when I try to use WLAN I get this: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0 >> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : >> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. >> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : >> SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. >> ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device >> wlan0 No such device >> >> udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# >> >> >> And when I use the following config: >> # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) >> >> # The loopback interface >> auto lo >> iface lo inet loopback >> >> iface wlan0 inet dhcp >> wpa-ssid "scientia.net" >> wpa-psk "secret" >> #wpa-scan-ssid 1 >> >> # Wireless interfaces >> #iface wlan0 inet dhcp >> #wireless_mode managed >> #wireless_essid any >> iface atml0 inet dhcp >> >> # Wired or wireless interfaces >> iface eth0 inet dhcp >> iface eth1 inet dhcp >> >> # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether) >> # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr >> auto usb0 >> iface usb0 inet static >> address 192.168.200.2 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> network 192.168.200.0 >> gateway 192.168.200.1 >> up echo nameserver 192.168.200.1 >/etc/resolv.conf >> >> # Bluetooth networking >> iface bnep0 inet dhcp >> >> >> I get this: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0 >> WPA: Configuring Interface >> ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: No such device >> ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: No such device >> Could not configure driver to use managed mode >> ioctl[SIOCGIFFLAGS]: No such device >> Could not set interface 'wlan0' UP >> ioctl[SIOCGIWRANGE]: No such device >> ioctl[SIOCGIFINDEX]: No such device >> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device >> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Hi, > Here is the AT command stuff: > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m atcmd > libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. > This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > > AT > STR=`AT' > RSTR=`OK' > AT+CFUN=1 > STR=`AT+CFUN=1' > RSTR=`OK' > AT+CPIN? > STR=`AT+CPIN?' > RSTR=`+CPIN: SIM PIN' > AT+CPIN="MyPIN" > STR=`AT+CPIN="MyPIN"' > RSTR=`OK' > AT+CPIN? > STR=`AT+CPIN?' > RSTR=`+CPIN: SIM PIN' > AT+CREG=1 > STR=`AT+CREG=1' > RSTR=`OK' > AT+COPS=0 > STR=`AT+COPS=0' > EVENT: Netreg searching for network > EVENT: Netreg registration denied > cme error: 32 > RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 32' > EVENT: Signal Quality: 31 > EVENT: Signal Quality: 31 I can confirm this behaviour with both my 3G sim cards (one from e-plus and one from o2). The sim entered is definitely correct and works like a charm in my nokia phone. Kind regards, David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WLAN not working
This is not working (adding -Dwext) i only get additional errors then: ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: Input/output error Going to try updating and upgrading now. Al Johnson skrev: > I am using WPA-PSK successfully on the Freerunner using a simple > wpa_supplicant.conf and one extra line in /etc/network/interfaces as > described at the end of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan > It is on interface eth0 and the driver is compiled into the kernel rather > than > being a module. > > I haven't tried this with the original image, but it has worked on every > other > image I've tried. The original image may be using an older wpa_supplicant > version where the default driver was hostap (for prism2) not wext as it is in > the current images. If so then you either need to supply the option -Dwext on > the wpa_supplicant command line, or add an extra line > to /etc/network/interfaces under the wpa-config one: > wpa-driver wext > > On Saturday 05 July 2008, flexd wrote: > >> After some test and error on my FR, i have come to the conclusion that >> encryption (any type of encryption) does not work on the FR (atleast not >> the image it comes with), this seems to be either a kernel >> bug/misconfiguration or a problem with wpa_supplicant itself, it seems >> to be using PRISM2 drivers? But the card is atheros is it not? >> >> I am able to connect to open networks both the normal way (with >> iwconfig) and with wpa_supplicant, however connecting to encrypted >> networks has proven unsuccessful as wpa_supplicant complains about >> setting the encryption with this message repeatedly: >> >> ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported >> >> Not sure what's going on, maybe someone with a bit more info could >> reply.. :) >> >> Regards >> >> Kristoffer >> >> Alexander Paersch skrev: >> >>> iwlist scanning works for me. I followed this guide: >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> iwconfig? Or iwlist scanning? On 7/5/08, Christoph Anton Mitterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi. > > I've received my GTA02 yesterday :-) > > Flashed it to the most recent version > (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/)... > Unfortunately,... when I try to use WLAN I get this: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0 > Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : > SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. > Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : > SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. > ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device > wlan0 No such device > > udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# > > > And when I use the following config: > # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) > > # The loopback interface > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > wpa-ssid "scientia.net" > wpa-psk "secret" > #wpa-scan-ssid 1 > > # Wireless interfaces > #iface wlan0 inet dhcp > #wireless_mode managed > #wireless_essid any > iface atml0 inet dhcp > > # Wired or wireless interfaces > iface eth0 inet dhcp > iface eth1 inet dhcp > > # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether) > # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr > auto usb0 > iface usb0 inet static > address 192.168.200.2 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.200.0 > gateway 192.168.200.1 > up echo nameserver 192.168.200.1 >/etc/resolv.conf > > # Bluetooth networking > iface bnep0 inet dhcp > > > I get this: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0 > WPA: Configuring Interface > ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: No such device > Could not configure driver to use managed mode > ioctl[SIOCGIFFLAGS]: No such device > Could not set interface 'wlan0' UP > ioctl[SIOCGIWRANGE]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCGIFINDEX]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device > ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: No such device > WEXT auth param 7 value 0x0 - Failed to disable WPA in the driver. > ioctl[S
Re: HP calculator on neo1973 - was: More HW from Openmoko
Indeed, very nice work. Please, do try to offer a bitbake recipe or standalone easy to use package. Btw, are there any licensing issues with this emulator? Rodolphe Le samedi 05 juillet 2008 à 15:12 +0200, Sander van Grieken a écrit : > On Saturday 05 July 2008 09:34:55 Ken Young wrote: > > I've got the x48 HP 48 series calculator emulator running on my neo1973. > > It was very easy to port - I just had to re-arange the screen layout a bit > > to have it fit on a VGA window, and cross compile for the ARM CPU. > > A screen shot can be seen here: > > > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:HP48OnMoko.png > > > > If you want a copy of this program, email [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > and I'll mail it to you. > > Great work! > > Maybe you can mail the patch to the (devel) mailinglist, or even create a > bitbake recipe. > > grtz, > Sander > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
So, what should I do now? Change my provider? Buy a prepaid sim card?... Really, that can't be a solution. BTW.: I tested a sim card from a friend and it worked. It was an 9 YEAR old simcard (G2)! His provider is vodafone, but the sim card is so old, that there is an "D2 Mannesmann" logo on it (an provider, that doesn't exist anymore). But no o2 card seems to work (in the meantime, I have test a 3rd o2 card in my phone from another person, all three are g3). On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:27:11 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Steven Kurylo wrote: >>> now, I got some more infos, but it still doesn't work. >>> Today I was on an O2 shop, too. They gave me a NEW SIMCARD and I tried > it. >>> Same again. It doesn't want my pin. >>> I asked the man in the shop and he called someone, after this, he said > that >>> it is the newest simcard they have. >>> So: Get a newer simcard is NO solution. >> >> Actually if you look at your AT output, you're now getting error 32 >> which is "Network not allowed, emergency calls only". I'm no gsm >> expert, but my first thought is that O2 didn't activate the new sim >> card. Try the new sim card in a different phone? Or double check >> with O2 that the new sim card has been activated. > > Good theory - Ian, didn't we have this problem with your SIM card at > SCALE? > > I've used prepaid SIM cards with good results - I always test in the > store before I leave, for this very reason. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard?
Hello, i installed the matchbox keyboard, like the wiki here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards the keyboard works quit well in the terminal or in the webbrowser. But i need the keyboard Icon on the top of the display, like the gps, battery or gsm icon. So i can start and stop the keyboard over the icon... thanks for your help greets Einstein Jay Vaughan wrote: >> Once upon a time it was possible on a Neo1973 to use a "terminal" >> which made Linux functionality available. For that you need not only >> the occasional slash or special text character, but Esc, Alt, and a >> set of characters. I am still hoping for an old-fashioned >> qwerty keyboard for that reason. >> clare >> > > > Once upon a time the terminal app in openmoko worked great for this, > if you had a bluetooth keyboard wired up. that stopped working > recently though, bummer .. > > ; > -- > Jay Vaughan > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Wiki Page: Latest Images
> Thus, I tried to resolve my own confusion by creating this wiki page: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images > great, thanks for doing that! its definitely helpful. . . ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard?
> Once upon a time it was possible on a Neo1973 to use a "terminal" > which made Linux functionality available. For that you need not only > the occasional slash or special text character, but Esc, Alt, and a > set of characters. I am still hoping for an old-fashioned > qwerty keyboard for that reason. > clare Once upon a time the terminal app in openmoko worked great for this, if you had a bluetooth keyboard wired up. that stopped working recently though, bummer .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
