Re: Selected questions to Sean
Dear Minh Please give me about a week to reply to these questions. I'm going to be traveling a lot starting tonight so things will be very hectic for a while. I appreciate all your work to collect / organize such great topics. -Sean Minh Ha Duong wrote: Dear Sean, I received a great number of responses, most containing 3-10 questions. So I cheated a bit, and in this selection of 10 points most are actually multiple questions. Q1. The end of the year is a time to look back on the year achievements. So where does Openmoko stands now from a business point of view ? Could you comment on sustainability, on sales numbers, on geographic markets and customer categories ? Q2. The god of January has two faces, one looking back and one looking forward, so... Juergen, Eric in Japan and practically everybody else want to know when will the GTA03 phone be released, if it will have 3G/3.5G, a camera and the kitchen sink. Can you tell us anything yet ? Where do you want Openmoko to be in December 2009 ? Q3. The mandatory dogfood question was submitted by Yorik Moko: Do you use the FreeRunner as your daily phone, which distro and what is your favorite application ? Q4. Todd would like to know exactly what are your feelings about Android and its impact on the OpenMoko OS. Q5. Kosa and Marco wondered if you could say us something about the management that doesn't seem to be loved by great hackers like Harald and Carsten. For example, what is your analysis of the controversies that led Om2008 to ship with Qtopia's predictive keyboard. Q6. There are many Openmoko communities in languages other than English now. Swap38 asks how can they best contribute back to the project, and if there are plans to organize the diversity around a common model, as OpenOffice.org did for example. What is the status of the internationalization and localization effort ? Q7. Let's be reflexive, kind of we have to talk about our relationship, dear. Tilman, supported by Michelle, wonders to which extend the community has met your expectations. More precisely, could you name an area where it did not, perhaps like an application that you would have expected be written already ? Q8. On the other hand, Tim and others would like to know the most interesting or fun thing you have seen the Freerunner used for ? Q9. And where do you think could any person do the most for the project right now? Think of if that person would be ideal and have all the skills needed. And then, which skills are in most need right now and in the future? Q10. To conclude, can we have a video of you in Openmoko T-shirt and geek-cap, having a phone chat with star hackers, using Neo FreeRunners at both ends, telling each other your favourite Freerunner joke ? Please ? Thanks everybody for taking the time to ask these questions, and thanks if advance for your replies, Minh -- Attached: All the questions received. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:52:09 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled: Dylan Reilly schrieb: FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. WOOHOO!!! you made my day dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff has been done to the theme: Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine. Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment). Billk I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time lately, with SHR. And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5% and bring it back through a single change: I've been tweaking some Oxygen icons and using them under SHR - 256x256 png versions. (Why? Well, I like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated) Anyway, changing from the 256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%, restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: om-manager 0.1.0 released
_ De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Ilja O. Envoyé : samedi 20 décembre 2008 16:53 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : om-manager 0.1.0 released Hello. I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0 version of om-manager. Om-manager is host computer-based Freerunner controlling utility. Currently it's able to flash Freeruner smartphone (dfu-util required), get logs, backup filesystem parts (to archive file on host computer) also it implements simple opkg package manager and remote control via VNC (x11vnc package on phone is required). All functionality (except Flashing) is implemented trough SSH connection and does not require any extra programs installed on phone itself (except ones that are needed to perform specefied tasks, e.g. vnc server or opkg utility). Whole application is pure Python. Project home: http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ Please, if somebody is willing to check it -- do it. I would be really happy to see any feedback from any other people -- about usability, functionality or coding style. It took me quite a while to do it, but have a mercy -- I'm doing it alone. I've personally used it on Windows, Linux and OSX. So I guess they can be defined as officially supported operating systems. Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: om-manager 0.1.0 released
Woopsie. Looks like i sent a blank mail, apologies. I tried it under windows : i had to create the app\log directory, or it would fail. ( IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'D:\\OM\\om-manager_00.01.00.tar\\dist\\om-manager\\app\\log\\program.log' ) Now, it fails probably because of a path setting : ImportError: No module named wx I have installed wxwidgets-2.8.9, from the MSI file. What did i miss? Looks like i need to export a path, but which? Thanks in advance, this apps looks interesting! _ De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Ilja O. Envoyé : samedi 20 décembre 2008 16:53 À : List for Openmoko community discussion Objet : om-manager 0.1.0 released Hello. I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0 version of om-manager. Om-manager is host computer-based Freerunner controlling utility. Currently it's able to flash Freeruner smartphone (dfu-util required), get logs, backup filesystem parts (to archive file on host computer) also it implements simple opkg package manager and remote control via VNC (x11vnc package on phone is required). All functionality (except Flashing) is implemented trough SSH connection and does not require any extra programs installed on phone itself (except ones that are needed to perform specefied tasks, e.g. vnc server or opkg utility). Whole application is pure Python. Project home: http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ Please, if somebody is willing to check it -- do it. I would be really happy to see any feedback from any other people -- about usability, functionality or coding style. It took me quite a while to do it, but have a mercy -- I'm doing it alone. I've personally used it on Windows, Linux and OSX. So I guess they can be defined as officially supported operating systems. Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:07:45 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us babbled: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:52:09 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled: Dylan Reilly schrieb: FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. WOOHOO!!! you made my day dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff has been done to the theme: Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine. Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment). Billk I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time lately, with SHR. And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5% and bring it back through a single change: I've been tweaking some Oxygen icons and using them under SHR - 256x256 png versions. (Why? Well, I like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated) Anyway, changing from the 256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%, restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%. icons include battery too? -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
swap38 wrote: Ed Kapitein a écrit : I ran into a similar problem. The solution that worked for me was: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin I will retry to flash all manually. OK, ssh works fine now. But there's no wifi settings :( please, help ! /swap38 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Om-2008.12--No-ssh---no-wifi---tp1682347p1689476.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
wifi settings? - what do you mean. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 01:47 -0800, swap38 wrote: swap38 wrote: Ed Kapitein a écrit : I ran into a similar problem. The solution that worked for me was: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin I will retry to flash all manually. OK, ssh works fine now. But there's no wifi settings :( please, help ! /swap38 -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
Hi Swap38, There is no item in the settings panel, but working with iwconfig and wpa_supplicant works fine. Please take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi and use the manual method of setting up your network. I find it usefull to start in a well known state, so i issue: ifconfig eth0 down iwconfig eth0 txpower off iwconfig eth0 channel 0 iwconfig eth0 essid off before i make new settings for the wireless connection. Good luck! Kind regards, Ed On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 01:47 -0800, swap38 wrote: swap38 wrote: Ed Kapitein a écrit : I ran into a similar problem. The solution that worked for me was: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin I will retry to flash all manually. OK, ssh works fine now. But there's no wifi settings :( please, help ! /swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Selected questions to Sean
Will need some time on this. Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Minh Please give me about a week to reply to these questions. I'm going to be traveling a lot starting tonight so things will be very hectic for a while. I appreciate all your work to collect / organize such great topics. -Sean Minh Ha Duong wrote: Dear Sean, I received a great number of responses, most containing 3-10 questions. So I cheated a bit, and in this selection of 10 points most are actually multiple questions. Q1. The end of the year is a time to look back on the year achievements. So where does Openmoko stands now from a business point of view ? Could you comment on sustainability, on sales numbers, on geographic markets and customer categories ? Q2. The god of January has two faces, one looking back and one looking forward, so... Juergen, Eric in Japan and practically everybody else want to know when will the GTA03 phone be released, if it will have 3G/3.5G, a camera and the kitchen sink. Can you tell us anything yet ? Where do you want Openmoko to be in December 2009 ? Q3. The mandatory dogfood question was submitted by Yorik Moko: Do you use the FreeRunner as your daily phone, which distro and what is your favorite application ? Q4. Todd would like to know exactly what are your feelings about Android and its impact on the OpenMoko OS. Q5. Kosa and Marco wondered if you could say us something about the management that doesn't seem to be loved by great hackers like Harald and Carsten. For example, what is your analysis of the controversies that led Om2008 to ship with Qtopia's predictive keyboard. Q6. There are many Openmoko communities in languages other than English now. Swap38 asks how can they best contribute back to the project, and if there are plans to organize the diversity around a common model, as OpenOffice.org did for example. What is the status of the internationalization and localization effort ? Q7. Let's be reflexive, kind of we have to talk about our relationship, dear. Tilman, supported by Michelle, wonders to which extend the community has met your expectations. More precisely, could you name an area where it did not, perhaps like an application that you would have expected be written already ? Q8. On the other hand, Tim and others would like to know the most interesting or fun thing you have seen the Freerunner used for ? Q9. And where do you think could any person do the most for the project right now? Think of if that person would be ideal and have all the skills needed. And then, which skills are in most need right now and in the future? Q10. To conclude, can we have a video of you in Openmoko T-shirt and geek-cap, having a phone chat with star hackers, using Neo FreeRunners at both ends, telling each other your favourite Freerunner joke ? Please ? Thanks everybody for taking the time to ask these questions, and thanks if advance for your replies, Minh -- Attached: All the questions received. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ha scritto: Billk I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time lately, with SHR. And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5% and bring it back through a single change: I've been tweaking some Oxygen icons and using them under SHR - 256x256 png versions. (Why? Well, I like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated) Anyway, changing from the 256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%, restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%. icons include battery too? Hi! Same problem here with a fresh installed (onto SD card) SHR (snapshot of 16 December w/ kernel of 14 December). Enlightenment takes 40-60% CPU but I was not able to find a solutions, will try this icon trick and let you know. Bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Selected questions to Sean
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008, Steve Mosher a écrit : Will need some time on this. Sure. I was actually planning to publish the interview for year's end. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.12 and USB network Ubuntu Intrepid
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:51:35 -0800 (PST) Bernt be...@trash-mail.com wrote: On FR I've installed 2008.12 and on my laptop Ubuntu Interpid with wicd. I have to use `sudo ifdown usb0` and `sudo ifup usb0` every time I reboot or unplugged the usb cable from my freerunner. It's not so nice, but you can give it a try until there is a solution again for automatic reconnect. Probably there is some proper fix to get this running cleanly, but I resorted to a simple script that simply configures the interface when I plug in the freerunner. It's found below and I just start it manually once after logging in. // Simon #!/bin/sh echo Starting ifcfg daemon while [ 1 ]; do tail -F /var/log/kern.log | grep -lq usb0: register 'cdc_ether' if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then echo Setting up usb0 /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 else sleep 1 fi done ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New 2008.12 Release
What is gta02v5-lowlevel.bin made for? only for you to ask -- and me to answer: check the archives, it has been answered often enough. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Battery arrived On Time and on Perfect Condition (Was: Bad Customer support from Truebox.com about a Broken Battery)
Hi, i'm glad to report that the whole matter resolved well. Hours after i had post my complaints on Dec 10 i received an email from Truebox explaining me that they have the good-will to send me a battery, and later they provided me with the tracking-id of the new package. And exactly on week later, Wednesday on Dec 17th i got hold of the new battery. I installed it on my FR, and there it was... the power-button turned to 'orange' and after some hours turned to blue - i had read about these colors in the ML but i never had the chance to see them my self, so far! No more excuses for letting FR get dusty. I want to thank Elsie Lee and Steve Mosher for they were kind enough to offer me a replacement battery, with no exchange! I declined their offer deciding to rely on Truebox, and as i have said, Truebox proved a trustworthy commercial-partner to the openmoko community. I also want to thank the members of the community who posted to this thread their frank support to my problem. I believe that their views encouraged the positive resolution of this matter. Sincere Regards to everybody involved Kostis On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM, ankostis ankos...@gmail.com wrote: (At least now i got a reply!) Your reply raises 3 immediate issues: 1) If you were indeed willing to do business with me *before*, why then did you ignore my last 2+1 mails (see next issue), on Oct 31, Dec the 1st and Dec the 5th? 2) Since you claimed to have sent me already 1 battery and got lost, and after i had personally instructed you to choose a service with tracking capabilities from my country's postal-service, why did you choose to ignore that mail? [3] 3) How can you be so sure about whom to blame for the missed delivery of the battery? Why should it be a problem with my postal-service and not yours? How does that attitude imply your willing to do business with me? Ok, the money issue is not so important, but the failed-to-deliver support, it is, therefore i choose to go public with it. It is my attitude not to bargain or blackmail anyone to provide me with decent customer-support, therefore i choose *not* to warn you before sending this complaint mail, but provide you with enough pings' to reply. I need to insist that it was *after* you repeatedly ignored my mails that i went public with this issue. I have been struggling with your services from September, and now it has been 3 months since then. Although that you state publicly that you choose not to do any more business with me, i hope that this mail will encourage you to stand-up to your promises to other OpenMoko adopters for the good of the community. Kostis Anagnostopoulos [3] My mail asking you to choose a service with tracking capabilities: -- Forwarded message -- From: ankostis ankos...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Problem with new battery] To: Rob Wood r...@truebox.co.uk Hi Rob, i'm very sorry to hear that my problem has cost TrueBox 2 batteries, but i assure you that if i finally end-up with 2 batteries, i will send the spare one back to you, just as an appreciation of your attitude so far, Rob. Yet, at the moment, i have no battery at all! My Home address is: ... Greece My Job Address is: ... Greece You have succesfully sent me my FR at the second-one (job). If you choose that one, i would prefer that the packaging is small so as to avoid any complains on behalf of our support-staff. I don't mind waiting for 1-2 weeks or even more, but i would recommend that your postage-service does indeed provide for package-tracking, in order to avoid any problems this time. (I know, for instance, that the Greek Post-Office provides tracking even for the cheapest of packagings) Thank you in Advance, Kostis Anagnostopoulos On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Customer Services customerservi...@truebox.co.uk wrote: Kostis It is a real shame that you consider bad mouthing us in public is good practice. We have sent you 2 batteries that have not arrived entirely at our cost, you claim you have not received them but we have no way to verify that is the case. We cannot send batteries with tracking numbers as that increases the cost 3 fold, we have done everything we can to rectify your problem, we cannot be held responsible for courier/postal services in your country. We get complains from customers who ask why we send packages that must be signed for! Whatever we do as a company we cannot make everyone happy, people have different opinions of what should be done. What I will say is that we have many happy customers and your bad mouthing of us in public when we have tried to resolve your problem is not acceptable and you can take it from us now that we will no longer do business with you as an individual because of that. ankostis wrote: Hi, as a last resort i'm reporting publicly my problems regarding a
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: Woopsie. Looks like i sent a blank mail, apologies. I tried it under windows : i had to create the app\log directory, or it would fail. ( IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'D:\\OM\\om-manager_00.01.00.tar\\dist\\om-manager\\app\\log\\program.log' ) Now, it fails probably because of a path setting : ImportError: No module named wx I have installed wxwidgets-2.8.9, from the MSI file. What did i miss? Looks like i need to export a path, but which? Thanks in advance, this apps looks interesting! First of all, there is wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/) and wxPython ( http://wxpython.org/) wxPython is basically Python bindings to wxwdgets (since wxWidgets is the C++ Library, it can't be used directly by Python). So, if you have installed wxWidgets (that is C++ library), you should insall wxPython and should feel free to remove wxWidgets (if You don't use it for something else, of course). If You have installed wxPython and have several Python versions installed, you could check that you're installed wxPython for same Python interpriter that you have in `PATH` (that python that is executed by 'python' command in shell). For my Windows installations I've always used wxPython from installer andit worked fine. And thank You for report. Haven't checked this one. Fill fix soon (0.1.1 will contain some fixes inspired by this mailing list plus py2exe wrap of program itself). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
This is all very interesting (and sad, of course). 2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules so you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of $100-$300 per module (depending who you go to and the volume you buy). this is where someone developed the module (did what nokia/apple etc. do) and now re-sell their work. 1-offs i have seen for sale for $250 or so for a 3g module. buy in bulk and you get a discount of course (thus the $100-$300 range). and the fewer suppliers in between the better. The Telit UC864-G mentioned on the MokoForesight page is a global 3.5G module with built-in GPS. I don't know of it's actual suitability for OM. http://www.telit.com/en/products/umts-hsdpa.php?p_id=14p_ac=showp=14 This company, Round Solutions, sells it: http://www.roundsolutions.com/uc864.htm And they have a price list: http://www.roundsolutions.com/pdf/Price-Modules-GSM.pdf Which lists it at €145 for 100-500 quantity. That is around US $200. Clearly very expensive. But the quantity we are talking about Openmoko buying is at least an order of magnitude larger, so I wonder how much below $200 the module could be bought. And it does integrate the GPS chip (a small saving there though). Anyway, I thought some people might be interested in a solid example with pricing. It is costly, that is for sure. I'd still be interested to see how much the UC864-G costs when buying in bulk of 10K. Can anyone else find figures for this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Does OM even sell that many units? I thought it was more in the 3-5k range as of now. The Telit module would be nice, but is quite expensive. I've also looked at Sierra, but all their modules are MiniPCI based. One of the neat things about going with a Telit module, would be OM could ship with the 'low-end' modem (GSM/GPRS/EDGE, maybe?), and it would be user-upgradeable to a 3/3G/CDMA module. Additionally, if Telit puts out new modules in the future, we could just purchase those and stick them in our phones. It'd be nice if OpenMoko resold them at a discounted price of course :-). I understand the antenna problem, and RF issues. We would have to figure out a way to make that work. For now: I am very happy with the choice of the mc75i. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:50 AM, Justyn Butler justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote: This is all very interesting (and sad, of course). 2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules so you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of $100-$300 per module (depending who you go to and the volume you buy). this is where someone developed the module (did what nokia/apple etc. do) and now re-sell their work. 1-offs i have seen for sale for $250 or so for a 3g module. buy in bulk and you get a discount of course (thus the $100-$300 range). and the fewer suppliers in between the better. The Telit UC864-G mentioned on the MokoForesight page is a global 3.5G module with built-in GPS. I don't know of it's actual suitability for OM. http://www.telit.com/en/products/umts-hsdpa.php?p_id=14p_ac=showp=14 This company, Round Solutions, sells it: http://www.roundsolutions.com/uc864.htm And they have a price list: http://www.roundsolutions.com/pdf/Price-Modules-GSM.pdf Which lists it at €145 for 100-500 quantity. That is around US $200. Clearly very expensive. But the quantity we are talking about Openmoko buying is at least an order of magnitude larger, so I wonder how much below $200 the module could be bought. And it does integrate the GPS chip (a small saving there though). Anyway, I thought some people might be interested in a solid example with pricing. It is costly, that is for sure. I'd still be interested to see how much the UC864-G costs when buying in bulk of 10K. Can anyone else find figures for this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Opkg front-end ZOMG! updated
new version is out. still no features added, but i re-wrote most of the code. now it is faster and doesn't care anymore if you use cacao or jamvm (i recommend jamvm, because it is damn fast and small) further info can be optianed at the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ZOMG!#Update_22.2F12.2F2008 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Enlightenment
Hi, i have installed enlightenment with the easy_e17.sh script from http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh , first i can't compile notification and screenshot (i skipped these) then i want to compile a little program i have from the ewl book #include stdio.h #include Ewl.h void destroy_cb(Ewl_Widget *w, void *event, void *data) { ewl_widget_destroy(w); ewl_main_quit(); } int main(int argc, char ** argv) { Ewl_Widget *win = NULL; if (!ewl_init(argc, argv)) { printf(Unable to init ewl\n); return 1; } win = ewl_window_new(); ewl_window_title_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL Window); ewl_window_name_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL_WINDOW); ewl_window_class_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWLWindow); ewl_object_size_request(EWL_OBJECT(win), 200, 100); ewl_callback_append(win, EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW, destroy_cb, NULL); ewl_widget_show(win); ewl_main(); return 0; } i compiled the code with gcc main.c -I/opt/e17/include/ewl -I/opt/e17/include/ -I/opt/e17/include/eina-0 -I/opt/e17/include/eina-0/eina -L/opt/e17/lib/ewl then i get following errors /tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `destroy_cb': main.c:(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_destroy' main.c:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `ewl_main_quit' /tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `main': main.c:(.text+0x3b): undefined reference to `ewl_init' main.c:(.text+0x5c): undefined reference to `ewl_window_new' main.c:(.text+0x72): undefined reference to `ewl_window_title_set' main.c:(.text+0x85): undefined reference to `ewl_window_name_set' main.c:(.text+0x98): undefined reference to `ewl_window_class_set' main.c:(.text+0xb3): undefined reference to `ewl_object_size_request' main.c:(.text+0xb8): undefined reference to `EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW' main.c:(.text+0xd7): undefined reference to `ewl_callback_append' main.c:(.text+0xe2): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_show' main.c:(.text+0xe7): undefined reference to `ewl_main' collect2: ld gab 1 als Ende-Status zurück hope you can help me ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:50:33 + Justyn Butler justynbutler +openm...@googlemail.com babbled: thanks for the good numeric example. as you see - it's pretty much the ballpark i was talking about - and yes - u'd get a discount, but you may find the $200 goes to $100 - at best if u order 1k most likeley - more likely $120 or so. to get below that as best i know, you need to do your own module yourself - not buy a pre-made one, and thats when you make a leap into needing 100's of thousands of units at a minimum - if not a million to 10 million or so. only then can you begin to really compete. i know it sucks :( but as of right now - it's a reality of the game. not to mention companies like nokia own a raft of 3g patents (one of the reasons its so expensive is the patent nightmare surrounding it). now think of it this way - imagine 80% of the cost of a 3g module is patent fees (i imagine it is) or profit on patent fees if resold. hardware isnt that incredible - but the IP on top of it it is the costly thing. now if you are nokia and own lets say... 30% of the patents in 3g... you may pay $20 per unit in royalites but really - $6 of the $20 just goes right back into your pocket - so your money goes from pocket A to pocket B - now that $30 part just went down to $24. not bad eh? :) This is all very interesting (and sad, of course). 2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules so you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of $100-$300 per module (depending who you go to and the volume you buy). this is where someone developed the module (did what nokia/apple etc. do) and now re-sell their work. 1-offs i have seen for sale for $250 or so for a 3g module. buy in bulk and you get a discount of course (thus the $100-$300 range). and the fewer suppliers in between the better. The Telit UC864-G mentioned on the MokoForesight page is a global 3.5G module with built-in GPS. I don't know of it's actual suitability for OM. http://www.telit.com/en/products/umts-hsdpa.php?p_id=14p_ac=showp=14 This company, Round Solutions, sells it: http://www.roundsolutions.com/uc864.htm And they have a price list: http://www.roundsolutions.com/pdf/Price-Modules-GSM.pdf Which lists it at €145 for 100-500 quantity. That is around US $200. Clearly very expensive. But the quantity we are talking about Openmoko buying is at least an order of magnitude larger, so I wonder how much below $200 the module could be bought. And it does integrate the GPS chip (a small saving there though). Anyway, I thought some people might be interested in a solid example with pricing. It is costly, that is for sure. I'd still be interested to see how much the UC864-G costs when buying in bulk of 10K. Can anyone else find figures for this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OM2008.12] show/hide wifi icon
How can i show/hide the icon in the bottom bar on OM2008.12 or SHR? i want to control this feature from my python application, is it possible? How does it work? when i connect to an AP the icon magically appear but if i disconnect (killall wpa_supplicant and killall udhcpc) it remains showed in the bar. thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
No dropbear in om2008.12 ?
Hi, Two months ago I bought the FR and installed the om2008.8 version without too much worry. This last week-end, after reading this list, I decided to flash the om2008.12 version. So I downloaded the kernel and the rootfs from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ and then flashed it, no problem. Then I rebooted and pluged in the usb cable and tried to connect, no success. I can ping 192.168.0.202 but not connect via ssh. I then tried to nmap the FR and the result was all ports filtered. After reading the differents lists and forums, it seems that one must reboot a second time after flashing in order to get networking running, which i did, but still no sucess. Then I figured I should maybe activate dropbear from within the FR but big surprise, there is no terminal! I finally decided to flash with the om2008.9 version, hoping that these problems would vanish but no, still same problem. Now I don't know what to do more. Any ideas ? Thanks, Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: om-manager 0.1.0 released
First of all, there is wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/) and wxPython (http://wxpython.org/) wxPython is basically Python bindings to wxwdgets (since wxWidgets is the C++ Library, it can't be used directly by Python). So, if you have installed wxWidgets (that is C++ library), you should insall wxPython and should feel free to remove wxWidgets (if You don't use it for something else, of course). If You have installed wxPython and have several Python versions installed, you could check that you're installed wxPython for same Python interpriter that you have in `PATH` (that python that is executed by 'python' command in shell). For my Windows installations I've always used wxPython from installer andit worked fine. And thank You for report. Haven't checked this one. Fill fix soon (0.1.1 will contain some fixes inspired by this mailing list plus py2exe wrap of program itself). Thanks for the clarification. I installed wxPython, but now it complains about yaml. Would you happen to have a full list of what's needed to use om-manager? About Yaml, is it this one? http://pyyaml.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No dropbear in om2008.12 ?
I'm using OM2008.12 with no problems: networking and SSH works well. I had some problems the first time to install the terminal! Why they don't include terminal by default?! However, connecting the neo to pc through USB cable works for me. I gave the following command: sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 and then ssh r...@192.168.0.202 and it's worked for me. I've noticed that if you are connected to a network that has different addresses (your IP different from 192.168.0.*) the connection could not work. So try to disconnect from the network (sudo ifconfig ethX down), connect the neo to USB, wait a few seconds, type again the above command and try again with ssh. It worked for me. Hope this can help you. - Original Message - From: steve To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: No dropbear in om2008.12 ? Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:37 +0100 Hi, Two months ago I bought the FR and installed the om2008.8 version without too much worry. This last week-end, after reading this list, I decided to flash the om2008.12 version. So I downloaded the kernel and the rootfs from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ and then flashed it, no problem. Then I rebooted and pluged in the usb cable and tried to connect, no success. I can ping 192.168.0.202 but not connect via ssh. I then tried to nmap the FR and the result was all ports filtered. After reading the differents lists and forums, it seems that one must reboot a second time after flashing in order to get networking running, which i did, but still no sucess. Then I figured I should maybe activate dropbear from within the FR but big surprise, there is no terminal! I finally decided to flash with the om2008.9 version, hoping that these problems would vanish but no, still same problem. Now I don't know what to do more. Any ideas ? Thanks, Steve ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No dropbear in om2008.12 ?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:37 +0100, steve dl...@bluewin.ch wrote: Then I rebooted and pluged in the usb cable and tried to connect, no success. I can ping 192.168.0.202 but not connect via ssh. I then tried to nmap the FR and the result was all ports filtered. I finally decided to flash with the om2008.9 version, hoping that these problems would vanish but no, still same problem. Are you sure your own firewall is not blocking the access? Returning to a version that worked for you before should have fixed it for you, unless the reason is external to FR. -- Alexey Feldgendler ale...@feldgendler.ru [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No dropbear in om2008.12 ?
Le 22-12-2008, à 14:05:51 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler (ale...@feldgendler.ru) a écrit : Lignes : 23 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:37 +0100, steve dl...@bluewin.ch wrote: Then I rebooted and pluged in the usb cable and tried to connect, no success. I can ping 192.168.0.202 but not connect via ssh. I then tried to nmap the FR and the result was all ports filtered. I finally decided to flash with the om2008.9 version, hoping that these problems would vanish but no, still same problem. Are you sure your own firewall is not blocking the access? Yes pretty sure. Haven't changed anything since the time it work. I'm using a udev rule and a script I found somewhere on the site to make the network run. Here is the output of 'iptables -L -t nat' : Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.20.0/24 anywhere MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.3.0/24 anywhere MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.10.0/24 anywhere MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.0.0/24 anywhere Yes I have multiple networks on my box. Returning to a version that worked for you before should have fixed it for you, unless the reason is external to FR. That was my first guess, but it didn't work. What I find strange is that the ping works but nmap doesn't show an open ssh port. And what about the terminal ? How come there isn't any in om2008.12 ? Or is there and I have missed something ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR applications on Debian
2008/12/3 Sascha Wessel wes...@nefkom.net: Hi, On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:55:29AM +0100, Jelle De Loecker wrote: I switched to the enlightenment version, but now it complains about ETK and Elemental, but I have NO idea where I need to get these. I can't find any packages in the repo, on any source repository, ... http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/ Next time please search... http://git.openembedded.net/ http://shr.bearstech.com/git/ Greetings, Sascha Hi Jelle, Did you ever get any further with building the SHR apps for Debian? I'm thinking I may try to go down the same path. I've been using SHR for a week or two and my experience has been very good. But I adore Debian, so after having not used it on my Neo for a while I installed it and also Illume. To my eye, zhone is pretty much as good as the dialer application of SHR, at least at the moment, but zhone is a little intrusive on the rest of the system, and I like the idea behind ophonekitd. Also, the lack of auto-suspend with Debian is a real killer. Debian + SHR apps + Illume and I may never flash again. Let me know ... I'd like to help push this forward. Thanks, Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
Thanks for the clarification. I installed wxPython, but now it complains about yaml. Would you happen to have a full list of what's needed to use om-manager? About Yaml, is it this one? http://pyyaml.org/ You can find full list at the main page of project ( http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ ). With links to download pages of given projects (see 'Links' section at right on the main page of project). And yes, its http://pyyaml.org/ . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
test prog from the ewl-book
Hi, i have installed enlightenment with the easy_e17.sh script from http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh , first i can't compile notification and screenshot (i skipped these) then i want to compile a little program i have from the ewl book #include stdio.h #include Ewl.h void destroy_cb(Ewl_Widget *w, void *event, void *data) { ewl_widget_destroy(w); ewl_main_quit(); } int main(int argc, char ** argv) { Ewl_Widget *win = NULL; if (!ewl_init(argc, argv)) { printf(Unable to init ewl\n); return 1; } win = ewl_window_new(); ewl_window_title_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL Window); ewl_window_name_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL_WINDOW); ewl_window_class_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWLWindow); ewl_object_size_request(EWL_OBJECT(win), 200, 100); ewl_callback_append(win, EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW, destroy_cb, NULL); ewl_widget_show(win); ewl_main(); return 0; } i compiled the code with gcc main.c -I/opt/e17/include/ewl -I/opt/e17/include/ -I/opt/e17/include/eina-0 -I/opt/e17/include/eina-0/eina -L/opt/e17/lib/ewl then i get following errors /tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `destroy_cb': main.c:(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_destroy' main.c:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `ewl_main_quit' /tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `main': main.c:(.text+0x3b): undefined reference to `ewl_init' main.c:(.text+0x5c): undefined reference to `ewl_window_new' main.c:(.text+0x72): undefined reference to `ewl_window_title_set' main.c:(.text+0x85): undefined reference to `ewl_window_name_set' main.c:(.text+0x98): undefined reference to `ewl_window_class_set' main.c:(.text+0xb3): undefined reference to `ewl_object_size_request' main.c:(.text+0xb8): undefined reference to `EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW' main.c:(.text+0xd7): undefined reference to `ewl_callback_append' main.c:(.text+0xe2): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_show' main.c:(.text+0xe7): undefined reference to `ewl_main' collect2: ld gab 1 als Ende-Status zurück hope you can help me ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: om-manager 0.1.0 released
You can find full list at the main page of project ( http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ ). With links to download pages of given projects (see 'Links' section at right on the main page of project). And yes, its http://pyyaml.org/ . Uh, right. Three comments, after 10 seconds of use : - nice - detect user's homedir, instead of defaulting to /Users/ilya/Documents ? - what about proposing links to distro / kernels downloads? With maybe download of rootfs/kernel from the app? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] LXDE?
someone recently suggested using LXDE instead of XFCE -- are there any experiences in regard to responsibility, memory requirements and functionality compared to XFCE? is it really more lightweight and faster? and does openmoko-panel-plugin work (ie is there a standard systray)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
Uh, right. Three comments, after 10 seconds of use : - nice Thanks! [grin] - detect user's homedir, instead of defaulting to /Users/ilya/Documents ? Sorry, distro wrapper didn't erase plugin configs before er... creating distribution. (I only use svn checkout, really). Its pointed to user's 'Documents' folder by default (home dir on my Debian box). - what about proposing links to distro / kernels downloads? With maybe download of rootfs/kernel from the app? This cold be nice. Currently I'm fixing distro wrapping script and trying to add windows executable to distributions. I'll add Your proposal to Suggestion/Issue list ( http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/issues/list ). Hopefully I or someone else will have time to implement it [I am currently considering about possibility of starting another om-related proect, now on the phone itself]. You can join too, of course. [grin] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] LXDE?
experiences in regard to responsibility whoever might be responsible or not -- i meant responsiveness of course. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Pkg-e-devel] [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?
2008/12/22 Albin Tonnerre albin.tonne...@gmail.com: There are no e17 packages in unstable (not in the debian archive, I mean) except eet. Maybe you're getting your packages from a third-party repository ? We put the image loaders and savers in the same package as libevas: libevas0, so you're likely not missing anything. Still, I'm curious about where those packages are from. Could you provide the result of `apt-cache policy libevas0` ? That would help Regards, Albin Many thanks for your response. Unfortunately I can't try that command now, because I've overwritten my SD card with hackable:1. From memory, though, I'm 99% sure that my sources.list only contained Debian and the pkg-fso repository. It is feasible that the e17 packages came from pkg-fso? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] koolu first beta release
Andreas Wallin wrote: I tried it, Still the keyboard does not work in all text dialogs, wifi doesn't work, I cant lock screen, and suspend still doesn't work, GSM seems to work. I reflashed my openmoko with qt after 1 days use, When suspend,lock screen and soft keyboard works i will give android a new try, greetings ! Which kernel did you try? with the tracking kernel (from Sean's directory or elsewhere) I could get suspend and resume working to some extent with Sean's image. Haven't tried koolu's one though, gave up on FR again about the 6th of december when android decided that registering on GSM was just not going to happen any more. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--koolu-first-beta-release-tp1678407p1690239.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?
I'm sure someone has mentioned this application before but just in case, have you ever heard of using the accelerometer to check the batter status? The application that I heard about was: when the application is running, you shake the FR just like you shake an opaque water bottle to determine if its full or not, the application will cause the phone to gurgle with the appropriate pitch in sound that you would get if the FR's battery was full, half emtpy or empty. This would be way kewl!! Cheers!! 2008/12/20 François TOURDE fr...@tourde.org: Le 14230ième jour après Epoch, Lothar Behrens écrivait: Am 17.12.2008 um 13:16 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes: Is there a way to do this ? while true; do if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then alert fi sleep 120 done this is a starting point :-) I've a small script that works as a daemon, checking interval depends on the charge (described on a file), play sounds (except when charging) depending on the current charge. There is no doc, no install proc, it's not packaged, but it can be done easily... The config file (default values in the script) contains: # Les différents niveaux THRESHOLDS=100:20:1200: 20:10:600:low 10:5:150:critical 5:0:30:emergency Each group of check parms is max:min:delay:sound If level is between (_max_,_min_), the aplay _sound_.wav and wait _delay_ for next check. Hope it helps. -- PR: Le serveur (de news) de PacWan est en panne depuis le mois de juillet ! AT: A mon avis ils vont finir par s'en apercevoir, mais il risque de manquer des articles. -+- in: Guide du Cabaliste Usenet - La Cabale se propage (mal) -+- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- John Dowd jd...@slashdevslashnull.org 133 Waverley St. Ottawa Ont. K2P 0V3 Home: (613)234-7884 Cell: (613)316-7884 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] how to restore default illume theme
How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a new one and it doesn't work! thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] how to restore defauld illume theme
How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a new one and it doesn't work! thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[big C rework] Anyone in Chile doing this?
Hello list, I wonder if anyone in Chile with a freerunner is interested in doing the rework proposed by joerg. I´m cuerrently checking prices and they are making a big discount if they repair 10 or more units. If anyone is interested just email me. Tom PS. I´m going to post this to the spanish mailing list too in case people don´t read the english one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Jim Morris wrote: Ok, so how/when will OM offer a fix for end users? This fix is way beyond my skills to do. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com Please OM Team, consider this action I can't wait to make my FR my real daily phone. I am in Montreal/Canada Thx ... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-ReportBuzz-fix-tp1678823p1690406.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme
2008/12/22 Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com: How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a new one and it doesn't work! thanks Wrench - Look - Theme - select illume-shr doesn't do anything for you? Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme
I can't access to theme manager, i have to change theme manually using the terminal..how can i do this? - Original Message - From: Nathan Kinkade To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:39:59 -0500 2008/12/22 Giorgio Marciano : How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a new one and it doesn't work! thanks Wrench - Look - Theme - select illume-shr doesn't do anything for you? Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:23:42 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:07:45 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us babbled: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:52:09 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled: Dylan Reilly schrieb: FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. WOOHOO!!! you made my day dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff has been done to the theme: Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine. Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment). Billk I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time lately, with SHR. And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5% and bring it back through a single change: I've been tweaking some Oxygen icons and using them under SHR - 256x256 png versions. (Why? Well, I like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated) Anyway, changing from the 256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%, restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%. icons include battery too? I'm just replacing the 'desktop' icons in the launcher, using Settings-Look-IconTheme. I had expected that it would take longer to initially display the launcher, with much larger png images to load and scale, but thought that once they were loaded and scaled it would perform essentially the same as smaller icons enlarged - literally the ONLY thing I do is select Oxygen vis SHR in Icon Theme and HUP enlightenment, and with the Oxys it sits there idling at an average about 27% CPU... j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:44:39 +0100, Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com wrote: IIRC the setting is stowed in ~/.e/e/config/illume-shr/e.cfg - if you rename that file out of the way and try killall -HUP enlightenment you should be back at square one... It's a binary file, so you can't just edit it to change the theme. j I can't access to theme manager, i have to change theme manually using the terminal..how can i do this? - Original Message - From: Nathan Kinkade To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:39:59 -0500 2008/12/22 Giorgio Marciano : How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a new one and it doesn't work! thanks Wrench - Look - Theme - select illume-shr doesn't do anything for you? Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme
On Monday 22 December 2008 16:39:59 Nathan Kinkade wrote: 2008/12/22 Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com: How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a new one and it doesn't work! thanks Wrench - Look - Theme - select illume-shr doesn't do anything for you? I've run into this also... The problem is that once the theme is changed illume doesn't start up any more... You have to reset the config manually. AFAIK you can just copy the theme you want (illume-shr.edj) to ~/.e/e/themes/illume.edj. Illume will use this on next start. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Pkg-e-devel] [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?
Hi, Am Montag, den 22.12.2008, 14:28 + schrieb Neil Jerram: 2008/12/22 Albin Tonnerre albin.tonne...@gmail.com: There are no e17 packages in unstable (not in the debian archive, I mean) except eet. Maybe you're getting your packages from a third-party repository ? We put the image loaders and savers in the same package as libevas: libevas0, so you're likely not missing anything. Still, I'm curious about where those packages are from. Could you provide the result of `apt-cache policy libevas0` ? That would help Regards, Albin Many thanks for your response. Unfortunately I can't try that command now, because I've overwritten my SD card with hackable:1. From memory, though, I'm 99% sure that my sources.list only contained Debian and the pkg-fso repository. It is feasible that the e17 packages came from pkg-fso? our installer, by default, activates the experimental distribution, so that’s probably where it came from. Note that the e17 in Debian experimental is from before the Illume features were added. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On Wednesday 17 December 2008 02:36, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:31:01 -0800 Sargun Dhillon xbmodder +openm...@gmail.com babbled: you might want to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect this killed an entire company - it ceased to exist. again. regardless of what you want - it makes no business sense to go parading around the next gen device before its ready to ship if you have an existing one. so you'll have to probably just sit and wait. :) Totally true, except for the fact that it didn't happen... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/20/no_osborne_effect_at_osborne/ Linked on that wikipedia page... Regardless, there may well be a Reverse Osborne Effect as well, I bought a Freerunner, but right now I probably wouldn't buy one again, but wait for the GTA03. If there was a definitive statement telling me that would take at least an other year to get done I might just buy a GTA02. And ofcourse there is the 'spend-money-only-once' syndrom, does it really matter if I buy a GTA02, or a GTA03 if I will never buy both anyway? People with plenty of money to spend on gadgets probably won't wait, people wo will wait probably won't by both anyway. But than again, I know nothing about marketing... AVee -- With/Without - and who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about? -- Pink Floyd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] LXDE?
Il 22/12/2008 15:06, arne anka ha scritto: someone recently suggested using LXDE instead of XFCE -- are there any experiences in regard to responsibility, memory requirements and functionality compared to XFCE? is it really more lightweight and faster? and does openmoko-panel-plugin work (ie is there a standard systray)? Hello, yes I was. I used on FR and according me run faster than XFCE (and use less memory). Yes, if I remember well it has systray support, and it contain panel and plugins like XFCE. You can find it on Debian repository (apt-get install lxde). All configurations can be done via gui. Please, if you try it, please report your impressions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[All] tangogps - python scripts for .kml from/to sqlite
Hi all, just wanted to share some scripts I used. The first one is for converting a list of points out of a kml file to a poi sqlite3 database which tangogps can read, and the other one is for doing the reverse operation : getting the pois of the tango gps db and creating a kml file. It might need some tweaking, as some things are hard coded. Note that I also extracted the points of the kml file with my favorite excel like program into a plain file listing all points. Hoping that it will save someone's time, Thomas #!/usr/bin/python # -*- coding: UTF-8 -*- import os.path import sqlite3 import time file = '/home/root/myfile.txt' database = sqlite3.connect('/home/root/.tangogps/poi.db', isolation_level=None) FILE = open(file,'r') for line in FILE: coords = line.split(',') print Coordonnees : lat = %s, lon = %s % (coords[0], coords[1]) current_time = time.time() db_call = INSERT INTO poi (idmd5, lat, lon, visibility, cat, subcat, keywords, desc, price_range, extended_open) VALUES (?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?) print database.execute(db_call, ('%s' % current_time, coords[1], coords[0], 1, 1, 0, '', '', 3, 0)).rowcount 0 FILE.close() database.close() #!/usr/bin/python # -*- coding: UTF-8 -*- import os.path import sqlite3 import time my_category = 0 database = sqlite3.connect('/home/root/.tangogps/poi.db') pois = database.execute(SELECT * FROM POI WHERE cat=?, (my_category,) ).fetchall() database.close() file = '/home/root/myfile.kml' FILE = open(file,'w') FILE.truncate(0) FILE.write('?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1?\n') FILE.write('kml xmlns=http://earth.google.com/kml/2.0;\n') FILE.write('Document\n') FILE.write('Folder\n') FILE.write('namePoint Features/name\n') FILE.write('descriptionPoint Features/description\n') i = 1 for poi in pois: print '%s : %f, %f' % (poi, poi[2],poi[1],) FILE.write('Placemark\n') FILE.write('name![CDATA[%i]]/name\n' % i) FILE.write('description![CDATA[Lat: %f br Lon: %fbr]]/description\n' % (poi[1],poi[2]) ) FILE.write('Point\n') FILE.write('coordinates%f,%f,0/coordinates\n' % (poi[2],poi[1],)) FILE.write('/Point\n') FILE.write('/Placemark\n') i = i + 1 FILE.write('/Folder\n') FILE.write('/Document\n') FILE.write('/kml\n') FILE.close() # db_call = INSERT INTO poi (idmd5, lat, lon, visibility, cat, subcat, keywords, desc, price_range, extended_open) VALUES (?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?
Ed Kapitein (via Nabble) a écrit : Hi Swap38, There is no item in the settings panel, but working with iwconfig and wpa_supplicant works fine. Please take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi and use the manual method of setting up your network. That's why I can't find it :-) Thanks a lot for your answer. swap38 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-Om-2008.12--No-ssh---no-wifi---tp1682347p1691524.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qwerty keyboard
is there now any resolution i have the 2008.12 image and enlightenment crashes always. and after that the asu keyboard is there ...shit! Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 18:51 +0200 schrieb Yogiz: One stupid question: is this the first image that is linked? (not by alphabetical order, by line-number) Doesn't seem to be so. remote-diagnostics without additional info is quite thing would you dare to email a compressed (zip/tgz/ar/whatever) version of your working directory? ...maybe directly to the ml... shouldn't be such a big file since the asu theme doesn't use many pics I've sent it to you privately. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: daily testing images info and some text if you want to read
Le dimanche 14 décembre 2008 à 21:32 +, Samuel Pereira a écrit : Hello, I have calculator, calendar, text editor, file browser, web Browser, terminal, and a basic piano also :) which calendar are you using ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qwerty keyboard
Yeah the default keyboard is not the Illume one, hope this will be changed soon. And also the Terminal keybaord may be default with Illume keyboard too. I did: #Add/modify export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart If I only do the first line, I have no keyboard at all. So for now I have the Illume keyboard with Illume and also get a bit annoyed by all the crashes. What is the way to have the Illume keyboard but not Illume, like in the latest FDOM? Peter Stumm wrote: is there now any resolution i have the 2008.12 image and enlightenment crashes always. and after that the asu keyboard is there ...shit! Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 18:51 +0200 schrieb Yogiz: One stupid question: is this the first image that is linked? (not by alphabetical order, by line-number) Doesn't seem to be so. remote-diagnostics without additional info is quite thing would you dare to email a compressed (zip/tgz/ar/whatever) version of your working directory? ...maybe directly to the ml... shouldn't be such a big file since the asu theme doesn't use many pics I've sent it to you privately. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.12 and USB network Ubuntu Intrepid
What complete set of configuration changes and shell scripts are you using? Please update the Wiki if it is out of date because once I got it running and now (because I'm not a networking/iptables crack) it is not anymore. Thanks. Simon Kagstrom wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:51:35 -0800 (PST) Bernt be...@trash-mail.com wrote: On FR I've installed 2008.12 and on my laptop Ubuntu Interpid with wicd. I have to use `sudo ifdown usb0` and `sudo ifup usb0` every time I reboot or unplugged the usb cable from my freerunner. It's not so nice, but you can give it a try until there is a solution again for automatic reconnect. Probably there is some proper fix to get this running cleanly, but I resorted to a simple script that simply configures the interface when I plug in the freerunner. It's found below and I just start it manually once after logging in. // Simon #!/bin/sh echo Starting ifcfg daemon while [ 1 ]; do tail -F /var/log/kern.log | grep -lq usb0: register 'cdc_ether' if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then echo Setting up usb0 /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 else sleep 1 fi done ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008.12] show/hide wifi icon
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:47:35 +0100 Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com babbled: How can i show/hide the icon in the bottom bar on OM2008.12 or SHR? i want to control this feature from my python application, is it possible? How does it work? when i connect to an AP the icon magically appear but if i disconnect (killall wpa_supplicant and killall udhcpc) it remains showed in the bar. thats a bug in the wifi driver - it reports bogus signal strength via netlink and even if u kill the wifi device (disconnect) it keeps reporting signal strength that is high (well totally insane 100%) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:54:42 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us babbled: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:23:42 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:07:45 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us babbled: On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:52:09 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled: Dylan Reilly schrieb: FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on my OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12 image) Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module, (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being used. Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows. On a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So, now I get a snappier UI to boot. WOOHOO!!! you made my day dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff has been done to the theme: Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine. Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment). Billk I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time lately, with SHR. And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5% and bring it back through a single change: I've been tweaking some Oxygen icons and using them under SHR - 256x256 png versions. (Why? Well, I like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated) Anyway, changing from the 256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%, restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%. icons include battery too? I'm just replacing the 'desktop' icons in the launcher, using Settings-Look-IconTheme. I had expected that it would take longer to initially display the launcher, with much larger png images to load and scale, but thought that once they were loaded and scaled it would perform essentially the same as smaller icons enlarged - literally the ONLY thing I do is select Oxygen vis SHR in Icon Theme and HUP enlightenment, and with the Oxys it sits there idling at an average about 27% CPU... that's bizarre as that would imply its redrawing the icons too (evas scales on the fly - as images are not loaded and then fixed at a size - they can resize anytime anywhere just based on object properties so the scale is done as it draws. for things like GL or when things are accelerated - this is fast and what you want. in software it's a cost. i have an experimental scale cache patch here that puts in a cache of alreadys-caled data if used often enough... but the problem is.. it shouldnt make a difference unless its updating the area where the icons are... and that shouldnt be happening... unless something totally bizarre has gone on... and thats what i'm concerned about - the bit i dont know about (the redraws)). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] LXDE?
Hello, I also want to try LXDE but I don't no how to start it up. Can you help me please? (I have been reading the wiki, but I don' t get it :-( ) Thanks Jos. Op maandag 22-12-2008 om 19:04 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Michele Renda: Il 22/12/2008 15:06, arne anka ha scritto: someone recently suggested using LXDE instead of XFCE -- are there any experiences in regard to responsibility, memory requirements and functionality compared to XFCE? is it really more lightweight and faster? and does openmoko-panel-plugin work (ie is there a standard systray)? Hello, yes I was. I used on FR and according me run faster than XFCE (and use less memory). Yes, if I remember well it has systray support, and it contain panel and plugins like XFCE. You can find it on Debian repository (apt-get install lxde). All configurations can be done via gui. Please, if you try it, please report your impressions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qwerty keyboard
Crashes are a VERY well known problem with LOTS of emails on the list. switch to the software engine, or remove the dropshadow module. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 22:50 +0100, Pander wrote: Yeah the default keyboard is not the Illume one, hope this will be changed soon. And also the Terminal keybaord may be default with Illume keyboard too. I did: #Add/modify export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart If I only do the first line, I have no keyboard at all. So for now I have the Illume keyboard with Illume and also get a bit annoyed by all the crashes. What is the way to have the Illume keyboard but not Illume, like in the latest FDOM? Peter Stumm wrote: is there now any resolution i have the 2008.12 image and enlightenment crashes always. and after that the asu keyboard is there ...shit! Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 18:51 +0200 schrieb Yogiz: One stupid question: is this the first image that is linked? (not by alphabetical order, by line-number) Doesn't seem to be so. remote-diagnostics without additional info is quite thing would you dare to email a compressed (zip/tgz/ar/whatever) version of your working directory? ...maybe directly to the ml... shouldn't be such a big file since the asu theme doesn't use many pics I've sent it to you privately. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
On 12/23/08 AVee wrote: Regardless, there may well be a Reverse Osborne Effect as well, I bought a Freerunner, but right now I probably wouldn't buy one again, but wait for the GTA03. If there was a definitive statement telling me that would take at least an other year to get done I might just buy a GTA02. GTA03 is at least 3 years away. Do you want to buy three GTA02s now? ;-) -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
mokomakefile
Trying to build testing (2008.x) with mokomakefile but it crashes out with an error making me think its not. Just to confirm that I am building what I think I am: OE Build Configuration: BB_VERSION= 1.8.11 METADATA_BRANCH = org.openmoko.dev METADATA_REVISION = bad4ab8693c8309c48f282688344b1f266368e84 TARGET_ARCH = arm TARGET_OS = linux-gnueabi MACHINE = om-gta02 DISTRO= openmoko DISTRO_VERSION= -20081223 TARGET_FPU= soft In mokomakefile: # OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.stable # OM_IMAGE_NAME := openmoko-asu-image OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev OM_IMAGE_NAME := openmoko-base-image should give me 2008.testing ??? and the two commented lines 2008.12 ??? right? BillK -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] LXDE?
Il 23/12/2008 00:30, jos ha scritto: I also want to try LXDE but I don't no how to start it up. Can you help me please? It is simple. First of all you must to have Debian installed. Than you have to install lxde with the command: apt-get install lxde This command will install a metapackage that will install all the package needed to get lxde running. Now you should be able to get it running with the command: startlxde4 To get it running automatically you can edit your .xsession: #!/bin/sh startlxde4 (Ps. I am not very sure about the last step. If someone know better how to launch lxde please correct me). Ps.2. I saw that lxde can be configure to appeare like XFCE. Nice.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community