Re: armband

[kenneth marken]

On Saturday 22 November 2008 22:49:49 Josh Thompson wrote:
> Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while
> exercising?  Comparing dimensions to other devices, it seems closest to an
> 80GB Zune.  So, I'm thinking that might work.  I realize I'll probably have
> to cut at least one hole in it for the headphone jack.  Does anyone have a
> Zune armband they could try sticking their Freerunner in?  Any other ideas?
>

could this work?
http://www.vat19.com/dvds/freehand-pocket-for-hand.cfm

i have the strangest things bookmarked ;)

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Re: [2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.

[Joel Newkirk]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:46:38 +0100, "Ivar Mossin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hey all.
> 
> I'm was just installing a stable 2008.9 image. The only changes made is
> that
> a terminal is installed and the /etc/opkg/* is changed to pointing to the
> testing repository instead. Then, from the local terminal, I run opkg
> update
> and then opkg upgrade. The upgrade is working for some good 20-30 minutes
> downloading and installing new packages until X is shut down. Apparently
> opkg wanted to restart X or something?
> 
> Then I figure I'll do it over ssh instead, so I log in and run 'opkg
> upgrade' again. To my surprise I see that it starts all over again,
> downloading and "installing" (?) the same packages over again. Didn't the
> previous upgrade just do that? Are the "downloaded" and "installed" files
> stored in a temporary directory in the meantime? I checked the used
> disk-space and found it to be only 81-82 MB. Didn't check how much was
> used
> before the first run though. Or does the opkg wait with updating its
> database of installed packages until the complete upgrade has finished?
> Which means I by now actually have the latest and greatest, just opkg
> doesn't know it is?
> 
> Anyway, the upgrade via ssh failed miserably as well. Of course dropbear
> had
> to be restarted, I lost connection and opkg was interrupted (again). Next
> try is screen, which is currently running, downloading and installing the
> exact same packages done by the previous two upgrades.
> 
> Is there some way to make opkg "continue where interrupted" or some way
of
> specifying I don't want a certain service restarted (like dropbear) ?
> 
> 
> -Ivar Mossin

The short solution - 'opkg update' and 'opkg install dropbear' from
terminal, then 'opkg upgrade' via ssh.  opkg is imperfect...

j


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Re: armband

[Joel Newkirk]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:49:49 -0500, Josh Thompson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while
> exercising?  Comparing dimensions to other devices, it seems closest to
an
> 80GB Zune.  So, I'm thinking that might work.  I realize I'll probably
> have
> to cut at least one hole in it for the headphone jack.  Does anyone have
a
> Zune armband they could try sticking their Freerunner in?  Any other
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh

"Exercising"?  Huh?   :)

j



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Re: [FSO] First steps

[Joel Newkirk]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:44:49 +, Al Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 22 November 2008, julien cubizolles wrote:
>> Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 15:57 -0500, Joel Newkirk a écrit :
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your detailed reply.
>>
>> > > Calendar : openmoko-calendar2 isn't available in repositories. What
> can
>> > > I use ? I
>> >
>> > I don't have anything for you on these.
>>
>> It can wait. Just out of curiosity, is there some work being done on
>> this front ?
> 
> A PIM interface is on the roadmap for FSO, but I don't know if work has 
> started yet. It is likely to use an existing PIM dbus API, possibly with 
> extensions if required. Evolution Data Server and Akonadi spring to mind
> as 
> contenders. Telepathy may have a place too, though its VoIP capabilities 
> overlap somewhat with the call control interface we already have.

I think Telepathy is a must-have, personally.

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Re: Creating a distro on a sim card

[William Kenworthy]

Have a look at /etc/defaults/dropbear - does it lock ssh to usb0 only?

BillK

On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 19:03 -0800, Rodney Myers wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Christian Adams wrote:
> 
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > hi
> > are you sure 192.168.1.202 is really the ip of your freerunner?
> > from reading the pingtimes i would think you ping your local
> > interface not your freerunner
> > which would have ping-times around 1 to 5 ms or so ..
> >
> > ciao,
> > christian (morlac) adams
> 
> If I unplug the phone, then it says no route to host, so I am pretty  
> sure it is the phone, and I know what the /etc/network/interface states
> 
> > Am 22.11.2008 um 23:40 schrieb Rodney Myers:
> >
> >> ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> The authenticity of host '192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202)' can't be
> >> established.
> >> RSA key fingerprint is 75:c6:91:b7:60:a9:16:b1:19:ed:
> >> 5a:c7:2f:d3:39:c4.
> >> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
> >> Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.202' (RSA) to the list of
> >> known hosts.
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
> >> Permission denied, please try again.
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
> >> Permission denied, please try again.
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
> >> Permission denied (publickey,password).
> >
> > what happens when you enter your root-pw here? ;)
> 
> I'm sitting back at the command prompt, and does nothing.
> 
> >> and I get brought back to the shell
> >>
> >>
> >> ping 192.168.1.202
> >> PING 192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202) 56(84) bytes of data.
> >> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.061 ms
> >> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.042 ms
> >> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.044 ms
> >> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.046 ms
> >> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.047 ms
> >>
> >> --- 192.168.1.202 ping statistics ---
> >> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3997ms
> >> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.042/0.048/0.061/0.006 ms\
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Re: Creating a distro on a sim card

[Rodney Myers]

On Nov 22, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Christian Adams wrote:


-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

hi
are you sure 192.168.1.202 is really the ip of your freerunner?
from reading the pingtimes i would think you ping your local
interface not your freerunner
which would have ping-times around 1 to 5 ms or so ..

ciao,
christian (morlac) adams


If I unplug the phone, then it says no route to host, so I am pretty  
sure it is the phone, and I know what the /etc/network/interface states



Am 22.11.2008 um 23:40 schrieb Rodney Myers:


ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The authenticity of host '192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202)' can't be
established.
RSA key fingerprint is 75:c6:91:b7:60:a9:16:b1:19:ed:
5a:c7:2f:d3:39:c4.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.202' (RSA) to the list of
known hosts.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Permission denied, please try again.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Permission denied, please try again.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Permission denied (publickey,password).


what happens when you enter your root-pw here? ;)


I'm sitting back at the command prompt, and does nothing.


and I get brought back to the shell


ping 192.168.1.202
PING 192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.061 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.042 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.044 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.046 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.047 ms

--- 192.168.1.202 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3997ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.042/0.048/0.061/0.006 ms\


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Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging

[Jesus McCloud]

rocks!
compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant ("desktops on
diet")
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Re: Freerunner's GSM Calypso Modem Firmware Upgrade...

[William Kenworthy]

Do you still see the lost sms problem, or missed calls?

BillK

On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 14:01 +0100, Jacob Peterson wrote:
> The flash worked without a hitch for me and now I am able to use a
> Vodafone prepaid SIM in my 850MHz unit while back in Europe.  I am
> running Om2008.9 with the 20081023 FDOM modifications applied.
> 
> Great job!
> 
> -Jacob
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Re: freesmartphone.org down? DNS?

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 00:18, Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz wrote:
> I keep getting no IP, could you please send me that data so I can cheat
> using /etc/hosts?

It's working again here after some troubles yesterday. If you still have
problems:
www.freesmartphone.org has address 134.169.172.109

It the same for git, trac...

regards
Stefan Schmidt

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Re: freesmartphone.org down? DNS?

[Richy]

"freesmartphone.org DNS is down, echo 134.169.172.109 {,trac.,git.}
freesmartphone.org >> /etc/hosts"
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 00:18, Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I keep getting no IP, could you please send me that data so I can cheat
> using /etc/hosts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pablo
>
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:47:28 +0100
>Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Am I the only experiencing DNS issues? Tested from two
>completely
>> different locations.
>>
>> Pablo
>>
>>
>
>I experienced the same problem yesterday, today all was fine.
>
>Franky
>
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freesmartphone.org down? DNS?

[Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz]

I keep getting no IP, could you please send me that data so I can cheat
using /etc/hosts?

Thanks!

Pablo

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:47:28 +0100
Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am I the only experiencing DNS issues? Tested from two
completely
> different locations.
> 
> Pablo
> 
> 

I experienced the same problem yesterday, today all was fine.

Franky


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[2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.

[Ivar Mossin]

> One possible way round this is to run your upgrade within a "screen"
> session.  The upgrade will continue even if you get disconnected from
> the session, in which case you can reconnect later.

That's what I did just now. Although I was a bit scared when I saw this:

Configuring dropbear
 System startup links for /etc/init.d/dropbear already exist.
Restarting Dropbear SSH server: Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed by remote
host.
Connection to 192.168.0.202 closed.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# screen -ls
No Sockets found in /tmp/screens/S-root.

... I don't know why, but somehow I did actually try 'screen -R' anyway,
even though I saw the list was empty. And it did actually work. :)

I wouldn't call this a solution though, just a work-around.


-Ivar Mossin
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Re: [2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.

[Thomas White]

"Ivar Mossin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there some way to make opkg "continue where interrupted" or some
> way of specifying I don't want a certain service restarted (like
> dropbear) ?

One possible way round this is to run your upgrade within a "screen"
session.  The upgrade will continue even if you get disconnected from
the session, in which case you can reconnect later.

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Re: Creating a distro on a sim card

[Christian Adams]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

hi
are you sure 192.168.1.202 is really the ip of your freerunner?
from reading the pingtimes i would think you ping your local  
interface not your freerunner
which would have ping-times around 1 to 5 ms or so ..

ciao,
christian (morlac) adams

Am 22.11.2008 um 23:40 schrieb Rodney Myers:

> ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The authenticity of host '192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202)' can't be  
> established.
> RSA key fingerprint is 75:c6:91:b7:60:a9:16:b1:19:ed: 
> 5a:c7:2f:d3:39:c4.
> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
> Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.202' (RSA) to the list of  
> known hosts.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
> Permission denied, please try again.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
> Permission denied, please try again.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
> Permission denied (publickey,password).

what happens when you enter your root-pw here? ;)

>
> and I get brought back to the shell
>
>
> ping 192.168.1.202
> PING 192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.061 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.042 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.044 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.046 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.047 ms
>
> --- 192.168.1.202 ping statistics ---
> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3997ms
> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.042/0.048/0.061/0.006 ms

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[2008.x] 'opkg upgrade' interrupted.

[Ivar Mossin]

Hey all.

I'm was just installing a stable 2008.9 image. The only changes made is that
a terminal is installed and the /etc/opkg/* is changed to pointing to the
testing repository instead. Then, from the local terminal, I run opkg update
and then opkg upgrade. The upgrade is working for some good 20-30 minutes
downloading and installing new packages until X is shut down. Apparently
opkg wanted to restart X or something?

Then I figure I'll do it over ssh instead, so I log in and run 'opkg
upgrade' again. To my surprise I see that it starts all over again,
downloading and "installing" (?) the same packages over again. Didn't the
previous upgrade just do that? Are the "downloaded" and "installed" files
stored in a temporary directory in the meantime? I checked the used
disk-space and found it to be only 81-82 MB. Didn't check how much was used
before the first run though. Or does the opkg wait with updating its
database of installed packages until the complete upgrade has finished?
Which means I by now actually have the latest and greatest, just opkg
doesn't know it is?

Anyway, the upgrade via ssh failed miserably as well. Of course dropbear had
to be restarted, I lost connection and opkg was interrupted (again). Next
try is screen, which is currently running, downloading and installing the
exact same packages done by the previous two upgrades.

Is there some way to make opkg "continue where interrupted" or some way of
specifying I don't want a certain service restarted (like dropbear) ?


-Ivar Mossin
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I/O problems with SD card

[Евгений Карякин]

Hello!

   This is my first time of booting from MicroSD card since before
this time I flashed several distributions onto internal flash. I
downloaded FSO milestone 4.1 and put that on Transcend 2Gb flash: made
two partitions, kernel 2Mb vfat and remaining for rootfs ext2,
formatted it accordingly (mkfs vfat and ext2) and copied file on them,
that means, followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
instructions. Nevertheless booting from SD failed, I chose a
corresponding menu item from NOR loader (load from SD fat+ext2) and
started to receive multiple error messages:

# right after load start
s3c2410_udc: debugfs dir creation failed -19

# next lines mixed with each other
mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
EXT2-fs error (device mmcblk0p2) ex2_get_inode: unable to read inode
block - inode=12345 block=67890
Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0p2, logical block 0
# and partial success messages among them

   Plus multiple Input/Output errors while reading /etc/rc.d/* files
and writing to /etc/volatile or something.
   This is how Freerunner sees my card:

Card type: SD 2.0
Manufacturer: 0x1b, OEM "SM"
Product name: "0", revision 1.0
Serial number: 1234567890
Manufacturing date: 7/2008
MMC/SD size: 511 MiB

   Thinking a card may be broken, I did check all files on it like that:

find /mnt -depth -type f -exec md5sum \{\} \;

   And several files resulted in Input/Output errors. Aha! Then I
"initialized" my card with

dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mmcblk0p2 bs=32768 count=62150

   Then issued mkfs again and untarred rootfs second time. Checked
again -- none of the files reported an error. Still Neo can't read
many files on a card, especially in /etc/ . All SD card preparation
operations were made on a notebook with built-in card reader.
   Does anybody experienced any troubles with MicroSD cards like the
abovementioned ones?

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Re: Creating a distro on a sim card

[Rodney Myers]

On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Rodney Myers wrote:


I was pointed to this link to help with my previous problem;



I was wondering if that read, was all that it took to get a  
functioning OS on the SD card, and then the ability to copy onto the  
phone?


Thanks


OM Neo, 2 months old, and using a Debian stable desktop to access the  
phone.


Some may remember my 'problem' accessing my OM phone after I edited  
the /etc/network/interface file.


I finally got around to get the MicroSD card working. I can  
succesfully boot from the SD card, as per wiki instructions


When I folowed the wiki, I made changes to the /etc/network/interfacec  
card as well, making it appear on my LAN.


I can succesfully ping the phone (yeah), but when I attempt to ssh  
into the phone;


ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I keep getting asked for a password. After 2 times hitting the  
 key, I get this error message;


ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The authenticity of host '192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202)' can't be  
established.

RSA key fingerprint is 75:c6:91:b7:60:a9:16:b1:19:ed:5a:c7:2f:d3:39:c4.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently added '192.168.1.202' (RSA) to the list of known  
hosts.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Permission denied, please try again.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Permission denied, please try again.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Permission denied (publickey,password).


and I get brought back to the shell


ping 192.168.1.202
PING 192.168.1.202 (192.168.1.202) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.061 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.042 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.044 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.046 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.202: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.047 ms

--- 192.168.1.202 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3997ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.042/0.048/0.061/0.006 ms


I've looked at the MicroSD card, when I have in installed in a card  
reader, and the /etc/passwd file shows no password.


Not sure what I am missing.

Thanks for any help in finally getting my phone running.


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armband

[Josh Thompson]

Has anyone tried to find an armband for holding your Freerunner while 
exercising?  Comparing dimensions to other devices, it seems closest to an 
80GB Zune.  So, I'm thinking that might work.  I realize I'll probably have 
to cut at least one hole in it for the headphone jack.  Does anyone have a 
Zune armband they could try sticking their Freerunner in?  Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Josh

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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 22 November 2008, drac2000 wrote:
> Cédric Berger wrote:
> > But you can also just copy the .apk file directly on the SD card
> > second partition, under /app
> > (by exemple via ssh if you booted another distro, just copy under
> > /media/mmcblk0p2/app/ )
>
> Can you please explain little bit more.
> That this mean you can have android flashed and another distro installed on
> sd card.
> I would like to have such setup android / qtopia on SD. Can you please
> explain little bit more in details?

Partition your SD so you have:

Partition 1: VFAT (for Android)
Partition 2: ext3 (for Android)
Partition 3: ext3 probably - for qtopia

Extract the qtopia rootfs tarball to partition 3, and make a uBoot menu entry 
to boot from partition 3 as described in the wiki. You could add extra 
partitions for other distros too.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD

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Re: freesmartphone.org down? DNS?

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:47:28 +0100
Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am I the only experiencing DNS issues? Tested from two completely
> different locations.
> 
> Pablo
> 
> 

I experienced the same problem yesterday, today all was fine.

Franky

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freesmartphone.org down? DNS?

[Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz]

Am I the only experiencing DNS issues? Tested from two completely
different locations.

Pablo


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Re: testing Jalimo on Openmoko

[Bernd Prünster]

exit code 1 was returned...
i' too lazy to look in to the source right now, so please tell me when 
exit code 1 is returned... then, i'd like to take a look at it

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Re: Minty Boost && FreeRunner

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Fr  21. November 2008 schrieb Tobias Diedrich:
> Cédric Berger wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:24, DJDAS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Cédric Berger ha scritto:
> > >> I did not have a look at neo's circuitry.
> > >> But whatever the method it uses, it cannot force 1A if 1A is not
> > >> available (wall charger unplugged from the wall won't give 1A :-p ) ?
> > >>
> > > Uhm...not exactly true... Ohm Law says: V = R * I -> I = V/R, and if
> > > R->0 then I->oo
> > > In practice if you power a load with a little impedance (in real systems
> > > the load is not always only resistive) the current requested will grow
> > > and the source could be damaged (try to short circuit a normal battery,
> > > you'll see a flash and if you maintain the circuit closed you'll meld
> > > the battery).
> > > This is why you should not ask 1000mA from the USB port (for example)
> > > unless you're sure the hardware could give it.
> > > Bye :)
> > >
> > 
> > Yes but I also have some car adapters that "did not mind" being
> > shorted (12v to 5v adapter, given for 350mA). So I doubt a device
> > wanting 1A would be worst than a short circuit... but what would be
> > the output in such a case I do not know.
> 
> According to the MAX756 datasheet (the step-up converter used in the
> minty boost AFAICS), the switching mosfet should be protected due to
> the operating principle:
> The coil is shorted to ground until the current reaches about 1A,
> then switched off automatically (and then the coil discharges in
> series to the battery, effectively boosting the voltages).
> 
> So the only things relevant to a overload situation are the
> coil rating and the diode rating.
> If both are capable of handling >1A continously, then switching
> the Freerunner to 1A can't break anything.
> The 1N5818 can handle 1A and the coil used has a saturation current
> of 1.5A.
> 
> (However, it is _not_ short-circuit-proof, since in that case the
> current would flow directly from the battery over coil and diode to
> ground and will likely destroy the diode first)
> 
> Switching noise is nothing to worry about (Switching frequency depends
> on load and battery voltage).
> 
> Of course thermal dissipation can still be an issue.


you should use a polyfuse, to make device resistant against short on output


/j


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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Michael Frandsen]

On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 17:41 +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote:

> I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit.
> 
> The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution 
> matters too.
> 
> And even more important. Price and availability.
> 
> What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises 
> are you ready to make?
> This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options poll. 
> What goes is eventually a question that can only be answered by looking 
> at sold units in retrospect.
> What you all want is unimportant, because you can not honestly say that 
> it will bias your buying decision in a way you would admit now.
> 
> I would like openmoko to do bold steps.
> But they should also be careful.
> 
> 
> Tilman Baumann wrote:
> > Vikas Saurabh wrote:
> >> I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone
> >> might get excited with iPhone's UI.
> >>
> >> What we would have to remember:
> >> * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all
> >> the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun
> >> of high reso is gone
> >> * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but
> >> is often manageable with fingers as well
> >>
> > Agree.
> > Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res 
> > screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad.
> > 
> > I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same 
> > quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is 
> > pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes 
> > pretty much failed)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

I admit I voted for capacitive screen without consider all the aspect.
My primary reason was more protected screen and force finger friendly
(which more or less not exist now, more a software issue).

I have a pda I use mostly for car navigation the bigger screen is nice
there. I also use it for connect to internet, use it as voip phone, when
possible, using wifi. It does not have build in gps what was main reason
why I bought my neo (and better portability).

I like the size on neo maybe a little slimmer and I dont want it to be
bigger because then it would be more trouble some to bring with me all
over. My pda is to big I can just squeeze it into my jacket inside
pocket but I have often accidentally activated it often with drain
battery.

My pda have the normal 5 navigation buttons + 4 application buttons
below screen. I never use the navigation buttons only the 4 application
button mostly because I can program them to whatever to activate things
even other programs use the full screen and no hide function.

I like the size and resolution of current neo and the fact that it can
be used for stylus in case programs not finger friendly even it be rare.
Maybe the edge could be smaller so a finger easily can press all the way
to the edge. I can see the benefit for a few buttons to assist a GUI
that need a bigger screen area. If I just needed a small linux computer
to run desktop like applications then I wanted a full keyboard but then
whole benefit of small size and very easy portability is gone then.
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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Dale Maggee]

Sometimes I wish this was Slashdot:
"Score: 5, Insightful"

:)

Stroller wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2008, at 16:41, Tilman Baumann wrote:
>   
>> I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is  
>> bullshit.
>> 
>
> +1
>
> I when I finished reading this list yesterday it had only 3 replies,  
> and thought about replying.
>
> Unless your email address ends in @openmoko.com, please keep "surveys"  
> and "votes" off this list!
>
> They seem to generate a very high number of posts lacking in  
> thoughtfulness - as opposed to, say, those a thread titled "capacitive  
> screens vs touchscreens" might - and it is naive to consider what kind  
> of hardware an individual user would prefer in isolation of all the  
> other compromises that would be required to accommodate the decision.
>
>   
>> And even more important. Price and availability.
>>
>> What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which  
>> compromises
>> are you ready to make?
>> This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options  
>> poll.
>> ...
>>
>> I would like openmoko to do bold steps.
>> But they should also be careful.
>> 
>
> Introduction of a multi-touch screen would only fragment the userbase.  
> 10,000 Freerunner owners would be bitching that they can't run  
> $new.app because it requires the new screen type; owners of the new  
> device would be bitching that existing apps don't use the cool new  
> interface.
>
> Hardware decisions are best made by those who actually have an insight  
> into ALL the variables of the planned hardware. The whims of you & I  
> are simply irrelevant if Openmoko / FIC are unable to purchase multi- 
> touch screens. In case you're not aware, hardware decisions have  
> already been constrained by an unavailability of parts in such small  
> quantities as those used in Openmoko devices - you might have to buy  
> 100,000 or 1,000,000 units before the vendor will talk to you.
>
> Besides that, GTA03 is no longer subject to change - isn't it stupid  
> to be making plans (especially when you're not in a position to do so)  
> for GTA04 or 05, when the hardware available by that time might be  
> quite different from what is on the market now?
>
> Thanks for cluttering up my inbox with this irrelevancy.
>
> Stroller.
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Re: [Android] Soft keyboard

[drac2000]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> 
> 
> But you can also just copy the .apk file directly on the SD card
> second partition, under /app
> (by exemple via ssh if you booted another distro, just copy under
> /media/mmcblk0p2/app/ )
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Can you please explain little bit more.
That this mean you can have android flashed and another distro installed on
sd card.
I would like to have such setup android / qtopia on SD. Can you please
explain little bit more in details?
Thx:handshake:

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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 22 November 2008, Anton Persson wrote:
> > > If you want those applications then you
> > > need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active
> > > you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your
> > > application only have _half_ a VGA display. This practically eliminates
> > > the pro that people here have been bringing up, the full VGA display.
> >
> > The Psion's only half-VGA and it works fine there. The Psion does make
> > better
> > use of the screen space, but that's an application issue.
>
> Which means that you would still be happy if you had a slightly bigger
> display and a slightly thicker stylus, right?

Probably not. I found the lack of precision on the iPhone intensely irritating 
when I tried it. I also found that my touches were often not registered, 
probably because I am used to tiny fingertip or fingernail touches that work 
well on resistive screens. The G1 seemed to behave similarly. I could 
probably relearn my touchscreen use, but the loss of precision would be a 
constant background irritant and will preclude the use of small target areas 
that the high pixel density makes possible. Perhaps it's due to years of 
Psion use, but I'm almost as accurate with a fingernail as I am with a 
stylus.

> Maybe even happier if you could use both
> your thumbs to push buttons on the on-screen keyboard. (For shift/alt keys
> etc. But of course, that could be solved by adding a couple of more real
> buttons..)

That would be good, but would be multipointer not simply multitouch. The 
iPhone can't do it if the guitar-type apps are anyting to go by. Now MPX is 
in mailline xorg we could support that, but I don't know that there's any 
touchscreen hardware available that can track multiple fingers independently. 
I don't think it's a technical problem to make one, but that's a conversation 
we've already had.

> > > If you think I'm wrong, could you please tell me in which situations
> > > you really
> > > could use application X or Y on your OpenMoko? And I mean in a
> > > situation where you would not have easy access to your EeePC in your
> > > back-pack.
> >
> > Exactly the same situations where I use them on the Psion, probably more
> > because I would carry it in situations where even the Psion is too big.
> > When
> > I first got the Psion I found myself using it in many more situations
> > than I
>
> had expected, simply because it was there and it worked.
>
>
> OK, that's a convincing example to me.  But I'm not convinced that a
> capacitive
> screen+stylus would prevent you from doing the same things. The iPhone has
> a bigger display but is in total smaller than the OpenMoko, and correct me
> (again) if I'm wrong, but aren't there some sort of word-processor for the
> iPhone too?

The problem for me is the mismatch between the high DPI of the screen and the 
precision of the touch detection. The capacitive touchscreen would prevent us 
from making full use of the display capabilities.

>From a pure usability point of view changing from resistive to capacitive has 
upsides and downsides.
+ More robust
+ Multitouch possible
- Reduced precision
- Requires relearning for habituated resistive screen users.
>From my experience so far the downsides outweigh the upsides, but extended use 
may change my mind.

> > > On the other hand, if you add a multi touch capable LCD panel, then you
> > > would
> > > enable software developers like myself to develop a whole range of new
> > > applications that are _not_ possible on a desktop or on the current
> > > OpenMoko...
> > > Applications that you will never see on the current OpenMoko.
> > >
> > > (I'm still not ruling out the possibility of a multi touch enabled
> > > resistive screen,
> > > but I never heard of such a thing...)
> >
> > I've never seen a commercial one, but I don't think it presents too many
> > technical hurdles. unfortunately Openmoko aren't big enough to push a
> > manufacturer to make such a thing, unlike Apple.
>
> True, which means we will probably never see a resistive multi touch
> enabled screen on an OpenMoko...
>
> Best regards
>   Anton

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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Anton Persson]

>
>
> > The current OpenMoko compromise is not suitable for running a spreadsheet
> > application or a word processor.
>
> For you maybe, but Abiword and Gnumeric are working fine for me.
>

True, that's my own opinion. I think the display is too small and the input
method
is too hard. But I must confess; I generally don't use anything other than
Emacs
and Eclipse for anything close to word processing and one of the things with
emacs is that you really need a keyboard with it.. :-P


>
> > If you want those applications then you
> > need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active
> > you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your application
> > only have _half_ a VGA display. This practically eliminates the pro that
> > people here have been bringing up, the full VGA display.
>
> The Psion's only half-VGA and it works fine there. The Psion does make
> better
> use of the screen space, but that's an application issue.
>

Which means that you would still be happy if you had a slightly bigger
display
and a slightly thicker stylus, right? Maybe even happier if you could use
both
your thumbs to push buttons on the on-screen keyboard. (For shift/alt keys
etc. But of course, that could be solved by adding a couple of more real
buttons..)


> >
> > If you think I'm wrong, could you please tell me in which situations you
> > really
> > could use application X or Y on your OpenMoko? And I mean in a situation
> > where you would not have easy access to your EeePC in your back-pack.
>
> Exactly the same situations where I use them on the Psion, probably more
> because I would carry it in situations where even the Psion is too big.
> When
> I first got the Psion I found myself using it in many more situations than
> I

had expected, simply because it was there and it worked.


OK, that's a convincing example to me.  But I'm not convinced that a
capacitive
screen+stylus would prevent you from doing the same things. The iPhone has
a bigger display but is in total smaller than the OpenMoko, and correct me
(again) if I'm wrong, but aren't there some sort of word-processor for the
iPhone too?


>
> > On the other hand, if you add a multi touch capable LCD panel, then you
> > would
> > enable software developers like myself to develop a whole range of new
> > applications that are _not_ possible on a desktop or on the current
> > OpenMoko...
> > Applications that you will never see on the current OpenMoko.
> >
> > (I'm still not ruling out the possibility of a multi touch enabled
> > resistive screen,
> > but I never heard of such a thing...)
>
> I've never seen a commercial one, but I don't think it presents too many
> technical hurdles. unfortunately Openmoko aren't big enough to push a
> manufacturer to make such a thing, unlike Apple.
>

True, which means we will probably never see a resistive multi touch enabled
screen on an OpenMoko...

Best regards
  Anton
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Re: Freerunner's GSM Calypso Modem Firmware Upgrade...

[Jacob Peterson]

The flash worked without a hitch for me and now I am able to use a Vodafone
prepaid SIM in my 850MHz unit while back in Europe.  I am running Om2008.9
with the 20081023 FDOM modifications applied.

Great job!

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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 22 November 2008, Anton Persson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think this is the best argument for the need of a precision stylus yet.
>
> However, as I see it, if you make this argument it means that you want
> a phone that works just like your desktop computer, but which you can
> carry along easily.. Maybe an EeePC is better suited?

I have an Aspire One, but it's too big to carry all the time. I'm looking for 
something to replace my old and dying Psion 5. I had high hopes when EPOC32 
became Symbian that a suitable smartphone would appear, but one of the first 
things they did was to remove the office type apps.

> The current OpenMoko compromise is not suitable for running a spreadsheet
> application or a word processor.

For you maybe, but Abiword and Gnumeric are working fine for me.

> If you want those applications then you 
> need to have some sort of keyboard. When the Ilume keyboard is active
> you only have perhaps 60% left of the screen. That means your application
> only have _half_ a VGA display. This practically eliminates the pro that
> people here have been bringing up, the full VGA display.

The Psion's only half-VGA and it works fine there. The Psion does make better 
use of the screen space, but that's an application issue.

> Then add the fact that 
> using the Ilume keyboard with a spreadsheet is, well, daunting. I can't
> imagine the pain I would feel if I had to go through that ordeal.

For you maybe, but it's fine for me in light use. If I need to do anything 
heavier there's always the Bluetooth keyboard.

> So yes, the current situation makes it easy to _run_ ye old' X applications
> we all love on the desktop... But _using_ them in this setup.. I don't
> think so.
>
> If you think I'm wrong, could you please tell me in which situations you
> really
> could use application X or Y on your OpenMoko? And I mean in a situation
> where you would not have easy access to your EeePC in your back-pack.

Exactly the same situations where I use them on the Psion, probably more 
because I would carry it in situations where even the Psion is too big. When 
I first got the Psion I found myself using it in many more situations than I 
had expected, simply because it was there and it worked.

> On the other hand, if you add a multi touch capable LCD panel, then you
> would
> enable software developers like myself to develop a whole range of new
> applications that are _not_ possible on a desktop or on the current
> OpenMoko...
> Applications that you will never see on the current OpenMoko.
>
> (I'm still not ruling out the possibility of a multi touch enabled
> resistive screen,
> but I never heard of such a thing...)

I've never seen a commercial one, but I don't think it presents too many 
technical hurdles. unfortunately Openmoko aren't big enough to push a 
manufacturer to make such a thing, unlike Apple.

> Best regards
>Anton Persson
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Leonti Bielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why do we need capacitive display?
> > We still are not going to solve hanging up during the call - because
> > capacitive screen does it too - the only way to avoid that is by doing
> > it in software.
> > Someone said - it will be a good motivation to make programs more
> > finger-friendly. What I like about Freerunner is that I can find some
> > program, compile it and use it straight on Freerunner. With the
> > capacitive screen we can forget about most gtk, fltk apps, just
> > because they need stylus to be used. Do we really want to have a
> > system that is based on linux, but looks like every other phone
> > platform?
> > Now imagine we have calc sheet application on the phone. Whis the
> > resolution of FR we can see really a lot, and what is important we can
> > manipulate cells in it. Can you do it with your finger? (with the
> > capacitive touchscreen you can't even use your fingernail).
> > What I mean is that  the ability to use other objects to manipulate
> > the screen is an advantage, not a disadvantage.
> >
> > Leonti
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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Anton Persson]

He, actually you're right.. I withdraw that remark.. It's OK hardware,
but with an excellent aesthetic design, and an innovative UI. A UI that
would
not have been possible if the multi-touch hardware was not in place.

/Anton

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM, robert lazarski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Anton Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make
> > poor
> > hardware decisions, but the opposite.
>
> Converesely, one could argue that apple has very mediocre hardware and
> its strength is both UI and things just work. Not that use apple for
> anything. More clutter ;-( .
>
> - R
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Re: [FSO] First steps

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 22 November 2008, julien cubizolles wrote:
> Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 15:57 -0500, Joel Newkirk a écrit :
>
> Thanks a lot for your detailed reply.
>
> > > Calendar : openmoko-calendar2 isn't available in repositories. What can
> > > I use ? I
> >
> > I don't have anything for you on these.
>
> It can wait. Just out of curiosity, is there some work being done on
> this front ?

A PIM interface is on the roadmap for FSO, but I don't know if work has 
started yet. It is likely to use an existing PIM dbus API, possibly with 
extensions if required. Evolution Data Server and Akonadi spring to mind as 
contenders. Telepathy may have a place too, though its VoIP capabilities 
overlap somewhat with the call control interface we already have.

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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[robert lazarski]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Anton Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make
> poor
> hardware decisions, but the opposite.

Converesely, one could argue that apple has very mediocre hardware and
its strength is both UI and things just work. Not that use apple for
anything. More clutter ;-( .

- R

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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Anton Persson]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Stroller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> > I would like openmoko to do bold steps.
> > But they should also be careful.
>
> Introduction of a multi-touch screen would only fragment the userbase.
> 10,000 Freerunner owners would be bitching that they can't run
> $new.app because it requires the new screen type; owners of the new
> device would be bitching that existing apps don't use the cool new

interface.
>

Well, that might be true.. But the case might also be that the userbase
will shrink if nothing is done. That depends on what people want from
their hardware. The lack of a new type of user interface which some of
us believe is far superior on a hand held device will at least make me
think twice before buying a new OpenMoko.. I bought the GTA02 since
I found what OpenMoko was doing a great thing and I wanted to support
that good effort.. But if the hardware is always a couple or more
generations behind the leading pack then it's not much use, then I'm just
trying to help
a hopeless cause. The phone is a hardware disabled toy.

I certainly don't speak for everyone, since there are plenty of voices for
the
current solution as seen in this thread, but I think the user base will
shrink
steadily while the use of multi touch gets more and more users on the big
platforms. It's the future as I see it, and either we place us in the
future, or
we place us in the past... With a platform as the OpenMoko we have that
choice.


> Hardware decisions are best made by those who actually have an insight
> into ALL the variables of the planned hardware. The whims of you & I
> are simply irrelevant if Openmoko / FIC are unable to purchase multi-
> touch screens. In case you're not aware, hardware decisions have
> already been constrained by an unavailability of parts in such small
> quantities as those used in Openmoko devices - you might have to buy
> 100,000 or 1,000,000 units before the vendor will talk to you.
>

Yes, that's makes it a catch 22, because if you don't put together a
hardware solution that is good enough, then the amount of people
buying it will be small... And if you can't sell enough then you can't
buy the good parts.. If that makes you aim low, then why bother at
all?


>
> Besides that, GTA03 is no longer subject to change - isn't it stupid
> to be making plans (especially when you're not in a position to do so)
> for GTA04 or 05, when the hardware available by that time might be
> quite different from what is on the market now?
>
>
I know that the GTA03 is probably all decided hardware wise... But I think
this might be a good discussion anyway. And the market is big, apple has
shown
that... And note that Apple doesn't have it's reputation since they make
poor
hardware decisions, but the opposite. There's still a future out there
tomorrow
and if we want to we can be part of it too.

 Best regards
   Anton
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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Stroller]

On 21 Nov 2008, at 16:41, Tilman Baumann wrote:
>
> I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is  
> bullshit.

+1

I when I finished reading this list yesterday it had only 3 replies,  
and thought about replying.

Unless your email address ends in @openmoko.com, please keep "surveys"  
and "votes" off this list!

They seem to generate a very high number of posts lacking in  
thoughtfulness - as opposed to, say, those a thread titled "capacitive  
screens vs touchscreens" might - and it is naive to consider what kind  
of hardware an individual user would prefer in isolation of all the  
other compromises that would be required to accommodate the decision.

> And even more important. Price and availability.
>
> What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which  
> compromises
> are you ready to make?
> This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options  
> poll.
> ...
>
> I would like openmoko to do bold steps.
> But they should also be careful.

Introduction of a multi-touch screen would only fragment the userbase.  
10,000 Freerunner owners would be bitching that they can't run  
$new.app because it requires the new screen type; owners of the new  
device would be bitching that existing apps don't use the cool new  
interface.

Hardware decisions are best made by those who actually have an insight  
into ALL the variables of the planned hardware. The whims of you & I  
are simply irrelevant if Openmoko / FIC are unable to purchase multi- 
touch screens. In case you're not aware, hardware decisions have  
already been constrained by an unavailability of parts in such small  
quantities as those used in Openmoko devices - you might have to buy  
100,000 or 1,000,000 units before the vendor will talk to you.

Besides that, GTA03 is no longer subject to change - isn't it stupid  
to be making plans (especially when you're not in a position to do so)  
for GTA04 or 05, when the hardware available by that time might be  
quite different from what is on the market now?

Thanks for cluttering up my inbox with this irrelevancy.

Stroller.

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Re: [FSO] First steps

[julien cubizolles]

Le mercredi 19 novembre 2008 à 15:57 -0500, Joel Newkirk a écrit :

Thanks a lot for your detailed reply.

> > Calendar : openmoko-calendar2 isn't available in repositories. What can
> > I use ? I
> 
> I don't have anything for you on these.

It can wait. Just out of curiosity, is there some work being done on
this front ?

> > GPS : 

> You can just fire up Tango and frameworkd will activate the GPS for it. 
> The other two tabs in zhone (from memory - I'm running SHR right now) are:
> an itemized list of satellites it's seeing, and a polar graph on which it
> plots satellites.  (so at the start they're blank and a dartboard,
> respectively)

I took the time to test it and I could indeed get a fix from tangoGPS.
Didn't get back to the Zhone gps display to check it. I will soon.

> > Power Management settings: 
> I think frameworkd handles power management, not illume.

I finally figured it out.


> > Several applications from the Home menu (terminal, Htop for instance)
> > won't start.
> 
> You can try changing /usr/share/applications/htop.desktop to exec
> "openmoko-terminal2 htop", or install xterm and exec "xterm -e htop". (I've
> done the latter)  What else isn't starting?

openmoko-agpsui, Terminal, numptyphysics. I'll check through ssh what is
the reason.

Julien.



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Re: [Debian -FSO -GPS] No Fix

[Davide Scaini]

I have the same problem... updated debian and now sephora is not working and
no gps fix... very annoying
d

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Sascha Wessel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:56:33PM -0800, Fragggy wrote:
> > I think so.
> >
> > cat
> >
> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
> > shows a 1
> >
> > I have put the Freerunner next to a window over Night and logt the output
> of
> > /dev/ttySAC1.
> > After a few minutes I got Messages like this:
> >
> > $GPRMC,073904.00,A,5127.73160,N,00651.01957,E,0.229,279.62,201108,,,A*66
> > $GPVTG,279.62,T,,M,0.229,N,0.424,K,A*3E
> > $GPGGA,073904.00,5127.73160,N,00651.01957,E,1,09,0.92,26.1,M,47.5,M,,*6E
> > $GPGSA,A,3,05,04,09,29,12,30,02,14,321.49,0.92,1.17*07
> > $GPGSV,3,1,11,05,78,276,25,17,03,039,,04,21,068,32,09,48,135,28*7A
> > $GPGSV,3,2,11,29,19,200,27,12,83,044,28,30,50,263,37,02,18,113,29*78
> > $GPGSV,3,3,11,14,42,290,33,32,05,344,33,31,04
> >
> >
> > but still no fix this morning.
>
> Restart and then please do not read/write from/to /dev/ttySAC1.
> For further informations, search the ml archives...
>
> Greetings,
> Sascha
>
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Re: Survey about the Touchscreen

[Anton Persson]

I agree, VGA is a step forward.

But I don't think _anyone_ on this list would say that lower resolution is
better.

I wonder, why are people bringing up the resolution as a discussion topic
when everyone agrees on it?

Best regards
   Anton

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Leonti Bielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Big resolution means better image quality.
> We can run qvga apps on our vga screen, don't we? But how can we run
> vga apps on qvga screen?
> VGA screen is a step forward, QVGA is a step backward. For me it's clear.
>
> Leonti
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Thorben Krueger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > sorry for being imprecise. I was referring to the amazing resolution
> > considering the size of the display. The freerunner got 300 dpi IIRC.
> > For comparison, the iphone only seems to have 160.
> >
> > I usually demo the crispness (if you will) of my neo's screen using
> > top on the terminal at the smallest readable fontsize to great effect
> > :)
> >
> > 2008/11/21 Anton Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> You mean, the only thing that truly blows them away is the resolution
> >> of the screen... Which you can have with any type of modern LCD panel,
> >> can you not?
> >>
> >>  /Anton
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Thorben Krueger <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> +1 indeed, the screen is about the only thing that truly blows
> >>> people's minds away atm...
> >>>
> >>> 2008/11/21 Ken Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>> > Denis Galvao wrote:
> >>> >>>On 21/11/2008, at 13:20, Ken Young wrote:
> >>>  Really, we don't need a hi res screen on a day by day gadget
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I could not possibly disagree more strongly.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>So, give me a reason where you will need that.
> >>> >
> >>> > As long as we have at least a VGA resolution screen, it is
> >>> > relatively easy for us to port linux desktop applications to
> >>> > the Openmoko phones.   Once we drop down to HVGA, or (heaven
> >>> > forbid!) QVGA, there will need to be extensive UI redesign
> >>> > to get most apps. from the desktop world to run on an OM phone,
> >>> > especially when a soft keyboard is needed.   So reducing the
> >>> > resolution will greatly reduce the code base we can leverage.
> >>> > In addition, I don't think you can ever had too many pixels on
> >>> > a machine you intend to run a web browser on.   Right now,
> >>> > when I show someone my Freerunner, the only thing that impresses
> >>> > them is the display.   It would be a shame if OM dropped the
> >>> > one part of its hardware that is actually superior to what
> >>> > is found on other smartphones.
> >>> >
> >>> > Ken Young
> >>> >
> >>> >
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