Re: Any update on Windows connectivity yet?

2008-07-15 Thread Vinc Duran
I used SunOS when it was time for that. And Novell. And Mac. Lately, I do mostly work in windows. :-( I do perform unauthorized upgrades on tivo's though. :-) I have a mythtv that is so close to being perfect I can smell it. I'm faster at a command prompt than with a mouse. I love to annoy my mac

Re: Claws Mail

2008-07-15 Thread Brian C
arne anka wrote: as promised, i uploaded a tar ball with everything belonging to claws-mail to ginguppin.de/node/17 included are libetpan11 and ibgnutls, at least libetpan11 (whatever it does) is not available from the feeds. if dependencies are missing, drop a mail. Thanks very much

Re: In the press

2008-07-15 Thread ian douglas
Vinc Duran wrote: As a /user/ I'd really like it if there were always an easy to find place for what is known to work. There's a LOT of info on the wiki but it can be a little daunting to find the newest this is what works kind of information. Is there any way to move the last edited marker

Re: Keyboard missing forward-slash key

2008-07-15 Thread Ken Restivo
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:07:10PM +0100, Andy Selby wrote: I can enter vi to start editing the file, but having switched to editing mode I can't exit it (back to command mode) because there's no Escape key on the keyboard! Thus I can't save the edited file! While it won't help at the

Re: New Freerunner, factory image - Registering...

2008-07-15 Thread Ken Restivo
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 09:17:49PM +0200, arne anka wrote: I ran into that immediately. The terminal is unusable without a slash key. That tells me that nobody is actually using that terminal app to do anything, but rather that it's only been used tethered by USB. But I looked and

[Qtopia] roaming - manual selection not working

2008-07-15 Thread Cédric Berger
Hi, My freerunner connects to my operator with no problems (SFR, france), and when I am in switzerland (geneva) and loose the signal, it automatically switches to another (swisscom... roaming costs so much more expensive for me...). That's fine with automatic mode. But I cannot force it into

Re: Anyone using FR as a phone?

2008-07-15 Thread Kalle Happonen
Hello, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: Hi, Diego Fernández Durán escribió: I use the FR as a phone. And I trying to figure out where can I apply my C, C++, Gtk knowledge to help in the development. A list of small things that must be done will be appreciated, so anybody of us

Re: In the press

2008-07-15 Thread Matt Joyce
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay Vaughan wrote: This stood out for me The tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki... Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? If so, what can we do to fix it up, how

[qtopia] task manager - kill applications

2008-07-15 Thread Cédric Berger
Is it possible to close / kill applications from the task manager ? A more powerfull task manager would be usefull. Sometimes a program is kind of stalled or not responsive, and it is difficult to stop it... It is often that I get my phone slower and slower (and touch GUI is a real pain when

Developer Interest

2008-07-15 Thread Patrick Ohearn
Interesting article about developer interest in different mobile platforms, http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/07/interest-in-the-iphone-android.html. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Bluetooth long in the tooth?

2008-07-15 Thread Ken Restivo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on 0 Huh? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 1

Re: Any update on Windows connectivity yet?

2008-07-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my bulk order buyers has prompted a question about whether there have been any advances with connecting a Freerunner to a Windows PC? Last I tried mine on an XP laptop, it detected a device but wanted

Re: Bluetooth long in the tooth?

2008-07-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on 0 Huh? Looks like user error to me: [EMAIL

Re: Bluetooth long in the tooth?

2008-07-15 Thread Lorn Potter
Ken Restivo wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on 0 Huh? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on [EMAIL

Re: [qtopia] task manager - kill applications

2008-07-15 Thread Lorn Potter
Cédric Berger wrote: Is it possible to close / kill applications from the task manager ? A more powerfull task manager would be usefull. There is now a terminal app in the qtopia image. Sometimes a program is kind of stalled or not responsive, and it is difficult to stop it... It is

Re: Bluetooth long in the tooth?

2008-07-15 Thread Valerio Valerio
Hi, this works fine for me in the FR: echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset After that check hciconfig. Cheers, -- Valério Valério

Re: Volume?

2008-07-15 Thread Andy Selby
2008/7/15 Edward A. Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a way to control volume yet? When I turn on my phone, the sounds are so loud and completely distorted that I'm afraid I'm going to blow out the speakers. SSH into the device and type #alsamixer then adjust the sound using the sliders

Re: [qtopia] task manager - kill applications

2008-07-15 Thread Cédric Berger
Thanks ! Indeed the terminal is welcome ! Just that when I have the option, I prefer using the gui. And I am not a linux expert so it usually takes time when I use the command line... I keep testing resume after suspend seems to work better now. Whole screen come back with strange color

Toolchain and missing libraries

2008-07-15 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Montag, den 14.07.2008, 21:11 -0700 schrieb Jim Morris: Ok good luck with toolchain, I tried and found a bunch of libs were missing... I'll try again later. You can get opkg to work in the toolchain to install missing libs. The steps were roughly: Get $ wget

Re: Bluetooth long in the tooth?

2008-07-15 Thread Ken Restivo
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:06:06AM +0100, Valerio Valerio wrote: Hi, this works fine for me in the FR: echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset

development on OS X/ppc

2008-07-15 Thread Christian Adams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, I'm patently waiting for my Freerunner from pulster.de and while waiting I want to setup a suitable build-env. Has anyone here done this on OS X(10.4.11)/powerpc? My PowerBook G4 running Tiger is my main development machine which I

Re: In the press

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
These are all great ideas and would be very helpful for us. We are a small company. And really try to focus all we can on our products. Community help to make these more approachable is something that would make us all very grateful. Well I'm certainly trying to help in any way I can, while

Re: In the press

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
I have the resources to set up such a site, but I definitely do not want to do anything counter-productive. I would really like to see OM do what they can as I prefer a one-stop solution as opposed to having to visit numerous sites to find solutions. I think the main goal would be

Re: In the press

2008-07-15 Thread Shawn Thompson
Actually I can speak from experience that Matt has hit it on the head. I was having problems with the moko makefile while trying to test QEMU until I can afford to get the actual phone. I couldn't figure out why it was building with a broken GUI, luckily I knew about the mailing lists and someone

Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread thomasg
Hi ppl, I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should know: *sbeh*, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the reason for the GPS problems. The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's mounted or in use, it just has to sit in

Re: Information about mailinglist merge

2008-07-15 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
Let me add a bit more here...Tony Tu will be moderating this support list and helping to organizing a knowledge base out of everyone's questions / support issues. He will explain more shortly... Please try your best to keep this list on topic. It's for support for existing device owners.

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Konstantin
thomasg wrote: Hi ppl, I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should know: _sbeh_, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the reason for the GPS problems. The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's mounted or in use,

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Yorick Moko
maybe this is the same reason for some of the audio issues? Or is it gms interference there? On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ppl, I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should know: sbeh, one of the people in #neo1973-germany

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Christophe Badoit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 thomasg a écrit : Hi ppl, I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should know: _sbeh_, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the reason for the GPS problems. The problem only occurs if a SD card is

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread thomasg
We are not sure about this, but it might be, that theres a voltage leaking on the EMC-shield behind the microSD - also just a guess, it might be the contacts of the SD-reader that are pretty hard and need a lot of pressure. But I think only the engineers can make that sure, and it's at least

Re: In the press

2008-07-15 Thread Ken Restivo
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:06:07PM +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote: These are all great ideas and would be very helpful for us. We are a small company. And really try to focus all we can on our products. Community help to make these more approachable is something that would make us all very

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Tim Schmidt
Awesome. At least we now know what's causing the problem. Is there a chance that changing the orientation of the internal antenna slightly (perhaps through very minor modifications to the inside of the plastic case) could rectify the issue? --tim ___

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket. oh man, if this is true, its not good news. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Jeffrey Malone
Went outside, got TTFF in 48s surrounded by buildings and trees. Definitely confirmed that removing the sd card fixes the gps. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Tim Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awesome. At least we now know what's causing the problem. Is there a chance that changing the

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Ken Restivo
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 07:12:40AM -0400, Tim Schmidt wrote: Awesome. At least we now know what's causing the problem. Is there a chance that changing the orientation of the internal antenna slightly (perhaps through very minor modifications to the inside of the plastic case) could rectify

Re: Replacing ASU/Qtopia keyboard with matchbox keyboard?

2008-07-15 Thread thomasg
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've installed the matchbox keyboard on my ASU installation, and I love it. matchbox-keyboard-im - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - qtopia-phone-x11-libinputmatch -

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Marcus Bauer
Confirming this too. Under decent conditions first TTFF 130s, then after a power down/power up it was ~40secs. Never saw it that fast on the Neo1973. Excellent! Well, more or less :o) On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 12:42 +0200, thomasg wrote: Hi ppl, I write this to community, not to devel or

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Rune Gangstø
Confirm. I've got a fix in 41secs (TTFF 41) Thanks for the great sharing :D The bad thing is the SD card :S 2008/7/15 Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Confirming this too. Under decent conditions first TTFF 130s, then after a power down/power up it was ~40secs. Never saw it that fast on the

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread thomasg
To be correct: not the card, the reader :) We checked it with some different Sandisk models and the card from OM (also standard-SD and SDHC), so the card itself cannot be the fault. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Rune Gangstø [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Confirm. I've got a fix in 41secs (TTFF

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 12:42 +0200, thomasg wrote: First results show at the same devices, even outdoor, that there is no fix in over 400 seconds with SD card, the signal seems to be at least 10 to 20 dB worse (so bad, that most satellites don't even appear). confirming this too. I never saw a

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
grr .. confirmed here too on my neo1973 .. without SD card, GPS fix happens in 30 seconds, with SD card .. well, its not found one yet after 10 minutes. note: i am indoors about a meter from the window .. this indicates, also, a problem in the factory test procedure. are SD cards tested

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread thomasg
On the 1973?! None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the Freerunners make problems. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: grr .. confirmed here too on my neo1973 .. without SD card, GPS fix happens in 30 seconds, with SD card .. well, its not

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:52:36PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote: who needs SD cards anyway ;-p I need it for one single reason... to store map data for gps... o_0 pgpP87gy2VgHR.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ti, 2008-07-15 kello 13:58 +, Ole Kliemann kirjoitti: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:52:36PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote: who needs SD cards anyway ;-p I need it for one single reason... to store map data for gps... o_0 Indeed that's a biggie... Here's hoping any kludgy but

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Tilman Baumann
Jay Vaughan wrote: grr .. confirmed here too on my neo1973 .. without SD card, GPS fix happens in 30 seconds, with SD card .. well, its not found one yet after 10 minutes. note: i am indoors about a meter from the window .. Not sure i can confirm this with mine. (GTA01) Time to fix was

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/7/15 Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Indeed that's a biggie... Here's hoping any kludgy but not-very-cumbersome fix will be found. (Let's wrap the µSD in tinfoil!) Or an external antenna? Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread john
A project I was on had a similar requirement of being able to search and read documents offline on the iPhone *snarl*. Anyway, what I did was port an excellent open source search engine called hyper estraier [1] over to the iPhone and used that on various kinds of documents. As a test I indexed

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Brian C
thomasg wrote: The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket. Testresults from other people appreciated. I can also confirm this. I never got a fix on FreeRunner before, even leaving it on all night (albeit

NEWBIE : beginning development in openmoko

2008-07-15 Thread Rahul Ramasubramanian
hi hope this is the right place for this query.. i am a newbie as far as openmoko is concerned , but have abt 2 years of mobile handset dev expirience. i want to try my hand at openmoko development.. i have worked on Linux based phones and also on phones with Qualcomm's REX and Brew platforms ,

Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread Brian C
john wrote: If there is an interest in this I could package it up for Openmoko. There is also potential for developing a native GUI local search tool using hyper estraier because it comes with a C API and other language bindings. This would remove the web server dependency. Please do package

Re: NEWBIE : beginning development in openmoko

2008-07-15 Thread smurfy - phil
Hi, try the openmoko.org wiki. http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile Phil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 15 July 2008, thomasg wrote: Hi ppl, I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should know: *sbeh*, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the reason for the GPS problems. The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if

Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

2008-07-15 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, papa-piet wrote: Hi Ian, check out that one: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295#p2956 wow... someone (at best original author) should simply create a project within openmoko.org for those openmokoscripts and see if it

Re: NEWBIE : beginning development in openmoko

2008-07-15 Thread Brian C
Rahul Ramasubramanian wrote: hi hope this is the right place for this query.. i am a newbie as far as openmoko is concerned , but have abt 2 years of mobile handset dev expirience. i want to try my hand at openmoko development.. i have worked on Linux based phones and also on phones with

Re: In the press

2008-07-15 Thread Scott Derrick
Man I have to agree. I'm just jumping on to the OM bandwagon with the purchase of two freerunners but have reservations about it now. Looking through the Wiki is a pain and a chore to find useful data. Yes there are gems in there but they are buried under tons of old and inaccurate data.

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Søren Kristiansen
It's indeed sad that it's the SD reader that's causing the problems, but at least the problem has been found now. It will be much easier to find a decent solution that allows the SD card to remain in the card reader. I just hope it can be fixed at home with some soldering or a homemade EMC-shield.

RE: In the press

2008-07-15 Thread Crane, Matthew
I think it's fair to say most open source projects evolve this way. The wiki isn't that bad, and if you want to develop starting from any sort of open and active code base you have to expect a learning curve and documentation that's not going to be exactly up to date. Keep in mind too that

RE: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Crane, Matthew
If it's the EMC shield, just remove it. It's not there to protect the phone, it's there to protect the world from your phone. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Søren Kristiansen Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:28 AM To: List for

Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

2008-07-15 Thread Jean-Francois Rousval
Hello ; I have the same problem in France with 3 SIM card provided by Orange : |3G DM | |3G DF | | 3G DF | | 2736

Re: Volume?

2008-07-15 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Emilis Dambauskas: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Andy Selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]SSH into the device and type #alsamixer then adjust the sound using the sliders There are so many of them and they are poorly named... Yesterday I

Re: Replacing ASU/Qtopia keyboard with matchbox keyboard?

2008-07-15 Thread nick loeve
Hi On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:17 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've installed the matchbox keyboard on my ASU installation, and I love it. matchbox-keyboard-im - 0.0+svnr1910-r10 - matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod -

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
wrong! won't help, don't try! /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: not-very-cumbersome fix will be found. (Let's wrap the µSD in tinfoil!) probably won't help. Be careful not to short anything /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread David Samblas Martinez
What not to try the soldering or try to shield the sd? both? --- El mar, 15/7/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Reason for GPS problems found! Para: community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha:

Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Ken Young
Joerg Reisenweber (joerg at openmoko.org) wrote: wrong! won't help, don't try! /j That's a bit cryptic - what are you saying is wrong? It it the idea of removing the shielding, or the claim that the GPS performance improves dramatically if the microSD card is removed? Ken Young

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
indeed, especially since I see possibility for it to be twofold: if it is not purely an issue of SD card in place putting physical stress on the board somehow (would be worth checking with dummy plastic insert instead of real SD card), it means that 1. either SD card is powered all the time

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
On the 1973?! Yup. None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the Freerunners make problems. I do not have a Freerunner yet. But for sure, without the SD card in, GPS seems to acquire faster. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
Did you say 1973, but mean Freerunner? No, I've only got a neo1973, and yes, it takes ages to aquire a fix. I'm capturing GPS traces on my 1973 on a regular basis, and always have an SD card of one sort of other in. After a power on, TTFF can be a couple minutes, and then the next fix

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
I guess the best would be to wait for OM engineering team to localize the actual problem -- the source of EM noise or god knows what else leads to the demolished GPS signal -- may be some other part has to be shielded, not SD card itself (some capacitor or chip on the path from SD to chip is noisy

Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
If there is an interest in this I could package it up for Openmoko. There is also potential for developing a native GUI local search tool using hyper estraier because it comes with a C API and other language bindings. This would remove the web server dependency. Please do package this for

Re: Reason for GPS problems found! Does it impact sound?

2008-07-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
and the same issue might be related to GSM sound distortions I guess -- may be someone who has it could verify if that is (un)related On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: indeed, especially since I see possibility for it to be twofold: if it is not purely an issue of SD card in place

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Jay Vaughan
It's indeed sad that it's the SD reader that's causing the problems, but at least the problem has been found now. It will be much easier to find a decent solution that allows the SD card to remain in the card reader. I just hope it can be fixed at home with some soldering or a

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Alejandro Enrique
This issue does not look good. Is there someone in Openmoko or FIC aware of it? If it is something that has to be fixed in hardware it may have a big impact in the project at this stage. I hope there will be some software workaround for this. 2008/7/15 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On the

Re: Different ways to boot an image?

2008-07-15 Thread John Reese
Thomas B. wrote: I have also summarized my own experiences with booting Qtopia from a SD card here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021524.html How do you set up / use the u-boot console over usb? Is there a wiki page on how to do that? I'd really love to get my FR

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Yorick Moko
they know about it now (joerg even replied in this thread, he's a member) On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Alejandro Enrique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue does not look good. Is there someone in Openmoko or FIC aware of it? If it is something that has to be fixed in hardware it may

Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?

2008-07-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
and there is an extension for mediawiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Hyper_Estraier and I wonder if Intelligent web crawler is intelligent enough that it could skip diffs from mediawiki online wiki. Sure thing for within-site use, it should index everything, but if once again it

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Tilman Baumann
Ken Young wrote: Joerg Reisenweber (joerg at openmoko.org) wrote: wrong! won't help, don't try! /j That's a bit cryptic - what are you saying is wrong? It it the idea of removing the shielding, That of course. Even if it is a good idea to test. No one should suggest to rip off the

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Peter Trapp
Von: thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the 1973?! None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the Freerunners make problems. I had also big problems getting a fix with the 1973 (I only had a fix once). I will try my 1973 and FR against this issue. Thx for the hint! -homyx -- 

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Eildert Groeneveld
Yes, TTFF less than 2min with the SD card removed. E ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Olivier Migeot
Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted). On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eildert

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread ian douglas
Considering you need to remove the battery and SIM to install a microSD card, probably not :o) Olivier Migeot wrote: Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a solution, but it still act as a workaround

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread arne anka
Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted). inserting the sd card requires the batter to

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Simonas Leleiva
you can go around the removing battery part if you power FR over USB. Are you sure you have to remove also SIM? -- sledge, not a FR owner yet On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:02 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering you need to remove the battery and SIM to install a microSD card,

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Travis Tabbal
*sigh* If a fix isn't found for this, I guess I'm waiting till the next version. I need GPS and SD at the same time. Hopefully the OM team can provide a simple fix as it seems to be a hardware issue. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Simonas Leleiva
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Travis Tabbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *sigh* Me, too :( If a fix isn't found for this, I guess I'm waiting till the next version. I need GPS and SD at the same time. Hopefully the OM team can provide a simple fix as it seems to be a hardware issue.

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Olivier Migeot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a solution, It takes removal of the battery to insert the SD, so it's a bit of a cumbersome

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread smurfy - phil
not the best but a better (than reinserting the sd card on the fly) is using a external antenna. Phil *sigh* If a fix isn't found for this, I guess I'm waiting till the next version. I need GPS and SD at the same time. Hopefully the OM team can provide a simple fix as it seems to be a

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll do more tests later, but for now we surely know what's causing the problem (and it seems to be a EMC problem). Why does people seem to think it's an EMC problem? Ill hazard a guess here (and I haven't even seen the

Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Edward A. Falk
Very nice to hear; any chance there will be a field fix for this? I bought my Moko to write mapping applications for it, and with the GPS the way it is, I may have well have bought a brick. Should I box it back up in anticipation of exchanging it later?

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Yogiz
This is something I really love about this project. if it were closed source, the problem might not have been found in months. All it takes is a sufficient community and we've already located the problem. Hopefully it has easy enough of a fix that we don't have to resend our Freerunners for

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Greg Bonett
Are the actual circuit schematics and board layouts for the FR available? Does anyone know of good open source circuit simulation/RF software? Also, depending on whats going on with the SD card issue, the easiest workaround might be to design a small external antenna (I think someone mentioned a

WLAN WPA-PEAP

2008-07-15 Thread Matthew Lane
Hello, I was curious if there was implemented support for WPA-PEAP with the GTA02 WLAN chip? I'm receiving errors about WPA-EAP, PEAP, and TKIP unable to parse. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread ian douglas
For those that follow the devel and commitlog lists, there was a patch submitted by Andy Green @ Openmoko on the 13th suggesting that an increase in voltage to the GPS workings might help. I haven't tried this myself. The note attached said: GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond

Re: Volume?

2008-07-15 Thread Edward A. Falk
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Andy Selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SSH into the device and type #alsamixer then adjust the sound using the sliders That did the trick. Headphone and PCM were both at 95%. Setting them to 90% and 80% respectively was a reasonable level. Any

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Chris
thomasg wrote: Testresults from other people appreciated. I can confirm this, I get a fix in about 90s without SD-card. I wasn't able to get a fix before this with the internal antenna. I can confirm the better signal of about 20dbm, too. ___

Re: WLAN WPA-PEAP

2008-07-15 Thread arne anka
I was curious if there was implemented support for WPA-PEAP with the GTA02 WLAN chip? I'm receiving errors about WPA-EAP, PEAP, and TKIP unable to parse. well, tkip works -- could you be more specific? what errors exactly? ___ Openmoko community

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
I am not sure what you are talking about -- wouldn't you be able to remove SD card in 'closed-source' phone and to see that GPS signal is boosted? It just takes ingenuity of Germans to localize the problem in a timely manner ;-) either having freerunner opensource is that great we would see if

Isolating GPS noise source was Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Simon Matthews
Is the noise from the SD card itself, most likely or from pcb signal/power lines going to/from the SD card? I should have my Freerunner by now so i could do some tests, but it is still stuck in China! Here are some ideas. If you mask off all the data and clock with sticky tape, but leave the

Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread Travis Tabbal
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:19 AM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not the best but a better (than reinserting the sd card on the fly) is using a external antenna. Not really an acceptable option for many. External GPS antennas are cumbersome beasts when used on a mobile device like the

Re: WLAN WPA-PEAP

2008-07-15 Thread Matthew Lane
arne anka wrote: I was curious if there was implemented support for WPA-PEAP with the GTA02 WLAN chip? I'm receiving errors about WPA-EAP, PEAP, and TKIP unable to parse. well, tkip works -- could you be more specific? what errors exactly?

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