Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[kimaidou]

Thanks a lot for your comments . It is my first bash script, so I have a lot
to learn. I will integrate thoses changes !

2009/2/21 Charles-Henri Gros

>

> kimaidou wrote:
> > I am answering myself here : I found the solution :you have to add a "&"
> > at the end of the arecord line
> > So the file content is now :
> >
> > #!/bin/bash
> > zenity --question --title="Voice-note" --text="Click Validate to START
> > recording"; gostart=$?
> >
> > if [ "$gostart" = 1 ]
> > then
> > echo "Operation canceled"
> > exit
> > else
> > echo "Recording..."
> > fi
> > arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav &
> > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore &
>
> This line should not end with '&' and should probably come before the
> "arecord" line
>
> > zenity --info --title="Voice-note" --text="Click Validate to STOP
> > recording"; gostop=$?
> >
> > killall -TERM arecord
>
> You should use "kill %1" instead, this will only kill the instance you
> just started (and TERM is the default). For that, you need to enable job
> control (set -m)
>
> > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore
> > zenity --info --title="Voice note" --text="Your voice-note has been
> > recorded"; goread=$?
> >
> > #END OF FILE
>
> Result:
>
> #!/bin/bash
> # Exit on error
> # Enable job control
> set -em
> zenity --question --title="Voice-note" --text="Click Validate to START
> recording"; gostart=$?
>
> if [ "$gostart" = 1 ]
>then
>echo "Operation canceled"
>exit 1
>else
>echo "Recording..."
> fi
> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore
> arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav &
> zenity --info --title="Voice-note" --text="Click Validate to STOP
> recording"
>
> # Kill arecord
> kill %1
> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore
> zenity --info --title="Voice note" --text="Your voice-note has been
> recorded"
>
> #END OF FILE
>
>
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Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend

[c_c]

Hi,

Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
> If you use the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the same
> as what
> you see with your mplayer+intone).
> The other advantage of MPD is that you can control it from anywhere .
> 
  Sure. :-) I haven't used MPD. But I'm more looking at using the phone as a
standalone music player (while travelling etc).
  I have no intentions of belittling pythm or any other player (who all
probably fit somewhere in the app landscape). Just looking for a different
solution to a similar prob. Hence the reference.
 
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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[Charles-Henri Gros]

kimaidou wrote:
> I am answering myself here : I found the solution :you have to add a "&"
> at the end of the arecord line
> So the file content is now :
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> zenity --question --title="Voice-note" --text="Click Validate to START
> recording"; gostart=$?
> 
> if [ "$gostart" = 1 ]
> then
> echo "Operation canceled"
> exit
> else
> echo "Recording..."
> fi
> arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav &
> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore &

This line should not end with '&' and should probably come before the
"arecord" line

> zenity --info --title="Voice-note" --text="Click Validate to STOP
> recording"; gostop=$?
> 
> killall -TERM arecord

You should use "kill %1" instead, this will only kill the instance you
just started (and TERM is the default). For that, you need to enable job
control (set -m)

> alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore
> zenity --info --title="Voice note" --text="Your voice-note has been
> recorded"; goread=$?
> 
> #END OF FILE

Result:

#!/bin/bash
# Exit on error
# Enable job control
set -em
zenity --question --title="Voice-note" --text="Click Validate to START
recording"; gostart=$?

if [ "$gostart" = 1 ]
then
echo "Operation canceled"
exit 1
else
echo "Recording..."
fi
alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore
arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav &
zenity --info --title="Voice-note" --text="Click Validate to STOP recording"

# Kill arecord
kill %1
alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore
zenity --info --title="Voice note" --text="Your voice-note has been
recorded"

#END OF FILE


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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Adam Jimerson]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson <
mokowa...@projektenterprises.com> wrote:

> Adam Jimerson wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Adam Jimerson wrote:
> > > I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to
> > flash it
> > > with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the
> > > images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed),
> > > according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not
> set
> > > up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working
> > with it.
> > > The "dfu-util -l" only sees it half the time and when I try to
> > backup
> > > the Kernel with "dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img" the
> > > freerunner just times out.  The host that I am using is openSUSE
> > 11.1.
> > >
> >
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> hopefully someone else will have more info then, other than not using
> root priv or equivalent I'm out of ideas, all I've seen issues with is
> having multiple DFU capable devices but that doesn't sound like the
> problem either.
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Apon further investigation I seems like I have 2008.xx installed my screen
looks like this http://openmoko.com/download.html, but the settings app does
not load, the loading screen comes up but nothing lanches so I can't
configure it to my wifi and I can't seem to find terminal if it is installed
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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Shawn "Trash" Thompson]

Adam Jimerson wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson 
>  > wrote:
>
> Adam Jimerson wrote:
> > I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to
> flash it
> > with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the
> > images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed),
> > according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set
> > up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working
> with it.
> > The "dfu-util -l" only sees it half the time and when I try to
> backup
> > the Kernel with "dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img" the
> > freerunner just times out.  The host that I am using is openSUSE
> 11.1.
> >
> 
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hopefully someone else will have more info then, other than not using 
root priv or equivalent I'm out of ideas, all I've seen issues with is 
having multiple DFU capable devices but that doesn't sound like the 
problem either.

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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Adam Jimerson]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson <
mokowa...@projektenterprises.com> wrote:

> Adam Jimerson wrote:
> > I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to flash it
> > with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the
> > images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed),
> > according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set
> > up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working with it.
> > The "dfu-util -l" only sees it half the time and when I try to backup
> > the Kernel with "dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img" the
> > freerunner just times out.  The host that I am using is openSUSE 11.1.
> > 
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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Shawn "Trash" Thompson]

Adam Jimerson wrote:
> I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to flash it 
> with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the 
> images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed),  
> according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set 
> up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working with it.  
> The "dfu-util -l" only sees it half the time and when I try to backup 
> the Kernel with "dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img" the 
> freerunner just times out.  The host that I am using is openSUSE 11.1.
> 
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  Are you using the super-user account?
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Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Adam Jimerson]

I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to flash it with
OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the images on the
wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed),  according to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set up a usb0 connection
but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working with it.  The "dfu-util -l" only
sees it half the time and when I try to backup the Kernel with "dfu-util -a
kernel -R -U good-kernel.img" the freerunner just times out.  The host that
I am using is openSUSE 11.1.
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Re: Neo 1973 For Sale

[Kevin Dean]

Thanks for the patience. :) This is a GTA01Bv4. It was a unit sold
during the 1973's public sale.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Kevin Dean  wrote:
> That's a great question. :P I'll check when I get home tonight and post here.
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Angus Ainslie  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Which board revision is it ?
>>
>> Angus
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Re: latest qt extended?

[HouYu Li]

You could find a latest 2.6.24 kernel in the openmoko daily build from
downloads.openmoko.org. QTextended works with these 2.6.24 kernels and
there's no WSOD problem.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Glen Ogilvie wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is the any qt extended release that has been updated recently?  I.e, this
> year?
>
> I am looking for one with the echo and WSOD fixes in it.
>
> Regards
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libasound2 upgrade error

[Glen Ogilvie]

Hi,

Does anyone else get this error, or know how to solve it.  I am running 
om-2008.12

I do an opkg update, then 

r...@om-gta02:~# opkg upgrade
Multiple packages (libasound2 and libasound2) providing same name marked HOLD 
or PREFER.  Using latest.
Multiple packages (libasound2 and libasound2) providing same name marked HOLD 
or PREFER.  Using latest.
Upgrading libasound2 on root from 1.0.15-r1 to 1.0.17-r0.1...
Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Package libasound2 (parent libasound2) is not available from any 
configured src.
 * Failed to download libasound2. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'?


I have these sources configued:

r...@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/opkg/*
src/gz daily-Multiverse http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse
src/gz om-dev-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all
arch all 1
arch any 6
arch noarch 11
arch arm 16
arch armv4t 21
arch om-gta02 26
src/gz om-dev-armv4t http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t
src/gz om-dev-om-gta02 
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02

Regards
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latest qt extended?

[Glen Ogilvie]

Hi,

Is the any qt extended release that has been updated recently?  I.e, this 
year?

I am looking for one with the echo and WSOD fixes in it.

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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Daniel.Li]

Thanks.
Well, I'm looking for this for a while. :)

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:23 +, and...@howlett.net wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
> experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
> details:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK
> 
> later,
> andrew. 
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

FYI: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/StandbyLifetime
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Re: new web browser for Freerunner: Netsurf - check it out

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Freitag, den 20.02.2009, 23:29 +0200 schrieb Aapo Rantalainen:
> I compiled and packed another web browser: netsurf (see:
> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ )

thanks for the pointer. It’s packaged for Debian:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/netsurf
So if you are running Debian, you can check it out easily!

Greetings,
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Re: Paroli Testing (Was: Community Updates/February 20, 2009 released)

[Mirko Lindner]

Hi,

Scott Petersen wrote:
> No need to wait.  I have been using Paroli as my daily phone software on
> FSO MS5 for almost 2 weeks. It has been extremely stable. A bunch of
> functionality is not there yet but the one basic thing that has "just
> worked" is as a phone. Dialing works, answering works, ringing works.

Great news! Thanks for sharing. Am more an sms guy myself so am trying 
to get that up and running right now. mind you it kinda works already, 
but I some nifty details are still missing.

> I was updating from GIT daily until a couple of days ago when the package
> in unstable became available.  I checked last night and the most recent
> package was up to the very last commit in GIT so that synchronization is
> working well.

Thanks to Angus again who has been very patient ;)

> 
>> And again if anyone is interested in helping out with paroli, contribute
>> code or test or or or ... Let us know!
> 
> I am interested in helping out with the project initially as a tester but
> with code in the future as I figure this is a good excuse to learn python.
> I haven't to date as there was nothing approachable or interesting enough.

I hope we can fill that void, let me now if you have questions and/or 
ideas. mirko-paroli on irc.

> 
> The first thing I want to look at is the scrolling of contacts and
> messages. Currently, trying to capture the thumb on the scroll bar is
> exceedingly tedious. It will likely take me a couple of weeks to get
> productive as I fit this in with the rest of my work and life.

The scrolling issue comes from a bug in efl ... not sure if it is only 
the python-bindings but my feeling is it is efl itself, but I couldn't 
pin it down yet. We are going to play with the efl revision a bit next week.

Thanks again and please keep us updated :)

/mirko

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Paroli Testing (Was: Community Updates/February 20, 2009 released)

[Scott Petersen]

On Fri, February 20, 2009 05:32, Mirko Lindner wrote:
> - keep on fixing issues in MS2
> - continue working towards MS3
> - get the kbd to match paroli on the image
> - get messaging and contacts up and running as soon as possible to allow
> brave testers to use paroli daily ... any volunteers ? ;)

No need to wait.  I have been using Paroli as my daily phone software on
FSO MS5 for almost 2 weeks. It has been extremely stable. A bunch of
functionality is not there yet but the one basic thing that has "just
worked" is as a phone. Dialing works, answering works, ringing works.

I was updating from GIT daily until a couple of days ago when the package
in unstable became available.  I checked last night and the most recent
package was up to the very last commit in GIT so that synchronization is
working well.

> And again if anyone is interested in helping out with paroli, contribute
> code or test or or or ... Let us know!

I am interested in helping out with the project initially as a tester but
with code in the future as I figure this is a good excuse to learn python.
I haven't to date as there was nothing approachable or interesting enough.

The first thing I want to look at is the scrolling of contacts and
messages. Currently, trying to capture the thumb on the scroll bar is
exceedingly tedious. It will likely take me a couple of weeks to get
productive as I fit this in with the rest of my work and life.

Cheers
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new web browser for Freerunner: Netsurf - check it out

[Aapo Rantalainen]

I compiled and packed another web browser: netsurf (see:
http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ )

It is under heavy development and Openmoko version is almost vanilla,
just fixed couple of library weirdness.

Some users have reported problems with clicking links.

I will put it in opkg.org when I get enough feedback doest it work.

You need
opkg install librsvg-2-2
opkg install 
http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/netsurf/lcms_1.15-r0_armv4t.opk
opkg install 
http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/netsurf/netsurf_1.2-r0.1_armv4t.opk


See manual and about compiling:
http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/netsurf/READ.txt

-Aapo Rantalainen

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Re: (Qi) Qi or bust?

[Sander]

Hi Paul,

Paul wrote (ao):
> Okay. I give up. How does one put Qi on a FR and make it do something
> other than spout errors?

Go to http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/
Or your favourite image repository.

Download:

qi: qi-s3c2442-...
kernel: uImage-2.6.28...
image:  fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2

Boot into NOR and connect USB. Then run these commands:

dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c2442-...
dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-2.6.28...
dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2

Reboot.

That should do it.

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Re: (Qi) Qi or bust?

[Paul]

>> Now when I boot the FR, I keep seeing a set of errors that keep 
>> repeating. Most of them state that Magic  not found ???  (too small 
>> and too fast to read properly).
>> 
> Oh... wait... I see the readme only now... it also needs a kernel 
> image... 
> Will put kernel on and see what happens.
>   

Okay. I give up. How does one put Qi on a FR and make it do something 
other than spout errors?

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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Onen]

see comments inline...

Thomas Landspurg wrote:
> 
> 
  > - OpenCellID can also store signal strengh. But one of the issue, is
> heterogenity between datas. Some client don't have this information, and 
> this create some additional complexity. That's why this information is 
> for now only stored but not yet used. And in all was, if you want it, 
> it's in the measure table, and not in the cell table.
> 

We thought about this. We also store the phone model, in order to 
possibly be able to use some data of known "good" phones, or simply the 
data of the same model as yours, etc...

> 
> Good to see there is no client for openmoko, otherwise I may have worked
> for nothing ;-)
> 
> 
>  Yes, I've heard that other where working on such client too!

Are the people behind CellHunter following this thread? Please jump in 
if so.

> 
> As there are also plans on embedding the database on the phone, and
> using it to locate, I would like to know if this part would interest
> you? Or only the server side and upload?
> 
> 
> The idea is to provide all the means to do so. So if there is anything 
> that is needed to help you to do this, I would be happy to provide it. 
> For instance, a way to send an area and get the list of cells in that 
> area. I amalready working on such  functionality.

Great!

>   But the switch to from OpenBMap to OpenCellID should be quite fast as 
> I assume that the API is probably the same, or very close to. ( 
> http://www.opencellid.org/api )
>  

For my part, the logging client, it can be easily adapted to feed other 
databases. For the location part, Nick knows this better than me.

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Re: Neo 1973 For Sale

[Kevin Dean]

That's a great question. :P I'll check when I get home tonight and post here.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Angus Ainslie  wrote:
>
>
> Which board revision is it ?
>
> Angus
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Re: Neo 1973 For Sale

[Angus Ainslie]

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:20 -0500, Kevin Dean wrote:
> Hey guys.
> 
> I'm selling a Neo1973 on eBay and thought some people here might be
> interested in snagging it up.
> 
> The listing can be found at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270347654193
> 
> It says "US, Canada and Europe" but I'm actually willing to ship
> anywhere in the world. Please see the listing for more info and if
> there are any questions feel free to ask either here or on eBay.
> Thanks.
> 
> -Kevin Dean


Which board revision is it ?

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Neo 1973 For Sale

[Kevin Dean]

Hey guys.

I'm selling a Neo1973 on eBay and thought some people here might be
interested in snagging it up.

The listing can be found at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270347654193

It says "US, Canada and Europe" but I'm actually willing to ship
anywhere in the world. Please see the listing for more info and if
there are any questions feel free to ask either here or on eBay.
Thanks.

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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Nick]

Thomas,

After trying to reach you a few times last year,
i am really glad to have some news from you now.

I am reponsible for the openBmap website. And yes, it would be a great 
thing to merge our projects !

The number of logs you have is very impressive ! well done !

My concern would be about the quality of your data .

you still mention on the front page

"Note:If you want a professional CellID Database, I suggest you to go to 
Navizon
who provides top services and databases."

what do you mean ?

and after importing 800 000 of your gps points in january, I see that 
for instance
gps speed,  gps hdop, gps pdop, gps vdop are not available
 (at least at the begining of this huge measures.txt file !),

A bad pdop, vdop, hdop and i am positioned at 1 km from my real position ...
What if i am in a high speed train at 300 km/h? or in plane ? (yes, it 
can work in planes...)


In my opinion, considering the following services

*** asisted gps
*** "cell id" to google "my position" kind of service
*** "cell id" to "town name" service

 the real questions are:
what precision do we need for openmoko location service through gsm cell 
id ?
what precision our possibly merged database would provide ?


what do you think about the above considerations ?

really glad to hear from you !

regards,
Nick

Thomas Landspurg a écrit :
>
>
> 2009/2/20 Onen http://onen.om>@free.fr >
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Thomas Landspurg wrote:
> >
> >   Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out).
> >
> >   I am behind the opencellid.org 
>  project, and it
> > seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the
> mailing
> > list.
> >
>
> Last month, and today, indeed.
>
>
> Yes, I've get to it today! It's a pity not to have been notified of 
> such discussion before. I've been through them, and I want to add some 
> clarification about difference between database:
>
> - OpenCellID can also store signal strengh. But one of the issue, is 
> heterogenity between datas. Some client don't have this information, 
> and this create some additional complexity. That's why this 
> information is for now only stored but not yet used. And in all was, 
> if you want it, it's in the measure table, and not in the cell table.
>
> - About the barycenter of the area/instead of barycenter: it's not 
> always the best way to do it, as it give more value to false datas. 
> while the "simple" barycenter reduce these. Another option would be to 
> exclude data that would be completely "out of range"
>
>  And more "general" information about the databse: more than 500 
> developers have registered to get an API key. Obvisouly not 500 
> application are out, but show the interest of the community
>
>
>
>
> >   So let me clarifiy:
> >
> > - As described in the web site, the license is under creative common
> > share alike 3.0. I had several request today stating that just
> linking
> > to the license was not clear enough, so I will re-clarify it on
> the web
> > site, but also in this list.
> >
>
> Last time I checked (and other people, see the post I pointed out
> earlier today), it was not clear. But today, as people had a look
> again,
> it seems to me pretty clear :-)
>
>
> Last time, it was written under creative common license, with a link 
> to the creative common share alike license. I am sorry if this was not 
> clear enough, but as you see, a simple mail is enough to get it corrected.
>
>  
>
>
> > - I am surprised to see statment that I did not answer to some
> > questions. I've verified,and all openmoko request have been
> answered. I
> > am not perfect, and may be some emails have been missed, but a
> search on
> > openmoko on my mail box did not raise any pending question.
> >
>
> Not sure what you mean by openmoko request... When I stated that
> neither
> us nor openmoko did get an answer, I should have written: "If I recall
> correclty openmoko tried to reach opencellid, but I have not heard of
> any response. We tried to contact opencellid, but got no response." I
> personally have not tried to reach you. But Nick yes, without answer,
> for what I have understood.
>
>
>Would be curious to have his email just to check. I am quite sure 
> I've answered to all demands like this.
>
>
> > There is more than 100 000 cells covered, with 5.5 millions of
> > measure, and more cells will be "donated" soon. We expect to
> reach 200
> > 000 cells in the coming weeks thanks to a new project donation.
> There is
> > also more than 10 different clients (windows mobile, symbian,
> > blackberry, j2me,...) gathering the database.
> >
>
> Is there different countries?
>
>
> Yes, the stats page show all countries:
>
> http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats
>  
>
>
> Good to see the

Re: (Qi) Qi or bust?

[Paul]

Paul wrote:
> Now when I boot the FR, I keep seeing a set of errors that keep 
> repeating. Most of them state that Magic  not found ???  (too small 
> and too fast to read properly).
>   

Oh... wait... I see the readme only now... it also needs a kernel 
image... 
Will put kernel on and see what happens.

Paul

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Re: [Query] Known Good SD cards

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/2/19 Michal Brzozowski 

> 2009/2/19 Paul Fertser 
>
>> Michal Brzozowski  writes:
>> > Michal Brzozowski  writes:
>> > > Do you need ones that can boot or just for storage?
>> >
>> > Do you really have a card that doesn't work with Qi and yet
>> > works ok with the kernel?
>> >
>> > Yes, Kingston 4gb SDHC.
>>
>> Have you tried any Qi version after the new year? Any chance you can
>> get a dboard or send this card to someone who has one?
>>
>
>
> No, I tried booting Hackable from it around Christmas and had IO errors.
>
> I can try again, but if Qi got fixed and SDHC cards are now reported to
> work, then probably there is no issue. Good to know, btw.
>

Update: I also got IO errors recently when it was mounted with 2.6.24
kernel.
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Re: [Query] Known Good SD cards

[Martin Bernreuther]

Hello,

Am Freitag, 20. Februar 2009 schrieb Alex Fitzpatrick:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards

I bought a microSD-card together with the FR
(http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?openmoko.htm)
and this Kingston 8GB model seems to be supported
looking at the given page.
In contrast to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card
I have 4 partitions on this SD-card at the moment:
A small one (vfat) for the kernel, a rootfs partion and a kind of 
"home"-partition,
where I keep personal data (both ext3) and a swap partition (which is probably 
not needed).
Still I determine a strange behaviour running distributions
from this card and also for data from this card used by my
everyday-distribution (QtExtended) on the FR.
Files seem to get broken after a while or temporarly can't be read.
This might be due to the used uboot (from Om2008.12 for gta02v5_and_up)
or kernel 
(http://moko.mwester.net/download/uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin
and several ones on the card) or something else. The question is

How do you determine, if a card is supported?
What is the procedure? What are the tests/benchmarks used?

Looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards again,
it's not clear to me, how these results were obtained (green/red status). Is it 
like
"This card seems to work, because I haven't noticed any problems the last 
days"...

What about the bootloader?
The table only lists u-boot. What about Qi (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi),
which was announced as u-boot successor? Is it advisable to move to Qi?

Thanks, 
Martin
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(Qi) Qi or bust?

[Paul]

I flashed Qi on my Freerunner.

I used qi-s3c2442-master-hist_1665e43677c005a8.udfu and the command

dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c2442-master-hist_1665e43677c005a8.udfu as I 
found on the wiki.

Now when I boot the FR, I keep seeing a set of errors that keep 
repeating. Most of them state that Magic  not found ???  (too small 
and too fast to read properly).

Help? Or something?

Paul

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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Thomas Landspurg]

2009/2/20 Onen 

> Hi Thomas,
>
> Thomas Landspurg wrote:
> >
> >   Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out).
> >
> >   I am behind the opencellid.org  project, and it
> > seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the mailing
> > list.
> >
>
> Last month, and today, indeed.


Yes, I've get to it today! It's a pity not to have been notified of such
discussion before. I've been through them, and I want to add some
clarification about difference between database:

- OpenCellID can also store signal strengh. But one of the issue, is
heterogenity between datas. Some client don't have this information, and
this create some additional complexity. That's why this information is for
now only stored but not yet used. And in all was, if you want it, it's in
the measure table, and not in the cell table.

- About the barycenter of the area/instead of barycenter: it's not always
the best way to do it, as it give more value to false datas. while the
"simple" barycenter reduce these. Another option would be to exclude data
that would be completely "out of range"

 And more "general" information about the databse: more than 500 developers
have registered to get an API key. Obvisouly not 500 application are out,
but show the interest of the community



>
> >   So let me clarifiy:
> >
> > - As described in the web site, the license is under creative common
> > share alike 3.0. I had several request today stating that just linking
> > to the license was not clear enough, so I will re-clarify it on the web
> > site, but also in this list.
> >
>
> Last time I checked (and other people, see the post I pointed out
> earlier today), it was not clear. But today, as people had a look again,
> it seems to me pretty clear :-)
>

Last time, it was written under creative common license, with a link to the
creative common share alike license. I am sorry if this was not clear
enough, but as you see, a simple mail is enough to get it corrected.



>
> > - I am surprised to see statment that I did not answer to some
> > questions. I've verified,and all openmoko request have been answered. I
> > am not perfect, and may be some emails have been missed, but a search on
> > openmoko on my mail box did not raise any pending question.
> >
>
> Not sure what you mean by openmoko request... When I stated that neither
> us nor openmoko did get an answer, I should have written: "If I recall
> correclty openmoko tried to reach opencellid, but I have not heard of
> any response. We tried to contact opencellid, but got no response." I
> personally have not tried to reach you. But Nick yes, without answer,
> for what I have understood.
>

   Would be curious to have his email just to check. I am quite sure I've
answered to all demands like this.


> > There is more than 100 000 cells covered, with 5.5 millions of
> > measure, and more cells will be "donated" soon. We expect to reach 200
> > 000 cells in the coming weeks thanks to a new project donation. There is
> > also more than 10 different clients (windows mobile, symbian,
> > blackberry, j2me,...) gathering the database.
> >
>
> Is there different countries?
>

Yes, the stats page show all countries:

http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats


>
> Good to see there is no client for openmoko, otherwise I may have worked
> for nothing ;-)
>

 Yes, I've heard that other where working on such client too!


>
> >   I've been running this project since more than one year , with an
> > objective to push community efforts around cell id. So I would be more
> > than happy to see new effort joining this project instead of creating
> > separate efforts.  So let's join effort and create something big!
> >
>
> I am very glad to read this, especially as I was very disappointed not
> being able to leverage the existing work you have done. For my part I
> work on the client side. A logger/uploader. I guess it would be easy to
> modify it to upload to your database if we go that way. But for now, I
> think it would be good Nick (who takes care of the server side) and you
> keep discussing, in order to evaluate a possible merger.
>
> As there are also plans on embedding the database on the phone, and
> using it to locate, I would like to know if this part would interest
> you? Or only the server side and upload?
>

The idea is to provide all the means to do so. So if there is anything that
is needed to help you to do this, I would be happy to provide it. For
instance, a way to send an area and get the list of cells in that area. I
amalready working on such  functionality.
  But the switch to from OpenBMap to OpenCellID should be quite fast as I
assume that the API is probably the same, or very close to. (
http://www.opencellid.org/api )


>
> >  And as a reminder, the complete data base is available for download.
> >
> >  So if you have any question/interrogation, feel free to share them with
> > me so we can clarify this.
> >
> >  Regards,
>
> Great we ca

Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 19:23, Onen wrote:
> 
> I don't have a recipe. Nothing comes to my mind about something special 
> for building it. It was working with python 2.5 under FSO M4.1. The 
> package puts the file now under 2.6 python directories, under FSO M5.
> 
> I only have forgotten one dependency in the package description: the 
> framework!

Will have a look at it over the weekend.

regards
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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Onen]

Hi Thomas,

Thomas Landspurg wrote:
> 
>   Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out).
> 
>   I am behind the opencellid.org  project, and it 
> seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the mailing 
> list.
> 

Last month, and today, indeed.

>   So let me clarifiy:
> 
> - As described in the web site, the license is under creative common 
> share alike 3.0. I had several request today stating that just linking 
> to the license was not clear enough, so I will re-clarify it on the web 
> site, but also in this list.
> 

Last time I checked (and other people, see the post I pointed out 
earlier today), it was not clear. But today, as people had a look again, 
it seems to me pretty clear :-)

> - I am surprised to see statment that I did not answer to some 
> questions. I've verified,and all openmoko request have been answered. I 
> am not perfect, and may be some emails have been missed, but a search on 
> openmoko on my mail box did not raise any pending question.
> 

Not sure what you mean by openmoko request... When I stated that neither 
us nor openmoko did get an answer, I should have written: "If I recall 
correclty openmoko tried to reach opencellid, but I have not heard of 
any response. We tried to contact opencellid, but got no response." I 
personally have not tried to reach you. But Nick yes, without answer, 
for what I have understood.

> There is more than 100 000 cells covered, with 5.5 millions of 
> measure, and more cells will be "donated" soon. We expect to reach 200 
> 000 cells in the coming weeks thanks to a new project donation. There is 
> also more than 10 different clients (windows mobile, symbian, 
> blackberry, j2me,...) gathering the database.
> 

Is there different countries?

Good to see there is no client for openmoko, otherwise I may have worked 
for nothing ;-)

>   I've been running this project since more than one year , with an 
> objective to push community efforts around cell id. So I would be more 
> than happy to see new effort joining this project instead of creating 
> separate efforts.  So let's join effort and create something big!
> 

I am very glad to read this, especially as I was very disappointed not 
being able to leverage the existing work you have done. For my part I 
work on the client side. A logger/uploader. I guess it would be easy to 
modify it to upload to your database if we go that way. But for now, I 
think it would be good Nick (who takes care of the server side) and you 
keep discussing, in order to evaluate a possible merger.

As there are also plans on embedding the database on the phone, and 
using it to locate, I would like to know if this part would interest 
you? Or only the server side and upload?

>  And as a reminder, the complete data base is available for download.
> 
>  So if you have any question/interrogation, feel free to share them with 
> me so we can clarify this.
> 
>  Regards,

Great we can move along. I hated this feeling of reinventing the wheel!

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Pidgin Facebook plugin :: troubleshoot arm problems...

[Tim Dobson]

Hi there,

I'm on 2008.12 += Kustomizer and I have just got pidgin working.

On my desktop I use a hackish pidgin plugin to use facebook chat via pidgin.
The website is here:
http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/

There is a version built for arm: 
http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/downloads/detail?name=libfacebookarm-1.47.so

but I get the feeling it is arm5 because the moment one starts to use it 
pidgin crashes because of "illegal instruction"

The only reason I attempted to use the prebuilt version is because I had 
such a touch time trying to get the right things installed to be able to 
build my own (I'm not experienced at doing this!)

Has anyone got any ideas?

Tim

howto install it:
http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/wiki/How_To_Install

Crash log below:
(18:18:42) jabber: xmlParseChunk returned error 100
(18:18:46) util: Writing file accounts.xml to directory /home/root/.purple
(18:18:46) util: Writing file /home/root/.purple/accounts.xml
(18:18:46) util: Writing file blist.xml to directory /home/root/.purple
(18:18:46) util: Writing file /home/root/.purple/blist.xml
(18:19:02) jabber: jabber_actions: have pep: NO
(18:19:02) account: Connecting to account someuser
(18:19:02) connection: Connecting. gc = 0x4b4fa0
(18:19:02) facebook: sending request headers:
POST /login.php HTTP/1.0
Host: login.facebook.com
Connection: close
User-Agent: Opera/9.50 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en-GB)
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Content-length: 121
Accept: */*
Cookie: isfbe=false;test_cookie=1;

(18:19:02) dns: DNS query for 'login.facebook.com' queued
(18:19:02) dns: DNS query for 'login.facebook.com' queued
(18:19:02) dns: Created new DNS child 1447, there are now 1 children.
(18:19:02) dns: Successfully sent DNS request to child 1447
(18:19:02) dns: Created new DNS child 1448, there are now 2 children.
(18:19:02) dns: Successfully sent DNS request to child 1448
(18:19:02) dns: Got response for 'login.facebook.com'
(18:19:02) dnsquery: IP resolved for login.facebook.com
(18:19:02) facebook: updating cache of dns addresses
(18:19:02) facebook: Host login.facebook.com has IP 69.63.180.173
(18:19:02) dns: Got response for 'login.facebook.com'
(18:19:02) dnsquery: IP resolved for login.facebook.com
(18:19:02) proxy: Attempting connection to 69.63.180.173
(18:19:02) proxy: Connecting to login.facebook.com:443 with no proxy
(18:19:02) proxy: Connection in progress
(18:19:03) proxy: Connected to login.facebook.com:443.
(18:19:03) gnutls: Starting handshake with login.facebook.com
(18:19:03) gnutls: Handshake complete
(18:19:03) gnutls/x509: Key print: 
52:6c:34:5c:4d:f6:11:d3:27:04:af:a8:ae:8e:71:a6:98:57:45:e3
(18:19:03) gnutls: Peer provided 1 certs
(18:19:03) gnutls: Lvl 0 SHA1 fingerprint: 
52:6c:34:5c:4d:f6:11:d3:27:04:af:a8:ae:8e:71:a6:98:57:45:e3
(18:19:03) gnutls: Serial: 05:1b:4c
(18:19:03) gnutls: Cert DN: 
C=US,O=login.facebook.com,OU=GT04482452,OU=See 
www.geotrust.com/resources/cps (c)06,OU=Domain Control Validated - 
QuickSSL(R),CN=login.facebook.com
(18:19:03) gnutls: Cert Issuer DN: C=US,O=Equifax Secure Inc.,CN=Equifax 
Secure Global eBusiness CA-1
(18:19:03) certificate/x509/tls_cached: Starting verify for 
login.facebook.com
(18:19:03) certificate/x509/tls_cached: Checking for cached cert...
(18:19:03) certificate/x509/tls_cached: ...Found cached cert
(18:19:03) gnutls: Attempting to load X.509 certificate from 
/home/root/.purple/certificates/x509/tls_peers/login.facebook.com
(18:19:03) certificate/x509/tls_cached: Peer cert matched cached
(18:19:03) certificate: Successfully verified certificate for 
login.facebook.com
(18:19:03) facebook: post_or_get_ssl_connect_cb
(18:19:04) gnutls: receive failed: A TLS packet with unexpected length 
was received.
(18:19:04) facebook: ssl error, but data received.  attempting to continue
(18:19:04) facebook: response headers
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:21:59 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.41.fb1
Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT
Cache-Control: private, no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, 
post-check=0, pre-check=0
Pragma: no-cache
P3P: CP="HONK"
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Onen]

Hello,

Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54, Onen wrote:
>> the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap 
>> [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org.
> 
> Awesome. Thanks for doing this.
> 

I think so too ;-)

>> The package "Freesmartphone.org client" [2] provides you with a logger, 
>> and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5.
> 
> Did you build this package by hand or with a recipe for OE? I ask because I
> would like to include it into OE and put it into the MS5 feed and perhaps also
> in the image for the next milestone.

By hand. Thanks for helping! That would be awesome too!

> 
> If you have an bitbake recipe that would make my life easier, if not just tell
> my if there is anythoing special I need to know for building it.
> 

I don't have a recipe. Nothing comes to my mind about something special 
for building it. It was working with python 2.5 under FSO M4.1. The 
package puts the file now under 2.6 python directories, under FSO M5.

I only have forgotten one dependency in the package description: the 
framework!

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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Onen]

hi,

Yorick Moko wrote:
> isn't more data always preferable? you could still decide not to use them...
> cells that we are connected to would recieve a higher "precision" off course,
> 

Agreed. That is the point of view of Nick (from the project). Add a 
field to know if the log is a connected cell, or a neighbour one. On the 
phone the idea is to have the areas of the cells in a database. Not 
every GPS point uploaded to the "raw" database. But still, the "raw" 
database could grow up pretty fast. You should see with Nick, he takes 
care of the server side.

> but if I walk five times around in a city, and I never get connected
> to a certain cell, but I know a lot of points where that cell is in
> range, and a lot of points where it isn't? I don't find it impossible
> that one could distill some information from this.
> 

Probably. But again the database could grow quickly. But as stated in my 
previous email, I think we need to experiment with this, to see what 
works or not, and what takes not too much space.

> And even a precision of 30km or more helps the assisted gps from
> ublox; so neighbouring cells can certainly be of some help, don't you
> agree?
> 

I definitely think that using the neighbour cells to improve accuracy at 
locating time, will be much useful. What I wonder, is if to log them, 
increasing the amount of data, but stretching the areas related to them 
will bring us anything.

> 
> y
> 
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM,   wrote:
>> For the moment our position is:
>>
>> We log the cell ids we get connected to.
>>
>> We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the 
>> cells,
>> we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells
>> even very far. I fear that it would stretch the areas, and thus decrease the
>> precision, nullifying the benefit of recording those additional cells.
>>
>> But, my idea, is to use the neighbour cells, to detect the overlapping region
>> among areas of cells I currently see, to improve the precision.
>>
>> Any comments?
>>
>> Onen
>>
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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Davide Scaini]

very interesting indeed!
d

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Warren Baird wrote:

> That's great - I'm using QtE 4.4.2 right now, and I'd love to get an
> updated build - but I don't really have the time to muck about getting
> everything to compile.
>
> If you can share your images when they are ready, I'd greatly appreciate
> it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Warren
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Filip Onkelinx  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on :
>>
>> QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version)
>> Kernel 2.6.28
>> Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all
>> commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt & X.
>> running from µ-SD
>>
>> The image is not yet 100% working, but I?m able to use my FR as a reliable
>> mobile phone with a decent running time and a fun hacking device at the
>> same time.
>> I'll post my patches (mostly changes to Qt to adapt for the new kernel)
>> somewhere during the next days , and once I have an image that I'm happy
>> with I'll make it available for download.
>>
>> Filip.
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:03 +0100, Przemys?aw Maci?g 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi! ...
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober
>> >  wrote:
>> >> and...@howlett.net escribió:
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
>> >>> experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
>> >>> details:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK
>> >
>> > ... and thank you for your job! I tried to build it myself (without
>> > success..), but I didn't have time to look more carefuly into this :/
>> >
>> > I'll try your your 'recipe' tomorrow :D
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Przemek
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Re: (Android) Uboot

[Paul]

> Just flash Qi to u-boot and you won't have to bother with env.

Thanks!

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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Warren Baird]

That's great - I'm using QtE 4.4.2 right now, and I'd love to get an updated
build - but I don't really have the time to muck about getting everything to
compile.

If you can share your images when they are ready, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks!

Warren


On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Filip Onkelinx  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on :
>
> QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version)
> Kernel 2.6.28
> Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all
> commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt & X.
> running from µ-SD
>
> The image is not yet 100% working, but I?m able to use my FR as a reliable
> mobile phone with a decent running time and a fun hacking device at the
> same time.
> I'll post my patches (mostly changes to Qt to adapt for the new kernel)
> somewhere during the next days , and once I have an image that I'm happy
> with I'll make it available for download.
>
> Filip.
>
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:03 +0100, Przemys?aw Maci?g 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi! ...
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober
> >  wrote:
> >> and...@howlett.net escribió:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
> >>> experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
> >>> details:
> >>>
> >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK
> >
> > ... and thank you for your job! I tried to build it myself (without
> > success..), but I didn't have time to look more carefuly into this :/
> >
> > I'll try your your 'recipe' tomorrow :D
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Przemek
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Re: Voicenote - new software

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 16:18, kimaidou wrote:
> Hi
> Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and how
> ?
> There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon in
> the /usr/share/pixmaps.
> So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon should appear.
> Please provide more details please :S

Ignore, it's working, my mistake.

If you like to get this into OE and thus into the feed for FSO and other distros
let me know. If you don't have a bitbake recipe building the ipkg let me know
the the building details and I can take care of it.

regards
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(Android) Uboot

[Paul]

Hello folks,

Since a long time I can do something with the Freerunner again (my 
mother died a few weeks ago...)


I have heard about Android images of Michael Trimarchi.
But in the readme on his site, he mentions that the Uboot environment 
needs to be updated as the kernel is quite large.

Can someone point me to the proper setting of the Uboot env, so I can 
play with this Android image?

So far SHR has been quite nice, but I am really intrigued by Android...

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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 Feed

[Chris Syntichakis]

Hi,

Nice work, but the qtgps is not working with the 4.4.2.
I can install it without problems, but when I am trying to run it, it
crashes (Application terminated due to
application error).

Rgrds

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Re: (Android) Uboot

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/2/20 Paul 

> Hello folks,
>
> Since a long time I can do something with the Freerunner again (my
> mother died a few weeks ago...)
>
>
> I have heard about Android images of Michael Trimarchi.
> But in the readme on his site, he mentions that the Uboot environment
> needs to be updated as the kernel is quite large.
>
> Can someone point me to the proper setting of the Uboot env, so I can
> play with this Android image?
>

Just flash Qi to u-boot and you won't have to bother with env.
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Sell GTA02 - Portugal

[Samuel Pereira]

Hello,

I want to sell my GTA02, because i dont have time for "play" with the 
mobile...

Is like new, i use it on a openmoko pouch.

I have buy from Pulster, on 18 of November of 2008.

The Package Includes:

* Neo FreeRunner
* AC adapter
* USB cable
* 1200 mAH battery
* Laser stylus (Original)
* 3 HTC stylus
* micro SD card (512MB)
* micro SD card (4GB)
* pouch of openmoko
* case

I sell it for 310 Euros.


Thanks,
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Re: Qi powers off after few seconds

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
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| again after a few seconds, when the boot process has already started. It
| only boots normally when I turn it on the second time. Might after
| battery removal. Anybody else noticed this?

What's your kernel?  If it's not recent, try a 2.6.29 one it may resolve it.

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Re: Qi powers off after few seconds

[Chris Syntichakis]

Yeap.. I noticed it 2-3 times..


rusolis wrote:
> 
> It often happens to me that when I turn on the phone, Qi turns it off
> again
> after a few seconds, when the boot process has already started. It only
> boots normally when I turn it on the second time. Might after battery
> removal. Anybody else noticed this?
> 
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Qi powers off after few seconds

[Michal Brzozowski]

It often happens to me that when I turn on the phone, Qi turns it off again
after a few seconds, when the boot process has already started. It only
boots normally when I turn it on the second time. Might after battery
removal. Anybody else noticed this?

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Re: Making FreeRunner work as a Phone (using Qt Extended)

[Marcel]

Am Friday 20 February 2009 16:27:15 schrieb and...@howlett.net:
> Hi all,Spent the last six weeks fooling around with different
> distributions. Obviously some distros are better than others for certain
> tasks. IMO Qt Extended is the best for using FreeRunner as a phone
> (although it sucks for many other tasks!). So I put together some
> instructions for other total newbs like me: />http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Getting_the_Freerunner_workin
>g_as_a_Phonelater,andrew.

Sorry for not being too helpful, but for the sake of simplicity it would be 
really nice if you sent plain text instead of html mails to the list. :)
Thank you very much,

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Re: Voicenote - new software

[Matthias Felsche]

Please, don't you cry!!!
I haven't tried your application by now, but when I'll be home, I'll do 
immediately! :)))

So let's work together:
* we need some python-ogg and python-vorbis packages for OM and SHR, i think 
they exist in debian
(sources: http://ekyo.nerim.net/software/pyogg/index.html)
* How to achieve the same sound-quality produced by arecord with the same 
properties? --> ALSA-State-Tweakings?
* ...
* ...
* Drink a Beer! :)

Greetings
Matthias

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: "kimaidou" 
Gesendet: 20.02.09 17:05:42
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Betreff: Re: Voicenote - new software

I am just crying so noisily right now :(

Ok, I have been beaten :D . But:
* I am happy someone has the same need
* I was trying to find doc on pygtk, so I will stop :D
* I will try your application
* I am sure it is what I intended to do at first. If not I will help 
you with ideas and code 
* I can help you to package it

conclusion : I don't know yet if I must kill my opkg page and wiki 
page about Voicenote, or if I should let the user choose ?

Anyway I wil be happy to work with you as a team.

Kimaidou

2009/2/20 Matthias Felsche 
Oh, you guys are talking about something concerning me in a special 
way!!!
I can't wait any longer!
The last few days i was working on an dictation- oder voice-recording-
application as well. It is not ready yet, but basically functionable.
I began with a python-gtk-gui and by now it is only recording and 
playing wavs.
I didn't want to use arecord and aplay, but python-tools.
I was just about implementing real-time-ogg-conversion.
I've attached my work up to now, maybe it's helpful.
It's in need of a little improvement but works.
just untar the content into / , get all the dependency-stuff (just 
read /usr/local/dictator/readme), change the saving-folder to the 
folder you like, then start by typing:

python /usr/local/dictator/diktator.py

enjoy! :)

Well, let's work together if you like. Or let this be a help for you.
For example up to now i don't know how to package things as ipk!

Matthias

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Gesendet: 20.02.09 16:37:25
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One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface
which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for
bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing:
- - red --> message of the 1st window
- - orange --> message of the 2nd window
- - green --> recorded and saved

... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate
to
realize that, but before summer I've no time :(

Greetings :D

[1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg

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real frontend as EFL ?" in my to-do list. I will think about it and
try it. I am not sure yet if I must use python + pygtk or python + EFL
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Qt Extended 4.4.2 Feed

[andrew]

I couldn't find any good Qt Extended 4.4.2 feeds so I made my own:http://radagast.bglug.ca/neoAll Qt Extended 4.4.2 users are welcome to use it. If you want me to add your package email it to me at and...@nospampleasehowlett.net  (remove the nospamplease to form the correct email address).So far I've got the example app, qtgps and qterminal in the feed.later,andrew.

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fyp in qemu?

[Kai Timmer]

Hello,
i am new to this whole openmoko stuff, so please be patient with me ;)

I tried to get a fyp installation running in qemu. Here is what i did:
1. compiled qemu with:

$ svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973
$ cd qemu-neo1973
$ ./configure --target-list=arm-softmmu
$ make

then i downloaded the 2 files from here:
http://opensvn.csie.org/fyp/releases/2.17/
and put them in ./openmoko/

now i changed openmoko/env to match the filenames.
A openmoko/flash.sh runs fine until it stops with the following error:

Please wait, programming the NAND flash...
qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x0004
[followed by a qemu register dump]

What is going wrong? Is it possible at all to get this running (i need
something to play with until my device is delivered :) )?

Greets,
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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Filip Onkelinx]

Hi,

I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on :

QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version)
Kernel 2.6.28
Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all  
commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt & X.
running from µ-SD

The image is not yet 100% working, but I?m able to use my FR as a reliable  
mobile phone with a decent running time and a fun hacking device at the  
same time.
I'll post my patches (mostly changes to Qt to adapt for the new kernel)  
somewhere during the next days , and once I have an image that I'm happy  
with I'll make it available for download.

Filip.

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:51:03 +0100, Przemys?aw Maci?g   
wrote:

> Hi! ...
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober
>  wrote:
>> and...@howlett.net escribió:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
>>> experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
>>> details:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK
>
> ... and thank you for your job! I tried to build it myself (without
> success..), but I didn't have time to look more carefuly into this :/
>
> I'll try your your 'recipe' tomorrow :D
>
> Cheers,
> Przemek
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Re: Voicenote - new software

[kimaidou]

I am just crying so noisily right now :(

Ok, I have been beaten :D . But:
* I am happy someone has the same need
* I was trying to find doc on pygtk, so I will stop :D
* I will try your application
* I am sure it is what I intended to do at first. If not I will help you
with ideas and code
* I can help you to package it

conclusion : I don't know yet if I must kill my opkg page and wiki page
about Voicenote, or if I should let the user choose ?

Anyway I wil be happy to work with you as a team.

Kimaidou

2009/2/20 Matthias Felsche 

> Oh, you guys are talking about something concerning me in a special way!!!
> I can't wait any longer!
> The last few days i was working on an dictation- oder
> voice-recording-application as well. It is not ready yet, but basically
> functionable.
> I began with a python-gtk-gui and by now it is only recording and playing
> wavs.
> I didn't want to use arecord and aplay, but python-tools.
> I was just about implementing real-time-ogg-conversion.
> I've attached my work up to now, maybe it's helpful.
> It's in need of a little improvement but works.
> just untar the content into / , get all the dependency-stuff (just read
> /usr/local/dictator/readme), change the saving-folder to the folder you
> like, then start by typing:
>
> python /usr/local/dictator/diktator.py
>
> enjoy! :)
>
> Well, let's work together if you like. Or let this be a help for you.
> For example up to now i don't know how to package things as ipk!
>
> Matthias
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: "kimaidou" 
> Gesendet: 20.02.09 16:37:25
> An: List for Openmoko community discussion 
> Betreff: Re: Voicenote - new software
>
> One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface
> which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for
> bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing:
> - - red --> message of the 1st window
> - - orange --> message of the 2nd window
> - - green --> recorded and saved
>
> ... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate
> to
> realize that, but before summer I've no time :(
>
> Greetings :D
>
> [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg
>
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>
> Francesco, this is a great idea, which I called "replace zenity by a
> real frontend as EFL ?" in my to-do list. I will think about it and
> try it. I am not sure yet if I must use python + pygtk or python + EFL
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Re: Voicenote - new software

[Matthias Felsche]

Oh, you guys are talking about something concerning me in a special way!!!
I can't wait any longer!
The last few days i was working on an dictation- oder 
voice-recording-application as well. It is not ready yet, but basically 
functionable.
I began with a python-gtk-gui and by now it is only recording and playing wavs. 
I didn't want to use arecord and aplay, but python-tools.
I was just about implementing real-time-ogg-conversion.
I've attached my work up to now, maybe it's helpful.
It's in need of a little improvement but works.
just untar the content into / , get all the dependency-stuff (just read 
/usr/local/dictator/readme), change the saving-folder to the folder you like, 
then start by typing:

python /usr/local/dictator/diktator.py

enjoy! :)

Well, let's work together if you like. Or let this be a help for you.
For example up to now i don't know how to package things as ipk!

Matthias


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Von: "kimaidou" 
Gesendet: 20.02.09 16:37:25
An: List for Openmoko community discussion 
Betreff: Re: Voicenote - new software

One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface
which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for
bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing:
- - red --> message of the 1st window
- - orange --> message of the 2nd window
- - green --> recorded and saved

... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate 
to
realize that, but before summer I've no time :(

Greetings :D

[1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg

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Francesco, this is a great idea, which I called "replace zenity by a 
real frontend as EFL ?" in my to-do list. I will think about it and 
try it. I am not sure yet if I must use python + pygtk or python + EFL
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Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

[Stefan Monnier]

> But where do we get this almanac data? Can we redistribute what
> u-box.com sends us?

AFAIK, the almanac data that framworkd saves from the GPS can come from
u-blox but can also come directly from the GPS satellites.  So we could
try to setup some kind of peer-to-peer distribution of the data
downloaded from the satellites.  Of course, that presumes we have the
right to distribute the satellite's data.


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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Przemysław Maciąg]

Hi! ...

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Tomas Riveros Schober
 wrote:
> and...@howlett.net escribió:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
>> experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
>> details:
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK

... and thank you for your job! I tried to build it myself (without
success..), but I didn't have time to look more carefuly into this :/

I'll try your your 'recipe' tomorrow :D

Cheers,
Przemek

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Freerunner user at Harding

[The Digital Pioneer]

I've heard say that there is another Freerunner user at Harding University
(which is where I am) and I'm wondering who they are. If said person is on
this list, let me know. :) I was surprised when someone said they recognized
my phone, since most people see it and ask "What is THAT??"

-- 
Thanks,

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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Tomas Riveros Schober]

and...@howlett.net escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my 
> experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the 
> details:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK
>
> later,
> andrew.
> 
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Thanks for your work!
I've been trying to build QtE too, however, I'm trying to build it using 
FSO as the base image, using the FSO toolchain as mwester's page.
However I've not been successful so far (it complains about not finding 
dbus-1, I will be trying to debug it and get it to work all day today so 
I'll report back if i get to something)
The main idea is to modernize the underlying rootfs for qtextended, so 
we can benefit from all the kernel bugfixing and all that (and faster 
boot times!)

regards
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PS. your instructions are indeed very helpful

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Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend

[Stefan Monnier]

> files. All that was required was a frontend for it! I know pythm is just
> that, but my Neo uses more than 30% CPU with it. It could be a minor bug -

I'll just remind people here that pythm also works with MPD.  If you use
the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the same as what
you see with your mplayer+intone).

The other advantage of MPD is that you can control it from anywhere
since the communication between the frontend and the backend is over
a TCP/IP connection.  E.g. you can use your FR's pythm as a remote
control for your other machines's MPDs (I have an MPD running on
a small server at home, turning it into a jukebox).


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OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Thomas Landspurg]

  Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out).

  I am behind the opencellid.org project, and it seems that there are some
discussion around it these day on the mailing list.

  So let me clarifiy:

- As described in the web site, the license is under creative common share
alike 3.0. I had several request today stating that just linking to the
license was not clear enough, so I will re-clarify it on the web site, but
also in this list.

- I am surprised to see statment that I did not answer to some questions.
I've verified,and all openmoko request have been answered. I am not perfect,
and may be some emails have been missed, but a search on openmoko on my mail
box did not raise any pending question.

There is more than 100 000 cells covered, with 5.5 millions of measure,
and more cells will be "donated" soon. We expect to reach 200 000 cells in
the coming weeks thanks to a new project donation. There is also more than
10 different clients (windows mobile, symbian, blackberry, j2me,...)
gathering the database.

  I've been running this project since more than one year , with an
objective to push community efforts around cell id. So I would be more than
happy to see new effort joining this project instead of creating separate
efforts.  So let's join effort and create something big!

 And as a reminder, the complete data base is available for download.

 So if you have any question/interrogation, feel free to share them with me
so we can clarify this.

 Regards,




>
> -- Message transféré --
> From: onen...@free.fr
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion 
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:36:38 +0100
> Subject: Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)
> Hi,
>
> this has already been discussed in this thread on the devel list:
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html
>
> What happens is that the license of data in the opencellid database is not
> clearly stated. People from openmoko has tried to contact them. We have
> tried
> two times over three months time to contact them also. We have no answer so
> far.
> No license does mean: you cannot use it at all, because you do not have any
> idea
> of your rights over it.
>
> Hope this answer your question.
>
> Onen
>
>
> Quoting Ed Kapitein :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Why setting up your own database, while opencellid has
> > "TotalCells:106120" acording to http://www.opencellid.org/cell/stats ?
> > I think using there database will concentrate the data in on place and
> > will give you a better coverage.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > @
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54 +0100, Onen wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the
> openBmap
> > > [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org.
> > >
> > > As mentioned on the main page "openBmap is a free and open map of
> > > wireless communicating objects (e.g. cellular antenna, Wi-Fi,
> > > Bluetooth). It provides tools to mutualize data, create and access this
> > > map."
> > >
> > > At this time, only cellular networks are concerned.
> > > All the software code is AGPL v3 and data are Creative Commons License
> > > (creative commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported), thus the data
> > > is free to use (in the same way as OpenStreetMap).
> > >
> > > Map status (last update 2009-02-06 03:30:31)
> > > Cellular: 6 countries, 9 mobile networks, 313 location area codes, 8905
> > > cells
> > >
> > > This could be used for:
> > > * locate you on a map. You don't need to turn GPS on. And as your GSM
> is
> > > always on, and the database is located on your phone, it is
> > > instantaneous. This prevent your battery and your privacy (don't need
> to
> > > send your GSM data to anyone on the Web).
> > >
> > > * provide rough location (the GSM gives less precise result as GPS) to
> > > the GPS, in order to speed up first time to fix.
> > >
> > > * ...
> > >
> > > The package "Freesmartphone.org client" [2] provides you with a logger,
> > > and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5.
> > >
> > > If you want to get located through your GSM data, at the moment you can
> > > use the Web API [3]. There is a Web interface [4] available to use this
> > > API and display zones on a map.
> > >
> > > We hope many will upload!
> > >
> > > Privacy note: when you upload, exactly as with OSM, your logs allow to
> > > know where and when you were. You have been warned ;-) !
> > >
> > > I copy/paste the README of the package at the end of this email.
> > >
> > > Onen
> > >
> > > [1] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/
> > > [2] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065
> > > [3] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php
> > > [4] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/cell_map.php
> > >
> > > README:
> > >
> > > openBmap logger version 0.1
> > >
> > > What you should expect:
> > > * generation of logs
> > > * upload of logs
> > >
> > > Manual:
> > > Interface is straightforward.
> > >
> > > *

Re: Voicenote - new software

[kimaidou]

>
>
> One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface
> which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for
> bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing:
> - - red --> message of the 1st window
> - - orange --> message of the 2nd window
> - - green  --> recorded and saved
>
> ... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate to
> realize that, but before summer I've no time :(
>
> Greetings :D
>
> [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg
> - --
> Francesco de Virgilio
>


Francesco, this is a great idea, which I called "replace zenity by a real
frontend as EFL ?" in my to-do list. I will think about it and try it. I am
not sure yet if I must use python + pygtk or python + EFL
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Re: Voicenote - new software

[Francesco de Virgilio]

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kimaidou ha scritto:
> Hi
> Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and
> how ?
> 
> There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon
> in the /usr/share/pixmaps.
> So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon should appear.
> Please provide more details please :S
> 
> Has anyone else got the same problem ?
On OM 2008.12, after installing aplay package, it works like a charm ;)

One suggestion: why do not try to make a more user-friendly interface
which is big as the whole screen space, with big buttons (useful for
bikers) and a traffic light[1] showing:
- - red --> message of the 1st window
- - orange --> message of the 2nd window
- - green  --> recorded and saved

... or something like that ;) In PyGtk it's very simple and immediate to
realize that, but before summer I've no time :(

Greetings :D

[1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Ampel.svg
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Making FreeRunner work as a Phone (using Qt Extended)

[andrew]

Hi all,Spent the last six weeks fooling around with different distributions. Obviously some distros are better than others for certain tasks. IMO Qt Extended is the best for using FreeRunner as a phone (although it sucks for many other tasks!). So I put together some instructions for other total newbs like me:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Getting_the_Freerunner_working_as_a_Phonelater,andrew.

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Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[andrew]

Hi all,Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the details:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDKlater,andrew.

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Re: Voicenote - new software

[kimaidou]

Hi
Can you please tell me on which distribution you have installed it, and how
?

There are actually a desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ and a icon in
the /usr/share/pixmaps.
So on the OM and SHR distros, an icon should appear.
Please provide more details please :S

Has anyone else got the same problem ?

Thanks

2009/2/20 Stefan Schmidt 

> Hello.
>
> On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:30, kimaidou wrote:
> >
> > As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young :
> > * I need feedbacks
>
> If you add and desktop file and an icon it should be usable without a
> terminal.
> Just start it with a press in the launcher and you can make voicenotes in a
> fast
> and easy manner.
>
> regards
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 09:54, Onen wrote:
> 
> the openBmap team is happy to announce the first release of the openBmap 
> [1] logger/uploader for freesmartphone.org.

Awesome. Thanks for doing this.

> The package "Freesmartphone.org client" [2] provides you with a logger, 
> and an uploader. It has been tested against FSO Milestones 5.

Did you build this package by hand or with a recipe for OE? I ask because I
would like to include it into OE and put it into the MS5 feed and perhaps also
in the image for the next milestone.

If you have an bitbake recipe that would make my life easier, if not just tell
my if there is anythoing special I need to know for building it.

regards
Stefan Schmidt

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Re: Voicenote - new software

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:30, kimaidou wrote:
> 
> As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young :
> * I need feedbacks

If you add and desktop file and an icon it should be usable without a terminal.
Just start it with a press in the launcher and you can make voicenotes in a fast
and easy manner.

regards
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Re: Voicenote - new software

[kimaidou]

>
> I'd like to have voice detection so that it records only when I
> talk. I'm sure there is some existing software that does this so
> writing new is not necessary.
>

It will be harder to do than this because :
* even if the soft exists, I have no knowledge to use it (my coding skill
are very thin, I don't know how to make librairies, signals and all this
type of things communicate
* the environment of the freerunner is ofter noisy
* the process must stay awake in "wait" mode, so it uses CPU.
* the freerunner can receive a phone call

So, my simple voicenote soft will really focus on taking one note at a time,
with the simplest code possible. Could you please tell me in wich context
you will need voice detection ?

Kimaidou
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Re: The illume-config wrench has gone

[white_gecko]

Is there a possibility to manualy change a config parameter or to start the
illume-config from terminal?


Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT) forestmountain
>  babbled:
> 
>> 
>> In the illume-config under shelfs I unmarked all options and thereby
>> removed
>> the wrench from being accessable on the shelfs. Does anybody know how to
>> get
>> the wrench back. Illume-config isn't showing as an icon and I don't know
>> where illume-config saves it's configuration.
> 
> you have now just done the equivalent of "rm -rf /boot" :) - you'e not
> getting
> it back without manually resetting your config.
> 
> yes. i know. it lets you shoot yourself in the foot. with no warning or
> help.
> as such that config spanner was a tool i used during development so i had
> access to all the config swizzle bits i REALLY needed and then at the end
> it was
> to be removed as if it never existed. the svn package rev of illume that
> did
> that actually was never used - an earlier one was and so there was a
> "hack" to
> just make it not visible/usable in the theme instead.
> 
> so as such i really didn't spend any effort trying to "idiot-proof" the
> conifg
> (don't take tha the wrong way - please!".
> 
> right now i can't do much for you but suggest you:
> 
> rm -rf ~/.e/
> killall -HUP enlightenment
> 
> from the shell to get a restore back to defaults :)
> 
> and yes - i know about users being able to do this and yes there should
> either be special protection around hat 1 gadget, or some other mechanism
> to
> get it back or defaults back, should you get yourself into strife. i know!
> i
> need to fork illume and its package/theme anyway and make a new package
> set that
> actually brings back all these goodies (config panel, illume keyboard
> etc.) by
> default and THEN i'll start to worry about that config panel and such. :)
> 
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Re: [FYP]

[Stefan Strahl]

I did - nice distro with good tools (GPS on/off, Battery with current
drain/loading,...) in the upper task bar.
But in my case suspend does not work, so not for the daily use.

So worth a try I would suggest :)

:) stefan

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Re: Voicenote - new software

[kimaidou]

>
> Pardon,
> should be added that alsa-utils-aplay package is needed to get the
> program working properly; add this also on opkg.org:
>
> opkg install alsa-utils-aplay
>
> NOW IT WORKS!!
>
> Great program :D
>
> Greetings
>


Thanks for your feedback. Since I ran it on debian, I did not knwo this
package was not installed. I will add this info on the wiki page and the
opkg
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Re: Voicenote - new software

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kimaidou ha scritto:
> Hi all
> 
> As the project I had to create a small software to record audio from the
> microphone has given birth to a package, I officially tell the list
> about it.
> You can find the wiki page here :
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote
> And the opkg page here
> http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html
> 
> As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young :
> * I need feedbacks
> * there are many things to implement
> 
> But it is a 0.1 version, so let it grow.
> 
> Thanks for those who helped and commented, and please add your comment /
> wish list / idea / code in the discussion page of the wiki page
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Voicenote&action=edit
> 
> 
> Kimaidou

Pardon,
should be added that alsa-utils-aplay package is needed to get the
program working properly; add this also on opkg.org:

opkg install alsa-utils-aplay

NOW IT WORKS!!

Great program :D

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Re: Voicenote - new software

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

kimaidou  writes:
> As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young :
> * I need feedbacks
> * there are many things to implement

I'd like to have voice detection so that it records only when I
talk. I'm sure there is some existing software that does this so
writing new is not necessary.



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Re: Voicenote - new software

[Francesco de Virgilio]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

r...@om-gta02:~# voicenote.sh
Recording...
/usr/bin/voicenote.sh: line 13: arecord: command not found
killall: arecord: no process killed
Your voice-note has been recorded under the filename :
voicenote_2000-02-09_16-49.wav

I cannot find any "voicenote_2000-02-09_16-49.wav"... why it doesn't
find arecord? How could I install it?

Thanks,

kimaidou ha scritto:
> Hi all
> 
> As the project I had to create a small software to record audio from the
> microphone has given birth to a package, I officially tell the list
> about it.
> You can find the wiki page here :
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote
> And the opkg page here
> http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html
> 
> As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young :
> * I need feedbacks
> * there are many things to implement
> 
> But it is a 0.1 version, so let it grow.
> 
> Thanks for those who helped and commented, and please add your comment /
> wish list / idea / code in the discussion page of the wiki page
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Voicenote&action=edit
> 
> 
> Kimaidou
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Voicenote - new software

[kimaidou]

Hi all

As the project I had to create a small software to record audio from the
microphone has given birth to a package, I officially tell the list about
it.
You can find the wiki page here :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote
And the opkg page here
http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html

As you can see in the todo list, the project is very young :
* I need feedbacks
* there are many things to implement

But it is a 0.1 version, so let it grow.

Thanks for those who helped and commented, and please add your comment /
wish list / idea / code in the discussion page of the wiki page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:Voicenote&action=edit

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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[kimaidou]

This is a great idea. I personnaly try to add data into OSM when I have
time. I will add this in high priority in my to-do list.
By the way, I create a package called voicenote, and:
a wiki page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote
a opkg page : http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html

As you can read in the wiki page
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote#Futur_improvement_.2F_To_do_list ,
there are a lot of things to do, and anyone wich wants to help can !!

thanks for you comment

2009/2/20 Francesco de Virgilio 

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>
> Timo Juhani Lindfors ha scritto:
> > kimaidou  writes:
> >> arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav &
> >
> > Btw, it's useful to add GSM cell information and GPS location
> > information to the filename when it is available.
>
> I think that implementing this the Neo FreeRunner will be the first
> "phone for mappers" (I'm referring to OpenStreetMap). Georeferred voice
> notes could be a coolest feature in a completely open phone to produce
> completely open maps.
>
> Actually, the audio mapping[1] is supported by the main OSM editor,
> JOSM[2], and is the smartest way to collect streets names for bikers.
>
> An important note: it is not necessary for a mapper to have the
> recordings georeferred with latitude and longitude, the audio metadata
> could contain simply the time catched by GPS, and in this way the file
> will be georeferred on a GPX.
>
> In both the cases, again, after TangoGPS (with OSM support) this could
> be the big step to create a phone for mappers.
>
> Good work :)
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Audio_mapping
> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM
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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

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Timo Juhani Lindfors ha scritto:
> kimaidou  writes:
>> arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav &
> 
> Btw, it's useful to add GSM cell information and GPS location
> information to the filename when it is available.

I think that implementing this the Neo FreeRunner will be the first
"phone for mappers" (I'm referring to OpenStreetMap). Georeferred voice
notes could be a coolest feature in a completely open phone to produce
completely open maps.

Actually, the audio mapping[1] is supported by the main OSM editor,
JOSM[2], and is the smartest way to collect streets names for bikers.

An important note: it is not necessary for a mapper to have the
recordings georeferred with latitude and longitude, the audio metadata
could contain simply the time catched by GPS, and in this way the file
will be georeferred on a GPX.

In both the cases, again, after TangoGPS (with OSM support) this could
be the big step to create a phone for mappers.

Good work :)

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Audio_mapping
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM

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Re: connect freerunner with debian to a windows-PC

[Radek Polak]

> Reported this to linux-usb list. Here is url:
> 

Here is answer from David Brownell:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb&m=123507198413197&w=2

I guess i can't do much more with this problem, right?

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[kimaidou]

Very light in fact :D
Thanks !

2009/2/20 Timo Juhani Lindfors 

> kimaidou  writes:
> > I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks
> > from command line with very few memory / cpu use ?
> > For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ?
>
> echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd > gps.log
>
> is what I use. Very memory and cpu efficient.
>
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[onen . om]

If you are interested in getting the position of the cells, this point was
discussed in the thread I pointed out earlier in this thread:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004064.html

Maybe this can help you with your work.

Onen


Quoting Olivier Migeot :

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM,   wrote:
>
> > Any comments?
>
> That's the current position of my script too. But I wanted to log both
> the current cell and the respective levels of the neighbour cells.
> That way, I could try (with a lt of data) to guess the actual
> localization of the tower. Though that part only makes sense in my own
> business, and not necessarily in the general "geolocation by GSM
> data"-thing.
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Yorick Moko]

isn't more data always preferable? you could still decide not to use them...
cells that we are connected to would recieve a higher "precision" off course,

but if I walk five times around in a city, and I never get connected
to a certain cell, but I know a lot of points where that cell is in
range, and a lot of points where it isn't? I don't find it impossible
that one could distill some information from this.

And even a precision of 30km or more helps the assisted gps from
ublox; so neighbouring cells can certainly be of some help, don't you
agree?


y

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM,   wrote:
> For the moment our position is:
>
> We log the cell ids we get connected to.
>
> We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the 
> cells,
> we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells
> even very far. I fear that it would stretch the areas, and thus decrease the
> precision, nullifying the benefit of recording those additional cells.
>
> But, my idea, is to use the neighbour cells, to detect the overlapping region
> among areas of cells I currently see, to improve the precision.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Onen
>
>
> Quoting Yorick Moko :
>
>> excuse me for the spam, but just thought of something else:
>> do you guys also log information about neighbouring cells, like cellhunter
>> does?
>> this might also be interesting when you have gps coordinates
>> the accuracy of the neighbouring cells are much lower ofcourse, but
>> could also provide some very usefull info
>> y
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
>> > And are you guys aware of cellhunter?
>> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter
>> > http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/
>> >
>> > you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the "game" concept
>> > for those interested
>> >
>> > y
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
>> >> Maybe this can help a bit:
>> >> http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
>> >> (click on the first blue link)
>> >>
>> >> it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built
>> >> and those with a building permission)
>> >> if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who
>> >> owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a
>> >> lot of other irrelevant data
>> >> too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the
>> >> documentation :(
>> >>
>> >> y
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
>> >>> Hi, you said
>> >>>
>>  So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
>>  about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
>>  been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
>>  script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
>> >>> that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
>> >>> how openstreetmap extends..)
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks in advance
>> >>>
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[onen . om]

No. If you look correctly at my response, I was responding to the message from
Yorick, about http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html

Onen

Quoting Olivier Migeot :

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM,   wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the
> > license?
>
> You mean data from opencellid? I guess the "raw data" link in their
> menu doesn't fit?
>
> Or try there http://myapp.fr/cellsIdData/
>
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Olivier Migeot]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM,   wrote:

> Any comments?

That's the current position of my script too. But I wanted to log both
the current cell and the respective levels of the neighbour cells.
That way, I could try (with a lt of data) to guess the actual
localization of the tower. Though that part only makes sense in my own
business, and not necessarily in the general "geolocation by GSM
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[onen . om]

For the moment our position is:

We log the cell ids we get connected to.

We do not log the neighbour cells. The reason is: if we are far from the cells,
we will (maybe, this needs experimentation to my point of view) see the cells
even very far. I fear that it would stretch the areas, and thus decrease the
precision, nullifying the benefit of recording those additional cells.

But, my idea, is to use the neighbour cells, to detect the overlapping region
among areas of cells I currently see, to improve the precision.

Any comments?

Onen


Quoting Yorick Moko :

> excuse me for the spam, but just thought of something else:
> do you guys also log information about neighbouring cells, like cellhunter
> does?
> this might also be interesting when you have gps coordinates
> the accuracy of the neighbouring cells are much lower ofcourse, but
> could also provide some very usefull info
> y
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
> > And are you guys aware of cellhunter?
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter
> > http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/
> >
> > you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the "game" concept
> > for those interested
> >
> > y
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
> >> Maybe this can help a bit:
> >> http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
> >> (click on the first blue link)
> >>
> >> it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built
> >> and those with a building permission)
> >> if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who
> >> owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a
> >> lot of other irrelevant data
> >> too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the
> >> documentation :(
> >>
> >> y
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
> >>> Hi, you said
> >>>
>  So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
>  about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
>  been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
>  script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
> >>> that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
> >>> how openstreetmap extends..)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance
> >>>
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Olivier Migeot]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM,   wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the
> license?

You mean data from opencellid? I guess the "raw data" link in their
menu doesn't fit?

Or try there http://myapp.fr/cellsIdData/

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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Olivier Migeot]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou  wrote:

> Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
> that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
> how openstreetmap extends..)
>
> Thanks in advance

Sure I can, I'll try to send something within next days. But it's all
very lame, like writing current cellid/lac and lat/lon in a text file.

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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[onen . om]

I have discovered this project as I was cleaning up my code for release. At
first glance, the differences are:
* It sends direct AT commands to the modem, and parse the responses.
  openBmap relies on freesmartphone.org
* So far they only collect data.
  We already have the Web API available to use the data to get located. Nick has
already done a lot of work to create the GSM coverage areas out of the raw
datas.

But now that I have released my work, I will get in touch with the people at
cellhunter to see if we could cooperate.

Onen

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> And are you guys aware of cellhunter?
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter
> http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/
>
> you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the "game" concept
> for those interested
>
> y
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
> > Maybe this can help a bit:
> > http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
> > (click on the first blue link)
> >
> > it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built
> > and those with a building permission)
> > if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who
> > owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a
> > lot of other irrelevant data
> > too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the
> > documentation :(
> >
> > y
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
> >> Hi, you said
> >>
> >>> So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
> >>> about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
> >>> been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
> >>> script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
> >> that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
> >> how openstreetmap extends..)
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >>
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Re: Community Updates/February 20, 2009 released !

[Mirko Lindner]

Hi,

I can't speak for the whole engineering, but I can bring light on paroli 
and the respective images.

Over the past 7 days we have:

- gotten daily build unstable images which by now boot directly into paroli
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2
http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin

They do come with bugs and issues sometimes critical like today when 
paroli hangs because a resource in the framework is not available at 
paroli launch. This will be gone tomorrow.

- Fixed lots of bugs and issues such as:
-- unicode in message reading
-- loading messages from the SIM and saving incoming messages in the 
phone automatically
-- made all our lists automatically react to changes in items etc
-- gui issues such as the PIN dialog
-- got rid of the green topbar ;)
-- muting ringtone on incoming call
-- muting call in call (also as of tomorrow again)

- moved most of the Milestone two tickets[1] to testing

and

- were feverishly working on the stuff for the next milestone[2]

What are we planning to do next?

- keep on fixing issues in MS2
- continue working towards MS3
- get the kbd to match paroli on the image
- get messaging and contacts up and running as soon as possible to allow 
brave testers to use paroli daily ... any volnteers ? ;)

Hope this is what you were looking for.
If not just give me a ping and I'll spill out more details.

And again if anyone is interested in helping out with paroli, contribute 
code or test or or or ... Let us know!

/mirko

[1] 
http://paroli-project.org/trac/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=closed&status=code_review&status=new&status=reopened&status=testing&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=component&milestone=Milestone+2
[2]
http://paroli-project.org/trac/roadmap

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Nice, thanks everyone who contributed. I just wish the engineering
> news would come back - I don't follow the git changes but I still
> would like to have a clue on what's happening there..
> 
> 
> r

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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[onen . om]

Hi,

I had a look, but did not find a way to download the data? And what is the
license?

The whole point to me, is to have data with a license which lets me download it,
and use it directly on my phone. I don't want to send my GSM coordinate to any
third party on the Web to get my GPS position. It is a matter of privacy.

Onen


Quoting Yorick Moko :

> Maybe this can help a bit:
> http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
> (click on the first blue link)
>
> it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built
> and those with a building permission)
> if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who
> owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a
> lot of other irrelevant data
> too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the
> documentation :(
>
> y
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
> > Hi, you said
> >
> >> So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
> >> about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
> >> been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
> >> script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
> >>
> >
> > Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
> > that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
> > how openstreetmap extends..)
> >
> > Thanks in advance
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Yorick Moko]

excuse me for the spam, but just thought of something else:
do you guys also log information about neighbouring cells, like cellhunter does?
this might also be interesting when you have gps coordinates
the accuracy of the neighbouring cells are much lower ofcourse, but
could also provide some very usefull info
y

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
> And are you guys aware of cellhunter?
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter
> http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/
>
> you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the "game" concept
> for those interested
>
> y
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
>> Maybe this can help a bit:
>> http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
>> (click on the first blue link)
>>
>> it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built
>> and those with a building permission)
>> if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who
>> owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a
>> lot of other irrelevant data
>> too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the
>> documentation :(
>>
>> y
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
>>> Hi, you said
>>>
 So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
 about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
 been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
 script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.

>>>
>>> Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
>>> that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
>>> how openstreetmap extends..)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[onen . om]

Hi,

here is the post of the thread I pointed out earlier explaining why this is not
clear at all, and why we have tried to reach the people behind opencellid.org
(without any success).

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-January/004161.html


The logo is placed next to the copyright for the website, so it could also stand
for the license of the website...


This dates back to January. Now to my understanding, the sentence (which is new
to me):
"The data are available under the "Creative Common" license." which points to
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ lets me think it is now ok.

Onen

Quoting Olivier Migeot :

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
>  wrote:
>
> > There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial
> > use, some don't.
>
> If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said "Creative
> Commons" licence chosed by OpenCellID is :
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
>
> So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
> about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
> been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
> script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Yorick Moko]

And are you guys aware of cellhunter?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter
http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/

you could work together, and maybe also incorporate the "game" concept
for those interested

y

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:
> Maybe this can help a bit:
> http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
> (click on the first blue link)
>
> it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built
> and those with a building permission)
> if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who
> owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a
> lot of other irrelevant data
> too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the
> documentation :(
>
> y
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
>> Hi, you said
>>
>>> So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
>>> about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
>>> been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
>>> script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
>>>
>>
>> Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
>> that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
>> how openstreetmap extends..)
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

kimaidou  writes:
> I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks
> from command line with very few memory / cpu use ?
> For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ?

echo rw | netcat localhost gpsd > gps.log

is what I use. Very memory and cpu efficient.


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Re: [FYP]

[HouYu Li]

I did. Not finger friendly except "zhone"

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Tony Berth wrote:

> did anyone tried FYP already?
>
> Cheers
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Yorick Moko]

Maybe this can help a bit:
http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexfr1.html
(click on the first blue link)

it wil display a map of belgium, with all cell towers (already built
and those with a building permission)
if you click on a dot, you can get a pdf with information about who
owns the tower, where it it placed, how many antenna's are on it and a
lot of other irrelevant data
too bad that as far as i can see the cellID is not included in the
documentation :(

y

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:49 PM, kimaidou  wrote:
> Hi, you said
>
>> So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
>> about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
>> been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
>> script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
>>
>
> Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
> that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
> how openstreetmap extends..)
>
> Thanks in advance
>
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[kimaidou]

Hi all

I would like to knwo if there was a gps tool which could save gps tracks
from command line with very few memory / cpu use ?
For OM, SHR or debian based distribution ?

It could be great to activate a "GPS only" mode wich turn off GSM, Wifi,
etc. and all the librairy running which are useless for only gps tracking.
The best would be a specific distribution ?

kimaidou

2009/2/20 Yorick Moko 

> last time i tested it (been some time)
> i was able to get around 8hours of gps tracking
> using tangogps, screen almost constantly dimmed
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Francesco de Virgilio
>  wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > David Garabana Barro ha scritto:
> >> You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR.
> >>
> >> With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had
> about
> >> 50% battery.
> >>
> >> battery life is improving a lot!
> >
> > The GPS tracking is not a problem, since I'm going to buy a Garmin
> > GPSMap 60Csx (battery life around 20h of tracking with 2 AA batteries)
> > because I need also a good routing device. The real "problem" is that
> > for my complicated day 15h life with a "normal" use of the phone is too
> few.
> >
> > My last mail was finalized to find a pretty way to improve the life of
> > my FR. This is the way. I think that SHR unstable + the Rechargeable USB
> > Emergency Power Backup Pack suggested by Timo Juhani Lindfors
> >
> >> You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery
> >>
> >> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060
> >>
> >> is only $14.43. I don't think this lets you use it for 3 days but it
> >> will at least make it 12 instead of 6 hours.
> >
> > should work for me.
> >
> > However, also a good wifi roaming device could be interesting... is
> > there a way to get the SHR unstable connect to open wifi networks around
> > the streets?
> >
> > Thanks to all for the hints :)
> > - --
> > Francesco de Virgilio
> > *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor*
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> >   http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Yorick Moko]

last time i tested it (been some time)
i was able to get around 8hours of gps tracking
using tangogps, screen almost constantly dimmed

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Francesco de Virgilio
 wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> David Garabana Barro ha scritto:
>> You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR.
>>
>> With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about
>> 50% battery.
>>
>> battery life is improving a lot!
>
> The GPS tracking is not a problem, since I'm going to buy a Garmin
> GPSMap 60Csx (battery life around 20h of tracking with 2 AA batteries)
> because I need also a good routing device. The real "problem" is that
> for my complicated day 15h life with a "normal" use of the phone is too few.
>
> My last mail was finalized to find a pretty way to improve the life of
> my FR. This is the way. I think that SHR unstable + the Rechargeable USB
> Emergency Power Backup Pack suggested by Timo Juhani Lindfors
>
>> You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery
>>
>> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060
>>
>> is only $14.43. I don't think this lets you use it for 3 days but it
>> will at least make it 12 instead of 6 hours.
>
> should work for me.
>
> However, also a good wifi roaming device could be interesting... is
> there a way to get the SHR unstable connect to open wifi networks around
> the streets?
>
> Thanks to all for the hints :)
> - --
> Francesco de Virgilio
> *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor*
>   mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org
>   http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio
> *Wikimedia Italia Member*
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[kimaidou]

Hi, you said

So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
> about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
> been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
> script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
>
>
Could you please make a wiki page and put + explain your script for doing
that ? I think we can go very fast if anyone can use them (thinking about
how openstreetmap extends..)

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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Olivier Migeot]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
 wrote:

> There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial
> use, some don't.

If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said "Creative
Commons" licence chosed by OpenCellID is :
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.

Thanks.

-- 
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[FYP]

[Tony Berth]

did anyone tried FYP already?

Cheers

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