Re: Freerunner corrupts dhcp forwarding of Linksys WRE54G wirelessrange extender

[Sargun Dhillon]

It's not the freerunners fault. Don't blame it. Your forwarding device
is obviously crap...

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Joel Newkirk  wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:38:08 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors
>  wrote:
>> Jan Vlug  writes:
>>> Resetting the WRE54G by unplugging it fixes this problem.
>>> I am surprised by this behavior because in theory, the WRE54G should
>>> only forward network packets...
>>
>> Can you capture the network traffic to file and put it online
>> somewhere? It would be useful to see both the working and non-working
>> case.
>
> Indeed this is odd.  A traffic cap from the DHCP server would be quite
> helpful, if it's capable of that.  If it's a linux box, then "tshark -i
> eth0 -f 'udp port 67 or udp port 68' -w dhcpsniff.cap" should stuff full
> packets into the designated file - alter the interface designation as
> needed.  The resulting file will be a binary capture that can subsequently
> be opened and analyzed by tshark and wireshark, among other programs.
>
> It'd be good if you could capture samples of:
>
> A successful DHCP request from a PC.
>
> The successful DHCP request from the FreeRunner.
>
> A failed DHCP request from the same PC once the FR request has processed.
>
> j
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Re: [Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes

[The Rasterman]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:31:35 +0530 Kishore 
babbled:

http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv016.cgi?read=92882
(search for wear levelling - message # 4):

Part of the SD spec is something called "wear leveling". This attempts to
spread writes out to previously unused physical sectors and maps them to their
proper logical sector number. Properly implemented, you wont wear out a fixed
directory sector. The spec and flash chips also supports bad block replacement. 

even openmoko's wiki:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD

SD cards are supposed to support wear leveling, but this can not be guaranteed
for all vendors.

:)

i can keep hunting down more references - but its meant to be part of the spec.
cards should do it - some may do it better than others (ie name brands - cost
more, lifetime warranties), and some el-cheapo ones may skip it to cut costs.

> On Saturday 17 Jan 2009 6:13:37 am Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > as such the sd-card should be doing wear-levelling for you as it maps
> > logical to physical addresses and has an erase pool with extra blocks to
> > play with. it can be "improved" by a better fs aware of the algorithms that
> > card uses - but each card may be different depending on maker...
> > wear-levelling is part of the spec for sd and hidden behind the sd access
> > interface - so card manufacturer will determine quality of this... so spend
> > your money wisely and get a good reputable sd card from the major names
> > that come with lifetime warranties.
> 
> Are you sure of this? I remember from a few years back for a project at work 
> it was understood that compact flash was the only card that did wear
> levelling internally and that is why it also was so much more expensive. I
> know most of USB memory sticks do it these days so it cant be that expensive
> any more. If true then this is really good news. One will not need to bother
> too much with having to use a file system which does wear levelling for any
> project that uses a SD card.


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Re: Freerunner corrupts dhcp forwarding of Linksys WRE54G wirelessrange extender

[Joel Newkirk]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:38:08 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors
 wrote:
> Jan Vlug  writes:
>> Resetting the WRE54G by unplugging it fixes this problem.
>> I am surprised by this behavior because in theory, the WRE54G should
>> only forward network packets...
> 
> Can you capture the network traffic to file and put it online
> somewhere? It would be useful to see both the working and non-working
> case.

Indeed this is odd.  A traffic cap from the DHCP server would be quite
helpful, if it's capable of that.  If it's a linux box, then "tshark -i
eth0 -f 'udp port 67 or udp port 68' -w dhcpsniff.cap" should stuff full
packets into the designated file - alter the interface designation as
needed.  The resulting file will be a binary capture that can subsequently
be opened and analyzed by tshark and wireshark, among other programs.

It'd be good if you could capture samples of:

A successful DHCP request from a PC.

The successful DHCP request from the FreeRunner.

A failed DHCP request from the same PC once the FR request has processed.

j

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Re: New Default Illume Keybd Layout

[Shashank Bharadwaj]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, c_c  wrote:

> Well, I rearranged the default illume keyboard to increase the letters (a
> little) and optimise for right hand input.


I was just wondering. If we can in the landscape mode, make use of the
extra space.
i.e.: take [1] and make it look more like [2]. I created [2] using GIMP. But

if somehow we can do that resizing then that would speed up writing a lot!

[1]: http://shanka.org/openmoko/screenshot1.png
[2]: http://shanka.org/openmoko/screenshot2.png

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Re: New Default Illume Keybd Layout

[Shashank Bharadwaj]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, c_c  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>  Well, I rearranged the default illume keyboard to increase the letters (a
> little) and optimise for right hand input.
> http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2172078/Screenshot-1.png


I just tried it out. Had to do:

wget http://www.opkg.org/packages/illume-default-alt_0.1_arm.ipk
opkg install illume-default-alt_0.1_arm.ipk
/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart

to get it working.

It works great. Thanks.


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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Another test: I tried it on my desktop Ubuntu Intrepid. It starts nice
and I see the GUI, it finds my map directory and starts downloading
well, a lot faster than on moko & wireless connection.

It checked 17 files (downloaded 16)
and crashed:

/home/rhk/freerunner/maps/osm_uusi/10/593/293.png
  % Total% Received % Xferd  Average Speed   TimeTime Time  Current
 Dload  Upload   Total   SpentLeft  Speed
  0 126580 00 0  0  0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 0
Unhandled exception in thread started by
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./yaouh.py", line 102, in up_progressbar
md5=md5sum.read()
IOError: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call

I don't know about others but it might be faster to update the tiles
on the desktop (more power, fast connection and more on-line time
available) and then copy/rsync the changed files to the memory card.
This is the reason why I'd like to run it (also) on my desktop.

Anyway, thanks again for a nice and useful app!

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Risto H. Kurppa]

I run a little test: Timed how long it takes to scan through 150 tiles
(not all updated), it took 3:20. So for my 300 000 tiles it would take
about 4.6 days and this would leave me another 2.4 days to use the map
before it's re-rendered so all speed available is really appreciated
:)

(ok, it's a long time since I downloaded the tiles so for example now
350/720 have been updated. Running this more often will not take quite
this long..)

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Re: [Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes

[Kishore]

On Saturday 17 Jan 2009 6:13:37 am Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> as such the sd-card should be doing wear-levelling for you as it maps
> logical to physical addresses and has an erase pool with extra blocks to
> play with. it can be "improved" by a better fs aware of the algorithms that
> card uses - but each card may be different depending on maker...
> wear-levelling is part of the spec for sd and hidden behind the sd access
> interface - so card manufacturer will determine quality of this... so spend
> your money wisely and get a good reputable sd card from the major names
> that come with lifetime warranties.

Are you sure of this? I remember from a few years back for a project at work 
it was understood that compact flash was the only card that did wear levelling 
internally and that is why it also was so much more expensive. I know most of 
USB memory sticks do it these days so it cant be that expensive any more. If 
true then this is really good news. One will not need to bother too much with 
having to use a file system which does wear levelling for any project that uses 
a SD card.
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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Hi!

Yes, it looks like a very nice program and I like it that it checks
the files without loading them -> a lot less traffic for OSM servers &
me :)

I have about 300 000 tiles on the card so speed really matters in this
case.. It took some minutes after pressing the start button before I
got any stdout/GUI feedback (except the OSM line), I suppose this is
when it was indexing the files. I tried to stopwatch how long it takes
to update 100 tiles or so but it got stuck in some file, waited for it
almost 4 minutes before I restarted it.

So some further development would be nice but this already is a usable
tool, if it only is able to run through all my files.

Also a desktop version would be handy, should just try if you can run
the .py on desktop..

r

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Carlo Minucci  wrote:
> Thomas Franck ha scritto:
>
>>
>> Very nice program.. works like a charm (so far (checking on ~70k
>> tiles)).. it's somewhat slow, though.. maybe you can implement that
>> python httplib to save the curl invocations? :) please?
>
> maybe in the next release :)
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Re: [2008.12] Qwerty keyboard and wrench

Robin Paulson schrieb:
> 2009/1/17 "Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster" :
>   
>> Sorry to warm it up again, but i was even looking into the fdom tarball
>> and trying out the themes, but i didn't find anything useful.
>> the qwerty button is no problem, but the wrench is (as already said, the
>> config dialogs are missing/outside of the screen).
>> did anyone suceed in building a theme that features a working wrench?
>> i don't know why i am suddenly so keen on this.
>> 
>
> use the illume theme, instead of the default asu theme
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle#In_base-image_.28testing.29
>
> which also removes the pointless and ugly 'install' bar at the bottom
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i flashed om 2008.12. but the asu theme is (/seems to be) much faster.

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New Default Illume Keybd Layout

[c_c]

Hi,
  Well, I rearranged the default illume keyboard to increase the letters (a
little) and optimise for right hand input.
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2172078/Screenshot-1.png 

 Have posted the opkg at  http://www.opkg.org/package_101.html opkg.org .
 
 It's improved my typing speed sufficiently. Just thought I'll let people
know :-)
 BTW the image on the opkg.org page is not right. And I can't seem to change
it.
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Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

qwo is on the way to debian...

Christian Amsuess has done initial packaging, we are just resolving some
issues, upstream moved to using git and did some handy fixes... some
time very soon I will upload it into Debian (hopefully late this
weekend).

what problems did you particularly encountered while building it?
may be there is some arm specific challenge (I've not tried to built it
yet on my FR)

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Davide Scaini wrote:

>i'm trying cellwriter on my debian...
>- do you know a way to start it on e17 no in "fullscreen" mode?
>I tried to pack qwo (deb) with no success right now... hope to have
>news soon.
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[Om2008.12] Desktop Icons Position

[boilers...@gmail.com]

Hi All,

currently the desktop icons (the Desktop Entries, stored in the 
/usr/share/applications/ folder) seems to be sorted alphabetically.

Is it possible to manually set their position / order ?

Thanks
Mike

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Deleting SIM Card Contacts on 2008.x

[Matthew Lane]

Does anyone know a method to delete sim card contacts on 2008.x?  I'm 
currently using FDOM, and some bug imported all my contacts onto my sim 
card with the name "/hp" and I was wondering if anyone knew a method.  
Thanks.

Matthew

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Re: [Om2008.12] Remove Install Bar (raster?)

[The Rasterman]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:22:35 +0100 "boilers...@gmail.com"
 babbled:

> > I did this previously by going through all the resources, one by one,
> > disabling them and then recompiling the theme. It took a couple of hours but
> > it worked. Whichever file you use to tell the theme to set a background
> > image, it's in there somewhere.
> > 
> > Of course, since then I've reflashed the phone several times and never did
> > note down what I'd done. D'oh.
> 
> I can't seem to find it.
> Maybe this ticket is the beginning of the INSTALLER button story ?
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1582
> 
> If yes, Raster: how do I remove the bottom Install Bar ?

you can at best just modify the theme to have blank invisible stuff for
flaunch. you can't get rid of it. by the time i implemented this specifically
for the om ui design, there as no point making it optional because 1. there was
unhappiness me spending any time on anything out of spec (so making it
optional is out of spec). and even if i did make it an option - om had no
desire to use the config ui illume/e already had and wanted their own python
exposure thing - which wasn't going to get an option for this - as the ui for
that was specified explicitly.

so basically its there. like it or not. at best you can fiddle the theme to
make it invisible. :)

i normally have a policy of making as much configurable or modular as possible
(or that is sane/i have the time to do). it's a real pain as anything always
takes longer to do at the start as you have to sit and think of a whole bunch
of possible configuration cases and how that interacts with everything else
etc. so i understand why om doesnt want config - but you pay the price for it
later when users dont like what they have and are stuck. :(

i haven't really fiddled with illume much of late (working on e core and
elementary), but when i roll back around to it i'm going to really gut illume
into multiple modules, and do the ui so it's much better and closer to what i'd
have wanted :) but it will just take time.

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[Om2008.12] Mokoko ... libid3tag0

[boilers...@gmail.com]

Hi All,

Is it possible to install Mokoko ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokoko ) on 
Om2008.12 ?

I mean: both
opkg install 
http://om-mediaplayer.googlecode.com/files/mokoko_0.1_svnr127-r1_armv4t.opk
and 
opkg install 
http://om-mediaplayer.googlecode.com/files/mokoko_0.1_svnr119_r0_armv4t.opk
returns

* ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for mokoko:
*  libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b) *

and libid3tag* is not available.


Thanks for supporting,
have a nice day.
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Re: [Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes

[The Rasterman]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:03:03 +1100 Chris Samuel  babbled:

> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:14:53 am Nick Van Fossen wrote:
> 
> > So, I'm a bit lazy so instead of going through the trouble of adding a swap
> > partition, I just created a swap file.
> 
> I would say that you're not necessarily being lazy there, if you configure a 
> swap partition then you are limiting where the kernel can write bytes on the 
> SD card which will lead to uneven wear on it.
> 
> In future with a COW SSD aware wear-leveling filesystem like btrfs a swap
> file may end up being more SD friendly as the filesystem may (hopefully!)
> balance out those writes across the card.

as such the sd-card should be doing wear-levelling for you as it maps logical
to physical addresses and has an erase pool with extra blocks to play with. it
can be "improved" by a better fs aware of the algorithms that card uses - but
each card may be different depending on maker... wear-levelling is part of the
spec for sd and hidden behind the sd access interface - so card manufacturer
will determine quality of this... so spend your money wisely and get a good
reputable sd card from the major names that come with lifetime warranties.

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Re: [Om2008.12] Remove Install Bar (raster?)

[boilers...@gmail.com]

> I did this previously by going through all the resources, one by one,
> disabling them and then recompiling the theme. It took a couple of hours but
> it worked. Whichever file you use to tell the theme to set a background
> image, it's in there somewhere.
> 
> Of course, since then I've reflashed the phone several times and never did
> note down what I'd done. D'oh.

I can't seem to find it.
Maybe this ticket is the beginning of the INSTALLER button story ?
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1582

If yes, Raster: how do I remove the bottom Install Bar ?


Thanks,
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Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup

[Levy A. M. Sant'Anna]

Did someone created another keyboard for terminal layout?
I did, but is not so good, yet.

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[solved] Re: quick help for freerunner noob, terminal/wifi missing

[Daniel Spies]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:14:48 +0100, "Yorick Moko" 
wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Daniel Spies 
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I received my Freerunner today and after loading the battery I flashed
>> everything (kernel, rootfs and u-boot) to the 2008.12 release. Work's
>> pretty well, except I can't find a termin/console and cannot find any
>> possibity to access wireless networks (as I am not at home atm I can't
>> use
>> USB). So is it normal for 2008.12 to not have that much apps installed
>> per
>> default? Did I miss someting when flashing? I can't find any issues like
>> mine searching Google, and it seems the Wiki doesn't handle this issue
as
>> well. It would be great if I just could get access to the terminal like
I
>> could in the previously installed 2007.2... Any hints?
>>
> 
> haven't used 2008.12, but previous 2008.* didn't include much apps
> so you'll need usb connection to install terminal
> and terminal or something like mofi
> (http://www.opkg.org/package_11.html) to get wifi up
> 
> y
> 

Thanks a lot, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow :(

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Re: quick help for freerunner noob, terminal/wifi missing

[Yorick Moko]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Daniel Spies  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I received my Freerunner today and after loading the battery I flashed
> everything (kernel, rootfs and u-boot) to the 2008.12 release. Work's
> pretty well, except I can't find a termin/console and cannot find any
> possibity to access wireless networks (as I am not at home atm I can't use
> USB). So is it normal for 2008.12 to not have that much apps installed per
> default? Did I miss someting when flashing? I can't find any issues like
> mine searching Google, and it seems the Wiki doesn't handle this issue as
> well. It would be great if I just could get access to the terminal like I
> could in the previously installed 2007.2... Any hints?
>

haven't used 2008.12, but previous 2008.* didn't include much apps
so you'll need usb connection to install terminal
and terminal or something like mofi
(http://www.opkg.org/package_11.html) to get wifi up

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Re: [Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes

[Nelson Castillo]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Chris Samuel  wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:14:53 am Nick Van Fossen wrote:
>
>> So, I'm a bit lazy so instead of going through the trouble of adding a swap
>> partition, I just created a swap file.
>
> I would say that you're not necessarily being lazy there, if you configure a
> swap partition then you are limiting where the kernel can write bytes on the
> SD card which will lead to uneven wear on it.
>
> In future with a COW SSD aware wear-leveling filsystem like btrfs a swap file
> may end up being more SD friendly as the filesystem may (hopefully!) balance
> out those writes across the card.

I saw this project some time ago. It seems nice but I don't know if it
can be useful for you. I tested with an old laptop I had (X86) and it
worked well. About 7 months ago the author said he had crashes in ARM
arch ... I did not test and I do not know whether the crashes were
fixed.

http://code.google.com/p/compcache/

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Re: Handwriting (was Re: Dual touch display)

[Yorick Moko]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Robin Paulson  wrote:
> 2009/1/16  :
>>> Now that you bring it up, I'm wondering why we don't have such an input
>>> method
>>> yet. It would not need more space than the illume kb we have but would be
>>> (at
>>> least for human languages I think) much more intuitive than a finger kb
>>> with
>>> usable, but fairly small buttons.
>>> Is handwriting recognition (fairly simple shapes, one could stick to block
>>> letters) hard to do?
>>>
>>
>> Qt Extended has it, works pretty well, and it is open source. Also, I
>> think I have seem some handwriting input methods in opkg.org and in the
>> wiki, but I haven't tried them.
>
> i've seen a package called qtopia-x11-handwriting, or something
> similar, in the 2008.12 repos; i guess this is it? is there any
> documentation on how to get it working? i had it installed about 3
> flashes ago, but never figured out how to use it, and didn't try it
> again
>
> thanks
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handwriting worked in qtopia
never tried it on another distro

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quick help for freerunner noob, terminal/wifi missing

[Daniel Spies]

Hi all,

I received my Freerunner today and after loading the battery I flashed
everything (kernel, rootfs and u-boot) to the 2008.12 release. Work's
pretty well, except I can't find a termin/console and cannot find any
possibity to access wireless networks (as I am not at home atm I can't use
USB). So is it normal for 2008.12 to not have that much apps installed per
default? Did I miss someting when flashing? I can't find any issues like
mine searching Google, and it seems the Wiki doesn't handle this issue as
well. It would be great if I just could get access to the terminal like I
could in the previously installed 2007.2... Any hints?

Thanks a lot!
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Re: [2008.12] Qwerty keyboard and wrench

[Robin Paulson]

2009/1/17 "Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster" :
> Sorry to warm it up again, but i was even looking into the fdom tarball
> and trying out the themes, but i didn't find anything useful.
> the qwerty button is no problem, but the wrench is (as already said, the
> config dialogs are missing/outside of the screen).
> did anyone suceed in building a theme that features a working wrench?
> i don't know why i am suddenly so keen on this.

use the illume theme, instead of the default asu theme

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle#In_base-image_.28testing.29

which also removes the pointless and ugly 'install' bar at the bottom

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Re: [Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes

[Chris Samuel]

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:14:53 am Nick Van Fossen wrote:

> So, I'm a bit lazy so instead of going through the trouble of adding a swap
> partition, I just created a swap file.

I would say that you're not necessarily being lazy there, if you configure a 
swap partition then you are limiting where the kernel can write bytes on the 
SD card which will lead to uneven wear on it.

In future with a COW SSD aware wear-leveling filsystem like btrfs a swap file 
may end up being more SD friendly as the filesystem may (hopefully!) balance 
out those writes across the card.

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RE: FrogPad & Freerunner

[Darby, Robin]

YY, I used one of them a while back for my linux console; tbh I never really 
got my head around it and gave up :(.
They work tho... U may have more luck/patience...

Ty
  Robin..

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Has anybody had any experience with this keyboard?

http://www.frogpad.com/
http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/zoom/

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Re: [Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes

[Robin Paulson]

2009/1/17 Nick Van Fossen :
> Just as a helpful note, adding swap space seems to help against application
> crashes.  I've always had issues with
> tangoGPS and the various webbrower apps crashing.  Looking into it a little

how were you getting tangogps to crash, it's probably the most stable
app i've used on the freerunner? were you recording gps tracks for
many hours?

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FrogPad & Freerunner

[Braydon Fuller]

Has anybody had any experience with this keyboard?

http://www.frogpad.com/
http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/zoom/

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Re: Handwriting (was Re: Dual touch display)

[Robin Paulson]

2009/1/16  :
>> Now that you bring it up, I'm wondering why we don't have such an input
>> method
>> yet. It would not need more space than the illume kb we have but would be
>> (at
>> least for human languages I think) much more intuitive than a finger kb
>> with
>> usable, but fairly small buttons.
>> Is handwriting recognition (fairly simple shapes, one could stick to block
>> letters) hard to do?
>>
>
> Qt Extended has it, works pretty well, and it is open source. Also, I
> think I have seem some handwriting input methods in opkg.org and in the
> wiki, but I haven't tried them.

i've seen a package called qtopia-x11-handwriting, or something
similar, in the 2008.12 repos; i guess this is it? is there any
documentation on how to get it working? i had it installed about 3
flashes ago, but never figured out how to use it, and didn't try it
again

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[Om2008.12] Adding swap space can stop app crashes

[Nick Van Fossen]

Just as a helpful note, adding swap space seems to help against application 
crashes.  I've always had issues with 
tangoGPS and the various webbrower apps crashing.  Looking into it a little 
more I notice that this was occurring when the 
puny 128MB of memory was getting filled up.  So, I added a swap file onto my 
microSD card and have had these problems 
practically clear up.  Anyone else had any similar experiences?  If this is a 
true fix this should probably go onto the wiki.  

So, I'm a bit lazy so instead of going through the trouble of adding a swap 
partition, I just created a swap file.  My microSD 
card is mounted at /media/nickcard so change the below accordingly.  I set mine 
up for 1GB, but that seems like way 
overkill, so here is a quick command list to create a 1/2GB swap.  

Create the swap file on the mounted microSD card (count is the number of 
megabytes, change accordingly):
dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/nickcard/swapfile.img bs=1024k count=512

Format the swap file:
mkswap /media/nickcard/swapfile.img

Add the swap file to your running system:
swapon /media/nickcard/swapfile.img

use "free -m" to verify that the swap is going

Now like I said I am lazy, so I didn't want to bother remembering how fstab 
worked so that it would auto-start that way, 
so I just added that last command to the startup.  I read that you would just 
add 
"/media/nickcard/swapfile.img none swap sw 0 0" to /etc/fstab but don't sue me 
if that part don't work.  :)

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Re: [debian] e17 from fso repos

[Davide Scaini]

;-)
now i remember something...
maybe unconsciusly i hoped in some improvement...
ok at least it's clear that we're interested in e17 on debian... it seems
the only great alternative to me to make my phone working.
thanks for your reply, hoping for news soon
d


On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:

> > solution: i purged all the libraries coming from the deb package and
> > from the `apt-get install e17`... then i reinstalled e17 and updated all
> > the packages... now it works but i have no keyboard (just a piece ;-) )
> > if is there someone listening that uses e17 from fso-alioth repos with
> > success let me know...
>
> Please read this thread:
>
>
> http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/smartphones-userland/2009-January/000877.html
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Handwriting (was Re: Dual touch display)

[flamma]

> Now that you bring it up, I'm wondering why we don't have such an input
> method
> yet. It would not need more space than the illume kb we have but would be
> (at
> least for human languages I think) much more intuitive than a finger kb
> with
> usable, but fairly small buttons.
> Is handwriting recognition (fairly simple shapes, one could stick to block
> letters) hard to do?
>

Qt Extended has it, works pretty well, and it is open source. Also, I
think I have seem some handwriting input methods in opkg.org and in the
wiki, but I haven't tried them.


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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Carlo Minucci]

Thomas Franck ha scritto:

> 
> Very nice program.. works like a charm (so far (checking on ~70k
> tiles)).. it's somewhat slow, though.. maybe you can implement that
> python httplib to save the curl invocations? :) please?

maybe in the next release :)

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

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Very nice program.. works like a charm (so far (checking on ~70k
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python httplib to save the curl invocations? :) please?

Thank you for that tool. (The OSM updater just didn't cut it for me)

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Re: [debian] e17 from fso repos

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

> solution: i purged all the libraries coming from the deb package and
> from the `apt-get install e17`... then i reinstalled e17 and updated all
> the packages... now it works but i have no keyboard (just a piece ;-) )
> if is there someone listening that uses e17 from fso-alioth repos with
> success let me know...

Please read this thread:

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Re: [debian] e17 from fso repos

[Davide Scaini]

ok, maybe I have some problems in express my route...
- my sources are those from debian first install.. so i'm not mixing
anything wierd
- i was coming from the enlightenment-all-in-one.deb from that thread and i
was searching for something more updated...

solution: i purged all the libraries coming from the deb package and from
the `apt-get install e17`... then i reinstalled e17 and updated all the
packages... now it works but i have no keyboard (just a piece ;-) )
if is there someone listening that uses e17 from fso-alioth repos with
success let me know...
thanks in advance
d

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:43 PM, "Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster" <
bernd.pruens...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb:
> >> Hi all,
> >> I installed e17 from fso repos (i removed the manually installed package
> >> I was using)... but right now I'm not able to run englightenment_start
> >> at startup as i did before in my .xsessionrc file because of this error:
> >> error while loading shared libraries: libevas.so.0: cannot open shared
> >> object file: No such file or directory
> >>
> >> any hint is deeply welcome
> >>
> >
> > Mixing distrow is *always* a bad idea. That will lead to all sort of
> > breakges.
> >
> > In this case, Debian pkg-e team decided to change sonames of e libraries
> > because of unstable ABI.
> >
> > Pkg-fso repository currently has packages with changes sonames.
> >
> > I hope a working e17 will follow soon. Help is welcome on that :)
> >
> > P.S.
> > You may try to symlink libevase-0.0.50a.so to libevas.so.0, and similar
> to
> > other libs, then you will no longer see that error. Instead your linker
> > will blindly use binary-incompatible libs, and application will crash
> > sooner or later. You have been warned.
> >
> There is a deb package available at the ml somwhere just google for
> enlightenment all in one or state of enlightenment packaging and
> site:lists.openmoko.org
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Re: [Om2008.12] Dbus ? Frameworkd ? Headset ?

[Dylan Reilly]

You can also try grabbing the frameworkd packages from the FSO
repository and installing them. That is what I have working.

If that is not to your liking, try using or perusing [1]. It works on
my Frankenstein of an openmoko.

[1] http://atariland.net/~dreilly/openmoko/audio/headset-watcher

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 wrote:
> No version of Openmoko 2008.x uses frameworkd. Please install FSO or SHR for
> that.
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Emacs for Om2008

[Sven Bretfeld]

Hello 

Does anybody know about a working Emacs package for Om2008.x? It is
mentioned several times in the www but I couldn't find a package.

Thanks

Sven

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Carlo Minucci]

The Digital Pioneer ha scritto:
> No go. I tried grepping for just OSM though, here's what I got...
> 
> r...@om-gta02 [~] # cat .gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml | grep OSM
>   OSM

ok
this is the problem :)

can you send me this %gconf.xml via email?
i want to check the difference with mine

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Re: Fwd: Re: SanDisk MicroSD Class6 8GB 4,90 Eur incl. shipping

[Chaosspawn23]

Daniel Spies schrieb:
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:53:44 +0100, "arne anka" 
> wrote:
>>> The card is indeed plugged in a memory stick adapter, but you can remove
>> nope, it is an usb adaptor.
>>
>>
>>> from there and get a normal microSD card.
>> nope! it is an MEMORY STICK!
>> that's a sony specific medium, but no SD CARD.
>>
> 
> I need to apologize, I mixed it up with
> http://sandisk.com/Products/Item(2630)-SDSDQY-8192-A11M-SanDisk_Mobile_Ultra_microSDHC_8GBCard.aspx
> This is the microSD card I was talking about, so I'm lucky they canceled my
> order :P
> 
> Thanks for correcting me!

Oh, never mind - the sandisk site has a nice offer, too - 16 gig microsd for
only $ 0! ;)

Regards,
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Re: [All] To build a better music player

[The Digital Pioneer]

>
> If you are impatient, you can look in mplayerbackend.py and comment out the
> part that uses ID3 to read file details. It's in the function that loads
> files into a play list.
>
Just tried that, and now it all works fine except I can't seem to stop the
music once it's playing.

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[The Digital Pioneer]

No go. I tried grepping for just OSM though, here's what I got...

r...@om-gta02 [~] # cat .gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml | grep OSM
  OSM

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Carlo Minucci]

The Digital Pioneer ha scritto:
> I use OSM repo, yes. I removed that line, but now it just breaks on 
> another one (line 82). So still no go.

ok
open a shell into the phone e launch this

cat ~/.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml | grep "OSM|http"

and check if you receiver a row like this

r...@saponettofono:~# cat ~/.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml | grep 
"OSM|http"
 
OSM|http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png|/home/root/Maps/OSM|0
r...@saponettofono:~#

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Re: [debian] e17 from fso repos

Nikita V. Youshchenko schrieb:
>> Hi all,
>> I installed e17 from fso repos (i removed the manually installed package
>> I was using)... but right now I'm not able to run englightenment_start
>> at startup as i did before in my .xsessionrc file because of this error:
>> error while loading shared libraries: libevas.so.0: cannot open shared
>> object file: No such file or directory
>>
>> any hint is deeply welcome
>> 
>
> Mixing distrow is *always* a bad idea. That will lead to all sort of 
> breakges.
>
> In this case, Debian pkg-e team decided to change sonames of e libraries 
> because of unstable ABI.
>
> Pkg-fso repository currently has packages with changes sonames.
>
> I hope a working e17 will follow soon. Help is welcome on that :)
>
> P.S.
> You may try to symlink libevase-0.0.50a.so to libevas.so.0, and similar to 
> other libs, then you will no longer see that error. Instead your linker 
> will blindly use binary-incompatible libs, and application will crash 
> sooner or later. You have been warned.
>   
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Re: [n00b] Sound not working?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Friday 16 January 2009 17:43:41 schrieb arne anka:
> > Images of om7.2 seem to have disappeared; I really liked that UI (clean,
> > simple), does someone have a mirror?
>
> 2007.2 is discontinued. that means no updates, bugfixes whatsoever.
> one of the distributions attempts to revive at least the 2007.2 ui, not
> sure which -- shr?

SHR has moved further. Hackable1 attempts to revive 2007.2.

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Re: [n00b] Sound not working?

[arne anka]

> Images of om7.2 seem to have disappeared; I really liked that UI (clean,  
> simple), does someone have a mirror?

2007.2 is discontinued. that means no updates, bugfixes whatsoever.
one of the distributions attempts to revive at least the 2007.2 ui, not  
sure which -- shr?

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Re: [2008.12] Qwerty keyboard and wrench

naguz schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> Tried your patch now. It gives me the qwerty-"button" back, but it only
> toggles the qte-keyboard. Not the illume one. The wrench is till not there,
> so i have no way of changing it either.
> It should have been possible to define which keyboard to use via ssh. Life
> would bo so much easier then..
> Not related to ypur patch:
> I cannot get rastermans keyboard to work in hte illume-theme either. Only
> the default illume one. Yet I have tried every guide in every wiki (well,
> almost, anyway) to get rastermans keyboard working. I do not understand
> this.
>
> Running OM2008.12, installed all availible updates
>
>
> buergi wrote:
>   
>>> After using the neo for a while, again the qwerty keyboard disappears and
>>> I
>>> have to reboot to have it back.
>>>   
>> i've the same problem, but only sometimes, not very often.
>>
>> i've made a dirty patch package[1,2,3] for illume-theme-asu
>> (0.0+svnr4783-r7.04) a few days ago, it works great.
>> most of the time there is even no need to set
>> QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 anymore, but as you said i discovered that
>> sometimes qtopia takes over and suddenly illume's keyboard is gone and
>> the qtopia eyboard reapperars. after a
>> rm -fr ~/.e ; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
>> the illume keyboard is back again.
>> the reason is that illume sets kbd.use_internal=0 in illume.module.cfg,
>> no idea why.
>>
>> this patch also brings back the wrench, but the problem is that the
>> content of the subdialogs are shifted right, out of the visible area,
>> see the screenshot[4].
>> i've no idea why that happens, or how to fix it, does anyone have an idea?
>>
>> buergi
>>
>> [1]
>> http://pbuergi.pb.funpic.de/openmoko/pkgs/activate-illume-keyboard_0.1_armv4t.opk
>> [2]
>> http://pbuergi.pb.funpic.de/openmoko/pkgs/activate-illume-keyboard.tar.gz
>> [3] http://pbuergi.pb.funpic.de/openmoko/howtos/howto_illume_kbd.txt
>> [4] http://pbuergi.pb.funpic.de/openmoko/illume-cfg-dialog.jpg
>>
>> 

Sorry to warm it up again, but i was even looking into the fdom tarball 
and trying out the themes, but i didn't find anything useful.
the qwerty button is no problem, but the wrench is (as already said, the 
config dialogs are missing/outside of the screen).
did anyone suceed in building a theme that features a working wrench?
i don't know why i am suddenly so keen on this.

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Re: [ogsmd] Out-of-spec GSM number - who should I report to?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Friday 16 January 2009 16:58:10 schrieb g...@ergoarte.ch:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:54:36PM +0100, Michael Lauer wrote:
> > See #215, which I have just fixed in master.
>
> #215 in trac.freesmartphone.org is a suspend issue - I don't
> understand the relation to the ogmsd warning?

I was referring to your
>I'm not sure these are related. I get a forever ringing phone just by
>dailing it and cancelling the call just before or after the neo starts
>ringing/vibrating. Seems it doesn't receive/process the cancelation.

with a wrong bug number ;) I wanted to point to #205 instead.

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RE: [n00b] Sound not working?

[Darby, Robin]

Thank you Dylan, finally confirmed sound last night, woot!
Ended up flashing QT since it has a UI I can live with.
Images of om7.2 seem to have disappeared; I really liked that UI (clean, 
simple), does someone have a mirror?

Ty
  Robin...

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I think FDOM has mplayer in it. You can try running "mplayer [path to
media file]" from a terminal.

The command "alsamixer" (terminal again) will bring up all the audio
controls you can modify. If you are running this from the device
itself it can be hard to see. Regardless, Look to see if the
"Headphone" and "PCM" (first and either controls, respectively) are
very high. The volume does not scale logically on the openmoko and
anything less than 80% on each may be hard to hear.

Maybe your device thinks you have headphones plugged into it. If so,
so sound will come out of the built-in stereo speakers. Try the
command:
amixer -d sset "Amp Spk" unmute
to make sound from from them.

As far as I remember, the dialer programs do not make noise when you
press the buttons.

FDOM may have navit (a car navigational program) installed by default.
If so, it tends to steal your audio device and not give it back. Try
"killall speech-dispatcher" and then "/etc/init.d/xserver-nodm
restart" (the latter will restart the GUI). If that works, I can tell
you how to disable speech dispatcher by default.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Darby, Robin  wrote:
> Okay, forgive me if this is just really dumb; but usually when you use a 
> phone, pressing a number on the dialer (hardware numbers on the front or 
> software app. (i.e. iphone dialer)) will emit a dial tone corresponding 
> (according to some magical logic) to the number?
> I get no sound out of the thing whatsoever, not when I dial, not when it's 
> ringing (?) - nothing.
> I'm trying to ascertain if I've been sent a dud (i.e. the sound chip doesn't 
> work) or if it's just a software thing.
> Can someone tell me if there is a simple way to make the thing emit a noise 
> (any noise); or is there some daemon in the os which I need to start or 
> something?
>
> Thanks
>Robin...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org 
> [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of arne anka
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:53 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: [fdom] Re: [n00b] Sound not working?
>
>> I was assuming that using the dialer would emit noise.
>
> care to elaborate? what kind of noise?
> what happens if you call your voicebox?
>
>> Not using headphones, assuming the internal speakers should do something.
>> Don't think it's OS related since I couldn't get anything out of it
>> using the factory installed OM7.2 (?) either.
>
> are you sure, you're doing it right?
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Re: Freerunner corrupts dhcp forwarding of Linksys WRE54G wireless range extender

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Jan Vlug  writes:
> Resetting the WRE54G by unplugging it fixes this problem.
> I am surprised by this behavior because in theory, the WRE54G should
> only forward network packets...

Can you capture the network traffic to file and put it online
somewhere? It would be useful to see both the working and non-working
case.



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Re: About the BRLCAD files I have created some time ago ...

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Claus Christmann  writes:
> I am the guy "hosting" the CAD files at the fore-mentioned address.
> All I did in the beginning was to take the ProE files and transform them into 
> IGES and STEP files.

Any chance to get a PDF rendering of these? I fetched BRLCAD source
code and created a debian package but could not quite figure out how
to actually use it to view the CAD files :-)

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Re: Re: Car Charger?

[Jan Henkins]

I bought a generic iPod charger at a car accessory shop for about £2,
works like a charm. This specific one doesn't have a USB cable, but it
takes a normal FR cable. They probably overcharged me even at that
price-point...

On Fri, January 16, 2009 10:27, arne anka wrote:
>> This looks very good. Can anyone recommend anything similar available in
>> Germany?
>
> almost every cheap mobile shop or 99ct shop should have those available.



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Re: London pub meet

[Gothnet]

John-2 wrote:
> 
> Hi Jan, I added a couple of pubs to the wiki.
> 
> I really don't mind which location. If it became a regular meet it
> would be fun to try them all out! By coincidence I appear to have
> recommended two Samuel Smith's pubs which might not suit everyone. I
> will drink anything me :)
> 
> John.
> 
> 2009/1/16 Jan Henkins :
> [snip]
>> Hello John,
>>
>> On Fri, January 16, 2009 14:23, john wrote:
>> Please suggest a location. I find the BITE site an "Indispensable"
>> (c)(tm)
>> tool in cases like this:
>>
>> http://www.beerintheevening.com/
>>
> [snip]
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Not a big fan of their ale a couple of pints always has a strange effect
on the belly. I'll take a look at the wiki and maybe add one or two.
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Re: [ogsmd] Out-of-spec GSM number - who should I report to?

[gt]

Hi,

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:54:36PM +0100, Michael Lauer wrote:
> See #215, which I have just fixed in master.
> 

#215 in trac.freesmartphone.org is a suspend issue - I don't
understand the relation to the ogmsd warning?

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Re: London pub meet

[john]

Hi Jan, I added a couple of pubs to the wiki.

I really don't mind which location. If it became a regular meet it
would be fun to try them all out! By coincidence I appear to have
recommended two Samuel Smith's pubs which might not suit everyone. I
will drink anything me :)

John.

2009/1/16 Jan Henkins :
[snip]
> Hello John,
>
> On Fri, January 16, 2009 14:23, john wrote:
> Please suggest a location. I find the BITE site an "Indispensable" (c)(tm)
> tool in cases like this:
>
> http://www.beerintheevening.com/
>
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Re: [debian] e17 from fso repos

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

> Hi all,
> I installed e17 from fso repos (i removed the manually installed package
> I was using)... but right now I'm not able to run englightenment_start
> at startup as i did before in my .xsessionrc file because of this error:
> error while loading shared libraries: libevas.so.0: cannot open shared
> object file: No such file or directory
>
> any hint is deeply welcome

Mixing distrow is *always* a bad idea. That will lead to all sort of 
breakges.

In this case, Debian pkg-e team decided to change sonames of e libraries 
because of unstable ABI.

Pkg-fso repository currently has packages with changes sonames.

I hope a working e17 will follow soon. Help is welcome on that :)

P.S.
You may try to symlink libevase-0.0.50a.so to libevas.so.0, and similar to 
other libs, then you will no longer see that error. Instead your linker 
will blindly use binary-incompatible libs, and application will crash 
sooner or later. You have been warned.


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Re: London pub meet

[Jan Henkins]

Does anybody know of a pub with usable free WiFi access? That could be a
handy item.


On Fri, January 16, 2009 15:02, Jan Henkins wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, January 16, 2009 14:49, gnublade wrote:
>> As an alternative venue Simon Brunning of London Python fame offers up
>> the Old Bank of England on Fleet Street.  (he's got plenty of
>> experience organising these sorts of things).
>>
>> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/
>>
>> I'm happy with Jan's suggestion though, albeit being the far opposite
>> side of London from me.
>
> I'm very happy with this suggestion, haven't been in that neck of the
> woods yet, so view it as an opportunity to see something new. Looks
> stunning! Put it in the WIKI as evidence please!
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Re: [All] To build a better music player

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

Thank you Dylan for improving pythm -- few days ago I've set up original
version and was pleased to be able to listen to my mp3s from FR.
Now I will give a try to your mods as soon as I get some spare time

I guess it would be great if you expose your development a bit -- did
you start off from SVN checkout of original pythm? may be it is worth
creating a branch in pythm's SVN repository, or at least
publish your development elsewhere? Or may be Matthias would not mind
most of your changes, so they could get in the main line of pythm's
development?

few days ago (right after I've tried pythm) I've asked on pythm's forum
about future developments [1]. Matthias Hans (original author) seems to
be busy with other things, but Paul has expressed his desire to
collaborate and mentioned that he did already some changes of his own.

It would be great to unite the effort, but for that single point of
entry for the source is preferred I guess.

Keep on useful development!

[1] http://projects.openmoko.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=850&forum_id=669

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> The locale error is a red herring.

> I will try to devote some time this weekend to fixing the problem with
> ogg. I was short sighted when I added the ID3 tag reading and forgot
> to make it work with ogg too. If you are impatient, you can look in
> mplayerbackend.py and comment out the part that uses ID3 to read file
> details. It's in the function that loads files into a play list.
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Re: Is there an echo-free distro?

[Tha_Man]

Neil Jerram wrote:
> 
> 2009/1/15 Gabriel :
>> Hackable1 is echo free no ?
>>
>> (personnaly i have no echo)
> 
> I also have no echo with H1.
> 
>Neil
> 
What version of H1 are you using? The sound of my mic is bad with H1 rev2
and I can't seem to dial numbers starting with '+', but I'm not sure if the
echo is gone.

In 2008.12 the echo isn't gone for me too, but more annoying is the fact SMS
messages are only received after a reboot.
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Re: [All] To build a better music player

[Dylan Reilly]

The locale error is a red herring.

I will try to devote some time this weekend to fixing the problem with
ogg. I was short sighted when I added the ID3 tag reading and forgot
to make it work with ogg too. If you are impatient, you can look in
mplayerbackend.py and comment out the part that uses ID3 to read file
details. It's in the function that loads files into a play list.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM, The Digital Pioneer
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> OK, I installed python-pyalsaaudio and it seems the mplayer backend no
> longer crashes, but it complains that there's no locale or translation file.
> Also, my collection is OGG, which doesn't play. When I attempt to load a
> file, I see a line in the output saying "error executing:'ARTIST'". This
> makes it (still) impossible to play music. :(
>
> The line about the locales is:
>
> No Locale found, falling back! Error was:[Errno 2] No translation file found
> for domain: 'pythm'
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Re: Re: results of a survey maemo vs openmoko

[jeffrey . ratcliffe]

On Jan 16, 2009 4:23pm, Joseph Reeves  wrote:

If this was the case I'd rather they sent the questionnaire to the
entire mailing list and added the "are you an active mailing list
user?" question.


Or better still, just take the results from people who have posted.

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Re: [All] To build a better music player

[Dylan Reilly]

I looked around for an mpd package for arm for quite some time in the
past but turned up dry. Do you know of one? Since I use my freerunner
"on the go" it is not a useful option to connect to a remote mpd
server.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Stefan Monnier
 wrote:
>> 1) Improved responsiveness, especially with regard to starting the
>> next song in a play list.
>> 2) Lowered processing overhead during main update loop.
>> 3) Tweaked the GUI. Most notably, the buttons are larger.
>> 4) Read ID3 tag info at play list load time using python ID3 library.
>> 5) Optionally (default true) disable suspend through enlightenment
>> while song is playing. Change the no_suspend option in the [mplayer]
>> section of /etc/pythm.conf.
>> 6) Automatically pause playback when phone call received, resume on
>> hang-up. Only if running on FSO-based framework (not qtopia
>> phone-kit).
>> 7) Hook directly into alsa for setting/getting the volume.
>> 8) Tweaked nice levels for more consistent playback.
>
> I think issues 1 and 4 are fixed for free by using the MPD backend.
> I highly recommend it.  It probably affects 2 as well.
>
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Re: results of a survey maemo vs openmoko

[Joseph Reeves]

> They wanted to only let active members take part in the survey if I remember
> correctly. By sending the mail to the mailinglist they can't prevent non-
> active users not to participate.

If this was the case I'd rather they sent the questionnaire to the
entire mailing list and added the "are you an active mailing list
user?" question.

And look, I top quoted too ;)

Joseph



2009/1/16 Peter Nijs :
> They wanted to only let active members take part in the survey if I remember
> correctly. By sending the mail to the mailinglist they can't prevent non-
> active users not to participate.
>
> depeje
>
> On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:47:46 Joseph Reeves wrote:
>> Did anyone else ignore the original survey as unsolicited spam? I'd
>> have probably completed it if they'd sent a mail to the mailing list
>> asking people to take part, but sending it to individual users seemed
>> to be bad netiquette.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> 2009/1/15 Yorick Moko :
>> > http://public.smi.ethz.ch/files/MaemoOpenmoko/PublicDescriptiveStatistics
>> >.html
>> >
>> > it's also on the planet:
>> > http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/maemo-openmoko-community-survey-results-publi
>> >shed/
>> >
>> > thought people would find it interesting
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Re: results of a survey maemo vs openmoko

[arne anka]

> They wanted to only let active members take part in the survey if I  
> remember
> correctly. By sending the mail to the mailinglist they can't prevent non-
> active users not to participate.

i don't think so. the questions would be mostly nonsense if only "active  
members" (whatever the definition) are to be asked -- and the survey  
itself would not be really useful for scientific purposes.
moreover, the number of mails sent and the number of subscribers to the  
lists seem to be really close (do not have the numbers for the list handy,  
but they were posted last week or so).

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Tilman Baumann]

Tilman Baumann wrote:
> Carlo Minucci wrote:
>> Xavier Cremaschi ha scritto:
>>> Carlo Minucci a écrit :
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!

 i a simple interface for update the maps of tangogps
 it's optimized for low band usage
>>> Just a question : how can you check the remote file without dowloading 
>>> it before ? Do you use etag [1] to do that ?
>> yes
>> etag
>>
>> i check with this:
>>
>> curl -I http://tile.openstreetmap.org/$file | grep ETag | cut -d "\"" -f 2
>>
>> do you know a better way?
> 
> Doen't python have a http lib? Calling external apps is not really the 
> fastest and safest way.
> 

Untested code:

  import httplib
  conn = httplib.HTTPConnection("tile.openstreetmap.org")
  conn.request("HEAD", "/file...")
  r1 = conn.getresponse()
  print r1.status, r1.reason
  etag = getheader("ETag")
  print etag

And if stuff was new, make GET instead of HEAD



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Re: results of a survey maemo vs openmoko

[Peter Nijs]

They wanted to only let active members take part in the survey if I remember 
correctly. By sending the mail to the mailinglist they can't prevent non-
active users not to participate.

depeje

On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:47:46 Joseph Reeves wrote:
> Did anyone else ignore the original survey as unsolicited spam? I'd
> have probably completed it if they'd sent a mail to the mailing list
> asking people to take part, but sending it to individual users seemed
> to be bad netiquette.
>
> Joseph
>
> 2009/1/15 Yorick Moko :
> > http://public.smi.ethz.ch/files/MaemoOpenmoko/PublicDescriptiveStatistics
> >.html
> >
> > it's also on the planet:
> > http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/maemo-openmoko-community-survey-results-publi
> >shed/
> >
> > thought people would find it interesting
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Re: London pub meet

[Jan Henkins]

On Fri, January 16, 2009 14:49, gnublade wrote:
> As an alternative venue Simon Brunning of London Python fame offers up
> the Old Bank of England on Fleet Street.  (he's got plenty of
> experience organising these sorts of things).
>
> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/
>
> I'm happy with Jan's suggestion though, albeit being the far opposite
> side of London from me.

I'm very happy with this suggestion, haven't been in that neck of the
woods yet, so view it as an opportunity to see something new. Looks
stunning! Put it in the WIKI as evidence please!

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Re: London pub meet

[Jan Henkins]

Hello John,

On Fri, January 16, 2009 14:23, john wrote:
> I am up for a few beers and some moko action if I am free on that date
> (I will know soon).
>
> Re: the venue
>
> I don't mind the location but something more central might work better
> depending who wants to go of course! However, you do have first dibbs
> on location :)

Please suggest a location. I find the BITE site an "Indispensable" (c)(tm)
tool in cases like this:

http://www.beerintheevening.com/

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Tilman Baumann]

Carlo Minucci wrote:
> Xavier Cremaschi ha scritto:
>> Carlo Minucci a écrit :
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!
>>>
>>> i a simple interface for update the maps of tangogps
>>> it's optimized for low band usage
>> Just a question : how can you check the remote file without dowloading 
>> it before ? Do you use etag [1] to do that ?
> 
> yes
> etag
> 
> i check with this:
> 
> curl -I http://tile.openstreetmap.org/$file | grep ETag | cut -d "\"" -f 2
> 
> do you know a better way?

Doen't python have a http lib? Calling external apps is not really the 
fastest and safest way.

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Xavier Cremaschi]

> do you know a better way?

No it seems great, I just wanted to know ;)

Xavier. (will try the application)


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Re: London pub meet

[gnublade]

As an alternative venue Simon Brunning of London Python fame offers up
the Old Bank of England on Fleet Street.  (he's got plenty of
experience organising these sorts of things).

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/

I'm happy with Jan's suggestion though, albeit being the far opposite
side of London from me.

2009/1/16 john :
> I am up for a few beers and some moko action if I am free on that date
> (I will know soon).
>
> Re: the venue
>
> I don't mind the location but something more central might work better
> depending who wants to go of course! However, you do have first dibbs
> on location :)
>
> John.
>
> 2009/1/16 Jan Henkins :
> [snip]
>>
>> Depending on the number of people, if we are a small group (8 and less),
>> The Dove Inn in Hammersmith is a really nice place. Food is OK, placement
>> is fabulous (right on the Thames, see link below) and it's easy to get to.
>> However, it is small and popular, we might have to book. What I really
>> like about it, is that it has an enclosed area out the back looking on to
>> the Thames if somedbody quickly need to nip out for a "fix" (be it getting
>> a GPS or nicotine fix...).
>>
>> I will put this in the WIKI as a recommended venue.
>>
>> The Dove details:
>>
>> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/15/159/Dove_Inn/Hammersmith
>>
> [snip]
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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Carlo Minucci]

Xavier Cremaschi ha scritto:
> Carlo Minucci a écrit :
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!
>>
>> i a simple interface for update the maps of tangogps
>> it's optimized for low band usage
> 
> Just a question : how can you check the remote file without dowloading 
> it before ? Do you use etag [1] to do that ?

yes
etag

i check with this:

curl -I http://tile.openstreetmap.org/$file | grep ETag | cut -d "\"" -f 2

do you know a better way?

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[The Digital Pioneer]

I use OSM repo, yes. I removed that line, but now it just breaks on another
one (line 82). So still no go.

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Xavier Cremaschi]

Carlo Minucci a écrit :
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!
> 
> i a simple interface for update the maps of tangogps
> it's optimized for low band usage

Just a question : how can you check the remote file without dowloading 
it before ? Do you use etag [1] to do that ?

Xavier.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_ETag


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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Carlo Minucci]

The Digital Pioneer ha scritto:
> Getting the following output in SHR, with maps stored in ~/Maps
> 
> 40
> Unhandled exception in thread started by
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/yaouh.py", line 78, in up_progressbar
>   print "_" + dir + "_"
> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'dir' referenced before assignment

oh
you can delete this line, it's only for my debug

(sorry for my bad english)

you have check if in tangogps your repository is call "OSM"
my script (for now) search only "OSM" in the tangogps config file, and 
if there is another name can't find the right dir e generate this error

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Friday, January 16, 2009 a las 02:14:55PM +, Michael Sheldon 
escribió:

> arne anka wrote:
> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!
> > 
> > quite impressing a page ...
> 
>   If your mail client is like mine then it's not including the ! as part 
> of the URL and so you end up at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh 
> (blank page) instead of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!

One should use terminal/xterm based MUA, like Mutt (like I do) and avoid
those pretty coloured user interfaces which are trying to 'think' for you
and mostly doing that wrong :-)

sorry, could not resist

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Re: London pub meet

[john]

I am up for a few beers and some moko action if I am free on that date
(I will know soon).

Re: the venue

I don't mind the location but something more central might work better
depending who wants to go of course! However, you do have first dibbs
on location :)

John.

2009/1/16 Jan Henkins :
[snip]
>
> Depending on the number of people, if we are a small group (8 and less),
> The Dove Inn in Hammersmith is a really nice place. Food is OK, placement
> is fabulous (right on the Thames, see link below) and it's easy to get to.
> However, it is small and popular, we might have to book. What I really
> like about it, is that it has an enclosed area out the back looking on to
> the Thames if somedbody quickly need to nip out for a "fix" (be it getting
> a GPS or nicotine fix...).
>
> I will put this in the WIKI as a recommended venue.
>
> The Dove details:
>
> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/15/159/Dove_Inn/Hammersmith
>
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Re: London pub meet

[Gothnet]

Jan Henkins wrote:
> 
> 
> Opening shot:
> 
> Depending on the number of people, if we are a small group (8 and less),
> The Dove Inn in Hammersmith is a really nice place. Food is OK, placement
> is fabulous (right on the Thames, see link below) and it's easy to get to.
> However, it is small and popular, we might have to book. What I really
> like about it, is that it has an enclosed area out the back looking on to
> the Thames if somedbody quickly need to nip out for a "fix" (be it getting
> a GPS or nicotine fix...).
> 
> I will put this in the WIKI as a recommended venue.
> 
> The Dove details:
> 
> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/15/159/Dove_Inn/Hammersmith
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Jan Henkins
> 
> 
> 

I can do the 11th, and I'm not too fussy about venues as long as there's an
ale or two on tap :)

Hammersmith is fine.
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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[The Digital Pioneer]

Getting the following output in SHR, with maps stored in ~/Maps

40
Unhandled exception in thread started by
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/yaouh.py", line 78, in up_progressbar
  print "_" + dir + "_"
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'dir' referenced before assignment

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Re: [Freerunner] Access GPS chip's parameters and navigational models?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

If you're already working on FSO, you might consider enhancing our dbus 
interface to support different navigational models. You'll find that 
extending our UBX parser helps us more than using ubxgen ;)

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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Michael Sheldon]

arne anka wrote:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!
> 
> quite impressing a page ...

  If your mail client is like mine then it's not including the ! as part 
of the URL and so you end up at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh 
(blank page) instead of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!

  I've put in a redirect on the Yaouh page to avoid this problem in future.

  Cheers,
   Mike.


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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Sascha Gering]

arne anka wrote:
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!
> 
> quite impressing a page ...

try with "!" :)


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Re: Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[arne anka]

> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!

quite impressing a page ...

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Re: [Om2008.12] Dbus ? Frameworkd ? Headset ?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

No version of Openmoko 2008.x uses frameworkd. Please install FSO or SHR for 
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Yaouh! out (update for tangogps maps)

[Carlo Minucci]

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh!

i a simple interface for update the maps of tangogps
it's optimized for low band usage

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Re: About the BRLCAD files I have created some time ago ...

[Claus Christmann]

Please see inline and below...

On Friday 16 January 2009 04:54:41 Pander wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The download with the CAD file is a bit messy, I've a cleaned up
> version. To who can I send this for review and subsequent hosting on the
> downloads?
>
> Regards,
>
> Pander
>
> Lothar Behrens wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I wondered why there is no link to the BRLCAD files I have created and
> > then located at the following
> > page: http://controls.ae.gatech.edu/claus/web/openmoko.html
> >
> > I only found the page by searching the mailinglist about BRLCAD, but
> > this is because I KNOW about
> > the existence of these files.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be better to add a page with information more than only a
> > list of files generated by the browser ?
> >
> > http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/
> >
> > Then there could added more stuff like editing the files to create more
> > stuff. Should I, am I allowed to do so ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Lothar
> >
> > -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de
> > 
> > Lothar Behrens
> > Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2
> > 73252 Lenningen
> > 
>

Hi,

I am the guy "hosting" the CAD files at the fore-mentioned address.
All I did in the beginning was to take the ProE files and transform them into 
IGES and STEP files.

I asked on the email list how to proceed and was then contacted by Michael 
Shiloh . I then made the files publicly available on my 
site (at http://controls.ae.gatech.edu/claus/web/openmoko.html) and Michael 
moved the files from there to the http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ site.

I guess there is no need for me to be the "man in the middle", but I have the 
online space and can host the files there. If somebody has some more CAD files 
and wants to get them to me, just let me know in private. I could create a 
wiki page the points to my site, but I guess we should try to get Michael to 
transfer all the new files to http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/ as well

Comments?

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Re: [Freerunner] Access GPS chip's parameters and navigational models?

[macebre]

Am Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2009 18:18:26 schrieb Olivier Migeot:
> Hi ev'ryone,
>
> I'm currently experimenting things with the Antaris chip, and I'm
> starting to like it - at least through FSO and it's gpsd compatibility
> layer. I've been browsing through the UBX protocol specification, and
> I stumbled upon one interesting parameter : the dynamic platform model
> of the navigational unit.
>
> Simply put : using this, we should be able to explain our chip that we
> are either by car or by foot, and get more serious tracklogs
> (providing this is doable, 'cause the doc states "(SW Versions 3.04
> and higher)", so I'm not sure whether or not we qualify).
>
> I did some quick tests, using my work phone as a reference (an HTC
> Trinity with a Sirf chip) : when logging car trips, both tracks are
> pretty close. Like a few meters. Far better than what I expected, at
> least. But when logging pedestrian trips (and I do quite a few), the
> Antaris starts to behave like ... a car. Every steep turn I took is
> throughly rounded on the Neo-based log. So I guess the current setting
> of our chip is "car". So I wonder : does anyone here know whether we
> got "version 3.04 or higher" of the software?
>
> Hoping that we do (well, ignoring that maybe we don't, actually), I
> tried to feed the setting to the chip. The CFG-NAV2 UBX message that
> does that is 40 bytes long, and contains lt of more or less
> related information, which I certainly don't know how to feed. So I
> tried to first _get_ the setting, and re-set it verbatim (give or take
> the said parameter). But though there is a tool to generate UBX
> messages (ubxgen.py, on
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS ), I can't find a
> (successful) way to get the result from the chip. From my view, I
> should cat the commands to ttySAC1 and then read it. But I get nothing
> exciting that way...
Hi,

I looked up the 40 bytes long code with the "u-center 5.06" tool with all 
default values except the "dynamic platform model" (it's the 5th byte). 
01 stationary
02 pedestrian
03 automotive
04 sea
05 - 07 airborne

And then generated a binary code:

FR$ ubxgen.py 06 1A 28 00 03 00 00 00 03 04 10 02 50 C3 00 00 18 14 05 3C 00 
03 00 00 FA 00 FA 00 64 00 2C 01 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 6B 6D > CFG-NAV2-SET-AUTOMOTIVE.ubx

and

FR$ ubxgen.py 06 1A 28 00 02 00 00 00 03 04 10 02 50 C3 00 00 18 14 05 3C 00 
03 00 00 FA 00 FA 00 64 00 2C 01 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 6B 6D > CFG-NAV2-SET-PEDESTRIAN.ubx

then set it with 
cat CFG-NAV2-SET-PEDESTRIAN.ubx > /dev/ttySAC1

I've got also the problem that there is no feedback it's set on the chip. 
Now I will test if there is a difference in gps tracks between this to options.


>
> I guess I should shut down FSO's GPS handling first, but how? Is
> stopping fso-gpsd enough? (I tried, but it didn't seem better)
>
> Any insights, somebody? Thanks.



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Re: [FSO] Bluetooth Networking with DBUS API

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Friday 16 January 2009 10:04:22 schrieb Michael Tansella:
> Hi,
>
> Is there any howto for using FSO for SSH networking via Bluetooth. I know I
> have to use
>
> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
> /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/Bluetooth
> org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1
>
> to Power it on and
>
> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
> /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/Bluetooth
> org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable
>
> to enable the resource

The recommended way with the latest framework would be 

mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage 
org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy u"BT" u"enabled"

> But then I don't know how to continue. There are so many Methods and
> possibilities.

frameworkd is not creating its own bluetooth stack, we will recommend using 
the BlueZ dbus interface for everything that it offers -- eventually 
completemented with some higher level APIs for scenario handling and file 
sharing.

So, for the time being, please refer to the bluez dbus API docs.

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[debian] e17 from fso repos

[Davide Scaini]

Hi all,
I installed e17 from fso repos (i removed the manually installed package I
was using)... but right now I'm not able to run englightenment_start at
startup as i did before in my .xsessionrc file because of this error:
error while loading shared libraries: libevas.so.0: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory

any hint is deeply welcome
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Re: [FSO] Speed gps time to firxt fix up?

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Friday 16 January 2009 06:23:29 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
> Daniel Willmann wrote:
> > It actually does have memory, but lacks a backup battery which is
> > supposed to power the memory of the GPS while main power is off.
> > ogpsd already stores and restores almanac, GPS/UTC timeoffset and
> > approximate last position. It's not restoring ephemeris because I had
> > weird problems with that (TTFF increased to several minutes).
>
> Thanks for the information. How much do you think we could decrease the
> TTFF off, by restoring the ephemeris (in the right way, I guess)?
>
> I've not tried recent versions of the Framework with the GPS, how long
> does it take generally to get the fix, nowadays?

Around a minute here -- with disable restoring (due to the bug). Last time we 
enabled restoring in Taipei, we've seen TTFFs of 20-30s IIRC (Jan, Daniel?).

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Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display

[Davide Scaini]

i'm trying cellwriter on my debian...
- do you know a way to start it on e17 no in "fullscreen" mode?
I tried to pack qwo (deb) with no success right now... hope to have news
soon.
d


On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:22 PM, arne anka  wrote:

> there's rosetta
> > http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/
> and i managed to compile it and install on my debian/fso.
> but so far i had not much time to test it (wasn't that convincing the
> first tries), and anyway it seems pretty much abandoned.
>
> another attempt is cellwriter
> > http://risujin.org/cellwriter
> which at least is in debian -- i totally forgot about this until now, have
> to try it come weekend.
>
> both are not really like graffiti, which best part was the standardized
> shapes instead of complex learning and recognizing algorithm for every
> single hand.
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Re: FSO unstable upgrade errors alsa-states and initscripts-openmoko

[qhaz]

Al Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Thursday 15 January 2009, qhaz wrote:
>> From this site images have been posted on a fairly regular basis.  For
>> example, the current kernel image is
>> uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r2-om-gta02.
>>bin which appeared on Jan 13th.
>> The latest rootfs image is . . .
>> openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090115-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
>> which was appeared on Jan 15th.
>>
>> I cannot boot from any rootfs from this site after their Jan 8th rootfs.
>> My FR stalls during startup before any X stuff is loaded.  The last
>> message
>> I see before it stalls says . . .
>> Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd comptibility daemon: (OK)
>>
>> Then just hangs there . . .
> 
> It isn't actually hung - the last init script has run, there is no X in
> those 
> images to start, so you are just seeing the last console output. I don't
> know 
> if this is intentional, but it may be part of a cleanup in preparation for 
> Milestone 5. It is a nightly build from the unstable branch after all ;0)
> 
>> Can you recommend any other source where I can try an FSO install?
> 
> Use the Milestone 4.1 image for something known to mostly work. Nightly
> builds 
> are pot luck - some are rather good, but not all.
> 
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Hi Al, thanks for your comments too.  You are right, and I understand this
is all testing . . . but hey it's fun in the meantime.  Like you say,
Milestone 4.1 is a good backstop and the transition phase is just plain fun.

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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Fernando Martins]

Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> I will suggest to install Zhone, disable autostarting with X and use
> it's GPS panel to debugging. It's really good...
>
>   
When I tried FSO (a recent image a week ago or so), zhone was 
systematically crashing, not to mention the annoying pincode keyboard. 
I'm a bit concerned about messing with my phone calls functionality. I'm 
happy to play with GPS, but I want the phone comm to just work.

"disable autostarting with X" is a zhone UI option or some config file option?


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Re: London pub meet

[Jan Henkins]

Hello gnublade,

On Fri, January 16, 2009 12:41, gnublade wrote:
> Not sure that wiki page is the best place to organise a meetup, as it
> doesn't give notifications.  How about we just arrange it in this
> thread?  If anyone objects we can set up our own list.

Fair enough, but it's still a good place for now to jot down notes and the
like. I also have a server and can donate CPU/bandwidth for a list. Don't
know why people would object, since this is hardly off-topic.

> I suggest 11th Feb.  That's (roughly) 2 weeks after the Cambridge meet
> so they won't clash and anyone that's interested can go to both, it's
> mid week as well so I'll be more able to make it ;)

OK, that a good suggestion, it's nice and safe date.

> Location: TBD, anyone suggest a good, quiet, central pub?

Opening shot:

Depending on the number of people, if we are a small group (8 and less),
The Dove Inn in Hammersmith is a really nice place. Food is OK, placement
is fabulous (right on the Thames, see link below) and it's easy to get to.
However, it is small and popular, we might have to book. What I really
like about it, is that it has an enclosed area out the back looking on to
the Thames if somedbody quickly need to nip out for a "fix" (be it getting
a GPS or nicotine fix...).

I will put this in the WIKI as a recommended venue.

The Dove details:

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/15/159/Dove_Inn/Hammersmith


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Re: shr- GPS howto?

[Fernando Martins]

Thanks Hemantha,
I could not yet come back to GPS testing but I'll try it.
Cheers,
Fernando

Hemantha Holla M wrote:
>
>
> On 14/01/2009, *Fernando Martins*  > wrote:
>
> so something with the device is not working. Also, TangoGPS tells
> me "no
> GPS found".
>
>
> Probably unrelated, but on Om2008.*, I saw this TangoGPS complaint 
> quite often ; this was because somehow 'lo' interface was down and was 
> solved by '/etc/init.d/networking restart'
>
> Hemantha
>
> Any further suggestions from here?
>
> Regards,
>
> Fernando
>
>
> Michael Sheldon wrote:
> > You can test fso-gpsd by running "telnet localhost 2947" then
> typing "r"
> > and pressing return. You should the receive GPS data.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >   Mike.
> >
> > Fernando Martins wrote:
> >
> >> Actually I just thought I had to start manually fso-gpsd
> (that's what's
> >> on the shr wiki page) but as a matter of fact I checked now
> that it is
> >> being actually started at boot time. I'm now trying to figure
> out how to
> >> check whether gps is on/off and how to control it.
> >>
> >> Thomas des Courières wrote:
> >>
> >>> did you
> try  http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2104833 ?
> >>>
> >>> 2009/1/13 Timo Juhani Lindfors  
> >>> >>
> >>>
> >>> Fernando Martins  
> >>>  >> writes:
> >>> > receiving no coords. What can I do to test GSP services?
> >>>
> >>> 1) is the GPS chip powered on?
> >>> 2) is there a process that has the serial port for GPS open?
> >>> 3) is that reading any data?
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Re: London pub meet

[gnublade]

Not sure that wiki page is the best place to organise a meetup, as it
doesn't give notifications.  How about we just arrange it in this
thread?  If anyone objects we can set up our own list.

I suggest 11th Feb.  That's (roughly) 2 weeks after the Cambridge meet
so they won't clash and anyone that's interested can go to both, it's
mid week as well so I'll be more able to make it ;)

Location: TBD, anyone suggest a good, quiet, central pub?

2009/1/16 Jan Henkins :
> Hello all,
>
> If Cambridge can have a pub meet, why not London? :-) If you feel like it,
> let's discuss here:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Openmoko_Local_Groups:_London
>
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Re: [Om2008.12] Remove Install Bar

[Gothnet]

boilersoup wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:02:28 +1300
> "Robin Paulson"  wrote:
> 
>> personally, i think the asu theme (the stock one installed on the
>> freerunner) blows, and you'd be best off switching it for something
>> ore useful - there are plenty around on the web. the illume one,
>> included on the phone, doesn't have that bar in, and does include the
>> decent keyboard, and the wrench for further config of illume
> 
> 
> Hi Robin,
> 
> I like the asu theme and I'm comfortable with decompiling and recreating
> the edc / edj files.
> 
> I already knew all the web references you gave me
> but I'm still unable to locate where the "Install Bar" is declared.
> 
> Any clue ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> 

I did this previously by going through all the resources, one by one,
disabling them and then recompiling the theme. It took a couple of hours but
it worked. Whichever file you use to tell the theme to set a background
image, it's in there somewhere.

Of course, since then I've reflashed the phone several times and never did
note down what I'd done. D'oh.
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London pub meet

[Jan Henkins]

Hello all,

If Cambridge can have a pub meet, why not London? :-) If you feel like it,
let's discuss here:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Openmoko_Local_Groups:_London

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Re: Pub meet: Cambridge, UK, 30.1.2009

[Juergen Schinker]

> 
> London is good for me too (as well as Cambridge), date/time permitting.

London is it!

juergen


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