Re: Substitute batteries

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Shiloh


Joel Newkirk wrote:
 On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:49:05 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Joel Newkirk wrote:
 My guess is that it incorporates some constants that depend on the
 actual
 battery pack.  Note that I don't actually KNOW that it's in the battery,
 but previous ML posts by folks at Openmoko refer to it as 'in the
 battery',
 and with a bl-5c installed almost all battery-related entries in sysfs
 are
 unpopulated.
 This is to confirm that the coulomb counter is in the battery pack. Why?
 Because it stores the count, and if you swap batteries, you need to know
 the count for the battery in the device, not for the one you removed.
 
 Makes perfect sense. Is it a custom IC, something off-the-shelf, or what? 

That I don't know. Joerg, any reason we don't open source this 
schematic, since we did all of GTA02?



 Could it be cheaply retrofitted by a hobbyist into a BL-5c clone battery? 

There is the space issue of course.


 I'm quite happy to crack one open, just not my Openmoko battery... ;)  
 
 Barring the workability of that idea, I'm hoping we can adapt the battery
 management/monitoring software to fallback to the 'dumb cellphone' approach
 and let us safely charge, and have some idea of remaining capacity of,
 non-Openmoko batteries if it detects a battery present without the coulomb
 counter circuit.

Yes, this should be done in any case, so that a dumb battery can 
always be used.


 
 j
  
 j

 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:13:00 -0400, Charles Pax
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OK, I have a few Nokia batteries laying around, BL-5c and BL-6c, and
 desktop chargers.  They power the Freerunner fine, and seem to charge
 when
 they're in the FR plugged in.  But the Freerunner doesn't know what to
 do
 with them apart from that, presumably since they lack the Openmoko
 coulomb
 counter circuit.
 The coulomb counter circuitry is in the battery? Why isn't this on the
 board
 itself?

 -Charles

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Re: Tester please?

2008-08-21 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk and let me know of any

Hmm, how do I build this from source?


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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-21 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 setup - so use x-ui.sh in the illume svn dir (it runs xephyr for you, sets up
 some modmappings for qtopia - not interesting on a desktop unless you have a
 desktop x86 build of the qtopia x11 port, and it runs e with the illume
 profile).

Thanks. With x-ui.sh I get an error which I don't seem to be able to
copypaste. Screenshot is at

http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/illume-issue1.png

The module in question is in

/home/lindi/installdir/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/linux-gnu-i686/module.so

so I probably need to figure out how to configure E to find it there?

 as for accessing keyboard. even if you have the manual button, it will be
 disabled.. if you have a usb keyboard plugged in (yes! that code in illume 
 that
 detects a physical keyboard like bluetooth and/or usb keyboards plugged in) is
 working! :)

 luckily for you... there is a config file for that.
 you need to put a file in ~/.e/e/keyboards for your desktop to work around 
 it's
 default setup as to what input devices to ignore (eg ignore build in 
 keyboard
 interfaces that dont actually provide a real keyboard):

  9:42AM ~/.e/e/keyboards  cat ignore_built_in_keyboards 
 /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/*

 so just make a file that has that. you'll notice illume ships with one for the
 system that is:

  9:43AM ~ 
 cat 
 /usr/local/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ignore_built_in_keyboards
  /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_*

 so this ignores things like ps/2 and at keyboards, but usb keyboards are
 removable device style keyboards and thus disable the vkbd :)

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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

2008-08-21 Thread Florian Hackenberger
On Monday 18 August 2008, Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
 gdk_window_begin_paint_region
 gdk_window_end_paint
 It's funny, I did the opposite of what you did while working on my
 own version of tangoGPS, because I didn't like the white rectangles
 around. I'm afraid that using that method will negate any of your
 speed gains though.

Thanks for identifying the relevant methods. I modified my patch and 
updated the ipk files on my server. I could not identify any negative 
impact on speed though. It seems to work just fine, panning feels a lot 
smoother compared to the previous version.

Cheers,
Florian

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Index: navit/navit/graphics/qt_qpainter/graphics_qt_qpainter.cpp
===
--- navit/navit/graphics/qt_qpainter/graphics_qt_qpainter.cpp	(revision 1255)
+++ navit/navit/graphics/qt_qpainter/graphics_qt_qpainter.cpp	(working copy)
@@ -631,6 +631,7 @@
 	draw_image,
 	draw_image_warp,
 	draw_restore,
+	NULL,
 	font_new,
 	gc_new,
 	background_gc,
Index: navit/navit/graphics.c
===
--- navit/navit/graphics.c	(revision 1255)
+++ navit/navit/graphics.c	(working copy)
@@ -325,6 +325,16 @@
 }
 
 //##
+//# Description:
+//# Comment:
+//# Authors: Martin Schaller (04/2008)
+//##
+void graphics_draw_drag(struct graphics *this_, struct point *p)
+{
+	this_-meth.draw_drag(this_-priv, p);
+}
+
+//##
 //# Description: 
 //# Comment: 
 //# Authors: Martin Schaller (04/2008)
Index: navit/navit/graphics.h
===
--- navit/navit/graphics.h	(revision 1255)
+++ navit/navit/graphics.h	(working copy)
@@ -56,6 +56,7 @@
 	void (*draw_image)(struct graphics_priv *gr, struct graphics_gc_priv *fg, struct point *p, struct graphics_image_priv *img);
 	void (*draw_image_warp)(struct graphics_priv *gr, struct graphics_gc_priv *fg, struct point *p, int count, char *data);
 	void (*draw_restore)(struct graphics_priv *gr, struct point *p, int w, int h);
+	void (*draw_drag)(struct graphics_priv *gr, struct point *p);
 	struct graphics_font_priv *(*font_new)(struct graphics_priv *gr, struct graphics_font_methods *meth, int size, int flags);
 	struct graphics_gc_priv *(*gc_new)(struct graphics_priv *gr, struct graphics_gc_methods *meth);
 	void (*background_gc)(struct graphics_priv *gr, struct graphics_gc_priv *gc);
@@ -143,6 +144,7 @@
 struct graphics_image *graphics_image_new(struct graphics *gra, char *path);
 void graphics_image_free(struct graphics *gra, struct graphics_image *img);
 void graphics_draw_restore(struct graphics *this_, struct point *p, int w, int h);
+void graphics_draw_drag(struct graphics *this_, struct point *p);
 void graphics_draw_mode(struct graphics *this_, enum draw_mode_num mode);
 void graphics_draw_lines(struct graphics *this_, struct graphics_gc *gc, struct point *p, int count);
 void graphics_draw_circle(struct graphics *this_, struct graphics_gc *gc, struct point *p, int r);
Index: navit/navit/navit.c
===
--- navit/navit/navit.c	(revision 1255)
+++ navit/navit/navit.c	(working copy)
@@ -284,6 +284,7 @@
 static void
 navit_button(void *data, int pressed, int button, struct point *p)
 {
+	printf(navit_button\n);
 	struct navit *this=data;
 	if (! this-popup_callback)
 		this-popup_callback=callback_new_1(navit_popup, this);
@@ -297,13 +298,13 @@
 	struct navit *this_=data;
 	int dx, dy;
 
-	dx=(this_-current.x-this_-last.x);
-	dy=(this_-current.y-this_-last.y);
+	dx=(this_-current.x-this_-pressed.x);
+	dy=(this_-current.y-this_-pressed.y);
 	if (dx || dy) {
-		this_-last=this_-current;
-		graphics_overlay_disable(this_-gra, 1);
-		graphics_displaylist_move(this_-displaylist, dx, dy);
-		graphics_displaylist_draw(this_-gra, this_-displaylist, this_-trans, this_-layout_current, 0);
+		struct point point;
+		point.x = dx;
+		point.y = dy;
+		graphics_draw_drag(this_-gra, point);
 		this_-moved=1;
 	}
 	this_-motion_timeout=0;
Index: navit/navit/graphics/gtk_drawing_area/graphics_gtk_drawing_area.c
===
--- navit/navit/graphics/gtk_drawing_area/graphics_gtk_drawing_area.c	(revision 1255)
+++ navit/navit/graphics/gtk_drawing_area/graphics_gtk_drawing_area.c	(working copy)
@@ -27,6 +27,7 @@
 #include fontconfig/fontconfig.h
 #include ft2build.h
 #include FT_FREETYPE_H
+#include FT_CACHE_H
 #include freetype/ftglyph.h
 #ifdef HAVE_IMLIB2
 #include Imlib2.h
@@ -51,6 +52,7 @@
 #define GDK_Calendar XF86XK_Calendar
 #endif
 
+#define 

2008.08 - white border around icons in the launcher

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Kluge
Hi,

any ideas how to remove this? Is this something in the illume theme?


Michael

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Re: 2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Kluge
Hmm. Does not work for me even after a fresh boot. Could please send me the 
relevant settings for this (if you know which are relevant ;) ) ? I'm not 
sure about all knobs that I could twist. It maybe even be a timezone problem. 


Michael

Am Donnerstag, 21. August 2008 07:56:22 schrieb nickd:
 Same happens to me both on and suspended. Using August 08 build.  Alarm
 works fine though. Even brings it out of suspend which is nice :)

 -Nick

 Michael Kluge wrote:
  Hi,
 
  can anyone confirm that the qtopia calendar application does not make any
  attempt to make a noise when it is supposed to? I put an event into it,
  marked it as ring 5 minutes before and nothing happend. Anyone with the
  same/different experience?
 
 
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Re: Tester please?

2008-08-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
 Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 http://newkirk.us/om/dnscache_2.1.5_armv4t.ipk and let me know of any
 
 Hmm, how do I build this from source?

Indeed - I'd be happy to test bitbake recipes for these ...

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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 I installed the unstable image, and tried to use either the unstable or
 testing feeds here, and I get: 
 
 a bunch of: 
 Assuming locally installed package  is up to date.
 
 then a bunch of: 
  
 * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures
 configured
 
 Can't seem to install or update anything. ;( 

Please post the contents of your /etc/opkg/*.conf files.  I know that
both sets of feeds work, cause people have reported success with both in
the IRC channel (and I personally use the fso-testing feed exclusively).

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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hi,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Benito Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How do you do that? For me, after an opkg upgrade with the fso-testing
 feeds pressing the AUX-button doesn't lock the screen anymore. Is there
 some other button/procedure now?

Yes - I noticed that the AUX doesn't lock the screen anymore. I liked
that - I wish we will get it back.
The screen saver just kicks in after some idle time has passed.
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Re: Official update feeds testing on downloads.openmoko.org

2008-08-21 Thread Olivier Berger
Kevin Zuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi,

 I've just noticed on a new testing repository on
 downloads.openmoko.org [1]. Are that the official update feeds for ASU
 or another distribution? Is the merge of the two branches finished?
 Should I use this repo instead of the zecke repo now?

 Thanks for answers.

 Kev

 [1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/


I just had a look at contents of
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0.01_om-gta02.ipk
which may be the package providing the opkg feeds config for that very
feed if things were consistent...

But the feeds definition there refer to
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ ... so I'm not so sure it's
an operational testing upgrade feed for 2008.8/ASU.

But I may be wrong.

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Re: 2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet

2008-08-21 Thread nickd
Just had default settings for the Alarm plus adjusting the timezone. I 
think my clock is not persisting between boots so make sure your clock 
is right. Not sure if it's just me.
-Nick

Michael Kluge wrote:
 Hmm. Does not work for me even after a fresh boot. Could please send me the 
 relevant settings for this (if you know which are relevant ;) ) ? I'm not 
 sure about all knobs that I could twist. It maybe even be a timezone problem. 


 Michael

 Am Donnerstag, 21. August 2008 07:56:22 schrieb nickd:
   
 Same happens to me both on and suspended. Using August 08 build.  Alarm
 works fine though. Even brings it out of suspend which is nice :)

 -Nick

 Michael Kluge wrote:
 
 Hi,

 can anyone confirm that the qtopia calendar application does not make any
 attempt to make a noise when it is supposed to? I put an event into it,
 marked it as ring 5 minutes before and nothing happend. Anyone with the
 same/different experience?


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Re: 2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet

2008-08-21 Thread nickd
Oops missed the 2008.08 bit. I'm using the August 08 build of Qtopia 
not 2008.08 itself. Sorry.
-Nick

Michael Kluge wrote:
 Hmm. Does not work for me even after a fresh boot. Could please send me the 
 relevant settings for this (if you know which are relevant ;) ) ? I'm not 
 sure about all knobs that I could twist. It maybe even be a timezone problem. 


 Michael

 Am Donnerstag, 21. August 2008 07:56:22 schrieb nickd:
   
 Same happens to me both on and suspended. Using August 08 build.  Alarm
 works fine though. Even brings it out of suspend which is nice :)

 -Nick

 Michael Kluge wrote:
 
 Hi,

 can anyone confirm that the qtopia calendar application does not make any
 attempt to make a noise when it is supposed to? I put an event into it,
 marked it as ring 5 minutes before and nothing happend. Anyone with the
 same/different experience?


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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The connection between gllin and TangoGPS is not there on the
 fso-testing image (since we're waiting for some major frameworkd changes
 to stabilise before Mickey bumps the srcrev).

 If you apply the patches in FSO trac tickets 49 and 50, then it works.

I'll try that. Thanks.


 BTW, Orrery (a great star chart app) works nicely on it too!

 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/orrery_1.1_arm_2008.8.ipk

Wow, that looks wonderful!

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Re: 2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet

2008-08-21 Thread Robert William Hutton
nickd wrote:
 I think my clock is not persisting between boots

No matter which method you used above, sync the hardware clock with the 
system time to make your change persist over reboots

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Setting_Date_and_Time#Syncing_the_hardware_clock

Cheers,

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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Update, see below.

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 FYI, I just installed FSO testing (latest snapshot) on my Neo 1973.

Neither POWER nor AUX buttons work. At all.
Which process is supposed to monitor thoe in FSO?
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GNOME running on Freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread sparky mat
I managed to get the whole of GNOME running on Freerunner (using the Debian
installer - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner )

Check out some screenshots below:

http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome1.png
http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome2.png
http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome3.png
http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome4.png
http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome5.png
http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome6.png
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FSO testing on Neo 1973 - opkg update doesn't work

2008-08-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
One more thing:
I have network connectivity, but 'opkg update' doesn't work:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg update
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig
Signature check failed
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig
Signature check failed
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta01/Packages.gz
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta01/Packages.sig
Signature check failed
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig
Signature check failed
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta01/Packages.gz
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta01/Packages.sig
Signature check failed
Collected errors:
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz, error 404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig, error 404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz, error 404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta01/Packages.gz, error
404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta01/Packages.sig, error
404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz, error 404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig, error
404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta01/Packages.gz, error
404
 * Failed to download
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta01/Packages.sig, error
404

Checking the network:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ping my-distribution.org
PING my-distribution.org (212.227.102.147): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.227.102.147: seq=0 ttl=49 time=47.435 ms
64 bytes from 212.227.102.147: seq=1 ttl=49 time=64.165 ms
64 bytes from 212.227.102.147: seq=2 ttl=49 time=84.990 ms

--- my-distribution.org ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 47.435/65.530/84.990 ms

What's going on?
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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:19:07 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

1. colors. what's up with your colors? are you on ppc? the 16bit engine assumes
identical endianess to the host (for x) and doesnt do any proper changes.
2. looks like you installed illume, but its deifnitely not installed the same
place e is installed :) do you have more than 1 install of e? did u install
e17 in /opte17 or /usr and install illume with a different prefix?

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  setup - so use x-ui.sh in the illume svn dir (it runs xephyr for you, sets
  up some modmappings for qtopia - not interesting on a desktop unless you
  have a desktop x86 build of the qtopia x11 port, and it runs e with the
  illume profile).
 
 Thanks. With x-ui.sh I get an error which I don't seem to be able to
 copypaste. Screenshot is at
 
 http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/illume-issue1.png
 
 The module in question is in
 
 /home/lindi/installdir/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/linux-gnu-i686/module.so
 
 so I probably need to figure out how to configure E to find it there?
 
  as for accessing keyboard. even if you have the manual button, it will be
  disabled.. if you have a usb keyboard plugged in (yes! that code in illume
  that detects a physical keyboard like bluetooth and/or usb keyboards
  plugged in) is working! :)
 
  luckily for you... there is a config file for that.
  you need to put a file in ~/.e/e/keyboards for your desktop to work around
  it's default setup as to what input devices to ignore (eg ignore build in
  keyboard interfaces that dont actually provide a real keyboard):
 
   9:42AM ~/.e/e/keyboards  cat ignore_built_in_keyboards 
  /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/*
 
  so just make a file that has that. you'll notice illume ships with one for
  the system that is:
 
   9:43AM ~ 
  cat 
  /usr/local/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ignore_built_in_keyboards
   /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_*
 
  so this ignores things like ps/2 and at keyboards, but usb keyboards are
  removable device style keyboards and thus disable the vkbd :)
 
 Ok.


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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973 - opkg update doesn't work

2008-08-21 Thread Rod Whitby
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed/...

You might want to change that to the actual location of the feeds ...

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Re: GNOME running on Freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:57:43 +0530
sparky mat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I managed to get the whole of GNOME running on Freerunner (using the Debian
 installer - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner )
[...]

Cool! I do not yet have a Freerunner, but would love
to know that Pango also works, i.e., that GNOME also
renders Indian-language text correctly.

Would it be possible for you to cut-and-paste the
line of Hindi text below into gedit on the Freerunner,
and take a screenshot. It would be much appreciated.
  नमस्ते

Regards,
Gora

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Re: GNOME running on Freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Michele Renda
Hi,

It is very very nice.
How much fast is it? I have now XFCE, and 128 Mb of ram seem to be that was
the limit to have a normal use?

How is for you? It take too much time to start?
Thank your screenshot I had the idea to install epiphany under XFCE. It seem
to be to don't have too much gnome deps :)

Than you for the screenshot!
Michele Renda

2008/8/21 sparky mat [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I managed to get the whole of GNOME running on Freerunner (using the Debian
 installer - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner )

 Check out some screenshots below:

 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome1.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome2.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome3.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome4.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome5.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome6.png

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Re: GNOME running on Freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread xiangfu
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if the Freerunner have indian fonts file i think it is can display Hindi
text.

 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:57:43 +0530
 sparky mat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I managed to get the whole of GNOME running on Freerunner (using the Debian
 installer - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner )
 [...]
 
 Cool! I do not yet have a Freerunner, but would love
 to know that Pango also works, i.e., that GNOME also
 renders Indian-language text correctly.
 
 Would it be possible for you to cut-and-paste the
 line of Hindi text below into gedit on the Freerunner,
 and take a screenshot. It would be much appreciated.
   नमस्ते
 
 Regards,
 Gora
 
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Re: GNOME running on Freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread sparky mat

 How much fast is it? I have now XFCE, and 128 Mb of ram seem to be that was
 the limit to have a normal use?


Not that fast. Just barely usable.
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Re: Bluetooth, WiFi and Zecke's feeds?

2008-08-21 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Al Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wednesday 20 August 2008, Christ van Willegen wrote:

 #!/bin/sh
 # Bring up bluetooth - power up module
 echo 1  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
 echo 1  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset
 echo 0  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset

 #!/bin/sh
 # Bring down bluetooth - turn off the module
 echo 0  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on

I expanded these scripts a bit (see below), but...
# hcitool scan
Device is not available: No such device

This is the content of my bn (Bluetooth oN) script:
#!/bin/sh
# Bring up bluetooth - power up module
echo 1  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
echo 1  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset
echo 0  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset

echo 1  /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power\:blue/brightness

and my bf (Bluetooth ofF) script:
#!/bin/sh
# Bring down bluetooth - turn off the module
echo 0  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on

echo 0  /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power\:blue/brightness

This also turns on and off the blue led, to indicate Bluetooth being
on (and off).

Buf, no luck with hcitool! I'll opkg update and opkg upgrade tonight
and see if those scripts help!

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Re: Extended battery pack

2008-08-21 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

this are very interesting resources.

Has anyone had also the idea to create a 'docking station' that would  
propably also contains batteries ?


I mean to dock it on the side with the USB connector having 2/3 of the  
openmoko FR device in negative form,

so the FR could snap into the docking station.

I would create a 3D sketch if it isn't done anywhere else.

Lothar

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Re: GNOME running on Freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread sparky mat


 Would it be possible for you to cut-and-paste the
 line of Hindi text below into gedit on the Freerunner,
 and take a screenshot. It would be much appreciated.
  नमस्ते

 Regards,
 Gora


Will do that later in the evening and update you.
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Re: Bluetooth, WiFi and Zecke's feeds?

2008-08-21 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Gabriel A. Devenyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have of, as yet, not been able to associate with my WRT54GL either, with any
 of the available distros (the kernels and wpa_supplicant are the same
 afterall). See the (completely ignored) bug
 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1250

I have a stock WRT54G with a stock firmware, so it isn't any other
distro I run on my router. But, since the problems that I see are
slightly different from the problems mentioned in that ticket, I'm not
sure if it's the same thing...

At work, I _have_ been able to associate with an AP, so it certainly
is a problem between the FreeRunner and the WRT54G...

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FSO milestone 2 on freerunner dial out problem

2008-08-21 Thread Xavier Vens
Hi All,

I am the happy owner of a freerunner from now 2 weeks, I have tried
several distribution but I stop my choice on FSO milestone 2.
Yesterday, I was looking for a sim (Prepaid BASE in Belgium), my first
test is to receive a call, what worked well. But when I try to compose
an outgoing call, nothing happens. I'm using the validation buttton
and I remain on the screen with the number telephonne.
does someone have an idea ?

Xavier.

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Re: GNOME running on Freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:56:29 +0800
xiangfu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 if the Freerunner have indian fonts file i think it is can display Hindi
 text.
[...]

Yeah, sorry. Forgot about that. A Hindi font is included
in the ttf-indic fonts package on Debian, and a list of
open-source Hindi fonts is at
http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php/IndicFontsList#Devanagari

I am also pretty sure that if Pango is working, Indian-language
text should render properly on the Freerunner. However, I would
love to have a screen shot confirming that.

Regards,
Gora

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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread arne anka
 Yes - I noticed that the AUX doesn't lock the screen anymore. I liked
 that - I wish we will get it back.
 The screen saver just kicks in after some idle time has passed.

pressing the pwr button for a few seconds does the trick mostly -- but  
there's no indication and you easily press too long and the device simply  
reboots ...
would be nice if a led flashed or the device wiggled slightly.


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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Looks like we need swap after all.
Swap on flash sounds crazy, but this would be a place where non live 
pages can be dumped. I assume the majority of the memory that causes 
problems like this is leaked memory or regular bloat.

There seem to be some proposals how to make oom-kill behave more 
cooperative. But when oom-kill comes, every thing is too late in my eyes.

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 I am running ASU on my FreeRunner. After it being up for a day or two,
 things  (like the touch screen) stops working. ight now it has been up
 for:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uptime
  22:53:34 up 3 days,  5:10,  2 users,  load average: 1.01, 1.15, 1.28
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
 
 From logread:
 Aug 20 22:11:47 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.785000] hald
 invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.785000]
 [c002dbfc] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [c007a554]
 (oom_kill_process+0x58/0xec)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.795000]
 [c007a4fc] (oom_kill_process+0x0/0xec) from [c007aa28]
 (out_of_memory+0x1a4/0x1fc)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.805000]
 r7:0134 r6:c6884720 r5:c0387158 r4:c77e73c0
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.81]
 [c007a884] (out_of_memory+0x0/0x1fc) from [c007cdcc]
 (__alloc_pages+0x27c/0x308)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.82]
 [c007cb50] (__alloc_pages+0x0/0x308) from [c007f068]
 (__do_page_cache_readahead+0x148/0x2b0)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.83]
 [c007ef20] (__do_page_cache_readahead+0x0/0x2b0) from [c007f68c]
 (do_page_cache_readahead+0x70/0x80)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.84]
 [c007f61c] (do_page_cache_readahead+0x0/0x80) from [c00799c0]
 (filemap_fault+0x1d4/0x454)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.85]
 r7:c76f6620 r6:c68d2000 r5: r4:
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.855000]
 [c00797ec] (filemap_fault+0x0/0x454) from [c0084e04]
 (__do_fault+0x74/0x43c)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.865000]
 [c0084d90] (__do_fault+0x0/0x43c) from [c0085f64]
 (handle_mm_fault+0x308/0x700)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.87]
 [c0085c5c] (handle_mm_fault+0x0/0x700) from [c002fde0]
 (do_page_fault+0x100/0x23c)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.88]
 [c002fce0] (do_page_fault+0x0/0x23c) from [c002ffd0]
 (do_translation_fault+0x20/0x80)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.89]
 [c002ffb0] (do_translation_fault+0x0/0x80) from [c00281bc]
 (do_PrefetchAbort+0x18/0x1c)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.90]
 r5:be9248c0 r4:
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.905000]
 [c00281a4] (do_PrefetchAbort+0x0/0x1c) from [c0028e80]
 (ret_from_exception+0x0/0x10)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.915000] Exception
 stack(0xc68d3fb0 to 0xc68d3ff8)
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.92] 3fa0:
   00043660 000389f0 be9247b8 be9248b8
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.925000] 3fc0:
 be9248d4 be9248c0 be9248c4 be9248c8 be9248cc be9248d0 000412e0
 0001
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.935000] 3fe0:
 000414c4 be924778 0002c748 4024c050 2010 
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.94] Mem-info:
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.945000] DMA per-cpu:
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.945000] CPU0:
 Hot: hi:   42, btch:   7 usd:  40   Cold: hi:   14, btch:   3 usd:   9
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.95]
 Active:27461 inactive:310 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.95]  free:360
 slab:1883 mapped:4 pagetables:220 bounce:0
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.955000] DMA
 free:1440kB min:1440kB low:1800kB high:2160kB active:109844kB
 inactive:1240kB present:130048kB pages_scanned:193944
 all_unreclaimable? yes
 Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.96]
 lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.965000] DMA: 0*4kB
 2*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 1*128kB 1*256kB 0*512kB 1*1024kB 0*2048kB
 0*4096kB = 1440kB
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.975000] Swap cache:
 add 0, delete 0, find 0/0, race 0+0
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.98] Free swap  = 0kB
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.985000] Total swap = 0kB
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.985000] Free swap:
   0kB
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.00] 32768 pages of RAM
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.00] 604 free pages
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.00] 1924 reserved pages
 Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275269.005000] 1883 

[OT] Re: FSO milestone 2 on freerunner dial out problem

2008-08-21 Thread Jan Keymeulen
On Thu 21 August 2008 om 11:11:01 GMT Xavier Vens told us:
 Hi All,
 
 I am the happy owner of a freerunner from now 2 weeks, I have tried
 several distribution but I stop my choice on FSO milestone 2.
 Yesterday, I was looking for a sim (Prepaid BASE in Belgium), my first
 test is to receive a call, what worked well. But when I try to compose
 an outgoing call, nothing happens. I'm using the validation buttton
 and I remain on the screen with the number telephonne.
 does someone have an idea ?


What kind of BASE simcard do you have? Mine, a 128 kbit banxafe e-sim,
doesn't work at all. Probably because it's one of those 3G cards..

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Re: Substitute batteries

2008-08-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 21 August 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote:
  Makes perfect sense. Is it a custom IC, something off-the-shelf, or what?

 That I don't know. Joerg, any reason we don't open source this
 schematic, since we did all of GTA02?

You already did ages ago, and it's been in the wiki for some time.

http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Battery

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:42:52 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

no.. you need to find who is leaking memory and beat them up! :) seriously.
128m is more than enough. it's almost overkill. needing swap (on a device like
the freerunner) is a sign of stupid programming :)

 Looks like we need swap after all.
 Swap on flash sounds crazy, but this would be a place where non live 
 pages can be dumped. I assume the majority of the memory that causes 
 problems like this is leaked memory or regular bloat.
 
 There seem to be some proposals how to make oom-kill behave more 
 cooperative. But when oom-kill comes, every thing is too late in my eyes.
 
 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
  I am running ASU on my FreeRunner. After it being up for a day or two,
  things  (like the touch screen) stops working. ight now it has been up
  for:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# uptime
   22:53:34 up 3 days,  5:10,  2 users,  load average: 1.01, 1.15, 1.28
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
  
  From logread:
  Aug 20 22:11:47 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.785000] hald
  invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.785000]
  [c002dbfc] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [c007a554]
  (oom_kill_process+0x58/0xec)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.795000]
  [c007a4fc] (oom_kill_process+0x0/0xec) from [c007aa28]
  (out_of_memory+0x1a4/0x1fc)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.805000]
  r7:0134 r6:c6884720 r5:c0387158 r4:c77e73c0
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.81]
  [c007a884] (out_of_memory+0x0/0x1fc) from [c007cdcc]
  (__alloc_pages+0x27c/0x308)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.82]
  [c007cb50] (__alloc_pages+0x0/0x308) from [c007f068]
  (__do_page_cache_readahead+0x148/0x2b0)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.83]
  [c007ef20] (__do_page_cache_readahead+0x0/0x2b0) from [c007f68c]
  (do_page_cache_readahead+0x70/0x80)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.84]
  [c007f61c] (do_page_cache_readahead+0x0/0x80) from [c00799c0]
  (filemap_fault+0x1d4/0x454)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.85]
  r7:c76f6620 r6:c68d2000 r5: r4:
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.855000]
  [c00797ec] (filemap_fault+0x0/0x454) from [c0084e04]
  (__do_fault+0x74/0x43c)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.865000]
  [c0084d90] (__do_fault+0x0/0x43c) from [c0085f64]
  (handle_mm_fault+0x308/0x700)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.87]
  [c0085c5c] (handle_mm_fault+0x0/0x700) from [c002fde0]
  (do_page_fault+0x100/0x23c)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.88]
  [c002fce0] (do_page_fault+0x0/0x23c) from [c002ffd0]
  (do_translation_fault+0x20/0x80)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.89]
  [c002ffb0] (do_translation_fault+0x0/0x80) from [c00281bc]
  (do_PrefetchAbort+0x18/0x1c)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.90]
  r5:be9248c0 r4:
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.905000]
  [c00281a4] (do_PrefetchAbort+0x0/0x1c) from [c0028e80]
  (ret_from_exception+0x0/0x10)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.915000] Exception
  stack(0xc68d3fb0 to 0xc68d3ff8)
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.92] 3fa0:
00043660 000389f0 be9247b8 be9248b8
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.925000] 3fc0:
  be9248d4 be9248c0 be9248c4 be9248c8 be9248cc be9248d0 000412e0
  0001
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.935000] 3fe0:
  000414c4 be924778 0002c748 4024c050 2010 
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.94] Mem-info:
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.945000] DMA per-cpu:
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.945000] CPU0:
  Hot: hi:   42, btch:   7 usd:  40   Cold: hi:   14, btch:   3 usd:   9
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.95]
  Active:27461 inactive:310 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.95]  free:360
  slab:1883 mapped:4 pagetables:220 bounce:0
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.955000] DMA
  free:1440kB min:1440kB low:1800kB high:2160kB active:109844kB
  inactive:1240kB present:130048kB pages_scanned:193944
  all_unreclaimable? yes
  Aug 20 22:13:22 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.96]
  lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
  Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.965000] DMA: 0*4kB
  2*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 1*128kB 1*256kB 0*512kB 1*1024kB 0*2048kB
  0*4096kB = 1440kB
  Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.975000] Swap cache:
  add 0, delete 0, find 0/0, race 0+0
  Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.98] Free swap  = 0kB
  Aug 20 22:13:23 om-gta02 user.warn kernel: [275268.985000] Total swap = 0kB
  Aug 20 

Migration to 2008.08

2008-08-21 Thread Maciej Piechotka
1. Is it worthy to migrate to 2008.08 from 2007.02+daily feed?
2. How to import data (SMS + Phone Book) from 2007.02 into 2008.08.

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PS. BTW how to delete contacts from SIM card? In 2007.07 it doesn't work -
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Re: GNOME running on Freerunner

2008-08-21 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:57:43PM +0530, sparky mat wrote:
 I managed to get the whole of GNOME running on Freerunner (using the Debian
 installer - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner )
 
 Check out some screenshots below:
 
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome1.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome2.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome3.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome4.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome5.png
 http://www.sparkymat.net/images/gnome6.png

IMPRESSIVE (sounding like Mortal Kombat's)

I'm sure a lot of unnecessary cruft could be removed from GNOME for
OpenMoko (like replacing metacity with Matchbox or something else,
even), and other things in order to make it less slow :)

Excellent job!

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Re: Extended battery pack

2008-08-21 Thread Daniel Grivicic
You may want to try this too:

http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/

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 this are very interesting resources.
 Has anyone had also the idea to create a 'docking station' that would
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 I mean to dock it on the side with the USB connector having 2/3 of the
 openmoko FR device in negative form,
 so the FR could snap into the docking station.
 I would create a 3D sketch if it isn't done anywhere else.
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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:42:52 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 no.. you need to find who is leaking memory and beat them up! :) seriously.
 128m is more than enough. it's almost overkill. needing swap (on a device like
 the freerunner) is a sign of stupid programming :)

I understand your Argument and it is true. But the conclusion is wrong.
Even if you don't have obvious leaks, some memory will not be used most 
of the time and can be safely dumped out of the RAM.
Like some background process which is sleeping almost all the time. Or 
other multitasked apps which are not used currently.
Or all the fat frameworks which probably take some memory for code or 
data which are almost never used.

All this memory is wasted on valuable RAM. Even if only a hand full of 
pages end on swap, they are saved from clogging up RAM.

And using huge amounts of virtual memory is not necessarily a effect of 
a memory leak. Virtual memory is almost free after all on all other 
linux systems.

And another point is just the more graceful effect when memory really 
becomes low.
You feel the speed impact. You feel that something needs to be done. Or 
  some popup can ask the user for some intervention - all before it is 
too late.

As i said, swap on flash sound crazy. But i had this experience on my 
Nokia 770 (64Mb RAM). Even if i was not always on the memory limit, it 
felt instantaneously better and more stable.

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Re: [OT] Re: FSO milestone 2 on freerunner dial out problem

2008-08-21 Thread Xavier Vens
To be more precise on the SIM; it is a pack prepaid from belgium
carrefour mobile that costs 15 Euro.


On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Xavier Vens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My works to receive call, but not for dial out. How can i see the
 model of the sim card ?

 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Jan Keymeulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu 21 August 2008 om 11:11:01 GMT Xavier Vens told us:
 Hi All,

 I am the happy owner of a freerunner from now 2 weeks, I have tried
 several distribution but I stop my choice on FSO milestone 2.
 Yesterday, I was looking for a sim (Prepaid BASE in Belgium), my first
 test is to receive a call, what worked well. But when I try to compose
 an outgoing call, nothing happens. I'm using the validation buttton
 and I remain on the screen with the number telephonne.
 does someone have an idea ?


 What kind of BASE simcard do you have? Mine, a 128 kbit banxafe e-sim,
 doesn't work at all. Probably because it's one of those 3G cards..

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:58:44PM +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote:
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:42:52 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  babbled:
  
  no.. you need to find who is leaking memory and beat them up! :) seriously.
  128m is more than enough. it's almost overkill. needing swap (on a device 
  like
  the freerunner) is a sign of stupid programming :)
 
 I understand your Argument and it is true. But the conclusion is wrong.
 Even if you don't have obvious leaks, some memory will not be used most 
 of the time and can be safely dumped out of the RAM.
 Like some background process which is sleeping almost all the time. Or 
 other multitasked apps which are not used currently.
 Or all the fat frameworks which probably take some memory for code or 
 data which are almost never used.
 
 All this memory is wasted on valuable RAM. Even if only a hand full of 
 pages end on swap, they are saved from clogging up RAM.

But every access to swap will mean a significant decrease of battery
life.

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Re: Migration to 2008.08

2008-08-21 Thread Dale Maggee
1. I don't think so, mainly because of bug # 1766 - can't be used as a 
phone. YMMV.
2. negated by 1.

Maciej Piechotka wrote:
 1. Is it worthy to migrate to 2008.08 from 2007.02+daily feed?
 2. How to import data (SMS + Phone Book) from 2007.02 into 2008.08.

 Regards
 PS. BTW how to delete contacts from SIM card? In 2007.07 it doesn't work -
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Re: [OT] Re: FSO milestone 2 on freerunner dial out problem

2008-08-21 Thread Yorick Moko
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Xavier Vens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To be more precise on the SIM; it is a pack prepaid from belgium
 carrefour mobile that costs 15 Euro.


 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Xavier Vens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My works to receive call, but not for dial out. How can i see the
 model of the sim card ?

 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Jan Keymeulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu 21 August 2008 om 11:11:01 GMT Xavier Vens told us:
 Hi All,

 I am the happy owner of a freerunner from now 2 weeks, I have tried
 several distribution but I stop my choice on FSO milestone 2.
 Yesterday, I was looking for a sim (Prepaid BASE in Belgium), my first
 test is to receive a call, what worked well. But when I try to compose
 an outgoing call, nothing happens. I'm using the validation buttton
 and I remain on the screen with the number telephonne.
 does someone have an idea ?


 What kind of BASE simcard do you have? Mine, a 128 kbit banxafe e-sim,
 doesn't work at all. Probably because it's one of those 3G cards..

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your SIM is probably not to blame
2008.08 refused to let me make outgoing calls (incomming calls and sms
worked fine) while I could make outgoing calls with 2007.2

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:58:44PM +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote:
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:42:52 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 babbled:

 no.. you need to find who is leaking memory and beat them up! :) seriously.
 128m is more than enough. it's almost overkill. needing swap (on a device 
 like
 the freerunner) is a sign of stupid programming :)
 I understand your Argument and it is true. But the conclusion is wrong.
 Even if you don't have obvious leaks, some memory will not be used most 
 of the time and can be safely dumped out of the RAM.
 Like some background process which is sleeping almost all the time. Or 
 other multitasked apps which are not used currently.
 Or all the fat frameworks which probably take some memory for code or 
 data which are almost never used.

 All this memory is wasted on valuable RAM. Even if only a hand full of 
 pages end on swap, they are saved from clogging up RAM.
 
 But every access to swap will mean a significant decrease of battery
 life.

There are probably some kernel-knobs to fiddle with to make the kernel 
behave very conservative in regards to how early it pages something out.
A ideal swap would only be filled with stuff that is not to be read 
again for ages.
Or in other words, it should be as un-dynamic as possible.


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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Donnerstag 21 August 2008 11:31:23 schrieb arne anka:
  Yes - I noticed that the AUX doesn't lock the screen anymore. I liked
  that - I wish we will get it back.
  The screen saver just kicks in after some idle time has passed.

 pressing the pwr button for a few seconds does the trick mostly -- but
 there's no indication and you easily press too long and the device simply
 reboots ...
 would be nice if a led flashed or the device wiggled slightly.

*nod* will come soon.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:58:44 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:42:52 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  babbled:
  
  no.. you need to find who is leaking memory and beat them up! :) seriously.
  128m is more than enough. it's almost overkill. needing swap (on a device
  like the freerunner) is a sign of stupid programming :)
 
 I understand your Argument and it is true. But the conclusion is wrong.
 Even if you don't have obvious leaks, some memory will not be used most 
 of the time and can be safely dumped out of the RAM.
 Like some background process which is sleeping almost all the time. Or 
 other multitasked apps which are not used currently.
 Or all the fat frameworks which probably take some memory for code or 
 data which are almost never used.

given the abysmal IO speed flah and sdio can manage - not to mention the
overhead and waitstates we get from swapping via glamo... i'd sooner want to
tear out my eyeballs than have anything swap over SD...

 All this memory is wasted on valuable RAM. Even if only a hand full of 
 pages end on swap, they are saved from clogging up RAM.
 
 And using huge amounts of virtual memory is not necessarily a effect of 
 a memory leak. Virtual memory is almost free after all on all other 
 linux systems.
 
 And another point is just the more graceful effect when memory really 
 becomes low.
 You feel the speed impact. You feel that something needs to be done. Or 
   some popup can ask the user for some intervention - all before it is 
 too late.
 
 As i said, swap on flash sound crazy. But i had this experience on my 
 Nokia 770 (64Mb RAM). Even if i was not always on the memory limit, it 
 felt instantaneously better and more stable.

i think its just the lazy mans way out. there's a problem .. look - lets
cover it up by swapping!. 128m ram is a huge amount. most of the time a vast
chunk of it (at least 25%) be cache - i.e. memory you dont need - but it just
kept around in case you need it again soon. the only thing we are talking here
is using swap in favor of using that space for disk cache really. given we have
things like sd card corruption problems on suspend/resume... not to mention
performance issues, i'd think it would make little sense so make the system
that fragile. fix the memory usage issue - don't just get more slow slow slow
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Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?

2008-08-21 Thread Lothar Behrens

Hi,

just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES  
or ProE format and is Open Source.


See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/

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Re: Official update feeds testing on downloads.openmoko.org

2008-08-21 Thread shawnzier
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:39:42AM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
 Kevin Zuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Hi,
 
  I've just noticed on a new testing repository on
  downloads.openmoko.org [1]. Are that the official update feeds for ASU
  or another distribution? Is the merge of the two branches finished?
  Should I use this repo instead of the zecke repo now?
 
  Thanks for answers.
 
  Kev
 
  [1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/
 
 
 I just had a look at contents of
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0.01_om-gta02.ipk
 which may be the package providing the opkg feeds config for that very
 feed if things were consistent...
 
 But the feeds definition there refer to
 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ ... so I'm not so sure it's
 an operational testing upgrade feed for 2008.8/ASU.
 
To keep it from trying to point to the daily builds, just don't accept the 
changes to the config files when opkg asks you to.
-- INSERT --

I tried that feed
(http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/*) last night and got a 
really weird result. I did an
opkg update
opkg ugrade

It seemed to update a bunch of packages, but then I tried an
opkg list 

and none of the packages actually showed the newer versions. I just
checked by looking at the actual versions of the packages in the
repositories. I can't understand what would cause this exactly.

I'll try them again today and let you know what happens.

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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread arne anka
 would be nice if a led flashed or the device wiggled slightly.

 *nod* will come soon.


i put a script to that effect into /etc/apm/suspend.d/ -- but it never got  
called, whereas scripts in /etc/apm/resume.d/ do.
why is that?


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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

2008-08-21 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Do you have a source for this info? The only need for external
  components that
  I'm aware of is the 15k pulldowns when charging while in host mode.


 About two years ago I was working on getting USB Host mode working
 out of the box on the GP2X, and I ran into this problem - the
 missing cap/resistor combo meant that the USB Host controller
 interface wasn't able to accurately determine what sort of node it was
 communicating with, and thus the onboard Linux driver tried to treat
 it as a hub node when it was really just a 'terminal' node.  I don't
 have a reference for you on this, just going by memory ..


Can we have a keyboard with that includes batteries and supply juice to the
freerunner while in host mode?  That way when using the builkier setup with
the keyboard plugged into the usb, it could be charging the freerunner?  Or
are the host mode / charging mode multually exclusive?
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Re: Official update feeds testing on downloads.openmoko.org

2008-08-21 Thread shawnzier
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:39:42AM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
 Kevin Zuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Hi,
 
  I've just noticed on a new testing repository on
  downloads.openmoko.org [1]. Are that the official update feeds for ASU
  or another distribution? Is the merge of the two branches finished?
  Should I use this repo instead of the zecke repo now?
 
  Thanks for answers.
 
  Kev
 
  [1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/
 
 
 I just had a look at contents of
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0.01_om-gta02.ipk
 which may be the package providing the opkg feeds config for that very
 feed if things were consistent...
 
 But the feeds definition there refer to
 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ ... so I'm not so sure it's
 an operational testing upgrade feed for 2008.8/ASU.
 
Just tried again today. The packages still don't get upgraded using
opkg ugrade. It says they do during the process, but they definitely
aren't. It's almost like I did opkg -test upgrade.

But, if I upgrade a package specifically, it works fine. I'm not about
to pick out each package and do an opkg upgrade on it. I can't figure
out what would cause this. I think zeckes feeds worked fine. I'll have
to try them again and test the same way.

Anyhow, if any one tries these feeds and it works for them, please let
me know.

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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

2008-08-21 Thread Alexey Kurochkin
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 14:13 -0500, Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
 You guys are lucky. Mine does not receive calls at all on startup.

I think I found the cause of this particular problem. I have installed
openmoko-dialer2, and that creature quietly installed gsmd daemon, which
conflicts with qutopia's qpe. I noticed it when phone registered somehow
and they both started to race to pick a call up. Seems to me that opkg
does not do its job taking care of conflicting software.

  
  
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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Esben Stien
Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
 the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
 of helplessley crashing)

Yes, or killing the application. Not having swap is nonsense;). If you
are using swap something is wrong, right, but then you fix it. I find
it strange that the debian install didn't make a little swap
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Re: kernel module dev

2008-08-21 Thread Tomasz Czapiewski
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've got a question on kernel development.  I want to try to get some USB
 webcam support working, which requires gspca plus usb-video and a few other
 modules, not presently being build.  can someone lead me by the hand to the
 simplest path to being able to build modules for the 2008.08 kernel?  Until
 recently gspca has been built outside the kernel source tree, but
 apparently is merged into the standard kernel source as of 2.6.26 or
 2.6.27.  This driver covers perhaps 35% of USB webcams, including much of
 the Logitech line.

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Maybe these and some other usb modules should be included in openmoko 
kernel modules packages.
I've got usb webcam that I'd like to try with FR, too.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Tilman Baumann wrote:

 i'd think it would make little sense so make the system
 that fragile. fix the memory usage issue - don't just get more slow slow 
 slow
 ram. :)
 
 As i said, i had made the experience that it improved the system 
 greatly. Shouldn't we just test it?
 Perhaps, that is what i will try to do with my Neo1973 soon...

This is how swap was used after launching some apps simultaniously 
(tangogps, navit, browser, mediaplayer) using them for some time and 
then shut them down again:
  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:126268 111008  15260  0   1304  68736
-/+ buffers/cache:  40968  85300
Swap:64720 44  64676

These 44kbytes came only some minutes after swap was enabled and used. 
And they came only in a few chunks.

44kbyte are not very impressive, but they prove my point never the less.
This memory is obviously waste. It stays in swap for ages. Not much 
saved, but anyhow. It is memory that did not need to be in ram.

I would assume with more complex software like it is coming for 
freerunners (enough ROM for bloatware) this will sightly increase.

And regarding the point of wasting power with io on the swapfile.
Sure, i did not measure real io. But just looking at the output of free 
  via watch shows pretty clearly that swap is virtually not used in 
regular usage.
Ergo, in case no emergency is present, swap is not used and no harm is 
done. (Besides saving some kbyte of real RAM)
But IF memory becomes a problem, swap comes to rescue.

(Found no real world way to really excessively use mem and drive the 
kernel into swapping in the short time. But the result seems pretty 
obvious to me. No crash but graceful performance breakdown)

Based on this quick survey, i would say there no way swap could bring 
any danger or adverse effects.
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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Esben Stien wrote:
 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
 the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
 of helplessley crashing)
 
 Yes, or killing the application. 

That would be great. But was always a hot topic and AFAIK no solution 
was found yet.
I remember there was a proposal for a more intelligent oom killer system 
on lkml some time ago. No idea if this is still around.
(Was afaik some preemtive notification to userspace)

Intuitively the answer is clear. Kill the culprit and not just something 
big. But what is to kill? And how to determine without allocating any 
more memory...
I have never seen any craceful oom killer yet.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:50:26 +0200 Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
  the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
  of helplessley crashing)
 
 Yes, or killing the application. Not having swap is nonsense;). If you
 are using swap something is wrong, right, but then you fix it. I find
 it strange that the debian install didn't make a little swap
 partition.

and luckily those smart fellas in kernel developer land.. made kernel
overcommit.. a tunable parameter! and... cunningly.. on the FR (and as wel on
my desktop) it's turned off! :) so... a moot point really. :)

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:09:58 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Esben Stien wrote:
  Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
  the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
  of helplessley crashing)
  
  Yes, or killing the application. 
 
 That would be great. But was always a hot topic and AFAIK no solution 
 was found yet.
 I remember there was a proposal for a more intelligent oom killer system 
 on lkml some time ago. No idea if this is still around.
 (Was afaik some preemtive notification to userspace)
 
 Intuitively the answer is clear. Kill the culprit and not just something 
 big. But what is to kill? And how to determine without allocating any 
 more memory...
 I have never seen any craceful oom killer yet.

really - we need a userspace oom that is Smarter (it knows what a system
daemon is and what a user application is and what is a necessary user desktop
process), so it will always kill apps not the phone daemon or the window
manager or the launcher etc. it will stick to finding visible apps that have
gone rogue and nuke them. the userspace oom can run as root - mlock() its
memoryspace in and give itself a realtime priority with setsched(). every
second or so - check the memory state of the system, if it begins to get low -
issue a warning signal to processes (could use dbus or something more basic
like system signals - use SIGURG or something pretty much unused these days).
any well behaved app when it gets such a signal should:

* free any memory it doesnt REALLY need (any caches or any data loaded that it
can get back from a file again), so save out stuff and free.
* if it does garbage collection - collect now. asap!
* if it makes sense - exit the process altogether (if it is really not a
useful process and it can be started later when things get better)

this would - allow things to clean up nicely and avoid swap storms. remember
swap comes with the cost of writing to swap AND reading back at another time.
throwing out pages from disk cache and then just loading them later if u need
them again has less cost - throwing out costs nothing, and paging in is (give
or take) the same cost as from swap. the kernel makes a wild guess as to what
pages are really so unused they should be swapped as cache is more useful than
those pages... but better than making the kernel HAVE to throw them into swap
is.. get rid of them entirely!

yes.. this requires work on the part of app authors in userspace. but it's the
right thing to do (imho).

anyway - the same userspace oom daemon can then choose to kill processes should
the situation become dire - and in this case it could be sure NOT to kill X,
window manager, launcher, dbus daemon etc. (important system processes that
keep the ui and user-facing bits that keep the thing usable).

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:50:26 +0200 Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
 the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
 of helplessley crashing)
 Yes, or killing the application. Not having swap is nonsense;). If you
 are using swap something is wrong, right, but then you fix it. I find
 it strange that the debian install didn't make a little swap
 partition.
 
 and luckily those smart fellas in kernel developer land.. made kernel
 overcommit.. a tunable parameter! and... cunningly.. on the FR (and as wel on
 my desktop) it's turned off! :) so... a moot point really. :)

pardon? Honestly? This is absurd!
Why? I don't get it.

I mean, how did you get the impression that overcomitting is a bad thing?

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

 I remember there was a proposal for a more intelligent oom killer system 
 on lkml some time ago. No idea if this is still around.
 (Was afaik some preemtive notification to userspace)

 Intuitively the answer is clear. Kill the culprit and not just something 
 big. But what is to kill? And how to determine without allocating any 
 more memory...
 I have never seen any craceful oom killer yet.
 
 really - we need a userspace oom that is Smarter (it knows what a system
 daemon is and what a user application is and what is a necessary user desktop
 process), so it will always kill apps not the phone daemon or the window
 manager or the launcher etc. it will stick to finding visible apps that have
 gone rogue and nuke them.

http://kerneltrap.org/node/850
Had not followed the story, but seems to go in the right direction


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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-21 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 1. colors. what's up with your colors? are you on ppc? the 16bit engine 
 assumes
 identical endianess to the host (for x) and doesnt do any proper changes.

x86 in debian unstable chroot.

 2. looks like you installed illume, but its deifnitely not installed the same
 place e is installed :) do you have more than 1 install of e? did u 
 install
 e17 in /opte17 or /usr and install illume with a different prefix?

illume and e svn should both be installed to /home/lindi/installdir. I
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Re: Substitute batteries

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Shiloh


Al Johnson wrote:
 On Thursday 21 August 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Makes perfect sense. Is it a custom IC, something off-the-shelf, or what?
 That I don't know. Joerg, any reason we don't open source this
 schematic, since we did all of GTA02?
 
 You already did ages ago, and it's been in the wiki for some time.
 
 http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Battery

Thanks for reminding me. I did actually look at these (ages ago, as you 
say) and have since forgotten.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Tilman Baumann wrote:
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 
 I remember there was a proposal for a more intelligent oom killer system 
 on lkml some time ago. No idea if this is still around.
 (Was afaik some preemtive notification to userspace)

 Intuitively the answer is clear. Kill the culprit and not just something 
 big. But what is to kill? And how to determine without allocating any 
 more memory...
 I have never seen any craceful oom killer yet.
 really - we need a userspace oom that is Smarter (it knows what a system
 daemon is and what a user application is and what is a necessary user 
 desktop
 process), so it will always kill apps not the phone daemon or the window
 manager or the launcher etc. it will stick to finding visible apps that 
 have
 gone rogue and nuke them.
 
 http://kerneltrap.org/node/850
 Had not followed the story, but seems to go in the right direction

As i said. Never ending story.
I was not sure this was the story i remembered. So i searched a bit 
further...
http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Out_of_Memory_Notification
http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Signaling_When_Out_of_Memory

As you can see, they are well aware of the problem. But somehow there is 
no universal solution yet. (of which i know)

But it seems to me like we could use someone to dig into this topic and 
find a good solution. (I'm not really a VM guy)
Because clearly, plain oom-kill is bad. However the vm handles memory.

Maybe a stupid solution like looking for unusual growth of swap usage 
might even do the trick.
But i really like the SIGDANGER idea...
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Re: [OT] Re: FSO milestone 2 on freerunner dial out problem

2008-08-21 Thread Xavier Vens
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Xavier Vens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To be more precise on the SIM; it is a pack prepaid from belgium
 carrefour mobile that costs 15 Euro.


 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Xavier Vens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My works to receive call, but not for dial out. How can i see the
 model of the sim card ?

 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Jan Keymeulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu 21 August 2008 om 11:11:01 GMT Xavier Vens told us:
 Hi All,

 I am the happy owner of a freerunner from now 2 weeks, I have tried
 several distribution but I stop my choice on FSO milestone 2.
 Yesterday, I was looking for a sim (Prepaid BASE in Belgium), my first
 test is to receive a call, what worked well. But when I try to compose
 an outgoing call, nothing happens. I'm using the validation buttton
 and I remain on the screen with the number telephonne.
 does someone have an idea ?


 What kind of BASE simcard do you have? Mine, a 128 kbit banxafe e-sim,
 doesn't work at all. Probably because it's one of those 3G cards..

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 your SIM is probably not to blame
 2008.08 refused to let me make outgoing calls (incomming calls and sms
 worked fine) while I could make outgoing calls with 2007.2

Good news it works, i can dial out ,but i don't know what's happend.
After rebooting 2 times, i got a suprise, i can dail out.
Actually, i have reboot 4 times from now and still working.

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Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-21 Thread yves mahe
Olivier Berger wrote:
 
 Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT +
 EXT3).
 
 But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if
 rebooting to 2007.2 in flash).
 
 

Hi,

I've just received my Freerunner yesterday.

FYI,

I'm able to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD and to use use network over USB 
with Windows XP ( with VFAT and EXT3 as described here ( 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia#Preparing_the_SD_card and 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card )

Today, I try the Raster version of OM 2008.8 ( 
http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ ) from SD and I can't use 
network over USB anymore.


Best regards,
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FSO milestone 2 Zhone sending digit

2008-08-21 Thread Xavier Vens
Hi All,

Now the dialout works :-); does anybody knows how to send digit to an
IVR i called with Zhone ?
On the screen, i have the phone dialed with 2 buttons, hold and hangup
but no way to send the digits.
i tried with the virtual keyboard but no success.

I running the Freerunner with FSO milestone 2.

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FR as a tablet pen?

2008-08-21 Thread Davide Scaini
Hi all,
I'm new in the community, I'm waiting for my Freerunner ;-)... What do you
think about using the FR as a tablet pen??? It would be nice!
Davide
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-21 Thread Christian Adams
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Am 20.08.2008 um 23:30 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:

 Hi,

 On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 14:39 -0400, xaos x wrote:
 I'm currently finishing up a battery power python app for any of  
 the system trays (GNOME, XFCE, etc) so you can see battery power  
 when zhone is either not open, or minimized. I plan on adding  
 phone network status and other information to it as well. I'll  
 post the link here when I'm finished.
 i'm currently doning the same but it's only a xfce panel plugin so you
 can't use it for gnome etc. my program can currently show the  
 status of
 the gps,gsm,bt devices. so i did it the other way around. may be we
 should combine our afforts so we get a faster solution. i think my  
 next
 step would be to build an app to enable or disable the gpsco  
 hardware.

 Yours
  Sebastian Ohl




it would be nice to hear about your progress with this xfce-plugin.

could you send me your actual version?

regards, morlac

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:44:36 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:50:26 +0200 Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  babbled:
  
  Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
  the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
  of helplessley crashing)
  Yes, or killing the application. Not having swap is nonsense;). If you
  are using swap something is wrong, right, but then you fix it. I find
  it strange that the debian install didn't make a little swap
  partition.
  
  and luckily those smart fellas in kernel developer land.. made kernel
  overcommit.. a tunable parameter! and... cunningly.. on the FR (and as wel
  on my desktop) it's turned off! :) so... a moot point really. :)
 
 pardon? Honestly? This is absurd!
 Why? I don't get it.
 
 I mean, how did you get the impression that overcomitting is a bad thing?

when it makes:


myptr = malloc(somesize);
if (myptr == NULL) return -1; // return and unwind
// continue as normal


useless so i mayaswell do:

myptr = malloc(somesize);
if (myptr == NULL) abort();


ala glib. all that error checking code programs have becomes stupid. i should
just assume all mallocs succeed!. as they likely will and part way through
accessing the memory malloc actually returned - i may segv because i dont have
enough ram. that's just bad! what's the point of error codes and returns then?
whats the point of even trying to handle an error? :( may as well throw in the
towel ala glib.

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official

2008-08-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:53:10 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  1. colors. what's up with your colors? are you on ppc? the 16bit engine
  assumes identical endianess to the host (for x) and doesnt do any proper
  changes.
 
 x86 in debian unstable chroot.
 
  2. looks like you installed illume, but its deifnitely not installed the
  same place e is installed :) do you have more than 1 install of e? did
  u install e17 in /opte17 or /usr and install illume with a different prefix?
 
 illume and e svn should both be installed to /home/lindi/installdir. I
 also removed my normal e17 debian package.

something is up.. somewhere. you'll need to dig a bit - like find out just
where illume installed stuff and where all of e installed itself and modules
and what differs - it could be that arch/os was detected differently by the
autofoo - it shouldn't be - for me its always consistent - in oe's build process
too.


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Re: FR as a tablet pen?

2008-08-21 Thread arne anka
 think about using the FR as a tablet pen??? It would be nice!


someone proposed using the fr like that a while ago.
but besides the sw-problems (it would require kernel module that presents  
the fr as pointer device) it will probably kill the screen's surface in no  
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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hi,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:31 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 pressing the pwr button for a few seconds does the trick mostly -- but
 there's no indication and you easily press too long and the device simply
 reboots ...

I just tested here - if i press the POWER button for about 2 - 3
seconds, the device goes into suspend, it doesn't turn on screen
locker.
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Re: FSO milestone 2 Zhone sending digit

2008-08-21 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Donnerstag 21 August 2008 17:28:06 schrieb Xavier Vens:
 Hi All,

 Now the dialout works :-); does anybody knows how to send digit to an
 IVR i called with Zhone ?

DTMF has been added after milestone2 to zhone. This will appear in ms3 due 
around end of august / early september.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Sander van Grieken
 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
 the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
 of helplessley crashing)

 Yes, or killing the application. Not having swap is nonsense;). If you
 are using swap something is wrong, right, but then you fix it. I find
 it strange that the debian install didn't make a little swap
 partition.

How is having 256MB RAM without swap any different from 128MB RAM with 128MB 
swap? It's
still 256MB (virtual) memeory in total.

In other words, even WITH swap you dont solve the problem, you only postpone any
problems until later, AND you lose some flash/sd storage room for swap 
permanently.

It only makes sense to allocate swap if you know beforehand you'll need more 
than the
available RAM.

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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hmm,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Neither POWER nor AUX buttons work. At all.
 Which process is supposed to monitor thoe in FSO?

I just tested again. The power button will suspend my Neo 1973 if I
press it for about 2 - 3 seconds. Correction: I can hold it in for 5 -
15 seconds as well, and the device will go into suspend when I release
the button.

When suspended, a short press on either AUX or power button will wake
the device.
I don't know why it did not work yesterday.
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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

2008-08-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The connection between gllin and TangoGPS is not there on the
 fso-testing image (since we're waiting for some major frameworkd changes
 to stabilise before Mickey bumps the srcrev).

 If you apply the patches in FSO trac tickets 49 and 50, then it works.

 I'll try that. Thanks.

I must have done something wrong, because neither tangoGPS nor zhone
displays any GPS data, even if gpsd spews data out.
I applied the pat in 49, edited /etc/fraeworkd.conf as described in
one comment, and applied the patch in 50. Then I restarted the phone
and verified that gllin and gpsd  was started, and that gpsd was
outputting data.
Any hints on where to look?
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Re: FR as a tablet pen?

2008-08-21 Thread Valerio Valerio
Hi,


2008/8/21 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  think about using the FR as a tablet pen??? It would be nice!


You can do that (partially) with  ReMoko [1],  ReMoko emulate a Bluetooth
HID keyboard and mouse, so you can  draw with the mouse profile.

[1] - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller

Best regards,

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 someone proposed using the fr like that a while ago.
 but besides the sw-problems (it would require kernel module that presents
 the fr as pointer device) it will probably kill the screen's surface in no
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Re: FSO milestone 2 Zhone sending digit

2008-08-21 Thread Xavier Vens
Good news Thank you.

Is it a way to test it ?

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Donnerstag 21 August 2008 17:28:06 schrieb Xavier Vens:
 Hi All,

 Now the dialout works :-); does anybody knows how to send digit to an
 IVR i called with Zhone ?

 DTMF has been added after milestone2 to zhone. This will appear in ms3 due
 around end of august / early september.

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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973 - opkg update doesn't work

2008-08-21 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed/...

 You might want to change that to the actual location of the feeds ...

It must have been late yesterday - I didn't notie that one. :-)
Strange that it resolves and answers to pings.
Anyway, with som many feeds about, which feeds should I use?
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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:44:36 +0200 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:50:26 +0200 Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
 the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
 of helplessley crashing)
 Yes, or killing the application. Not having swap is nonsense;). If you
 are using swap something is wrong, right, but then you fix it. I find
 it strange that the debian install didn't make a little swap
 partition.
 and luckily those smart fellas in kernel developer land.. made kernel
 overcommit.. a tunable parameter! and... cunningly.. on the FR (and as wel
 on my desktop) it's turned off! :) so... a moot point really. :)
 pardon? Honestly? This is absurd!
 Why? I don't get it.

 I mean, how did you get the impression that overcomitting is a bad thing?
 
 when it makes:
 
 
 myptr = malloc(somesize);
 if (myptr == NULL) return -1; // return and unwind
 // continue as normal
 
 
 useless so i mayaswell do:
 
 myptr = malloc(somesize);
 if (myptr == NULL) abort();
 
 
 ala glib. all that error checking code programs have becomes stupid. i should
 just assume all mallocs succeed!. as they likely will and part way through
 accessing the memory malloc actually returned - i may segv because i dont have
 enough ram. that's just bad! what's the point of error codes and returns then?
 whats the point of even trying to handle an error? :( may as well throw in the
 towel ala glib.
 

Not being able to malloc memory and not having any physical memory left 
are just two sepereate things. At least on modern linux systems.

Memory overcommit saves (physical) memory. And not just a bit.
And with some swap safety net it is reasonably save to do so.

And how should it be better if _any_ app gets knocked out by running in 
the memory limit? Usually it can't help the situation. Especially if 
some other app that is eating all memory.
The effect is more or less the same. Some random poor app has to be 
killed. (Since suicide is often the only way to react to malloc fails)

Turning overcommit off is in my eyes only a poor 'bury one's head in the 
sand' solution which effectively does improve nothing.

Overcommit and swap is just the winner. Everyone does it so. And in my 
eyes rightly so. It is fast and efficient.
And even without swap, i would not want to turn overcommit off.

Swap and overcommit is just the dream team. Fast and efficient memory. 
And if something goes wrong, you have plenty of time (and mem) for 
solving the problem.
Contrary to without, because how could you fix any low memory condition 
with not allocating any more memory? Driving something into swap to be 
able to do something about it is just right.

And just if you thought so. Overcommit is not just lazy don't care for 
errors behaviour but a really smart optimisation.
For example it saves memory by only copying a page if the page was 
written. (copy on write)
For example:
If you fork, the memory space is duplicated. You end up with twice the 
memory. But linux does not copy the memory, it overcommits.
Only if a page is really changed it get duplicated first.

This is elegant, fast and efficient. But yes, you loose the context of a 
error condition if some happens. But i say, if a system runs out of 
memory, letting a program know that there is no memory left helps 
nothing. The poor program that gehts the error is usually neither able 
to save much or even to solve the system wide problem.

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Re: FR as a tablet pen?

2008-08-21 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 05:27:12PM +0100, Valerio Valerio wrote:
 2008/8/21 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   think about using the FR as a tablet pen??? It would be nice!
 
 
 You can do that (partially) with  ReMoko [1],  ReMoko emulate a Bluetooth
 HID keyboard and mouse, so you can  draw with the mouse profile.
 
 [1] - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller

Great job, Valerio! That's really interesting software to have on
Freerunner :)

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Tilman Baumann
Sander van Grieken wrote:
 Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 all the linux memory overcommit behaviour more or less depends on
 the fact that it can allways save it's ass by using swap. (Instead
 of helplessley crashing)
 Yes, or killing the application. Not having swap is nonsense;). If you
 are using swap something is wrong, right, but then you fix it. I find
 it strange that the debian install didn't make a little swap
 partition.
 
 How is having 256MB RAM without swap any different from 128MB RAM with 128MB 
 swap? It's
 still 256MB (virtual) memeory in total.

You have 128Mb of good healthy RAM and 128MB of safety-net and trash dump.
 In other words, even WITH swap you dont solve the problem, you only postpone 
 any
 problems until later, AND you lose some flash/sd storage room for swap 
 permanently.

You have 128Mb of memory to wait for the problem to solve itself or 
better to do something about it.
 It only makes sense to allocate swap if you know beforehand you'll need more 
 than the
 available RAM.
Wrong.
No one plans to use swap. Using swap is bad. (for most cases)
But not having swap is far worse.

And come on. Software is not perfect. Sometimes we have to live with a 
dreamteam like (old) firefox and x11. I had times when they had both 
hundreds of megs virtual mem. But everything was fine because it all was 
just harmlessly been swaped away. I restarted them every weekend to not 
let it become worse.
Not ideal, but should the system rather be unusable in this condition?

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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-21 Thread Kevin Fenzi
 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
  I installed the unstable image, and tried to use either the
  unstable or testing feeds here, and I get: 
  
  a bunch of: 
  Assuming locally installed package  is up to date.
  
  then a bunch of: 
   
  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures
  configured
  
  Can't seem to install or update anything. ;( 
 
 Please post the contents of your /etc/opkg/*.conf files.  I know that
 both sets of feeds work, cause people have reported success with both
 in the IRC channel (and I personally use the fso-testing feed
 exclusively).

Sigh. As you might have suspected, it was the result of PEBKAC. ;) 

I was missing the arch.conf file. 

Adding that in gets it working nicely. ;) 

 -- Rod

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Re: USB keyboard in hostmode?

2008-08-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 21 August 2008, Geoff Ruscoe wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Do you have a source for this info? The only need for external
   components that
   I'm aware of is the 15k pulldowns when charging while in host mode.
 
  About two years ago I was working on getting USB Host mode working
  out of the box on the GP2X, and I ran into this problem - the
  missing cap/resistor combo meant that the USB Host controller
  interface wasn't able to accurately determine what sort of node it was
  communicating with, and thus the onboard Linux driver tried to treat
  it as a hub node when it was really just a 'terminal' node.  I don't
  have a reference for you on this, just going by memory ..

 Can we have a keyboard with that includes batteries and supply juice to the
 freerunner while in host mode?  That way when using the builkier setup with
 the keyboard plugged into the usb, it could be charging the freerunner?  Or
 are the host mode / charging mode multually exclusive?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host

You are essentially describing a variation on the three headed cable described 
in the wiki. A similar suggestion that has I think been done it to modify a 
battery powered hub to provide power to the Neo while it's in host mode.

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Re: FSO milestone 2 Zhone sending digit

2008-08-21 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Donnerstag 21 August 2008 18:35:27 schrieb Xavier Vens:
 Good news Thank you.

 Is it a way to test it ?

Yes, it should be part of the unstable images (See SHR feed at beartech, 
talked about in another thread). Be warned though, unstable is less 
functional than ms2 as we're shuffling some bits around atm.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Steven Kurylo
 And come on. Software is not perfect. Sometimes we have to live with a
 dreamteam like (old) firefox and x11. I had times when they had both
 hundreds of megs virtual mem. But everything was fine because it all was
 just harmlessly been swaped away. I restarted them every weekend to not
 let it become worse.
 Not ideal, but should the system rather be unusable in this condition?

You're assuming the system will be usable when an application
misbehaves and 50mb gets swapped out.  On a desktop, sure your points
are valid.

I'm not sure this is true on Freerunner.  None of the embedded systems
I've used have had swap.  What happens when you haven't received a
call for several hours and the application you're using forces it to
swap out?  Can you still answer a call in time?

I'd rather see a smart oom killer which will only kill non-essential
applications.  Adding 128mb of swap just pushes the problem back and
slows down the entire phone.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Sander van Grieken
On Thursday 21 August 2008 19:33:24 Steven Kurylo wrote:
  And come on. Software is not perfect. Sometimes we have to live with a
  dreamteam like (old) firefox and x11. I had times when they had both
  hundreds of megs virtual mem. But everything was fine because it all was
  just harmlessly been swaped away. I restarted them every weekend to not
  let it become worse.
  Not ideal, but should the system rather be unusable in this condition?

 You're assuming the system will be usable when an application
 misbehaves and 50mb gets swapped out.  On a desktop, sure your points
 are valid.

 I'm not sure this is true on Freerunner.  None of the embedded systems
 I've used have had swap.  What happens when you haven't received a
 call for several hours and the application you're using forces it to
 swap out?  Can you still answer a call in time?

Exactly.

 I'd rather see a smart oom killer which will only kill non-essential
 applications.  Adding 128mb of swap just pushes the problem back and
 slows down the entire phone.

For a phone, the algorithm could be as simple as killing the process that has 
allocated the most memory. The essential system services and the basic UI 
applications usually have a small footprint, and the biggest consumer of 
memory is most likely a leaky UI app that's not part of the main system 
anyway.

For a production server with large databases this doesn't work of course, but 
there you're already in big trouble if you have to fallback on the 
oom-killer.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Clinton Ebadi
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 really - we need a userspace oom that is Smarter (it knows what a system
 daemon is and what a user application is and what is a necessary user desktop
 process), so it will always kill apps not the phone daemon or the window
 manager or the launcher etc. it will stick to finding visible apps that have
 gone rogue and nuke them. the userspace oom can run as root - mlock() its
 memoryspace in and give itself a realtime priority with setsched(). every
 second or so - check the memory state of the system, if it begins to get low -
 issue a warning signal to processes (could use dbus or something more basic
 like system signals - use SIGURG or something pretty much unused these days).
 any well behaved app when it gets such a signal should:

 * free any memory it doesnt REALLY need (any caches or any data loaded that it
 can get back from a file again), so save out stuff and free.
 * if it does garbage collection - collect now. asap!
 * if it makes sense - exit the process altogether (if it is really not a
 useful process and it can be started later when things get better)
[...]
 yes.. this requires work on the part of app authors in userspace. but it's the
 right thing to do (imho).

You've just rediscovered one of the few good design decisions of the
l4hurd project. See the bits on memory allocation in [0]. 'Tis a shame
that Hurd has pretty much failed (l4hurd and ngHurd got closer and
closer to fixing the terrible flaws of Mach Hurd ... but, alas, l4
stagnated and Coyotos has yet to appear dooming us to another 30 years
of UNIX it seems).

[0] 
http://www.walfield.org/papers/20070104-walfield-access-decomposition-policy-refinement.pdf

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Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions

2008-08-21 Thread Fox Mulder
First of all i must say that i'm quite impressed with debian on the
freerunner. It runs quite smooth most of the time and the software
choices are realy nice. :)

There is a thing what i found out about the matchbox keyboard. The
standard layout is quite bad so i tried my customized from 2007.2 which
doesn't work at all (i already read about this problem). After a long
try and error session i found out why it doesn't work. The matchbox
keyboard which comes with debian seems not to get along with the
action=modifier:layout tag. After i found out i removed all
alternative layouts and it worked with my nice german layout with f-keys
and everithing which is on the keyboard. :)
If someone is interested in the german layout with f-keys i attached.


Now to the questions i couldn't solve myself until now and i hope
somebody has a few hints for me.

First thing is that i can't find the setting, when the display dims the
brightness. The default setting dims it after some minutes (~3-5 min, i
didn't measure it) what is way to late for battery usage. Also it would
ne nice to set the maximum brightness and not always maximum (63).


Then i wanted to use openoffice, what would make me really happy because
i only use OO on my desktop as well. But after i inetalled it i can't
start it. When i try to start any OO app i got the following error message

/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice: line 365:  2088 Illegal instruction
$sd_prog/$sd_binary $@

where the second number increases with every try. soffice seems to be
a start script, but i can't find the problem why it doesn't work. :(


Then i wanted to ask if there exists a recent navit version for debian.
For 2007.2 i got one as ipkg which works really good with navigation and
speech output, but for debian i can't find any precompiled package.
I have the apprehension that i must compile it myself, but if this is
going well is another story. ;)


There are quite some more things i didn't find out yet, but these are
the most important at the moment.

Ciao,
 Rainer
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
keyboard
options
/options
layout id=german keyboard
 row
   key fill=true
 default display=Esc action=escape /
   /key
   space width=200 /
   key
 default display=F1 action=f1 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F2 action=f2 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F3 action=f3 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F4 action=f4 /
   /key
   space width=200 /
   key
 default display=F5 action=f5 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F6 action=f6 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F7 action=f7 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F8 action=f8 /
   /key
   space width=200 /
   key
 default display=F9 action=f9 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F10 action=f10 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F11 action=f11 /
   /key
   key
 default display=F12 action=f12 /
   /key
   space width=500 extended=true/
   space width=4000 extended=true /
   space width=4000 extended=true /
   space width=500 extended=true/
 /row
 row
   space width=500 extended=true/
   key width=2500
 default display=^ /
 shifted display=° /
   /key
   key
 default display=1 /
 shifted display=! /
   /key
   key
 default display=2 /
 shifted display='' /
 mod1display=² /
   /key
   key
 default display=3 /
 shifted display=§ /
 mod1display=³ /
   /key
   key
 default display=4 /
 shifted display=$ /
   /key
   key
 default display=5 /
 shifted display=% /
   /key
   key
 default display=6 /
 shifted display=amp; /
   /key
   key
 default display=7 /
 shifted display=/ /
 mod1display={ /
   /key
   key
 default display=8 /
 shifted display=( /
 mod1display=[ /
   /key
   key
 default display=9 /
 shifted display=) /
 mod1display=] /
   /key
   key
 default display=0 /
 shifted display== /
 mod1display=} /
   /key
   key
 default display=ß /
 shifted display=? /
 mod1display=\ /
   /key
   key
 default display=´ /
 shifted display=` /
   /key
   key fill=true
default display=⌫ action=backspace/
   /key
   space width=500 extended=true/
   key width=4000  extended=true
 default display=Home action=home/
   /key
   key width=4000  extended=true
 default display=PgUp action=pageup/
   /key
   space width=500 extended=true/
 /row
 row
   space width=500 extended=true/
   key width=3500
 default display=↹ action=tab/
   /key
   key obey-caps='true'
 default display=q /
 shifted display=Q /
 mod1display=@ /
   /key
   key obey-caps='true'
 default display=w /
 shifted display=W /
   /key
   key obey-caps='true'
 mod1 display=€ /
 defaultdisplay=e 

Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-21 Thread Vince M. Clark

I installed FSO testing build. Will opkg upgrade keep it current? I have the 
following files in /etc/opkg/ 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# ls -al 
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 . 
drwxr-xr-x 37 root root 0 Aug 22 07:10 .. 
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62 Jan 1 1970 all-feed.conf 
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 115 Jan 1 1970 arch.conf 
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 68 Jan 1 1970 armv4t-feed.conf 
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 74 Jan 1 1970 fic-gta02-feed.conf 
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70 Jan 1 1970 neo1973-feed.conf 
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 72 Jan 1 1970 om-gta02-feed.conf 

Should I edit one or more of these files before trying to upgrade? 
When I run opkg update I get: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# opkg update 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig 
Signature check failed 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig 
Signature check failed 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.sig 
Signature check failed 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig 
Signature check failed 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz 
Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.sig 
Signature check failed 
Collected errors: 
* Failed to download http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz, 
error 404 
* Failed to download http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig, 
error 404 
* Failed to download 
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz, error 404 
* Failed to download 
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404 
* Failed to download 
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404 
* Failed to download 
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 
* Failed to download 
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz, error 404 
* Failed to download 
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 
* Failed to download 
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404 
* Failed to download 
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# 





- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Fenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: community@lists.openmoko.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:14:11 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now 
available 

 Kevin Fenzi wrote: 
  I installed the unstable image, and tried to use either the 
  unstable or testing feeds here, and I get: 
  
  a bunch of: 
  Assuming locally installed package  is up to date. 
  
  then a bunch of: 
  
  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures 
  configured 
  
  Can't seem to install or update anything. ;( 
 
 Please post the contents of your /etc/opkg/*.conf files. I know that 
 both sets of feeds work, cause people have reported success with both 
 in the IRC channel (and I personally use the fso-testing feed 
 exclusively). 

Sigh. As you might have suspected, it was the result of PEBKAC. ;) 

I was missing the arch.conf file. 

Adding that in gets it working nicely. ;) 

 -- Rod 

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Re: Migration to 2008.08

2008-08-21 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Dale Maggee wrote:
 1. I don't think so, mainly because of bug # 1766 - can't be used as a 
 phone. YMMV.

Try using the workaround I've posted [1] using the attached 
libficgta01vendor.so. It seems it makes telephony working in 2008.08 too.

[1] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1766#comment:60

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions

2008-08-21 Thread Aapo Rantalainen
Nice looking keyboard. Excluding Home and End there are
AllWhatCanNeed. (maybe on arrows with shift?) There are some button
which do not work on my debian. Do they work on yours?
shift+7  = ?should be /
shift+0  = +should be =
shift+.   = : should be ;

öä and umlaut-u do not affected by CAPSLOCK.

y and z are swapped (joke)

-Aapo Rantalainen




2008/8/21 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 First of all i must say that i'm quite impressed with debian on the
 freerunner. It runs quite smooth most of the time and the software
 choices are realy nice. :)

 There is a thing what i found out about the matchbox keyboard. The
 standard layout is quite bad so i tried my customized from 2007.2 which
 doesn't work at all (i already read about this problem). After a long
 try and error session i found out why it doesn't work. The matchbox
 keyboard which comes with debian seems not to get along with the
 action=modifier:layout tag. After i found out i removed all
 alternative layouts and it worked with my nice german layout with f-keys
 and everithing which is on the keyboard. :)
 If someone is interested in the german layout with f-keys i attached.


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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions

2008-08-21 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 First thing is that i can't find the setting, when the display dims the
 brightness. The default setting dims it after some minutes (~3-5 min, i
 didn't measure it) what is way to late for battery usage. Also it would

At the moment you need to edit the source:

1) apt-get source fso-frameworkd
2) edit fso-frameworkd*/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py around 
line 58
3) fakeroot apt-get --build source fso-frameworkd
4) dpkg -i fso-frameworkd*deb

 ne nice to set the maximum brightness and not always maximum (63).

1) apt-get source zhone
2) edit zhone*/src/zhone around line 1924
3) fakeroot apt-get --build source zhone
4) dpkg -i zhone*deb

 Then i wanted to use openoffice, what would make me really happy because
 i only use OO on my desktop as well. But after i inetalled it i can't
 start it. When i try to start any OO app i got the following error message

 /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice: line 365:  2088 Illegal instruction
 $sd_prog/$sd_binary $@

 where the second number increases with every try. soffice seems to be
 a start script, but i can't find the problem why it doesn't work. :(

You probably should try openoffice under qemu. If you can reproduce it
there you should file a bug to bugs.debian.org.

 Then i wanted to ask if there exists a recent navit version for debian.

You can create a package easily:

1) wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/navit/navit-0.0.4.tar.gz
2) tar zxf navit-0.0.4.tar.gz
3) cd navit-0.0.4
4) dh_make -s -f ../navit-0.0.4.tar.gz
5) edit debian/rules and change line that calls ./configure to read only

./configure $(CROSS) --prefix=/usr

6) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
7) sudo dpkg -i ../navit*deb

This quick'n'dirty packaking took only a few minutes but the package seems to 
work:

http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/debian-navit1.png

To create armel package you probably want to

qemubuilder --build navit_0.0.4-1.dsc

since building navit on your freerunner might take a while.

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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-21 Thread Vince M. Clark
That is exactly where I downloaded the build. my-distribution.org was in all 
the /etc/opkg/*.conf files by default. Is there a wiki page somewhere that 
explains how to configure my sources? 

- Original Message - 
From: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:47:41 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now 
available 

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 I installed FSO testing build. Will opkg upgrade keep it current? I have the 
 following files in /etc/opkg/ 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# ls -al 
 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 . 
 drwxr-xr-x 37 root root 0 Aug 22 07:10 .. 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62 Jan 1 1970 all-feed.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 115 Jan 1 1970 arch.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 68 Jan 1 1970 armv4t-feed.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 74 Jan 1 1970 fic-gta02-feed.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70 Jan 1 1970 neo1973-feed.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 72 Jan 1 1970 om-gta02-feed.conf 
 
 Should I edit one or more of these files before trying to upgrade? 
 When I run opkg update I get: 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# opkg update 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Collected errors: 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to downloade-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/rem 
 http://my-distribution.org/remotote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# 
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kevin Fenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:14:11 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
 Subject: Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now 
 available 
 
 Kevin Fenzi wrote: 
  I installed the unstable image, and tried to use either the 
  unstable or testing feeds here, and I get: 
  
  a bunch of: 
  Assuming locally installed package  is up to date. 
  
  then a bunch of: 
  
  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures 
  configured 
  
  Can't seem to install or update anything. ;( 
 
 Please post the contents of your /etc/opkg/*.conf files. I know that 
 both sets of feeds work, cause people have reported success with both 
 in the IRC channel (and I personally use the fso-testing feed 
 exclusively). 
 
 Sigh. As you might have suspected, it was the result of PEBKAC. ;) 
 
 I was missing the arch.conf file. 
 
 Adding that in gets it working nicely. ;) 
 
 -- Rod 
 
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http://my-distribution.org does not contain any feeds 

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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-21 Thread Yorick Moko
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That is exactly where I downloaded the build. my-distribution.org was in all
 the /etc/opkg/*.conf files by default. Is there a wiki page somewhere that
 explains how to configure my sources?

 - Original Message -
 From: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:47:41 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver
 Subject: Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now
 available

 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 I installed FSO testing build. Will opkg upgrade keep it current? I have
 the
 following files in /etc/opkg/
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# ls -al
 drwxr-xr-x2 root root0 Jan  1  1970 .
 drwxr-xr-x   37 root root0 Aug 22 07:10 ..
 -rw-r--r--1 root root   62 Jan  1  1970 all-feed.conf
 -rw-r--r--1 root root  115 Jan  1  1970 arch.conf
 -rw-r--r--1 root root   68 Jan  1  1970 armv4t-feed.conf
 -rw-r--r--1 root root   74 Jan  1  1970
 fic-gta02-feed.conf
 -rw-r--r--1 root root   70 Jan  1  1970 neo1973-feed.conf
 -rw-r--r--1 root root   72 Jan  1  1970 om-gta02-feed.conf

 Should I edit one or more of these files before trying to upgrade?
 When I run opkg update I get:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# opkg update
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig
 Signature check failed
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig
 Signature check failed
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.sig
 Signature check failed
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig
 Signature check failed
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.sig
 Signature check failed
 Collected errors:
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz, error 404
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig, error 404
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz, error 404
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz, error 404
  * Failed to downloade-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/rem
 http://my-distribution.org/remotote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404
  * Failed to download
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg#





 - Original Message -
 From: Kevin Fenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:14:11 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver
 Subject: Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now
 available

 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
  I installed the unstable image, and tried to use either the
  unstable or testing feeds here, and I get:
 
  a bunch of:
  Assuming locally installed package  is up to date.
 
  then a bunch of:
 
  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures
  configured
 
  Can't seem to install or update anything. ;(

 Please post the contents of your /etc/opkg/*.conf files.  I know that
 both sets of feeds work, cause people have reported success with both
 in the IRC channel (and I personally use the fso-testing feed
 exclusively).

 Sigh. As you might have suspected, it was the result of PEBKAC. ;)

 I was missing the arch.conf file.

 Adding that in gets it working nicely. ;)

 -- Rod

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions

2008-08-21 Thread Fox Mulder
In the console the umlaute doesn't work at all. maybe i have to change
my language or font settings. When i try it in mousepad the umlaute
works and are affected by capslock.

shift+. = : is right.

; comes by shift+, (take look at the keyboard) :)

The problem with shift+7=? and shift+0=+ does here also appear. I think
these keys must be quoted or something, but i don't know for sure. In
the original files the / and ? are in no special way written, so i don't
know what this is.
I will try a few variations if i can get them to work properly. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
 Nice looking keyboard. Excluding Home and End there are
 AllWhatCanNeed. (maybe on arrows with shift?) There are some button
 which do not work on my debian. Do they work on yours?
 shift+7  = ?should be /
 shift+0  = +should be =
 shift+.   = : should be ;
 
 öä and umlaut-u do not affected by CAPSLOCK.
 
 y and z are swapped (joke)
 
 -Aapo Rantalainen
 
 
 
 
 2008/8/21 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 First of all i must say that i'm quite impressed with debian on the
 freerunner. It runs quite smooth most of the time and the software
 choices are realy nice. :)

 There is a thing what i found out about the matchbox keyboard. The
 standard layout is quite bad so i tried my customized from 2007.2 which
 doesn't work at all (i already read about this problem). After a long
 try and error session i found out why it doesn't work. The matchbox
 keyboard which comes with debian seems not to get along with the
 action=modifier:layout tag. After i found out i removed all
 alternative layouts and it worked with my nice german layout with f-keys
 and everithing which is on the keyboard. :)
 If someone is interested in the german layout with f-keys i attached.

 
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Re: Opie-Reader qpk for the Qtopia distro

2008-08-21 Thread undrwater

Tim,

I enjoyed opie-reader on the Zaurus...look forward to it on the Freerunner! 
I've been eagerly anticipating someone building a reader!

Thanks bunches...hope it's ASU capable soon.

Russell
-undrwater



Tim Wentford wrote:
 
 
 If it proves popular enough, and I can't get a build environment working,
 I'll go back to Qtopia again and sort it out.
 
 

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

2008-08-21 Thread Esben Stien
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 and luckily those smart fellas in kernel developer land.. made
 kernel overcommit.. a tunable parameter! and... cunningly.. on the
 FR (and as wel on my desktop) it's turned off! :) so... a moot point
 really. :)

I was more thinking of applications filling up RAM and then things
will have to be paged out if you don't want things to crash/get
killed. Something is definitely wrong if you're actually using the
swap area on this device, but things like this are observable with
vmstat. Unfortunately, you can't plug in more memory when you see that
your need exceeds the capacity of the device;).

A 128Mio space of memory is not that huge, especially if you want to
use it for something cool and you will at some points pass this mark
and things will die; given the current algorithm it might not be
something you want to get killed.

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Re: Navit patch for faster map dragging

2008-08-21 Thread Yohann (YC) Coppel
Wahou !
That is way faster than before ! great !

So, I can view the maps, calculate the directions, but It does not
read gps data.
I am using FSO, and apparently there is no gpsd in the repositories.

The svn version you are using should have the gypsy patch, but I don't
see any vehicle_gypsy in /usr/lib/navit/vehicle/. Is it compiled it
with some options (like --disable-gypsy) ? or something like that ? (I
don't see any --enable-gypsy ;) )
If so, could you rebuild it with gypsy enabled ? :) (don't have a
build env. setup yet)

Any other way to make it work in FSO ?

Thank you !

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Florian Hackenberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 18 August 2008, Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
 gdk_window_begin_paint_region
 gdk_window_end_paint
 It's funny, I did the opposite of what you did while working on my
 own version of tangoGPS, because I didn't like the white rectangles
 around. I'm afraid that using that method will negate any of your
 speed gains though.

 Thanks for identifying the relevant methods. I modified my patch and
 updated the ipk files on my server. I could not identify any negative
 impact on speed though. It seems to work just fine, panning feels a lot
 smoother compared to the previous version.

 Cheers,
Florian

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Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now available

2008-08-21 Thread Vince M. Clark
I replaced all the URLs in my opkg/*.conf files with URLs that point to 
http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/... 

I was able to map URLs in every file except fic-gta02-feed.conf. There is no 
fic-gta02 directory under http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ipk/ so I just 
removed that conf file. I can now do a successful opkg update. The only errors 
I get are related to signatures because there are no Packages.sig files on the 
server. 

When I run opkg upgrade it thinks for a minute then returns to the command 
prompt without upgrading any packages. Is it safe to assume that this is 
because nothing has changed since I installed my test build or did I do 
something wrong by removing the fic-gta02-feed.conf? 

- Original Message - 
From: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:03:37 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now 
available 

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 That is exactly where I downloaded the build. my-distribution.org was in all 
 the /etc/opkg/*.conf files by default. Is there a wiki page somewhere that 
 explains how to configure my sources? 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:47:41 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
 Subject: Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now 
 available 
 
 On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote: 
 
 I installed FSO testing build. Will opkg upgrade keep it current? I have 
 the 
 following files in /etc/opkg/ 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# ls -al 
 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 . 
 drwxr-xr-x 37 root root 0 Aug 22 07:10 .. 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 62 Jan 1 1970 all-feed.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 115 Jan 1 1970 arch.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 68 Jan 1 1970 armv4t-feed.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 74 Jan 1 1970 
 fic-gta02-feed.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 70 Jan 1 1970 neo1973-feed.conf 
 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 72 Jan 1 1970 om-gta02-feed.conf 
 
 Should I edit one or more of these files before trying to upgrade? 
 When I run opkg update I get: 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# opkg update 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz 
 Downloading http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.sig 
 Signature check failed 
 Collected errors: 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//all/Packages.sig, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//armv4t/Packages.sig, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//fic-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//neo1973/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to downloade-feed//neo1973/Packages.sig, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/rem 
 http://my-distribution.org/remotote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 404 
 * Failed to download 
 http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed//om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 404 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# 
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kevin Fenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org 
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:14:11 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
 Subject: Re: Testing and Unstable feeds for the FSO distribution are now 
 available 
 
 Kevin Fenzi wrote: 
  I installed the unstable image, and tried to use either the 
  unstable or testing feeds here, and I get: 
  
  a bunch of: 
  Assuming locally installed package  is up to date. 
  
  then a bunch of: 
  
  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures 
  configured 
  
  Can't seem to install or update anything. ;( 
 
 Please post the contents of your /etc/opkg/*.conf files. I know that 
 both sets of 

Re: Opie-Reader qpk for the Qtopia distro

2008-08-21 Thread Tim Wentford
I've got Qtopia working off my SD card now so I can do some more testing. I
added a little bit of gesture support so you can do page up/down by stroking
up/down the screen, zoom in/out by stroking right/left, and then the four
diagonal directions do back/forward/beginning/end but I can't remember which
is which ATM - I'll sort it all out better when I have a better handle on
how to make it work on the Freerunner.
You can also map the power button to page down (or any of the mappable
functions) which makes it much more bearable to use.

There seems to be some funnies in the way it interacts with qtopia -
especially on first start-up and in combo-boxes but it is reasonably usable
if you just want to read books but I don't think it is feed ready, yet. But
Lorn has permission to put it up there anytime he wants to.

The qtopia qpk is in the same place, but the ASU version is still awaiting
me having the time to work out how to compile qtopia apps for ASU. I may
have some spare time this weekend to give it another go.

2008/8/21 undrwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Tim,

 I enjoyed opie-reader on the Zaurus...look forward to it on the Freerunner!
 I've been eagerly anticipating someone building a reader!

 Thanks bunches...hope it's ASU capable soon.

 Russell
 -undrwater



 Tim Wentford wrote:
 
 
  If it proves popular enough, and I can't get a build environment working,
  I'll go back to Qtopia again and sort it out.
 
 

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