Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **:
> Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it...  But why can't the
> Neo boot off USB power alone?

Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout.
All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't 
deliver. ->next blackout.
Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside 
PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much.

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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Ben Wilson:
> So the freerunner doesn't suffer from the problem in gta01 of squealing 
> (and potential damage) if you remove the battery while it's charging?

No reports so far. Seems we fixed that ;-)
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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
> Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> > Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
> >> Michael Shiloh wrote:
> >>> The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow 
> >>> Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 
> >>> Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics 
> >>> and hardware and understand about short circuits.
> >>>
> >>> Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately.
> >> Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it?
> > 
> > We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even 
dangerous 
> > procedures.
> > Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries!
> 
> Well, I don't think that one would to that just for fun... I figure that 
>   who will try a procedure like that is enough experienced and/or wants 
> to risk with his own device.
> 
> I'm simply saying that the method should be well documented in public 
> (since it's not the first time that occurs) underlining that it's only a 
> very dangerous "tip" and that the Om team doesn't suggest it, then 
> everyone can decide if following it.
> 
> PS: BTW I hope I won't use it since I've ordered also some extra an 
> battery and I've some compatible ones near me; I just wanted to express 
> my idea...

Actually I don't recommend this, not even with warning note. There are better 
ways do cope with this: hotswap or external LiIon charger/other cellphone.

Battery has max chrg V of ~4.2V and max I of ~1A. Anybody needing to know more 
on it, shouldn't even think about it. The ones who think they understood the 
above: formating charge current when bat is deeply discharged shouldn't even 
exceed 50~100mA! Otherwise U might kill bat. LiIon is tricky!

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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko:
> then why not to ask Randy S (who already steadily experiencing
> such an issue without much of fiddling with weather/location/manner of
> holding) to do additional troubleshooting and if it is unit specific,
> just to send the unit back for the replacement (and for you to
> troubleshoot on a defective unit 'as a reference')?

It's not unit specific. This at least we already can say.
Slight variations in severity, but I didn't get to reproduce it even 
with "known bad" devices, here at my lab. This "known bad" FR performed 
better than a Nokia6210 I used for reference. At my lab. :-/
But it's basically a EMI-shielding issue, it seems. We're on it.

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Re: clarification: images vs upgrade

[Clare]

Yes, just installing a new version should get the latest, and be quicker.
Later when you have installed things not in the standard install, and
possibly put them on the SD card where there is more space,  you may
need to do upgrade, and possibly would choose to do both.

I am not sure if there is a basic part of the install that is not part
of an upgrade and only gets altered
with a new version. If there is I would like to know how to recognise
it. = Anyone?

clare

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i still try to figure out whether i need to flash or update && upgrade
> does the same for me.
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Re: Qtopia Speakerphone

[Mike Montour]

Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> There's some AT-command to send to modem 
> to stop sidetone path in modem. Mickey knows more on this.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]"-26"

Reference: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem


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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Ben Wilson]

So the freerunner doesn't suffer from the problem in gta01 of squealing 
(and potential damage) if you remove the battery while it's charging?

Ben.

Michael Shiloh wrote:
> 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will 
> remain running, powered by charger
>
>   

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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

then why not to ask Randy S (who already steadily experiencing
such an issue without much of fiddling with weather/location/manner of
holding) to do additional troubleshooting and if it is unit specific,
just to send the unit back for the replacement (and for you to
troubleshoot on a defective unit 'as a reference')?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:

> Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick:
> > I don't get "some people" have experienced audio issues? 

> > Is this an indication of the level of quality control in manufacture ring?

> > Scott

> This is a short form of description of the *very* random and statistic nature 
> of this issue. We got some reports from customers about this noise.
> We are still investigating on what conditions need to come together to 
> produce 
> this problem. Seems like carrier, band(850,900,1800,1900), location, time of 
> day, weather(yeah!), way to hold the device(!), open or closed doors and 
> windows etc etc etc, all influence this.
> On my setups to reproduce, I constantly failed to create this noise on FR, 
> but 
> had bad noise on a decent Nokia I used for reference purposes. Mention this, 
> just to illustrate the problems we see on evaluating the issue.

> Thus far we have no clear data on that, and we have no exact reports on 
> number 
> of people who experience this problem.

> As soon as things are more clear, we will report on it.
> Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little 
> difficult 
> without exact idea of the way this happens).


> /jOERG
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Re: External Cell Antenna

[BrendaWang]

Hi ,
This page is FreeRunner GPS antenna repair SOP. Provide by Tim. 
(Openmoko hardware engineer).

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP

About the software site , I listed the topic we had on wiki below:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Sight

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_GPS_console_output_with_gllin

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:GPS


Brenda
steve ??:
>  
> Brenda runs the wiki. Brenda can  you point to this?
> Or Michael do yu have this on your blog
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:49 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: External Cell Antenna
>
> Yes it would!  A list of connectors would be nice too. 
>
> Scott
>
> steve wrote:
>   
>> Well, perhaps We should consider releasing  PDFs of the schematics.
>>
>> Would that help?  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott 
>> Derrick
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:49 AM
>> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> Subject: External Cell Antenna
>>
>> I was hoping the external ant port on the FreeRunner was for the cell 
>> modem and was disappointed to find out it was for the GPS.
>>
>> Any diagrams available on how to add an antenna  port myself?   What 
>> contacts to solder to, etc...  Will I need a switch to enable an 
>> external antenna or will it just use it?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>   
>> 
>
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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
>> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>>> The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow 
>>> Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 
>>> Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics 
>>> and hardware and understand about short circuits.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately.
>> Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it?
> 
> We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even dangerous 
> procedures.
> Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries!

Well, I don't think that one would to that just for fun... I figure that 
  who will try a procedure like that is enough experienced and/or wants 
to risk with his own device.

I'm simply saying that the method should be well documented in public 
(since it's not the first time that occurs) underlining that it's only a 
very dangerous "tip" and that the Om team doesn't suggest it, then 
everyone can decide if following it.

PS: BTW I hope I won't use it since I've ordered also some extra an 
battery and I've some compatible ones near me; I just wanted to express 
my idea...

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Thomas B.]

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:16:01PM +0200, Thomas B. wrote:
> I have a slightly different problem: The battery does get charged, but
> the screen doesn't dim or get switched off, although I told it to do
> that in the settings. That's a bit annoying, and it's probably not very
> healthy for the display, too.
> 
> Is this also an apm problem, and can it be worked around?

I just noticed that there is already a newer Qtopia snapshot available
for download than the one I have installed (mine is from Friday). I'd
love to try that one out, maybe it solves my problem quoted above.

Now my next question is: Is there a way to upgrade Qtopia to the new
snapshot without losing my data (e.g. contacts and messages)? Backing up
the data and writing it back after the upgrade would be fine, but I
don't know where the data is stored.

Regards,
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Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Steven **]

Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it...  But why can't the
Neo boot off USB power alone?

-Steven

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Your Freerunner is failing to boot with a dead (or missing) battery.
> Without booting, the Freerunner can not turn on the charger.
>
> There are 3 workarounds to this:
>
> The easiest workaround is to boot with a spare battery, which can be
> from another Neo (GTA01 or GTA02) or a Nokia BL-4C or BL-5C and I think
> also a BL-3C:
>
> 1. Boot with the spare battery and attach your charger.
>
> 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will
> remain running, powered by charger
>
> 3. Insert dead battery and let it charge
>
> The second method involves charging your battery in an external charger.
>
> The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow
> Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5
> Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics
> and hardware and understand about short circuits.
>
> Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately.
>
> Regards,
> Michael
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> hi all
>> last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge 
>> them...it was 2 o`clock AM
>> and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the 
>> batteries run down...
>> now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out 
>> from the speaker and see the red led
>> on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner 
>> upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash
>> and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-(
>> is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...?
>> i try to flash it with the debug board...
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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow 
> > Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 
> > Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics 
> > and hardware and understand about short circuits.
> > 
> > Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately.
> 
> Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it?

We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even dangerous 
procedures.
Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries!

/jOERG


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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Tim Schmidt:
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little 
difficult
> > without exact idea of the way this happens).
> 
> Meaning, the improvement will show up in a new rev of the Freerunner,
> or in the next model phone?

Depends on which kind of improvement we are ending with. Obviously sth like a 
metal case for shielding can't be done as a simple FR product revision - just 
for example. Simple change of a component value is a completely different 
story.
For now no results thus no statement. ;-)

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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Michael Shiloh wrote:
> The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow 
> Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 
> Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics 
> and hardware and understand about short circuits.
> 
> Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately.

Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it?

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Re: AW: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am So  13. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> It mean the same as one know this from a car with a very low battery... 
(bridged )
> just put another battery (I think it`s important, that the second battery 
have the same Volt) parallel to the 
> original battery. 
> If so, the FR can take the power from the two batteries...

This might fail:
if your battery is "dead", it has low voltage. Now you "jumpstart" with a 
second battery, and FR boots. But same time the dead bat's internal 
protection might trigger for too high charging current from much higher 
voltage from parallel battery. This protection circuit needs to reset, what 
might not happen until you stop to try to charge it, and in fact discharge it 
a short while. 
So it's better practice to start the FR just from the good battery, and insert 
the dead one after boot has completed and jumpstart bat has been removed.

/jOERG


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Re: mailing list merge

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Arthur Marsh wrote:
> Could someone please contact the gmane.org and see if the surviving 
> lists could be re-subscribed *without* email address scrambling?

I'm using Gmane too (well, using nntp for MLs rocks!), btw I've sent a 
subscription request to Gmane asking for scrambling the addresses since 
the past list used this feature (I figure for spam security).

However I think that it's cool since you can get the real address simply 
loading an url like this:
  - http://gmane.org/get-address.php?address=${EMAIL-ADDRESS}

Then, Gmane is enough smart to allow you to reply to these scrambled 
addresses without changing them: if they don't know the sender's address 
you get a confirmation mail, otherwise your mail will be automatically 
redirected to the real address!

> I would like to have the option to make off-list replies.

They works! ;)
Check your mail! ^_^

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Re: Information about mailinglist merge

[Vinc Duran]

I think this is a good move.

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 7/14/08 Maximilian Bauer wrote:
> > the mailinglist device-owners will change its name to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] from this point on we will deactivate
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and .com. please use the new list instead.
>
> Let me add a bit more here...Tony Tu will be "moderating" this support
> list and helping to organizing a knowledge base out of everyone's
> questions / support issues. He will explain more shortly...
>
> Please try your best to keep this list on topic. It's for support for
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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Michael Shiloh]

Hi,

Your Freerunner is failing to boot with a dead (or missing) battery. 
Without booting, the Freerunner can not turn on the charger.

There are 3 workarounds to this:

The easiest workaround is to boot with a spare battery, which can be 
from another Neo (GTA01 or GTA02) or a Nokia BL-4C or BL-5C and I think 
also a BL-3C:

1. Boot with the spare battery and attach your charger.

2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will 
remain running, powered by charger

3. Insert dead battery and let it charge

The second method involves charging your battery in an external charger.

The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow 
Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 
Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics 
and hardware and understand about short circuits.

Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately.

Regards,
Michael

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hi all
> last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge 
> them...it was 2 o`clock AM
> and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the 
> batteries run down...
> now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from 
> the speaker and see the red led 
> on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner 
> upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash
> and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-(
> is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...?
> i try to flash it with the debug board...
> 
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Re: Qtopia Speakerphone

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am So  13. Juli 2008 schrieb Yochai Gal:
> Hi all, the qtopia image makes the FreeRunner almost a usable phone, but I
> have a problem. I was able to get the audio to work by creating the symlink
> below, but the speakerphone still doesn't work --- it emits a loud beep
> sound instead.  Any ideas? Thanks so much.
> 
> lln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa
> 
> yochai
> 

The mixer settings for speakerphone, which are restored 
from /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios, have to be fixed to eliminate path from 
mic to speaker, to avoid this feedback.
Also there is a second place to look at to tweak sidetone path (that's what 
it's called, also the alsamixer settings are named in a braindead way here! 
Don't get fooled!), in modem setup. There's some AT-command to send to modem 
to stop sidetone path in modem. Mickey knows more on this.


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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Tim Schmidt]

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little difficult
> without exact idea of the way this happens).

Meaning, the improvement will show up in a new rev of the Freerunner,
or in the next model phone?

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Re: wiki:gps: rephrasing?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Antenna is pointing front longaxis.
You have to hold device upright (lanyard hole to ground, AUX-key to sky)!
/jOERG

Am So  13. Juli 2008 schrieb arne anka:
> hi,
> i found
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems#Basic_GPS_debugging
> 
> which starts as follows:
> 
> > ... (the screen the right way up, with the top of the phone facing up,  
> > and the screen facing the horizon) ...
> 
> well, i have to confess my command of english is not sufficient to  
> understand it.
> could someone please rephrase?
> 
> thx
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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Mo  14. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick:
> I don't get "some people" have experienced audio issues? 
> 
> Is this an indication of the level of quality control in manufacture ring?
> 
> Scott

This is a short form of description of the *very* random and statistic nature 
of this issue. We got some reports from customers about this noise.
We are still investigating on what conditions need to come together to produce 
this problem. Seems like carrier, band(850,900,1800,1900), location, time of 
day, weather(yeah!), way to hold the device(!), open or closed doors and 
windows etc etc etc, all influence this.
On my setups to reproduce, I constantly failed to create this noise on FR, but 
had bad noise on a decent Nokia I used for reference purposes. Mention this, 
just to illustrate the problems we see on evaluating the issue.

Thus far we have no clear data on that, and we have no exact reports on number 
of people who experience this problem.

As soon as things are more clear, we will report on it.
Meanwhile we are about to improve the hw to cope with this (a little difficult 
without exact idea of the way this happens).


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Re: Information about mailinglist merge

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On 7/14/08 Maximilian Bauer wrote:
> the mailinglist device-owners will change its name to 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] from this point on we will deactivate 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and .com. please use the new list instead. 

Let me add a bit more here...Tony Tu will be "moderating" this support 
list and helping to organizing a knowledge base out of everyone's 
questions / support issues. He will explain more shortly...

Please try your best to keep this list on topic. It's for support for 
existing device owners. Not questions about how the device or software 
functions.

Hopefully this will help us react faster to one another. Thanks!

   -Sean

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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

steve wrote:
> If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will
> not charge it.
> 
> We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these
> options.
> 
> 
> 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds.

If I remember right, there's also a good explanation in this long thread 
by steve [1] in kernel list.

[1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/3209

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Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

[Paul Jimenez]

Alex Oberhauser wrote:
> Bumbl wrote:
>   
>> It would be more important to not run everything as root I think
>> 
>
> This will be also a main focus. When we receive the Freerunners, we will see
> how fast we can change this bad state.
>
>   

Personally, I'd be more interested in an encrypted filesystem so that I 
can worry less about snoopy people getting access to my personal data if 
I lose my phone or it's stolen.  How many 'main focuses' are you allowed 
? :)

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Re: Better keyboard?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Jim Morris ha scritto:
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> 
>> Well... I got it! :)
>> SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it 
>> taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki 
>> section:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard
>>
>> Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in 
>> my linux pc and it works well!
>>
>> Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P
>>
> 
> I'll give it a shot...
> 
> However I get this error doing om-conf
> 
> checking for FAKEKEY... no
> configure: error: *** You need to install libfakekey from MB SVN  ***
> 
> I have FAKEKEY installed on my Ubuntu box, not sure how to get it into the 
> tool chain though as I'm 
> new to it. Guess I'll do some digging around.

In Ubuntu I had to install libfakekey-dev to compile.
However I've also ported and applied the thseiler's popup patch to this 
version (I could attach it somewhere if you want, but it's still 
incomplete since it's show only the clicked letter on a small pop-up 
window).
I'd like also to redesign it a little, to gain a bit more space while my 
FR is coming... :P

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Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Joerg Reisenweber]

No use in connecting a FR to any source to charge bat, as long as it doesn't 
boot up. Actually it drains battery even further, instead of charging.
Battery is only charged when booting succeeds.
Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out.

Get FR booted by any means 
1.:Remove sim-card!
2.:Use wallcharger to startup. 
3:borrow battery, apply 4.5V (<5V!!!) to + and minus of battery connector in 
FR. 
After 5~10sec FR should come up and you don't need startup-battery or 
4.5V-power-source any more - remove it! FR should run happily from 
wallcharger.
Now *don't* power down, and insert dead battery. battery is going to charge 
now.

Alternative way: find a charger for nokia-bat, or even use an old nokia to 
charge dead battery. e.g. 6230i. If you find a friend who could lend a 
battery to you, maybe he might prefer to take your bat and charge it for a 
short while.

sorry for the inconvenience. 
Usually we shouldn't see "dead" batteries. We expect to fix the deep-discharge 
of bat at software side. 
The problems with no startup on dead bat are partially a hw-issue. Though 
Werner has a new u-boot that might help (coming soon), especially when you 
got a device that flashes red aux-led (good sign!).

cheers
jOERG


Am So  13. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation...
> thx
> 
> Ursprüngliche Nachricht
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16
> An: "List for Openmoko community discussion", 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Kopie: "Michael Shiloh"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
> 
> If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will
> not charge it.
> 
> We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these
> options.
> 
> 
> 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds.
> 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl,
> 5bl, 6bl)
> 3. Get a replacement battery.
> 
>  
> 
> Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
> 
> while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this:
> 
> > Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's 
> > battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on 
> > the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, 
> > start the Phone).
> 
> anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not
> finished the thread yet).
> regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh?
> 
> btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image?
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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Scott Derrick]

I don't get "some people" have experienced audio issues? 

Is this an indication of the level of quality control in manufacture ring?

Scott

steve wrote:
> I use mine. My kids used theirs till I gave it away to somebody else.
>
> That said, some people have expereince audio issues. Engineering is on the
> issue.
>
> Steve 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yaroslav
> Halchenko
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:44 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?
>
> wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a phone
> would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and developers resolve
> the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some improvements).
>
> Thanks for making us aware (my FR is still on its way) 
>
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Yorick Moko wrote:
>
>   
>>there is some talk about this on the devel-list:
>>[1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560.
>>html
>>[2]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562.
>>html
>>[3]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563.
>>html
>> 
>
>   
>>On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>wrote:
>> 
>
>   
>>  I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone.  Mine
>>  has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a
>>  phone.  The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the
>>  other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz.
>>  I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA.
>> 
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Adam Talbot]

Let us see if I can help with this.  All my new cards do not work.  I
did clean off the numbers.. Even if it is not needed.
http://www.batbuilds.com/working_front.jpg
http://www.batbuilds.com/working_back.jpg
http://www.batbuilds.com/failed_front.jpg
http://www.batbuilds.com/failed_back.jpg

Hope this helps.
-Adam
P.S.  I will see the Openmoto team at SF Linux world.  If they want all
these sims, I will donate them to the cause.


On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 02:18 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote:
> steve wrote:
> > Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers have
> > issues,  a table by country by carrier.
> 
> hi steve, michael, brenda, community.
> 
> that does not make real sense.
> the issues we are seeing with some sim-cards are not carrier-related,
> but related to which specific model of sim-card they bought.
> 
> currently it seems that old gemplus sim-cards have this issue, but we
> need more people with and without problems to submit pictures of the
> contact-side if the sim.
> the only universal way we currently have to identify which manufacturer
> and model the sim really is, is to have a scan/sharp photo.
> the numbers on it are not unified and thus cannot be universally used to
> look up which type it is.
> also carriers tend to have multiple types of sim in use over the years
> and also switch manufacturers from time to time.
> 
> see the attached pictures on ticket 666
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666
> 
> at the moment i am not yet sure if we have a electrical or mechanical
> problem, but the current state from my point of view is: 'some type of
> gemplus simcards (the 2 different types with round edges/ contact
> plates) give trouble/do not work.
> 
> > This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and for
> > advising people prior to purchase.
> 
> indeed. also this needs more samples of which sims work and not work to
> finally know whats going on and what to tell people to do as workaround.
> 
> so please do a shot like this:
> 
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/666/sim1.jpg
> 
> sharp, contact side. label the file as 'sim working' or 'sim notworking'
> and attach it to this ticket in the wiki.
> 
> also would be nice to have some comment about which carrier, and when it
> was given out, if you think its a '3g sim' and, if you want, the numbers
> on it.
> but thats 'cream on top', not essential, since this is a
> carrier-independant problem it seems.
> 
> kind regards.
> 
> 
> ps: because it seems a often asked question:
> the numbers of the sim are not directly 'secret' or need to be kept
> confidential.
> one cannot clone or locate your sim/phone with knowledge of these.
> only the carrier who gave the sim out could identify or duplicate the
> sim, and would not need the numbers on the original for that because
> that information which one could look up is in their databases already.
> so no harm done by having them in a photo.
> 
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Joachim Steiger]

steve wrote:
> Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers have
> issues,  a table by country by carrier.

hi steve, michael, brenda, community.

that does not make real sense.
the issues we are seeing with some sim-cards are not carrier-related,
but related to which specific model of sim-card they bought.

currently it seems that old gemplus sim-cards have this issue, but we
need more people with and without problems to submit pictures of the
contact-side if the sim.
the only universal way we currently have to identify which manufacturer
and model the sim really is, is to have a scan/sharp photo.
the numbers on it are not unified and thus cannot be universally used to
look up which type it is.
also carriers tend to have multiple types of sim in use over the years
and also switch manufacturers from time to time.

see the attached pictures on ticket 666
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666

at the moment i am not yet sure if we have a electrical or mechanical
problem, but the current state from my point of view is: 'some type of
gemplus simcards (the 2 different types with round edges/ contact
plates) give trouble/do not work.

> This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and for
> advising people prior to purchase.

indeed. also this needs more samples of which sims work and not work to
finally know whats going on and what to tell people to do as workaround.

so please do a shot like this:

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/666/sim1.jpg

sharp, contact side. label the file as 'sim working' or 'sim notworking'
and attach it to this ticket in the wiki.

also would be nice to have some comment about which carrier, and when it
was given out, if you think its a '3g sim' and, if you want, the numbers
on it.
but thats 'cream on top', not essential, since this is a
carrier-independant problem it seems.

kind regards.


ps: because it seems a often asked question:
the numbers of the sim are not directly 'secret' or need to be kept
confidential.
one cannot clone or locate your sim/phone with knowledge of these.
only the carrier who gave the sim out could identify or duplicate the
sim, and would not need the numbers on the original for that because
that information which one could look up is in their databases already.
so no harm done by having them in a photo.


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Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

[Ian Darwin]

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 09:05:00AM -0700, steve wrote:
> Loading dock for  Trucks.
> 
> A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick.  

That's what the Panama Canal is for. A bit indirect though.
You could also try the North West Passage :-)

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mailing list merge

[Arthur Marsh]

Hi, I saw a post on device-owners about some openmoko mailing list 
changes, but as I'm subscribed via gmane.org and for some reason email 
address scrambling was enabled, so any email addresses in headers or 
messages (unless '@' is replaced by other text e.g. ' at ') they are 
completely unintelligible.

Could someone please contact the gmane.org and see if the surviving 
lists could be re-subscribed *without* email address scrambling?

I would like to have the option to make off-list replies.

Arthur.

arthur.marsh at internode.on.net


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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

[Cédric Berger]

Thanks a lot, I really missed that 2 points...

now I could get it boot the last Qtopia image (extracted from the
jffs2)  from the microSD

I can start some testing ! :-)

First boot was ok, pin unlocked, gsm network ok, first sight ok
 No sound... but I've read there was something to do to correct... so
should be fine



On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 21:02, Thomas B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems you have to use ext3 for the rootfs partition, because current
> kernel builds have ext2 support only as a module (which is not yet
> available before the rootfs is mounted).
>
> Then I had the following problem: U-Boot told the kernel that the rootfs
> was ext2, even if it was ext3, so the kernel couldn't mount it. I solved
> that by logging in to the U-Boot console via USB and modifying the
> command sequence to boot from SD so that it looks like this (I just
> replaced ext2 with ext3):
>
> menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} 
> rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; 
> fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200
>
> Here you can also see that it expects the kernel to be on a FAT
> partition (it uses the command "fatload"). Maybe that could be changed,
> so that it reads the kernel from the ext2 or ext3 partition itself, but
> I don't know which commands U-Boot supports.
>
> HTH,
> Thomas
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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Do  10. Juli 2008 schrieb ian douglas:
> Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> > What about on the GTA01?  The biggest I have tried so far is 2 gig
> > because I wasn't sure if SDHC was working.
> 
> I sold my GTA01 months ago earlier this year, so I can only test on my
> GTA02v5. I imagine someone with a v6 Freerunner can do some additional
> testing.

There's no difference between A5 and A6
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Re: GPS

[Russell Sears]

That sounds like a different problem than I have.

People have reported many different failure modes:

  - Everything "works".  The phone gets a reliable fix in ~5-15 minutes 
if you baby it enough.  (This might be improved w/ better drivers...)

  - The software is somehow messed up, and there are never any fixes. 
(People report GPS breakage after installing some combination of the GPS 
packages...)  Reflashing the phone does not seem to help(!)

  - Actual antenna troubles.  (See message "GPS issue related to GPS 
antenna selector ?")

TangoGPS problems:

  - TangoGPS says "no gps found".  Run "opkg install gpsd".

  - The GPS device usually works, but sometimes tangoGPS sees zero 
satellites after > 5 minutes.  If you to power down the GPS device, then 
power it back up, it starts seeing satellites.

-Rusty

Ole Kliemann wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 03:48:14AM -0700, Russell Sears wrote:
>> Yes, there is still hope.
>>
>> The current software drivers do not save any state between GPS locks, so 
>> the GPS device is needlessly re-downloading information from the 
>> satellites each time it turns on.  Downloading the data seems to require 
>> a much better/more consistent signal than calculating the phone's 
>> current position.
>>
>> It sounds like a (partial?) fix is in the works.  There were some links 
>> to scripts posted to this mailing list a few days ago, but they came 
>> with copyright restrictions that prevent redistribution...
>>
>> My phone sometimes takes 10 minutes to get a fix, but can track its 
>> current position from a car seat (not just near the window), and indoors 
>> in my pocket.  It's good enough for in-car navigation, and for use as a 
>> speedometer, though with a couple of seconds delay added in.  Also, I 
>> see a few meters of jitter when the device is not moving.
>>
>> After losing signal in a tunnel for 15-30 seconds, it restored its fix 
>> immediately after I left the tunnel.
>>
>> Not counting the time to get the initial lock, this behavior is better 
>> than what I've seen from some inexpensive name brand gps devices, 
>> suggesting the antenna is "good enough", assuming saving and restoring 
>> the chip's state works.
> 
> I read about this idea in the wiki and posted a comment there. Here's
> what I wrote.
> 
> I tested the FR outside with internal antenna and did not see a single
> sat for 15min. With external antenna I have a TTFS of 33s. If I plug out
> the external after the fix is stable, it almost instantly gets lost. I
> still see one to three sats but get no fix.
>  
> So apparently the information obtain through the external antenna is not
> enough to assist the internal antenna in getting a fix. Orbit and
> positon data should be known to the device by then? If you download this
> data from the internet or recalculate it locally, in what way would this
> be superior to what I tested?
> 
> 
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Re: dfu-util problems

[joseph schlesinger]

Nice script, thank you.  It works perfectly for setting up networking 
and sharing the host internet connection. But dfu-utils still doesn't work.

Eildert Groeneveld wrote:
> On Sunday 13 July 2008, joseph schlesinger wrote:
>   
>> Running it as root does not work, nor does passing a --device
>> parameter.  I should mention that I've also tried a number of different
>> linux host machines and usb ports on each.  Could it be a defective phone?
>> 
>
> This is what I need to run as root and the everything works fine:
> root(eno,freerunner)# cat upom
> #!/bin/sh
> /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
> /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0
>
> /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> iptables -F
> iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j ACCEPT
>
> iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+   -j 
> ACCEPT
> iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j 
> ACCEPT
>
> iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
> root(eno,freerunner)#
>
>
> courtesy I-dont-remember
>
> Eildert
>
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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

[Łukasz Holetzke]

>
> > I've been trying for several hours to get wifi working, it never seems to
> connect although it can
> > see my station.
> >
> > I tried this too as it makes sense to turn off usb0, but that didn't seem
> to work either, I wrote
> > this script to make it easy from console (I also tried ifconfig usb0
> down)
> >
> > ifdown usb0
> > wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
> > sleep 10
> > udhcpc eth0 &
> >
> >
>
I have a similar issue too. wpa_supplicant.conf didn't worked for me at all.
Using iwconfig eth0 essid wep_ap key 128_bit_key_in_hex doesn't associate
with my access point.
I found a small workaround for this:
iwconfig eth0  key .
and after that
iwconfig eth0 essid 
That connected me to the ap.
udhcpd doesn't work for me.
sending discover over lan the dhcpd on a server didn't see that.
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AW: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

It mean the same as one know this from a car with a very low battery... 
(bridged )
just put another battery (I think it`s important, that the second battery have 
the same Volt) parallel to the 
original battery. 
If so, the FR can take the power from the two batteries...

Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: 13.07.2008 23:18
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discussion"
Betreff: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

> I`ve done a jump start

care to elaborate? what does "jump start" mean?

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Re: which list to write to (was Re: x offset in landscape mode)

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Do  10. Juli 2008 schrieb Stroller:
> 
> On 10 Jul 2008, at 07:17, Michael Kluge wrote:
> > It is probably the best idea to write to both lists (I was not  
> > aware of the other list up to now).
> 
> Urg, if you must, for the present.
> 
> IMO it's better if the "correct" list was simply addressed in the  
> first place.

I tend to set Xposted topics to [ignore], as they are impossible to follow on 
and just waste my time.
Xposting is considered bad practice anyway
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Re: GPS issue related to GPS antenna selector ?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am So  13. Juli 2008 schrieb Philippe Guillebert:
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues , I 
> ran into the following (and quite scary) thread : 
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-April/55.html
> 
> So I was wondering, maybe the poor GPS performance issue many FR seem to 
> have, especially on the internal antenna, is related to the GPS antenna 
> MUX (the part responsible for the switch between internal antenna, and 
> external antenna if you hook one up) selecting the external antenna, 
> even when there isn't one ?
> 
> The randomness of this issue could be explained because driving the mux 
> with levels like 26% Vdd is kind of "grey zone" and can result in some 
> devices working as expected and some selecting the ext. antenna without 
> one and then having bad reception.
> 
> I see one way to test this theory, by driving the select signal VCONT to 
> 0V (Werner Almesberger talks about shorting R7616) and see if this 
> improve reception on the internal antenna.
> 
> This is pure speculation, I didn't test anything and perhaps that's just 
> plain stupid but I'd love to hear from someone that focused on this 
> issue back in April.

IIRC Andy did all of these tests and found they didn't solve or even alter the 
symptoms (see later posts in same thread).
Though the circuit design is definitely flaky, it doesn't seem to trigger any 
of the suspected problems.

Anyway thanks for the feedback
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Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[arne anka]

> I`ve done a jump start

care to elaborate? what does "jump start" mean?

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Antwerp group buy

[Richard Bennett]

Hi all,
We're at about 7 confirmed people around Antwerp, Belgium, who will be  
placing a group-order, probably from Germany.
That way we should save considerably on postage and get a discounted  
purchase price.
Anyone who'd like to join us to order within the next week or so, and can  
come to Antwerp to pick-up their phone is welcome to send me a mail.

Regards,

Richard.

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Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing

[malte]

Hi list,

I got myself a Kingston SDC4/4GB microSD card. While this piece is
working properly in a cardreader connected to a laptop - using it with
the freerunner is impossible due to i/o errors. This includes accessing
filesystemobjects and even the partition table. The errors occur almost
immediately.

I tested both vfat and ext2.

greetings
malte

ian douglas wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Got my 8GB SanDisk 8GB micro SDHC card [1] in a few minutes ago, popped
> it into my GTA02v5 (beta tester model) Freerunner and running a few
> tests on it. So far, so good.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mount | grep media
> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat
> (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1)
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# df -h | grep media
> /dev/mmcblk0p17.6G 32.0k  7.6G   0% /media/card
> 
> If anything weird comes up in my testing, I'll let everyone know.
> 
> -id
> 
> 
> [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171320
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AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now 
my FR has started up and the battery is 
charging :-) 
Thanks again for the tip!

Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16
An: "List for Openmoko community discussion", 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kopie: "Michael Shiloh"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will
not charge it.

We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these
options.


1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds.
2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl,
5bl, 6bl)
3. Get a replacement battery.

 

Steve

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Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM
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Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this:

> Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's 
> battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on 
> the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, 
> start the Phone).

anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not
finished the thread yet).
regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh?

btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image?

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MokSec - The Security Framework

[Alex Oberhauser]

Bumbl wrote:
> It would be more important to not run everything as root I think

This will be also a main focus. When we receive the Freerunners, we will see
how fast we can change this bad state.

Robert Schuster wrote:
> Hi,
> this is perhaps not directly in the scope of your project but perhaps it
> inspires someones else: A spam filter for SMS. :)

Why not? We can add this feature to the phone firewall. Shouldn't be a big
problem. It's also possible that you add this feature to phone-firewall or you
make a new project.

I found this a very good idea and should be part of the security framework.

Regards

Alex Oberhauser

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OT: Do Linux-oriented companies use Linux?

[Richard Bennett]

Hi,
I'm interested in promoting the use of Linux at the workplace. I've found  
that invariably policies at companies make it harder to use Linux as they  
will prohibit its use on the network, or use MS-centric tools like  
Exchange or proprietary document formats or software that requires Windows.
This was even the case at my previous company where they develop  
applications on Solaris. They require everyone to have good Linux/Unix  
knowledge but actively discourage using Linux/OpenSolaris at the workplace.

I was wondering how this is handled at companies like Openmoko (or is it  
FIC?).
What is the network setup like, which OS is standard? What do you guys use  
on your laptops?


Thanks for any info.


Richard.

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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?

[Thomas B.]

Hi!

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 06:48:41AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
> Kevin Dean wrote:
> > Plugging a Freerunner up via USB to a Debian system while running this
> > image doesn't appear to charge. Is this a purely visual thing, or is
> > Qtopia unable to charge a Freerunner? I'm assuming that since the
> > other software can, this is a Qtopia thing?
> 
> actually, it is an apm thing. apm battery status on the freerunner does
> not work correctly.
> I guess I need to back port a workaround from the 4.4. branch for at
> least showing when it is charging.

I have a slightly different problem: The battery does get charged, but
the screen doesn't dim or get switched off, although I told it to do
that in the settings. That's a bit annoying, and it's probably not very
healthy for the display, too.

Is this also an apm problem, and can it be worked around?

> If anyone knows how to get a real battery status on the freerunner I can 
> fix this up.

I only know of /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status.
Maybe that helps?

Regards,
Thomas


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Re: Better keyboard?

[Jim Morris]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:

> 
> Well... I got it! :)
> SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it 
> taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki 
> section:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard
> 
> Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in 
> my linux pc and it works well!
> 
> Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P
> 

I'll give it a shot...

However I get this error doing om-conf

checking for FAKEKEY... no
configure: error: *** You need to install libfakekey from MB SVN  ***

I have FAKEKEY installed on my Ubuntu box, not sure how to get it into the tool 
chain though as I'm 
new to it. Guess I'll do some digging around.

Thanks for the pointers to the svn.

-- 
Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com

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Qtopia Speakerphone

[Yochai Gal]

Hi all, the qtopia image makes the FreeRunner almost a usable phone, but I
have a problem. I was able to get the audio to work by creating the symlink
below, but the speakerphone still doesn't work --- it emits a loud beep
sound instead.  Any ideas? Thanks so much.

lln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa

yochai
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Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?

[Thomas B.]

Hi!

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 04:40:09AM +0200, Cédric Berger wrote:
> I would like to boot Qtopia from SD, but couldn't yet...
> 
> Can I do that with the image of Qtopia you mentioned ?
> I extracted the files form the .jffs2 and copied them on the microSD card.
> I then put the uImage bin in /boot

You have to put uImage.bin in a FAT partition... at least that's how
it's supposed to be when you use the default U-Boot environment. See
here:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card

> I tried with SD card formated in ext3 and ext2.

It seems you have to use ext3 for the rootfs partition, because current
kernel builds have ext2 support only as a module (which is not yet
available before the rootfs is mounted).

Then I had the following problem: U-Boot told the kernel that the rootfs
was ext2, even if it was ext3, so the kernel couldn't mount it. I solved
that by logging in to the U-Boot console via USB and modifying the
command sequence to boot from SD so that it looks like this (I just
replaced ext2 with ext3):

menu_1=Boot from microSD (FAT+ext3): setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} 
rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} ro; mmcinit; 
fatload mmc 1 0x3200 ${sd_image_name}; bootm 0x3200

Here you can also see that it expects the kernel to be on a FAT
partition (it uses the command "fatload"). Maybe that could be changed,
so that it reads the kernel from the ext2 or ext3 partition itself, but
I don't know which commands U-Boot supports.

HTH,
Thomas


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Re: BAY AREA OM FANS

[Adilson Oliveira]

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steve escreveu:
>  Linux world is coming this August and Michael and I have a intresting plan
> to
> Involve the community in the booths, give away free stuff ( like debug
> boards and spares ),
> And make a movie about our community members.
> 
> So as we figure out the details we will tell you

Hi Steve.

I'll be at Linuxworld (I work for Canonical of Ubuntu Linux fame) and
helping run the booth. Are you having a booth there as well? If so, I'll
be glad to show up.
Any chance of having a few units for sale? I was trying to figure out
how to buy mine and if you have a 900 version there for sale that would
be great.

[]s

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RE: Car charger to GTA02

[steve]

I have the same iGO. Have used it without problem with my freerunner for a
long while
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C R McClenaghan
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:44 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Cc: Brenda Wang
Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02

A general question related to car charging. I have an iGo charger and many
tips. One is a mini-usb tip. It seems to be charging my Neo okay.  
Is there an reason I shouldn't use this device? There is also an iGo car
charger that accepts the same tips. I'm not trying to push the brand here,
just wanting to know if this is an alternative charging mechanism and
whether it is safe.

Chris

On Jul 11, 2008, at 7:35 PM, steve wrote:

> Magic 47 ohm resistor will get you 1A. its on the wiki somewhere.
> We need a better search on the wiki
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "Marco 
> Trevisan (Treviño)"
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:01 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Car charger to GTA02
>
> Andy Selby ha scritto:
>>> How do you enable 1A charging via software? The "echo 'fast_cccv' > 
>>> etc.." only seems to give me 500ma. Is there a sysfs interface to 
>>> this, or does it have to be done by the kernel? This is for the Neo
>>> 1973 by the way.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the neo1973 cant charge with more than 500mA due to 
>> the hardware, nothing in software will fix that, I think the post you 
>> quoted was about the freerunner.
>
> I read months ago that it should be able to charge at 1000mA too (if 
> charger supports it).
>
> --
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RE: Robotics and Openmoko

[steve]

We need Openmoko robot wars.

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Harrison
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:25 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Robotics and Openmoko


I have a blog at:

http://www.devcentre.org

Under the "science" tab I've got all my Open Boat content, with articles
from conception to implementation. I've made some mistakes along the way,
some quite expensive - such as blowing up a motor controller by plugging it
into the wrong polarity, and I am still to have a 100% operational boat.
However, I'm not far away.

I've just been made redundant through restructuring so I have some time to
write up things in some more detail. 

My next challenge is developing the magnetic compass hardware and software.
I know there are commercial compasses, but they are kind of expensive. I'm
going to use two hall effect sensors and see if I can write the software to
interpret the readings from these sensors.

I've also been writing a simulator which will be able to test the software.
And yes - I will be releasing all the source very soon. It was suggested I
add to the Wiki projects page as well - so I will. As you can see I have a
bit on my to do list now :)




On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Cool project! Indeed Freerunner makes some new applications possible
as integrated wlan-gps-gprs-accelerometer-wifi device.

Is there some web page or blog or feed or something I'd use to see how
you're doing with the project? (I think this mailing list has way too
much mails to actually be able to follow some discussion :)

r


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Re: OSCON get together

[Sameer Verma]

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Asheesh Laroia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
>
>> Are any of you going to be at OSCON?  Do you want to do a BoF session,
>> or schedule some other get together?
>
> I will be there all week and would love to BoF.
>
> -- Asheesh.
>
> --
> Noncombatant:  A dead Quaker.
>-- Ambrose Bierce
>

I will be there as well.

Sameer
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San Francisco State University
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Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

[smurfy - phil]

Hey, i'm really new to the bitbaker stuff :) i also noticed, that after 
some new build of the app it wants to download gtk+ and fails.

i really don't know why this happens.

if you do a removal of the gtk+-fastscaling and then a install of gtk+ 
it works, also, gtk+ installs a new version of gtk+fastscaling.

so i realy don't know why it is doing that :)

maybe because on 12.jul, there was an update of the gtk+* packages.

Phil

arne anka wrote:
> gtk+-fastscaling provides gtk+ -- so no need for gtk+.
> either the dependencies of the homezone app need to be more accurate or --  
> the better way -- opkg should handle that more flexible, evaluating the  
> "provides" sections of packages installed.
>
> for the time being
>
> opkg install -force-depends  openmoko-homezoned
>
> (or whatever the packages' name may be) should help.
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Re: Pulster DHL and Correos Spain

[Alex Stanev]

I am sorry to add Bulgaria to the "list of shame". Once the parcel get 
to our country, DHL gives it in Bulgarian post's hands. After that they 
are about 8(eight) to 30(thirty) *business* days for internal delivery.
Maybe they want to fr-moko-play too.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Christoph Pulster wrote:
> Hi Diego,
>
> thanks for the info. We at Pulster.de Openmoko Shop ship with DHL  
> Germany. Some destination countries deliver the parcels as well with  
> local DHL. Other countries use their national post services, which are  
> quite slow in Spain, Italy, Greece and Russian states.
> Benelux, Austria, Swiss, Poland is a 2 day service and works fine.
> We have the option to use different couriers like FedEx Overnight, just  
> let me know.
>
> All parcels are insured and registered, any loss will be refunded from  
> DHL, but we have not a single lost shipment in the past 3 years of  
> business, so dont worry.
>
> About customs, inside EU community there is no customs clearance. I  
> think the Spainish Correos is the bad guy, who holds your parcel...
>
> Anyone who placed a order with us and likes to now the status of it,  
> please feel free to contact me. You have the right to get on my nerves  
> with a lot of emails.
>
> Chris
> www.pulster.de
> OpenmokoShop.de
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Re: GPS

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Antenna is pointing front longaxis.
You have to hold device upright (lanyard hole to ground, AUX-key to sky)!
/jOERG

Am Di  8. Juli 2008 schrieb atweb:
> Hello,
> 
> On Monday, I had a fix after an hour (eating by mom and laying FR in my 
> card at the north side of the house).
> Today, the GPS found lot of satellites but did not get a fix (see 
> screenshots).
> 
> cu
> Markus
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Re: GPS

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Antenna is pointing front longaxis.
You have to hold device upright (lanyard hole to ground, AUX-key to sky)!
/jOERG

Am Sa  12. Juli 2008 schrieb Jonathan Spooner:
> I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag 
> tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-)  I 
> think bottom line the gta02 has a poor antenna in fact the first 
> time I got a fix I did so at the point I rested my free stylus on top of 
> the gta02!
> 
> Once I had a fix I used the signal strength screen in the agps diag tool 
> and its then plain to see the signal is precarious at best with an 
> average strength of around 28 which is greatly affected by orientation 
> and nearby objects from hands, stylus, people etc pretty much what you'd 
> expect in a device thats receiving a very weak signal except we know 
> the say system is working so that only leaves the gta02 internal antenna 
> as the problem.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> Russell Sears wrote:
> > I played with it a bit more and think i figured out why i wasn't getting 
> > locks quickly.  It looks like my Freerunner's GPS is working after all! :)
> >
> > I've updated the wiki GPS_Problems page with some basic information 
> > about how GPS devices obtain initial locks, and added more 
> > troubleshooting information...  It would have saved me a few hours; 
> > hopefully someone else will find it useful.  Someone familiar with GPS 
> > should probably check it for errors.  Most of what I wrote is based on 
> > things I learned today by word-of-mouth and skimming wikipedia articles.
> >
> > -Rusty
> >
> > Russell Sears wrote:
> >   
> >> This might help too (I should add myself to it...):
> >>
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems
> >>
> >> I've only gotten a fix using the agps diagnostic tool gui.  I did it in 
> >> the middle of a clear night with nothing near by, by going to the signal 
> >> strength screen, and slowly rotating the phone until the bars started 
> >> turning from light blue to dark blue, and going with an orientation that 
> >> seemed to work, kind of like with an old analog TV set...
> >>
> >> I don't know if doing it actually helped, but while playing this game, I 
> >> got a fix in ~ 2-3 minutes, vs the tens of minutes I'd waited before 
that.
> >>
> >> Bumble, after 10-15 minutes of waiting, do you see any satellites in the 
> >>   "ss" tab of the agps diagnostic tool?  Does it display a time in UTC 
> >> after a few minutes?  If so, we're probably in the same boat.
> >>
> >> Is there a document explaining the exact handshaking procedure the 
> >> chipset in the freerunner uses to lock onto the satellites?
> >>
> >> -Rusty
> >>
> >> andres wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 23:57 +0200, Bumbl wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   
>  Be happy
>  I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations 
>  for >45min each.
>  I'll consider to use my waranty.
>  
> >>> probably this is related
> >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: GPS

[BlueStar88]

arne anka schrieb:
there seems to be no use of the workarounds/fixes discussed earlier --  
does anybody use the ubx-tool or whatever was discussed to feed  
informations to the u-blox on startup, thus significantly decreasing ttff?


http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/browser/developers/alphaone/u-blox

there were some pretty promising reports for those attempts (can't find  
them right now) -- and standing hours on a meadow in the faint hope of a  
fix does not really sound appealing to me ...


Feeding assist data to compensate bad hardware based reception is no 
real solution, since there are some FRs, which seem not to have any 
problems to get a fast fix at all. The basic reception has to be better 
and I cannot rely on fresh assist data at any time I need a fix!


It's a point of qualitiy management on the hardware producers side which 
has to get solved. I'm not willing to disassemble the new hardware at my 
own risk (warranty pp.). I know that I have bought an 'incomplete' 
smarty regarding the OS and software. That was fine with me, but FIC 
(as experienced hardware manufacturer) should do basic soldering jobs 
successful on their products (If this gets verified to be the real 
problem of this issue, of course).


My only question is: Which time I have left to engage a warranty 
procedure? I'll ask Trisoft this week.



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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Philippe Guillebert]

Diego Fernández Durán wrote:
> I use the FR as a phone.
>
> And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to
> help in the development.
>
> A list of "small things that must be done" will be appreciated, so
> anybody of us can use our free time to read the code, write a small
> patch and summit it to a om developer. :)
>   

Hi,

Maybe look at the bugtracker, looking for bugs marked "enhancements", 
"task" or "trivial".

I know I just filed one myself ;)


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GPS issue related to GPS antenna selector ?

[Philippe Guillebert]

Hello,

Thanks to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues , I 
ran into the following (and quite scary) thread : 
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-April/55.html

So I was wondering, maybe the poor GPS performance issue many FR seem to 
have, especially on the internal antenna, is related to the GPS antenna 
MUX (the part responsible for the switch between internal antenna, and 
external antenna if you hook one up) selecting the external antenna, 
even when there isn't one ?

The randomness of this issue could be explained because driving the mux 
with levels like 26% Vdd is kind of "grey zone" and can result in some 
devices working as expected and some selecting the ext. antenna without 
one and then having bad reception.

I see one way to test this theory, by driving the select signal VCONT to 
0V (Werner Almesberger talks about shorting R7616) and see if this 
improve reception on the internal antenna.

This is pure speculation, I didn't test anything and perhaps that's just 
plain stupid but I'd love to hear from someone that focused on this 
issue back in April.

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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Diego Fernández Durán]

I use the FR as a phone.

And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to
help in the development.

A list of "small things that must be done" will be appreciated, so
anybody of us can use our free time to read the code, write a small
patch and summit it to a om developer. :)



El dom, 13-07-2008 a las 10:11 +0200, Yorick Moko escribió:
> there is some talk about this on the devel-list:
> 
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560.html
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562.html
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563.html
> 
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone.
> Mine has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless
> as a phone.  The audio I hear is clear but at a very low
> volume; the other person hears my voice very distorted and
> with a buzz.
> 
> I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA.
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RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

[steve]

Ontario I thought. 

 

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Subject: RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 09:05 -0700, steve wrote:
> Loading dock for  Trucks.
> 
> A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick.  

no trick, just the long way round, SF -> Panama -> St Lawrence Seaway ->
Lake Erie -> Toronto

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c_r
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:50 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
> 
> On Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:53PM -0700, steve wrote:
> > Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and 
> > watched them leave the dock for Toronto.
> 
> dock as in.. boat. which will take a few weeks?
> 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM
> > To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> > Cc: steve
> > Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
> > 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. 
> > Their shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due 
> > to "high demand", whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on 
> > their main page they claim to have "100 units in stock with 500 more 
> > coming soon". This concerns me, as if the have stock it shouldn't 
> > take more than a week to process my order, they DID already take my
money afterall.
> > 
> > This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu 
> > has any Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them?
> > 
> > --
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RE: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[steve]

I use mine. My kids used theirs till I gave it away to somebody else.

That said, some people have expereince audio issues. Engineering is on the
issue.

Steve 

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Subject: Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a phone
would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and developers resolve
the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some improvements).

Thanks for making us aware (my FR is still on its way) 

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Yorick Moko wrote:

>there is some talk about this on the devel-list:
>[1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560.
>html
>[2]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562.
>html
>[3]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563.
>html

>On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:

>  I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone.  Mine
>  has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a
>  phone.  The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the
>  other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz.
>  I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA.
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RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

[Brian Beattie]

On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 09:05 -0700, steve wrote:
> Loading dock for  Trucks.
> 
> A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick.  

no trick, just the long way round, SF -> Panama -> St Lawrence Seaway ->
Lake Erie -> Toronto

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c_r
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:50 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
> 
> On Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:53PM -0700, steve wrote:
> > Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and 
> > watched them leave the dock for Toronto.
> 
> dock as in.. boat. which will take a few weeks?
> 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM
> > To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> > Cc: steve
> > Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
> > 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. 
> > Their shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due to 
> > "high demand", whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on their 
> > main page they claim to have "100 units in stock with 500 more coming 
> > soon". This concerns me, as if the have stock it shouldn't take more 
> > than a week to process my order, they DID already take my money afterall.
> > 
> > This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu has 
> > any Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them?
> > 
> > --
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Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

[arne anka]

gtk+-fastscaling provides gtk+ -- so no need for gtk+.
either the dependencies of the homezone app need to be more accurate or --  
the better way -- opkg should handle that more flexible, evaluating the  
"provides" sections of packages installed.

for the time being

opkg install -force-depends  openmoko-homezoned

(or whatever the packages' name may be) should help.

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RE: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

[steve]

Loading dock for  Trucks.

A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick.  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:50 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada

On Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 06:05:53PM -0700, steve wrote:
> Harry and I PERSONALLY PACKED 300 phones for them on Tuesday and 
> watched them leave the dock for Toronto.

dock as in.. boat. which will take a few weeks?

> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Gabriel A. Devenyi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:29 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Cc: steve
> Subject: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I recently ordered (last Sunday) a Freerunner from Koolu in Canada. 
> Their shop noted that I could expect shipping within 2-3 weeks due to 
> "high demand", whatever that means. Now I've noticed that on their 
> main page they claim to have "100 units in stock with 500 more coming 
> soon". This concerns me, as if the have stock it shouldn't take more 
> than a week to process my order, they DID already take my money afterall.
> 
> This is beginning to sound a bit scammy. Does anyone know if Koolu has 
> any Freerunners yet? Has anyone ordered from them?
> 
> --
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Re: wiki:gps: rephrasing?

[Søren Kristiansen]

It just means that the internal gps antenna (which is placed in the top of
the freerunner) should be pointing upwards. Your phone should be "standing
up" not lieing on a table or something :-)

2008/7/13 arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> hi,
> i found
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems#Basic_GPS_debugging
>
> which starts as follows:
>
> > ... (the screen the right way up, with the top of the phone facing up,
> > and the screen facing the horizon) ...
>
> well, i have to confess my command of english is not sufficient to
> understand it.
> could someone please rephrase?
>
> thx
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Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 13.07.2008, 01:25 +0200 schrieb smurfy - phil:
> But if you want try it yourself:
> 
> http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/om-homezone/

Nice! I’m having problems installing the ipkg on a current 2007.2
freerunner, but I’m new in this business, so I might be doing something
stupid:

When I try to install openmoko-panel-hz_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk, opkg tries to
download and install gtk+ and I get:

Downloading 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/gtk+_2.12.11-r2_armv4t.ipk
Collected errors:
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf_xlib-2.0.so.0
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file 
/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libpixmap.so
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file 
/usr/share/themes/Default/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Raleigh/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling
 * Package gtk+ wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Emacs/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc
But that file is already provided by package  * gtk+-fastscaling

Can anyone give me pointers as to why I have a different version of gtk+
than provided by the buildhost and how I can fix that?

Greetings,
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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Søren Kristiansen]

He's probably talking about the carriers page on the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers
I personally think it needs an update. There aren't that many carriers
listed and some more information about the actual sim cards would be nice.


2008/7/13 steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Sean toldme this already existed somewhere
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:55 AM
> To: steve
> Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'; Brenda Wang
> Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
>
> Brenda, I presume you will do this as the wiki belongs to you, but if you
> can't let me know and I'll do it. Let me know right away.
>
> Michael
>
> steve wrote:
> >
> > Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers
> > have issues,  a table by country by carrier.
> >
> > This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and
> > for advising people prior to purchase.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *atweb
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:40 AM
> > *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion
> > *Subject:* Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
> >
> > I´ve an o2-SIM from the time of "Viag-Interkom" in my Freerunner with
> > the Code "1001710251761MC" on the Chip-Side.
> > I can perfectly phone an do SMS with it.
> >
> > cu
> > Markus
> >
> >
> > Jeffrey Ratcliffe schrieb:
> >> 2008/7/8 Jeffrey Ratcliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> :
> >>
> >>> My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V -
> >>> does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite what
> >>> is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers
> >>>
> >>> One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German
> >>> Vodafone SIMs did not.
> >>>
> >>> One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German
> >>> Debitel (T-Mobile
> >>> reseller) did.
> >>>
> >>> Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM.
> >>>
> >> Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked:
> >>
> >> D2 Mannesmann (7 years old)
> >> Vodafone
> >> O2
> >> T-D1 (T-Mobile)
> >>
> >> I don't see any pattern.
> >>
> >> Who has a German SIM working in their FR?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Jeff
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Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

wow -- that is very unfortunate... indeed phone which is useless as a
phone would sound like a failure. I hope openmoko engineers and
developers resolve the issue (bug report trace seems to reveal some
improvements).

Thanks for making us aware (my FR is still on its way) 

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Yorick Moko wrote:

>there is some talk about this on the devel-list:
>[1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003560.
>html
>[2]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003562.
>html
>[3]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003563.
>html

>On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Randy S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:

>  I am curious to know if anyone is using their FR as a phone.  Mine
>  has such poor audio quality, it is unfortunately useless as a
>  phone.  The audio I hear is clear but at a very low volume; the
>  other person hears my voice very distorted and with a buzz.
>  I am on T-Mobile in Texas, USA.
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wiki:gps: rephrasing?

[arne anka]

hi,
i found
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems#Basic_GPS_debugging

which starts as follows:

> ... (the screen the right way up, with the top of the phone facing up,  
> and the screen facing the horizon) ...

well, i have to confess my command of english is not sufficient to  
understand it.
could someone please rephrase?

thx

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AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

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ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation...
thx

Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16
An: "List for Openmoko community discussion", 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kopie: "Michael Shiloh"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will
not charge it.

We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these
options.


1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds.
2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl,
5bl, 6bl)
3. Get a replacement battery.

 

Steve

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this:

> Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's 
> battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on 
> the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, 
> start the Phone).

anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not
finished the thread yet).
regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh?

btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image?

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Re: OSCON get together

[Asheesh Laroia]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Dirk Bergstrom wrote:

> Are any of you going to be at OSCON?  Do you want to do a BoF session, 
> or schedule some other get together?

I will be there all week and would love to BoF.

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RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[steve]

If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will
not charge it.

We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these
options.


1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds.
2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl,
5bl, 6bl)
3. Get a replacement battery.

 

Steve

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this:

> Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's 
> battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on 
> the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, 
> start the Phone).

anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not
finished the thread yet).
regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh?

btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image?

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RE: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

[steve]

This should be a community effort  


-Original Message-
From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:12 AM
To: steve
Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup

I would love some help with my "getting started" blog. There are many
how-tos on the wiki but they need to be tested and verified before I'll put
them on the "gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com".

In a different thread we've discussed the quality of our wiki. Cleaning up
the wiki will provide me a much better starting point for the how-tos.

steve wrote:
> There is a getting started page in the wiki and michael shiloh has a 
> getting started blog.
> 
> Micheal?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sameer 
> Verma
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:50 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area Meetup
> 
> Vijay Vaidyanathan wrote:
>> Hi ...
>>
>> I have a shiny new FreeRunner that I am planning to play with over 
>> the weekend, but I find the information on the Wiki a little hard to 
>> get started with.
>>
>> I've been developing on Unix since the 80's and comfortable enough to 
>> find my way around Linux reasonably well, but I find I could 
>> definitely use a little "Getting Started" help.
>>
>> So, is there any interest in meeting up over the next couple of weeks 
>> in the San Francisco Bay Area?
>>
>> If so, please let us know by editing this page:
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SFBayAreaGetStarted
>>
>> The idea would be to:
>>
>> (i) Spread the knowledge around
>> (ii) Get some documentation going (I'm happy to document whatever I 
>> pick up)
>> (iii) Meet a few other people who are nearly as brilliant and forward 
>> thinking as yourself!
>>
>> Since I have a selfish motive to get this going, I'd be happy to do 
>> the organizational legwork if needed :-)
>>
>> - VV
>> 
>>
>> -
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> Hi Vijay,
> You may want to post on some Linux User Groups in the SF bay area 
> (SVLUG , SF-LUG , BALUG 
> , EBLUG , NBLUG 
> , etc.) to get their involvement. You may even 
> get an invitation to present at one of their meetings.
> 
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> University San Francisco CA 94132 USA http://verma.sfsu.edu/ 
> http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
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AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

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I`ve put right now the freerunner into my PC. Now, I`ll wait for 1 h. and check 
it again
My usb-port should supply 500 mAh, cuz in the past, I`ve charged my freerunner 
over it
I`ve the qtopia image installed, not the ASU...But I tried to start the 
boot-loader too, which is the
original...It should be immaterial which image is installed or isn't it?

Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: 13.07.2008 16:32
An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "List for Openmoko community 
discussion"
Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this:

> Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery  
> goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki  
> pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the  
> Phone).

anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not  
finished the thread yet).
regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh?

btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image?

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RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[steve]

Sean toldme this already existed somewhere 

-Original Message-
From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:55 AM
To: steve
Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'; Brenda Wang
Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

Brenda, I presume you will do this as the wiki belongs to you, but if you
can't let me know and I'll do it. Let me know right away.

Michael

steve wrote:
> 
> Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers 
> have issues,  a table by country by carrier.
>  
> This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and 
> for advising people prior to purchase.
>  
>  
> 
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *atweb
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:40 AM
> *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion
> *Subject:* Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
> 
> I´ve an o2-SIM from the time of "Viag-Interkom" in my Freerunner with 
> the Code "1001710251761MC" on the Chip-Side.
> I can perfectly phone an do SMS with it.
> 
> cu
> Markus
> 
> 
> Jeffrey Ratcliffe schrieb:
>> 2008/7/8 Jeffrey Ratcliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:
>>   
>>> My German Blau SIM (On the back it says, amongst other things, 3V - 
>>> does that mean volts?) does NOT work on my new GTA02, despite what 
>>> is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers
>>>
>>> One colleague's Dutch Orange SIM did work, but two other German 
>>> Vodafone SIMs did not.
>>>
>>> One German and one Dutch T-Mobile SIM did not work, but a German 
>>> Debitel (T-Mobile
>>> reseller) did.
>>>
>>> Nor did a 1 year old German O2 SIM.
>>> 
>> Tried 4 more German SIMs - none of the them worked:
>>
>> D2 Mannesmann (7 years old)
>> Vodafone
>> O2
>> T-D1 (T-Mobile)
>>
>> I don't see any pattern.
>>
>> Who has a German SIM working in their FR?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jeff
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AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

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I`ve tried the 230V charger and the pc-cable too...
Is there any institution for the debug board used with freerunner?
Or is it the same as for neo 1973;
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v3

Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: 13.07.2008 16:22
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Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

Once I had to use the 230V charger instead of the normal pc-cable to get it 
booting again, maybe it can suck more energy from that. (Although it reports 
getting 500mAh from usb, too.)

-Marcel

Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 15:48:53 schrieb Francesco Cat:
> have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB
> cable?
>
> 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > hi all
> > last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to
> > charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this
> > time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if
> > i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the
> > speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no
> > chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash
> > and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-(
> > is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...?
> > i try to flash it with the debug board...
> >
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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[arne anka]

while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this:

> Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery  
> goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki  
> pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the  
> Phone).

anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not  
finished the thread yet).
regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh?

btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image?

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Re: dfu-util problems

[Eildert Groeneveld]

On Sunday 13 July 2008, joseph schlesinger wrote:
> Running it as root does not work, nor does passing a --device
> parameter.  I should mention that I've also tried a number of different
> linux host machines and usb ports on each.  Could it be a defective phone?

This is what I need to run as root and the everything works fine:
root(eno,freerunner)# cat upom
#!/bin/sh
/sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
/sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0

/bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -F
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0  -d 192.168.0.200   -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.0.200  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.0.202  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT  -s 192.168.2.0/24  -i eth+  -d 192.168.2.0/24  -j ACCEPT

iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+   -j 
ACCEPT
iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j 
ACCEPT

iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+   -j ACCEPT
iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0  -j ACCEPT
iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
root(eno,freerunner)#


courtesy I-dont-remember

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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Marcel]

Once I had to use the 230V charger instead of the normal pc-cable to get it 
booting again, maybe it can suck more energy from that. (Although it reports 
getting 500mAh from usb, too.)

-Marcel

Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 15:48:53 schrieb Francesco Cat:
> have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB
> cable?
>
> 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > hi all
> > last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to
> > charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this
> > time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if
> > i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the
> > speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no
> > chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash
> > and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-(
> > is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...?
> > i try to flash it with the debug board...
> >
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Re: dfu-util problems

[joseph schlesinger]

Running it as root does not work, nor does passing a --device 
parameter.  I should mention that I've also tried a number of different 
linux host machines and usb ports on each.  Could it be a defective phone?

Marcel wrote:
> Did you try that as root?
> dfu-util should complain about not being able to claim the usb device (or 
> similar...) if you're required to be root.
>
> -Marcel
>
> Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 07:10:29 schrieb joseph schlesinger:
>   
>> I haven't been able to flash my FR after booting either into NAND or
>> NOR.  I can ssh into the phone via USB per the wiki instructions, but
>> dfu-util does not find the phone.  dfu-util --list returns.  Mounting
>> the usbfs as suggested in the instructions for the Neo1973
>>  doesn't help either.
>> Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
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AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

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yes, i triedbut it went nothing, beside the flashing from the AUX-button 
all 5 sec. combined with
a strange "trrr" out from the speaker..

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discussion"
Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable?

2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> hi all
> last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge 
> them...it was 2 o`clock AM
> and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the 
> batteries run down...
> now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from 
> the speaker and see the red led
> on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner 
> upneither in NAND nor in NOR-
Flash
> and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-(
> is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...?
> i try to flash it with the debug board...
>
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Re: clarification: images vs upgrade

[arne anka]

> If I understand it correctly, no. If you upgrade, you get new versions
> of each installed package. If you flash, you lose all software you
> installed ”over“ the basic system.

let's forget about additional packages or changed settings for the moment.
a new image should contain newer versions of packages than the images  
before, shouldn't it?
so in respect to the packages installed by default flashing a new image  
should be equivalent to doing update && upgrade, right?

i still try to figure out whether i need to flash or update && upgrade  
does the same for me.


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Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

[Francesco Cat]

have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable?

2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> hi all
> last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge 
> them...it was 2 o`clock AM
> and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the 
> batteries run down...
> now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from 
> the speaker and see the red led
> on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner 
> upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash
> and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-(
> is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...?
> i try to flash it with the debug board...
>
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Re: clarification: images vs upgrade

[Michal 'vorner' Vaner]

Hello

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 03:34:59PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
> > hope this helps
> 
> not totally sure :-)
> flashing and doing opkg update && opkg upgrade
> are basically interchangeable, right?

If I understand it correctly, no. If you upgrade, you get new versions
of each installed package. If you flash, you lose all software you
installed ”over“ the basic system. But you can flash it even if the
system does not boot.

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unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

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hi all
last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge 
them...it was 2 o`clock AM
and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the 
batteries run down...
now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from 
the speaker and see the red led 
on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner 
upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash
and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-(
is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...?
i try to flash it with the debug board...

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Re: GPS

[arne anka]

there seems to be no use of the workarounds/fixes discussed earlier --  
does anybody use the ubx-tool or whatever was discussed to feed  
informations to the u-blox on startup, thus significantly decreasing ttff?

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/browser/developers/alphaone/u-blox

there were some pretty promising reports for those attempts (can't find  
them right now) -- and standing hours on a meadow in the faint hope of a  
fix does not really sound appealing to me ...

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Re: clarification: images vs upgrade

[arne anka]

> hope this helps

not totally sure :-)
flashing and doing opkg update && opkg upgrade
are basically interchangeable, right?

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Re: Better keyboard?

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> Jim Morris wrote:
>> Is this one available anywhere?
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method
>>
>> It looks pretty useable to me, at least I could see the keys.
> 
> I'd like to as this too... Where is that keyboard?
> Is there any old code to be used (maybe after an update)?

Well... I got it! :)
SVN deletes, but it doesn't forget the old code, so you can get it 
taking the last revision available (r1471) as I've written in this wiki 
section:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method#Getting_this_keyboard

Since I've no openmoko hardware in my pockets yet, I've compiled it in 
my linux pc and it works well!

Anyone here would like to continue its development? :P

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Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

[Robert Schuster]

Hi.

smurfy - phil schrieb:
> http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/om-homezone/
Could you please distribute the sources in the files section?

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Re: Better keyboard?

[Jim Morris]

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Konstantin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Actually, there is:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards
> 
> FWIW, In the future, I wish (as a user of Openmoko devices (currently
> 1973 and FreeRunner)) to install any number of (available) keyboards
> at the same time.
> Then I can change keyboards (using an extra key on the keyboard
> perhaps? Or a menu choice?) whenever I like.
> That would be nice.

Here http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2004/11/text_input_meth.html is an 
interesting article 
on alternative input methods, towards the end are some S/W based on screen 
keyboard alternatives.

-- 
Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com

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Re: Homezone Icon for O2 in Germany

[Robert Schuster]

Damn, this community rules!

smurfy - phil schrieb:
> http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/om-homezone/
I will throw this into OpenEmbedded. :)

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Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

[Robert Schuster]

Hi,
this is perhaps not directly in the scope of your project but perhaps it
inspires someones else: A spam filter for SMS. :)

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Re: How to remove matchbox-keyboard and restore multitap-pad?

[arne anka]

> Do you know what may be the problem with multitap-pad not showing up?

i am not sure if the stack (2007.2) is able to manage two or more input  
methods at all.
matchbox-input-manager may be a help -- but i never did test it and  
there's no sufficient description what exactly the package does.

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Re: MokSec - The Security Framework

[Bumbl]

It would be more important to not run everything as root I think
Yorick Moko wrote:
> This mail was posted on the devel list
> (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003594.html).
> Thought it would interest a lot of people who are not subscribed to
> that list:
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> a few months ago we have planned to improve the security of our beloved
> Neo, after we have read about desires of the community regarding to the
> security issue.
>
> And here we are. Today I will present you our project MokSec.
>
> What is MokSec?
> ===
>
> MokSec is framework which target is to improve the security of the mobile
> devices which are based on OpenMoko (and other frameworks which are running on
> Neos)
>
> What is our main focus at the moment?
> =
>
> The main focus is the encryption over GSM. This is very complicated issue and
> for this we searching developer which are willing to work with us on this
> interesting project.
>
> What are the other components?
> ==
>
> At the moment we only working on a phone firewall, which will be
> blocking/accepting incoming calls. Later one we will add other projects or
> developer will be able to add their projects.
>
> Were you can find more informations?
> 
>
> http://moksec.networld.to : The main page
> http://moko.networld.to   : The git repositories
> http://networld.to/mailman/listinfo/moksec-public : The mailinglist
>
> We hope that a lot of people will work with us on the security issue.
>
> Happy programming
>
> Alex Oberhauser
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MokSec - The Security Framework

[Yorick Moko]

This mail was posted on the devel list
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-July/003594.html).
Thought it would interest a lot of people who are not subscribed to
that list:


Hi Guys,

a few months ago we have planned to improve the security of our beloved
Neo, after we have read about desires of the community regarding to the
security issue.

And here we are. Today I will present you our project MokSec.

What is MokSec?
===

MokSec is framework which target is to improve the security of the mobile
devices which are based on OpenMoko (and other frameworks which are running on
Neos)

What is our main focus at the moment?
=

The main focus is the encryption over GSM. This is very complicated issue and
for this we searching developer which are willing to work with us on this
interesting project.

What are the other components?
==

At the moment we only working on a phone firewall, which will be
blocking/accepting incoming calls. Later one we will add other projects or
developer will be able to add their projects.

Were you can find more informations?


http://moksec.networld.to : The main page
http://moko.networld.to   : The git repositories
http://networld.to/mailman/listinfo/moksec-public : The mailinglist

We hope that a lot of people will work with us on the security issue.

Happy programming

Alex Oberhauser

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Re: Howto hide keyboard (Was: Re: minimo (browser on freerunner))

[Michael Kluge]

Ups. Missed that. Looks good. Works :)

Michael

arne anka schrieb:
> some hours ago someone already posted how to add the keyboard toggle:
> 
> matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \
>--end-applets
> openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p
> anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar &
> 
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021296.html
> after rebooting or restarting X in the upper right corner there's a  
> keyboard icon ...
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