Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread enaut

 I don't mind top-posting for one-liner/short type of answers...

 But I hate bottom-posting...
 There no way I spent time scrolling thru long (already read) posts.
   
well there is one thing to reduce the size of most quotations...don' t
quote the openmoko mailinglist signature! the other thing is to only
quote the relevant parts of the message.

enaut

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Re: Messages Program Issue

2008-07-19 Thread Andreas Dalsgaard
It will do so if you have any null contacts in your addressbook

2008/7/19 Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Whenever I launch my Messages program (with a sim or without) it begins
 loading, and then immediately crashes and shows nothing.  I have
 attempted rebooting the xserver and rebooting the phone itself, with and
 without the SIM card, connected to the PC and not.  There doesn't seem
 to be anything I can do to read my text messages.

 I am experiencing a very slow (and sometimes buggy) Messages program and
 I don't see any documentation on this.

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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

2008-07-19 Thread Tommi Kärkkäinen
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) kirjoitti:
 But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need 
 proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder technique.

Is there a specific tolerance requirement for the capacitor?


Tommi

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
 I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger
 buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus?  The current
 matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small.

probably here:
matchbox-keyboard-ui.c
resp in
openembedded/packages/matchbox-keyboard/files/smallscreen-fontsize.patch

atm the font sizes and so onseem all to be hardcoded.

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread jluis
 If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above
 the quotation.


Please dont top-post use inline replying and trim the quoted part to the
relevant one.

 Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page
 down to see the reply.

Its hardest go down and search to what part of the miriad of messges
quoted after your reply.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/top-post.html
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost

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Re: suspend and immediate wake-up

2008-07-19 Thread julien cubizolles
Le vendredi 18 juillet 2008 à 13:39 +0100, Al Johnson a écrit :

 It's getting woken by a message from the GSM. Mine does it on reregistration 
 at variable intervals, maybe 3 times an hour. If it happens much more often 
 it's worth reporting.

I've not properly measured how frequently it does it but for me it's
very often less than 5 seconds after it goes to suspend mode... Is there
a message in dmesg that indicates the waking is indeed due to
reregistration ? I have a log saved I could check.

Julien.



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Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread julien cubizolles
I think it would be a sane policy to prevent the screen from locking
during a conversation so that you don't need to unlock it just to hang
up. Don't you think ?

Julien.




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Re: suspend and immediate wake-up

2008-07-19 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:35:23AM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
 Le vendredi 18 juillet 2008 à 13:39 +0100, Al Johnson a écrit :
 
  It's getting woken by a message from the GSM. Mine does it on 
  reregistration 
  at variable intervals, maybe 3 times an hour. If it happens much more often 
  it's worth reporting.
 
 I've not properly measured how frequently it does it but for me it's
 very often less than 5 seconds after it goes to suspend mode... Is there
 a message in dmesg that indicates the waking is indeed due to
 reregistration ? I have a log saved I could check.

I can confirm this. I haven't run exhaustive tests, but almost whenever
I tried the FR woke up just seconds later. 

That was using GTK branch. I can't test this further right now as I
moved to ASU.


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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
 I think it would be a sane policy to prevent the screen from locking
 during a conversation so that you don't need to unlock it just to hang
 up. Don't you think ?

nope. it would mean that you might accidently execute any kind of action  
available by tapping just because your ear is funny shaped.
locking and hanging up by pressing aux or power shortly seems more  
sensible to me.

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
imho the number of people adverse to top postings equals more or less the  
number of people being annoyed by down-postings.
just recently i got mail over 4 pages (with  a screen 19200x1200 and 11px  
font!) with just one (and above all rather meaninmgless) sentence below.

ususally i know from the subject and a short glance a) what the thread was  
about or b) if i am inclined to read the mail.

this top/down is not going to solve anything ... there are imho two rules  
to be observed instead:
- use meaningful subjects
- quote only what is absolutely necessary


and btw: for the sake of future generations and the archive:
_never_ do something like oh! i found a solution! it's here:  
http://someoutsideurl. bye
there is little more annoying but searching the archives for a specific  
problem, hitting a solved-post and seeing it points to a dead link w/o  
citing the solution!

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread jluis
Hi arne,

 imho the number of people adverse to top postings equals more or less the
 number of people being annoyed by down-postings.

I thin both groups of people wat realy hate is full previous message,
including all signatures, quoting.

 just recently i got mail over 4 pages (with  a screen 19200x1200 and 11px
 font!) with just one (and above all rather meaninmgless) sentence below.

Most of those have a previous messege where the sentence us missing just
to make your day. :-)

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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread Jisakiel
What about leaving most of the screen without actions, and the hangup / hold / 
speaker buttons in the bottom of the screen? It's the part less probable to be 
touched by funny ears, and that way you can still use it fine... 



- Mensaje original 
De: arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Para: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
Enviado: sábado, 19 de julio, 2008 11:58:59
Asunto: Re: Screen locking while in conversation

 I think it would be a sane policy to prevent the screen from locking
 during a conversation so that you don't need to unlock it just to hang
 up. Don't you think ?

nope. it would mean that you might accidently execute any kind of action  
available by tapping just because your ear is funny shaped.
locking and hanging up by pressing aux or power shortly seems more  
sensible to me.

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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread julien cubizolles
Le samedi 19 juillet 2008 à 11:58 +0200, arne anka a écrit :

 nope. it would mean that you might accidently execute any kind of action  
 available by tapping just because your ear is funny shaped.
 locking and hanging up by pressing aux or power shortly seems more  
 sensible to me.

Yes that's a good idea. But it's not how it's working now right ?


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Jabber conference

2008-07-19 Thread Martin Holec
Hi, I founded Jabber conference: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlike
mailing lists allows faster to solve small problems for Jabber users. I
think that would be an excellent complement to the mailing lists, forums and
IRC.


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Re: Proper mixer settings for music playback, or hardware fixes?

2008-07-19 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 02:50:18PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote:
 On Friday 18 July 2008, Ole Kliemann wrote:
  On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 02:17:05PM +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
   I had heard
   about some resistor in wrong place resulting in high-pass filter and
   basically making music listening unbearable.
 
  Do you still remember where you read it?
 
  I have some problems with the output of the headphone jack too. But to
  me it sounds mostly distorted.
 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/019938.html
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-March/001994.html

I noticed the high-pass, but came to acceptable results using
alsamixer's bass-boost options. My main concern is with the distortion
in the mids to highs. As far as I understand, the above mentioned
postings only cover the high-pass problem. But I certainly don't
understand all the technical stuff.

Does anyone else experience distortion?


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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-19 Thread Christophe Badoit
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Timo Jyrinki a écrit :
 2008/7/18 Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 It seems it's not as good as without SD card, but definitely a visible
 improvement.
 
 Sorry for spamming, I just try to describe what I'm experiencing :)
 
 Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new kernel
 and GPS when SD card is used?

I'm able now with the new kernel to get a fix, indoor and outdoor, in
acceptables times (ttff ~ 1000s indoor, ~300 outdoor).

I feel like it was better without the SD, but still - it's good enough !!!

Thanks !

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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread Ben Wilson
or we could require more than one click (or maybe a drag) to hang-up 
using the touchscreen.

arne anka wrote:
 I think it would be a sane policy to prevent the screen from locking
 during a conversation so that you don't need to unlock it just to hang
 up. Don't you think ?
 

 nope. it would mean that you might accidently execute any kind of action  
 available by tapping just because your ear is funny shaped.
 locking and hanging up by pressing aux or power shortly seems more  
 sensible to me.

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Yocto
 this top/down is not going to solve anything ... there are imho two rules
 to be observed instead:
 - use meaningful subjects
 - quote only what is absolutely necessary

Agreed.

One more thing I like with other mailing lists.
They start their subjects with a token describing their mailing lists in 
square brackets.
This allow to quickly sort / filter the incoming mails.

Examples:   [jQuery],[Qemu-devel],   [ECOS],  [Rtai],  [vlc]

It would be nice to see the Openmoko mailing list use something like:
[OpenMoko], [OM] or [FR]

// Yocto 


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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Paul Bohme
Yocto wrote:
 One more thing I like with other mailing lists.
 They start their subjects with a token describing their mailing lists in 
 square brackets.
 This allow to quickly sort / filter the incoming mails.

 Examples:   [jQuery],[Qemu-devel],   [ECOS],  [Rtai],  [vlc]

 It would be nice to see the Openmoko mailing list use something like:
 [OpenMoko], [OM] or [FR]
   

Check the headers:

List-Id: List for Openmoko community discussion community.lists.openmoko.org




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Re: no sd card and slow start times

2008-07-19 Thread Josh Thompson
Replying to myself here.

I flashed the device with the default image and was able to get things working 
again.  I did discover that the Please wait part was from openmoko-today 
seg faulting.

Josh

On Fri July 18 2008 4:11:49 pm Josh Thompson wrote:
 I cannot seem to get my sd card mounted.  Before using it in my freerunner,
 I put it in the adapter and copied some stuff to it using my laptop.  I've
 done an upgrade on the system today.  I never tried it before upgrading. 
 It never gets mounted anywhere under /media or /mnt.  I don't see anything
 about it in /proc/partitions.  Is there a certain kernel module that needs
 to be inserted?

 Also, starting sometime today (probably around upgrading it), I've been
 getting stuck on the start screen where it has the openmoko log and
 says Please wait... for a long time whenever it boots (long being  5
 minutes).  The applet icons are there and the power and aux buttons bring
 up their respective menus.  I can shell in to it over usb.  Running top
 shows pretty minimal usage (10-15%) with neod and pulseaudio being the top
 processes.  Any ideas?


 Thanks so much to the Openmoko team for such a great device!

 Josh

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/7/19 Paul Bohme [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Check the headers:

 List-Id: List for Openmoko community discussion community.lists.openmoko.org


Even if your MUA doesn't let you filter on that header, you should be
able to filter on the TO or CC address, which will include
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

That said, do trim and inline- (or bottom-) post. See my sig.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread Olivier Berger
Jisakiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What about leaving most of the screen without actions, and the
 hangup / hold / speaker buttons in the bottom of the screen? It's
 the part less probable to be touched by funny ears, and that way you
 can still use it fine...


And what about using the phone's buttons to do that instead of the
screen... no ear would be shaped so bizare as to press the buttons ;)

My 2 cents,
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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread papa-piet
I would completely power off the screen, just to save power and power it
on after AUX- or power-button was pressed.

Peter K.
http://freeyourphone.de


Olivier Berger schrieb:
 Jisakiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 What about leaving most of the screen without actions, and the
 hangup / hold / speaker buttons in the bottom of the screen? It's
 the part less probable to be touched by funny ears, and that way you
 can still use it fine...

 
 And what about using the phone's buttons to do that instead of the
 screen... no ear would be shaped so bizare as to press the buttons ;)
 
 My 2 cents,

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wiki database error

2008-07-19 Thread koebi
Hi all,

   just wanted to let somebody know that today, after an edit on the 
wiki, I got a database error message:
---
Database error
 From Openmoko
Jump to: navigation, search
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in 
the software. The last attempted database query was:

 (SQL query hidden)

from within function SearchMySQL4::update. MySQL returned error 126: 
Incorrect key file for table './wikidb/searchindex.MYI'; try to repair 
it (localhost).
--

nevertheless, the changes I made were applied.

the page I edited was a subsection of
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_Munich

regards
koebi

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Re: Jabber conference

2008-07-19 Thread Alex Oberhauser
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 01:27:27PM +0200, Martin Holec wrote:
 Hi, I founded Jabber conference: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlike
 mailing lists allows faster to solve small problems for Jabber users. I
 think that would be an excellent complement to the mailing lists, forums and
 IRC.

I can offer an SILC server [1].

Regards

Alex

[1] http://silc.networld.to


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Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation.

2008-07-19 Thread matt joyce
Yes.
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022628.html


Josh Monson wrote:
 Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list?

 Michael/Brenda,
 Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom
 will be doing what, and will Brenda be coordinating the efforts I
 assume?
 I know this has all come up very quickly so it's totally understandable
 if there is no plan as of yet :P. Just trying to get coordination
 rolling.

 Cheers and thanks again

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:24 PM
 To: 'Steven **'; 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
 Cc: 'Brenda Wang'
 Subject: RE: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of
 mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation.

 The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since
 information just get posted.
 On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. 

 So... Solutions welcomed. 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven
 **
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:29 PM
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion
 Cc: Brenda Wang; steve
 Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly
 outdated and incomplete documentation.

 I'll tell you explicitly.  Go ahead.  It's a wiki!  If anyone doesn't
 like
 your change, they can easily see the history and revert it.  Or just
 clean
 up your change however they like.  That's what makes the wiki so
 powerful.

 If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it
 down
 so that you can't.  The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't
 worried regular users might edit it.

 -Steven

 On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   
 Hi there,

 I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by 
 editing the main page  adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ 
 wiki/Distributions

 But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the 
 Current software stack link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ 
 NeoSoftwareStack ??

 Perhaps these 5 categories:
   Introduction to Openmoko
   Openmoko Products
   Join Openmoko development
   Openmoko community
   Getting started with Openmoko Wiki
 should be extended with the addition of Openmoko software?

 Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the 
 Introduction to Openmoko to include the link to Distributions? As 
 a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it belongs
 to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly 
 if you wish me to feel free.

 Stroller.



 On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote:

 
 Brenda

   The main page index does not address Scotts issue.

   I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well.

   A good start would be a better search engine



 Steve

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda 
 Wang
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion
 Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of 
 mostly outdated and incomplete documentation.

 Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko.
 Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki 
 more easy to use.
 And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this 
 Index page.
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page

 Brenda

 Scott Derrick ??:
   
 Perhaps this is what you seek?

 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions



   
 This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM
 

   
 Wiki.

 Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki.

 But how do I find it?  Its not listed on the home page,  not on the
 FreeRunner page,  not on the getting started page?Unless I
 
 search
   
 for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never 
 know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it 
 existed was Software/distributions/distributions..

 There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and 
 layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on 
 the search engine, it sucks..

 I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT
 

   
 Wiki.  Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find 
 things instead of thwarting you.

 Scott

 
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Re: Screen locking while in conversation

2008-07-19 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:41:13 +0200 Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Jisakiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  What about leaving most of the screen without actions, and the
  hangup / hold / speaker buttons in the bottom of the screen? It's
  the part less probable to be touched by funny ears, and that way you
  can still use it fine...
 
 
 And what about using the phone's buttons to do that instead of the
 screen... no ear would be shaped so bizare as to press the buttons ;)

in ASU the AUX button toggles a screenlock which nullifies any touches on the
screen from doing anything useful (other than keeping backlight on). :)


-- 
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change ringtone

2008-07-19 Thread Zitune
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Hi,

I m trying to change my ringtone, but it seems i'm missing something.

I made a new .wav (because i m not sure that it manage .ogg/mp3 yet)
my .wav is 4.5 Mo
it'located in /media/card/wav (with all rigts)

i alter my /etc/pulse/session :

load-sample ringtone /media/card/wav/test.wav

I reboot my FR (when i make a /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart ... i
lost the sound !!!???)

and ... no more ringtone.

Is anybody know where i mess up ?



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GNU/Linux is user-friendly. It's just very selective about who its
friends are.
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Re: Ekiga for Openmoko, petition,

2008-07-19 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 18 July 2008, andres wrote:
 As I feel anxious about running an extension of my asterisk in the
 Freerunner, I wrote an email to the Ekiga people asking them to provide
 a Openmoko compiled binary for it.

Linphone is in OE and looks like it'll work once I work out which audio device 
to connect it to, and what mixer settings to use. It starts fine and 
registers, but when I make a call it gets continuous ALSA messages:

ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:805:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only 
playback stream

Call terminates fine too, so it looks promising. Currently it looks like only 
the CLI version is built. The GUI is compact and GTK-based, so that may work 
without (much) modification. Ideally the bitbake config needs updating for a 
more recent version. Currently it is v1.6.0 which needs libosip2 2.2.2 and 
doesn't include the hooks for external UIs to use. 1.7 would include the 
hooks while 2.x is needed for libosip2 3.x to work.

Having said that twinkle sounds good too. Always good to have a choice.

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-19 Thread Roland Mas
Timo Jyrinki, 2008-07-18 13:42:02 +0300 :

 Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new
 kernel and GPS when SD card is used?

Am Fr  18. Juli 2008 schrieb Roland Mas:

 I have.  Didn't manage to properly isolate the problem, but my gut
 feeling is that Andy's patch to disable SD when acquiring the first
 fix does only that for, well, the first fix.  *Apparently*, there are
 circumstances where running agpsgui once, getting a fix, exiting and
 restarting afterwards, doesn't result in the FR getting a new fix.  As
 you said, rebooting solves the problem, but suspend/resume cycles
 don't seem to reliably fix it.

Joerg Reisenweber, 2008-07-19 00:26:14 +0200 :

 Sorry! There's *no* disabling of SDcard for FF! 

  My apologies.  I was under the impression that the gist of the
kernel patch was to temporarily switch off the clock for the SD card
reader when it's not in use, and that this was able to reduce
interference with GPS signals, thus helping TTFF.  But I haven't
touched radio comms for years, so I might be completely off.

 Who's talking about suspend/resume cycles, did I miss sth?

  I am.  Since rebooting seemed to have an influence on the problem, I
thought it could help if I tried suspending and report my results.

 Please read the appropriate posts describing the way this patch
 works.  Otherwise, please don't conclude on false assumptions, but
 just report what you observed. Thanks for regarding this, helps a
 lot!

  That's what I was trying to do.  I suppose my wording was not good
enough, and I apologise for that.

Roland.
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Re: Proper mixer settings for music playback, or hardware fixes?

2008-07-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/7/19 Ole Kliemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Does anyone else experience distortion?

Hi. Just a short answer, I didn't experience any music-breaking
distortion in mid-high when using Neo for playback. Some clipping did
occur if I put (left) the volume at 100, but ca. 90 was fine and loud
enough.

I haven't had time to test much more, though.

-Timo

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Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-19 Thread Steven **
I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the
latest daily builds (2008-07-16 I think).  I have a theory.  I suspect
bluetooth isn't really being turned off when I think it is any more.
The factory image ran with a dimmed screen (no suspend) for a good 6
hours and only drained to 64% according to asm.  The latest daily
build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s).
How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power?

-Steven

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Steven **
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems I was a little too ambitious with this test.  I ran apm -s
 and then went to bed.  I woke up to a spiffy dead battery less than 6
 hours later.  :-/

 -Steven

 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Adam Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am currently using the 20080716 build, from:
 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/

 Try running the apm -s  That will suspend to ram. I do this by hand
 every time I want the phone to suspend. The power button, or a call will
 wake it.  Please keep in mind, suspend to ram is currently unstable.
 Just give it a 12~100 hour test, let me know. apm with out any arguments
 will give you the battery status.  None of this is any good if I am the
 only one who can get these numbers ;-)
 -Adam


 On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 21:35 -0500, Steven ** wrote:
 I too am using the 2007.2 image upgraded.  But I have no problem with
 dim+lock.  I haven't had my FreeRunner for long enough to definitively
 say how long the battery will last.  But I had it at work today,
 showing it off several times.  The remaining time it mostly sat on my
 desk with dim+lock (I picked it up and played with something every 30
 minutes or so).  apm showed 61% at the end of the work day.  Perhaps
 apm isn't accurate, but it would imply I could get quite a lot of
 standby time if I truly left the Freerunner alone.

 -Steven

 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How are you doing this?
 
  If I fully charge my GTA02 battery before I go to bed,.. it will be
  nearly empty when I wake up (I seep 7-8 hours),...
  Dim+nolock is choosen, as dim+lock seems to crash the device and I have
  to remove the battery to reboot (nothing else works). Does anybody else
  suffer from this?
 
  I'm using the 2007.2 image with everything upgraded...
  What are you using?

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Re: Ekiga for Openmoko, petition,

2008-07-19 Thread andres
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 01:01 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 Am Fr  18. Juli 2008 schrieb andres:
  Hi,
  
  As I feel anxious about running an extension of my asterisk in the
  Freerunner, 
 
 What's the use in running * on FR?
 maybe you could run * on your (home)server, on FR you probably like a decent 
 UA aka client
 /jOERG
the asterisk runs at home,
the extension (extension as a phone that registers into asterisk) will
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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-19 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2008/7/19 Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new kernel
 and GPS when SD card is used?

 *Apparently*, there are
 circumstances where running agpsgui once, getting a fix, exiting and
 restarting afterwards, doesn't result in the FR getting a new fix.  As
 you said, rebooting solves the problem, but suspend/resume cycles
 don't seem to reliably fix it.

Yep, I now had an opportunity to test it more. I used mostly TangoGPS,
and it seemed that in real world I basically needed to reboot every
time I wanted to reliably have a GPS fix. It felt like (just guesses,
hard to really isolate what's going on) if the device had suspended
even once, or otherwise stood still, I got zero satellite visibility
(also checked in AGPS UI). Even worse, it seemed that often after
reboot I first got satellite visibility for 30-60s, but before getting
a fix the satellites were lost again. But when it worked for long
enough, I got proper fixes with 6-10 satellites and the fix stayed,
which is of course way better than before the kernel fix, when this
was never possible.

The problem getting even the first fix after reboot might be related
to loading the initial map files from SD card, thus perhaps activating
the SD.

I haven't at least yet tried the tip about blinking led when SD clock
is active, but that might indeed be a very good debugging method for
anyone.

-Timo

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SIM card works with qtopia, not ASU or Factroy Image

2008-07-19 Thread Greg Bonett
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Has anyone else had a similar experience?  My SIM card works reliably
with qtopia but not with ASU or the factory image.  I have an ATT 3G
71234 4002 sim card. Image: (http://www.gregbonett.org/sim.png).

I've attatched 'logread -f' output for ASU and qtopia.

Is looks like some of the SIM issues are not hardware related but
software issues.

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alive inquiry
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Jul 19 14:04:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: try to wake up
Jul 19 14:04:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: submitting command `AT'
Jul 19 14:04:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Create wake up timer
Jul 19 14:04:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: interval expired, starting next 
alive inquiry
Jul 19 14:04:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: extra-submiting command
Jul 19 14:04:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: try to wake up
Jul 19 14:04:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: submitting command `AT'
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Wakeup time out!!
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: buf=`OK'(2)
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Get respond before timeout, remove 
timer!
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Calling final cmd-cb()
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Clearing mlbuf
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Create wake up timer
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: buf=`OK'(2)
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Get respond before timeout, remove 
timer!
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Calling final cmd-cb()
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: The wake up callback!!
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Clearing mlbuf
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: buf=`OK'(2)
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Get respond before timeout, remove 
timer!
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Calling final cmd-cb()
Jul 19 14:04:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Clearing mlbuf
Jul 19 14:05:59 om-gta02 user.info kernel: pcf50633 0-0073: pcf50633_irq 
scheduling work
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: interval expired, starting next 
alive inquiry
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: extra-submiting command
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: try to wake up
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: submitting command `AT'
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Create wake up timer
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: interval expired, starting next 
alive inquiry
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: extra-submiting command
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: try to wake up
Jul 19 14:09:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: submitting command `AT'
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Wakeup time out!!
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: buf=`OK'(2)
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Get respond before timeout, remove 
timer!
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Calling final cmd-cb()
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Clearing mlbuf
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Create wake up timer
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: buf=`OK'(2)
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Get respond before timeout, remove 
timer!
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Calling final cmd-cb()
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: The wake up callback!!
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Clearing mlbuf
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: buf=`OK'(2)
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Get respond before timeout, remove 
timer!
Jul 19 14:09:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Calling final cmd-cb()
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alive inquiry
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Jul 19 14:14:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: submitting command `AT'
Jul 19 14:14:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Create wake up timer
Jul 19 14:14:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: interval expired, starting next 
alive inquiry
Jul 19 14:14:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: extra-submiting command
Jul 19 14:14:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: try to wake up
Jul 19 14:14:44 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: submitting command `AT'
Jul 19 14:14:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Wakeup time out!!
Jul 19 14:14:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: buf=`OK'(2)
Jul 19 14:14:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Get respond before timeout, remove 
timer!
Jul 19 14:14:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Calling final cmd-cb()
Jul 19 14:14:47 om-gta02 daemon.debug gsmd: Clearing mlbuf
Jul 19 

Re: microSDHC class 4 or class 6?

2008-07-19 Thread Andrew Burgess
 On, 2008-07-18 kello 15:14 -0500, Hans L kirjoitti:

 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Andrew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can the Freerunner make use of the class 6 speed?
 If not I'll go for the max size.

 According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC
 Class 4 supports a minimum write speed of 4MB/s, and 6MB/s for class 6.

Correct and sorry for not defining my terms

 Not sure how fast the Freerunner is capable of writing though.

That's my real question

 According to raster the glamo (which is also the SD card
 controller) bus speed is 7.3m/s (I presume from context he
 means megabytes). This with the cpu doing nothing else
 besides transferring data to or from the card; thus in
 practice I don't think the class 4/6 distinction is going to
 matter much on the FR. I would go for the size (and did,
 with my 8 GB

I saw a post (here?) about the performance of different
filesystems and I recall seeing flash performance numbers of 9MB/s.
Maybe that was read speed but 9  7...

 But, I haven't experimented with the different classes, so grains of salt

OK, I'll volunteer.

I just ordered a 4GB class 6 and an 8GB class 4 from Newegg, both
Transcend brand. I'll post results next week.

Also, there were some wait state tweaks posted on the kernel
list to speedup glamo access. They were /sys controllable so
I'll throw them into the mix.

My little contribution :-)

Andrew Burgess

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread matt joyce

arne anka wrote:
 imho the number of people adverse to top postings equals more or less the  
 number of people being annoyed by down-postings.
 just recently i got mail over 4 pages (with  a screen 19200x1200 and 11px  
 font!) with just one (and above all rather meaninmgless) sentence below.

 ususally i know from the subject and a short glance a) what the thread was  
 about or b) if i am inclined to read the mail.

   

Agreed.

 this top/down is not going to solve anything ... there are imho two rules  
 to be observed instead:
 - use meaningful subjects
 - quote only what is absolutely necessary

   
A little common sense and curtsy, go along way.


 and btw: for the sake of future generations and the archive:
 _never_ do something like oh! i found a solution! it's here:  
 http://someoutsideurl. bye
 there is little more annoying but searching the archives for a specific  
 problem, hitting a solved-post and seeing it points to a dead link w/o  
 citing the solution!

   

A third must have rule should be; don't be lazy start a new thread.
Top/Bottom might annoy some people, but thread-jacking has a lasting 
consequence.  It really is an irksome practice.

Matt

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Re: microSDHC class 4 or class 6?

2008-07-19 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Not sure how fast the Freerunner is capable of writing though.
|
| That's my real question

It defaults to 16MHz SD_CLK, but you can mess with it now, see

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef2376d29e996d9d21a9e5798cb88aa73f734c83

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Re: suspend and immediate wake-up

2008-07-19 Thread Scott Petersen
Ole Kliemann wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:35:23AM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
  Le vendredi 18 juillet 2008 à 13:39 +0100, Al Johnson a écrit :
  
   It's getting woken by a message from the GSM. Mine does it on 
   reregistration 
   at variable intervals, maybe 3 times an hour. If it happens much more 
   often 
   it's worth reporting.
  
  I've not properly measured how frequently it does it but for me it's
  very often less than 5 seconds after it goes to suspend mode... Is there
  a message in dmesg that indicates the waking is indeed due to
  reregistration ? I have a log saved I could check.

 I can confirm this. I haven't run exhaustive tests, but almost whenever
 I tried the FR woke up just seconds later. 

 That was using GTK branch. I can't test this further right now as I
 moved to ASU.
   
I can also confirm a very quick return from suspend.  It usually wakes 
up within 10 to 40 seconds with only 2 attempts (out of several hundred 
over the course of 2 days) that stayed in sleep longer. These two 
attempts stayed in sleep for at least 1 hour after which I woke it up. 
If it means anything I am using the July 18th build of the kernel and 
2007.2.

Cheers
Scott Petersen

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How could I add packages to mokomakefile Image?

2008-07-19 Thread Alexander Syring
Hi
How could I add packages to the flash image?

Because I build an image with Mokomakefile and after flashing it to my 
Freerunner i have to add so much packages with opgk.

And if I could add the default to the image it would be great.

regards
Alex

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Charles Pax
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:17 AM, matt joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A third must have rule should be; don't be lazy start a new thread.
 Top/Bottom might annoy some people, but thread-jacking has a lasting
 consequence.  It really is an irksome practice.


Thread-jacking is annoying in the same way using vi is annoying. That's why
I use emacs.

-Charles


(just kidding)
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Re: Messages Program Issue

2008-07-19 Thread Matthew Lane
Andreas Dalsgaard wrote:
 It will do so if you have any null contacts in your addressbook

 2008/7/19 Matthew Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
 Whenever I launch my Messages program (with a sim or without) it begins
 loading, and then immediately crashes and shows nothing.  I have
 attempted rebooting the xserver and rebooting the phone itself, with and
 without the SIM card, connected to the PC and not.  There doesn't seem
 to be anything I can do to read my text messages.

 I am experiencing a very slow (and sometimes buggy) Messages program and
 I don't see any documentation on this.

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I don't have any null contacts.

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Re: Better keyboard?

2008-07-19 Thread Matthew Lane
Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote:
 Do you want to redesign the matchbox keyboard or use a different one?
 Feel free to modify any of the keypads on the projects page.  I can
 actually help with gtKeypad and have a patch in the works that will
 allow changing of key size with a config file.

 On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 20:32 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote:
   
 arne anka wrote:
 
 http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15

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 I would like to know how to redesign the keyboard to give it bigger 
 buttons so that I can use my finger instead of the stylus?  The current 
 matchbox keyboard's keys are way too small.

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I honestly don't care if I redesign it or just get a new one.  I like 
the matchbox keyboard because it has all of the keys that I'll need for 
terminal use, but the drawback is they all have to fit!

I saw a screenshot of a bigger keyboard with circular buttons used on 
the Neo1973, which keyboard is that?

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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread Mike


Scott Derrick wrote:
 If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above 
 the quotation.
 
 Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page 
 down to see the reply.
 
 Scott
 

Are you with openmoko?? Do you have any authority? You don't have an 
openmoko address.


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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Sa  19. Juli 2008 schrieb Yocto:
 One more thing I like with other mailing lists.
 They start their subjects with a token describing their mailing lists in 
 square brackets.
 This allow to quickly sort / filter the incoming mails.
 
 Examples:   [jQuery],[Qemu-devel],   [ECOS],  [Rtai],  [vlc]
 
 It would be nice to see the Openmoko mailing list use something like:
 [OpenMoko], [OM] or [FR]

Aaw, no! not this one again!
Please have a look at full expanded header of your mails! filter for 
mailing-list, not subject. All decent MUAs allow to do this.
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Interesting portable keyboard

2008-07-19 Thread Ron K. Jeffries
just saw this reference to a small keyboard that may work with Freerunner.

http://theburtonreport.blogspot.com/2008/06/ultra-slim-mobile-keyboard.html
Comments?

Ron K. Jeffries
http://www.retaggr.com/Card/RonKJeffries
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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
 If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above
 the quotation.

 Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page
 down to see the reply.

 Are you with openmoko?? Do you have any authority? You don't have an
 openmoko address.

how does it matter?

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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

2008-07-19 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Sa  19. Juli 2008 schrieb Tommi Kärkkäinen:
 Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) kirjoitti:
  But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need 
  proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder 
technique.
 
 Is there a specific tolerance requirement for the capacitor?

Nope
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Re: SIM card works with qtopia, not ASU or Factroy Image

2008-07-19 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Sa  19. Juli 2008 schrieb Greg Bonett:
 Has anyone else had a similar experience?  My SIM card works reliably
 with qtopia but not with ASU or the factory image.  I have an ATT 3G
 71234 4002 sim card. Image: (http://www.gregbonett.org/sim.png).
 
 I've attatched 'logread -f' output for ASU and qtopia.
 
 Is looks like some of the SIM issues are not hardware related but
 software issues.
 
 -Greg
 

please don't hijack threads!
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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread Mike



arne anka wrote:
 If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above
 the quotation.

 Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page
 down to see the reply.
 Are you with openmoko?? Do you have any authority? You don't have an
 openmoko address.
 
 how does it matter?
 

Are you seriously asking that question???  If he has authority then he's 
laying down the new rule for the list. If not, he's not.  Did I actually 
have to type this?




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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
 If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above
 the quotation.

 Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page
 down to see the reply.
 Are you with openmoko?? Do you have any authority? You don't have an
 openmoko address.

 how does it matter?


 Are you seriously asking that question???  If he has authority then he's
 laying down the new rule for the list. If not, he's not.  Did I actually
 have to type this?

yes, you have. this is not your little communist country -- it's an free  
for all list and rules are to be made by consent after discussion.
he made his point and you are free to do so, too. but you are cretainly  
not free to say who's allowed to say what!

btw: your request for showing his authority and stating he has no right  
othwerwise was laying down a new rule as well -- by which authority, may i  
ask?

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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, enaut wrote:

 
  I don't mind top-posting for one-liner/short type of answers...
 
  But I hate bottom-posting...
  There no way I spent time scrolling thru long (already read) posts.

 well there is one thing to reduce the size of most quotations...don' t
 quote the openmoko mailinglist signature! the other thing is to only
 quote the relevant parts of the message.

What would help here is if the signature was prepended with --  + new 
line. For some reason mailman's defaults don't this. If that --  would 
be there most clients simply strip off the signature. It would be great 
if that change could be made.

regards,
Derick

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/7/19 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 It would be nice to see the Openmoko mailing list use something like:
 [OpenMoko], [OM] or [FR]

 Aaw, no! not this one again!
 Please have a look at full expanded header of your mails! filter for
 mailing-list, not subject. All decent MUAs allow to do this.

Not everyone uses a decent MUA! I use gmail, which does allow not
filter on arbitrary headers. So I filter on TO and CC addresses.

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread Scott Derrick

Hows that?

Derick Rethans wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, enaut wrote:
What would help here is if the signature was prepended with --  + new 
line. For some reason mailman's defaults don't this. If that --  would 
be there most clients simply strip off the signature. It would be great 
if that change could be made.


regards,
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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not everyone uses a decent MUA! I use gmail, which does allow not
 filter on arbitrary headers. So I filter on TO and CC addresses.

Right... Select a message and click the little down arrow next to
reply, then click 'filter messages like this'.

Problem Solved.

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Steven Kurylo
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not everyone uses a decent MUA! I use gmail, which does allow not
 filter on arbitrary headers. So I filter on TO and CC addresses.

Yes it does.

Has Words: listid:community.lists.openmoko.org

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-19 Thread Ville-Pekka Vainio
Timo Jyrinki wrote:
 Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new kernel
 and GPS when SD card is used?

Yes, I just did some testing. The phone had been on for about 12 hours maybe 
and had gone through multiple suspend-wakeup cycles. TTFF was around 10 
minutes. Then I switched off the phone and switched it back on, after that 
TTFF was about 40 seconds.

Now that I came back indoors, the phone still has a fix and with older kernels 
it could not keep the fix if I went indoors. So it seems the software fix 
isn't perfect yet (it can't recover from suspend or something), but if you 
always start fresh, it does work well.


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Re: pdf in openmoko?

2008-07-19 Thread Arne Zachlod

i don't know why it isn't in the repository :).
but if i try to compile version 0.1.6 there is the following error 
(after om-conf epdfview):

__
checking for POPPLER... configure: error: Package requirements 
(poppler-glib = 0.5.0 gdk-2.0 = 2.6.0 pango) were not met:

No package 'poppler-glib' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables POPPLER_CFLAGS
and POPPLER_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.

FATAL: oe_runconf failed
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so, i know what it means, but i don't know what to do now? so, can 
anyone help? or give me a precompiled version? i need a pdf-viewer for 
my hollidays for reading a book, so this would be very nice.

Regards,
Arne



Brad Pitcher schrieb:
 There is a package called epdfviewer in openembedded which I used to use 
 on my Neo1973.  I'm too lazy to build it and it's dependancies.  Why 
 isn't it in the repository?

 Arne Zachlod wrote:
   
 hey guys!

 does anybody knows how i can open pdf documents in openmoko? very cool 
 would be if i could open them with gpe-filebrowser, but only open is 
 enought, too.

 ciao, Arne

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Re: Issues / Quirks with SMS via GUI (Messages app)

2008-07-19 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Matthew,

Am Freitag, den 18.07.2008, 20:55 -0400 schrieb Matthew Lane:
 Joachim Breitner wrote:
  Am Freitag, den 18.07.2008, 13:40 -0400 schrieb Matthew Lane:
  Also, the majority of my text messages are inserted into the Unknown 
  Sender contact, because some carriers append a 1 at the beginning of 
  their numbers.  Is there any simple solution for the Messages program to 
  identify this?
 
  I’m working on that, prelimary patches are
  https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1606, although not complete. As
  soon as I find time, I’ll try to complete this, and also fix this issue
  for the dialer and other parts.

 Awesome thanks.

Just FYI, I finished these patches, and submitted them at 
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000131.html
so assuming[1] they will be applied, this problem will be fixed in a near build.

Greetings,
Joachim

[1] I haven’t yet seen any statement in what form submission are
expected, but that’s my best try.
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Re: pdf in openmoko?

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
i put epdfview up to http://www.ginguppin.de/node/18
surprisingly enough you don't need any other libraries -- all dependencies  
are in the repositories.
just do
opkg install epdfview_somenumbers.ipk

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Re: Issues / Quirks with SMS via GUI (Messages app)

2008-07-19 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Matthew,

Am Freitag, den 18.07.2008, 13:40 -0400 schrieb Matthew Lane:
 Second, this is more of a major issue but I am not sure if it's 
 carrier-related or a problem with the phone's Message software itself.  
 When attempting to send a text message, I cannot send a message to a 
 number formatted (123) 456-7890 (eg. how VCard inserts its numbers).  
 However, when I text a number in the format 1234567890 it works just 
 fine.  VCard importing prefers the (123) 456-7890 format unfortunately.

I have filed a bug about this at
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1643
you might want to put yourself on the CC list. I hope that someone that
knows enough about libgsmd and phone-kit can tell where the problem
should be fixed.

Greetings,
Joachim
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Re: Accelerometer(s), Camera, and Memory

2008-07-19 Thread Tobias Diedrich
Dee Ayy wrote:
 So my question is the same as Francesco Cat's.  Where exactly are the
 accelerometers positioned on the device?

I think you can see the accelerometers on this image:
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_ps.JPG

They are indeed spaced as far apart as possible (Bottom left, top
right).

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USB connector not Mini-AB?

2008-07-19 Thread Tobias Diedrich
Hi list,

since I wanted to try the usb otg function, I bought an Mini-A to
standard USB plug cable.
However I found that the receptacle on my freerunner won't accept
the Mini-A plug of the cable.

Looking at the Freerunner connector, it looks like it's really a
Mini-B Female connector instead of the Mini-AB Female connector as
stated on
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware

Can someone else confirm this?

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Re: pdf in openmoko?

2008-07-19 Thread Arne Zachlod
tank you very much, i will put the address in the wiki if you agree.


arne anka schrieb:
 i put epdfview up to http://www.ginguppin.de/node/18
 surprisingly enough you don't need any other libraries -- all dependencies  
 are in the repositories.
 just do
 opkg install epdfview_somenumbers.ipk

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Re: pdf in openmoko?

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
 tank you very much, i will put the address in the wiki if you agree.

for the time being by all means.
still need to dig into that user repository stuff -- for the moment i am  
busy struggling with  JLex and Cup ...

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What exactly can be updated by opkg?

2008-07-19 Thread Dale Schumacher
When we do an opkg update  opkg upgrade what is potentially overwritten?

Is it just the root filesystem?  Just /usr?  How about the kernel and/or
uboot?

I understand that it is dependent on what actually NEEDS to be updated.  I'm
simply asking what CAN be updated.
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Re: wiki database error

2008-07-19 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:08 AM, koebi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   just wanted to let somebody know that today, after an edit on the
 wiki, I got a database error message:
 ---
 Database error

...

 nevertheless, the changes I made were applied.

 the page I edited was a subsection of
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_Munich

 regards
 koebi


I got a similar error yesterday.
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Re: What exactly can be updated by opkg?

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
 When we do an opkg update  opkg upgrade what is potentially  
 overwritten?

please, have a look at the archives and the wiki (should by now have an  
entry).
in short: kernel and root can be updated by opkg, uboot not.

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Leading '1' in contact's phone numbers

2008-07-19 Thread shawn sullivan
Hey all,

I've noticed that when I get a SMS message back, or a phone number shows 
up, it's displayed as 1-XXX-XXX-, and it's unrecognized by my 
address book.

i'm working to import my contacts from Thunderbird, should I add the 
nation code to the front of the numbers so that caller ID will work, or 
is there something else I can do?

Thx. . .shawn

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Re: Accelerometer(s), Camera, and Memory

2008-07-19 Thread Yogiz

 My head is spinning.  Somewhere I think I came across an 8GB maximum
 SD size.  Can I not use the largest SD size I can find?

Yeah you can and for now 8GB is pretty much the biggest you can find
although I've heard of 16GB too. Remember that it's SD micro.

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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Yogiz
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:58:00 -0400
Yocto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One more thing I like with other mailing lists.
 They start their subjects with a token describing their mailing lists
 in square brackets.
 This allow to quickly sort / filter the incoming mails.
 
 Examples:   [jQuery],[Qemu-devel],   [ECOS],  [Rtai],
 [vlc]
 
 It would be nice to see the Openmoko mailing list use something like:
 [OpenMoko], [OM] or [FR]
 
 // Yocto 
 

No, don't do that. That just makes the subject line more noisy while
actually adding zero extra information as you can already sort by using
the from field.

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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread Mike


arne anka wrote:
 If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above
 the quotation.

 Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page
 down to see the reply.
 Are you with openmoko?? Do you have any authority? You don't have an
 openmoko address.
 how does it matter?

 Are you seriously asking that question???  If he has authority then he's
 laying down the new rule for the list. If not, he's not.  Did I actually
 have to type this?
 
 yes, you have. this is not your little communist country -- it's an free  
 for all list and rules are to be made by consent after discussion.
 he made his point and you are free to do so, too. but you are cretainly  
 not free to say who's allowed to say what!
 
 btw: your request for showing his authority and stating he has no right  
 othwerwise was laying down a new rule as well -- by which authority, may i  
 ask?

OK so let's take this to the extreme- if I were to post something like 
From now on, the official rule is, no one can use the word 'code' on 
this mailing list.  You would be wrong to ask me if I had any 
authority, right?  And I would be correct to respond with no one does, 
therefore we all do, therefore I do, right?  That's the argument you 
just put forward.

Also, learn what communism is.  You're totally misplacing the term, 
confusing it with authoritarianism. For your convenience:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism


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Re: Leading '1' in contact's phone numbers

2008-07-19 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 19.07.2008, 14:17 -0600 schrieb shawn sullivan:
 I've noticed that when I get a SMS message back, or a phone number shows 
 up, it's displayed as 1-XXX-XXX-, and it's unrecognized by my 
 address book.
 
 i'm working to import my contacts from Thunderbird, should I add the 
 nation code to the front of the numbers so that caller ID will work, or 
 is there something else I can do?

FYI, I just fixed this in some patches, and submitted them at 
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000131.html
so assuming[1] they will be applied, this problem will be fixed in a
near build, I hope. If you want, I can send you builds of the relevant
packages, so you can test it.

Greetings,
Joachim

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who makes the rules? was: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
 OK so let's take this to the extreme- if I were to post something like
 From now on, the official rule is, no one can use the word 'code' on
 this mailing list.  You would be wrong to ask me if I had any
 authority, right?  And I would be correct to respond with no one does,
 therefore we all do, therefore I do, right?  That's the argument you
 just put forward.

what part of discussion and consent didn't you understand?

regarding your example: your best bet would be i answered nice idea, but  
i think 
but most likely i would think what a twit and ignore any further mails  
 from you.

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Rogers SIM (Canada) causing crash on Dialer

2008-07-19 Thread Sparrow
Hi Folks, 

I have an issue with a rogers (Canada) SIM card crashing the
dialer application when a call is started.  After hitting dial on the
dialer app the screen moves cuts over to the out going call screen and
then the dial crashes.  I have tried another SIM from a friend's 1st gen
iPhone and it works without issue.  This SIM does work in several other
phones without issue.  Where should I start to debug this issue?  
Thanks for your time and help. 

Best Regards, 
Steven O'Reilly





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text mode web browser in 2007.2 ?

2008-07-19 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi

I tried and opkg list | grep to find web browsers (for FR 2007.2) that
would work in text mode (useful to test wifi on a captive portal like
fon, for instance), but couldn't find any.

Any hints ?

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Re: Rules based policy engine

2008-07-19 Thread Ryan Meador
Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  The problem with this is that one needs to think like a programmer to
  describe your ideal phone as a set of rules like these. Not only does
  one have to think analytically and dissect their concept into orthogonal,
  machine-checkable rules, but from your examples it's also clear that for
  such a wide range of possibilities a whole *language* with *expressions*
  (at least boolean) is necessary.
 
 I see it as something like sieve.  Its a pretty full language for
 writing rules.  I, as a programmer, I do almost anything I want.  For
 the non-programmers there are various GUIs which allow you to do all
 the simple tasks with a couple clicks.  In fact filter email is fairly
 similar: if these three things are true, do X.  Then I have a stack of
 rules and it goes through them one at time until one is true.
 
 xpath might work.  There are a few options, though I would try to stay
 away from writing our own if it can be helps.  A plan old python class
 might be enough with function for each possible condition.
 


I think what we're looking for here is Prolog (or something very similar). 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolog.  I'd be very interested in contributing to
(and using!) a rule-based system such as this.  In addition to providing an
inference-based rules engine written in first order predicate logic, it has the
unique ability of adding rules with side effects (basically executing native
code) when certain things happen... I think it would work nicely (it basically
is for this purpose).  I already had plans to create a rule-based system for the
moko myself (an adaptation of a prolog-like inference system that I already have
under construction).  Due to the memory and processing constraints on the moko
and the desire to reuse code whenever possible (which I agree with
wholeheartedly), I think going with Prolog is probably a better choice than
trying to finish my hacked-together and unproven inference engine.

Now if only my Freerunner would arrive... dunno why it's been delayed by a week
before shipping.

Ryan Meador


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Re: Rogers SIM (Canada) causing crash on Dialer

2008-07-19 Thread Christopher White
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 17:05 -0400, Sparrow wrote:
 I have an issue with a rogers (Canada) SIM card crashing the
 dialer application when a call is started.  After hitting dial on the
 dialer app the screen moves cuts over to the out going call screen and
 then the dial crashes. 

I have seen exactly the same issue with an ATT SIM that fails to
register with the network (stays at Registering... and libgsm-tool
shows registration denied).  Swapped to a T-Mobile SIM and finally I can
dial out.

I too would be interested in knowing where to start debugging this.
Having a hard time finding a good point to grab on to.  I see no log
messages in logread and difficult to find anything on the wiki regarding
debugging.  Any good wiki pages about this?

...cj



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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread Jay Vaughan
 btw: your request for showing his authority and stating he has no  
 right
 othwerwise was laying down a new rule as well -- by which authority,  
 may i
 ask?


yikes.  can't we all just get along?

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Re: text mode web browser in 2007.2 ?

2008-07-19 Thread arne anka
http://www.ginguppin.de/node/19

built links the other day.

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Re: Leading '1' in contact's phone numbers

2008-07-19 Thread shawn sullivan
Joachim Breitner wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Am Samstag, den 19.07.2008, 14:17 -0600 schrieb shawn sullivan:
 I've noticed that when I get a SMS message back, or a phone number shows 
 up, it's displayed as 1-XXX-XXX-, and it's unrecognized by my 
 address book.

 i'm working to import my contacts from Thunderbird, should I add the 
 nation code to the front of the numbers so that caller ID will work, or 
 is there something else I can do?
 
 FYI, I just fixed this in some patches, and submitted them at 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000131.html
 so assuming[1] they will be applied, this problem will be fixed in a
 near build, I hope. If you want, I can send you builds of the relevant
 packages, so you can test it.
 
 Greetings,
 Joachim
 

I'd be happy to test this out. Does this install that the daily builds 
do (with the dfutil)?

thanks,
. . .shawn

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Re: Rogers SIM (Canada) causing crash on Dialer

2008-07-19 Thread Sparrow
Hi Christopher, 

I think my phone has registered with my provider, just not letting me
dial out.  From running libgsmd-tool -m shell here is what I am
getting:

libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

P
# Read current opername
Our current operator is Rogers Wireless
nr
# Query network registration
registered (home network) 
EVENT: Signal Quality: 28
D416XXx
# Unknown command `416XXX'
# Dial 416XXX
RSTR=`OK'
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: RELEASE
EVENT: Signal Quality: 25

In the above, I have replaced the part of the number dialled with X's. 


Best Regards, 
Steven O'Reilly

On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 17:17 -0400, Christopher White wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 17:05 -0400, Sparrow wrote:
  I have an issue with a rogers (Canada) SIM card crashing the
  dialer application when a call is started.  After hitting dial on the
  dialer app the screen moves cuts over to the out going call screen and
  then the dial crashes. 
 
 I have seen exactly the same issue with an ATT SIM that fails to
 register with the network (stays at Registering... and libgsm-tool
 shows registration denied).  Swapped to a T-Mobile SIM and finally I can
 dial out.
 
 I too would be interested in knowing where to start debugging this.
 Having a hard time finding a good point to grab on to.  I see no log
 messages in logread and difficult to find anything on the wiki regarding
 debugging.  Any good wiki pages about this?
 
 ...cj
 
 
 
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Re: Interesting portable keyboard

2008-07-19 Thread Jörgen Lidholm
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 just saw this reference to a small keyboard that may work with Freerunner.

 http://theburtonreport.blogspot.com/2008/06/ultra-slim-mobile-keyboard.html
 Comments?

Quite nice keyboard, rather slim. Wonder how it feels to type on.

Have a look at this one, http://www.senseboard.com/

/Jörgen


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Re: Dot'n reply above quote

2008-07-19 Thread Yocto
 Not everyone uses a decent MUA! I use gmail, which does allow not
 filter on arbitrary headers. So I filter on TO and CC addresses.
 
 Yes it does.
 
 Has Words: listid:community.lists.openmoko.org


What about the OpenMoko 'Messages' applications ?:)

From the qemu emulator image, it doesn't... ( yet? )
Having a token in the subject help manual (not auto) filtering.

// Yocto

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Re: Accelerometer(s), Camera, and Memory

2008-07-19 Thread David Pottage
On Saturday 19 July 2008 19:47:38 Dee Ayy wrote:
 Is there no camera?  After tracking my stolen phone with 2
 accelerometers and GPS, my app will like a nice candid snapshot/video
 of the culprit.

There is no camera. Also you can't use the accelerometers to do ineral 
navigation for more than a short time because there are no gyroscopes, or 
high precisson. The accelerometers are more usefull for gestures, detecting 
which way is down, and detecting free fall (ie dropping your phone). You 
could for example configure your phone to reject calls if it is face down, or 
sound a loud alarm if you drop it more than 60cm.

 My head is spinning.  Somewhere I think I came across an 8GB maximum
 SD size.  Can I not use the largest SD size I can find?

I have never heard of a limit, it is just that 8Gb is the largest size 
currently available. I dare say you will be able to use larger size cards 
when they become available.

 Where can I find documentation or APIs?  The above thread mentions
 /dev/input/event3  Is it mentioned somewhere at
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/ ?

The phone runs linux, and most of the APIs are the same as linux, so you can 
look for docs in the usual places. For phone specific stuff, check the Wiki, 
openembedded or the mailing list archive.

 Is the DBoard like a physical simulator for the closedPhone?  In other
 words, can I do development with only a Neo FreeRunner?

There is a simulator you can run on linux. It runs ARM binaries and emulates 
some of the phone hardware. You can also develop some types of X applications 
for the phone on your linux desktop, and then re-compile for the phone when 
you are ready, however now that hardware is available you are probably better 
off buying a phone, rather than relying exclusively on a simulator.

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USB Host Mode for Wifi Card - help!

2008-07-19 Thread Seattle Web Creations, LLC
I¹m having a problem getting my Linksys WUSB54GC  USB wifi card recognized
on the FR. I purchased a mini-USB to USB adapter as found here:
http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=
1781

Also, I¹ve picked up a battery powered USB hub like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Cyberpower-CP-H420MP-USB-Hub-Battery-Powered/dp/B0002U
QALQ

My Debian Sid installation boots from microSD with a kernel built with the
rt2x00 and rt73usb drivers (the same ones that are included with the
git.openmoko.org kernel); I have copied the rt73 firmware to /lib/firmware/
as well.

When I boot the Neo, I execute the command: echo 1 
/sys/devices/platform/neo-1973-pm-host.0/hostmode

Once I run the above command viola ­ my powered USB comes to life (although
there is also a light that comes on to inform me that the Freerunner is
charging it... Which seems to somewhat defeat the purpose of a powered USB
hub a little :/

I can plug in my SD card reader and it gets powered ­my WUSB54GC doesn¹t
seem to get enough power, nor is recognized by the FR after I modprobe
rt73usb and try ifconfig rausb0 up (I¹ve tried rasub1, wlan0, wlan1,
wmaster0 also).

Does anyone have any idea of what the problem can be? I would greatly
appreciate you help to find out if USB host mode will support wireless
cards!


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Re: SIM card works with qtopia, not ASU or Factroy Image

2008-07-19 Thread Greg Bonett
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Re: pdf in openmoko?

2008-07-19 Thread Brian C
arne anka wrote:
 i put epdfview up to http://www.ginguppin.de/node/18

I installed epdfview (thank you!) but neither the openmoko-browser2 nor
minimo knows to hand off a pdf link to another program.  Neither even
gives a Save As option.  These results should probably be filed as
bugs unless someone can explain how to fix.

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Re: Leading '1' in contact's phone numbers

2008-07-19 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 19.07.2008, 15:34 -0600 schrieb shawn sullivan:
 Joachim Breitner wrote:
  Am Samstag, den 19.07.2008, 14:17 -0600 schrieb shawn sullivan:
  I've noticed that when I get a SMS message back, or a phone number shows 
  up, it's displayed as 1-XXX-XXX-, and it's unrecognized by my 
  address book.
 
  i'm working to import my contacts from Thunderbird, should I add the 
  nation code to the front of the numbers so that caller ID will work, or 
  is there something else I can do?
  
  FYI, I just fixed this in some patches, and submitted them at 
  http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/000131.html
  so assuming[1] they will be applied, this problem will be fixed in a
  near build, I hope. If you want, I can send you builds of the relevant
  packages, so you can test it.
  

 I'd be happy to test this out. Does this install that the daily builds 
 do (with the dfutil)?

I have put the required packages on
http://www.joachim-breitner.de/openmoko/
It’s a current checkout with my patches applied. If you want review the
patches, I have made my git repository available, see:
http://git.nomeata.de/?p=openmoko.git;a=summary

Tell me if it works for you!

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Which Distro?

2008-07-19 Thread Ken Restivo
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:05:59PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:46:15 -0700 Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 
   i repeat... why ONE? why does everyone think we HAVE to support just ONE?
   why?
  
  1) reliability, bugfixes, fit and finish
  2) critical mass of applications
  3) usability
  4) it's a smartphone, I want to be able to actually use it, not just load
  distros endlessly on it
 
 no - i'm talking toolkit. you are equating distro WITH toolkit. there is no
 need to do that. OM will ship with 1 image and will be building and supporting
 an official OM image. other people may build and support their own - this is
 distros here i am talking about. hey have the freedom toand more power to 
 them!
 
   does your desktop linux distro ONLY run gtk apps? you can't use kde or qt
   apps? or SDL based games? or java apps? the desktop distro must also just
   choose ONE widget set and then all apps must use it? NO! this is wrong.
   please stop thinking this way. it's a limiting way of thinking. we have
   available to
  
  I agree with you about the widget sets. I think it's foolish to try to lock 
  a
  distro to only one widget set, and thus ignore all the great apps that would
  otherwise be available using another widget set. That said, I want only one
  distro, which uses all the widget sets. My Debian system is loaded with apps
  that use every widget set ever known to mankind (Tk, Gtk, Qt, KDE, FLTK,
  whatever).
 
 that is what OM is working on - remember this is openembedded. you can install
 any package from an OE package feed you like! its not fixed.
 
   developers their FAVORITE languages and FAVORITE toolkits - they dont NEED
   to go learn anything! that is the whole point! use what you already know!
   
Unless you really don't aspire to make anything beyond phones for
systems techies, you will have to pick just one distro that the phone
will ship with, won't you? You surely cannot switch distros from time
to time, since your existing user and developer base will expect to
see some continuity.
   
   switching distro is up to you. OM will ship a distro by default we work on
   one. the content and flavor of that distro is aiming at the above - 
   support
   as much as possible so we dont alienate people. if we said only gtk apps
   in c then all the python, ruby, java, c#, qt, c++ etc. devs run away, or
   HAVE to change.
  
  Again, I'm very glad that the phone lets me program in Python, or C, or
  whatever. It was a great thrill to sit here in my terminal and be working
  with an interactive Python interpreter on my telephone. But, again, as a
  user, I want one distro that has *everyone* pulling together to make it 
  great
  and solid-- using whatever programming language, widget set, etc, that
  pleases them. Diversity in the service of unity. The two always exist
  simultaneously in tension, and the great art is deciding where to apply the
  diversity and where to apply the unity. I'm suggesting diversity in toolkits
  and languages, in the service of unity of finished product.
 
 ALL the distros are based on openembedded. they are all compatible (same
 package manager, pakcaging systems, same base core os packages etc). they just
 all give you a different starting point.
 

#hank you for the detailed and informative response! I didn't understand any of 
the above (which was probably very obvious), and you made it very clear to me 
now. It seems to be a sensible approach. May I paraphrase some of this and turn 
it into a Wiki page? (Where exactly to put it would be another interesting 
question).


 think of it as ubuntu vs xubuntu vs kubuntu etc. its the same os. just
 different starting point.
 
   same if we said qt/c++ only, or phython only, or java only. why should you
   be boxed into a single box and a distro is only allowed to have 1 box? 
   why?
   just because every other phone maker works this way does not mean we have
   to.
   
So perhaps I can clarify: what distro do you intend to ship with to end
users?

If it is ASU, and I must wait, thats just fine with me, but your
response above seems to contradict that.
   
   ASU is what openmoko is working on.
   
I'd appreciate your helping us out here since I'm probably not the
only one confused ... what am I missing?
   
  
  Then ASU is the one I will work on too. I'm glad to be running it now. It
  seems excellent. All I need is to get the matchbox keyboard to replace the
  quite awful and useless keyboard that comes with ASU, and I'm all set to
  really enjoy this thing.
 
 the default keyboard is just as usable as the matchbox one. there is a full
 qwerty layout file available for it. keyboard layout is just a config file.
 unlike the matchbox keyboard it is also usable with a finger not just a 
 stylus.
 

Great! I didn't know that. Is this documented anywhere on the Wiki or should I 
start some page, i.e. Customizing_ASU_keyboard ?


Re: Provider missed calls messages

2008-07-19 Thread Russell Sears
It's probably related, but when the freerunner fails to ring, it doesn't 
realize that I've missed a call.  My old phone (same sim card) tells me 
that I've missed calls even if it was turned off when the call came in.

Also, I am not getting the you've got voicemail messages that I used 
to receive...

If this stuff is provider specific (I have T-Mobile in the US), will we 
need some sort of database of providers and the message formats they use?

-Rusty

Cédric Berger wrote:
 I also receive another sms from 123 once the message was aknowledged
 (listened by me !). (maybe even 2 sms if I listen to 2 pending
 messages...).
 This one is to trigger the message icon down...
 
 I had once seen some description of this kind of sms but have yet to
 find it now... I do not know to what point these messages are
 proprietary and specific to providers...
 (but anyway my old phone worked the same with other providers -it was
 initially bought with Orange contract-)
 
 I also think I have already seen some talks about such sms
 notifications in openmoko mailing lists...
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 09:09, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I now run Qtopia and my provider is SFR (france).

 When I have got a message on my voicemail, I get a sms from 123
 (that is the call number of my voicemail). It looks empty in the inbox
 of qtopia, but I will have to check what was really in.

 On my old phone, it would just have triggered a message icon (and
 sms would not appear in inbox).




 
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Re: Which Distro?

2008-07-19 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:42:58 -0700 Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 
 #hank you for the detailed and informative response! I didn't understand any
 #of the above (which was probably very obvious), and you made it very clear
 #to me now. It seems to be a sensible approach. May I paraphrase some of this
 #and turn it into a Wiki page? (Where exactly to put it would be another
 #interesting question).

sure. no problem. rememebr - all are openembedded based. there WILL be small
issues between them - more to do with competing packages. eg on one u have
one package that provides a panel with applets on another that same
functionality is done by another piece of software and thus a different
package. so if you want to integrate into desktop environment parts in
detail (eg replace today screen or wallpaper stuff etc.) it's the same as
desktop distros - you may have issues, but for regular applications it's all an
easy walk in the park. right now for phone and such access its a mess of
qtopi's qpe in ASU vs gsmd in 2007.2 vs FSO's dbus based access daemons. as
such ASU is for now and likely will merge with FSO'd back ends. i
know i hope to do a different UI than ASU currently has, myself - a major
improvement over it, at least he core desktop, and i am hoping to merge with
FSO in that way. ie make full use of FSO's back-ends and integrate and provide
a sexy front-end. :) but again - all of the distros use X11 (except the pure
qtopia one) so all toolkits work and apps should just work. ASU even support
the matchbox kbd activation protocol as well as a newer one i brewed up (thats
much more reliable as it uses a window property for keyboard requests). ASU has
a fully-fledged desktop WM in it (modified via modules/plugins to have
different behavior on such a small screen device), so there isn't much it can't
do (given a small amount of work).

 
  think of it as ubuntu vs xubuntu vs kubuntu etc. its the same os. just
  different starting point.
  
same if we said qt/c++ only, or phython only, or java only. why should
you be boxed into a single box and a distro is only allowed to have 1
box? why? just because every other phone maker works this way does not
mean we have to.

 So perhaps I can clarify: what distro do you intend to ship with to
 end users?
 
 If it is ASU, and I must wait, thats just fine with me, but your
 response above seems to contradict that.

ASU is what openmoko is working on.

 I'd appreciate your helping us out here since I'm probably not the
 only one confused ... what am I missing?

   
   Then ASU is the one I will work on too. I'm glad to be running it now. It
   seems excellent. All I need is to get the matchbox keyboard to replace the
   quite awful and useless keyboard that comes with ASU, and I'm all set to
   really enjoy this thing.
  
  the default keyboard is just as usable as the matchbox one. there is a full
  qwerty layout file available for it. keyboard layout is just a config file.
  unlike the matchbox keyboard it is also usable with a finger not just a
  stylus.
  
 
 Great! I didn't know that. Is this documented anywhere on the Wiki or should
 I start some page, i.e. Customizing_ASU_keyboard ?

nup. not documented... yet. i am actually in the middle of a keyboard rewrite
for ASU. the code is much much much cleaner now and well abstracted, and i have
a keyboard layout selector button/icon in addition to swipe up. i'm also
including the full qwerty keyboard by default for now - it may get split into a
separate package later, but as such the full qwerty keyboard works just like
matchbox's qwerty stylus keyboard, but uses the exact same kbd engine as the
predictive one. it's just a layout file. i am going from the principle that
it's easier for people to write for themselves little keyboard layout files
than write whole virtual keyboard programs. i['d eventually hope that people
can write a small plethora of them covering different languages and uses (eg
one with all the umlauts or accents for french or for german or swedish,
russian etc. etc.), and thus people can select variants of keyboard layouts to
use that work best for them or their usage. no need for whole new keyboards.

the keyboard code though is now abstracted into container - that can accept any
vkbd written specially (eg the matchbox multi-tap and qwerty ones) or the
internal built-in one. the built-in will be much more resource friendly as you
save on excess resources for a new process and new set of init code etc. but it
is still limited. no handwriting recognition etc. maybe over time i can
abstract gesture recognition into scribbling etc. subsystems... dunno. either
way - you get to choose what you want. right now it always creates the internal
keyboard - i haven't added code to disable that (and select something else to
run), but its not static project, it's under development like a lot of other
things.

but again - it is a virtual 

RE: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

2008-07-19 Thread steve
Ah,

 perhaps the best approach then would be a line up of known criminals.

 That is a gallery ( pictures etc) of SIM cards that are known to misbehave 

 

-Original Message-
From: Joachim Steiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:18 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Cc: Michael Shiloh; Brenda Wang; steve; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

steve wrote:
 Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers 
 have issues,  a table by country by carrier.

hi steve, michael, brenda, community.

that does not make real sense.
the issues we are seeing with some sim-cards are not carrier-related, but
related to which specific model of sim-card they bought.

currently it seems that old gemplus sim-cards have this issue, but we need
more people with and without problems to submit pictures of the contact-side
if the sim.
the only universal way we currently have to identify which manufacturer and
model the sim really is, is to have a scan/sharp photo.
the numbers on it are not unified and thus cannot be universally used to
look up which type it is.
also carriers tend to have multiple types of sim in use over the years and
also switch manufacturers from time to time.

see the attached pictures on ticket 666
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666

at the moment i am not yet sure if we have a electrical or mechanical
problem, but the current state from my point of view is: 'some type of
gemplus simcards (the 2 different types with round edges/ contact
plates) give trouble/do not work.

 This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and 
 for advising people prior to purchase.

indeed. also this needs more samples of which sims work and not work to
finally know whats going on and what to tell people to do as workaround.

so please do a shot like this:

http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/666/sim1.jpg

sharp, contact side. label the file as 'sim working' or 'sim notworking'
and attach it to this ticket in the wiki.

also would be nice to have some comment about which carrier, and when it was
given out, if you think its a '3g sim' and, if you want, the numbers on it.
but thats 'cream on top', not essential, since this is a carrier-independant
problem it seems.

kind regards.


ps: because it seems a often asked question:
the numbers of the sim are not directly 'secret' or need to be kept
confidential.
one cannot clone or locate your sim/phone with knowledge of these.
only the carrier who gave the sim out could identify or duplicate the sim,
and would not need the numbers on the original for that because that
information which one could look up is in their databases already.
so no harm done by having them in a photo.


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Re: Package and image signatures

2008-07-19 Thread Jeff
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 07:26:01AM +0200, Kalle Happonen wrote:
 Hi,
 would it be possible to add signatures for the packages and hashes for 
 the images?

As well, the prebuilt image files should have at least one of: md5sum,
sha1sum, or pgp signature files.

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Re: ATT SIM Card Doesn't Work, says registering

2008-07-19 Thread ian douglas
Yochai Gal wrote:
 went down to the local ATT store, they swapped me a new SIM, it makes
 and receives call, there's an echo on speakerphone, and it won't read my
 contacts off my sim.

Dumb question, but did ATT copy your contacts from the old SIM to the
new SIM?

-id

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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

2008-07-19 Thread Kyle Gordon
This is great news. Absolutely astounding turnaround time :-)

Just a quick query... I've not ordered mine yet (I was holding off until 
a resolution on this), will the devices en-route to the likes of Truebox 
and Pulster be fitted with this mod?

Cheers

Kyle

Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
 Dear Community:
 
 For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a 
 hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late, 
 because we have to make sure this fix works and don't have side effects.
 
 Here is the fix:
 
 http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
 
 This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case.
 
 But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need 
 proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder technique.
 
 We saw people ask about service issues of Openmoko devices, and we are 
 working on it. Our sales discussing with our distributor about proper 
 services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep update it.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tony Tu
 
 Openmoko, Inc.
 
 Support
 
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Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy

2008-07-19 Thread Tim Schmidt
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Steven **
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone interested in a different group buy?
 I want one of these:
 http://www.jetmall.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=303
 I think it would go with my FreeRunner very well.  It even has a
 little strap that I could hook though the hole on the FreeRunner!

 But as you'll see, they want $9 to ship a $3 stylus.  They apparently
 only offer UPS for shipping and I can't find any other store that
 sells this stylus.  However, the shipping cost doesn't go up with
 additional stylus (because they weigh nothing!).  So, if anyone else
 is interested in one, we could save on shipping by buying 10 of them
 and re-shipping via USPS (which wouldn't need more than a 42 cent
 stamp in the US).  Anyone interested?  If I can get 8 other people, it
 would work out to $4.50 per person.

I'm in.  Paypal work for getting you the cash?

--tim

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Re: Alternative stylus - Group Buy

2008-07-19 Thread Steven **
Yup, Paypal is fine if it comes from a bank account (not from a credit card).

You make 3 in the group.  Anyone else want in?

-Steven

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Tim Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Steven **
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone interested in a different group buy?
 I want one of these:
 http://www.jetmall.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=303
 I think it would go with my FreeRunner very well.  It even has a
 little strap that I could hook though the hole on the FreeRunner!

 But as you'll see, they want $9 to ship a $3 stylus.  They apparently
 only offer UPS for shipping and I can't find any other store that
 sells this stylus.  However, the shipping cost doesn't go up with
 additional stylus (because they weigh nothing!).  So, if anyone else
 is interested in one, we could save on shipping by buying 10 of them
 and re-shipping via USPS (which wouldn't need more than a 42 cent
 stamp in the US).  Anyone interested?  If I can get 8 other people, it
 would work out to $4.50 per person.

 I'm in.  Paypal work for getting you the cash?

 --tim

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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread matt joyce

Mike wrote:
 Scott Derrick wrote:
   
 If your going to quote the email your replying to, please reply above 
 the quotation.

 Its hard enough wading through 300 emails a day without having to page 
 down to see the reply.

 Scott

 

 Are you with openmoko?? Do you have any authority? You don't have an 
 openmoko address.


   
Authority?!
You have to be joking.

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Re: Reply above Quotation

2008-07-19 Thread matt joyce

 OK so let's take this to the extreme- if I were to post something like 
 From now on, the official rule is, no one can use the word 'code' on 
 this mailing list.  You would be wrong to ask me if I had any 
 authority, right?  

No, I would just ignore it.

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