Re: Selected questions to Sean

2008-12-22 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz

Dear Minh

Please give me about a week to reply to these questions. I'm going to be 
traveling a lot starting tonight so things will be very hectic for a while.

I appreciate all your work to collect / organize such great topics.

   -Sean



Minh Ha Duong wrote:
 Dear Sean,
 
   I received a great number of responses, most containing 3-10 questions. So 
 I 
 cheated a bit, and in this selection of 10 points most are actually multiple 
 questions.
 
 Q1. The end of the year is a time to look back on the year achievements.
 So where does Openmoko stands now from a business point of view ?
 Could you comment on sustainability, on sales numbers, on geographic markets
 and customer categories ?
 
 Q2. The god of January has two faces, one looking back and one looking 
 forward, so...
 Juergen, Eric in Japan and practically everybody else
 want to know when will the GTA03 phone be released,
 if it will have 3G/3.5G, a camera and the kitchen sink.
 Can you tell us anything yet ? Where do you want Openmoko to be in December 
 2009 ?
 
 Q3. The mandatory dogfood question was submitted by Yorik Moko:
 Do you use the FreeRunner as your daily phone, which distro
 and what is your favorite application ?
 
 Q4. Todd would like to know exactly what are your feelings about Android
 and its impact on the OpenMoko OS.
 
 Q5. Kosa and Marco wondered if you could say us something about the 
 management 
 that doesn't seem
 to be loved by great hackers like Harald and Carsten. For example, what is 
 your analysis of
 the controversies that led Om2008 to ship with Qtopia's predictive keyboard.
 
 Q6. There are many Openmoko communities in languages other than English now.
 Swap38 asks how can they best contribute back to the project,
 and if there are plans to organize the diversity around a common model,
 as OpenOffice.org did for example. What is the status of the 
 internationalization
 and localization effort ?
 
 Q7. Let's be reflexive, kind of we have to talk about our relationship, 
 dear.
 Tilman, supported by Michelle, wonders to which extend the community has met 
 your expectations.
 More precisely, could you name an area where it did not, perhaps
 like an application that you would have expected be written already ?
 
 Q8. On the other hand, Tim and others would like to know 
 the most interesting or fun thing you have seen the Freerunner used for ?
 
 Q9. And where do you think could any person do the most for the project right 
 now? Think of if that person would be ideal and have all the skills needed.
 And then, which skills are in most need right now and in the future?
 
 Q10. To conclude, can we have a video of you in Openmoko T-shirt and geek-cap,
 having a phone chat with star hackers, using Neo FreeRunners at both ends,
 telling each other your favourite Freerunner joke ? Please ?
 
 Thanks everybody for taking the time to ask these questions,
 and thanks if advance for your replies,
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Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance

2008-12-22 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:52:09 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au
wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster
 bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled:
 
  Dylan Reilly schrieb:
   FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on
 my
   OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent
   updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12
 image)
   Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much
   IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module,
   (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being
   used.
  
   Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the
   Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows.
 On
   a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So,
   now I get a snappier UI to boot.
  
 
  WOOHOO!!! you made my day
 
 dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff
 has been
 done to the theme:
 
 
 Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing
 drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine.
 Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a
 gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment).
 
 Billk

I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time
lately, with SHR.  And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5% and
bring it back through a single change:  I've been tweaking some Oxygen
icons and using them under SHR -  256x256 png versions.  (Why?  Well, I
like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated)  Anyway, changing from the
256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%,
restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%.

j


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RE: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread KaZeR
 


  _  

De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Ilja O.
Envoyé : samedi 20 décembre 2008 16:53
À : List for Openmoko community discussion
Objet : om-manager 0.1.0 released


Hello.

I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0 version of
om-manager.

Om-manager is host computer-based Freerunner controlling utility. Currently
it's able to flash Freeruner smartphone (dfu-util required), get logs,
backup filesystem parts (to archive file on host computer) also it
implements simple opkg package manager and remote control via VNC (x11vnc
package on phone is required). All functionality (except Flashing) is
implemented trough SSH connection and does not require any extra programs
installed on phone itself (except ones that are needed to perform specefied
tasks, e.g. vnc server or opkg utility). Whole application is pure Python.


Project home: http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/

Please, if somebody is willing to check it -- do it. I would be really happy
to see any feedback from any other people -- about usability, functionality
or coding style.

It took me quite a while to do it, but have a mercy -- I'm doing it alone.

I've personally used it on Windows, Linux and OSX. So I guess they can be
defined as officially supported operating systems.

Thank you.
  

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RE: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread KaZeR
Woopsie. Looks like i sent a blank mail, apologies.
 
I tried it under windows : i had to create the app\log directory, or it
would fail. ( IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'D:\\OM\\om-manager_00.01.00.tar\\dist\\om-manager\\app\\log\\program.log' )
 
Now, it fails probably because of a path setting : ImportError: No module
named wx
 
I have installed wxwidgets-2.8.9, from the MSI file. What did i miss? Looks
like i need to export  a path, but which?
 
Thanks in advance, this apps looks interesting!
 

  _  

De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Ilja O.
Envoyé : samedi 20 décembre 2008 16:53
À : List for Openmoko community discussion
Objet : om-manager 0.1.0 released


Hello.

I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0 version of
om-manager.

Om-manager is host computer-based Freerunner controlling utility. Currently
it's able to flash Freeruner smartphone (dfu-util required), get logs,
backup filesystem parts (to archive file on host computer) also it
implements simple opkg package manager and remote control via VNC (x11vnc
package on phone is required). All functionality (except Flashing) is
implemented trough SSH connection and does not require any extra programs
installed on phone itself (except ones that are needed to perform specefied
tasks, e.g. vnc server or opkg utility). Whole application is pure Python.


Project home: http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/

Please, if somebody is willing to check it -- do it. I would be really happy
to see any feedback from any other people -- about usability, functionality
or coding style.

It took me quite a while to do it, but have a mercy -- I'm doing it alone.

I've personally used it on Windows, Linux and OSX. So I guess they can be
defined as officially supported operating systems.

Thank you.


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Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance

2008-12-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:07:45 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us babbled:

 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:52:09 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au
 wrote:
  On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster
  bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled:
  
   Dylan Reilly schrieb:
FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment on
  my
OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent
updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12
  image)
Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how much
IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module,
(/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is being
used.
   
Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking the
Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop shadows.
  On
a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems. So,
now I get a snappier UI to boot.
   
  
   WOOHOO!!! you made my day
  
  dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff
  has been
  done to the theme:
  
  
  Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing
  drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine.
  Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a
  gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment).
  
  Billk
 
 I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time
 lately, with SHR.  And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5% and
 bring it back through a single change:  I've been tweaking some Oxygen
 icons and using them under SHR -  256x256 png versions.  (Why?  Well, I
 like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated)  Anyway, changing from the
 256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%,
 restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%.

icons include battery too?

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Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?

2008-12-22 Thread swap38


swap38 wrote:
 
 Ed Kapitein a écrit :
 I ran into a similar problem.
 The solution that worked for me was:

  dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin
  dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
  dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
 
 I will retry to flash all manually.
 

OK, ssh works fine now.
But there's no wifi settings :(
please, help !

/swap38
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Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?

2008-12-22 Thread William Kenworthy
wifi settings? - what do you mean.

BillK

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 01:47 -0800, swap38 wrote:
 
 swap38 wrote:
  
  Ed Kapitein a écrit :
  I ran into a similar problem.
  The solution that worked for me was:
 
   dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin
   dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
   dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
  
  I will retry to flash all manually.
  
 
 OK, ssh works fine now.
 But there's no wifi settings :(
 please, help !
 
 /swap38
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Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?

2008-12-22 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Swap38,

There is no item in the settings panel, but working with iwconfig and
wpa_supplicant works fine.
Please take a look at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi
and use the manual method of setting up your network.

I find it usefull to start in a well known state, so i issue:

ifconfig eth0 down
iwconfig eth0 txpower off
iwconfig eth0 channel 0
iwconfig eth0 essid off

before i make new settings for the wireless connection.
Good luck!

Kind regards,
Ed

On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 01:47 -0800, swap38 wrote:
 
 swap38 wrote:
  
  Ed Kapitein a écrit :
  I ran into a similar problem.
  The solution that worked for me was:
 
   dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin
   dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Om2008.12-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
   dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin
  
  I will retry to flash all manually.
  
 
 OK, ssh works fine now.
 But there's no wifi settings :(
 please, help !
 
 /swap38


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Re: Selected questions to Sean

2008-12-22 Thread Steve Mosher
  Will need some time on this.

Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
 Dear Minh
 
 Please give me about a week to reply to these questions. I'm going to be 
 traveling a lot starting tonight so things will be very hectic for a while.
 
 I appreciate all your work to collect / organize such great topics.
 
-Sean
 
 
 
 Minh Ha Duong wrote:
 Dear Sean,

   I received a great number of responses, most containing 3-10 questions. So 
 I 
 cheated a bit, and in this selection of 10 points most are actually multiple 
 questions.

 Q1. The end of the year is a time to look back on the year achievements.
 So where does Openmoko stands now from a business point of view ?
 Could you comment on sustainability, on sales numbers, on geographic markets
 and customer categories ?

 Q2. The god of January has two faces, one looking back and one looking 
 forward, so...
 Juergen, Eric in Japan and practically everybody else
 want to know when will the GTA03 phone be released,
 if it will have 3G/3.5G, a camera and the kitchen sink.
 Can you tell us anything yet ? Where do you want Openmoko to be in December 
 2009 ?

 Q3. The mandatory dogfood question was submitted by Yorik Moko:
 Do you use the FreeRunner as your daily phone, which distro
 and what is your favorite application ?

 Q4. Todd would like to know exactly what are your feelings about Android
 and its impact on the OpenMoko OS.

 Q5. Kosa and Marco wondered if you could say us something about the 
 management 
 that doesn't seem
 to be loved by great hackers like Harald and Carsten. For example, what is 
 your analysis of
 the controversies that led Om2008 to ship with Qtopia's predictive keyboard.

 Q6. There are many Openmoko communities in languages other than English now.
 Swap38 asks how can they best contribute back to the project,
 and if there are plans to organize the diversity around a common model,
 as OpenOffice.org did for example. What is the status of the 
 internationalization
 and localization effort ?

 Q7. Let's be reflexive, kind of we have to talk about our relationship, 
 dear.
 Tilman, supported by Michelle, wonders to which extend the community has met 
 your expectations.
 More precisely, could you name an area where it did not, perhaps
 like an application that you would have expected be written already ?

 Q8. On the other hand, Tim and others would like to know 
 the most interesting or fun thing you have seen the Freerunner used for ?

 Q9. And where do you think could any person do the most for the project 
 right 
 now? Think of if that person would be ideal and have all the skills needed.
 And then, which skills are in most need right now and in the future?

 Q10. To conclude, can we have a video of you in Openmoko T-shirt and 
 geek-cap,
 having a phone chat with star hackers, using Neo FreeRunners at both ends,
 telling each other your favourite Freerunner joke ? Please ?

 Thanks everybody for taking the time to ask these questions,
 and thanks if advance for your replies,
 Minh
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Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance

2008-12-22 Thread DJDAS
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ha scritto:
 Billk
   
 I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time
 lately, with SHR.  And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5% and
 bring it back through a single change:  I've been tweaking some Oxygen
 icons and using them under SHR -  256x256 png versions.  (Why?  Well, I
 like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated)  Anyway, changing from the
 256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%,
 restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%.
 

 icons include battery too?
   

Hi! Same problem here with a fresh installed (onto SD card) SHR 
(snapshot of 16 December w/ kernel of 14 December).
Enlightenment takes 40-60% CPU but I was not able to find a solutions, 
will try this icon trick and let you know.
Bye!


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Re: Selected questions to Sean

2008-12-22 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008, Steve Mosher a écrit :
   Will need some time on this.

 Sure. I was actually planning to publish the interview for year's end.

Minh
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Re: 2008.12 and USB network Ubuntu Intrepid

2008-12-22 Thread Simon Kagstrom
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:51:35 -0800 (PST)
Bernt be...@trash-mail.com wrote:

  On FR I've installed 2008.12 and on my laptop Ubuntu Interpid with
  wicd.
  
 
 I have to use `sudo ifdown usb0` and `sudo ifup usb0` 
 every time I reboot or unplugged the usb cable from my freerunner.
 It's not so nice, but you can give it a try until there is a solution 
 again for automatic reconnect.

Probably there is some proper fix to get this running cleanly, but I
resorted to a simple script that simply configures the interface when I
plug in the freerunner. It's found below and I just start it manually
once after logging in.

// Simon


#!/bin/sh

echo Starting ifcfg daemon
while [ 1 ]; do
  tail -F /var/log/kern.log | grep -lq usb0: register 'cdc_ether'
  if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
  echo Setting up usb0
  /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200
  else
  sleep 1
  fi
done

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Re: New 2008.12 Release

2008-12-22 Thread arne anka
 What is gta02v5-lowlevel.bin made for?

only for you to ask -- and me to answer: check the archives, it has been  
answered often enough.

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Battery arrived On Time and on Perfect Condition (Was: Bad Customer support from Truebox.com about a Broken Battery)

2008-12-22 Thread ankostis
Hi,

i'm glad to report that the whole matter resolved well.

Hours after i had post my complaints on Dec 10 i received an email
from Truebox explaining me that they have the good-will to send me a
battery, and later they provided me with the tracking-id of the new
package.

And exactly on week later, Wednesday on Dec 17th i got hold of the new battery.
I installed it on my FR, and there it was...
the power-button turned to 'orange' and after some hours turned to
blue - i had read about these colors in the ML but i never had the
chance to see them my self, so far!

No more excuses for letting FR get dusty.


I want to thank Elsie Lee and Steve Mosher for they were kind enough
to offer me a replacement battery, with no exchange!
I declined their offer deciding to rely on Truebox, and as i have
said, Truebox proved a trustworthy commercial-partner to the openmoko
community.

I also want to thank the members of the community who posted to this
thread their frank support to my problem.
I believe that their views encouraged the positive resolution of this matter.


Sincere Regards to everybody involved
  Kostis




On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM, ankostis ankos...@gmail.com wrote:
 (At least now i got a reply!)

 Your reply raises 3 immediate issues:

 1) If you were indeed willing to do business with me *before*, why
 then did you ignore my last 2+1 mails (see next issue), on Oct 31, Dec
 the 1st and Dec the 5th?

 2) Since you claimed to have sent me already 1 battery and got lost,
 and after i had personally instructed you to choose a service with
 tracking capabilities from
 my country's postal-service, why did you choose to ignore that mail? [3]

 3) How can you be so sure about whom to blame for the missed delivery
 of the battery?
 Why should it be a problem with my postal-service and not yours?
 How does that attitude imply your willing to do business with me?



 Ok, the money issue is not so important, but the failed-to-deliver
 support, it is,
 therefore i choose to go public with it.

 It is my attitude not to bargain or blackmail anyone to provide me
 with decent customer-support,
 therefore i choose *not* to warn you before sending this complaint
 mail, but provide you with enough pings' to reply.

 I need to insist that it was *after* you repeatedly ignored my mails
 that i went public with this issue.
 I have been struggling with your services from September, and now it
 has been 3 months since then.


 Although that you state publicly that you choose not to do any more
 business with me,
 i hope that this mail will encourage you to stand-up to your promises
 to other OpenMoko adopters for the good of the community.


 Kostis Anagnostopoulos



 [3] My mail asking you to choose a service with tracking capabilities:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: ankostis ankos...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Problem with new battery]
 To: Rob Wood r...@truebox.co.uk


 Hi Rob,

 i'm very sorry to hear that my problem has cost TrueBox 2 batteries,
 but i assure you that if i finally end-up with 2 batteries,  i will
 send the spare one back to you,
 just as an appreciation of your attitude so far, Rob.

 Yet, at the moment, i have no battery at all!

 My Home address is:
  ...
  Greece

 My Job Address is:
  ...
  Greece

 You have succesfully sent me my FR at the second-one (job).
 If you choose that one, i would prefer that the packaging is small
 so as to avoid any complains on behalf of our support-staff.

 I don't mind waiting for 1-2 weeks or even more, but i would recommend
 that your postage-service does indeed provide for package-tracking,
 in order to avoid any problems this time.
 (I know, for instance, that the Greek Post-Office provides tracking
 even for the cheapest of packagings)

 Thank you in Advance,
  Kostis Anagnostopoulos

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Customer Services
 customerservi...@truebox.co.uk wrote:
 Kostis

 It is a real shame that you consider bad mouthing us in public is good
 practice. We have sent you 2 batteries that have not arrived entirely at our
 cost, you claim you have not received them but we have no way to verify that
 is the case. We cannot send batteries with tracking numbers as that
 increases the cost 3 fold, we have done everything we can to rectify your
 problem, we cannot be held responsible for courier/postal services in your
 country. We get complains from customers who ask why we send packages that
 must be signed for! Whatever we do as a company we cannot make everyone
 happy, people have different opinions of what should be done. What I will
 say is that we have many happy customers and your bad mouthing of us in
 public when we have tried to resolve your problem is not acceptable and you
 can take it from us now that we will no longer do business with you  as an
 individual because of that.

 ankostis wrote:

 Hi,

 as a last resort i'm reporting publicly my problems regarding a
 

Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread Ilja O.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:

  Woopsie. Looks like i sent a blank mail, apologies.

 I tried it under windows : i had to create the app\log directory, or it
 would fail. ( IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
 'D:\\OM\\om-manager_00.01.00.tar\\dist\\om-manager\\app\\log\\program.log'
 )

 Now, it fails probably because of a path setting : ImportError: No module
 named wx

 I have installed wxwidgets-2.8.9, from the MSI file. What did i miss? Looks
 like i need to export  a path, but which?

 Thanks in advance, this apps looks interesting!



First of all, there is wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/) and wxPython (
http://wxpython.org/) wxPython is basically Python bindings to wxwdgets
(since wxWidgets is the C++ Library, it can't be used directly by Python).
So, if you have installed wxWidgets (that is C++ library), you should insall
wxPython and should feel free to remove wxWidgets (if You don't use it for
something else, of course).

If You have installed wxPython and have several Python versions installed,
you could check that you're installed wxPython for same Python interpriter
that you have in `PATH` (that python that is executed by 'python' command in
shell).

For my Windows installations I've always used wxPython from installer andit
worked fine.

And thank You for report. Haven't checked this one. Fill fix soon (0.1.1
will contain some fixes inspired by this mailing list plus py2exe wrap of
program itself).
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread Justyn Butler
This is all very interesting (and sad, of course).

2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
 less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules so
 you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of
 $100-$300 per module (depending who you go to and the volume you buy). this is
 where someone developed the module (did what nokia/apple etc. do) and now
 re-sell their work. 1-offs i have seen for sale for $250 or so for a 3g 
 module.
 buy in bulk and you get a discount of course (thus the $100-$300 range). and 
 the
 fewer suppliers in between the better.

The Telit UC864-G mentioned on the MokoForesight page is a global 3.5G
module with built-in GPS. I don't know of it's actual suitability for
OM.
http://www.telit.com/en/products/umts-hsdpa.php?p_id=14p_ac=showp=14

This company, Round Solutions, sells it:
http://www.roundsolutions.com/uc864.htm

And they have a price list:
http://www.roundsolutions.com/pdf/Price-Modules-GSM.pdf

Which lists it at €145 for 100-500 quantity. That is around US $200.

Clearly very expensive. But the quantity we are talking about Openmoko
buying is at least an order of magnitude larger, so I wonder how much
below $200 the module could be bought. And it does integrate the GPS
chip (a small saving there though).

Anyway, I thought some people might be interested in a solid example
with pricing. It is costly, that is for sure.

I'd still be interested to see how much the UC864-G costs when buying
in bulk of 10K. Can anyone else find figures for this?

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread Sargun Dhillon
Does OM even sell that many units? I thought it was more in the 3-5k
range as of now. The Telit module would be nice, but is quite
expensive. I've also looked at Sierra, but all their modules are
MiniPCI based. One of the neat things about going with a Telit module,
would be OM could ship with the 'low-end' modem (GSM/GPRS/EDGE,
maybe?), and it would be user-upgradeable to a 3/3G/CDMA module.
Additionally, if Telit puts out new modules in the future, we could
just purchase those and stick them in our phones. It'd be nice if
OpenMoko resold them at a discounted price of course :-).


I understand the antenna problem, and RF issues. We would have to
figure out a way to make that work.

For now: I am very happy with the choice of the mc75i.


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:50 AM, Justyn Butler
justynbutler+openm...@googlemail.com wrote:
 This is all very interesting (and sad, of course).

 2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
 less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules 
 so
 you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of
 $100-$300 per module (depending who you go to and the volume you buy). this 
 is
 where someone developed the module (did what nokia/apple etc. do) and now
 re-sell their work. 1-offs i have seen for sale for $250 or so for a 3g 
 module.
 buy in bulk and you get a discount of course (thus the $100-$300 range). and 
 the
 fewer suppliers in between the better.

 The Telit UC864-G mentioned on the MokoForesight page is a global 3.5G
 module with built-in GPS. I don't know of it's actual suitability for
 OM.
 http://www.telit.com/en/products/umts-hsdpa.php?p_id=14p_ac=showp=14

 This company, Round Solutions, sells it:
 http://www.roundsolutions.com/uc864.htm

 And they have a price list:
 http://www.roundsolutions.com/pdf/Price-Modules-GSM.pdf

 Which lists it at €145 for 100-500 quantity. That is around US $200.

 Clearly very expensive. But the quantity we are talking about Openmoko
 buying is at least an order of magnitude larger, so I wonder how much
 below $200 the module could be bought. And it does integrate the GPS
 chip (a small saving there though).

 Anyway, I thought some people might be interested in a solid example
 with pricing. It is costly, that is for sure.

 I'd still be interested to see how much the UC864-G costs when buying
 in bulk of 10K. Can anyone else find figures for this?

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Opkg front-end ZOMG! updated

2008-12-22 Thread Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster
new version is out.
still no features added, but i re-wrote most of the code.
now it is faster and doesn't care anymore if you use cacao or jamvm (i 
recommend jamvm, because it is damn fast and small)

further info can be optianed at the wiki: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ZOMG!#Update_22.2F12.2F2008

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Enlightenment

2008-12-22 Thread Peter Stumm
Hi, 
i have installed enlightenment with the easy_e17.sh script from
http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh , 
first i can't compile notification and screenshot (i skipped these)

then i want to compile a little program i have from the ewl book
#include stdio.h
#include Ewl.h
void destroy_cb(Ewl_Widget *w, void *event, void *data) {
ewl_widget_destroy(w);
ewl_main_quit();
}
int main(int argc, char ** argv) {
Ewl_Widget *win = NULL;
if (!ewl_init(argc, argv)) {
printf(Unable to init ewl\n);
return 1;
}
win = ewl_window_new();
ewl_window_title_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL Window);
ewl_window_name_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL_WINDOW);
ewl_window_class_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWLWindow);
ewl_object_size_request(EWL_OBJECT(win), 200, 100);
ewl_callback_append(win, EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW,
destroy_cb, NULL);
ewl_widget_show(win);
ewl_main();
return 0;
}
i compiled the code with
gcc main.c -I/opt/e17/include/ewl  -I/opt/e17/include/
-I/opt/e17/include/eina-0  -I/opt/e17/include/eina-0/eina
-L/opt/e17/lib/ewl 

then i get following errors
/tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `destroy_cb':
main.c:(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_destroy'
main.c:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `ewl_main_quit'
/tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `main':
main.c:(.text+0x3b): undefined reference to `ewl_init'
main.c:(.text+0x5c): undefined reference to `ewl_window_new'
main.c:(.text+0x72): undefined reference to
`ewl_window_title_set'
main.c:(.text+0x85): undefined reference to
`ewl_window_name_set'
main.c:(.text+0x98): undefined reference to
`ewl_window_class_set'
main.c:(.text+0xb3): undefined reference to
`ewl_object_size_request'
main.c:(.text+0xb8): undefined reference to
`EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW'
main.c:(.text+0xd7): undefined reference to
`ewl_callback_append'
main.c:(.text+0xe2): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_show'
main.c:(.text+0xe7): undefined reference to `ewl_main'
collect2: ld gab 1 als Ende-Status zurück

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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:50:33 + Justyn Butler justynbutler
+openm...@googlemail.com babbled:

thanks for the good numeric example. as you see - it's pretty much the ballpark
i was talking about - and yes - u'd get a discount, but you may find the $200
goes to $100 - at best if u order  1k most likeley - more likely $120 or so.
to get below that as best i know, you need to do your own module yourself - not
buy a pre-made one, and thats when you make a leap into needing 100's of
thousands of units at a minimum - if not a million to 10 million or so. only
then can you begin to really compete.

i know it sucks :( but as of right now - it's a reality of the game. not to
mention companies like nokia own a raft of 3g patents (one of the reasons its
so expensive is the patent nightmare surrounding it). now think of it this way
- imagine 80% of the cost of a 3g module is patent fees (i imagine it is) or
profit on patent fees if resold. hardware isnt that incredible - but the IP
on top of it it is the costly thing. now if you are nokia and own lets say...
30% of the patents in 3g... you may pay $20 per unit in royalites but really
- $6 of the $20 just goes right back into your pocket - so your money goes from
pocket A to pocket B - now that $30 part just went down to $24. not bad eh? :)

 This is all very interesting (and sad, of course).
 
 2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
  less than 1/3 the cost. as best i know anyone selling pre-made 3g modules
  so you dont have to set up your own production is charging in the range of
  $100-$300 per module (depending who you go to and the volume you buy). this
  is where someone developed the module (did what nokia/apple etc. do) and now
  re-sell their work. 1-offs i have seen for sale for $250 or so for a 3g
  module. buy in bulk and you get a discount of course (thus the $100-$300
  range). and the fewer suppliers in between the better.
 
 The Telit UC864-G mentioned on the MokoForesight page is a global 3.5G
 module with built-in GPS. I don't know of it's actual suitability for
 OM.
 http://www.telit.com/en/products/umts-hsdpa.php?p_id=14p_ac=showp=14
 
 This company, Round Solutions, sells it:
 http://www.roundsolutions.com/uc864.htm
 
 And they have a price list:
 http://www.roundsolutions.com/pdf/Price-Modules-GSM.pdf
 
 Which lists it at €145 for 100-500 quantity. That is around US $200.
 
 Clearly very expensive. But the quantity we are talking about Openmoko
 buying is at least an order of magnitude larger, so I wonder how much
 below $200 the module could be bought. And it does integrate the GPS
 chip (a small saving there though).
 
 Anyway, I thought some people might be interested in a solid example
 with pricing. It is costly, that is for sure.
 
 I'd still be interested to see how much the UC864-G costs when buying
 in bulk of 10K. Can anyone else find figures for this?
 
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[OM2008.12] show/hide wifi icon

2008-12-22 Thread Giorgio Marciano
How can i show/hide the icon in the bottom bar on OM2008.12 or SHR? i
want to control this feature from my python application, is it possible?

How does it work? when i connect to an AP the icon magically appear but
if i disconnect (killall wpa_supplicant and killall udhcpc) it remains
showed in the bar.

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No dropbear in om2008.12 ?

2008-12-22 Thread steve

Hi, 

Two months ago I bought the FR and installed the om2008.8 version
without too much worry. This last week-end, after reading this list, I
decided to flash the om2008.12 version. So I downloaded the kernel and
the rootfs from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/
and then flashed it, no problem.

Then I rebooted and pluged in the usb cable and tried to connect, no
success. I can ping 192.168.0.202 but not connect via ssh. I then tried to nmap
the FR and the result was all ports filtered. 

After reading the differents lists and forums, it seems that one must
reboot a second time after flashing in order to get networking running,
which i did, but still no sucess.

Then I figured I should maybe activate dropbear from within the FR but
big surprise, there is no terminal!

I finally decided to flash with the om2008.9 version, hoping that these
problems would vanish but no, still same problem.

Now I don't know what to do more.

Any ideas ?

Thanks,
Steve

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RE: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread KaZeR
   First of all, there is wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/) and
wxPython (http://wxpython.org/) wxPython is basically  Python bindings to
wxwdgets (since wxWidgets is the C++ Library, it can't be used directly by
Python). So, if you have installed wxWidgets (that is C++ library), you
should insall wxPython and should feel free to remove wxWidgets (if You
don't use it for something else, of course).

   If You have installed wxPython and have several Python versions
installed, you could check that you're installed wxPython for same Python
interpriter that you have in `PATH` (that python that is executed by
'python' command in shell).

   For my Windows installations I've always used wxPython from
installer andit worked fine.

   And thank You for report. Haven't checked this one. Fill fix soon
(0.1.1 will contain some fixes inspired by this mailing list plus py2exe
wrap of program itself).
 


Thanks for the clarification. I installed wxPython, but now it complains
about yaml. Would you happen to have a full list of what's needed to use
om-manager? About Yaml, is it this one? http://pyyaml.org/


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Re: No dropbear in om2008.12 ?

2008-12-22 Thread Giorgio Marciano
 I'm using OM2008.12 with no problems: networking and SSH works well.

I had some problems the first time to install the terminal! Why they
don't include terminal by default?!

However, connecting the neo to pc through USB cable works for me. I gave
the following command:

sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0

and then

ssh r...@192.168.0.202 and it's worked for me.

I've noticed that if you are connected to a network that has different
addresses (your IP different from 192.168.0.*) the connection could not
work. So try to disconnect from the network (sudo ifconfig ethX down),
connect the neo to USB, wait a few seconds, type again the above command
and try again with ssh.

It worked for me. Hope this can help you.

  - Original Message -
  From: steve
  To: community@lists.openmoko.org
  Subject: No dropbear in om2008.12 ?
  Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:37 +0100



  Hi,

  Two months ago I bought the FR and installed the om2008.8 version
  without too much worry. This last week-end, after reading this list,
  I
  decided to flash the om2008.12 version. So I downloaded the kernel
  and
  the rootfs from here
  http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/
  and then flashed it, no problem.

  Then I rebooted and pluged in the usb cable and tried to connect, no
  success. I can ping 192.168.0.202 but not connect via ssh. I then
  tried to nmap
  the FR and the result was all ports filtered.

  After reading the differents lists and forums, it seems that one must
  reboot a second time after flashing in order to get networking
  running,
  which i did, but still no sucess.

  Then I figured I should maybe activate dropbear from within the FR
  but
  big surprise, there is no terminal!

  I finally decided to flash with the om2008.9 version, hoping that
  these
  problems would vanish but no, still same problem.

  Now I don't know what to do more.

  Any ideas ?

  Thanks,
  Steve

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Re: No dropbear in om2008.12 ?

2008-12-22 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:37 +0100, steve dl...@bluewin.ch wrote:

 Then I rebooted and pluged in the usb cable and tried to connect, no
 success. I can ping 192.168.0.202 but not connect via ssh. I then tried  
 to nmap the FR and the result was all ports filtered.

 I finally decided to flash with the om2008.9 version, hoping that these
 problems would vanish but no, still same problem.

Are you sure your own firewall is not blocking the access? Returning to a  
version that worked for you before should have fixed it for you, unless  
the reason is external to FR.


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Re: No dropbear in om2008.12 ?

2008-12-22 Thread steve
Le 22-12-2008, à 14:05:51 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler (ale...@feldgendler.ru) a 
écrit :

 Lignes : 23
 
 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:37 +0100, steve dl...@bluewin.ch wrote:
 
  Then I rebooted and pluged in the usb cable and tried to connect, no
  success. I can ping 192.168.0.202 but not connect via ssh. I then tried  
  to nmap the FR and the result was all ports filtered.
 
  I finally decided to flash with the om2008.9 version, hoping that these
  problems would vanish but no, still same problem.
 
 Are you sure your own firewall is not blocking the access?

Yes pretty sure. Haven't changed anything since the time it work. I'm
using a udev rule and a script I found somewhere on the site to make the
network run.

Here is the output of 'iptables -L -t nat' :

Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination
MASQUERADE  all  --  192.168.20.0/24  anywhere
MASQUERADE  all  --  192.168.3.0/24   anywhere
MASQUERADE  all  --  192.168.10.0/24  anywhere
MASQUERADE  all  --  192.168.0.0/24   anywhere


Yes I have multiple networks on my box.


 Returning to a  
 version that worked for you before should have fixed it for you, unless  
 the reason is external to FR.

That was my first guess, but it didn't work. What I find strange is that the
ping works  but nmap doesn't show an open ssh port.

And what about the terminal ? How come there isn't any in om2008.12 ? Or
is there and I have missed something ?

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Re: SHR applications on Debian

2008-12-22 Thread Nathan Kinkade
2008/12/3 Sascha Wessel wes...@nefkom.net:
 Hi,


 On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 11:55:29AM +0100, Jelle De Loecker wrote:
 I switched to the enlightenment version, but now it complains about ETK
 and Elemental, but I have NO idea where I need to get these. I can't
 find any packages in the repo, on any source repository, ...

 http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/

 Next time please search...
 http://git.openembedded.net/
 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/


 Greetings,
 Sascha

Hi Jelle,

Did you ever get any further with building the SHR apps for Debian?
I'm thinking I may try to go down the same path.  I've been using SHR
for a week or two and my experience has been very good.  But I adore
Debian, so after having not used it on my Neo for a while I installed
it and also Illume.  To my eye, zhone is pretty much as good as the
dialer application of SHR, at least at the moment, but zhone is a
little intrusive on the rest of the system, and I like the idea behind
ophonekitd.  Also, the lack of auto-suspend with Debian is a real
killer.   Debian + SHR apps + Illume and I may never flash again.

Let me know ...  I'd like to help push this forward.

Thanks,

Nathan

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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread Ilja O.


 Thanks for the clarification. I installed wxPython, but now it complains
 about yaml. Would you happen to have a full list of what's needed to use
 om-manager? About Yaml, is it this one? http://pyyaml.org/

 You can find full list at the main page of project (
http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ ).
With links to download pages of given projects (see 'Links' section at right
on the main page of project).

And yes, its http://pyyaml.org/ .
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test prog from the ewl-book

2008-12-22 Thread Peter Stumm
Hi, 
i have installed enlightenment with the easy_e17.sh script from
http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh , 
first i can't compile notification and screenshot (i skipped these)

then i want to compile a little program i have from the ewl book
#include stdio.h
#include Ewl.h
void destroy_cb(Ewl_Widget *w, void *event, void *data) {
ewl_widget_destroy(w);
ewl_main_quit();
}
int main(int argc, char ** argv) {
Ewl_Widget *win = NULL;
if (!ewl_init(argc, argv)) {
printf(Unable to init ewl\n);
return 1;
}
win = ewl_window_new();
ewl_window_title_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL Window);
ewl_window_name_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWL_WINDOW);
ewl_window_class_set(EWL_WINDOW(win), EWLWindow);
ewl_object_size_request(EWL_OBJECT(win), 200, 100);
ewl_callback_append(win, EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW,
destroy_cb, NULL);
ewl_widget_show(win);
ewl_main();
return 0;
}
i compiled the code with
gcc main.c -I/opt/e17/include/ewl  -I/opt/e17/include/
-I/opt/e17/include/eina-0  -I/opt/e17/include/eina-0/eina
-L/opt/e17/lib/ewl 

then i get following errors
/tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `destroy_cb':
main.c:(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_destroy'
main.c:(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `ewl_main_quit'
/tmp/ccs04jss.o: In function `main':
main.c:(.text+0x3b): undefined reference to `ewl_init'
main.c:(.text+0x5c): undefined reference to `ewl_window_new'
main.c:(.text+0x72): undefined reference to
`ewl_window_title_set'
main.c:(.text+0x85): undefined reference to
`ewl_window_name_set'
main.c:(.text+0x98): undefined reference to
`ewl_window_class_set'
main.c:(.text+0xb3): undefined reference to
`ewl_object_size_request'
main.c:(.text+0xb8): undefined reference to
`EWL_CALLBACK_DELETE_WINDOW'
main.c:(.text+0xd7): undefined reference to
`ewl_callback_append'
main.c:(.text+0xe2): undefined reference to `ewl_widget_show'
main.c:(.text+0xe7): undefined reference to `ewl_main'
collect2: ld gab 1 als Ende-Status zurück

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RE: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread KaZeR
 


   You can find full list at the main page of project (
http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ ).
   With links to download pages of given projects (see 'Links' section
at right on the main page of project).

   And yes, its http://pyyaml.org/ .


Uh, right.

Three comments, after 10 seconds of use :
- nice
- detect user's homedir, instead of defaulting to /Users/ilya/Documents ?
- what about proposing links to distro / kernels downloads? With maybe
download of rootfs/kernel from the app?



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[debian] LXDE?

2008-12-22 Thread arne anka
someone recently suggested using LXDE instead of XFCE -- are there any  
experiences in regard to responsibility, memory requirements and  
functionality compared to XFCE?
is it really more lightweight and faster? and does openmoko-panel-plugin  
work (ie is there a standard systray)?

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Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released

2008-12-22 Thread Ilja O.




 Uh, right.

 Three comments, after 10 seconds of use :
 - nice



Thanks! [grin]



 - detect user's homedir, instead of defaulting to /Users/ilya/Documents ?



Sorry, distro wrapper didn't erase plugin configs before er... creating
distribution. (I only use svn checkout, really). Its pointed to user's
'Documents' folder by default (home dir on my Debian box).



 - what about proposing links to distro / kernels downloads? With maybe
 download of rootfs/kernel from the app?


This cold be nice. Currently I'm fixing distro wrapping script and trying to
add windows executable to distributions. I'll add Your proposal to
Suggestion/Issue list ( http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/issues/list ).
Hopefully I or someone else will have time to implement it [I am currently
considering about possibility of starting another om-related proect, now on
the phone itself]. You can join too, of course. [grin]
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Re: [debian] LXDE?

2008-12-22 Thread arne anka
 experiences in regard to responsibility

whoever might be responsible or not -- i meant responsiveness of course.

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Re: [Pkg-e-devel] [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?

2008-12-22 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/12/22 Albin Tonnerre albin.tonne...@gmail.com:

 There are no e17 packages in unstable (not in the debian archive, I mean)
 except eet. Maybe you're getting your packages from a third-party repository
 ?

 We put the image loaders and savers in the same package as libevas:
 libevas0, so you're likely not missing anything. Still, I'm curious about
 where those packages are from. Could you provide the result of `apt-cache
 policy libevas0` ? That would help

 Regards,
 Albin

Many thanks for your response.  Unfortunately I can't try that command
now, because I've overwritten my SD card with hackable:1.  From
memory, though, I'm 99% sure that my sources.list only contained
Debian and the pkg-fso repository.  It is feasible that the e17
packages came from pkg-fso?

Regards,
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Re: [Android] koolu first beta release

2008-12-22 Thread Gothnet



Andreas Wallin wrote:
 
 I tried it,
 Still the keyboard does not work in all text dialogs, wifi doesn't work,
 
 I cant lock screen, and suspend still doesn't work, GSM seems to work.
 
 I reflashed my openmoko with qt after 1 days use, When suspend,lock
 screen and soft keyboard works i will give android a new try,
 
 greetings !
 
 

Which kernel did you try?

with the tracking kernel (from Sean's directory or elsewhere) I could get
suspend and resume working to some extent with Sean's image. Haven't tried
koolu's one though, gave up on FR again about the 6th of december when
android decided that registering on GSM was just not going to happen any
more.
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Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?

2008-12-22 Thread john dowd
I'm sure someone has mentioned this application before but just in
case, have you ever heard of using the accelerometer to check the
batter status? The application that I heard about was: when the
application is running, you shake the FR just like you shake an opaque
water bottle to determine if its full or not, the application will
cause the phone to gurgle with the appropriate pitch in sound that
you would get if the FR's battery was full, half emtpy or empty.

This would be way kewl!!

Cheers!!

2008/12/20 François TOURDE fr...@tourde.org:
 Le 14230ième jour après Epoch,
 Lothar Behrens écrivait:

 Am 17.12.2008 um 13:16 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:

 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes:
 Is there a way to do this ?

 while true; do
  if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then
  alert
  fi
  sleep 120
 done


 this is a starting point :-)

 I've a small script that works as a daemon, checking interval depends
 on the charge (described on a file), play sounds (except when
 charging) depending on the current charge.

 There is no doc, no install proc, it's not packaged, but it can be
 done easily...

 The config file (default values in the script) contains:

  # Les différents niveaux
  THRESHOLDS=100:20:1200: 20:10:600:low 10:5:150:critical 5:0:30:emergency

 Each group of check parms is max:min:delay:sound

 If level is between (_max_,_min_), the aplay _sound_.wav and wait _delay_
 for next check.

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[SHR] how to restore default illume theme

2008-12-22 Thread Giorgio Marciano
How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a
new one and it doesn't work!

thanks

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[SHR] how to restore defauld illume theme

2008-12-22 Thread Giorgio Marciano
How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a
new one and it doesn't work!

thanks

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[big C rework] Anyone in Chile doing this?

2008-12-22 Thread Tomas Riveros Schober
Hello list,
I wonder if anyone in Chile with a freerunner is interested in doing the 
rework proposed by joerg. I´m cuerrently checking prices and they are 
making a big discount if they repair 10 or more units.
If anyone is interested just email me.

Tom
PS. I´m going to post this to the spanish mailing list too in case 
people don´t read the english one.

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Re: [Report] - Buzz fix

2008-12-22 Thread drac2000


Jim Morris wrote:
 
 
 Ok, so how/when will OM offer a fix for end users? This fix is way beyond
 my skills to do.
 
 
 -- 
 Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com
 
 

Please OM Team, consider this action
I can't wait to make my FR my real daily phone.
I am in Montreal/Canada

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Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme

2008-12-22 Thread Nathan Kinkade
2008/12/22 Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com:
 How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a
 new one and it doesn't work!

 thanks

Wrench - Look - Theme - select illume-shr doesn't do anything for you?

Nathan

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Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme

2008-12-22 Thread Giorgio Marciano
 I can't access to theme manager, i have to change theme manually using
the terminal..how can i do this?

  - Original Message -
  From: Nathan Kinkade
  To: List for Openmoko community discussion
  Subject: Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme
  Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:39:59 -0500


  2008/12/22 Giorgio Marciano :
   How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme
  with a
   new one and it doesn't work!
  
   thanks

  Wrench - Look - Theme - select illume-shr doesn't do anything for
  you?

  Nathan

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Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance

2008-12-22 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:23:42 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:07:45 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us
 babbled:
 
 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:52:09 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au
 wrote:
  On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster
  bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled:
  
   Dylan Reilly schrieb:
FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment
 on
  my
OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent
updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12
  image)
Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how
 much
IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module,
(/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is
 being
used.
   
Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking
 the
Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop
 shadows.
  On
a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems.
 So,
now I get a snappier UI to boot.
   
  
   WOOHOO!!! you made my day
  
  dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff
  has been
  done to the theme:
  
  
  Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing
  drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine.
  Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a
  gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment).
  
  Billk
 
 I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time
 lately, with SHR.  And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5%
 and
 bring it back through a single change:  I've been tweaking some Oxygen
 icons and using them under SHR -  256x256 png versions.  (Why?  Well, I
 like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated)  Anyway, changing from
 the
 256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%,
 restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%.
 
 icons include battery too?

I'm just replacing the 'desktop' icons in the launcher, using
Settings-Look-IconTheme.  I had expected that it would take longer to
initially display the launcher, with much larger png images to load and
scale, but thought that once they were loaded and scaled it would perform
essentially the same as smaller icons enlarged - literally the ONLY thing I
do is select Oxygen vis SHR in Icon Theme and HUP enlightenment, and with
the Oxys it sits there idling at an average about 27% CPU...

j

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Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme

2008-12-22 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:44:39 +0100, Giorgio Marciano
ledz...@writeme.com wrote:

IIRC the setting is stowed in ~/.e/e/config/illume-shr/e.cfg - if you
rename that file out of the way and try killall -HUP enlightenment you
should be back at square one... It's a binary file, so you can't just edit
it to change the theme.

j

  I can't access to theme manager, i have to change theme manually using
 the terminal..how can i do this?
 
   - Original Message -
   From: Nathan Kinkade
   To: List for Openmoko community discussion
   Subject: Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme
   Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:39:59 -0500
 
 
   2008/12/22 Giorgio Marciano :
How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme
   with a
new one and it doesn't work!
   
thanks
 
   Wrench - Look - Theme - select illume-shr doesn't do anything for
   you?
 
   Nathan
 
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Re: [SHR] how to restore default illume theme

2008-12-22 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Monday 22 December 2008 16:39:59 Nathan Kinkade wrote:
 2008/12/22 Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com:
  How can i restore the default shr-illume theme? i've changed theme with a
  new one and it doesn't work!
 
  thanks

 Wrench - Look - Theme - select illume-shr doesn't do anything for you?

I've run into this also... The problem is that once the theme is changed 
illume doesn't start up any more... You have to reset the config manually. 

AFAIK you can just copy the theme you want (illume-shr.edj) to 
~/.e/e/themes/illume.edj. Illume will use this on next start. 


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Re: [Pkg-e-devel] [debian] enlightenment has no png loader?

2008-12-22 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,


Am Montag, den 22.12.2008, 14:28 + schrieb Neil Jerram:
 2008/12/22 Albin Tonnerre albin.tonne...@gmail.com:
 
  There are no e17 packages in unstable (not in the debian archive, I mean)
  except eet. Maybe you're getting your packages from a third-party repository
  ?
 
  We put the image loaders and savers in the same package as libevas:
  libevas0, so you're likely not missing anything. Still, I'm curious about
  where those packages are from. Could you provide the result of `apt-cache
  policy libevas0` ? That would help
 
  Regards,
  Albin
 
 Many thanks for your response.  Unfortunately I can't try that command
 now, because I've overwritten my SD card with hackable:1.  From
 memory, though, I'm 99% sure that my sources.list only contained
 Debian and the pkg-fso repository.  It is feasible that the e17
 packages came from pkg-fso?

our installer, by default, activates the experimental distribution, so
that’s probably where it came from.

Note that the e17 in Debian experimental is from before the Illume
features were added.

Greetings,
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread AVee
On Wednesday 17 December 2008 02:36, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:31:01 -0800 Sargun Dhillon xbmodder
 +openm...@gmail.com babbled:

 you might want to read this:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

 this killed an entire company - it ceased to exist. again. regardless of
 what you want - it makes no business sense to go parading around the next
 gen device before its ready to ship if you have an existing one. so you'll
 have to probably just sit and wait. :)

Totally true, except for the fact that it didn't happen...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/20/no_osborne_effect_at_osborne/

Linked on that wikipedia page...

Regardless, there may well be a Reverse Osborne Effect as well, I bought a 
Freerunner, but right now I probably wouldn't buy one again, but wait for the 
GTA03. If there was a definitive statement telling me that would take at 
least an other year to get done I might just buy a GTA02.

And ofcourse there is the 'spend-money-only-once' syndrom, does it really 
matter if I buy a GTA02, or a GTA03 if I will never buy both anyway? People 
with plenty of money to spend on gadgets probably won't wait, people wo will 
wait probably won't by both anyway.

But than again, I know nothing about marketing...

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Re: [debian] LXDE?

2008-12-22 Thread Michele Renda
Il 22/12/2008 15:06, arne anka ha scritto:
 someone recently suggested using LXDE instead of XFCE -- are there any
 experiences in regard to responsibility, memory requirements and
 functionality compared to XFCE?
 is it really more lightweight and faster? and does openmoko-panel-plugin
 work (ie is there a standard systray)?

Hello, yes I was.

I used on FR and according me run faster than XFCE (and use less 
memory). Yes, if I remember well it has systray support, and it contain 
panel and plugins like XFCE.
You can find it on Debian repository (apt-get install lxde). All 
configurations can be done via gui.

Please, if you try it, please report your impressions.

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[All] tangogps - python scripts for .kml from/to sqlite

2008-12-22 Thread Thomas des Courières
Hi all,
just wanted to share some scripts I used.
The first one is for converting a list of points out of a kml file to a poi
sqlite3 database which tangogps can read, and the other one is for doing the
reverse operation : getting the pois of the tango gps db and creating a kml
file.
It might need some tweaking, as some things are hard coded.
Note that I also extracted the points of the kml file with my favorite
excel like program into a plain file listing all points.
Hoping that it will save someone's time,
Thomas
#!/usr/bin/python
# -*- coding: UTF-8 -*-


import os.path
import sqlite3
import time

file = '/home/root/myfile.txt'
database = sqlite3.connect('/home/root/.tangogps/poi.db', isolation_level=None)

FILE = open(file,'r')

for line in FILE:
	coords = line.split(',')
	print Coordonnees : lat = %s, lon = %s % (coords[0], coords[1])
	current_time = time.time()
	db_call = INSERT INTO poi (idmd5, lat, lon, visibility, cat, subcat, keywords, desc, price_range, extended_open) VALUES (?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?) 
	print database.execute(db_call, ('%s' % current_time, coords[1], coords[0], 1, 1, 0, '', '', 3, 0)).rowcount  0

FILE.close()

database.close()

#!/usr/bin/python
# -*- coding: UTF-8 -*-

import os.path
import sqlite3
import time

my_category = 0

database = sqlite3.connect('/home/root/.tangogps/poi.db')
pois = database.execute(SELECT * FROM POI WHERE cat=?, (my_category,) ).fetchall()
database.close()

file = '/home/root/myfile.kml'
FILE = open(file,'w')
FILE.truncate(0)

FILE.write('?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1?\n')
FILE.write('kml xmlns=http://earth.google.com/kml/2.0;\n')
FILE.write('Document\n')
FILE.write('Folder\n')
FILE.write('namePoint Features/name\n')
FILE.write('descriptionPoint Features/description\n')

i = 1
for poi in pois:
	print '%s : %f, %f' % (poi, poi[2],poi[1],)
	FILE.write('Placemark\n')
	FILE.write('name![CDATA[%i]]/name\n' % i)
	FILE.write('description![CDATA[Lat: %f br Lon: %fbr]]/description\n' % (poi[1],poi[2]) )
	FILE.write('Point\n')
	FILE.write('coordinates%f,%f,0/coordinates\n' % (poi[2],poi[1],))
	FILE.write('/Point\n')
	FILE.write('/Placemark\n')
	i = i + 1

FILE.write('/Folder\n')
FILE.write('/Document\n')
FILE.write('/kml\n')
FILE.close()


#	db_call = INSERT INTO poi (idmd5, lat, lon, visibility, cat, subcat, keywords, desc, price_range, extended_open) VALUES (?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?,?) 


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Re: [Om 2008.12] No ssh / no wifi ?

2008-12-22 Thread swap38

Ed Kapitein (via Nabble) a écrit :
 Hi Swap38,

 There is no item in the settings panel, but working with iwconfig and
 wpa_supplicant works fine.
 Please take a look at
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi
 and use the manual method of setting up your network. 
That's why I can't find it :-)
Thanks a lot for your answer.

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Re: qwerty keyboard

2008-12-22 Thread Peter Stumm
is there now any resolution

i have the 2008.12 image and enlightenment crashes always.
and after that the asu keyboard is there ...shit!

Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 18:51 +0200 schrieb Yogiz:
  One stupid question: is this the first image that is linked? (not by 
  alphabetical order, by line-number)
 Doesn't seem to be so.
 
  remote-diagnostics without additional info is quite thing
  would you dare to email a compressed (zip/tgz/ar/whatever) version of 
  your working directory?
  ...maybe directly to the ml... shouldn't be such a big file since the 
  asu theme doesn't use many pics
 I've sent it to you privately.
 
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Re: daily testing images info and some text if you want to read

2008-12-22 Thread julien cubizolles
Le dimanche 14 décembre 2008 à 21:32 +, Samuel Pereira a écrit :
 Hello,
 

 I have calculator, calendar, text editor, file browser, web Browser, 
 terminal, and a basic piano also :)

which calendar are you using ?


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Re: qwerty keyboard

2008-12-22 Thread Pander
Yeah the default keyboard is not the Illume one, hope this will be
changed soon. And also the Terminal keybaord may be default with Illume
keyboard too.

I did:
#Add/modify export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia
sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

If I only do the first line, I have no keyboard at all.

So for now I have the Illume keyboard with Illume and also get a bit
annoyed by all the crashes. What is the way to have the Illume keyboard
but not Illume, like in the latest FDOM?



Peter Stumm wrote:
 is there now any resolution
 
 i have the 2008.12 image and enlightenment crashes always.
 and after that the asu keyboard is there ...shit!
 
 Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 18:51 +0200 schrieb Yogiz:
 One stupid question: is this the first image that is linked? (not by 
 alphabetical order, by line-number)
 Doesn't seem to be so.

 remote-diagnostics without additional info is quite thing
 would you dare to email a compressed (zip/tgz/ar/whatever) version of 
 your working directory?
 ...maybe directly to the ml... shouldn't be such a big file since the 
 asu theme doesn't use many pics
 I've sent it to you privately.

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Re: 2008.12 and USB network Ubuntu Intrepid

2008-12-22 Thread Pander
What complete set of configuration changes and shell scripts are you
using? Please update the Wiki if it is out of date because once I got it
running and now (because I'm not a networking/iptables crack) it is not
anymore. Thanks.

Simon Kagstrom wrote:
 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:51:35 -0800 (PST)
 Bernt be...@trash-mail.com wrote:
 
 On FR I've installed 2008.12 and on my laptop Ubuntu Interpid with
 wicd.

 I have to use `sudo ifdown usb0` and `sudo ifup usb0` 
 every time I reboot or unplugged the usb cable from my freerunner.
 It's not so nice, but you can give it a try until there is a solution 
 again for automatic reconnect.
 
 Probably there is some proper fix to get this running cleanly, but I
 resorted to a simple script that simply configures the interface when I
 plug in the freerunner. It's found below and I just start it manually
 once after logging in.
 
 // Simon
 
 
 #!/bin/sh
 
 echo Starting ifcfg daemon
 while [ 1 ]; do
   tail -F /var/log/kern.log | grep -lq usb0: register 'cdc_ether'
   if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
   echo Setting up usb0
   /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200
   else
   sleep 1
   fi
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Re: [OM2008.12] show/hide wifi icon

2008-12-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:47:35 +0100 Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com
babbled:

 How can i show/hide the icon in the bottom bar on OM2008.12 or SHR? i
 want to control this feature from my python application, is it possible?
 
 How does it work? when i connect to an AP the icon magically appear but
 if i disconnect (killall wpa_supplicant and killall udhcpc) it remains
 showed in the bar.

thats a bug in the wifi driver - it reports bogus signal strength via netlink
and even if u kill the wifi device (disconnect) it keeps reporting signal
strength that is high (well totally insane  100%)


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Re: [OM 2008.12] Enlightenment Drop Shadow Performance

2008-12-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:54:42 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us babbled:

 On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:23:42 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
  On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:07:45 -0500 Joel Newkirk freerun...@newkirk.us
  babbled:
  
  On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:52:09 +0900, W.Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au
  wrote:
   On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 10:04 +1100, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:13:59 +0100 Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster
   bernd.pruens...@gmail.com babbled:
   
Dylan Reilly schrieb:
 FWIW, I have been able to reduce the CPU usage of Enlightenment
  on
   my
 OM testing build device by disabling drop shadows. After recent
 updates from testing (which should be more or less the 2008.12
   image)
 Enlightenment was constantly grabbing 20% CPU and who knows how
  much
 IO. After I obliterated the drop shadow module,
 (/usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/dropshadow) only 1-2% CPU is
  being
 used.

 Moreover, I remembered some recent post(s) tentatively linking
  the
 Software-16 crashes (when using the illume theme) to drop
  shadows.
   On
 a whim I re-enabled that engine and am not seeing any problems.
  So,
 now I get a snappier UI to boot.

   
WOOHOO!!! you made my day
   
   dropshadow shouldnt cause 20% cpu - unless some totally bizarre stuff
   has been
   done to the theme:
   
   
   Running the illume theme: Not sure about the cpu - but removing
   drop-shadow does stop the segfaults when running software_16 engine.
   Also the Settings app now runs, and for a short while at least I had a
   gsm signal level (maybe too low where I am at the moment).
   
   Billk
  
  I've seen Enlightenment running between 18% and 30% most of the time
  lately, with SHR.  And I just discovered I am able to drop it to 3%-5%
  and
  bring it back through a single change:  I've been tweaking some Oxygen
  icons and using them under SHR -  256x256 png versions.  (Why?  Well, I
  like my icons big, but I hate them pixellated)  Anyway, changing from
  the
  256x256 Oxygen icons to the 86x86 SHR icons dropped me from 30% to 5%,
  restoring the big Oxy's brought me right back to 30%.
  
  icons include battery too?
 
 I'm just replacing the 'desktop' icons in the launcher, using
 Settings-Look-IconTheme.  I had expected that it would take longer to
 initially display the launcher, with much larger png images to load and
 scale, but thought that once they were loaded and scaled it would perform
 essentially the same as smaller icons enlarged - literally the ONLY thing I
 do is select Oxygen vis SHR in Icon Theme and HUP enlightenment, and with
 the Oxys it sits there idling at an average about 27% CPU...

that's bizarre as that would imply its redrawing the icons too (evas scales on
the fly - as images are not loaded and then fixed at a size - they can resize
anytime anywhere just based on object properties so the scale is done as it
draws. for things like GL or when things are accelerated - this is fast and
what you want. in software it's a cost. i have an experimental scale cache
patch here that puts in a cache of alreadys-caled data if used often enough...
but the problem is.. it shouldnt make a difference unless its updating the area
where the icons are... and that shouldnt be happening... unless something
totally bizarre has gone on... and thats what i'm concerned about - the bit i
dont know about (the redraws)).


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Re: [debian] LXDE?

2008-12-22 Thread jos
Hello,

I also want to try LXDE but I don't no how to start it up.
Can you help me please?

(I have been reading the wiki, but I don' t get it :-( )

Thanks

Jos.

Op maandag 22-12-2008 om 19:04 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Michele
Renda:
 Il 22/12/2008 15:06, arne anka ha scritto:
  someone recently suggested using LXDE instead of XFCE -- are there any
  experiences in regard to responsibility, memory requirements and
  functionality compared to XFCE?
  is it really more lightweight and faster? and does openmoko-panel-plugin
  work (ie is there a standard systray)?
 
 Hello, yes I was.
 
 I used on FR and according me run faster than XFCE (and use less 
 memory). Yes, if I remember well it has systray support, and it contain 
 panel and plugins like XFCE.
 You can find it on Debian repository (apt-get install lxde). All 
 configurations can be done via gui.
 
 Please, if you try it, please report your impressions.
 
 


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Re: qwerty keyboard

2008-12-22 Thread W.Kenworthy
Crashes are a VERY well known problem with LOTS of emails on the list.

switch to the software engine, or remove the dropshadow module.

BillK


On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 22:50 +0100, Pander wrote:
 Yeah the default keyboard is not the Illume one, hope this will be
 changed soon. And also the Terminal keybaord may be default with Illume
 keyboard too.
 
 I did:
 #Add/modify export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in
 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia
 sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
 
 If I only do the first line, I have no keyboard at all.
 
 So for now I have the Illume keyboard with Illume and also get a bit
 annoyed by all the crashes. What is the way to have the Illume keyboard
 but not Illume, like in the latest FDOM?
 
 
 
 Peter Stumm wrote:
  is there now any resolution
  
  i have the 2008.12 image and enlightenment crashes always.
  and after that the asu keyboard is there ...shit!
  
  Am Mittwoch, den 17.12.2008, 18:51 +0200 schrieb Yogiz:
  One stupid question: is this the first image that is linked? (not by 
  alphabetical order, by line-number)
  Doesn't seem to be so.
 
  remote-diagnostics without additional info is quite thing
  would you dare to email a compressed (zip/tgz/ar/whatever) version of 
  your working directory?
  ...maybe directly to the ml... shouldn't be such a big file since the 
  asu theme doesn't use many pics
  I've sent it to you privately.
 
  Yogiz
 
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-22 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz

On 12/23/08 AVee wrote:
 Regardless, there may well be a Reverse Osborne Effect as well, I 
 bought a 
 Freerunner, but right now I probably wouldn't buy one again, but wait 
 for the 
 GTA03. If there was a definitive statement telling me that would take 
 at 
 least an other year to get done I might just buy a GTA02.

GTA03 is at least 3 years away. Do you want to buy three GTA02s now? ;-)

   -Sean

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mokomakefile

2008-12-22 Thread William Kenworthy
Trying to build testing (2008.x) with mokomakefile but it crashes out
with an error making me think its not.

Just to confirm that I am building what I think I am:

OE Build Configuration:
BB_VERSION= 1.8.11
METADATA_BRANCH   = org.openmoko.dev

METADATA_REVISION = bad4ab8693c8309c48f282688344b1f266368e84
TARGET_ARCH   = arm
TARGET_OS = linux-gnueabi
MACHINE   = om-gta02
DISTRO= openmoko
DISTRO_VERSION= -20081223
TARGET_FPU= soft

In mokomakefile:
# OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.asu.stable
# OM_IMAGE_NAME := openmoko-asu-image
OM_GIT_BRANCH := org.openmoko.dev
OM_IMAGE_NAME := openmoko-base-image

should give me 2008.testing ???
and the two commented lines 2008.12 ???

right?

BillK

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Re: [debian] LXDE?

2008-12-22 Thread Michele Renda
Il 23/12/2008 00:30, jos ha scritto:
 I also want to try LXDE but I don't no how to start it up.
 Can you help me please?

It is simple. First of all you must to have Debian installed.

Than you have to install lxde with the command:

apt-get install lxde

This command will install a metapackage that will install all the 
package needed to get lxde running.

Now you should be able to get it running with the command: startlxde4

To get it running automatically you can edit your .xsession:

#!/bin/sh
startlxde4

(Ps. I am not very sure about the last step. If someone know better how to 
launch lxde please correct me).


Ps.2. I saw that lxde can be configure to appeare like XFCE. Nice.)


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