Re: [om2009] - opkg update opkg upgrade fork failed
Greetings earthlings Some errors I collected from upgrading the om2009 testing image , maybe it's usefull for later images ? Error : Upgrading paroli on root from 0.2.1+gitr91+ba44a8738f444f6ca3ff42a4173d9178e4202b04-r9 to 0.2.1+gitr94+8800d8d645b21499259e6a2d0fb4a45562a8f9bd-r11... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr94+8800d8d645b21499259e6a2d0fb4a45562a8f9bd-r11_armv4t.ipk opkg: fork failed Segmentation fault Fixed by doing : r...@om-gta02:~# opkg upgrade paroli Upgrading paroli on root from 0.2.1+gitr91+ba44a8738f444f6ca3ff42a4173d9178e4202b04-r9 to 0.2.1+gitr94+8800d8d645b21499259e6a2d0fb4a45562a8f9bd-r11... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr94+8800d8d645b21499259e6a2d0fb4a45562a8f9bd-r11_armv4t.ipk Configuration file '/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/paroli_rules.yaml' == File on system created by you or by a script. == File also in package provided by package maintainer. What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: Y or I : install the package maintainer's version N or O : keep your currently-installed version D : show the differences between the versions (if diff is installed) The default action is to keep your current version. *** paroli_rules.yaml (Y/I/N/O/D) [default=N] ?D Looks like it cannot trap the questions . Other errors when upgrading : Collected errors: * Package libelementary-themes wants to install file /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj But that file is already provided by package * paroli * Package paroli-theme wants to install file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj But that file is already provided by package * e-wm-theme-illume * Package paroli-theme wants to install file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/config/illume/module.illume.cfg But that file is already provided by package * e-wm-config-illume * Package paroli-theme wants to install file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/config/illume/e.cfg But that file is already provided by package * e-wm-config-illume r...@om-gta02:~# ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
A new version is available that fixes the issue with incoming phonenumbers being parsed wrong (was a typo of me): http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090416.tgz . The new list with bugs is now at: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qt-issues.txt Hi Franky, thanks for all the great work! i will test it during this weekend, cheers -- Petr Vaněk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] how to import contacts
Hi all, I'm running qtextended improved as explained by Franky in the post [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7; I need to import my contacts (from vcf formats) in order to use it as a daily phone and to make some test. I'm trying to use the addressbook command as i have prepared all my contacts into one large vcf file, then i sent it over to qte via bluetooth. worked like a charm. -- Petr Vaněk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: eBay SIM card - More than one phone number?
Am Fr 17. April 2009 schrieb Pablo Miño: Dear friends, I saw in eBay a 6-in-1 SIM card, they say that it can store up to 6 SIM in the chip. Is it possible to have 6 active phone numbers in one device using this card? Some how you should transfer each SIM information to this special card. Is it possible to copy one SIM into another? Thank you very much. Nope, not with contemporary simcards. You can't readout the authentication key. AFAIK. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
Petr Vanek schrieb: A new version is available that fixes the issue with incoming phonenumbers being parsed wrong (was a typo of me): http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090416.tgz . The new list with bugs is now at: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qt-issues.txt Hi Franky, Hi List, first of all, thanks for this great release, i killed my native QTExtended for your version and doesnt regret it. Phoning works, SMS send/recieve works, Alarm works (important for me :)), its daily-usable for me. But there are some questions i need to ask. The only working kernel for me is the FSO uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin kernel, any other kernel/modules combination gives me a blinking cursor in the upper left on black screen after boot. But with this kernel i have a resume time from about 4secs, is this normal, or can i tweak it somehow? Is it possible that you can provide us with patches for small changes like the bin-only ones? I hope i dont have to download ~30mb and copy them every time. Again, thanks for your great work. Sascha ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
Hi Franky, A new version is available that fixes the issue with incoming phonenumbers being parsed wrong (was a typo of me): http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090416.tgz . I installed it yesterday, the phone number bug is indeed gone now. Great response time! Roland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (FYP) No input method?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Paul p...@nlpagan.net wrote: I loaded FYP on my Freerunner, and I am rather impressed with what I saw. Hi Paul, Yes, it is very interesting; It has inspired me to start a webpage where I am putting some help files for simple-minded folk like myself. I hope to add more to it as I learn more about the FYP.I like it the best of the many images i have tried, but there is a long way to go with the many settings available. Also the phone part is not yet going for me. There is a pinball game which I suppose uses the accelerometers and is the first to have tempted me in many years. I couldn't turn it off; I did try the wifi, and it picked up my network's name, I have no more time now; but others please try this and perhaps the authors will make a newer one. http://home.exetel.com.au/claregj clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
joa...@verona.se wrote: I once modified a laptop by removing the backlighting from the screen. That made it possible to read the screen by using the sun as a backlight source. Maybe something similar can be done to the Freerunner? A laptop display is hinged, the FR display is not. Now, you can probably work the FR display loose and tilt it up. Leave the original backlight in the case. Use a mirror arrangement to get a sun backlight. Some case modding will be necessary, but the big question is if display cabling will work with this. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Debian] on Freerunner feed back
Hello Freerunners, I have been using a Freerunner under Debian for one month. It is not yet fully usable, but I am still working on it. 1.GSM Zhone works not too bad. I have applied the patch to use a VCARD file but the dial button does not work anymore (it works with contacts on the SIM card). I have tried scripts to import a VCF file into the SIM card without success. I am not yet very aware of the dbus system to write my own Python script. I have some bugs with SMS - the phone does not ring when I receive a message and the messages are always written as unread (until I reboot the phone). 2.PIM I have tried: -osmo: not recurrent events, no alarm (only for tasks) -pimlico: not recurrent events, no alarm but uses Evolution's back-end -GPE apps: fully functional apps but require gpesyncd for synchronisation - not available in the debian repositories 2.PIM SYNC -osmo: not tried -GPE apps: not tried - see below -pimlico method 1: *contacts: imported successfully from a VCF file *tasks: not tried yet *dates: merged the ICAL files from Evolution and dates successfully (using a custom Python script) -pimlico method 2: *successfully synchronised Evolution's contacts tasks and calendar with a Scheduleworld account using syncevolution (repository: deb http://www.estamos.de/download/apt stable main). I could not manage to sync the Freerunner due to a missing dependency with syncevolution-evolution (problem with the repository?). 3.GPS TangoGPS works well. I have not tried Navit yet. 4.WIFI Does not work yet (wifi-radar - wicd) - I think I have a dependency problem... 5.ACCELEROMETER Works well - I have tried it with the mokomaze game (apt-get install it) 6.AUTOROTATE SCREEN Simple rotate freezes my freerunner with XGLAMO. What I would like to do: -find a usable configuration to use a PIM suite (synchronized with my desktop PC) to replace my Palm TE2. -configure the WIFI -install Navit and buy reiseplaner maps -make the autorotate work -make Zhone fully usable I would like to know I somebody could have a fully functional freerunner under debian ? Thanks in advance for your answers. Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
Hi, On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Sascha Gering ha...@gmx.li wrote: Petr Vanek schrieb: A new version is available that fixes the issue with incoming phonenumbers being parsed wrong (was a typo of me): http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090416.tgz . The new list with bugs is now at: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qt-issues.txt Hi Franky, Hi List, first of all, thanks for this great release, i killed my native QTExtended for your version and doesnt regret it. Phoning works, SMS send/recieve works, Alarm works (important for me :)), its daily-usable for me. But there are some questions i need to ask. The only working kernel for me is the FSO uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin kernel, any other kernel/modules combination gives me a blinking cursor in the upper left on black screen after boot. I use this: # http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr6+9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12-r3-om-gta02.bin # Get fso-console-image from: # http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090404/ Does this kernel not work for you then? Remember that after flashing, you need to reboot *twice* ... But with this kernel i have a resume time from about 4secs, is this normal, or can i tweak it somehow? I have that as well, maybe just 3 secs, but anyway :-) Is it possible that you can provide us with patches for small changes like the bin-only ones? I hope i dont have to download ~30mb and copy them every time. sorry, but for now, I try to bring out what I've got sofar, sometimes I don't know which binaries changed, so this is easier for me. I always use my own install script even :-) Once everything is more stable, this will change of course. Again, thanks for your great work. Sascha glad you like it. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
16th community update released
Dear All, The 16th community update has been released. There has been lot more activity these weeks with the news of future release schedule and feature list of Om2009,Kernel milestone list for a stable kernel,new mailing list for GTA03 ideas and much more. Read on. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009 I being fairly new to Openmoko, decided to take an interview of Wolfgang Spraul to post for the community update.This answered the questions I had on what work we would be doing post GTA03 suspension,where we are heading to,improvements and setbacks we as a company faced and more generally his views on open source.This helps me understand the process and company much more.I hope this interests some others too. Enjoy reading! 1) What is your background, for example your previous work? Tons of software, from filesystem drivers (MacOpener) to mobile applications (Documents To Go). Was involved in total failures (TI Advantra), a .com business (3Box in Germany), and 12 years with DataViz in Connecticut where I learnt an unbelievable amount of good stuff! When you start working somewhere, make sure you can learn something, and there are people you can learn from. I was just lucky. So I was coding pretty much every day of my life since I was 12 years old, for about 20 years until early 2007 when I took 6 months off to think about a new direction. 2) How did you get involved with Openmoko? I was following OpenEZX, and one day Harald (whom I had never met in person at that time) emails me saying he got an invitation to go to Taiwan for some phone project. I was sitting in DataViz's Connecticut office and thought wow - where is Taiwan and how come they are doing Linux phones there?. This was before Openmoko was started, maybe early 2006 or so. From then on it took quite some time, I had a lot of work to finish at DataViz, Harald introduced me to Sean whom I met for the first time at Paulaner in Shanghai in September 2006, for some good German beer and sausage :-) I finally joined full-time in August 2007 or so. 3) There is no shortage of recent fluctuation at Openmoko. What improvements or set backs have you seen since the project was initially launched? Oh wow. Too many, a book should be written ;-) Improvements were made mostly in Western software engineers understanding the Eastern hardware development environment and culture much better. So many people visited Taipei, we have a 4-bedroom apartment for visiting FOSS developers, we have shuffled so many people to SMT factories, our factory in Suzhou, etc. Vice versa, the English skills in our Taipei office have improved a lot (we hired a teacher). By now we must have one of the best English-speaking teams in Taiwan or China... Setbacks? It took us forever to get the buzz and other audio issues fixed, and until today we cannot really deliver it into the field. Distributors like Tuxbrain help us improve the situation, but we should have done better in the first place. Another one - although we realized 'lack of focus' and never-ending changes to GTA03 early on, we were unable to stop it, until it was too late and the whole design was ruined. 4) What is your take on Android? Great stuff. Google knows what they are doing, they have some of the brightest and best people in the industry. The challenge I see for them now is to demonstrate the cost savings that are typically associated with open source to their device manufacturing Hold Dena Bank with a target of Rs 43-50 and keep a stop loss of Rs 36, says Simi Bhaumik, technical analyst, on Zee Business. The stock is currently trading at Rs 40, up 9.1% on the BSE. » Send to friends partners. Right now I believe many OEMs are overwhelmed by the complexity of Android, and the furious pace at which it is developed. But over time Google will figure this out, and I believe Android will become a spectacular success. The first real 'network operating system' to me. Will show up in netbooks, notebooks, portable media players, digital picture frames, etc. And Google has a functioning business model behind it too, so the party can go on for a while. Lots of good open source software is written, maybe over time the community finds out how to extract and cut the best pieces into more modular libraries and packages. 5) There is a variety of opinions on what is 'open' these days. What is your definition of an open device? Most normal end users I talk to think that open means that a lot of interesting applications can easily be installed on a device. In that sense I believe that the Apple iPhone is leading the pack in 'openness' right now since they invest a ton of money and brains into their SDK/IDE, APIs, libraries, etc. And amazing applications come out of it. A second, older definition is the classical 'open' as in 100% Free Software. Openmoko extended this even further by also releasing mechanical CAD files under a Creative
Re: [QtExtended] how to import contacts
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: Hi all, I'm running qtextended improved as explained by Franky in the post [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7; I need to import my contacts (from vcf formats) in order to use it as a daily phone and to make some test. I'm trying to use the addressbook command as i have prepared all my contacts into one large vcf file, then i sent it over to qte via bluetooth. worked like a charm. yeah, but bluetooth only works at startup, not after suspend (for me anyway ...) Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
Hi all, I know boot speed and resume speed is influenced by kernel boot parameters: the more kernel/debug messages displayed (on rather slow framebuffer), the slower the device will boot/resume. Might want to compare boot params (cat /proc/cmdline , look for loglevel= and console= ) F. On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:30:02 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: Hi, On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Sascha Gering ha...@gmx.li wrote: Petr Vanek schrieb: A new version is available that fixes the issue with incoming phonenumbers being parsed wrong (was a typo of me): http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090416.tgz . The new list with bugs is now at: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qt-issues.txt Hi Franky, Hi List, first of all, thanks for this great release, i killed my native QTExtended for your version and doesnt regret it. Phoning works, SMS send/recieve works, Alarm works (important for me :)), its daily-usable for me. But there are some questions i need to ask. The only working kernel for me is the FSO uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin kernel, any other kernel/modules combination gives me a blinking cursor in the upper left on black screen after boot. I use this: # http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr6+9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12-r3-om-gta02.bin # Get fso-console-image from: # http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090404/ Does this kernel not work for you then? Remember that after flashing, you need to reboot *twice* ... But with this kernel i have a resume time from about 4secs, is this normal, or can i tweak it somehow? I have that as well, maybe just 3 secs, but anyway :-) Is it possible that you can provide us with patches for small changes like the bin-only ones? I hope i dont have to download ~30mb and copy them every time. sorry, but for now, I try to bring out what I've got sofar, sometimes I don't know which binaries changed, so this is easier for me. I always use my own install script even :-) Once everything is more stable, this will change of course. Again, thanks for your great work. Sascha glad you like it. Franky -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 7
Hi Filip, Here is my output: r...@muhko:~# cat /proc/cmdline loglevel=4 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init ro mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x0004(qi),0x0004(depr-ub-env),0x0080(kernel),0x000a(depr),0x0004(identity-ext2),0x0f6a(rootfs) g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:6D:2E g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:6D:2E rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 r...@muhko:~# cat /boot/append-GTA02 rw rootdelay=5 loglevel=1 quiet Hmm, why is there a loglevel=4 in my cmdline, but loglevel=1 in my append file? Sascha Filip Onkelinx schrieb: Hi all, I know boot speed and resume speed is influenced by kernel boot parameters: the more kernel/debug messages displayed (on rather slow framebuffer), the slower the device will boot/resume. Might want to compare boot params (cat /proc/cmdline , look for loglevel= and console= ) F. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (FYP) No input method?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Paul p...@nlpagan.net wrote: Unfortunately I cannot find a keyboard in it (I loaded release 3.01 on it). Someone have a good idea for this? Paul Try pressing the AUX button Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (FYP) No input method?
Try pressing the AUX button WOOT! That is where it is hiding!! Thanks! -- To solve big problems you have to be willing to do unpopular things. -Lee Iacocca http://www.nlpagan.net MHC - Mandriva 2009.0, Ubuntu 8.10, EasyPeasy 1.1rc2 (Before printing this mail: consider the environment!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - opkg update opkg upgrade fork failed
Joseph Reeves schreef: Known bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2271 pkill paroli pkill frameworkd opkg update opkg upgrade fixes it. Joseph Great ! thx , When I first booted it had another error about not beeing able to start namend or something . Is that also a known bug ? Cheerio's , Blokkie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - opkg update opkg upgrade fork failed
I've not seen that one. Have a search and report if it's new ;) https://docs.openmoko.org/trac Cheers, Joseph 2009/4/17 blokkie blok...@h0m3.be: Joseph Reeves schreef: Known bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2271 pkill paroli pkill frameworkd opkg update opkg upgrade fixes it. Joseph Great ! thx , When I first booted it had another error about not beeing able to start namend or something . Is that also a known bug ? Cheerio's , Blokkie ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] on Freerunner feed back
Thomas Bellembois a écrit : Hi Thomas, 1.GSM 2.PIM Not stable enough to use as daily phone, so I didn't test zhone others fully enough to comment. Anyway, thank you for these comments, i'd love to use it eventually ! 3.GPS TangoGPS works well. I have not tried Navit yet. Same here. I don't know if it's due to kernel (andy - 2.6.29) but I manage to get fixes even when I don't hope so (in my office, 4 meters from the window). 4.WIFI Does not work yet (wifi-radar - wicd) - I think I have a dependency problem... No real problem here, I use wicd. It works quite well, but is quite slow... What I did actually : 1) Installed wicd (apt-get install wicd) 2) removed wicd from start-up (with update-rc) 3) in the openmoko-panel-plugin, I put in post-activate : /etc/init.d/wicd start; wicd-client pre-deactivate: /etc/init.d/wicd stop; pkill wicd-client With this, when you activate wifi from om-panek-plugin, known networks are automatically connected (if told so in wicd), wicd client shows an icon in the tray. And when you disable it, everything shuts down. 5.ACCELEROMETER Works well - I have tried it with the mokomaze game (apt-get install it) With last kernel, since it's EV_ABS instead of EV_REL, applications like mokomaze have to be modified. Beyond that, accelerometers work well for me, too. 6.AUTOROTATE SCREEN Simple rotate freezes my freerunner with XGLAMO. No auto-rotate, just a rotate application that I launch from the menu. Sometimes works, sometimes not. I hade to put What I would like to do: -find a usable configuration to use a PIM suite (synchronized with my desktop PC) to replace my Palm TE2. So would I ! I would like to know I somebody could have a fully functional freerunner under debian ? Thanks in advance for your answers. With more time, I'd like it to be fully functionnal =) What windowmanager/panels system are you using ? I'm using matchbox-wm + LXDE (not the best, but fast enough). Regards, -- Christophe Badoit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] on Freerunner feed back
Christophe Badoit a écrit : 6.AUTOROTATE SCREEN Simple rotate freezes my freerunner with XGLAMO. No auto-rotate, just a rotate application that I launch from the menu. Sometimes works, sometimes not. I hade to put Sorry, I didn't finished the line :) I had to put Xft.dpi: 96 in my ~/.Xresources , to prevent the dpi to mess with the fonts after rotations. -- Christophe Badoit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] on Freerunner feed back
Hey Thomas, Thomas Bellembois wrote: I would like to know I somebody could have a fully functional freerunner under debian ? Thanks in advance for your answers. You might want to try hackable:1, which is really Debian with Om2007 telephony software: http://www.hackable1.org/ Cheers, -- Pierre Pronchery, Hackable devices RD, Bearstech email: ppronch...@bearstech.com 42 boulevard Sébastopol PGP: AE49 5F7D D56A 4BD6 7B1F 75003 Paris, France 8655 125C 0FE6 5566 EBD8 Web: http://bearstech.com Phone: +49 177 472 7481 Phone: +33 6 71 62 42 74 Fax: +49 304 208 1861 Fax: +33 1 42 72 20 03 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Hey Bram, Bram Neijt wrote: When I tried hackable:1 it did not contain a dialer and had no basic phone functionality, but I will be giving it another try in the near future. That's strange, all of our stable releases have always included the dialer. Maybe you tried a daily build? They're not the same yet... HTH, -- khorben On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 23:19 +0200, Cedric Cellier wrote: If you'd prefer using Qt or GTK, both have dedicated distros. For instance, hackable:1 is the continuation of the initial OpenMoko software stack that was based on GTK. As to why openmoko guys decided one day to sacrifice all the work already done with GTK and to go for a plain new framework, well you should as well ask Why those Moai on the Easter island ? :-) -- Pierre Pronchery, Hackable devices RD, Bearstech email: ppronch...@bearstech.com 42 boulevard Sébastopol PGP: AE49 5F7D D56A 4BD6 7B1F 75003 Paris, France 8655 125C 0FE6 5566 EBD8 Web: http://bearstech.com Phone: +49 177 472 7481 Phone: +33 6 71 62 42 74 Fax: +49 304 208 1861 Fax: +33 1 42 72 20 03 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2009] - opkg update opkg upgrade fork failed
Known bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2271 pkill paroli pkill frameworkd opkg update opkg upgrade fixes it. Joseph 2009/4/17 blokkie blok...@h0m3.be: Greetings earthlings Some errors I collected from upgrading the om2009 testing image , maybe it's usefull for later images ? Error : Upgrading paroli on root from 0.2.1+gitr91+ba44a8738f444f6ca3ff42a4173d9178e4202b04-r9 to 0.2.1+gitr94+8800d8d645b21499259e6a2d0fb4a45562a8f9bd-r11... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr94+8800d8d645b21499259e6a2d0fb4a45562a8f9bd-r11_armv4t.ipk opkg: fork failed Segmentation fault Fixed by doing : r...@om-gta02:~# opkg upgrade paroli Upgrading paroli on root from 0.2.1+gitr91+ba44a8738f444f6ca3ff42a4173d9178e4202b04-r9 to 0.2.1+gitr94+8800d8d645b21499259e6a2d0fb4a45562a8f9bd-r11... Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/paroli_0.2.1+gitr94+8800d8d645b21499259e6a2d0fb4a45562a8f9bd-r11_armv4t.ipk Configuration file '/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/paroli_rules.yaml' == File on system created by you or by a script. == File also in package provided by package maintainer. What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: Y or I : install the package maintainer's version N or O : keep your currently-installed version D : show the differences between the versions (if diff is installed) The default action is to keep your current version. *** paroli_rules.yaml (Y/I/N/O/D) [default=N] ?D Looks like it cannot trap the questions . Other errors when upgrading : Collected errors: * Package libelementary-themes wants to install file /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj But that file is already provided by package * paroli * Package paroli-theme wants to install file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj But that file is already provided by package * e-wm-theme-illume * Package paroli-theme wants to install file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/config/illume/module.illume.cfg But that file is already provided by package * e-wm-config-illume * Package paroli-theme wants to install file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/config/illume/e.cfg But that file is already provided by package * e-wm-config-illume r...@om-gta02:~# ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] Using fso-image instead of fso-paroli
Le 14350ième jour après Epoch, Angus Ainslie écrivait: I also use the fso-image, to autolaunch just opkg install paroli-autostart On my first try, this was unsuccessful, but on second one, it works. 2) How to stop/start Paroli? I use the cross-icon (like for other apps), but paroli still running, I must kill it from ssh. Please add a bug Done. 3) Must I restart frameworkd (/etc/init.d/framework restart) for new ringtone to be taken into account? Just make sure the ringtone isn't mp3, there is no mp3 support in the OM distro. Doesn't work... I've tried a second test, and I need to restart frameworkd for new config files to be taken into account. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Arabic translation please
Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Dear list, I have seen that the default font used by Openmoko (at least from Java (Jalimo) apps) is very rich and supports the Arabic alphabet, so it's relatively easy to translate any app. Will someone please translate the attached little dictionary into the Arabic language? It's just 50 words or so. If it's possible, I'd like a version that can be understood in all the Arabic-speaking world, from Casablanca to Oman ;-) Simply open the attached file with OpenOffice, translate, save and send back. I'll then encode the characters conveniently. The goal is having this screenshot in Arabic instead of Hebrew: http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/exo1.png A few points to consider: * The Hebrew in the screen shot is all mangled. Some of the text appears correctly, and some is not reversed, resulting in an image that is fairly far from readable. * The best place I know of to find Arabic speaking FOSS related activity is project Arabeyes - http://arabeyes.org/. Sadly, it appears that the project is fairly inactive for some time now. Good luck Shachar Hello, I know window titles are reversed because of the incoherency of SWT controls - I'll just reverse the words in the dictionary ;), but I think the short words inside the window are perfectly readable. Which part do you fail to read? Having a label to the right or to the left of the drop-down is very important in Hebrew? Regards, Juan Lucas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Arabic translation please
Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Dear list, I have seen that the default font used by Openmoko (at least from Java (Jalimo) apps) is very rich and supports the Arabic alphabet, so it's relatively easy to translate any app. Will someone please translate the attached little dictionary into the Arabic language? It's just 50 words or so. If it's possible, I'd like a version that can be understood in all the Arabic-speaking world, from Casablanca to Oman ;-) Simply open the attached file with OpenOffice, translate, save and send back. I'll then encode the characters conveniently. The goal is having this screenshot in Arabic instead of Hebrew: http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/exo1.png A few points to consider: * The Hebrew in the screen shot is all mangled. Some of the text appears correctly, and some is not reversed, resulting in an image that is fairly far from readable. * The best place I know of to find Arabic speaking FOSS related activity is project Arabeyes - http://arabeyes.org/. Sadly, it appears that the project is fairly inactive for some time now. Good luck Shachar Hello, I know window titles are reversed because of the incoherency of SWT controls - I'll just reverse the words in the dictionary ;), but I think the short words inside the window are perfectly readable. Which part do you fail to read? Having a label to the right or to the left of the drop-down is very important in Hebrew? Regards, Juan Lucas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr - messages + wsod
it is back :( I just tried with the latest image and kernel and WSOD is there! Thanks Tony On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Vinzenz Hersche hers...@puzzle.ch wrote: hey nelson, yes, i'm shure.. it's not a lot, but sometimes it appears.. :/ there was also a mail in the mailing list, called wsod is back with the same expiriences.. think, it was before 2 weeks.. hope, in the stable release, wsod is dead forever :) greets On Donnerstag 16 April 2009 17:58:44 Nelson Castillo wrote: Hello Vinzenz. Are you sure about the WSOD? I just tested the latest GTA02 kernel with SHR unstable and suspend/resume worked as expected. openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090414-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Nelson.- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
That could very well be what went wrong. I'll put hackable:1 on my list and if I experience problems, I'll let you know. Thanks! Bram On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 13:19 +0200, Pierre Pronchery wrote: When I tried hackable:1 it did not contain a dialer and had no basic phone functionality, but I will be giving it another try in the near future. That's strange, all of our stable releases have always included the dialer. Maybe you tried a daily build? They're not the same yet... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] on Freerunner feed back
A few mailings back I was told that Zhone is never going to be a proper dialer. Zhone is ment to be a debugging and feature testing application for the FSO framework. I don't think patching Zhone is going to be of any use. I don't know if there is anybody in the debian community who is going to stand up and say: these are the apps we should be working on and this is what the gui should look like. I may even start a thread about that in a few months. I think if you like Edj (the e gui stuff) then you should focus on getting Paroli ported to debian as that is going to be the default for Om2009. (Somebody may even already be working on this) Also, personally, I think screen locking is more important then auto rotating, but any help is welcome. Happy hacking! Bram On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 11:20 +0200, Thomas Bellembois wrote: What I would like to do: -find a usable configuration to use a PIM suite (synchronized with my desktop PC) to replace my Palm TE2. -configure the WIFI -install Navit and buy reiseplaner maps -make the autorotate work -make Zhone fully usable I would like to know I somebody could have a fully functional freerunner under debian ? Thanks in advance for your answers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] on Freerunner feed back
A few mailings back I was told that Zhone is never going to be a proper dialer. Zhone is ment to be a debugging and feature testing application for the FSO framework. I don't think patching Zhone is going to be of any use. that might be as it will, but so far zhone seems to be the only dialer available for debian based systems -- the limitations imposed upon zhone by the fso developers are not meant to hinder you, to improve it for your needs. i consider developing a dialer gui since i have to do a gui project as part of my corresponce courses, but that's not decided yet. and, yes, i knwo what someone is going to say -- but those projects are meant to do something from scratch, not participate in others developments. I don't know if there is anybody in the debian community who is going to stand up and say: these are the apps we should be working on and this is what the gui should look like. who is supposed to know that? if you think, there should be _one_ list of apps to necessary and _one_ look'n'feel, you'd better switch to one of the more focused projects like shr or 200X. debian is about a huge pool of options, be it desktop managers, toolkits or apps, not streamlining all efforts into _one_. I may even start a thread about that in a few months. well, why not yet? you seem to have some rather clear ideas, given your remarks. I think if you like Edj (the e gui stuff) then you should focus on getting Paroli ported to debian as that is going to be the default for Om2009. (Somebody may even already be working on this) iirc the enlightment stuff is not yet fully available in debian, but work is going on. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 16th community update released
Thanks, great interview. On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:34 +0800 sushama sush...@openmoko.com wrote: --snip-- I being fairly new to Openmoko, decided to take an interview of Wolfgang Spraul to post for the community update.This answered the questions I had on what work we would be doing post GTA03 suspension,where we are heading to,improvements and setbacks we as a company faced and more generally his views on open source.This helps me understand the process and company much more.I hope this interests some others too. Enjoy reading! --interview-- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
The Digital Pioneer wrote: I'm not sure where it gets the zone from, but if someone knows a way to sync from GSM without screwing up the TZ, I'd love to hear it. Hi, GSM can't be used as a time source, only as a zone source. That's what i understand when i look at otimed.py: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py;h=8f57a80667abaabc7b77bfdaa95d572a880602e8;hb=HEAD time sources: GPS and/or NTP zone sources: GSM Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
...Which makes the FR pretty much the only phone in the USA that doesn't get its time from the network... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Friday 17 April 2009 18:03:51 The Digital Pioneer wrote: ...Which makes the FR pretty much the only phone in the USA that doesn't get its time from the network... I thought get time from network is cdma feature. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Friday 17 April 2009 17:03:51 The Digital Pioneer wrote: ...Which makes the FR pretty much the only phone in the USA that doesn't get its time from the network... I have not seeing you answering http://www.mail- archive.com/de...@lists.openmoko.org/msg02181.html ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I have no idea how, I just know that pretty much every phone in the USA syncs time from the network. They also change timezones automatically. Michael Lauer: Not entirely sure what that page is saying... Is it saying we don't know exactly how to get time from the network? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Friday 17 April 2009 17:30:37 The Digital Pioneer wrote: Michael Lauer: Not entirely sure what that page is saying... Is it saying we don't know exactly how to get time from the network? Once someone sends me an unsolicited response code from a FreeRunner that shows that the network sent the a timezone report, I will add support for it in ogsmd. Open mickeyterm and issue AT%CTZV=1. Then, wait for any %CTZV messages coming in. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Thomas Seiler wrote: Hi, Why enlightenment? | You see things; and you say, 'Why?' | But I dream things that never were; and I say, Why not? |George Bernard Shaw, Thumbs up, here! It was my reply too (Shaw, you only come up before! :P). By the way if I can give my idea, the switch to Enlightenment has been the best decision ever taken by Openmoko imho. This made (or helped) Illume and Elementary to born, giving us a superior GUI system (both from the usability and look point of view). I don't really understand why E shouldn't be used. It has demonstrate to be the best one, so far. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Am Freitag, 17. April 2009 17:43:03 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: On Friday 17 April 2009 17:30:37 The Digital Pioneer wrote: Michael Lauer: Not entirely sure what that page is saying... Is it saying we don't know exactly how to get time from the network? Once someone sends me an unsolicited response code from a FreeRunner that shows that the network sent the a timezone report, I will add support for it in ogsmd. Open mickeyterm and issue AT%CTZV=1. Then, wait for any %CTZV messages coming in. :M: In Alice/Hansenet's network I don't get any response to AT%CTZV=1: d-a318:~/pyhelpers/mickeyterm# ./mickeyterm --- Mickey's Term V2.9.3 @ /dev/pts/4 --- AT-Command Interpreter ready AT+CMEE=2;+CRC=1 OK AT%CTZV=1 AT%CTZV=1 OK Waited for over 2 minutes now. I think this corresponds to your findings. So you actually need someone in the USA to test this? (Finally the enlightenment has come...) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I am in USA, on ATT's 3G network (I think) and I never got a response either... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr - messages + wsod
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com wrote: it is back :( I just tried with the latest image and kernel and WSOD is there! I see. WSOD could be device specific. Could you try this kernel? http://wiki.emqbit.com/tmp/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-9c4451ff31b937a4.bin It doesn't include a recent patch that touches relevant timings. http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=bd4b7e8e84ab43a13a4620b001d52d373c2122b3 Please let us know how it works for you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] on Freerunner feed back
As you mention, debian may not be the right project to try to focus on a subset of apps. I'll have to retry hackable:1 and try SHR before I start trying to mold a community of like-minded on top of debian ;) I don't think I have enough of an overview to not end up being counter productive. Give it a few months and I should be able to direct my comments to the right people, making it easier on everybody. Happy hacking! Bram On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 15:37 +0200, arne anka wrote: I may even start a thread about that in a few months. well, why not yet? you seem to have some rather clear ideas, given your remarks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
I know this is inflammatory, but I really couldn't resist: You see things; and you say, 'Why not?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, Why not not? Bram On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 17:43 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Thomas Seiler wrote: Hi, Why enlightenment? | You see things; and you say, 'Why?' | But I dream things that never were; and I say, Why not? |George Bernard Shaw, Thumbs up, here! It was my reply too (Shaw, you only come up before! :P). By the way if I can give my idea, the switch to Enlightenment has been the best decision ever taken by Openmoko imho. This made (or helped) Illume and Elementary to born, giving us a superior GUI system (both from the usability and look point of view). I don't really understand why E shouldn't be used. It has demonstrate to be the best one, so far. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[all] locales: cannot map archive header: Invalid argument
since it came up again rather recently and i experienced it again yesterday and all occurences of the error were linked to people using the freerunner (according to google, that is) ... i reported it as a bug to debian http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=524483 and it turns out to be caused by jiffs2, ie if the directory the locales resp the archive were to be created in lives in a jiffs2 filesystem, locale-gen fails. jffs2 does not support mmap in write mode. This is not a bug of locales. so, whoever stumbles over that issue in future -- either modify locale-gen (it's a script) to call localedef with --no-archive or make the directory live in a filesystem not affected. i linked /usr/lib/loacle/ to a folder on the ext3 sd card. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
William Kenworthy wrote: For bike use, someything like this may be better: http://wdk.dyndns.org/freerunner/p1000129.jpg looks promising! Exactly which material is that made of? Regards, Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
looks promising! Exactly which material is that made of? looks like what my dictionary calls particle board, ie wood chippings and glue made into something remotely resembling wood. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] Missing icons after install
Hello, I've just tried installing latest SHR-testing (which should be unstable just merged into testing), and it works quite good. However, I cannot find a way to launch certain apps (except than by using the terminal). i.e. TangoGPS is nowhere to be found, but calling tangogps from the terminal launches it correctly. Same thing happens with other apps shown in the initial configuration screen, but somehow lost after booting to e. Am I missing something incredibly stupid (it's been a while since I've tried SHR), or does it work that way? If so, how can I get launchers for those missing apps? thanks in advance Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Leather case for Neo freeruner now 29 Euros
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Now the Openmoko leather case is at 29 Euros Vat included + Shipping costs at www.tuxbrain.com/shop Do you ship to Canada, and if so what are the costs + payment options? If not, does anyone know of a similar product in North America? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Missing icons after install
Oh. I should do it yesterday or today, but forgot about it. I will fix it tomorrow ;) 2009/4/17, Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl: Hello, I've just tried installing latest SHR-testing (which should be unstable just merged into testing), and it works quite good. However, I cannot find a way to launch certain apps (except than by using the terminal). i.e. TangoGPS is nowhere to be found, but calling tangogps from the terminal launches it correctly. Same thing happens with other apps shown in the initial configuration screen, but somehow lost after booting to e. Am I missing something incredibly stupid (it's been a while since I've tried SHR), or does it work that way? If so, how can I get launchers for those missing apps? thanks in advance Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Missing icons after install
Great! thanks for the quick answer! should it be fixed by opkg upgrade or a .e removal or a full reflash? thanks Tom Johny Tenfinger escribió: Oh. I should do it yesterday or today, but forgot about it. I will fix it tomorrow ;) 2009/4/17, Tomas Riveros Schober trive...@enable.cl: Hello, I've just tried installing latest SHR-testing (which should be unstable just merged into testing), and it works quite good. However, I cannot find a way to launch certain apps (except than by using the terminal). i.e. TangoGPS is nowhere to be found, but calling tangogps from the terminal launches it correctly. Same thing happens with other apps shown in the initial configuration screen, but somehow lost after booting to e. Am I missing something incredibly stupid (it's been a while since I've tried SHR), or does it work that way? If so, how can I get launchers for those missing apps? thanks in advance Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Leather case for Neo freeruner now 29 Euros
yes I ship to canada , shipping cost to Canada for 1 unit about 8,50 euros I accept wire transfer and credit card 2009/4/17 Mike Montour m...@mmontour.net: David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Now the Openmoko leather case is at 29 Euros Vat included + Shipping costs at www.tuxbrain.com/shop Do you ship to Canada, and if so what are the costs + payment options? If not, does anyone know of a similar product in North America? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gpsd, agps etc..
Hi! I'm running the 2008.12 on my Freerunner I have agps http://www.opkg.org/package_127.html installed. I went on-line, downloaded the agps data first turning gpsd and the power on: /etc/init.d/gpsd start echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-pm-gps/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron /usr/bin/agps-onlinec . This works fine and it downloads me the data for around 13 satellites (tangogps shows this). Going outside and I get the fix in some seconds. OK, nothing new there. So I bike to this shop, suspend the phone, spend a while there and come out and wake the phone up. I waited a while, the GPS didn't seem to react, it told me it knows where ~13 satellites are but sees none. I have also gpsdcontrol (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsdcontrol ) installed. I started it and the amount of known satellites changed from ~13 to 5 and some seconds later I got a fix. As far as I understand it only restarted gpsd. So the question is: do all apps work independently with the GPS data, there is no one place where the current signal/satellites is stored/something? And then they feed it to.. what? Or was tangogps or gpsd just stuck with the not-updating information that started to update again when I restarted gpsd? It'd be great if some bits of this could be improved to actually be able to save the location when suspending/turning gpsd off etc to be able to get a faster fix. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
AT%CTVZ=1 just enables the unsolicited result code. There is no way to actually _query_ the time from the network. It depends on the operator whether it sends it to you or not. It also depends on the modem whether it can understand the network time report or not. The unsolicited result code can occur at any time, e.g. during cell handover or registration. You probably need to look for it (read: log data) for a couple of hours or days to spot it. In germany you will not get it at all. In fact whereever I have been since 2006 I never have seen one. Then again, I've not been in the US since 2002. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I was wondering where 'unsolicited' fit into all this... OK, so how do I log it without having it connected to my laptop all the time? :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Am Samstag, 18. April 2009 00:14:15 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: I was wondering where 'unsolicited' fit into all this... OK, so how do I log it without having it connected to my laptop all the time? :P Maybe some construction with mickeyterm in a screen session and modifying the python code to print into a file instead of stdout? (Or, without hacking mterm, redirect stdout to a file?) In both cases you would have to start it once before to enable these special messages... (could have expressed that better :) ) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Meh, would `mickeyterm 21 AT%CTVZ=1 | tee mickeyterm.out` work? :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Enlightenment is the best choice for Freerunner! 1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an example - you can change their look, even functions - like digital clock instead of analog - without changin the main code. I don't say it's not possible with GTK but it way more complicated. 2. Finger scrolling - it works by default. If I know that app is written in Elementary - I know that it's finger-friendly. Also - compare matchbox keyboard and illume one - latter is far more finger-friendly. 3. Up-to-date. It's under constant development, and getting better by the day. It's also (Illume and elementary) is well adjusted to phone. Just my 2 cents. Leonti ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: sunlight readable LCD
Very think laminated chipboard - left over from the builders! - waste not, want not :) BillK On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 21:47 +0200, Fernando Martins wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: For bike use, someything like this may be better: http://wdk.dyndns.org/freerunner/p1000129.jpg looks promising! Exactly which material is that made of? Regards, Fernando -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: AT%CTVZ=1 just enables the unsolicited result code. There is no way to actually _query_ the time from the network. It depends on the operator whether it sends it to you or not. It also depends on the modem whether it can understand the network time report or not. The unsolicited result code can occur at any time, e.g. during cell handover or registration. You probably need to look for it (read: log data) for a couple of hours or days to spot it. In germany you will not get it at all. In fact whereever I have been since 2006 I never have seen one. Then again, I've not been in the US since 2002. :M: My dumb nokia updated time when I was in finland. AFAIR it was Elisa and Teliasonera, so maybe some finnish openvoko users/devs can provide a logs? Regards, Evgeny. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Try screen - run screen -L and it will log anything in the window to file (screenlog.0) - advantage also in that you can reattach and check whats happening as well. I presume there is no loading problems on normal operation leaving mickeyterm running? BillK On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 17:33 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: AT%CTVZ=1 -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
OK, I ran the mickeyterm and put in AT%CTZV=1 and then closed the terminal. I assume that left the mickeyterm running...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Install screen on your desktop so you can man screen ^ad (^ is the control key) detaches, leaving screen running screen -r reattaches ^ac creates a new window in screen ^a1, ^a2, ^a3 etc to switch between active windows Nice feature is you can also ssh in or use the local terminal and reattach and see whats happening. Very useful app BillK On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 19:31 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: OK, I ran the mickeyterm and put in AT%CTZV=1 and then closed the terminal. I assume that left the mickeyterm running...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: AT%CTVZ=1 just enables the unsolicited result code. There is no way to actually _query_ the time from the network. I don't know what method it uses but my Nokia 3500 phone gets the current time+date automatically (operator is Fido in Canada). I've tested this by manually setting an incorrect value and then power-cycling the phone, and it goes back to the correct time as soon as it boots up. I did a quick test with 'mickeyterm' on my Freerunner and I haven't seen any %CTZV messages yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
