[FSO] Re: Freerunner's GSM Calypso Modem Firmware Upgrade...

2008-11-19 Thread ezuall

Great news,

I got myself a 3-mobile sim(UK) a while ago for testing the Neo, but that
never worked.  Now because I had another sim for my primary phone I didn't
worry too much about it, but giving that upgrading firmware for a GSM modem
sounded awfully cool I thought I'd give it a go (moko10b2).

The instructions on the wiki worked like a charm, and I got all the output
as predicted.

I'm running M4 at the moment, but from memory with 2008.x and qt Extended I
got something like No Sim Inserted in the past.

This has now changed to Failed to read authentication status.  Is this a
step in the right direction, or does M4 just have more robust error
notification?

Regards
ezuall
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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5

2008-11-19 Thread GoJian



Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 you should now simply get the new version(0.5) through the debian
 repository(apt-get install openmoko-panel-plugin) or via
 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openmoko-panel-plugin/
 
 Changelog:
 --
 -- 
 regards
  Sebastian Ohl
 
 

Hi, I really love openmoko-panel-plugin but today after an apt-get
dist-upgrade it got removed somehow.

When I try to install it again, here is what I get:
---
# apt-get install openmoko-panel-plugin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  openmoko-panel-plugin: Depends: fso-frameworkd but it is not going to be
installed
E: Broken packages


Yet I made sure that fso-frameworkd is already installed (maybe upgraded to
newer).  What should I do here to get the panel back?

Thanks,
GJ

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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5

2008-11-19 Thread Christian Adams
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hi GoJian,

Am 19.11.2008 um 09:20 schrieb GoJian:

 Hi, I really love openmoko-panel-plugin but today after an apt-get
 dist-upgrade it got removed somehow.

 When I try to install it again, here is what I get:
 ---
 # apt-get install openmoko-panel-plugin
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
 or been moved out of Incoming.

 Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely  
 that
 the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
 that package should be filed.
 The following information may help to resolve the situation:

 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   openmoko-panel-plugin: Depends: fso-frameworkd but it is not  
 going to be
 installed
 E: Broken packages

 
 Yet I made sure that fso-frameworkd is already installed (maybe  
 upgraded to
 newer).  What should I do here to get the panel back?

 Thanks,
 GJ

actually this is wanted behaviour since the available version of  
panel-pluign does not work with frameworkd ms4 yet.
if you want it to run for now you have to downgrade fso-frameworkd.

sebastian and i are working on this issue and a new version would be  
released soon

ciao,
christian (morlac) adams
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Re: [android] copy paste

2008-11-19 Thread Cédric Berger
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 20:18, Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just tried this method for pairing with my bluetooth keyboard. I can
copy from the calculator, and paste into the bluetooth PIN dialog (you
see the numbers briefly before they are converted to circles) but the
OK button in the dialog is never enabled :-( Will have to try with the
debug connection some time.


 i haven't checked, but wasn't the issue more about the BT API not being
 complete only with sound support? Although yes, pairing should work
 anyways...


I also tried with copy/paste from the calculator.
The blutooth PIN dialog OK button is still disabled, but if you press
power button, then it is activated

But I did not manage to pair with my PC :-(

Also... not easy when your PC generate a PIN number at connection
time... android dialog box is already opened, so you cannot go to
calculator to type these numbers !

Is there a way to switch between applications without closing them ?
(like you can in Qtopia by long press on aux)

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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-19 Thread Dale Maggee



Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos

solar.george
  


Brilliant!

1. Save either attachment somewhere
2. Use NeoTool or 'dfu-util -a splash -R -D filename' to flash the new 
splash to your neo

3. power down then turn on your neo
4. Laugh.

:D

-Dale


moko_brick.gz
Description: GNU Zip compressed data


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Description: GNU Zip compressed data
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[Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Walter Chang
i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft
keyboard so i made one.  I used the copy-and-paste functionality on Android
so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them.  to download:
http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and download
qad-keyboard.apk.  for instructions on installation and usage:
http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto .

enjoy,

walter chang
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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:07, Walter Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft
 keyboard so i made one.  I used the copy-and-paste functionality on Android
 so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them.  to download:
 http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and download
 qad-keyboard.apk.  for instructions on installation and usage:
 http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto .


Works for me.

Excellent, big thanks !!!

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released

2008-11-19 Thread Vladimir Koutny
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Hi Harald,

 Today I can proudly announce that we finally were able to take a step
 that has long been anticipated:  The public release of the schematics
 for our Debug Board v2.
...
 Oh, and yes, as soon as we start shipping DebugBoard v3, we will release
 those schematics without any further delay.

Is there any progress in this area? :)

What I'm looking for just now is the pinout for the new i2c/spi/irq header
included on v3 debug boards - but can't find it (nor the schematics for v3).

Regards,
  Vladimir
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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-19 Thread Stroller

On 18 Nov 2008, at 13:22, Nicola Mfb wrote:
 ...
 Yes! When someone asks me if it's a good idea to give a try to  
 gentoo (my preferred distro) I point them to:
 http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Gentoo
 :)


 From TFA:

Old-school Linux users were desperate to find a new way to feel
superior. Some migrated to versions of BSD, ...

I recently considered Solaris, but only briefly.

Stroller.

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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-19 Thread Stroller

On 18 Nov 2008, at 13:01, Dale Maggee wrote:
 ...
 Q: What's the difference between an iphone and a freerunner?
 A: One works but takes away your freedom, the other is free but needs
 your work

3 3 3

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Re: [debian] openmoko-panel-plugin 0.5

2008-11-19 Thread arne anka
 Hi, I really love openmoko-panel-plugin but today after an apt-get
 dist-upgrade it got removed somehow.

if you're using debian as sole or main distribution on your fr, you should  
subscribe to at least smartphone-userland -- a lot of debian related  
communication is going on _there_ (among other the announcement of the  
conflict between m4 and current opp in debian).

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Re: [android] copy paste

2008-11-19 Thread arne anka
still wondering: wouldn't be passkey-agent of any help?

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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Anders Kristiansen
Thanks!! Works very well!!

But is there any way to Open keyboard to compose message in messaging?

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Cédric Berger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:07, Walter Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft
 keyboard so i made one.  I used the copy-and-paste functionality on Android
 so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them.  to download:
 http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and download
 qad-keyboard.apk.  for instructions on installation and usage:
 http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto .


 Works for me.

 Excellent, big thanks !!!

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Re: [Om2008.9] gsmspeakerout.state

2008-11-19 Thread Alastair Johnson
Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Wednesday, November 19, 2008 a las 08:46:27AM +0530, Carl Lobo 
 escribió:
 
 I think you need to restore the gsm*.state files only when you are on
 call. the ringing from speaker requires mappings from stereoout.state.
 
 Ok, I think that without deeper knowledge about the files I'm lost. Can
 some kindly soul sheet a bit light into this darkness? I.e.
 - Why there are different files?

Because depending on what you are doing you want to send sound to 
different places, and with different levels. It is simpler to have a 
small set of files containing the mixer states for known situations than 
it is for every app to store all the mixer settings itself.

 - Which process is reading them, in which order and when?

Anything that wants to, whenever it wants to, more or less. Essentially 
if an app wants to use a particular mixer state then it makes a call to 
set the mixer to that state. FSO has a dbus API to make this a little 
more orderly, and qtopia may have something similar, but this doesn't 
prevent an app setting things directly.

Because it is up to the app to do the setting you may find that an app 
doesn't switch to the state you want, for example when you answer a call 
the phone app may switch to the gsm-handset state even though you have 
the headset plugged in.

 The Wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem
 speaks about 'states' like 'State: GSM - Built-in Handset (file
 gsmhandset.state)', but does not explain what a given 'state' is and how
 the transit between them happens...
 
 Thx
 
   matthias
 

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Re: [Paroli] Update #3

2008-11-19 Thread Mirko Lindner
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Hi,

I used the current tichy fresh from the git and adjusted the runparoli
page [1]. Should you have further problems please let me know and I'll
try to help and also start collecting for a FAQ or common problems
while installing.

Ah, btw there were some wrong references in the svn, I changed those as
well, I have now the same set-up locally, sorry about that.

Thanks,

/mirko

 
 Well, today I've followed your RunParoli wiki to get it working in my
 phone. I've used SHR as base updating the FSO framework and getting
 tichy and paroli from upstream (respectively from svn and git).
 
 Well, after applying the changes you've suggested I wasn't able to get
 Paroli running but only tichy-etk... Maybe my guy.py wasn't correct
 (since it doesn't seem to reflect the wiki), so please could you provide
 a fresh explanation?
 
 Thanks...
 
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Re: [Paroli] Update #3

2008-11-19 Thread Mirko Lindner
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Hi,

 On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 22:13 +0100, Mirko Lindner wrote:
 This is a version without functionality, but implementing this is not
 difficult and the dialer has been written to be easily adapted to
 actually work.

 The reason for this non-working is that the tichy-fso components do
 currently not work on the testing image and thus the phone doesn't
 register on a network. As soon as that is solved we'll implement the
 functions needed.
 Should be fixed on last git version of tichy. See this commit for the
 fix:
 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=tichy.git;a=commit;h=75ce9fa91083fea79e64a155ce809c0bb57b24c1
 

Unfortunately it still doesn't manage to request the gsm resource :(
Neither command line nor gui show any changes ...

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Re: [Qt Extended] Mapping Demo (was Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems)

2008-11-19 Thread superalex


Hi, I'm using FSO since yesterday and found that the famous echo bug was
still appearing. I found a solution that is working for me based in the
2008.8 one.

In file
/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py,
function percentCPI, line 210 aprox

Where it says:
info = {}   
   

I have:
devchannel =
self._object.modem.communicationChannel(DeviceMediator)   
  
devchannel.enqueue( %N0187 )
info = {}   
   


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Re: FSO M4 - nice GSM sound

2008-11-19 Thread superalex


Hi, I'm using FSO since yesterday and found that the famous echo bug was
still appearing. I found a solution that is working for me based in the
2008.8 one.

In file
/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py,
function percentCPI, line 210 aprox

Where it says:
info = {}   
   

I have:
devchannel =
self._object.modem.communicationChannel(DeviceMediator)   
  
devchannel.enqueue( %N0187 )
info = {}   
   


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Where is startup log?

2008-11-19 Thread Leonti Bielski
Hello!
I'm using SHR. I've installed some applications, did opkg upgrade and
now illume doesn't start.
It loads illume (I can see very nice progress bar), but then it return
to console which says something like:
om-gta02 login: 31 om-gta02 tty1ered by Angstrom om-gta02 tty1 SPANK SPANK!***

Anyways, where can I get startup log files to investigate the origin
of the problem?

Thanks. Leonti

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Re: [QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?

2008-11-19 Thread Margo Koppelmann
I'm using this image -
http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with-SystemRingTones.jffs2-
and the stable mwester kernel. There is no terminal applicatsion, I
can't
enter passwords in the web browser, there's strange loud sound during calls
when gprs is configured and sometimes it thinks it's plugged in when it
actually isn't, but otherwise it's good. It's much more stable, than 4.4.1
was.



On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Alishams Hassam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been using qtextended  with mwester's kernel as a daily phone.
 Using even the unstable kernel, ontop of daily phone features (making
 and receiving calls, txt msgs, caller id, contacts off sim) it also
 suspends/resumes perfect, can play mp3's with the media player (using
 the headphones as well), and transfer files to the SD card. Should you
 have any problems, you can always switch to the stable kernel.
 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html is where you will find the kernels. The
 only issue I have had is a missing terminal shortcut when I used the
 binary update for 4.4.1 to 4.4.2. Since you're not doing that, it should
 be fine :)

 On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 11:22 +, Russell Hay wrote:
  Hi list,
 
  I know there is the 'official' QTExtended image on qtextended.org -
  but there have also been various discussions on the list about using
  mwesters kernel and some other changes/patches not reflected in the
  qtextended package. What's the most stable version that I can trial as
  a 'day to day' handset.
 
  I'll even volunteer to update the wiki with the information :-o
 
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[QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?

2008-11-19 Thread Russell Hay
Hi list,

I know there is the 'official' QTExtended image on qtextended.org - but
there have also been various discussions on the list about using mwesters
kernel and some other changes/patches not reflected in the qtextended
package. What's the most stable version that I can trial as a 'day to day'
handset.

I'll even volunteer to update the wiki with the information :-o

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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-19 Thread Stroller

On 19 Nov 2008, at 08:46, Dale Maggee wrote:
 Q: What's the difference between a brick and a freerunner?
 A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls.
 Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos


 Brilliant!

 1. Save either attachment somewhere
 2. Use NeoTool or 'dfu-util -a splash -R -D filename' to flash the  
 new splash to your neo
 3. power down then turn on your neo
 4. Laugh.

 :D

 -Dale
 moko_brick.gz

I find the idea of flashing an attachment called moko_brick somewhat  
ominous.

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Re: [QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?

2008-11-19 Thread Alishams Hassam
I have been using qtextended  with mwester's kernel as a daily phone.
Using even the unstable kernel, ontop of daily phone features (making
and receiving calls, txt msgs, caller id, contacts off sim) it also
suspends/resumes perfect, can play mp3's with the media player (using
the headphones as well), and transfer files to the SD card. Should you
have any problems, you can always switch to the stable kernel.
http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html is where you will find the kernels. The
only issue I have had is a missing terminal shortcut when I used the
binary update for 4.4.1 to 4.4.2. Since you're not doing that, it should
be fine :)

On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 11:22 +, Russell Hay wrote:
 Hi list, 
 
 I know there is the 'official' QTExtended image on qtextended.org -
 but there have also been various discussions on the list about using
 mwesters kernel and some other changes/patches not reflected in the
 qtextended package. What's the most stable version that I can trial as
 a 'day to day' handset. 
 
 I'll even volunteer to update the wiki with the information :-o
 
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Re: [Om2008.9] gsmspeakerout.state

2008-11-19 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, November 18, 2008 a las 06:48:23PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
escribió:

 I'm not entirely sure this helps, but I just noticed with SHR release, the 
 speakerphone works! Maybe you could use the configuration from there?
 
 James
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

After more tests (and thanks to some private mails with explanations) I
have the puzzle now together and nearly all is there in Om2008.9 to use
the speakerout too;

one don't need extending the desktop to launch 'alsactl -f
gsmspeakerout.state restore'; when you're in a call there is a small
menue on the left buttom side called 'Options' which let you switch
between 'handset' and 'speakerout';

I did some small changes in the file 
/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmspeakerout.state
to remove the echo the called party has of his/her own voice, here are
the changes in its context:

control.5 { 
comment.access 'read write' 
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 1 
comment.range '0 - 127' 
iface MIXER 
name 'Mono Playback Volume' 
value 104 *** was 103, but 105 gives echo again
}  

control.48 {
comment.access 'read write' 
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 1 
comment.range '0 - 3'   
iface MIXER 
name 'Mic2 Capture Volume'  
value 1 *** was 0, 2-3 gives echo again
}  

control.63 {
comment.access 'read write' 
comment.type ENUMERATED 
comment.count 1 
comment.item.0 'Left PGA'   
comment.item.1 'Mic 1'  
comment.item.2 'Mic 2'  
comment.item.3 'Right PGA'  
iface MIXER 
name 'Mic Sidetone Mux' 
value 'Left PGA' ** was 'Mic 2' and causing echo
} 

With the above changes I'ld call 'speakerout' not optimal, but at least
working;
  
Maybe someone who is using SHR could send me the mentioned file to give
it a test or compare it; thanks in advance

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Re: FSO M4 - nice GSM sound

2008-11-19 Thread Richy
Thanks for that message: it's working great! YEAH, now I can actually start
calling people again ;)

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:24, superalex [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Hi, I'm using FSO since yesterday and found that the famous echo bug was
 still appearing. I found a solution that is working for me based in the
 2008.8 one.

 In file

 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py,
 function percentCPI, line 210 aprox

 Where it says:
info = {}

 I have:
devchannel =
 self._object.modem.communicationChannel(DeviceMediator)
devchannel.enqueue( %N0187 )
info = {}


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Re: [QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?

2008-11-19 Thread Pander
Same here, only experienced loud sound only once. Also all my sim contacts
are lost during upgrade somehow. QtExtended is not working well with
updating sim contacts etc.

Waiting for next release OM with next FDOM, hope this will be the biggest
(packages) and most stable (kernel).


On Wed, November 19, 2008 14:24, Margo Koppelmann wrote:
 I'm using this image -
 http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with-SystemRingTones.jffs2-
 and the stable mwester kernel. There is no terminal applicatsion, I
 can't
 enter passwords in the web browser, there's strange loud sound during
 calls
 when gprs is configured and sometimes it thinks it's plugged in when it
 actually isn't, but otherwise it's good. It's much more stable, than 4.4.1
 was.



 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Alishams Hassam 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been using qtextended  with mwester's kernel as a daily phone.
 Using even the unstable kernel, ontop of daily phone features (making
 and receiving calls, txt msgs, caller id, contacts off sim) it also
 suspends/resumes perfect, can play mp3's with the media player (using
 the headphones as well), and transfer files to the SD card. Should you
 have any problems, you can always switch to the stable kernel.
 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html is where you will find the kernels. The
 only issue I have had is a missing terminal shortcut when I used the
 binary update for 4.4.1 to 4.4.2. Since you're not doing that, it should
 be fine :)

 On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 11:22 +, Russell Hay wrote:
  Hi list,
 
  I know there is the 'official' QTExtended image on qtextended.org -
  but there have also been various discussions on the list about using
  mwesters kernel and some other changes/patches not reflected in the
  qtextended package. What's the most stable version that I can trial as
  a 'day to day' handset.
 
  I'll even volunteer to update the wiki with the information :-o
 
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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Walter Chang
the text field in messaging does not support cut-and-paste and there is no
way i can change that :-( .  on the other hand, it will be pretty simple to
put together a simple (quick and dirty) sms sender app for android.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Anders Kristiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Thanks!! Works very well!!

 But is there any way to Open keyboard to compose message in messaging?

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Cédric Berger
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:07, Walter Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft
  keyboard so i made one.  I used the copy-and-paste functionality on
 Android
  so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them.  to
 download:
  http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and download
  qad-keyboard.apk.  for instructions on installation and usage:
  http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto .
 
 
  Works for me.
 
  Excellent, big thanks !!!
 
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released

2008-11-19 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi  19. November 2008 schrieb Vladimir Koutny:
 Hi Harald,
 
  Today I can proudly announce that we finally were able to take a step
  that has long been anticipated:  The public release of the schematics
  for our Debug Board v2.
 ...
  Oh, and yes, as soon as we start shipping DebugBoard v3, we will release
  those schematics without any further delay.
 
 Is there any progress in this area? :)
 
 What I'm looking for just now is the pinout for the new i2c/spi/irq header
 included on v3 debug boards - but can't find it (nor the schematics for v3).


I short search on our documentation server revealed this:
http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf

Not checked yet for correctness of schematics, or if this even is what the 
name suggests.
Anyway HTH ;-)

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Re: [2008.x] Settings app not working

2008-11-19 Thread Benedikt Schindler
Ivar Mossin schrieb:
 Installing a clean testing-image and the settings app worked.
 [...]

 But my conclusion seems to be that the settings app is working 
 (although not scrolling) using a clean testing image. However, 
 installing a stable image, then upgrading to testing by changing the 
 opkg repository links, the settings application breaks. Even when 
 doing it from a clean stable image. So I guess there is a bug that has 
 to be addressed there to avoid the package conflict or whatever it is 
 causing the breakage.

have you done a opkg update  opkg upgrade with the working testing 
image, yet?


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Re: [2008.x] Settings app not working

2008-11-19 Thread Marek Lindner
On Wednesday 19 November 2008 22:29:58 Ivar Mossin wrote:
 So... What would have been the preverred way of figuring which packages I
 would need to install? Is there a list somewhere on the net/wiki/anywhere
 else? Are there some meta-packages I could have installed instead, like
 'opkg install phone-software' ?

For this purpose we have meta packages (packages beginning with task-*). I 
believe for Qtopia on X11 it was:
opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11


 But my conclusion seems to be that the settings app is working (although
 not scrolling) using a clean testing image. However, installing a stable
 image, then upgrading to testing by changing the opkg repository links, the
 settings application breaks. Even when doing it from a clean stable image.
 So I guess there is a bug that has to be addressed there to avoid the
 package conflict or whatever it is causing the breakage.

Thanks for reporting this.


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axfs

2008-11-19 Thread Vinzenz Hersche
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Hello there,

i don't know if this topic was already a discussion, but i think, if
openmoko could change to axfs,  i belive, it's a great performance-step.

shure, the software had already enough bugs and this isn't the most
important thing. there's also enough to do, but: maybe there is
someone with enough time who want to implement these fs..

http://axfs.sourceforge.net/wordpress/?page_id=10

jffs2 isn't so bad, and i don't know the failures of this system (it's
a little bit new), but maybe it's stable enough.

so the community know now this system, if someone like it, hack it in!
:) (i've not enough time and expirience.. sorry.. :( )

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Re: [Om2008.9] gsmspeakerout.state

2008-11-19 Thread Vasco Névoa
I really don't like the fact that the state files have ALL the  
controls in there.
Can't we eliminate the unnecessary controls inside each file?
I don't see why a speakerout.state file should have microphone  
settings... it just adds to the confusion, and creates competition  
between apps.

Citando Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Wednesday, November 19, 2008 a las 08:46:27AM +0530, Carl  
 Lobo escribió:

 I think you need to restore the gsm*.state files only when you are on
 call. the ringing from speaker requires mappings from stereoout.state.

 Ok, I think that without deeper knowledge about the files I'm lost. Can
 some kindly soul sheet a bit light into this darkness? I.e.
 - Why there are different files?

 Because depending on what you are doing you want to send sound to
 different places, and with different levels. It is simpler to have a
 small set of files containing the mixer states for known situations than
 it is for every app to store all the mixer settings itself.

 - Which process is reading them, in which order and when?

 Anything that wants to, whenever it wants to, more or less. Essentially
 if an app wants to use a particular mixer state then it makes a call to
 set the mixer to that state. FSO has a dbus API to make this a little
 more orderly, and qtopia may have something similar, but this doesn't
 prevent an app setting things directly.

 Because it is up to the app to do the setting you may find that an app
 doesn't switch to the state you want, for example when you answer a call
 the phone app may switch to the gsm-handset state even though you have
 the headset plugged in.

 The Wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem
 speaks about 'states' like 'State: GSM - Built-in Handset (file
 gsmhandset.state)', but does not explain what a given 'state' is and how
 the transit between them happens...

 Thx

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released

2008-11-19 Thread Vladimir Koutny
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Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 Am Mi  19. November 2008 schrieb Vladimir Koutny:
 Hi Harald,

 Today I can proudly announce that we finally were able to take a step
 that has long been anticipated:  The public release of the schematics
 for our Debug Board v2.
 ...
 Oh, and yes, as soon as we start shipping DebugBoard v3, we will release
 those schematics without any further delay.
 Is there any progress in this area? :)

 What I'm looking for just now is the pinout for the new i2c/spi/irq header
 included on v3 debug boards - but can't find it (nor the schematics for v3).
 
 
 I short search on our documentation server revealed this:
 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf

Oh, nice..

May I ask for one more thing - permissions? ;)

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access 
/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf on this server.

Thanks,
  Vladimir

 
 Not checked yet for correctness of schematics, or if this even is what the 
 name suggests.
 Anyway HTH ;-)
 
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new application: AaTerm-terminal (patched openmoko-terminal2)

2008-11-19 Thread Aapo Rantalainen
I want good terminal to my phone. I know only xterm and
openmoko-terminal2 (qt might have own?).

I made some improvements on openmoko-terminal2. Meanwhile upstream is
thinking what to do with my pathces, I release AaTerm. It is not
really fork, just patched openmoko-terminal2, but now you can install
it while having openmoko-terminal installed.

Instructions and package:
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/rantalai/freerunner/aaterm/

Tell me what is missing?

(It will looks cooler when 'underlying' libraries are updated. E.g I
must disable all icons, because they do not fit, and use instead
text-labels.)

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Re: [Om2008.9] gsmspeakerout.state

2008-11-19 Thread Angus Ainslie
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Vasco Névoa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I really don't like the fact that the state files have ALL the
 controls in there.
 Can't we eliminate the unnecessary controls inside each file?
 I don't see why a speakerout.state file should have microphone
 settings... it just adds to the confusion, and creates competition
 between apps.


If the file doesn't contain all of the controls then the audio routing may
not end up the way you want. To only contain some of the controls you would
need to have different files depending on which state you are transitioning
from as well as which state you want to transition to. This would be much
worse than just having to know which state you want to transition to.

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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Walter Chang wrote:
 the text field in messaging does not support cut-and-paste and there is
 no way i can change that :-( .  on the other hand, it will be pretty
 simple to put together a simple (quick and dirty) sms sender app for
 android.

Why not patching the default one instead?

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Re: [Om2008.9] gsmspeakerout.state

2008-11-19 Thread Alastair Johnson
Vasco Névoa wrote:
 I really don't like the fact that the state files have ALL the  
 controls in there.
 Can't we eliminate the unnecessary controls inside each file?
 I don't see why a speakerout.state file should have microphone  
 settings... it just adds to the confusion, and creates competition  
 between apps.

Because the other controls are _not_ unnecessary. If you just ignore the 
  mic settings you could end up with Mic2 enabled with high gain, 
routing through to the speaker and generating horrible feedback. Other 
unexpected weird audio routing problems will crop up, and be next to 
impossible to debug since it won't be clear which combination of 
settings applied in which order were responsible for creating the 
problem, let alone which app was 'responsible' for the problem.

 Citando Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 Matthias Apitz wrote:
 El día Wednesday, November 19, 2008 a las 08:46:27AM +0530, Carl  
 Lobo escribió:

 I think you need to restore the gsm*.state files only when you are on
 call. the ringing from speaker requires mappings from stereoout.state.
 Ok, I think that without deeper knowledge about the files I'm lost. Can
 some kindly soul sheet a bit light into this darkness? I.e.
 - Why there are different files?
 Because depending on what you are doing you want to send sound to
 different places, and with different levels. It is simpler to have a
 small set of files containing the mixer states for known situations than
 it is for every app to store all the mixer settings itself.

 - Which process is reading them, in which order and when?
 Anything that wants to, whenever it wants to, more or less. Essentially
 if an app wants to use a particular mixer state then it makes a call to
 set the mixer to that state. FSO has a dbus API to make this a little
 more orderly, and qtopia may have something similar, but this doesn't
 prevent an app setting things directly.

 Because it is up to the app to do the setting you may find that an app
 doesn't switch to the state you want, for example when you answer a call
 the phone app may switch to the gsm-handset state even though you have
 the headset plugged in.

 The Wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem
 speaks about 'states' like 'State: GSM - Built-in Handset (file
 gsmhandset.state)', but does not explain what a given 'state' is and how
 the transit between them happens...

 Thx

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released

2008-11-19 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi  19. November 2008 schrieb Vladimir Koutny:
  I short search on our documentation server revealed this:
  
http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf
 
 Oh, nice..
 
 May I ask for one more thing - permissions? ;)
 
 Forbidden
 You don't have permission to 
 access /joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf on this 
 server.  

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Re: new application: AaTerm-terminal (patched openmoko-terminal2)

2008-11-19 Thread Tilman Baumann
Aapo Rantalainen wrote:

 Instructions and package:
 http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/rantalai/freerunner/aaterm/
 
 Tell me what is missing?
Well, looks nice. (From a user point of view)
I really like the idea of the right side toolbar.

Some questions. Does it invoke the keyboard when you select the text 
area? (illume keyboard)
The current terminal does not, which is rather annoying.
And what is this copy button for, intuitively I would think there is a 
paste button missing.

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[FSO] First steps

2008-11-19 Thread julien cubizolles
I just installed FSO and I'm quite happy with it : it seems the most
reponsive distribution I have yet used. I still have some questions :

Addressbook : Is there a way to import a former qtopia sqlite file ? I
read some discussions inconclusive about it, is there some advances ?

Calendar : openmoko-calendar2 isn't available in repositories. What can
I use ? I

GPS : do I need to click the map icon in zhone to powerup the antenna
and use it with tangogps ? What are the three upper buttons supposed to
do in the Zone gps application ? The first one displays
latitude/longitude... (right now it displays N/A but I'm inside...)
The second and third one open some window with obviously resolution and
colors issues.

Power Management settings: The settings from the wrench menu in illume
don't seem to have any effect : the phone dims + blanks + locks after a
minute or so even I set the blank time to off and doesn't suspend even
though the suspend time after blank is 1s.


Suspend : according to the wiki, you need to press the power button for
2 s to suspend the phone. It doesn't work for me, just powers it off
after 7-8 s.

Sound : What's the best way to adjust the sound level ? I guess there's
still no GUI for that. I've tried playing with several .state files
during my first tries with other distributions but things change fast on
this topic : what is the control to adjust ?

Several applications from the Home menu (terminal, Htop for instance)
won't start.

I'm running :
fso-image-om-gta02.jffs2
uImage-2.6.24+r8
+gitr968c41d0c32099d78927849a71e2ef3143cc05e7-r8-om-gta02.bin
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Re: new application: AaTerm-terminal (patched openmoko-terminal2)

2008-11-19 Thread Tilman Baumann
Tilman Baumann wrote:
 Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
 
 Tell me what is missing?

I just installed it.
 Some questions. Does it invoke the keyboard when you select the text 
 area? (illume keyboard)
Does not, pitty.
 The current terminal does not, which is rather annoying.
 And what is this copy button for, intuitively I would think there is a 
 paste button missing.
I just got the idea how that works. Not bad.



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released

2008-11-19 Thread Vladimir Koutny
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Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf
 Oh, nice..

 May I ask for one more thing - permissions? ;)

 Forbidden
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 ooops, sorry ~~
 fixed

Thanks, this is what I was looking for :)

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Re: Calling interested Glamo OpenGL developers (was: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)

2008-11-19 Thread Iain B. Findleton
For those of you who are interested in the fltkwish package for the FR,
I have added a couple of ipk packages to the SF repository. The fb2image
package is a small screen shot utility that is capable of generating
either png or jpg images from a sub-window of the FR screen. The
fltkwishlibs package contains the pre-built Tcl 8.4, Mesa 7.03 (OpenGL,
GLU) and TIFF 3.0 libs. All of this is installed under the /usr/local
path, which I have on my SD card to save space on the FR itself.

The sources for these libs are widely available on the net, and the
binaries are just builds of the unmodified sources using the ARM tool chain.

Have fun. Send complaints to my regular e-mail.

Iain F.

Iain B. Findleton wrote:
 Okay, for those of you who would like to test out this thing on your FR,
 you can get an ipk from the fltkwish project on sourceforge.net. Once
 you have Tcl on your phone (opkg install tcl), and the required
 graphics libraries, you can do a quick test with the following script:

 #!/bin/sh
 # \
 exec fltkwish $0 ${1+$@}
 #
 # Create an Image widget and load up a file
 #
 Image t.t -f myfile.jpg -w 460 -h 570 -autoscale false -center false;

 Show t

 You can now drag the image about with your finger, or pen. On my machine
 the dragging is nice and smooth. You should have an image that is bigger
 than the display screen to fully appreciate the results.

 If you have troubles, and if you have read the documentation and still
 have troubles, feel free to contact me.

 Iain F.



 Petr Vanek wrote:
   
 On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:58:41 -0500
 Iain B. Findleton
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (IBF) wrote:

   
 
 No problem, although my setup is not opkg ready yet. As my stuff uses
 Tcl, libjpeg,libpng,libtiff, the setup is not pretty yet, but if you
 are a Linux handyman type, it can be done. Otherwise, it will have to
 wait until I get around to package it all up...
 
   
 Yes please, do share anyways,

 thank you

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Re: Freerunner's GSM Calypso Modem Firmware Upgrade...

2008-11-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Mostly useless, then. The improvements wrt. +CSIM won't affect basic 
 operation.

Is there a detailed changelog available for all the earlier versions?
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Re: Font size problem #2

2008-11-19 Thread Michael Mather


Michael Mather wrote:
 
 I am running FDOM and I think that font sizes are being handled wrongly. 
 ...
 So the default font size has been set (somewhere, I wish I knew where) to
 5.
 

I have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to find where the basic
font sizes are set. I have found many such places, but when I change them it
seems to make no difference.

Please can someone tell me the real place.

Michael
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hypermiling SHR for GPS-only usage?

2008-11-19 Thread Joerg Lippmann
Turn off the Airconditioning and use higher tyre pressure?

How can I reduce the energy usage to a minimum when I just want to use my OM 
as a GPS-only device? Is ist enough to remove the GSM card to shutdown the 
phone stack? How can I stop other hungry service? 

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Re: hypermiling SHR for GPS-only usage?

2008-11-19 Thread Julien Cassignol
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Joerg Lippmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Turn off the Airconditioning and use higher tyre pressure?

 How can I reduce the energy usage to a minimum when I just want to use my OM
 as a GPS-only device? Is ist enough to remove the GSM card to shutdown the
 phone stack? How can I stop other hungry service?

I plan to include something to disable GSM in the settings. It'll get
done soon :-)

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Re: [FSO] First steps

2008-11-19 Thread arne anka
 Suspend : according to the wiki, you need to press the power button for
 2 s to suspend the phone. It doesn't work for me, just powers it off
 after 7-8 s.

in ms4 you need only to press shortly, no hold anymore.

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Re: [QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?

2008-11-19 Thread drac2000

Can you please refer me right paths ?
Me 2 i am using the qextended as my daily phone
I downloaded the image + rootfs from qtexetended.org version 4.2.2
But i experienced a lot of problems with mp3 player Sound speaker out if I
plug the headphones !!

Would you suggest me to install only the image file from
http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html ?

Another question for you please: Could you have a video file played properly
on any of the qtextended releases?
I was trying to do so with an avi 320*240 file but it was complaining about
not supported file. Do you have any experience with video file types
supported by qtextended

Thanks a lot


Alishams Hassam-2 wrote:
 
 I have been using qtextended  with mwester's kernel as a daily phone.
 Using even the unstable kernel, ontop of daily phone features (making
 and receiving calls, txt msgs, caller id, contacts off sim) it also
 suspends/resumes perfect, can play mp3's with the media player (using
 the headphones as well), and transfer files to the SD card. Should you
 have any problems, you can always switch to the stable kernel.
 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html is where you will find the kernels. The
 only issue I have had is a missing terminal shortcut when I used the
 binary update for 4.4.1 to 4.4.2. Since you're not doing that, it should
 be fine :)
 
 On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 11:22 +, Russell Hay wrote:
 Hi list, 
 
 I know there is the 'official' QTExtended image on qtextended.org -
 but there have also been various discussions on the list about using
 mwesters kernel and some other changes/patches not reflected in the
 qtextended package. What's the most stable version that I can trial as
 a 'day to day' handset. 
 
 I'll even volunteer to update the wiki with the information :-o
 
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Re: new application: AaTerm-terminal (patched openmoko-terminal2)

2008-11-19 Thread Aapo Rantalainen
Paste:
First select text on any tab, then go to any tab and press paste.
Selected text will be pasted. (Similar to openmoko-terminal).

Does it invoke the keyboard when you select the text area? (illume keyboard)

Any hints how to do this?
Does Fdom use illume keyboard?
I have problem. When user press any toolbar button, the keyboard
hides, I thought it is not good, and I solved it.
Are these two things joined together?

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Re: [QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?

2008-11-19 Thread Pander
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images

please update with later versions or alternatives

drac2000 wrote:
 Can you please refer me right paths ?
 Me 2 i am using the qextended as my daily phone
 I downloaded the image + rootfs from qtexetended.org version 4.2.2
 But i experienced a lot of problems with mp3 player Sound speaker out if I
 plug the headphones !!
 
 Would you suggest me to install only the image file from
 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html ?
 
 Another question for you please: Could you have a video file played properly
 on any of the qtextended releases?
 I was trying to do so with an avi 320*240 file but it was complaining about
 not supported file. Do you have any experience with video file types
 supported by qtextended
 
 Thanks a lot
 
 
 Alishams Hassam-2 wrote:
 I have been using qtextended  with mwester's kernel as a daily phone.
 Using even the unstable kernel, ontop of daily phone features (making
 and receiving calls, txt msgs, caller id, contacts off sim) it also
 suspends/resumes perfect, can play mp3's with the media player (using
 the headphones as well), and transfer files to the SD card. Should you
 have any problems, you can always switch to the stable kernel.
 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html is where you will find the kernels. The
 only issue I have had is a missing terminal shortcut when I used the
 binary update for 4.4.1 to 4.4.2. Since you're not doing that, it should
 be fine :)

 On Wed, 2008-11-19 at 11:22 +, Russell Hay wrote:
 Hi list, 

 I know there is the 'official' QTExtended image on qtextended.org -
 but there have also been various discussions on the list about using
 mwesters kernel and some other changes/patches not reflected in the
 qtextended package. What's the most stable version that I can trial as
 a 'day to day' handset. 

 I'll even volunteer to update the wiki with the information :-o

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SIM STK Support

2008-11-19 Thread Lionel Brahami (Famoco)
Hi all,

i would like to know if GT02 support SIM STK.   If no, is there a plan to
support it ?

I saw this post here:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-March/09.html
just wanted to know if there is any progress on that side.

Thanks,
Lionel
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[debian] silly question about synaptics drivers

2008-11-19 Thread Davide Scaini
is it possible to use synaptics drivers to control touchscreen (instead of
ts...)? ;-)
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Re: [Qt Extended] Mapping Demo (was Re: [FSO] Stability and other problems)

2008-11-19 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Wednesday 19 November 2008 12:18:28 schrieb superalex:
 Hi, I'm using FSO since yesterday and found that the famous echo bug was
 still appearing. I found a solution that is working for me based in the
 2008.8 one.

 In file
 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calyp
so/unsolicited.py, function percentCPI, line 210 aprox

 Where it says:
 info = {}

 I have:
 devchannel =
 self._object.modem.communicationChannel(DeviceMediator)
 devchannel.enqueue( %N0187 )
 info = {}

Guess we should make this configurable, FSO is using -6db, not -12db since 
this sounds pretty harsh for many people.

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Re: SIM STK Support

2008-11-19 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Wednesday 19 November 2008 19:37:38 schrieb Lionel Brahami (Famoco):
 i would like to know if GT02 support SIM STK.   If no, is there a plan to
 support it ?

FSO has no STK support and it's not really on our roadmap -- please refer to 
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015762.html

We will accept patches though.

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Refund policy

2008-11-19 Thread jidanni
What's the refund policy for the FreeRunner? Nothing wrong with the
phone. Something wrong with me. I can't handle the complexity.

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[FSO] repeat ringtone

2008-11-19 Thread Leonti Bielski
Hello!
Maybe I have weird taste, but I don't like the Arkanod ringtone in FSO/SHR ;)
So I've changed it to my custom ogg ringtone. It plays OK, although if
I put a long one (4MB), I have to wait for a couple of vibrations
before it actually starts playing.
But that's ok, I'm not going to use a full ogg song as a ringtone anyway.
My problem is I don't know is it possible to make the ringtone repeat?
Right now if I have a short ringtone it plays only one time and then I
only hear vibrating.

Thanks. Leonti

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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Gothnet



Walter Chang wrote:
 
 i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft
 keyboard so i made one.  I used the copy-and-paste functionality on
 Android
 so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them.  to download:
 http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and download
 qad-keyboard.apk.  for instructions on installation and usage:
 http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto .
 
 enjoy,
 

Fantastic news, quick question - does this keyboard allow us to answer calls
at all?



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Re: [FSO M4] What a wonderfull world

2008-11-19 Thread Thomas des Courières
I do experience the same.
The other day i heard the sound for messages, the phone went out of suspend,
but no sms was there.
I had the restart the phone in order to read the message ...

2008/11/13 Marc Bantle [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi Christoph,

 Christoph Siegenthaler schrieb:
  Dito. There's just one thing that's kind of a showstopper for me. I can't
  receive sms. Sorry that I can't provide any useful data except for the
 fact
  that I didn't receive a test-sms I sent to my number.
 
  Anyone experiencing the same? This was the case with at least two of the
  previous fso-images. I'm not even sure if I ever got a msg using FSO.
 
 I observed the phone ring on incoming sms but zhone
 didn't show the message. After relaunching zhone the
 message was there.
 (GTA02)

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Re: [FSO] repeat ringtone

2008-11-19 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Wednesday 19 November 2008 20:52:37 schrieb Leonti Bielski:
 Hello!
 Maybe I have weird taste, but I don't like the Arkanod ringtone in FSO/SHR
 ;) So I've changed it to my custom ogg ringtone. It plays OK, although if I
 put a long one (4MB), I have to wait for a couple of vibrations
 before it actually starts playing.
 But that's ok, I'm not going to use a full ogg song as a ringtone anyway.
 My problem is I don't know is it possible to make the ringtone repeat?
 Right now if I have a short ringtone it plays only one time and then I
 only hear vibrating.

Please open a ticket, I need to implement that.

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Re: axfs

2008-11-19 Thread Alexey Shvetsov
On Wednesday 19 November 2008 17:46:15 Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
 Hello there,

 i don't know if this topic was already a discussion, but i think, if
 openmoko could change to axfs,  i belive, it's a great performance-step.

 shure, the software had already enough bugs and this isn't the most
 important thing. there's also enough to do, but: maybe there is
 someone with enough time who want to implement these fs..

 http://axfs.sourceforge.net/wordpress/?page_id=10

 jffs2 isn't so bad, and i don't know the failures of this system (it's
 a little bit new), but maybe it's stable enough.

 so the community know now this system, if someone like it, hack it in!

 :) (i've not enough time and expirience.. sorry.. :( )

 greets
I thinke better chois is UBIFS =)
Also ubifs already avalieble in mainline kernel 2.6.28
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Re: [FSO] First steps

2008-11-19 Thread julien cubizolles
Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 18:06 +0100, arne anka a écrit :
 in ms4 you need only to press shortly, no hold anymore.

Thanks, it works, I'm feeling stupid now because I can't wake it. I
tried pressing POW shortly, longer, in combination with AUX, to the
rythm of the arkanoid theme...




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Re: axfs

2008-11-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
 i don't know if this topic was already a discussion, but i think, if
 openmoko could change to axfs,  i belive, it's a great performance-step.

Problems with it:
- axfs is read-only, so you'd need to use a setup similar to OpenWRT
  with a axfs filesystem containing the base system plus a jffs2
  filesystem layered on top (using some variant of unionfs).
- its main attraction is the XIP feature, but this only works with
  NOR flash.  We do have some NOR flash, but it's only 2MB (IIUC) and it
  can only be flashed with the debug-board, so the potential benefit is
  slim and restricted to those users who bought the debug board.

Using axfs+jffs2 might be an option, where the main benefit would be to
save some space on the flash drive, but currently the 256MB of flash is
rarely a significant limitation (especially if you're careful to keep
only application in the NAND and put all your data/images/sounds in the
microSD card).

Actually, the one place I know where the 256MB of flash is a bit short
is when installing Debian there, but using axfs+jffs2 with Debian would
be a fair bit of extra work and would often defeat the purpose of using
Debian in the first place.


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Re: [FSO] repeat ringtone

2008-11-19 Thread Leonti Bielski
Just did:
http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/247

Leonti

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Am Wednesday 19 November 2008 20:52:37 schrieb Leonti Bielski:
 Hello!
 Maybe I have weird taste, but I don't like the Arkanod ringtone in FSO/SHR
 ;) So I've changed it to my custom ogg ringtone. It plays OK, although if I
 put a long one (4MB), I have to wait for a couple of vibrations
 before it actually starts playing.
 But that's ok, I'm not going to use a full ogg song as a ringtone anyway.
 My problem is I don't know is it possible to make the ringtone repeat?
 Right now if I have a short ringtone it plays only one time and then I
 only hear vibrating.

 Please open a ticket, I need to implement that.

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Your favorite ringtones? (especially .sid?)

2008-11-19 Thread eric
Hi,
I'm looking for a new ringtone (I like the arkanoid theme, but I need  
a change).  If you have one you like, could you let me (us) know?

Tobias mentions a place to find .sids in his email below -- I just  
couldn't go through all of them.

Thanks,
Eric



Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote:
 Hi,

 Here is a patch for frameworkd that allows to inject gstreamer options
 into file names for the audio playing service. I wrote it because I
 wanted to use the title music from Giana Sisters as a ring tone, which
 is tune number 5 in Great_Giana_Sisters_PSID.sid ;)

 This patch is very generic to allow any option to be injected from the
 file name. It may be desirable to restrict this to specific options, but
 currently this allows everything, so you can easily break playing
 altogether...

 So if you really want to hear Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit in
 glorious 3-channel SID, grab yourself a copy of
 http://hafnium.prg.dtu.dk/HVSC/C64Music/GAMES/S-Z/Summer_Games.sid,
 place it in /usr/share/sounds and set Summer_Games.sid;tune=5 as your
 ring tone.

 Or a manic laughter when an SMS arrives? Try
 http://hafnium.prg.dtu.dk/HVSC/C64Music/MUSICIANS/L/Lieblich_Russell/Ghostbusters_PSID.sid
 and set Ghostbusters_PSID.sid;tune=4 as your message tone.

 Well, you get the idea. :)

 Since I'm not very fluent with Python, please point out anything I might
 have done wrong. Hope you like the patch.

 Greetings, Tobias



 

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Re: Your favorite ringtones? (especially .sid?)

2008-11-19 Thread Pander
see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2080
for
http://212.83.231.34/artwork_sounds_20081024_extra.tar.gz
and
/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/ from version control

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm looking for a new ringtone (I like the arkanoid theme, but I need  
 a change).  If you have one you like, could you let me (us) know?
 
 Tobias mentions a place to find .sids in his email below -- I just  
 couldn't go through all of them.
 
 Thanks,
 Eric
 
 
 
 Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote:
 Hi,

 Here is a patch for frameworkd that allows to inject gstreamer options
 into file names for the audio playing service. I wrote it because I
 wanted to use the title music from Giana Sisters as a ring tone, which
 is tune number 5 in Great_Giana_Sisters_PSID.sid ;)

 This patch is very generic to allow any option to be injected from the
 file name. It may be desirable to restrict this to specific options, but
 currently this allows everything, so you can easily break playing
 altogether...

 So if you really want to hear Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit in
 glorious 3-channel SID, grab yourself a copy of
 http://hafnium.prg.dtu.dk/HVSC/C64Music/GAMES/S-Z/Summer_Games.sid,
 place it in /usr/share/sounds and set Summer_Games.sid;tune=5 as your
 ring tone.

 Or a manic laughter when an SMS arrives? Try
 http://hafnium.prg.dtu.dk/HVSC/C64Music/MUSICIANS/L/Lieblich_Russell/Ghostbusters_PSID.sid
 and set Ghostbusters_PSID.sid;tune=4 as your message tone.

 Well, you get the idea. :)

 Since I'm not very fluent with Python, please point out anything I might
 have done wrong. Hope you like the patch.

 Greetings, Tobias



 

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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-19 Thread Steve Mosher
they don't already?
  please issue a ticket. we'll fix the bug.

George Brooke wrote:
 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:47 +1100
 Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Tig wrote:
 Ok I will bite :)

 Q:  Why did OM cross the road?
 A:  To get to another toolkit :)

 Q:  How many OM devs does it take to change a lightbulb?
 A:  Well first we need to abandon the old lightbulb holder because
 at a later date we may not be able to plug a floodlight in,  bring
 in a new lightbulb holder and adapt it to multiple floodlights,
 meanwhile the engineering team has realized that this will only run
 green floodlights and has started rewiring the whole house.. :)
 The burnt out lightbulb is due to be fixed at a later date :) 

 Please not this is not a cue for a thread on lightbulb analogies :)

 Q:  What is the difference between a professional photographer and
 OM user? A:  The OM user has to flash more often :)

 Q:  Why did the OM newbie log onto #openmoko?
 A:  Because they had not read:
 a)  the wiki
 and
 b)  the topic

 As then they would know you slide your finder up on the
 keyboard to get the numbers to enter your sim pin.

 I will be here all week,  try the salad :)

 Regards (apologies for posting via gmane moving e-mail around) 


   
 Hehe, love the lightbulb one!

 Q: What's the difference between an iphone and a freerunner?
 A: One works but takes away your freedom, the other is free but needs 
 your work

 Knock, Knock
 Who's There?
 A Neo User
 A Neo User

 Q: What did the Neo say to the insomniac?
 A: At least when you go to sleep you know you'll wake up!

 Ancient chinese proverb: Neo owner is man carrying wall charger

 And I've saved my favorite for last:

 Q: What's the difference between a brick and a freerunner?
 A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls.

 ;)

 -Dale

 (All in good fun)
 
 Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos
 
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Re: [FSO] First steps

2008-11-19 Thread VirtuAlex


julien cubizolles wrote:
 
 Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 18:06 +0100, arne anka a écrit :
 in ms4 you need only to press shortly, no hold anymore.
 
 Thanks, it works, I'm feeling stupid now because I can't wake it. I
 tried pressing POW shortly, longer, in combination with AUX, to the
 rythm of the arkanoid theme...
 
I had similar problem. I pushed the button and nothing happened, then I
tried to push it again, but before I did, it actually started suspending
(got into text mode, some lines started pass by). So the second press
obviously interrupted normal suspend routine and put FR into unusable state.
Only removing battery helps. I can reproduce it. But if I press power button
once and wait for it to suspend properly, next short press wakes it up
reliably.
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Re: Your favorite ringtones? (especially .sid?)

2008-11-19 Thread Fox Mulder
There are many websites where you can download original c64 sid music
files. I recommend the The High Voltage SID Collection with over
30.000 sid files in it from http://hvsc.c64.org.
I think there you find some nice ringtones for you. ;)

Ciao,
 Rainer

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm looking for a new ringtone (I like the arkanoid theme, but I need  
 a change).  If you have one you like, could you let me (us) know?
 
 Tobias mentions a place to find .sids in his email below -- I just  
 couldn't go through all of them.
 
 Thanks,
 Eric
 
 
 
 Tobias Gruetzmacher wrote:
 Hi,

 Here is a patch for frameworkd that allows to inject gstreamer options
 into file names for the audio playing service. I wrote it because I
 wanted to use the title music from Giana Sisters as a ring tone, which
 is tune number 5 in Great_Giana_Sisters_PSID.sid ;)

 This patch is very generic to allow any option to be injected from the
 file name. It may be desirable to restrict this to specific options, but
 currently this allows everything, so you can easily break playing
 altogether...

 So if you really want to hear Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit in
 glorious 3-channel SID, grab yourself a copy of
 http://hafnium.prg.dtu.dk/HVSC/C64Music/GAMES/S-Z/Summer_Games.sid,
 place it in /usr/share/sounds and set Summer_Games.sid;tune=5 as your
 ring tone.

 Or a manic laughter when an SMS arrives? Try
 http://hafnium.prg.dtu.dk/HVSC/C64Music/MUSICIANS/L/Lieblich_Russell/Ghostbusters_PSID.sid
 and set Ghostbusters_PSID.sid;tune=4 as your message tone.

 Well, you get the idea. :)

 Since I'm not very fluent with Python, please point out anything I might
 have done wrong. Hope you like the patch.

 Greetings, Tobias



 

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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Tomas Riveros Schober
I'm not familiar with the android environment so here are a couple of 
questions
do I need the android SDK to install this keyboard? if I don't need it then,
how do I ssh into android once it's running? I've tried the usual 
ifconfig usb0 x.x.x.x  ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] but the connection is 
refused.
if i dont need to ssh to install it, then how to do it?

regards
Tom

Walter Chang escribió:
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 keyboard so i made one.  I used the copy-and-paste functionality on 
 Android so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them.  
 to download: http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and 
 download qad-keyboard.apk.  for instructions on installation and 
 usage: http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto .

 enjoy,

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Illume dictionary for Dutch (Nederlands)

2008-11-19 Thread Pander
Hi all,

Together with http://opentaal.org , I'm working on a special Illume
dictionary for Dutch word completion. It will be available in the near
future.

Of course this particular word list is very long and contains about
250,000 words and has a typical lng tail. Many words or compositions
or occur seldom in average day use.

What would be a good cut off point in number of words, also in terms of
performance?

The Portuguese list contains 56,609 words. Is this workable? How many
does the English contain?

Thanks,

Pander

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Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL

2008-11-19 Thread Warren Baird
OM2008.9 and FSO walk into a bar.   How are you?  How are you? asks FSO.
Buzzz says OM2008.9

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Tig wrote:
  Ok I will bite :)
 
  Q:  Why did OM cross the road?
  A:  To get to another toolkit :)


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Re: Illume dictionary for Dutch (Nederlands)

2008-11-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:25:22PM +0100, Pander wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Together with http://opentaal.org , I'm working on a special Illume
 dictionary for Dutch word completion. It will be available in the near
 future.
 
 Of course this particular word list is very long and contains about
 250,000 words and has a typical lng tail. Many words or compositions
 or occur seldom in average day use.
 
 What would be a good cut off point in number of words, also in terms of
 performance?
 
 The Portuguese list contains 56,609 words. Is this workable? How many
 does the English contain?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts# wc -w *.dic
   196684 English_(US).dic
10002 English_(US)_Small.dic
   113218 Portuguese (ASCII).dic
   319904 total

So it's a little under the double of the words.

Rui

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Re: Illume dictionary for Dutch (Nederlands)

2008-11-19 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:25:22 +0100 Pander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

 Hi all,
 
 Together with http://opentaal.org , I'm working on a special Illume
 dictionary for Dutch word completion. It will be available in the near
 future.
 
 Of course this particular word list is very long and contains about
 250,000 words and has a typical lng tail. Many words or compositions
 or occur seldom in average day use.
 
 What would be a good cut off point in number of words, also in terms of
 performance?
 
 The Portuguese list contains 56,609 words. Is this workable? How many
 does the English contain?

english is about 98,000, but remember english has very few changes in words for
conjugation. i need to change the dict format to account for this and compress
better i think. i do need to make a different entered text - visible word
mapping tho. this covers blind qwerty entry for accented words. i.e.:

(german)
fass - Faß
brotchen - Brötchen

(french)
cafe - café
etage - étage
francais - Français

(japanese)
sakana - さかな | 魚 | 肴 | 坂な | 茶菓な | 阪な | 差かな | 左かな | 差かな  |
査かな | 鎖かな | サカナ | sakana

note that in some languages can have 1 romanised input match multiple
(different) displays of that word (japanese is king at this. chinese likely if
using pinyin could be similar). right now the dict format doesn't allow for
this and sure- i can extend with a list of displayed words so currently
non-freq format is:

cafe
etage

with freq:

cafe 126
etage 98

i can add a display list:

cafe 126 cafe café
etage 98 étage

but the file will get bigger and bigger and get harder to auto-generate from
input data. right now i am unsure of the exact strategy to take... but i'd like
to cover as many languages as i can with 1 format and have minimal dict size
overhead etc.

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Announce: omnewrotate 0.5.0

2008-11-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
http://blog.1407.org/2008/11/19/openmoko-newrotate-050-lazy-edition-is-out/

Hi,

I’ve just release a new version of omnewrotate (OpenPGP signature),
the ‘Lazy Edition’ because it uses so much less CPU than any version I
did before. Oh, I forgot to mention it in the release commit, but at
least with FSO M4 I’m getting a very stable rotation BUT if the screen
looks garbled, please wait a few seconds until the graphic user
interface adjusts to the screen changes. I don’t think I can do much
about that…

From the ChangeLog:

2008-11-19 - 0.5.0 - Lazy edition
* uses a second thread for reading the accellerometer packets
* drops Fabian's changes (not that they weren't good, just not
  needed any more)
* adds flags (look at display_help() or ./rotate -h)
* drops packets with 0 value coordinates (I got bogus packets
  like that so I decided to drop them, if you feel you get good
  packets with 0 value, you can use '-0' as an argument to take
  them in account).
* top -d 1 -p PID shows 0.0% CPU usage (of omnewrotate) even
  during rotation
* seems to waste a little too much memory (some stuff could be
  done with one number and bitwise operations instead of several
  numbers, I wonder how much that will improve and if it's worth
  the effort...)
* only output outside of debug mode are real errors


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[Debian -FSO -GPS] No Fix

2008-11-19 Thread Fragggy

Hallo,
I updated my Debian today with apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.
The update switched some FSO related files. I think to FSO M4.
After the update some strange things happend.
The first thing is, that the openmoko-panel-plugin is removed because it is
linked to frameworkd.

But the most important thing for me is, that after the update i get no gps
fix anymore.
fso-gpsd is installd and running. The zhone build in gps application an
tango gps get no fix.
tail -f /dev/ttySAC1 shows nothing, telnet localhost gps connects but shows
on pa input only

debian-gta02:~# telnet localhost 2947
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
pa
GPSD,P=?,A=?


It would be nice if someone has a hint, where I could start debuging.

Greetings
Dennis M

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Re: Illume dictionary for Dutch (Nederlands)

2008-11-19 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Pander wrote:
 Of course this particular word list is very long and contains about
 250,000 words and has a typical lng tail. Many words or compositions
 or occur seldom in average day use.
 
 What would be a good cut off point in number of words, also in terms of
 performance?
 
 The Portuguese list contains 56,609 words. Is this workable? How many
 does the English contain?

The Italian one can count also 500'000 words (to be short), but I can
get a well working dictionary only using a smaller one (with about
150'000 words that I've taken counting its google popularity).

Btw I've written more complete posts about this on the list...

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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Walter Chang
nope.  lets hope the next release from sean fixes that.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Gothnet [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:




 Walter Chang wrote:
 
  i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft
  keyboard so i made one.  I used the copy-and-paste functionality on
  Android
  so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them.  to
 download:
  http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and download
  qad-keyboard.apk.  for instructions on installation and usage:
  http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto .
 
  enjoy,
 

 Fantastic news, quick question - does this keyboard allow us to answer
 calls
 at all?



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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

2008-11-19 Thread Walter Chang
read the comments at the bottom:
http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/11/getting-started-with-android-on-neo.html

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:09 AM, Tomas Riveros Schober
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I'm not familiar with the android environment so here are a couple of
 questions
 do I need the android SDK to install this keyboard? if I don't need it
 then,
 how do I ssh into android once it's running? I've tried the usual
 ifconfig usb0 x.x.x.x  ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] but the connection is
 refused.
 if i dont need to ssh to install it, then how to do it?

 regards
 Tom

 Walter Chang escribió:
  i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft
  keyboard so i made one.  I used the copy-and-paste functionality on
  Android so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them.
  to download: http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list and
  download qad-keyboard.apk.  for instructions on installation and
  usage: http://code.google.com/p/netgents/wiki/QadKeyboardHowto .
 
  enjoy,
 
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Re: [Debian -FSO -GPS] No Fix

2008-11-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Fragggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 But the most important thing for me is, that after the update i get no gps
 fix anymore.

Does the GPS chip have power?

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Re: [Om2008.9] gsmspeakerout.state - headset working

2008-11-19 Thread Tom Yates
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Matthias Apitz wrote:

 one don't need extending the desktop to launch 'alsactl -f
 gsmspeakerout.state restore'; when you're in a call there is a small
 menue on the left buttom side called 'Options' which let you switch
 between 'handset' and 'speakerout';

you star!  from that, moving gsmspeakerout.state to one side and linking 
gsmheadset.state to gsmspeakerout.state means that, whilst i don't need 
speakerphone mode much, i can now switch to headset - which is very 
important for me - inside a call.

i notice now that there's a headset option that shows up there 
*sometimes*, but it's less-easy to access than speakerphone and anyway 
it doesn't work as well.  perhaps it loads headset.state instead of 
gsmheadset.state?

if anyone else wants the details, they're at 
http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html#Headset . 
interestingly, this has reduced the list of things that prevent my 'moko 
from being a perfectly good everyday phone to zero.


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Re: [Debian -FSO -GPS] No Fix

2008-11-19 Thread Fragggy

I think so.

cat
/sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
shows a 1

I have put the Freerunner next to a window over Night and logt the output of
/dev/ttySAC1.
After a few minutes I got Messages like this:

$GPRMC,073904.00,A,5127.73160,N,00651.01957,E,0.229,279.62,201108,,,A*66
$GPVTG,279.62,T,,M,0.229,N,0.424,K,A*3E
$GPGGA,073904.00,5127.73160,N,00651.01957,E,1,09,0.92,26.1,M,47.5,M,,*6E
$GPGSA,A,3,05,04,09,29,12,30,02,14,321.49,0.92,1.17*07
$GPGSV,3,1,11,05,78,276,25,17,03,039,,04,21,068,32,09,48,135,28*7A
$GPGSV,3,2,11,29,19,200,27,12,83,044,28,30,50,263,37,02,18,113,29*78
$GPGSV,3,3,11,14,42,290,33,32,05,344,33,31,04


but still no fix this morning.
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Re: Illume dictionary for Dutch (Nederlands)

2008-11-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 03:02:41AM +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
 Pander wrote:
  Of course this particular word list is very long and contains about
  250,000 words and has a typical lng tail. Many words or compositions
  or occur seldom in average day use.
  
  What would be a good cut off point in number of words, also in terms of
  performance?
  
  The Portuguese list contains 56,609 words. Is this workable? How many
  does the English contain?
 
 The Italian one can count also 500'000 words (to be short), but I can
 get a well working dictionary only using a smaller one (with about
 150'000 words that I've taken counting its google popularity).
 
 Btw I've written more complete posts about this on the list...

Well, since my basis was based on a million words taken from the most
printed daily newspaper in Portugal (I didn't count but still I removed
a lot of non words like numbers, etc...) already with frequency data, my
job was so much easier... :)

As for writing SMS/text messages... I haven't found yet a word that
wasn't there (in fact my problem is that it so often is the first of
several matches so I have to use the menu on the left) but I must
confess to not be one of those whose primary use of the phone is
SMS/text!

Rui

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