date:20080726

Yep. One needs to notice that there is no standard for 2.5mm plugs
like there is for 3.5mm. That is, eg. Nokia's 2.5mm - 3.5mm adapters
do not work with Neo. Motorola's do.

I bought a few from the terrible looking pc-mobile.net, under Audio
adapters, code MP35A (3.5mm Stereo Audio Adapter for Motorola
MPx200/E398) - they work great.

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Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

2008/7/26 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I won't comment further at this time, but I'll amend the wiki later
 (cc'd to documentation as a reminder) so that some other relevant
 pages link to it  it's easier to find.

It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those
places it should be from :)

But you have good points. Openmoko is open, but its development is not
exposed in the open as much as I'd like for an open source project to
be. The Openmoko folks are still a bit mysterious to me, with the
exception of the few who regularly post on these mailing lists.

I think the line between Openmoko employee and a contributing, trusted
community member should be made more fuzzy. More SVN / GIT rights to
the people, more contributing directly to http://svn.openmoko.org/
instead of just external projects at projects.openmoko.org etc. I
would guess this is going to happen more with the development of FSO?

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Re: opkg tries to install package with wrong arch? (Was: What is Exposure?)

Hello,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It seems there are no om-gta02 kernel packages on downloads; as such
 I've updated the feeds config at
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz to include the buildhost
 om-gta02 repository, and I'm now getting correct kernels being installed
 when upgrading.

It still doesn't look quite right here:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg -test upgrade
Upgrading angstrom-version on root from 1:P1-Snapshot-20080725-r1 to
1:P1-Snapshot-20080726-r1...
Downloading 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/om-gta02/angstrom-version_P1-Snapshot-20080726-r1_om-gta02.ipk
Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r10 to
0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r11...
Downloading 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/armv4t/e-wm_0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r11_armv4t.ipk
Upgrading kernel on root from
2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0 to
2:2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1...
Downloading 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/neo1973/kernel_2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1_neo1973.ipk

I did an opkg update first, of course.
Is opkg caching this information somewhere else?
Or am I doing something wrong?
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Re: opkg tries to install package with wrong arch? (Was: What is Exposure?)

2008-07-26 Thread Michael Sheldon

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:56 AM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It seems there are no om-gta02 kernel packages on downloads; as such
 I've updated the feeds config at
 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz to include the buildhost
 om-gta02 repository, and I'm now getting correct kernels being installed
 when upgrading.
 
 It still doesn't look quite right here:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg -test upgrade
 Upgrading angstrom-version on root from 1:P1-Snapshot-20080725-r1 to
 1:P1-Snapshot-20080726-r1...
 Downloading 
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/om-gta02/angstrom-version_P1-Snapshot-20080726-r1_om-gta02.ipk
 Upgrading e-wm on root from 0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r10 to
 0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r11...
 Downloading 
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/armv4t/e-wm_0.16.999.042+cvs20080725-r11_armv4t.ipk
 Upgrading kernel on root from
 2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0 to
 2:2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1...
 Downloading 
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/neo1973/kernel_2.6.24+git75929+66a83c97c4545ce4f07e0d90998f906fae49caf2-r1_neo1973.ipk
 
 I did an opkg update first, of course.
 Is opkg caching this information somewhere else?
 Or am I doing something wrong?

  Could you check that you now have a file called 
/etc/opkg/om-gta02-daily-feed.conf?

  I'm going to be away for about a week with little or no internet 
connectivity, but I'll try to help when I get back if it hasn't been 
resolved by then.

  Cheers,
   Mike.

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RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei‏

2008-07-26 Thread Lin Mac

I'm in ShinChu and I'm willing to drive to Taipei to get the phone if possible.
Saving both the 80USD transport fee and time.
I've mailed to Openmoko and no response too.

IF there is no response, (and it seems very possible)
I would like to known how many is there in Taiwan on this list would like to
buy FR
And maybe we could share the transport fee and even get the 10-pack price??

I have signed at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales, but there are 4
only...

Best Regards,
Mac Lin

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:04:43 -0700
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Subject: Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei‏

Yeah I have the same question.
I wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and get no reply at all.
Buying from the online store and wasting time waiting it to be shipped is
really annoying.
If I can purchase it directly from the office that will be great!
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Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

2008-07-26 Thread rakshat hooja



 It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those
 places it should be from :)

 But you have good points. Openmoko is open, but its development is not
 exposed in the open as much as I'd like for an open source project to
 be. The Openmoko folks are still a bit mysterious to me, with the
 exception of the few who regularly post on these mailing lists.

 I think the line between Openmoko employee and a contributing, trusted
 community member should be made more fuzzy. More SVN / GIT rights to
 the people, more contributing directly to http://svn.openmoko.org/
 instead of just external projects at projects.openmoko.org etc.


You are right but I think that the problem lies in the fact that Openmoko
has not been able to provide any entry point where new people joining the
list (after the release of the freerunner) can figure out who and where to
ask what question. The Openmoko people are pretty open and if you will ask
for something long enough you will get an answer/ access from them.
MichaelShiloh of Openmoko used to interface with the community and
answer their
questions after getting the information from the developers in a regular
community update. I think Steve and Michael still do that? Maybe we should
have a page on the wiki describing who does what at Openmoko and who to
address what question to and also an introductory email for new subscribers
listing out similar things.

It has been almost an year since I wrote my first email to Openmoko
(actually to Sean  to which Michael Shiloh replied) I can assure you that
Openmoko people try their hardest to be open and responsive to community
suggestions/ questions. But often it takes time for the question/ request to
reach the correct person who can answer it / respond to it.

Rakshat
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Re: opkg tries to install package with wrong arch? (Was: What is Exposure?)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Could you check that you now have a file called
 /etc/opkg/om-gta02-daily-feed.conf?

Yes, I have that file:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ll /etc/opkg
drwxr-xr-x2 root root0 Jul 26 12:31 ./
drwxr-xr-x   49 root root0 Jul 26 11:49 ../
-rw-r--r--1 root root   75 Jul 15 02:56 all-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root  115 Jan  1  1970 arch.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   81 Jul 15 02:56 armv4t-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   85 Jan  1  1970
community-repository-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   83 Jul 15 02:56 neo1973-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   80 Jul 26 00:41 om-gta02-daily-feed.conf
-rw-r--r--1 root root   85 Jul 15 02:56 om-gta02-feed.conf

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'hwclock' not working? (ASU)

Hello,

I'm running ASU on my FR.

It seems that something is broken or missing for the 'hwclock' command to work:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 08:50:28 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock --systohc
hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock -s
hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock --help
BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary

Usage: hwclock [-r|--show] [-s|--hctosys] [-w|--systohc]
[-l|--localtime] [-u|--utc] [-f FILE]
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Re: list subscription question

Hello,

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Yochai Gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually I did do that --- but it still show's up in All Mail.

Oh, I see.
I always use the Inbox for reading new mail.
After that I read each label for the various mailing lists that I'm
subscribed to.
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Howto compile more kernel modules with MokoMakefile?

2008-07-26 Thread Alexander Syring

Hi
I want to compile the USB GADGED STORAGE module for the kernel how I have to 
do this?

Which files I have to change or to create?

Can I have an make menuconfig for kernel? And if yes how do I start it 
right? 
with make ARCH=arm4 menuconfig ?

thx  regards
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Re: Anyone have a Bluetooth mouse ?

2008-07-26 Thread Valerio Valerio

HI,

2008/7/26 Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  sudo /usr/sbin/hcidump -X  test_mouse
  Can't open device: No such device
 You should probably use the device file there, such as /dev/input/mouse
 or whatever. I'd dump it myself, but my MoGo mouse doesn't have a
 scrolling wheel.


It can't open the bluetooth device, probably your bluetooth device isn't
hci0.
Check with  hciconfig your device (hci0, hci1...) and then try with the
command sudo hcidump -i device_hcixx -X  test_mouse

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminal forASU)

2008-07-26 Thread onimas

Stroller,

Please try to see the bigger picture. The questions you are posing have nothing 
to do with design, and everything to do with emotions. You see something you 
don't like, you want to understand why it was implemented, and how to change 
it. Its the same emotions that ignited Sean to start this project.  
It almost doesn't matter if we are an open project or not. Anyone with a fair 
amount of googling skills can hack phones. ASU's inititative, since day one, 
was to gather information from the internet and pipe it to the phone in an easy 
and accessable way. 
ASU is not in any way about design.   Its about organization. By removing a 
feature, we are forced to self-organize using the resources within our 
environment.  On the net, we would share ideas through the wiki, projects and 
mailing lists.  We hope to see this same type of sharing within the phone, 
using resources like installer (aka assassin). If you do not like a certain 
feature, please change it, document it and share it. I find these discussions 
ignited by Raster, highly contradicting, especially when he was the one 
defending the 'why should om support only one toolkit' discussions from a month 
ago.  Now, all of the sudden, we should support one distribution, that happens 
to include a qwerty button. ASU was designed to be empty, supporting various 
ideas, toolkits, skins, keyboards, you name it.  Getting into discussions about 
'design decisions' is so entirely narrow that we are missing the point.  
Everyone should fork. Everyone should create their own distribution, we only 
ask that this is done responsibily, by documenting it in a way where the 
benefits of your customizations can be shared by others.  
Our jobs as designers was to think about how to organize this  information 
within an ever evolving system, using the very resources available to us.   I 
can't say that we have succeeded in any way, we are still taking the first 
steps (actually we haven't even taken the first step, ASU isn't even officially 
released yet!).  I read every single mail on this list.  I believe in replying 
in a way that answers questions, not in a way that feeds to emotions, for the 
very reason that emotions can not be argued with.  I will also do my best to 
answer questions to be more transparent about our group, but please have some 
mercy!  We do work full time, and it is hard to keep up sometimes ;)

Regards,

Will

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:46:55 
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Subject: Community contributions to core apps  features. (Was: Terminal for
ASU)



On 26 Jul 2008, at 03:10, steve wrote:

 Ask your questions stroller.

 I'll  do my best to answer them.

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your reply. I've posted my questions - or rather a request  
for openness  clarification - already in this thread. Because the  
background of the thread already contains all context you ought to  
need, it's difficult to know where to start asking you questions. Let  
me try.

On 21 Jul 2008, at 19:47, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
   the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any
   manual keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design
   and/or confuse users, so all apps and toolkits need modification
   to talk a protocol to bring up the keyboard on demand (no manual
   controls). that is why you need to do this.  personally i think you
   need a manual control because, as such, many apps and toolkits will
   not be changed, or they will get it wrong and give you a keyboard
   when you don't want one, or decide not to give you one when you
   do... but that's not my call.

- Who are the designers who decided that ASU is not to have any  
manual keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/ 
or confuse users please? Was this a group of Openmoko employees? Or  
a single individual at Openmoko? Does this person have a specified  
role managing the design of ASU? Who do users bitch to if they don't  
like design decisions?
- How do you respond to Raster's suggestion that a manual override  
will be needed?
- Is a complicated protocol to bring up the keyboard on demand -  
which each input method will need to be patched to support - *really*  
better than a simple button?
- Will it be difficult to accommodate this protocol when porting an  
input method (Dasher, for instance) to Openmoko? Or will it be simple  
enough to do so that it easily justifies that lack of a manual  
keyboard button?

No. Ignore those questions.

This is only a small thing. I haven't followed the details of the  
problem closely - it was Raster's i wanted to do this this way, but  
i wasn't allowed to that surprised me - but it looks like the  
problems that this introduces aren't unmanageable.

What is of more concern is the connotations of this decision. As far  
as we (end-users on

Re: Buzzing on GSM audio

2008-07-26 Thread rakshat hooja



 Belgium (JIMmobile)
 and I also have this problem with the 2007.2 image, with our without wifi
 or gps
 there isn't much static on my end,
 but the volume is quite low
 the other end also has low volume and when i increase his/her volume
 they get an echo

 https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support


I have an interesting observation to share. India still has old fixed copper
wire telephones (landlines) and when I call a landlines both sides seem to
be getting clear connections (no buzz and even the volume on the receivers
end is louder)

When calling a GSM mobile there is a buzz (sometimes, not always when I call
someone using my provider [Airtel in India] and almost always when calling
someone on another provider). Even more interestingly some people have
claimed that the volume and buzz is less when they call me. For example many
times I call someone, they will say that there is disturbance and that they
are going to cut the call and call me back. And when they call back they
report a clearer line.

I am using the latest Qtopia kernel and Rootfs.

Anyway I have started to use the Freerunner as my only phone so I will be
automatically testing the GSM buzz problem on each call!

Another approach I was thinking of was that if there is anyone on the list
who is not having the GSM buzz problem to please write in with their kernel,
rootfs and provider information.

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Re: The GTAs

2008/7/25 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Yes. There will be a new 2.5G GSM  module (2.5G = GSM+EDGE).

This is commonly mistaken, but:

2.5G = GSM with GPRS
2.75G = GSM with EDGE (=EGPRS)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5G and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution

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Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

2008-07-26 Thread Aaron Sowry

rakshat hooja wrote:



 It is already linked from the front page, but clearly from not those
 places it should be from :)

 But you have good points. Openmoko is open, but its development is not
 exposed in the open as much as I'd like for an open source project to
 be. The Openmoko folks are still a bit mysterious to me, with the
 exception of the few who regularly post on these mailing lists.

 I think the line between Openmoko employee and a contributing, trusted
 community member should be made more fuzzy. More SVN / GIT rights to
 the people, more contributing directly to http://svn.openmoko.org/
 instead of just external projects at projects.openmoko.org
 http://projects.openmoko.org etc. 


 You are right but I think that the problem lies in the fact that 
 Openmoko has not been able to provide any entry point where new people 
 joining the list (after the release of the freerunner) can figure out 
 who and where to ask what question. The Openmoko people are pretty 
 open and if you will ask for something long enough you will get an 
 answer/ access from them. Michael Shiloh of Openmoko used to interface 
 with the community and answer their questions after getting the 
 information from the developers in a regular community update. I think 
 Steve and Michael still do that? Maybe we should have a page on the 
 wiki describing who does what at Openmoko and who to address what 
 question to and also an introductory email for new subscribers listing 
 out similar things.

 It has been almost an year since I wrote my first email to Openmoko 
 (actually to Sean  to which Michael Shiloh replied) I can assure you 
 that Openmoko people try their hardest to be open and responsive to 
 community suggestions/ questions. But often it takes time for the 
 question/ request to reach the correct person who can answer it / 
 respond to it.

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This seems trivial but I think it is important. Even though open-source 
communities often strive to be non-heirarchical it is important that 
there be project leaders and that the people involved with development 
know these people and what their roles are. If you've just come on board 
(like I have) you could almost be forgiven for thinking that the 
Openmoko project is a loose-knit group of enthusiasts casually 
meandering from one platform to the next with no real direction for the 
past 12 months, and I think at least having a visible core team who send 
community updates on a regular basis is a step towards getting everyone 
singing from the same hymn sheet. These and other such details need to 
be prominently displayed on the wiki.

I guess the core aim of Openmoko is to liberate the mobile platform and 
put technology back in the hands of the end-user through open-source 
software, however people are only going to get on board if it works. I 
have to say that I am left slightly underwhelmed after a couple of days 
with my FreeRunner - as a development platform it is brilliant and the 
geek in me certainly doesn't regret the purchase, however it is 
frustrating that after a years worth of open development I am still 
unable to use it as my primary phone (purportedly the main purpose of 
the device) due to hardware and software issues. Remember that Linux is 
set to capture the mobile market in a seriously big way over the next 
few years so we are far from the only ones doing this, and I think that 
if Openmoko is to remain competitive rather than be relegated to a 
hobbyist device then progress needs to be made in leaps and bounds 
rather than dribs and drabs, at least in the usability department. 
Perhaps a little cohesion would be a step in the right direction.

Hopefully this is seen as constructive and not a whiny rant - I figure 
that this mailing list is intended for this type of discussion?


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Re: The GTAs

2008-07-26 Thread Mikko Rauhala

la, 2008-07-26 kello 14:53 +0300, Timo Jyrinki kirjoitti:
 2.5G = GSM with GPRS
 2.75G = GSM with EDGE (=EGPRS)

Yeah, but FWIW, the whole G notation especially for fractions should be
taken out and shot ;]

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Re: The GTAs

2008-07-26 Thread kenneth marken

On Saturday 26 July 2008 14:03:08 Mikko Rauhala wrote:
 la, 2008-07-26 kello 14:53 +0300, Timo Jyrinki kirjoitti:
  2.5G = GSM with GPRS
  2.75G = GSM with EDGE (=EGPRS)

 Yeah, but FWIW, the whole G notation especially for fractions should be
 taken out and shot ;]

it serves the same for marketing as megapixels or horsepower. its a simple 
number that a customer can look at, compare and figure that higher must be 
better...

so, who is up for firebombing some marketing deps?

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Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminal for ASU)

2008-07-26 Thread Michele Renda

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Hash: SHA1

This problem is common to all the process / firms: who must to take the
important design decision?

There can be two possibility:

A) Who code

B) Who doesn't code but can have a global vision of the project


To choose between these two alternatives is not easy. Who code know well
how it run, what the hardware can do.

Who don't code, may have a global vision of the project, he know which
are the objectives, deadlines, etc. etc.

I am a programmer: when I receive a work I receive the specification and
I must follow it. It happen that from time to time I think: but this is
a stupid request / non sense. But I have to follow.

According me the best solution is a between A and B. B know where to go,
and A know which is the better way of to take it.
So, on openmoko will be a very nice thing that on the morning they get a
very good coffe in a table and A and B, because A can do nothing without
B and B can do nothing without A.

Then there is the thirth element

C) The end users

The end user are who in the end will pay and will use the phone. Their
request are important but there are two big problems:

1) Often C don't know how it is running
2) All C's have different needs and different wishes. Is impossible to
have all the persons happy.

An example GTA3 must to have a camera? For me is NO, for another person
may be the same, but for another is very important to get it.
Who must to win?

So I think decisions must be taken by A union B reading from time to
time also what say C. A opensource project / phone DOESN'T mean a
democratic process.


In a future I hope that some persons will start to build a S.O. for
Openmoko but driven by a different organization.
This will let Openmoko to put all his resourses on the hardware part,
while the SOFTWARE part is managed my another organization (Like it
happen now with PC and OS)

But in every case, it is only a my idea :)

Regards
Michele Renda
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Re: 'hwclock' not working? (ASU)

2008-07-26 Thread Lorn Potter

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm running ASU on my FR.
 
 It seems that something is broken or missing for the 'hwclock' command to 
 work:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a
 Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 08:50:28 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock --systohc
 hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock -s
 hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock --help
 BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary
 
 Usage: hwclock [-r|--show] [-s|--hctosys] [-w|--systohc]
 [-l|--localtime] [-u|--utc] [-f FILE]

quick fix is to run
mkdir /dev/misc
ln -s /dev/rtc /dev/misc/rtc


-- 
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Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company

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RE: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei‏

2008-07-26 Thread ykstortnilats




Lin Mac wrote:
 
 I have signed at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales, but there are 4
 only...
 

I've signed up there too.
5 left...
I'll try to contact Openmoko on Monday.
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Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei‏

2008-07-26 Thread tony


ykstortnilats [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 Lin Mac wrote:
  
  I have signed at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales, but there are 4
  only...
  
 
 I've signed up there too.
 5 left...
 I'll try to contact Openmoko on Monday.


hmmm...I tried calling them by phone but that did not work because I did not
know anyone's extension. 
So I pressed 9 because that what it said to do to get to the operator and then
it just hung up. :(



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Re: Community contributions to core apps features. (Was: Terminal forASU)

2008-07-26 Thread The Rasterman

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:44:21 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Stroller,
 
 Please try to see the bigger picture. The questions you are posing have
 nothing to do with design, and everything to do with emotions. You see
 something you don't like, you want to understand why it was implemented, and
 how to change it. Its the same emotions that ignited Sean to start this
 project. It almost doesn't matter if we are an open project or not. Anyone
 with a fair amount of googling skills can hack phones. ASU's inititative,
 since day one, was to gather information from the internet and pipe it to the
 phone in an easy and accessable way. ASU is not in any way about design.
 Its about organization. By removing a feature, we are forced to self-organize
 using the resources within our environment.  On the net, we would share ideas

that is not the point. the point is that TEHCNICALLY many apps wont work
without a manual keyboard control - they need lots of modifying. the fact is
users DEMAND the control. automatic isn't reliable - and likely will never be
given a heterogeneous software environment. if you are apple and all
applications are your sand your write everything - you can guarantee everything
behaves one way. we are not apple. hell we don't have even a fraction o the
core systems or protocols or libraries etc. in place. we are in no position
currently - on s technical level, to pretend to do this.

 through the wiki, projects and mailing lists.  We hope to see this same type
 of sharing within the phone, using resources like installer (aka assassin).
 If you do not like a certain feature, please change it, document it and share
 it. I find these discussions ignited by Raster, highly contradicting,
 especially when he was the one defending the 'why should om support only one
 toolkit' discussions from a month ago.  Now, all of the sudden, we should
 support one distribution, that happens to include a qwerty button. ASU was

never said - that. i said already i intend to fork off my own distribution.
for me ASU is not usable. the people here said i don't want to fork - i want to
contribute to the core OS that openmoko supports and distributes. the way asu
is done requires forks. there is no contribution mechaism tat may in any
way affect design. multiple toolkits is a specious argument in this case. they
can all live together at the same time. on the same distribution and on the same
windowing system (well qtopia ported to x11 can. normal qtopia(on qws)
cannot... well.. that can be argued (implement a vfb in a window...)). the
existence and working of multiple toolkits is orthogonal to design and forking.

users were asking for something. a feature they need/want. they'd like it out
of the box. they will not get it. it is not in the design. i cannot answer
for that. i can't change the design. they will need to do their own fork that is
a replacement package(set) to start enabling lots of features. it starts with
theme. like 2007.2 vs qtopia vs. FSO vs ASU pretty much, just a smaller scale.
there is a VAST difference of having multiple toolkits available together under
1 distribution and 1 ui core (x11), vs design decisions to remove features (the
keyboard button is a trivial one - as it can be brought back with a theme
change) but there are many other that once they are removed require massive
efforts to bring back (code changes, config changes that cannot be done as the
only way to do them is via guis' that have been disabled, so you need to do
temporary code hacks to force them back to lie and back to being accessible so
you can modify the config). for example - you now need to fork illume and make
your own illume packages. that also requires a cleanout of the user config if
they used it before. users dont WANT to do this. but that is what you (and
sean) want them to do.

multiple toolkits vs, forking packages... these are very different issues.

 designed to be empty, supporting various ideas, toolkits, skins, keyboards,
 you name it.  Getting into discussions about 'design decisions' is so
 entirely narrow that we are missing the point.  Everyone should fork.

THIS is the problem. and i have been repremanded by sean for saying just this -
that you and sean said that everyone should fork, to me - do their own thing.
people asked if they need to do this, they fear needing to do it as it fragment
effort and they cant help the core system as they hoped to - and i said that
they need to. they need to do their own thing. i am just the messenger. i
ignited nothing - i simply said what was the facts in this case. i have
chosen my words carefully and have remained factual and neutral. i have
personal opinions on elements of design choice - based on technical
arguments, but that is as far as they can go in ASU. i am not able to make
design changes. it's not my call - i have been firmly informed of the
unhappiness of me doing anything in addition or differently to or other than
instructed to in the design. i thus

ATT 3G 71234 D (was Re: service with NorthState in NC)

On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 14:42 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Hi Chris,
 
 Can you please add your situation to this page:
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards#Compatibility_table
 

Done.  One interesting note that I added to the wiki was that I did get
strong signal bars despite Registering  I tried to make a call out
to my Verizon phone.  Once the call got through just enough to show my
FreeRunner number but then dialer crashed.  It seemed to try and be
receiving text messages, as I got a lot of stuff from 411 and 611
showing up in my inbox, but all were blank.

...cj   




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wrong offset of mouse in landscape mode (and scummvm)

2008-07-26 Thread Yorick Moko

I installed scummvm on the FreeRunner (fully updated ASU image) and it
runs nicely, except that is automatically launches in landscape mode.
And due to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1244 I can't even
click on the add game button.
Is there any work being done concerning this bug? To me changing the
cursor offset seems pretty trivial but apparently it isn't.

kind regards,
y

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Firewall blocks USB ethernet

2008-07-26 Thread Scott Derrick

I finally have my FR's, WH!

Got USB networking set up but I have to shutdown my firewall to get it
to work?

I'm using Ubuntu Hardy, and Firestarter as the firewall iptable  mananger.

Anybody know of a How-to that can tell me how to setup my system to
allow usb networking through the firewall?

Scott


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Re: asu and handwriting recognition of qtopia

 and some people built it for FR
 http://www.ginguppin.de/node/16

that's me :-)
but cellwriter
- does not hook into the matchbox mechanism to unhide when needed
- seems not to be able to feed the charcaters to the actual application
- is not fullscreen -- might be ok with a real tablet, but with the om the  
fields are to small to write on

whiel the first two are probably more or less easy to fix, the third is  
rather a showstopper.

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power management/wakeups with qtopia vs 2007.2

yesterday in installed qtopia to an sd card to check it out, tried the  
phone (worked) and went to bed.
the 2007.2 uses to resume frequently w/o any apparent reason -- as far as  
i can tell the qtopia does not.
yet, it responses to incoming calls and resumes.
in the morning the battery status was better (judging from the battery  
indicator) than w/ 2007.2.
so, what does the qtopia do 2007.2 does not and is it possible to port  
that bit to 2007.2?

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Re: Firewall blocks USB ethernet

2008-07-26 Thread Yogiz

 Anybody know of a How-to that can tell me how to setup my system to
 allow usb networking through the firewall?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but all you should do is allow ssh access
(port 22) to the Freerunner's IP. Let us know how it works out.

Yogiz

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Re: Qtopia questions

On Saturday 26 July 2008 07:47:14 Lorn Potter wrote:

 I have been told, a lot of them seem to be I don't like the way you do
 this, my way is better, or 'code clean-ups', or such that do not fix
 any real bugs at all, or are specific to the Neo, and not taking into
 consideration that many other (buggy) devices have to remain working.

Not quite true, some examples:
- ThemedView changes and speed up's should apply to Qtopia
- Various fixes to CallScreen (see our bugtracker).
- If you showed the keypad, remote hang up, make a call...
- Display one call as Hold, Connected and Dialing at the 
same time 
  (Menu, Buttons, Display)
- many more such things...
 many more. So from the ~360 patches about 5 of them make things 
harder 
for other people.

My approach:
- I do clean up the incosistent usage of 1, 3, 4 spaces mixed with tabs 
and 
placing braces and #ifdef's randomly. If you write code like that you want to 
hide something and the reason I have to touch this code is because there is 
something hiding.
- I create the most simple patch for the issue as possible. One patch 
one 
issue. Obviously sometimes I don't understand the consequences of my change 
as the whole code is so fragile.
- I care little about BC, if I need to add a parameter to a method I do 
so, 
the commit messages state so though.

Example:
- Plain Qtopia is starting timers to guess when a call was missed, when 
all 
the data of an incoming call is present (combining RING, CRING and other 
notifications). This creates all funny kind of bugs as this guessing is mixed 
with %CPI. So Qtopia thinks the call was missed, but you get a %CPI and 
suddenly we report a new call. And you see Disconnected and Incoming in 
the callscreen.

- So I decided to solely rely on %CPI information for our code. One way 
would 
have been to just remove the timers from the libraries and be happy. If I did 
so you could have claimed that I don't think about other devices. So as I 
care about the consequences for other devices where timers might be needed I 
added methods to make starting of timers optional. So just because some 
modems are worse than the TI Calypso you shouldn't punish modems that are 
better And again I fix this kind of things because it failed in reality.. 
not because I have fun thinking about all the possible race conditions 
available in the Qtopia source.

- I think the approach and implementation is reasonable. If you don't 
think 
so open up and start discussing it.




 We have implemented some of his patches. I personally have done a few of
 them, some after having to patch the patch.

Please communicate... I get zero feedback on changes. The patch might have 
been seen, the patch might have been integrated... the patch might have been 
fixed differently is not the way to go if you want to interact with the 
OpenSource and FreeSoftware community.



 As well, we have been working on getting 4.4 ready to release. There are
 quite a few changes in 4.4, and quite a few have to be manually
 integrated and such.

well, release Qtopia4.4 beta's rsync. I can see the upcoming Qt 4.5 code today 
as well, so what is keeping you from releasing Qtopia4.4 snapshot code today?

z.

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Re: Ringtone and vibration configuration

2008-07-26 Thread Dylan Reilly

I agree that modifying the state files for such a purpose could be
anti-productive. In lieu of that, what controls the loading of the
profiles? Are they loading on an app by app basis or is there some
controller that handles it? I would want to ensure that if I applied
any changes to alsa directly that they would not be overwritten by a
profile load.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Sa  26. Juli 2008 schrieb Dylan Reilly:
 I am hoping to make some scripts, etc. for incoming call scenarios.

 1) What mixer setting in alsamixer controls the ringtone volume?
 2) What alsa profile is used when a call is first incoming?
 gsmhandset.state?
 3) How can one control the state of the vibrations (on, off, and ideally
 etc.)?

 Please note I consider our concept of restoring a *complete* mixer setting by
 alsactl somewhat limited (not to say brain damaged)
 If I need a special scenario to push out a ringtone via speaker, this
 shouldn't affect any record setup i did for mic for use with some completely
 different concurrently running app (please find better examples if you're
 about to say mic will catch ringtone sound).
 Also switching from headset.state to speaker.state is done without regarding
 those are mutually exclusive setups, and speaker mustn't be used while
 headset is plugged. :-(
 Doing setup modification just for the mixer elements that are actually needed,
 by some amixer script, looks like a more sane way to me

 Just my 2 cents
 /jOERG




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Re: Firewall blocks USB ethernet

2008-07-26 Thread Andrew Bruno

Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I finally have my FR's, WH!

 Got USB networking set up but I have to shutdown my firewall to get it
 to work?

 I'm using Ubuntu Hardy, and Firestarter as the firewall iptable  mananger.

 Anybody know of a How-to that can tell me how to setup my system to
 allow usb networking through the firewall?


You have to enable internet connection sharing for usb0. Try doing the
following in Firestarter:

- Edit - Preferences - Firewall - Network Settings
- Set 'Local network connected device' to:  Unknown device (usb0)
- Check 'Enable internet connection sharing'

Hope that helps.

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New York Purchasing Group

2008-07-26 Thread Charles Pax

Does anyone know what happened to the New York purchasing group? The swiki
has been down!

-Charles Pax
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device only powers up on its own

2008-07-26 Thread Dimitri


Check this out:

My new Freerunner's battery is fully charged.

But, whenever I attempt to power it up, it refuses. Nothing happens. It
won't power on.

But, the instant I plug it in, via USB, it powers up on its own (without my
pressing its power button.)

It's not a battery issue, because I can instantly disconnect the USB cable
(the instant the phone starts to boot up), and it continues booting up and
operating normally. But when I powered it off, I have to reconnect it via
usb to power on again.

Unless there's a magic trick to turning on the phone, it's DOA as far as I'm
concerned. (I can't be expected to carry around a laptop, or a portable AC
power generator, to turn on the phone.)

Please advise.
Dimitri
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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)

2008-07-26 Thread Peter Nijs

After a while it became clear it was only reproducible when my neo can visibly 
see my router. When there's concrete in between it doesn't work for my neo. 
My notebook on the other hand reports 60% signal strength and can connect in 
seconds.

When udhcpc is sending discovers I can see on my router it is receiving 
these discovers and is assigning my neo an ip. Unfortunatly udhcpc keeps 
sending discovers as if it doesn't hear my router's respons.

Sometimes udhcpc outputs a couple of this lines Sending select for 
192.168.1.92 At these moments I can see on my router the lease time for 
that ip is forever. But after udhcpc outputted a couple of these lines it 
reverts to sending discovers.

When I leave udhcpc running for like 10 minutes it finally also receives a 
lease time which is quite forever (140773632 seconds). My router reports it 
as forever.

Here's my iwconfig output if it can be of any use:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
lono wireless extensions.

usb0  no wireless extensions.

eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:PN
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51
  Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
  Retry:on
  Encryption key:off
  Power Management:off
  Link Quality:172/94  Signal level:-179 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:39  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

I think it's mainly a bug in udhcpc which maibe isn't fully compatible with my 
edimax router and dhcp server.

Peter Nijs

Op Friday 25 July 2008 01:27:58 schreef Peter Nijs:
 With udhcpc eth0 immediatly after ifup eth0 I seem to get an IP
 (reproducably!). I also did ifdown usb0 now before I did ifup eth0. I was
 planning to that _after_ I got an IP on eth0. Thanks for the help!

 Peter Nijs

 Op Thursday 24 July 2008 23:09:12 schreef Jim Morris:
  Make sure you do ifdown usb0 before ifup eth0
 
  Then if dhcp does not get a lease first time through (which for me is
  about 50/50) then you can do this from the console which always gets the
  lease for me.
 
udhcpc eth0
 
  After that wifi should work.
 
  Peter Nijs wrote:
   After a whole lot of tweaking I still cannot get an IP from my wireless
   router. My current setup looks like this:
  
   /etc/network/interfaces:---
   # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
  
   # The loopback interface
   auto lo
   iface lo inet loopback
  
   # Wireless interfaces
   iface wlan0 inet dhcp
   wireless_mode managed
   wireless_essid any
   iface atml0 inet dhcp
  
   # Wired or wireless interfaces
   iface eth0 inet dhcp
  wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
  
   iface eth1 inet dhcp
  
   # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
   # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
   auto usb0
   iface usb0 inet static
 address 192.168.0.202
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 network 192.168.0.0
 gateway 192.168.0.200
 up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 /etc/resolv.conf
  
   # Bluetooth networking
   iface bnep0 inet dhcp
  
  
   /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant:
  --  ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
   ctrl_interface_group=0
   eapol_version=1
   ap_scan=1
   fast_reauth=0
  
   network={
ssid=PN
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_tx_keyidx=0
  
wep_key0=I'm not showing that!
priority=8
   }
  
  
   Now here's what I do:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup eth0
   sed: unrecognized option `--quiet'
   BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary
  
   Usage: sed [-efinr] pattern [files...]
  
   WPA: Configuring Interface
   ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
   ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
   ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
   ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
   udhcpc (v1.11.1) started
   run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
   Sending discover...
   Sending discover...
   Sending discover...
   No lease, failing
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
   lono wireless extensions.
  
   usb0  no wireless extensions.
  
   eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:PN
 Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point:
   00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51 Bit Rate=36 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3
 Retry:on
 Encryption key:897B-9067-4C99-1AC7-B433-AABB-01   Security
   mode:open Power Management:off
 Link Quality:180/94  Signal level:-171 dBm  Noise level:-96
   dBm Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0 Tx
   excessive retries:7  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:1
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
   eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E6:8D
 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX

Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?

2008-07-26 Thread Robert Schuster

Hi,
first. I am not from OpenMoko and cannot help directly but ...

tony schrieb:
 I live in Taipei.
 I was wondering if there was a simple and easy way to buy a freerunner here in
 taipei.
 There is no distributor so its not very simple.
 Can I just sort of drive up to the head office and go to a service counter 
 or
 something like that?
I want to encourage you and the other people from Taiwan to get into
contact with OpenMoko staff. Maybe write to Mickey Lauer, Sean
Moss-Pultz or Steve Mosher directly and tell them your problem. They
post messages to these lists, too.

Perhaps you could also open a bugzilla ticket. :)

Regards
Robert




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Re: Reply above Quotation

 to get involved in the discussion of top-posting, and I was actually

too late.

 shocked to see someone actually advocating top-posting.

too easy shocked, oviously.

  I have NEVER
 seen top-posting recommended.

that's no matter of recommendation (actually a lot of list admins consider  
the kind of reply-to the openmoko lusts do, evil and recommedn not to do  
so -- i was nerver able to follow their reasoning).

 TOP-POSTED [REPLIED ABOVE THE QUOTATION] for the benefit of Arne and
 those minds which somehow prefer this method, and who apparently have
 not found a nicely threaded free email reader like gmail.com  I'd send

it might come as a shock to you that i in fact have a nicely threaded mail  
reader -- and i am still in favour of top posting under certain  
circumstances. if you ever had read my reasoning you would maybe had  
understand that it was no matter of threading and mail reader.
the lis is full of weird and almost unreadably bottom postings with a very  
long streak of replied mails and one single new line several pages down ...

 you an invite to Gmail, but you just don't need them anymore.

the day i trust google with anything slighly looking as personal data i am  
ready to go to the funny farm.

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Re: device only powers up on its own

how long do you press the power button?

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Re: gpsd not in ASU repository?

2008-07-26 Thread Yorick Moko

How can I make Exposure use offline map data?

With Assassin I can install a few maps, but my home location is not
included (Tango GPS had an option to store and download maps).
It still needs tracking (trip, OSM mapping...) and information about
the amount of satellites, their strength, exact GPS positioning data
(usefull for geocaching)

ceterum censeo exposure is vaporware. It never starts...


On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Christopher White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's not necessary in ASU.

 I disagree - gpsd or somethin like it is required no matter which
 package you run on your FreeRunner.
 Why? So that several applications cn get the gps data at the same time.

 The Diversity app works without any gpsd.

 How? does it read directly from the tty?

 Enabled the GPS antenna using Exposure, then

 Ah. Exposure dosn't start here, not even after I upgraded my ASU image
 with opkg from
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/armv4t

 4. Configuration / Preferences?  TangoGPS seems to have a lot more
 options for things.

 Diversity lacks tracking, AFAICT.
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Re: device only powers up on its own

2008-07-26 Thread Gerald A

Hi Dimitri,

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Dimitri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 But, whenever I attempt to power it up, it refuses. Nothing happens. It
 won't power on.

 But, the instant I plug it in, via USB, it powers up on its own (without my
 pressing its power button.)

 Unless there's a magic trick to turning on the phone, it's DOA as far as
 I'm
 concerned. (I can't be expected to carry around a laptop, or a portable AC
 power generator, to turn on the phone.)


I'm not sure about the Freerunner, but on the 1973 you have to hold the
power button for a few seconds until it vibrates to power it on.

I've seen the USB connection powerup too, but that isn't the normal method
needed for powering on.

Hope that helps,
Gerald
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Re: device only powers up on its own

2008-07-26 Thread Dimitri


Thanks guys for responding so quickly. I didn't realize that I had to hold
down the power button for 5 seconds; I was only holding it down for maybe 3
seconds.

It boots up fine. Thanks again.
Dimitri

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Proper opkg config?

I'm trying to figure out how exactly to setup opkg conf files to keep up
to date with latest.

At first, I grabbed the conf files from Michael Sheldon:

 http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz 

This was a marked improvement.

Then later after a daily opkg update/upgrade stuff was not working and I
saw the messages about having a neo1973 kernel.  Indeed, that's what I
had and the effect was the I could not connect to T-Mobile.

Michael updated his conf files, I pulled another copy down, update and
upgrade and things looked better, I could make calls.

But other things didn't work now - like Exposure - which worked for a
brief 2 days for me, but now no longer launches again.  

So I tried another update and upgrade and things got really wonky.  opkg
failures, bad dependencies, etc.  

I tried to revert opkg conf files to the original ones, but that worked
even less.  

I just reflashed with the latest ASU rootfs (from 2008-07-22), rebooted,
update and upgrade gives lots of warnings (note this is with stock opkg
conf files from the 2008-07-22 rootfs).  I've attached the warnings at
the end of this message.

Basic Questions:

Any guidance on setting up conf files for keeping up to date with ASU?  

What's the relationship of all the different repositories?  (all,
armv4t, community-repository, om-gta02, neo1973, some variations with
daily)

Thanks
...cj

opkg upgrade warnings:

...
Configuring kernel-module-hci-usb
WARNING: Error inserting bluetooth
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/bluetooth.ko): Invalid module
format
Configuring kernel-module-hidp
WARNING: Error inserting bluetooth
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/bluetooth.ko): Invalid module
format
WARNING: Error inserting l2cap
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/l2cap.ko): Invalid module
format
Configuring kernel-module-l2cap
Configuring kernel-module-michael-mic
Configuring kernel-module-nls-utf8
Configuring kernel-module-ohci-hcd
Configuring kernel-module-ppp-async
Configuring kernel-module-ppp-deflate
Configuring kernel-module-ppp-generic
Configuring kernel-module-ppp-mppe
Configuring kernel-module-rfcomm
WARNING: Error inserting bluetooth
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/bluetooth.ko): Invalid module
format
WARNING: Error inserting l2cap
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/l2cap.ko): Invalid module
format
FATAL: Error inserting rfcomm
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/rfcomm/rfcomm.ko): Unknown
symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
Configuring kernel-module-sco
Configuring kernel-module-scsi-mod
Configuring kernel-module-sd-mod
Configuring kernel-module-slhc
Configuring kernel-module-snd
Configuring kernel-module-snd-mixer-oss
WARNING: Error inserting snd
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko): Unknown symbol in
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
FATAL: Error inserting snd_mixer_oss
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-mixer-oss.ko): Unknown
symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
Configuring kernel-module-snd-page-alloc
Configuring kernel-module-snd-pcm
Configuring kernel-module-snd-pcm-oss
WARNING: Error inserting snd
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko): Unknown symbol in
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_mixer_oss
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-mixer-oss.ko): Unknown
symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_page_alloc
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd-page-alloc.ko): Unknown
symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_timer
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd-timer.ko): Unknown symbol in
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_pcm
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd-pcm.ko): Unknown symbol in
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
FATAL: Error inserting snd_pcm_oss
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-pcm-oss.ko): Unknown
symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
Configuring kernel-module-snd-soc-core
Configuring kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753
WARNING: Error inserting snd
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko): Unknown symbol in
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_page_alloc
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd-page-alloc.ko): Unknown
symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_timer
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd-timer.ko): Unknown symbol in
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_pcm
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/core/snd-pcm.ko): Unknown symbol in
module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_soc_core
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/snd-soc-core.ko): Unknown symbol
in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_soc_wm8753
(/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/sound/soc/codecs/snd-soc-wm8753.ko): Invalid
module format
WARNING: Error inserting

Re: The GTAs

2008-07-26 Thread Marko Knöbl

2008/7/25 Corey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Ok.  Now that the FreeRunner is out, I'd like to discuss the GTA03 and
 04. I've been listening to this list for quite some time, and have
 jotted down a few things about the upcoming models.

 Please make sure I have all of this correct.  And if its correct, is it
 all on the Wiki? I can't find mention. thank you. ^-^

 GTA03
 Removed Glamo
 3.5mm audio jack(maybe with some of Joerg's Ideas about stereo line-in)
 based on existing 2442 arm v4 samsung soc
 camera
 different case design than 1973/freerunner
 vga screen
 different battery
 different GSM modem.  (I think 2G/EGDE)
 USB2.0-OTG


 GTA04
 USB2.0 will be here at the earliest
 different GSM chip than FreeRunner
 I heard something about the samsung 6400 soc. more powerful 2d
 acceleration than Glamo.
 3D?

 oh, and GTA03 != Dash Express, right?  a little confusion on that...
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according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko  GTA04 will likely
have 3G support as well. Is that correct?

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Re: Proper opkg config?

 from a brief glance your current errors seem to be caused by an error in  
building the kernel/modules packages.
could you please check which infos the kernel (uname -a) and the module  
(modinfo bluetooth) reveal?

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Re: Proper opkg config?

On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 20:12 +0200, arne anka wrote:
  from a brief glance your current errors seem to be caused by an error in  
 building the kernel/modules packages.
 could you please check which infos the kernel (uname -a) and the module  
 (modinfo bluetooth) reveal?

Thanks for taking a look arne, here's the info you requested, along with
opkg info for the kernel:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 26 01:11:56 CEST 2008 armv4tl
unknown

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# modinfo bluetooth
filename:   /lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/bluetooth.ko
alias:  net-pf-31
license:GPL
version:2.11
description:Bluetooth Core ver 2.11
author: Maxim Krasnyansky [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Holtmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
srcversion: 2290950ACDE6995F60C7C36
depends:
vermagic:   2.6.24 preempt mod_unload ARMv4 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg info kernel
Package: kernel
Version: 2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0
Depends: kernel-2.6.24
Status: install user installed
Section: kernel
Architecture: om-gta02
maintainer: Angstrom Developers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD5Sum: d7005ba6a6e5ca895ae73f0fa580a9fd
Size: 938
Filename: kernel_2.6.24+git25
+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0_om-gta02.ipk
Source: git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git;protocol=git;branch=stable
file://0001-squashfs-with-lzma.patch;patch=1
file://0002-squashfs-initrd.patch;patch=1
file://0003-squashfs-force-O2.patch;patch=1
file://0004-squashfs-Kconfig.patch;patch=1
file://0005-squashfs-Makefile.patch;patch=1
Description: Linux 2.6.x (development) kernel for FIC SmartPhones
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Timezone problems

I'm having trouble setting the timezone on my phone running ASU.  I set
the time/date via the command line (date -s) and that works fine.

Next, I link /etc/localtime:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York 
/etc/localtime

But date still show UTC time:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# date
  Sat Jul 26 18:29:37 UTC 2008

As does the phone toolbar and the clock application.  Trying Set Time
from Clock even shows New York as the current timezone.

Is this a known issue?

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Re: Proper opkg config?

hm, i tried
modprobe bluetooth
myself and end up with the same message.
firstly, i would expect the arch names of booth the kernel (armv4tl) and  
the module (ARMv4) to match, but i am nor sure if i am right.
a short survey indicates that soemthing goes wrong when building the  
kernel.

second thought:
i experience this with qtopia on an sd card and the kernel from teh  
rottimage was smaller than the bin distributed along with the rott-image.
with 2007.2 and the kernel from last monday there is no problem with  
loading modules.

- how did you install? really flashing to the fr or on sd card?
- where's your kernel?
- do the kernel and the modules have the same hash in their respective  
package names?

my 2007.2 says, i did not reboot to qtopia on sd card -- it has no opkg  
nor packagemanagement afaik, but asu has.

opkg search /boot/uImage-2.6.24
kernel-image-2.6.24 -  
2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0 -  
/boot/uImage-2.6.24

opkg search /lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/bluetooth.ko
kernel-module-bluetooth -  
2:2.6.24+git25+8533927964761f4e2078ccd8607b90f5acc60b93-r0 -  
/lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/net/bluetooth/bluetooth.ko

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Re: Timezone problems

did you reboot?
else try date -s ... and after that hwclock --systohc.
my fr w/ 2007.2 has the right timezone (Berlin, CEST) but insists on using  
utc apparently because the time of the fr is 2 hours back, no matter if i  
sync with ntpdate or not.

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Re: 'hwclock' not working? (ASU)

On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 22:56 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
  I'm running ASU on my FR.
  
  It seems that something is broken or missing for the 'hwclock' command to 
  work:
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hwclock --systohc
  hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory

 quick fix is to run
 mkdir /dev/misc
 ln -s /dev/rtc /dev/misc/rtc

I ran into the same issue.  After running the above link, I also had to
stop the atd daemon which had /dev/rtc0 open:

# opkg install lsof
# lsof | grep rtc
atd   1334   root3r   CHR  254,0
1304 /dev/rtc0
# /etc/init.d/atd stop
# /etc/init.d/atd stop
Stopping at daemon: atd.
# hwclock --systohc
# /etc/init.d/atd start
Starting at daemon: atd.

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Re: Qtopia questions

2008-07-26 Thread Lorn Potter

Holger Freyther wrote:
 On Saturday 26 July 2008 07:47:14 Lorn Potter wrote:
 
 I have been told, a lot of them seem to be I don't like the way you do
 this, my way is better, or 'code clean-ups', or such that do not fix
 any real bugs at all, or are specific to the Neo, and not taking into
 consideration that many other (buggy) devices have to remain working.
 
 Not quite true, some examples:
   - ThemedView changes and speed up's should apply to Qtopia

applied to 4.4 at least. If it didn't manage to get 4.3, I can look into 
it. Our attention is on 4.4


   - Various fixes to CallScreen (see our bugtracker).
   - If you showed the keypad, remote hang up, make a call...
havent seen this.

   - Display one call as Hold, Connected and Dialing at the 
 same time 
 (Menu, Buttons, Display)
havent seen this one either

   - many more such things...
    many more. So from the ~360 patches about 5 of them make things 
 harder 
 for other people.
 
 My approach:
   - I do clean up the incosistent usage of 1, 3, 4 spaces mixed with tabs 
 and 
 placing braces and #ifdef's randomly. If you write code like that you want to 
 hide something and the reason I have to touch this code is because there is 
 something hiding.

We don't take patches for 'code cleanups'. There's a reason for this. 
Customers get patches, and they don't like unnecessary lines of code 
being changed. It can make it difficult to see what the real changes are.

   - I create the most simple patch for the issue as possible. One patch 
 one 
 issue. Obviously sometimes I don't understand the consequences of my change 
 as the whole code is so fragile.
   - I care little about BC, if I need to add a parameter to a method I do 
 so, 
 the commit messages state so though.

well, we do. or try to. Especially in a .x release mode.

 
 Example:
   - Plain Qtopia is starting timers to guess when a call was missed, when 
 all 
 the data of an incoming call is present (combining RING, CRING and other 
 notifications). This creates all funny kind of bugs as this guessing is mixed 
 with %CPI. So Qtopia thinks the call was missed, but you get a %CPI and 
 suddenly we report a new call. And you see Disconnected and Incoming in 
 the callscreen.

The reason for this, is because some modems that we have to deal with do 
not work correctly without this. The calypso does not exhibit this 
behavior, but it needs to be left in.


 
   - So I decided to solely rely on %CPI information for our code. One way 
 would 
 have been to just remove the timers from the libraries and be happy. If I did 
 so you could have claimed that I don't think about other devices. So as I 
 care about the consequences for other devices where timers might be needed I 
 added methods to make starting of timers optional. So just because some 
 modems are worse than the TI Calypso you shouldn't punish modems that are 
 better 

So our customers buggy modems are just supposed to not work?


And again I fix this kind of things because it failed in reality..
 not because I have fun thinking about all the possible race conditions 
 available in the Qtopia source.
 
   - I think the approach and implementation is reasonable. If you don't 
 think 
 so open up and start discussing it.

we do internally. we can't discuss this publicly because it involves 
customers that do not want to be open/discussed or have their 
competitors know what they are doing/what hardware/software bugs they 
are seeing.

 
 
 
 We have implemented some of his patches. I personally have done a few of
 them, some after having to patch the patch.
 
 Please communicate... I get zero feedback on changes. The patch might have 
 been seen, the patch might have been integrated... the patch might have been 
 fixed differently is not the way to go if you want to interact with the 
 OpenSource and FreeSoftware community.

The themedview patch needed some ifdef taken out. I think there were others.

 
 
 As well, we have been working on getting 4.4 ready to release. There are
 quite a few changes in 4.4, and quite a few have to be manually
 integrated and such.
 
 well, release Qtopia4.4 beta's rsync. I can see the upcoming Qt 4.5 code 
 today 
 as well, so what is keeping you from releasing Qtopia4.4 snapshot code today?

All I can say is that there is some discussion over this (always has 
been), and there is agreement down here over certain things.


You have to realize too, that Qtopia is not a finished end product. It 
is a starting point for our customers, and that is how they use it. They 
do not take the code, whip up a device config and ship it. They 
customize the heck out of it. The Philips devices that ran Qtopia 2 you 
would not even know it is Qtopia, except for little clues. There is a 
certain Qtopia 4 gps/phone that you would hardly know it's Qtopia/Linux 
as well.




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Re: Proper opkg config?

an idea crossed my mind: did you reboot after upgrade?
might be that some crazy postinst scripts or a zealous udev try to load  
the new modules with the old kernel (though it's the same minor version,  
so i might be entirely wrong here).

btw: for those questions the support-list might be the appropriate place.

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Re: Timezone problems

On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 20:53 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 did you reboot?

Doh!  That took care of it...I thought /etc/localtime was an immediate
thing, thanks.

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Re: Timezone problems

 Doh!  That took care of it...I thought /etc/localtime was an immediate
 thing, thanks.

well, it is _set_, so you need tro set it after changes.
/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh start
might have done the trick

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Re: Now that you have your phone, what are you doing?

 Just wondering those of you who have the device already, what are  
 you doing with your new device?



Developing for it.  I've got mine set up with the 2007.2 image, I  
haven't re-flashed it once personally, just opkg upgraded myself  
along, and I got it set up with at least the functions I need - phone,  
GPS, and compiling.  ;)

That said, I would *love* to know of the tricky/nice/interesting  
things that people are managing to do with their Freerunners .. while  
I've got a game (swar) and some tutorial/test code (bling) on the  
development workbench for the Freerunner right now, I sure would like  
to know what else I can do with this cool little device for fun?

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Re: Now that you have your phone, what are you doing?

 1. there is a universe of unconnected contributions (ie I packaged  
 smth
 which is not in the official repository,

what official repository (which Freerunner distro is that, anyway),  
and how do i put something in it? as a new app developer for  
Freerunner, i have to say: the flow of the public repo's is not clear.
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Re: GPS success: updated default software stack with no antenna

 Am Do  24. Juli 2008 schrieb Jay Vaughan:
 Successfully tracked and mapped my daily commute!
 Me too, daily, twice a day since Monday ..
 Wooohoo!!!
 Finally!


yeah, finally indeed .. alas the neo1973 does a better job, every  
single time, than the freerunner .. i have tangogps set up on both, to  
the max (17) zoom-in level because i like to watch the streets scroll  
by, and with the neo1973 its always smooth and accurate, but with the  
freerunner, during map-tile changes requiring new rendering, my GPS  
accuracy is whack!  terrible!  apparently, sometimes, i manage to  
cross to the *other side of vienna* whenever i edge closer to the side  
of the screen and tangogps has to auto-center (reload new tiles, hint,  
from the *SD*) to keep up with my driving.

still, its better than nothing.  as long as i don't zoom in too much,  
GPS on Freerunner is usable.


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Re: The GTAs

2008-07-26 Thread Joerg Reisenweber

Am So  27. Juli 2008 schrieb Marko Knöbl:
 according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko  GTA04 will likely
 have 3G support as well. Is that correct?
nope
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Re: device only powers up on its own

2008-07-26 Thread David Pottage

Dimitri wrote:
 Thanks guys for responding so quickly. I didn't realize that I had to hold
 down the power button for 5 seconds; I was only holding it down for maybe 3
 seconds.
   
Alternatively, you can hold down the AUX button while you press the 
power button to bring up the boot menu. That way you only have to hold 
down the power button for a much shorter time.


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Re: power management/wakeups with qtopia vs 2007.2

2008-07-26 Thread Ole Kliemann

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 04:54:16PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
 yesterday in installed qtopia to an sd card to check it out, tried the  
 phone (worked) and went to bed.
 the 2007.2 uses to resume frequently w/o any apparent reason -- as far as  
 i can tell the qtopia does not.
 yet, it responses to incoming calls and resumes.

I can confirm this. Still there are issues too. Sometimes after long
suspend the display is all white. Sometimes the picture comes back after
~20secs, sometimes not.

And if suspended for long, SMS don't wake it up.

But in fact Qtopia makes the FR very well usable even on a long day
without charger. A night on suspend drains maybe 20% of the battery.

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Re: Application list scrolling

2008-07-26 Thread Hans L

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Charles-Henri Gros
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I scroll the application list (on 2007.2), it keeps going for a
 while, very slowly slowing down until it comes to a stop. This makes it
 very difficult to hit the applications in the middle of the menu. Is
 there a way to configure this so that e.g. it stops faster?

I'd also be interested in knowing if there's a config file for this
application menu.  In addition to the problem Charles brought up, I
think it is too sensitive to dragging, which also makes it difficult
to open applications.  Instead of registering a click to open, it
thinks I'm trying to drag.  I think this problem is worse when using a
finger as opposed to stylus.

Would be nice if there was a larger dead zone of a where the click
does not count as a drag until you reach some threshold of movement
away from the initial click position.

-Hans

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Re: GPS success: updated default software stack with no antenna

2008-07-26 Thread Yogiz


 yeah, finally indeed .. alas the neo1973 does a better job, every  
 single time, than the freerunner .. i have tangogps set up on both,
 to the max (17) zoom-in level because i like to watch the streets
 scroll by, and with the neo1973 its always smooth and accurate, but
 with the freerunner, during map-tile changes requiring new rendering,
 my GPS accuracy is whack!  terrible!  apparently, sometimes, i manage
 to cross to the *other side of vienna* whenever i edge closer to the
 side of the screen and tangogps has to auto-center (reload new tiles,
 hint, from the *SD*) to keep up with my driving.
Hmm, I wonder if the suggested hardware fix solves this problem
completely or just reduces it.

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Re: The GTAs

2008-07-26 Thread robert lazarski

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am So  27. Juli 2008 schrieb Marko Knöbl:
 according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko  GTA04 will likely
 have 3G support as well. Is that correct?
 nope
 /j


Is no 3g motived by hardware limitations , licensing problems, or a
decision from the silent and mysterious design department ?

RANT
I'm not a developer ATM machine, ie, I won't keep buying these devices
and developing on them if they never will have competetive hardware. I
Already bought the Freerunner thinking the hardware on a future device
will someday catch up to the current proprietary market. Now I
realized that is not going to happen. I can't figure out the
evolution, not revolution purpose of the GT03 , and now that GT04
won't have 3G , it makes me wonder who are going to buy these things.
My pockets and patience are not endless.
/RANT

- R

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Re: 'hwclock' not working? (ASU)

On Saturday 26 July 2008 20:55:15 Christopher White wrote:

 I ran into the same issue.  After running the above link, I also had to
 stop the atd daemon which had /dev/rtc0 open:

 # opkg install lsof
 # lsof | grep rtc
 atd   1334   root3r   CHR  254,0
 1304 /dev/rtc0
 # /etc/init.d/atd stop
 # /etc/init.d/atd stop
 Stopping at daemon: atd.
 # hwclock --systohc
 # /etc/init.d/atd start
 Starting at daemon: atd.


We run atd on the ASU image on purpose. It allows to schedule any kind of 
alarms and will program the RTC for wakeup automatically. If you want atd to 
write the current time into the rtc then you have to write W\n 
into /var/spool/at/trigger.

But on the other hand we provide a GUI application to set the Timezone and the 
Time and they work :)

z.

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Re: The GTAs

 Is no 3g motived by hardware limitations , licensing problems, or a
 decision from the silent and mysterious design department ?

this has been discussed extensively only a few weeks ago.
please, do us all a favour and check the archives before bringing up  
questions that are apparently obvious.
the more obvious a question is the more likely has it already been  
answered.

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Re: Timezone problems

On Saturday 26 July 2008 20:38:14 Christopher White wrote:
 I'm having trouble setting the timezone on my phone running ASU.  I set
 the time/date via the command line (date -s) and that works fine.

 Next, I link /etc/localtime:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York
 /etc/localtime

 But date still show UTC time:

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# date
   Sat Jul 26 18:29:37 UTC 2008

 As does the phone toolbar and the clock application.  Trying Set Time
 from Clock even shows New York as the current timezone.

Not known, IIRC it is part of the tests QA is doing and I just tested it as 
well. The systemtime application of Qtopia (and the server providing the 
implementation) will do the following.

It will copy the Timezone file to /etc/localtime
It will write /etc/timezone
It will ask atd (if it is running) to write the time


I tested it with setting the Timezone to New York and then to Tokyo. What you 
can test is that your link is valid, and if glibc does like the link, e.g. 
start copying things over as well. But then again you can ask Qtopia using 
qcop to write the timezone and new time for you

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# md5sum /etc/localtime /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York 
e4ca381035a34b7a852184cc0dd89baa  /etc/localtime
e4ca381035a34b7a852184cc0dd89baa  /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/timezone 
America/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# date
Sat Jul 26 10:31:30 EDT 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /opt/Qtopia/bin/systemtime 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# md5sum /etc/localtime /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Tokyo 
f17769e8eb35e7a08cfedfe9b2f6b5ef  /etc/localtime
f17769e8eb35e7a08cfedfe9b2f6b5ef  /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Tokyo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/timezone 
Asia/[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# date
Sat Jul 26 23:32:16 JST 2008


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Re: The GTAs

2008-07-26 Thread Joerg Reisenweber

Am So  27. Juli 2008 schrieb robert lazarski:
 On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Am So  27. Juli 2008 schrieb Marko Knöbl:
  according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko  GTA04 will likely
  have 3G support as well. Is that correct?
  nope
  /j
 
 
 Is no 3g motived by hardware limitations , licensing problems, or a
 decision from the silent and mysterious design department ?
 
 RANT
 I'm not a developer ATM machine, ie, I won't keep buying these devices
 and developing on them if they never will have competetive hardware. I
 Already bought the Freerunner thinking the hardware on a future device
 will someday catch up to the current proprietary market. Now I
 realized that is not going to happen. I can't figure out the
 evolution, not revolution purpose of the GT03 , and now that GT04
 won't have 3G , it makes me wonder who are going to buy these things.
 My pockets and patience are not endless.
 /RANT

Sorry my fault. GTA04 is completely unclear yet.
I read GTA03, where in fact you asked for 04.
Nevermind.
/j


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Re: Proper opkg config?

On Saturday 26 July 2008 19:53:36 Christopher White wrote:

 But other things didn't work now - like Exposure - which worked for a
 brief 2 days for me, but now no longer launches again.

This part is known. We had an EFL upgrade that broke the python bindings. The 
result is that the python process will segfault... the fix is already in EFL 
and packages should appear on monday. To work around you might want to revert 
libecore and python-ecore...

sorry, I didn't carefully test that the EFL upgrade was sane at 4 am in the 
morning... it is always a challenge what and when to include things in the 
stable branch (as fast as possible would be the wish...)

z.

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Re: Qtopia questions

2008-07-26 Thread Lorn Potter

Holger Freyther wrote:
 On Saturday 26 July 2008 20:58:26 Lorn Potter wrote:
 
 
 My approach:
 - I do clean up the incosistent usage of 1, 3, 4 spaces mixed with tabs
 and placing braces and #ifdef's randomly. If you write code like that you
 want to hide something and the reason I have to touch this code is
 because there is something hiding.
 We don't take patches for 'code cleanups'. There's a reason for this.
 Customers get patches, and they don't like unnecessary lines of code
 being changed. It can make it difficult to see what the real changes are.
 
 You should write clean code from the start. At WebKit.org we have clear 
 Coding 
 Style Guidelines and most of it is enforced by review and pre-commit scripts. 
 Maybe adopting such things for Qtopia would make sense?

I wish you would stop using the word 'you' when you mean Trolltech. 
'You' makes it seem like it is personal to me. I only work on one small 
part of Qtopia, and direct people to view your commit log.

Maybe webkit.org isn't in the same position as us.

Perhaps you should stop caring if the code has differing white spaces 
and get on with the real bugs.


 - I care little about BC, if I need to add a parameter to a method I do
 so, the commit messages state so though.
 well, we do. or try to. Especially in a .x release mode.
 
 Sure. this is why I write this into the commit message...

and why we do not like to commit code that breaks it.

 Example:
 
 - So I decided to solely rely on %CPI information for our code. One way
 would have been to just remove the timers from the libraries and be
 happy. If I did so you could have claimed that I don't think about other
 devices. So as I care about the consequences for other devices where
 timers might be needed I added methods to make starting of timers
 optional. So just because some modems are worse than the TI Calypso you
 shouldn't punish modems that are better
 So our customers buggy modems are just supposed to not work?
 
 Please reread the paragraph. As I said I made starting of timers optional. So 
 what is the default? Default is still the old and error prone (from my point 
 of view and every OpenSource/FreeSoftware engineer I have talked to) 
 behaviour.

It's a fine line between whats right, what's correct, and what's reality.

 First of all I doubt that you need to start any timers to guess when 
 something 
 is done. CLCC should always work (if %CPI or such vendor extensions do not 
 exist). So instead of guessing when a call might or might not be missed, when 
 all information arrived one could start your missed timer and then check the 
 state of the call... So I think the buggy modem is just an excuse for 
 writing fragile software.

This is what I was told by the lead comms guy. He has many real world 
years experience (including large projects with large amounts of 
engineers such as Qtopia) as a software developer, including open source 
and I take his word for it.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/pnet/


 
 Basing everything on timers is IMO stupid but race free. You will present 
 something consistent (but slightly wrong) to the user.
 
 Basing everything on %CPI is the right thing to do (if it is provided and 
 reliable). You will present something consistent to the user.
 
 Mixing both will create funny and all sort of race conditions. You get a %CPI 
 shortly after one of your timers fired... 
 
 So with the patches I created you are able to disable the timer guessing 
 completely. This fixed at least five different bugs QA reported. I left the 
 default to be broken to keep your customers happy.
 
 
 Another funny race comes from the fact when a %CPI arrvies after sending a 
 wakeup command and QAtChat just ignores these... E.g. the approach mickeyl 
 has taken for FSO is to send a command that will never echo/print something 
 so you don't need to throw away stuff from the modem in a certain window... a 
 much saner approach to the same problem.
 
 
 And really you should not guess. If you send ATA to a modem it might fail. 
 Just because you are going to queue the ATA does not mean that your call is 
 connected. One has to wait for the response of the modem and can do the state 
 transition after one knows which state the modem is in. Anything else is by 
 any engineering standard error prone and just asking for random failures. A 
 modem is a separate system, it runs software too, you should not guess about 
 the internal state of this unknown modem firmware. You _have_ to wait for the 
 modem to tell you the result of a command. So these class of issues with the 
 code is not about style it is about engineering practices to create reliable 
 software.
 
 
 

 And again I fix this kind of things because it failed in reality..

 not because I have fun thinking about all the possible race conditions
 available in the Qtopia source.

 - I think the approach and implementation is reasonable. If you don't
 think so open up and start discussing it.

Re: SMS

2008-07-26 Thread Charles-Henri Gros

stef wrote:
 hello,
 i've got my freerunner since thursday and it works quite fine except the
 SMS applet.
 At first I could open the applet and send messages but now it fails.
 When I try to start the
 applet it seems to be loading but it stops after a while. Is there any
 way to fix it or to reinstall
 the applet??

I've had the same problem when I had a null contact in my contact
list. See if you have this (It can happen when you try to add a contact
but then give up, and maybe other situations)


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Re: The GTAs

2008-07-26 Thread robert lazarski

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am So  27. Juli 2008 schrieb robert lazarski:
 On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Am So  27. Juli 2008 schrieb Marko Knöbl:
  according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko  GTA04 will likely
  have 3G support as well. Is that correct?
  nope
  /j
 

 Sorry my fault. GTA04 is completely unclear yet.
 I read GTA03, where in fact you asked for 04.
 Nevermind.
 /j


Ah, thanks for claryfying. .

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Re: SMS

2008-07-26 Thread David Pottage

On Saturday 26 July 2008 07:53:01 stef wrote:
 hello,
 i've got my freerunner since thursday and it works quite fine except the
 SMS applet.
 At first I could open the applet and send messages but now it fails. When I
 try to start the
 applet it seems to be loading but it stops after a while. Is there any way
 to fix it or to reinstall
 the applet??

The SMS applet on my phone is doing the same.

If I try to start it from the command line. I get 4 coppies of the error 
message:

Gtk-WARNING **:gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with 
width -11 and height -11

and a Segmentation fault.

I imported about 400 contacts using the one of the scripts on the Wiki page 
about VCF contacts (1), and considering the number it is likely that some are 
null, so I deleted them all using another script on that page and the SMS 
applet started working again.

(1): http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/remove_all_contacts


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Re: SMS

2008-07-26 Thread David Pottage

On Saturday 26 July 2008 22:15:54 David Pottage wrote:

 The SMS applet on my phone is doing the same.

 If I try to start it from the command line. I get 4 coppies of the error
 message:

 Gtk-WARNING **:gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with
 width -11 and height -11

I have just started messages again with the address book fixed, and I still 
get those warnings. I guess they have nothing to do with this bug, they are 
just random unfixed warnings.

Grrr!

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Re: 'hwclock' not working? (ASU)

On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 22:33 +0200, Holger Freyther wrote:
 On Saturday 26 July 2008 20:55:15 Christopher White wrote:
 
  I ran into the same issue.  After running the above link, I also had to
  stop the atd daemon which had /dev/rtc0 open:

 We run atd on the ASU image on purpose. It allows to schedule any kind of 
 alarms and will program the RTC for wakeup automatically. If you want atd to 
 write the current time into the rtc then you have to write W\n 
 into /var/spool/at/trigger.
 
 But on the other hand we provide a GUI application to set the Timezone and 
 the 
 Time and they work :)

Well...I was baffled by setting the time from this.  I modified the
hour, clicked Back and it skipped forward several hours.  Went back
and forth trying to figure out what I was missing.  

I suspect it was because I had changed the Timezone but not rebooted yet
so I was in the limbo of /etc/localtime saying EDT, but date still
reporting UTC.  It now seems to work correctly, but this might need to
be looked at.  Next time I reflash, I'll try it again and see if I can't
better figure out the issue.

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Re: Terminal for ASU

2008-07-26 Thread Jim Morris

Jay Vaughan wrote:

 I'm with you on that, it seems like its just too late to be doing ASU, 
 this should've been sorted out months ago, before hardware was actually 
 shipping to customer (hacker and non- alike), so for me I'm sticking 
 with the godamn ugly 2007.2 for now, simply because its what the phone 
 came with: and thats the point.  ASU is too little, too late.
 

Try Qtopia, its more what I expected a phone like this to look like, and it 
mostly works.


-- 
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Re: Terminal for ASU

 Anyway enough whining :) I'll look at ASU again in 2 months and see  
 if this design team has gotten
 its act together and has started listening to its customers (ie us).


I'm with you on that, it seems like its just too late to be doing ASU,  
this should've been sorted out months ago, before hardware was  
actually shipping to customer (hacker and non- alike), so for me I'm  
sticking with the godamn ugly 2007.2 for now, simply because its what  
the phone came with: and thats the point.  ASU is too little, too late.

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Re: NeoFreerunner and MacOSX?

 Is there a difference in perfomance with connecting it with OSX  
 contra
 connecting it with a Linux-dist?  Just curious.

 I find the osx usb driver to be quite flaky.  I think I have 10.4.  I
 regularly have to reboot my macbook now, where as I used to go months
 between reboots.


I'm using the AJZaurusUSB on Leopard (10.5.4) and I find that I have  
to make *sure* that I manually administer the device in order for my  
system to maintain stability - i.e., when I want to reboot the  
Freerunner, or disconnect it from the USB cable, I must make sure that  
1) Internet Sharing is off for the USB ethernet device of the  
Freerunner, and 2) the network device is removed from the Net Pref  
list, manually as well.

If I do not do both of these things before disconnecting the  
Freerunner, I have to reboot my machine to use the Freerunner again -  
either I don't get a network connection subsequently, or worse: my  
system hangs hard.  If I do these things myself before disconnecting/ 
rebooting the Freerunner, then things go smoothly ..

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Re: GPS success: updated default software stack with no antenna

2008-07-26 Thread Scott Derrick

Sounds like both fixes are needed for optimal GPS reception.

Would be nice to see two fr's side by side, both with the software fix,
and one with the cap added competing with each other.

Scott


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Re: Volume?

2008-07-26 Thread Bastian Muck

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Aaron Sowry schrieb:
| Timo Jyrinki wrote:
| 2008/7/24 Aaron Sowry [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
|   
| I would also like a solution to the echo that people hear when calling
| the phone - anyone found a fix for this?
| 
| I've not seen any post about having the echo fixed. It seems the
| discussion always stops at that point, or goes to another direction
| like about the mic volumes etc., which would sound like no-one has
| figured how to fix the echo issues.
|
| (not everyone has those, apparently depending on whether operator is
| also doing some echo cancellation, but a very large amount of Neo
| users do have the issues)
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| Right - perhaps something to add to the list of hardware issues?
|
| Everyone I have spoken to using the GTA02 handset has mentioned large
| amounts of echo when calling to/from another cellphone, landlines don't
| seem to exhibit the same behaviour in my experience. Disappointing, as
| it limits the device's usefulness as a phone which is a reasonably core
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If you got the right values, then there is no problem. In the default 
config /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state the capturing volume is to 
low, so the other side can hardly hear you. If you raise this value too 
much, than the neo produces a lot echo on the other side. But my 
experience was, that with the right value there is no problem.

Look for:
control.5 {
~comment.access 'read write'
~comment.type INTEGER
~comment.count 1
~comment.range '0 - 127'
~iface MIXER
~name 'Mono Playback Volume'
~value 103
}

and change the value from 103 to 109. In my oppinion this is a very 
good value. Check it.

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Re: Timezone problems

2008-07-26 Thread michael irons

When I try:

hwclock --systohc

I get:


hwclock: can't open '/dev/misc/rtc': No such file or directory

On the ASU/openmoko-qtopia images. I have set my repository to point
to the openmoko.downloads for ASU

On the 2007.2/default Freerunner image, the hwclock command works fine.

Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

Mike

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Re: SMS

2008-07-26 Thread Pawel Kowalak


On 2008-07-26, at 23:20, David Pottage wrote:

 On Saturday 26 July 2008 22:15:54 David Pottage wrote:

 The SMS applet on my phone is doing the same.

 If I try to start it from the command line. I get 4 coppies of the  
 error
 message:

 Gtk-WARNING **:gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate  
 widget with
 width -11 and height -11

 I have just started messages again with the address book fixed, and  
 I still
 get those warnings. I guess they have nothing to do with this bug,  
 they are
 just random unfixed warnings.

Messages can crash if you have (null) contact in address book, or some  
contact with
localised chars (specific for your language).


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Re: NeoFreerunner and MacOSX?

2008-07-26 Thread Pawel Kowalak

On 2008-07-26, at 21:26, Jay Vaughan wrote:
 [...]when I want to reboot the
 Freerunner, or disconnect it from the USB cable, I must make sure that
 1) Internet Sharing is off for the USB ethernet device of the
 Freerunner, and 2) the network device is removed from the Net Pref
 list, manually as well.

Thanks for this hint. I had the same problems.


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Re: Volume?

2008/7/27 Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 If you got the right values, then there is no problem. In the default
 config /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state the capturing volume is to
 low, so the other side can hardly hear you. If you raise this value too
 much, than the neo produces a lot echo on the other side. But my
 experience was, that with the right value there is no problem.

Yep. The discussion about this was active on the support mailing list
now, under title Buzzing on GSM audio, with similar results. See
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-July/000573.html.
Wiki was also updated to link to that thread.

-Timo

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Re: Howto compile more kernel modules with MokoMakefile?

2008-07-26 Thread Brad Midgley

Alexander

Check the modules tarball. It's released with firmware images. I used
it for the modules I needed for a few usb devices.

Brad

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Alexander Syring
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi
 I want to compile the USB GADGED STORAGE module for the kernel how I have to
 do this?

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

2008-07-26 Thread vale


i had the same problem here, with sandisk 8gb sdhc class 4 using ext2
partition. partition table was completley deleted :(

hope this gets fixed soon.
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Re: Timezone problems