Re: [QtExtended] call for help
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: If no response is received, I might as well consider that qtextended-on-freerunner is not wanted/needed anymore ... Hi Franky, no other distribution worked for me as phone so i am definitely staying in. I just hope to have more time and dont want my wife to get angry ;-) I am now hacking simple audio/video player to learn QT. Will be back to real QtExtended hacking soon. I am really appreciating all the work you have done. Thanks Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge
Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org writes: Am So 19. April 2009 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 05:11:36PM -0700, Mike Montour wrote: chg_curlim controls the battery charger, while usb_curlim controls the total current that can be drawn from the USB port (charging + the current used by the Freerunner). Note that whenever you set usb_curlim (directly or indirectly by plugging in power), chg_curlim is set to the new value of usb_curlim. where do you find this info? I've checked shortly and e.g. 8.12.6.2 doesn't mention this relation. Maybe I didn't realize the important part? drivers/power/pcf50633-charger.c: /* * We limit the charging current to be the USB current limit. * The reason is that on pcf50633, when it enters PMU Standby mode, * which it does when the device goes off, the USB current limit * reverts to the variant default. In at least one common case, that * default is 500mA. By setting the charging current to be the same * as the USB limit we set here before PMU standby, we enforce it only * using the correct amount of current even when the USB current limit * gets reset to the wrong thing */ -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Old accel-using apps should be fixed (was: Re: [SHR] 4-16 shr-testing is pretty good!)
Adam Jimerson vend...@gmail.com writes: and the accelerometer doesn't seem to work my test was with http:// www.opkg.org/package_35.html. Are you all kidding? It was told numerous times that accelerometer kernel api was changed (the previous version had enough known problems) and userspace apps should be updated. It was announced about a month before the change and more than two months before it finally went to SHR testing. Come on. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backing up rootfs fails - after 40m FreeRunner continues booting
Bram Mertens mertensb.ma...@gmail.com writes: So it looks like NAND U-Boot was updated but NOR hasn't. However http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup#Backing-up_flash_images specifically states that you need to be in NOR U-Boot before flashing/backing up. Then the wiki is wrong. There's absolutely zero sense in backing up u-boot itself and other partitions are perfectly readable when you boot to NAND. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] and illume, wooow!
Am Dienstag 21 April 2009 06:33:05 schrieb Konstantin: Joerg Reisenweber wrote: give GPRS a try. works out of the box for me (as do lots of other things, midori e.g. Me was googling with O2-loop and right APN within 3 min ;) /j Speaking of O2, I was looking for the right settings for O2 (Germany) a while, but was unable to find them. Could you post/pm them to me, or point me to a site I can find them? Thanks :) Regards, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have a look at the FAQ of o2 ;) http://www.o2online.de/nw/support/mobilfunk/surfmobil/surfhandy/einstellungen/index.html Best regards Heiner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: test QtEI
You can activate almost all kind of logging, just go to settings-logging and from the bottom menu there you can select Categories where you can activate all kind of logging. Franky On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: @Franky: is there a way to see what phone is doing? if yes, I can do it and send here the results... who does this sounds? On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: I don't know, I don't have a SIM card with which to check the status (I have a subscription, not a credit-based card). But it was to show that the dialer does support the * and # characters. And I believe these are normal calls, they just get interpreted by the phone company that then returns a special crafted message with the requested info. Hi, i am able to show my credit by calling *22# My image is this one [1], but i dont think that the image is different from any other images. It's probably operator specific or some other factor is involved. It is possible to enable modem commands logging and this could be used to debug the problem. Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qtmoko/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia Sent from Rome, RM, Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] 4-16 shr-testing is pretty good!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vasco Nevoa ha scritto: I second that emotion! :) It is by far the best distro ever tested on my Neo. Not only that, but they also got rid of a few nasty bugs: the GPRS link (now included out-of-the-box) no longer stalls, the USB networking with Windows boxes is restored, and the messages and dialer apps no longer crash randomly. And Raster's keyboard finally works the way it should (fast and clean). Very nice indeed. Kudos to everyone, not just the SHR team for a great integration effort, but also to the kernel and application teams. Quote all :D I think we could create a thanks thread to give moral effort and appreciation to SHR team ad collaborative users :D Thanks again guys ;) - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknteAsACgkQRi2TsGSC4FayKACeIgcO98HPJPE1hvc8jpRHX9HI FIoAoINvtJDXw/dwdXoXi+78myWGzyyu =9EiQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] 4-16 shr-testing is pretty good!
Thank you again ! 2009/4/21 Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vasco Nevoa ha scritto: I second that emotion! :) It is by far the best distro ever tested on my Neo. Not only that, but they also got rid of a few nasty bugs: the GPRS link (now included out-of-the-box) no longer stalls, the USB networking with Windows boxes is restored, and the messages and dialer apps no longer crash randomly. And Raster's keyboard finally works the way it should (fast and clean). Very nice indeed. Kudos to everyone, not just the SHR team for a great integration effort, but also to the kernel and application teams. Quote all :D I think we could create a thanks thread to give moral effort and appreciation to SHR team ad collaborative users :D Thanks again guys ;) - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknteAsACgkQRi2TsGSC4FayKACeIgcO98HPJPE1hvc8jpRHX9HI FIoAoINvtJDXw/dwdXoXi+78myWGzyyu =9EiQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] 4-16 shr-testing is pretty good!
Vasco Nevoa a écrit : And Raster's keyboard finally works the way it should (fast and clean). With utf-8 support or not ? If I wrote 'ete' with my french dictionary, will it propose me 'été' ? Because IIRC, it was an utf-8 patch that made it very slow in the old SHR-testing... Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] 4-16 shr-testing is pretty good!
Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com writes: Vasco Nevoa a écrit : And Raster's keyboard finally works the way it should (fast and clean). With utf-8 support or not ? If I wrote 'ete' with my french dictionary, will it propose me 'été' ? Because IIRC, it was an utf-8 patch that made it very slow in the old SHR-testing... Without, the patch was reverted. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backing up rootfs fails - after 40m FreeRunner continues booting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, To backup your rootfs with NeoTool: * Make sure you have a working image on your Neo. By 'Working', I mean it should boot into the GUI, and networking should work - you should be able to ssh into your neo. NeoTool is supposed to be pretty much idiot proof, so it should tell you if this isn't the case. * Boot your Neo all the way into the gui. (NeoTool's rootfs backup needs to use SSH, so your Neo should be completely booted, not at the boot menu) * Run NeoTool, choose backup, select 'Root Filesystem' when it prompts for what to backup, and choose 'Go!'. * you may be told that you don't have mkfs-jffs2 installed. If this happens, ssh into your neo and opkg install mkfs-jffs2 * the backup will take a while (maybe 20-30mins?). If you chose the default backup method (jffs2), the file it produces will be flashable using dfu-util or NeoTool. HTH, - -Dale Bram Mertens wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Cameron Frazier frazier.came...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Bram Mertens mertensb.ma...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Cameron Frazier frazier.came...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Bram Mertens mertensb.ma...@gmail.com wrote: snip Have you tried using NeoTool [1]? It's always worked quite well for me, and the backing up process avoids dfu-util. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool I have tried to use it before when I initially went to pick up the device but never succeeded, probably because we were using the wrong files. And the instructions seemed clear enough to use the command line utility. The current problems/questions would have arisen with NeoTool anyway, looks like I made a mistake when rebooting the device. So when you have flashed the U-Boot with NeoTool, how do you proceed? Unplug it first, power down, then boot again or use the boot menu to reboot? And did you boot the device normally or immediately into NOR or NAND? The display still shows the openmoko logo, guess I'll have to hard reset it though I hope that won't break anything... I've always just: - flashed - powered down, which the FR seems to do on it's own once u-boot times out - unplug the usb, as I've found that leaving it in will cause hangs similar to what your seeing (oddly I don't have this issue with the AC adapter) - turn on pre normal procedure (power button for 8-10 sec) I use NeoTool most times since I like the backup method (having had numerous problems with dfu-util backups) and it helps to ensure I'm not throwing improper commands when I flash. I have little faith in the user on my end. Thanks, I pulled the battery and booted into NOR, it still shows: U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 (May 09 2008 - 10:28:48) select reboot from menu - FDOM boots. Shut down device to NAND boot menu. NAND boot menu shows: pr 19 2009 - 19:10:05)520a22715fe7ff069b36b7dfdbb925a8e5a (A So it looks like NAND U-Boot was updated but NOR hasn't. However http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup#Backing-up_flash_images specifically states that you need to be in NOR U-Boot before flashing/backing up. After reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_NOR I get the impression that flashing NOR is not really recommended compared to flashing NAND. I'll try with NeoTool since even with the new U-Boot a backup fails after 38minutes (while booted to NAND). Regards Bram ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ7YWDFbVnQRV3OEYRAhkjAKCbv651TqaoSJ9Jzy0z8T+hG8azqwCeO/P7 2M1cwNT9rbkdSqn2JZ46xY0= =20rP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backing up rootfs fails - after 40m FreeRunner continues booting
The display still shows the openmoko logo, guess I'll have to hard reset it though I hope that won't break anything... the logo is completely unrelated to u-boot or qi or whatever. it lives in its own partition and needs to be flashed on its own, if you wnat to change it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] call for help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: why should I? I'm just one guy that happened to put some stuff together, not a company with a bunch of developers behind it. The same goes for bluetooth. So: every qtopia/qt/qtextended developer in this list, please jump in. If no response is received, I might as well consider that qtextended-on-freerunner is not wanted/needed anymore ... Franky Hey! Dont be so blue, qtei is excellent and even I have started poking around with it. Yet I dont have needed expertise to fix that kind of bugs but maybe some day. At the moment qtei seems to be best in usability between freerunner distros! You and others in qte/qtei development have been doing astonishing work, which I hope, continues in future. I appreciate your efforts and I believe others do too, even if it does not show :) ps. i compiled my first example program today, hooray \o/ - -- husku -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkntiKYACgkQYntoxOJkGJIzewCeNJmvHl5h2Tki8GY/OdLzqFog FZUAoLW0EatDIAgq8D0QRyi6ea7VfnlC =rjhF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr - messages + wsod
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Nelson Castillo arhu...@freaks-unidos.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com wrote: it is back :( I just tried with the latest image and kernel and WSOD is there! Also the 'key-lock' button doesn't work any more! you have to bind the key manually click on the wrench and take a look around Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR-testing] sms app does not display neither date nor sender
Hello list. Various people have reported recently that the shr-messages(or openmoko-messages3?) application does not display the timestamp. But what is much more annoying it does not associate the phone number with the name from the SIM card's phone book. Does anyone experience this too? Moreover I cannot create an phonebook entry in my native language, only in ASCII. Is this also a common issue? I am asking because one can type SMS in their native language, which means that the bug with not supporting UTF-8 in SHR has gone, but why not for phonebook? And the third question: what's the difference between applications openmoko-messages3 and shr-messages(and also for phonebook)? My opkg always reports errors about a package shr-messages which wants to overwrite files owned by openmoko-messages3 package. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] 4-16 shr-testing is pretty good!
That explains it. :) Well, Xavier, I gave up on my Portuguese accentuated characters a while ago. Since I only use the keyboard's dictionary for SMS messages, it's ok (kids today are writing a lot worse on SMS than just a few missing accents...) ;) It would be good to have someday, but I won't bother opening a ticket when there is much bigger fish to fry first. Citando Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com: Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com writes: Vasco Nevoa a écrit : And Raster's keyboard finally works the way it should (fast and clean). With utf-8 support or not ? If I wrote 'ete' with my french dictionary, will it propose me 'été' ? Because IIRC, it was an utf-8 patch that made it very slow in the old SHR-testing... Without, the patch was reverted. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Pictures of Buzz fix party Barcelona on the wiki
Hi all you can find the pictures at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BuzzFixParty#Pictures a full description of the event in spanish at http://www.openmoko-spain.org/tiki-view_blog_post.php?blogId=1postId=10 coments and questions will be welcome, Video is comming soon :) -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthias Felsche ha scritto: Dear list, a new application has been released at opkg.org: http://www.opkg.org/package_207.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dictator It's a recording application which records your speech via mic, the incoming gsm-sound only or both -- a whole phonecall. I hope you will enjoy it! Please gimme feedback on errors etc. I already know it's recording volume is quite low. anyone with some more knowledge of the alsa-switches and -mixers and -muxers etc. please have a look at /usr/share/scenarios/dictator/dictator.state I'm going to improve this but maybe one of you is faster than me. (hope so ;-)) Hi Matthias, first of all, thanks for bringing us such great and promising application; it's pygtk structure makes it really expansible. The first time I've seen the screenshot on opkg.org, I've thought that it's big buttons are *perfect* for bike riding. So, the question is: OpenStreetMap mappers (and other people, BTW) need an application capable to take georeferred notes, which can easily can used to prospect them on mapping Desktop applications (such like JOSM[1]). Python makes very easy to take lat/longitude from GPS receiver on Neo. We've a lot of applications doing this. Using a library to edit audio file's metadata, we could insert in recorded audio track lat/lon specification. Just my 2 cents... my spare free time until July doesn't allow me to implement this so, if someone would try... :D :D Cheers [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkntnUQACgkQRi2TsGSC4Fa3agCeIPslrq7eJN6h0nmMHDfVFo62 TssAn2+HO+FzSNIx2yYdX0XPbIAjIXQB =AKm8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
2009/4/21 Matthias Felsche matthiasfels...@web.de: Dear list, a new application has been released at opkg.org: http://www.opkg.org/package_207.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dictator It's a recording application which records your speech via mic, the incoming gsm-sound only or both -- a whole phonecall. I hope you will enjoy it! Please gimme feedback on errors etc. great stuff. i love the interface, lovely big buttons is there any way to select which microphone it records from? i've got a usb mic that i want to use to record samples? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
On Tuesday 21 April 2009 12:17:41 Francesco de Virgilio wrote: First of all, thank you for the application :) The first time I've seen the screenshot on opkg.org, I've thought that it's big buttons are *perfect* for bike riding. So, the question is: OpenStreetMap mappers (and other people, BTW) need an application capable to take georeferred notes, which can easily can used to prospect them on mapping Desktop applications (such like JOSM[1]). It wold be REALLY great to have such an application on Neo for OSMers :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QT Extended Improved] GPS Mapping Demo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Moro, I compiled my own qtei binaries from git-repo and tried to use the Mapping Demo program, but it gets stuck on Connected, waiting for fix. If I use the provided demo nmea log, it seems to work properly. I also tried with '-modules location' configure option before make but it did not improve the situation, what could be wrong or where would the hints be hidden? btw, where are the logs, I want to examine them by ssh. Thanks in advance. - -- husku -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkntohEACgkQYntoxOJkGJJl5QCdG0Yd2kl46NIU6tXSZHduoNBv Yi4AoINK8OKehCer90CCkIyVW+pxYrjS =vvsg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:52 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:13:08 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: This looks like a great list! I'll go through the points one by one... On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 01:03 +0200, Leonti Bielski wrote: Enlightenment is the best choice for Freerunner! 1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an example - you can change their look, even functions - like digital clock instead of analog - without changin the main code. I don't say it's not possible with GTK but it way more complicated. I'll have to look into how complicated this would be with GTK, but I'll take your word for it. However, if you change the clock from digital to analog, then you will get layout problems. I thought switching glade(/gtkbuilder) files would be perfect for something like that and with the glade interface developer, making new layouts would be easy for everybody. I'll take your word for it that is really is easier. trust me - e is by far more flexible than gtk in changing look,layout and feel just by changing a theme data file. i wrote gtk's theme system. i also wrote e... :) Yes, I trust you on that. But I don't think theming is always a good thing. That is, however, just a matter of opinion. 2. Finger scrolling - it works by default. If I know that app is written in Elementary - I know that it's finger-friendly. Also - compare matchbox keyboard and illume one - latter is far more finger-friendly. I really thought finger scrolling would be a task that should be implemented by the touchscreen driver/library software, or if needed the window manager, but not the GUI toolkit. What about right-clicking support? If you put right-clicking support, scrolling, and other emulate a normal mouse behavior in the GUI toolkit, I think you are putting it in the wrong place. 1. absolutely not. scrolling is an app+toolkit thing. scrolling needs to track the mouse position. i can go into all the logic an math why - as it also conflicts with normal use (like dragging a slider, pressing buttons in a scrollable region etc.). the toolkit/app needs to figure out did they want to slide the slider, or scroll the view? for example. trust me that its a toolkit/app problem. The only example I can state here is something I first say implemented by a logitech driver on windows. To scroll you pressed a special button on your mouse anywhere on the screen and then moved the pointer away to start scrolling. The further away from your initial point, the faster you scolled. This worked with all toolkits (including Java SWT, GTK+, Firefox's toolkit). So I can't get myself to trust you on that. 2. right mouse also can be hackishly implemented in the windowing system - but thats wrong, as it has no idea what parts of the screen need a long press for emulating a right mouse. (thats the normal way to do it). this SHOULD be left to the toolkit. only the toolkit knows what parts of the screen are sensitive to a right-mouse press or not. and if it does this... it may as well handle it as along press anyway (as opposed to emulating right-mouse) I thought I could could use my mouse and use the right button on any part of the screen I wanted, without having a toolkit tell me whether I am allowed or not? Even if I have to emulate it some how, if I want to right click on something, the only thing I think the toolkit is allowed to do is sit there and take it ;) If you think about it like that, then finger friendly means: large buttons, nothing where you have to hit the side, and feedback you can see even with your finger on it. correct. also that it doesnt need a right mouse button, that it doesnt rely on mouseovers for input/indication (or position of mouse eg - move mouse to edge of window to begin an auto-scroll in that direction). or that some bits of the ui appear when the mosue is over areas. as the mouse only moves while mouse button 1 is pressed down - you need to work with that. you also need other bits of smart eg - finger-scrolling. to determine if a swipe is a scroll or not, handle momentum of the scroll etc. I still can not see why you need to work with that in the toolkit. Why not go a level higher and try to solve those problems in a toolkit agnostic manner? But if the OpenMoko team thinks that the GUI toolkit is the place to fix scrolling, then I can see why it is a good choice. thats what elementary covers - it's Good list of features, and I would like to use it to congratulate all developers on the elementary toolkit on their achievements. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that enlightenment is bad code or crappy work. I started this thread because I couldn't understand the reason why it was chosen. 3. Up-to-date. It's under constant development, and getting better by the day. It's also (Illume and
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recordin g and dictation software ever
anyone with some more knowledge of the alsa-switches and -mixers and -muxers etc. please have a look at /usr/share/scenarios/dictator/dictator.state It's actually /usr/share/scenarios/dictator/dictator_rec.state Sorry! Matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording an d dictation software ever
Dear list, a new application has been released at opkg.org: http://www.opkg.org/package_207.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dictator It's a recording application which records your speech via mic, the incoming gsm-sound only or both -- a whole phonecall. I hope you will enjoy it! Please gimme feedback on errors etc. I already know it's recording volume is quite low. anyone with some more knowledge of the alsa-switches and -mixers and -muxers etc. please have a look at /usr/share/scenarios/dictator/dictator.state I'm going to improve this but maybe one of you is faster than me. (hope so ;-)) cheers Matthias __ Verschicken Sie SMS direkt vom Postfach aus - in alle deutschen und viele ausländische Netze zum gleichen Preis! https://produkte.web.de/webde_sms/sms ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Effectively you are saying nothing else was good enough. But that is what everybody says when you ask them why they created something, they say I needed it, and it wasn't there already. Could you be more specific on which features you want, and why other toolkits can not deliver them? Or give an example of where other libraries where just to slow? Bram On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:28 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:11:37 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: as such the choice of enviornment, thanks to it running x, is not limited, you can use qt, gtk, sdl, fltk etc. e is a window manager - it happens to also have spawned toolkits that lend themesleves to unique custom ui's and much more flexibility than the larger toolkits. trust me on this - gtk's theme system comes courtesy of me - i wrote it years ago. i know how far you will be able to push gtk (without breaking it and effectively creating a new incompatible toolkit). qt until a few months ago has a major license issue - GPL for a library forces ALL apps to effectively be GPL. for the entire development of gta02 it was GPL. GPL inherently restricts the freedom of app developers to NOT make software GPL (MIT, BSD or any other license they choose). if you chose to ship with a GPL toolkit - then you limit what app developers can do. so qt was right out (and i know a whole bunch of developers who simply dont want todo c++ in order to use qt - they want to use c or something else). so gtk has its limits - also i have heard enough complaints of it being slow - and that is from commercial developers in big electronics houses. they really are not squeakingly happy with gtk and are hunting for other solutions. qt had the license problems until a few months ago. so what other choices do you have if you have eliminated qt for license reasons and you think gtk is just not up to snuff and is unlikely to get there easily without major breaks? True, I expected to like the Freerunner as a phone and thought the whole freedom would just be an added bonus. If the phone isn't that good, I could always fix small bugs and help out. However, it turns out that I can't understand the direction the mainstream development is going, and with this small community, the bugs in other distributions are not small at all. So I seem have to make a choice: put in allot of time, or stick with a product that I can't understand. The last option is just to sell the thing before the value drops to much and buy something else. As you say, choices had to be made and this is it. I don't think I'm closer to understanding the reasoning behind choosing for e, but maybe this is just an opinion, and we should leave it at that. In the meantime I think I'll just have to reset my expectations, and decide what I want to do with this phone. Thank you for your reply. Bram On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 15:02 +0200, arne anka wrote: So what if the company decided to use that money for something you do not want to be part of, or you think they are throwing away your money doing stupid things. Well, I think at that moment you should pawn the product, not endorse it (maybe even publicly denounce it) and then find another company or product you can be happy with. that's a constellation you have to cope with in every commercial product (and even in others, too, though you might not measure your investments in terms of money). what's more, with most companies you don't neither have a saying in what the money is spent for nor do you actually get information about what that company plans are at all. the difference with the freerunner is, that you can install what environment you want and that you are not limited by the decisions the company makes after you bought. with the amount of freedom available, openmoko as company in question cannot be supposed to invest in all and every available technology, be it a desktop environment or merely a toolkit, but instead one way has to be chosen. but om having their money on e does not mean, you are forced to use e. if, on the other hand, you demand that you have a saying in what the company does with your money, clinging to the merely ficitional conception of splitting your money in a part for the actual hardware, a part for development done and a part for development to come -- there won't be many things left you could purchase. btw: that whole question is not at all about e or gtk or qt, but what to expect from a frre device -- and that question in turn has been discussed in extenso already. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-testing] sms app does not display neither date nor sender
my answers : 2009/4/21 ivvmm unachieva...@gmail.com Hello list. Various people have reported recently that the shr-messages(or openmoko-messages3?) application does not display the timestamp. But what is much more annoying it does not associate the phone number with the name from the SIM card's phone book. Does anyone experience this too? -- yes, I have the same issue Moreover I cannot create an phonebook entry in my native language, only in ASCII. Is this also a common issue? I am asking because one can type SMS in their native language, which means that the bug with not supporting UTF-8 in SHR has gone, but why not for phonebook? -- do not know since I always wirte contacts name in simple letters so that I have no pbm when synchronizing / copying them And the third question: what's the difference between applications openmoko-messages3 and shr-messages(and also for phonebook)? My opkg always reports errors about a package shr-messages which wants to overwrite files owned by openmoko-messages3 package. -- there is a current process of renaming shr dialer, contacts and messages applications. It is not over, so I think you should wait a litlle bit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QT Extended Improved] GPS Mapping Demo
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mikko Husari hu...@husku.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Moro, I compiled my own qtei binaries from git-repo and tried to use the Mapping Demo program, but it gets stuck on Connected, waiting for fix. If I use the provided demo nmea log, it seems to work properly. I also tried with '-modules location' configure option before make but it did not improve the situation, what could be wrong or where would the hints be hidden? btw, where are the logs, I want to examine them by ssh. Thanks in advance. - -- husku The following modules are compiled in by default for the neo device: -add-mediaengine cruxus -add-module bluetooth -add-module cell -add-module connectivity -add-module devtools -add-module essentials -add-module games -add-module inputmethods -add-module location -add-module media -add-module messaging -add-module pim -add-module pkgmanagement -add-module telephony -add-module ui so this means that adding extra -modules location won't change anything, it's in already. But personally I haven't had any luck as well trying to get this to work. Other people besides me are trying to build a better gps application. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:05:44 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: i'm going to keep it short as i really dont have time to go into al the details. 1. i am not interested in c++. this gets rid of qt, fltk and a bunch of other toolkits. i know there are enough devs also not interested in c++. 2. this (in terms of major toolkits) gets you down to gtk or something else. so i'll focus on gtk vs efl. 1. gtk's theme engine is limited. it is limited by the code that lays out widgets. you cannot make a theme have extra padding in a widget. yo cannot add layering, text effects or many other things. gtk has no concept of layering between widgets. widgets are laid out flat and should/cannot overlap. 2. gtk is slower. even just start times. try an app that uses efl and one that uses gtk (and that have equivalently complex-looking themes/ui setups). see which one pops up your window first. i have gotten it from developers doing embedded evices to the point where they laughed at how slow gtk was. once they used evas/efl - their apps came up seconds sooner. and efl was playing no tricks to get there. even when they played the dlopen() tricks that maemo does to launch gtk fast - efl still beat gtk - and it was going the long way around. i have, in the meantime added a similar hack to elementary. and it now starts even faster. this is anecdotes directly from people using it. their managers are pressuring them to get apps to appear instantly. or as instantly as possible. they hit a wall with gtk they couldnt - for months, improve. someone decided to try efl and suddenly they were incredibly happy and moving forwards again. gtk - if you begin to do anything interesting with the theme and ui (theme engine) becomes pretty slow with redraws. visibly so on a slow old device. keep your gtk to grey bevels or solid colors with simply looks and it goes fine. get fancy and it comes to a crawl. 3. gtk has no ability to do blending in, aroudn or between widgets sanely because it uses child windows (you would need to introduce compositing to gtk or remove all child windows which will break its api) 4. try do a ui that INST just plain normal widgets with gtk. see where you get. try do xmms (winamp etc.). efl drops into this kind of ui seamlessly as it provides a canvas as the core drawing layer. making such custom ui;s (which many people are rather fond of and make sense in specific cases). try this in gtk (to the point of it being easy): http://www.rasterman.com/files/wp2.avi (i'm not done with it yet). 5. rendering. gtk uses cairo. cairo is full of floating point. the samsung 2442 has NO floating point unit. it's slow as arse without a fpu. many embedded systems have no fpu. add to this rendering other than fp.. this means simple pixel pushing (blending, scaling, etc.). cairo has a software engine of its own - but normally uses xrender. both of these are significantly slower than evas's software engine. by more than a factor of 2. doing the same operations. evas has an xrender engine. it even once had a cairo engine. here i clocked the cairo engine in at being 1/20th the speed of evas's existing software engine. evas also has a OpenGL engine, DirectFB, Quartz, win32, wince, (and here in my own sources i also have a OpenGLES 2.0 engine - sadnly the 3d GLES chipsets i've tested it on simply run at about 1/4 the speed of evas's software engine.. on the same platform... so it's awaiting some miracle to make it speed up to the point of it being useful). it can render to the FB directly (with no x11 involved). flipping between x and fb is a single line of code the app selects on init. thus a 1 liner to have your app work in fb to x11.. or both even without a single recompile or patch. there's an SDL engine, direct3d, memory-buffer renderer direct-draw and even qtopia engine. thats a hell of a lot of display targets. you can switch them simply by varying the init line. gtk does not go here. 6. there are existing meta-object abstraction libraries on top - edje. this allows you to define a complex object and layout in a data file. it splits the look/theme/feel away from the programmer a bit allowing non-programmers to generate them. it allows for defining interactions from events (mouse etc.) signals (virtual events from the app) and animations. thus you can very easily define a more custom layout for an app (eg a whole winamp skin) in a single data file... and just load it - place it where you want and let it go. edje handles the rest for you. the animation, interaction and abstractions for layout. no - it's not perfect. it has limits. but it's something gtk doesnt even vaguely offer. sure you have libglade and to an extent you can begin to do some.. but not all. not as easily. yes. i am saying it wasn't good enough. i started evas and efl because nothing else DID it. and still toolkits are playing catch up. if all you want is your usual grey boxy normal widget ui - gtk is fine. but if you want to get interesting. if you want do
Re: Why enlightenment?
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:00:33 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:52 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:13:08 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: This looks like a great list! I'll go through the points one by one... On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 01:03 +0200, Leonti Bielski wrote: Enlightenment is the best choice for Freerunner! 1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an example - you can change their look, even functions - like digital clock instead of analog - without changin the main code. I don't say it's not possible with GTK but it way more complicated. I'll have to look into how complicated this would be with GTK, but I'll take your word for it. However, if you change the clock from digital to analog, then you will get layout problems. I thought switching glade(/gtkbuilder) files would be perfect for something like that and with the glade interface developer, making new layouts would be easy for everybody. I'll take your word for it that is really is easier. trust me - e is by far more flexible than gtk in changing look,layout and feel just by changing a theme data file. i wrote gtk's theme system. i also wrote e... :) Yes, I trust you on that. But I don't think theming is always a good thing. That is, however, just a matter of opinion. 2. Finger scrolling - it works by default. If I know that app is written in Elementary - I know that it's finger-friendly. Also - compare matchbox keyboard and illume one - latter is far more finger-friendly. I really thought finger scrolling would be a task that should be implemented by the touchscreen driver/library software, or if needed the window manager, but not the GUI toolkit. What about right-clicking support? If you put right-clicking support, scrolling, and other emulate a normal mouse behavior in the GUI toolkit, I think you are putting it in the wrong place. 1. absolutely not. scrolling is an app+toolkit thing. scrolling needs to track the mouse position. i can go into all the logic an math why - as it also conflicts with normal use (like dragging a slider, pressing buttons in a scrollable region etc.). the toolkit/app needs to figure out did they want to slide the slider, or scroll the view? for example. trust me that its a toolkit/app problem. The only example I can state here is something I first say implemented by a logitech driver on windows. To scroll you pressed a special button on your mouse anywhere on the screen and then moved the pointer away to start scrolling. The further away from your initial point, the faster you scolled. This worked with all toolkits (including Java SWT, GTK+, Firefox's toolkit). So I can't get myself to trust you on that. that's because there was a SPECIAL BUTTON! a special app can grab that 1 button everywhere (thus its not useful for anything BUT the scrolling). also note.. it's WINDOWS. this is NOT windows. this is X. only the tolkit and app know the context of whats inside a window and only they can (sanely) handle mouse events within that window and know what they were for. be they presses etc. yes - given a SPECIAL button it would be possible to intercept and figur eit out - but then.. how do you know WHICH thing to scroll? you have 2 scrollviews in a window? one on the top, one on the bottom. which scrolls? only the toolkit knows which should (ie which one you intiially pressed). yes you could try faking mousewheel buttons and this wont move the thing WITH the finger by the distance the finger moved. ie DRAG thge thing as far as you dragged with a finger as there is no correlation between a mouse wheel press and how far something moves in pixels. it's a toolkit issue, 2. right mouse also can be hackishly implemented in the windowing system - but thats wrong, as it has no idea what parts of the screen need a long press for emulating a right mouse. (thats the normal way to do it). this SHOULD be left to the toolkit. only the toolkit knows what parts of the screen are sensitive to a right-mouse press or not. and if it does this... it may as well handle it as along press anyway (as opposed to emulating right-mouse) I thought I could could use my mouse and use the right button on any part of the screen I wanted, without having a toolkit tell me whether I am allowed or not? Even if I have to emulate it some how, if I want to right click on something, the only thing I think the toolkit is allowed to do is sit there and take it ;) you can press the button. but only the TOOKIt knows what it should DO with it. is right mouse useful at all - will it do anything? am i just dragging sliders around with the left mouse (and then it is possibly you hold your left mouse down and still for a while when you begin or end a drag. only the toolkit knows if you just
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
+1 for putting the gps information (lat, long, date and time, hpv dops) . But please, OSMers, could you please help to know what you prefer : * adding them into the wav file (or ogg file) metadata ? Which format ? Have you any clue how to do it ? * just create a text file with the same name as the wav file and containing this info * just name each wav file with the long and lat and date time ? Please help. I would love to have this too, but we need more precisions. 2009/4/21 David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com On Tuesday 21 April 2009 12:17:41 Francesco de Virgilio wrote: First of all, thank you for the application :) The first time I've seen the screenshot on opkg.org, I've thought that it's big buttons are *perfect* for bike riding. So, the question is: OpenStreetMap mappers (and other people, BTW) need an application capable to take georeferred notes, which can easily can used to prospect them on mapping Desktop applications (such like JOSM[1]). It wold be REALLY great to have such an application on Neo for OSMers :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:46:46 +0200 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net said: Carsten, Thanks that you took the time to explain it more in depth. Could you (or others) give me some advise ragarding the following. I'm working on an application that was written by others in PyGTK. I like it because I can write in Python. Advantage of this GTK application is that I and others can run it easily on an Ubuntu desktop. Does something like 'PyEnlightenment' exist? Is this Paroli? If I was to port the application to Paroli or a 'PyEnlightenment', would it also work for noob users on desktops, i.e. can such a toolkit be installed via apt-get from the default Linux distribution repository? yes it does - there are ecore, evas, edje, elementary etc. bindings for python, they may be mostly complete. i don't maintain or use them though. as for apt-get install - you'll need to find some new repositories for that. we are actually preparing a snap of efl right now. elementary isn't included thoguh. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:05:44 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: i'm going to keep it short as i really dont have time to go into al the details. 1. i am not interested in c++. this gets rid of qt, fltk and a bunch of other toolkits. i know there are enough devs also not interested in c++. 2. this (in terms of major toolkits) gets you down to gtk or something else. so i'll focus on gtk vs efl. 1. gtk's theme engine is limited. it is limited by the code that lays out widgets. you cannot make a theme have extra padding in a widget. yo cannot add layering, text effects or many other things. gtk has no concept of layering between widgets. widgets are laid out flat and should/cannot overlap. 2. gtk is slower. even just start times. try an app that uses efl and one that uses gtk (and that have equivalently complex-looking themes/ui setups). see which one pops up your window first. i have gotten it from developers doing embedded evices to the point where they laughed at how slow gtk was. once they used evas/efl - their apps came up seconds sooner. and efl was playing no tricks to get there. even when they played the dlopen() tricks that maemo does to launch gtk fast - efl still beat gtk - and it was going the long way around. i have, in the meantime added a similar hack to elementary. and it now starts even faster. this is anecdotes directly from people using it. their managers are pressuring them to get apps to appear instantly. or as instantly as possible. they hit a wall with gtk they couldnt - for months, improve. someone decided to try efl and suddenly they were incredibly happy and moving forwards again. gtk - if you begin to do anything interesting with the theme and ui (theme engine) becomes pretty slow with redraws. visibly so on a slow old device. keep your gtk to grey bevels or solid colors with simply looks and it goes fine. get fancy and it comes to a crawl. 3. gtk has no ability to do blending in, aroudn or between widgets sanely because it uses child windows (you would need to introduce compositing to gtk or remove all child windows which will break its api) 4. try do a ui that INST just plain normal widgets with gtk. see where you get. try do xmms (winamp etc.). efl drops into this kind of ui seamlessly as it provides a canvas as the core drawing layer. making such custom ui;s (which many people are rather fond of and make sense in specific cases). try this in gtk (to the point of it being easy): http://www.rasterman.com/files/wp2.avi (i'm not done with it yet). 5. rendering. gtk uses cairo. cairo is full of floating point. the samsung 2442 has NO floating point unit. it's slow as arse without a fpu. many embedded systems have no fpu. add to this rendering other than fp.. this means simple pixel pushing (blending, scaling, etc.). cairo has a software engine of its own - but normally uses xrender. both of these are significantly slower than evas's software engine. by more than a factor of 2. doing the same operations. evas has an xrender engine. it even once had a cairo engine. here i clocked the cairo engine in at being 1/20th the speed of evas's existing software engine. evas also has a OpenGL engine, DirectFB, Quartz, win32, wince, (and here in my own sources i also have a OpenGLES 2.0 engine - sadnly the 3d GLES chipsets i've tested it on simply run at about 1/4 the speed of evas's software engine.. on the same platform... so it's awaiting some miracle to make it speed up to the point of it being useful). it can render to the FB directly (with no x11 involved). flipping between x and fb is a single line of code the app selects on init. thus a 1 liner to have your app work in fb to x11.. or both even without a single recompile or patch. there's an SDL engine, direct3d, memory-buffer renderer direct-draw and even qtopia engine. thats a hell of a lot of display targets. you can switch them simply by varying the init line. gtk does not go here. 6. there are existing meta-object abstraction libraries on top - edje. this allows you to define a complex object and layout in a data file. it splits the look/theme/feel away from the programmer a bit allowing non-programmers to generate them. it allows for defining interactions from events (mouse etc.) signals (virtual events from the app) and animations. thus you can very easily define a more custom layout for an app (eg a whole winamp skin) in a single data file... and just load it - place it where you want and let it go. edje handles the rest for you. the animation, interaction and abstractions for layout. no - it's not perfect. it has limits. but it's something gtk doesnt even vaguely offer. sure you have libglade and to an extent you can begin to do some.. but not all. not as easily. yes. i am saying it wasn't good enough. i started evas and efl because nothing else DID it. and still toolkits are
Re: Why enlightenment?
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: 4. try do a ui that INST just plain normal widgets with gtk. see where you get. try do xmms (winamp etc.). efl drops into this kind of ui seamlessly as it provides a canvas as the core drawing layer. making such custom ui;s (which many people are rather fond of and make sense in specific cases). try this in gtk (to the point of it being easy): http://www.rasterman.com/files/wp2.avi Wow - awesome! Respect! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr - messages + wsod
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Nelson Castillo arhu...@freaks-unidos.netwrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com wrote: it is back :( I just tried with the latest image and kernel and WSOD is there! I see. WSOD could be device specific. Could you try this kernel? http://wiki.emqbit.com/tmp/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-9c4451ff31b937a4.bin It doesn't include a recent patch that touches relevant timings. http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=bd4b7e8e84ab43a13a4620b001d52d373c2122b3 Please let us know how it works for you. wsod is still there with the latest (19/04!) SHR unstable! It doesn't happen immediately when you suspend. You have to wait a while :( Also the 'key-lock' button doesn't work any more! Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr - messages + wsod
Il giorno mar, 21/04/2009 alle 13.46 +0200, Petr Vanek ha scritto: wsod is still there with the latest (19/04!) SHR unstable! It doesn't happen immediately when you suspend. You have to wait a while :( unfortunately i can confirm this... just not sure whether i have booted by NOR or Qi (i needed usb networking and this is not working with Qi on this image) Petr Yeah, wsod is back, Nicolas Dufresne is remaking the kernel module wich handles the LCM sleep state, so, if someone is getting a better battery life, someone (only if you are lucky like you and me :D) is still stuck with the good old WSOD (i was missing it :D). It's not a problem, at least for now, just get back to the old 2.6.29-r2 kernel and then wsod will go away. I think that Nicolas is doing a good job, let's hope that he could solve the wsod problem with the new driver. Bye! Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr - messages + wsod
wsod is still there with the latest (19/04!) SHR unstable! It doesn't happen immediately when you suspend. You have to wait a while :( unfortunately i can confirm this... just not sure whether i have booted by NOR or Qi (i needed usb networking and this is not working with Qi on this image) Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: test QtEI
these logs are saved in /var/log? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: You can activate almost all kind of logging, just go to settings-logging and from the bottom menu there you can select Categories where you can activate all kind of logging. Franky On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: @Franky: is there a way to see what phone is doing? if yes, I can do it and send here the results... who does this sounds? On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: I don't know, I don't have a SIM card with which to check the status (I have a subscription, not a credit-based card). But it was to show that the dialer does support the * and # characters. And I believe these are normal calls, they just get interpreted by the phone company that then returns a special crafted message with the requested info. Hi, i am able to show my credit by calling *22# My image is this one [1], but i dont think that the image is different from any other images. It's probably operator specific or some other factor is involved. It is possible to enable modem commands logging and this could be used to debug the problem. Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qtmoko/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia Sent from Rome, RM, Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: test QtEI
Use logread to see the logs, but yes, they are saved there as well. But since the file rotates rather quickly, you won't save a lot of data. Franky On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: these logs are saved in /var/log? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: You can activate almost all kind of logging, just go to settings-logging and from the bottom menu there you can select Categories where you can activate all kind of logging. Franky On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: @Franky: is there a way to see what phone is doing? if yes, I can do it and send here the results... who does this sounds? On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: I don't know, I don't have a SIM card with which to check the status (I have a subscription, not a credit-based card). But it was to show that the dialer does support the * and # characters. And I believe these are normal calls, they just get interpreted by the phone company that then returns a special crafted message with the requested info. Hi, i am able to show my credit by calling *22# My image is this one [1], but i dont think that the image is different from any other images. It's probably operator specific or some other factor is involved. It is possible to enable modem commands logging and this could be used to debug the problem. Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qtmoko/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia Sent from Rome, RM, Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:23:46 +0200 Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: http://www.rasterman.com/files/wp2.avi (i'm not done with it yet). This is 100% astonishing and sexy - I want that on my desktop :P Congrats for the good work. it's in e17 in svn :) evas also has a OpenGL engine Sorry for being off-topic, but I've wondered about this for a while... does this mean that e17 will have its own compositing engine? Will it use hardware-accelerated graphics if available? Will that enable other developers to write plugins much like the ones seen in compiz or kwin? no. no compositing engine built-in. there is an extra module (bling) that composits - using xrender. its nothing more than xcompmgr as a module for e. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Asterisk on Freerunner was: voip on Debian
2009/4/19 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com: Some alsa guru may take a look at the chan_alsa.c file of asterisk 1.4.17? Jaroslav Kysela of ALSA pointed me to the problem (thanks), and effectively asterisk code does not support dmix plugin in it's state, I corrected it with a fast 2 line change workaround working only with dmix (a real patch is needed), and now asterisk/alsa is working great and stable. It's about two hours that I'm listening some mp3 on it sent by ekiga on the laptop :) I'll update about my progress on AMI interface soon. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
2009/4/21 Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: http://www.rasterman.com/files/wp2.avi (i'm not done with it yet). This is 100% astonishing and sexy - I want that on my desktop :P Congrats for the good work. The most exciting thing about e is that it's a combination of bleeding software and arts!!! Usually It's not so easy to have them together :) Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Asterisk on Freerunner was: voip on Debian
Hi thanks for this feedback ! Could you please write a wiki page about this, if not already done ? Thanks again Kimaidou 2009/4/21 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com 2009/4/19 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com: Some alsa guru may take a look at the chan_alsa.c file of asterisk 1.4.17? Jaroslav Kysela of ALSA pointed me to the problem (thanks), and effectively asterisk code does not support dmix plugin in it's state, I corrected it with a fast 2 line change workaround working only with dmix (a real patch is needed), and now asterisk/alsa is working great and stable. It's about two hours that I'm listening some mp3 on it sent by ekiga on the laptop :) I'll update about my progress on AMI interface soon. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: test QtEI
*123# Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD*123# Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Apr 21 15:53:34 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:34 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : ? : OK *123*3# Apr 21 15:54:39 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:54:39 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD*123*3# Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Apr 21 15:54:44 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:44 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : ? : OK I have no clue about what this means... I hope someone has... Please tell me if the report is missing info or is wrong. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: Use logread to see the logs, but yes, they are saved there as well. But since the file rotates rather quickly, you won't save a lot of data. Franky On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: these logs are saved in /var/log? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: You can activate almost all kind of logging, just go to settings-logging and from the bottom menu there you can select Categories where you can activate all kind of logging. Franky On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: @Franky: is there a way to see what phone is doing? if yes, I can do it and send here the results... who does this sounds? On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: I don't know, I don't have a SIM card with which to check the status (I have a subscription, not a credit-based card). But it was to show that the dialer does support the * and # characters. And I believe these are normal calls, they just get interpreted by the phone company that then returns a special crafted message with the requested info. Hi, i am able to show my credit by calling *22# My image is this one [1], but i dont think that the image is different from any other images. It's probably operator specific or some other factor is involved. It is possible to enable modem commands logging and this could be used to debug the problem. Radek [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/qtmoko/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia Sent from Rome, RM, Italy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
On Tuesday 21 April 2009, kimaidou wrote: +1 for putting the gps information (lat, long, date and time, hpv dops) . But please, OSMers, could you please help to know what you prefer : * adding them into the wav file (or ogg file) metadata ? Which format ? Have you any clue how to do it ? * just create a text file with the same name as the wav file and containing this info * just name each wav file with the long and lat and date time ? Please help. I would love to have this too, but we need more precisions. http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/HowTo/AudioMapping I've not tried audio mapping yet as while I'm cycling the wind noise tends to drown me out. I'm tempted to try with a throat mic plugged into the moko though, so long as there's an app that makes it sufficiently easy. A background app that records both audio and tracklog with matching filenames, and splits logs when the headset button is pressed sounds like the ideal, but I may change my mind once I try ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] 4-16 shr-testing is pretty good!
2009/4/21 Vasco Névoa vasco.ne...@sapo.pt: Well, Xavier, I gave up on my Portuguese accentuated characters a while ago. Since I only use the keyboard's dictionary for SMS messages, it's ok (kids today are writing a lot worse on SMS than just a few missing accents...) ;) You can type accents. You just can't use the dictionnary with it as it will be slow as hell. I've been using french keyboard accents without any problem :-) -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] call for help
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Dear Franky, Don't give up. It is astonishing how much the Qtei has improved in the last month, since it has been abandoned from trolltech. My impression is that it has improved much more in the last month then in the previous 2 releases. I suppose Trolltech in the last monthes diddn't really focus on Freerunner support. On my side, when April passess I will try to make a better keyboard :-) by now I'm stuck with work (April is the cruellest month, as Elliot said...) ciao, leonardo. -- http://leonardo.lilik.it Key fingerprint = 2C20 A587 05AC 42E5 1292 D0D4 3EED CFB5 52FD AD1E ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
Hi, I have been using OSMtracker [1] for taking voice notes while biking, using the phone headset/microphone. I think it creates a GPX file with some anchors in it, pointing at the wav files names, it has generated. While opening the GPX file under JOSM, with wav files in the GPX directory, I get icons all over the track that I can click to hear it. This looks like this: trkpt lat=XX. lon=XX. ele74.8/ele time2008-09-14T16:27:40Z/time /trkpt /trkseg /trk wpt lat=YY. lon=YY. ele126.3000/ele namevoice/name desc2008-09-14T15:41:19Z/desc link href=20080914_174113.wav / /wpt For me, this is satisfying. I can upload the GPX to OSM website without problem. The only drawback if I would be picky, would be the extra data in the GPX that is sent to OSM for nothing. Onen [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker kimaidou wrote: +1 for putting the gps information (lat, long, date and time, hpv dops) . But please, OSMers, could you please help to know what you prefer : * adding them into the wav file (or ogg file) metadata ? Which format ? Have you any clue how to do it ? * just create a text file with the same name as the wav file and containing this info * just name each wav file with the long and lat and date time ? Please help. I would love to have this too, but we need more precisions. 2009/4/21 David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com mailto:da...@garabana.com On Tuesday 21 April 2009 12:17:41 Francesco de Virgilio wrote: First of all, thank you for the application :) The first time I've seen the screenshot on opkg.org http://opkg.org, I've thought that it's big buttons are *perfect* for bike riding. So, the question is: OpenStreetMap mappers (and other people, BTW) need an application capable to take georeferred notes, which can easily can used to prospect them on mapping Desktop applications (such like JOSM[1]). It wold be REALLY great to have such an application on Neo for OSMers :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
Hi, Al Johnson wrote: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/HowTo/AudioMapping I've not tried audio mapping yet as while I'm cycling the wind noise tends to drown me out. I'm tempted to try with a throat mic plugged into the moko though, so long as there's an app that makes it sufficiently easy. A background app that records both audio and tracklog with matching filenames, and splits logs when the headset button is pressed sounds like the ideal, but I may change my mind once I try ;-) As described in my other response, this is basically what I have done (under WM :-( ). Phone in the pocket, press a button, talk in headset/microphone. This way I can prevent from stopping. My previous response describes which application I used, and how it is internally working. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr - messages + wsod
Pietro Montorfano wrote: just get back to the old 2.6.29-r2 kernel and then wsod will go away. How can this be achieved? The WSOD is really getting on my nerves. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Onen ha scritto: Hi, I have been using OSMtracker [1] for taking voice notes while biking, using the phone headset/microphone. I think it creates a GPX file with some anchors in it, pointing at the wav files names, it has generated. While opening the GPX file under JOSM, with wav files in the GPX directory, I get icons all over the track that I can click to hear it. This looks like this: trkpt lat=XX. lon=XX. ele74.8/ele time2008-09-14T16:27:40Z/time /trkpt /trkseg /trk wpt lat=YY. lon=YY. ele126.3000/ele namevoice/name desc2008-09-14T15:41:19Z/desc link href=20080914_174113.wav / /wpt For me, this is satisfying. I can upload the GPX to OSM website without problem. The only drawback if I would be picky, would be the extra data in the GPX that is sent to OSM for nothing. Onen Great Onen! I think this should be the approach if we want to create a georeferred voicenote application, starting from Dictator. To be picky ( :D ) it's really simple to write a python script to clean the extra data. The only thing I notice, in our (community) work is that today we have a LOT of applications doing gpx recording (going with memory, I remember TangoGPS, BikeAtor, Navit, probably also GPS Sight and Mumpot). Some applications have a database to insert POIs (like TangoGPS), but still doesn't exists something integrating all the features we (OSMmappers/surveyors) need. - -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:frad...@ubuntu-it.org http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia projects contributor* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.netsons.org Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software GPG 0x6482E056 (FP B996 A12C BD52 2A9B CDD3 812D 462D 93B0 6482 E056) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknuFtsACgkQRi2TsGSC4FYXfgCbBt1Hv6emHOGKMBHjAOKFvIkP OksAn3eUwq0Tynm11ckV9DXUuW7hrr/e =wIXv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Reading this, I do not consider continuing this discussion useful. Thank you for your reply and happy hacking! Bram On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 21:38 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:00:33 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:52 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:13:08 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said: This looks like a great list! I'll go through the points one by one... On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 01:03 +0200, Leonti Bielski wrote: Enlightenment is the best choice for Freerunner! 1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an example - you can change their look, even functions - like digital clock instead of analog - without changin the main code. I don't say it's not possible with GTK but it way more complicated. I'll have to look into how complicated this would be with GTK, but I'll take your word for it. However, if you change the clock from digital to analog, then you will get layout problems. I thought switching glade(/gtkbuilder) files would be perfect for something like that and with the glade interface developer, making new layouts would be easy for everybody. I'll take your word for it that is really is easier. trust me - e is by far more flexible than gtk in changing look,layout and feel just by changing a theme data file. i wrote gtk's theme system. i also wrote e... :) Yes, I trust you on that. But I don't think theming is always a good thing. That is, however, just a matter of opinion. 2. Finger scrolling - it works by default. If I know that app is written in Elementary - I know that it's finger-friendly. Also - compare matchbox keyboard and illume one - latter is far more finger-friendly. I really thought finger scrolling would be a task that should be implemented by the touchscreen driver/library software, or if needed the window manager, but not the GUI toolkit. What about right-clicking support? If you put right-clicking support, scrolling, and other emulate a normal mouse behavior in the GUI toolkit, I think you are putting it in the wrong place. 1. absolutely not. scrolling is an app+toolkit thing. scrolling needs to track the mouse position. i can go into all the logic an math why - as it also conflicts with normal use (like dragging a slider, pressing buttons in a scrollable region etc.). the toolkit/app needs to figure out did they want to slide the slider, or scroll the view? for example. trust me that its a toolkit/app problem. The only example I can state here is something I first say implemented by a logitech driver on windows. To scroll you pressed a special button on your mouse anywhere on the screen and then moved the pointer away to start scrolling. The further away from your initial point, the faster you scolled. This worked with all toolkits (including Java SWT, GTK+, Firefox's toolkit). So I can't get myself to trust you on that. that's because there was a SPECIAL BUTTON! a special app can grab that 1 button everywhere (thus its not useful for anything BUT the scrolling). also note.. it's WINDOWS. this is NOT windows. this is X. only the tolkit and app know the context of whats inside a window and only they can (sanely) handle mouse events within that window and know what they were for. be they presses etc. yes - given a SPECIAL button it would be possible to intercept and figur eit out - but then.. how do you know WHICH thing to scroll? you have 2 scrollviews in a window? one on the top, one on the bottom. which scrolls? only the toolkit knows which should (ie which one you intiially pressed). yes you could try faking mousewheel buttons and this wont move the thing WITH the finger by the distance the finger moved. ie DRAG thge thing as far as you dragged with a finger as there is no correlation between a mouse wheel press and how far something moves in pixels. it's a toolkit issue, 2. right mouse also can be hackishly implemented in the windowing system - but thats wrong, as it has no idea what parts of the screen need a long press for emulating a right mouse. (thats the normal way to do it). this SHOULD be left to the toolkit. only the toolkit knows what parts of the screen are sensitive to a right-mouse press or not. and if it does this... it may as well handle it as along press anyway (as opposed to emulating right-mouse) I thought I could could use my mouse and use the right button on any part of the screen I wanted, without having a toolkit tell me whether I am allowed or not? Even if I have to emulate it some how, if I want to right click on something, the only thing I think the toolkit is allowed to do is sit there and take it ;) you can press the button. but only the TOOKIt knows
Re: Old accel-using apps should be fixed
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Why do you drop the list from Cc? There're more chances you'll get answer from it than from me. Sorry didn't mean to drop the list from Cc On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 06:38:58AM -0400, Adam Jimerson wrote: Thanks for that I was unaware of the change in the api, is there a way I can test the accelerometers without the use of any program from opkg, or with a program that is known to work? Hm, input-events from input-utils package? Or the newest openmoocow (i'm not sure it is already packaged, but the git version includes all the fixes for sure, see his git repo). I'll check them out, and keep an eye out for updates to these programs, thanks again for the suggest and sorry for not including the list on my last post. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: test QtEI
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:56:20 +0200 Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: *123# Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD*123# Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Apr 21 15:53:34 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:34 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : ? : OK *123*3# Apr 21 15:54:39 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:54:39 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD*123*3# Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Apr 21 15:54:44 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:44 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : ? : OK I have no clue about what this means... I hope someone has... Please tell me if the report is missing info or is wrong. no clue either ... are you sure these are the correct numbers? Which qtextended version are you using (where did you download it, etc ...)? Is it based on a 2.6.24 kernel or are you using a 2.6.28 kernel (like in my install script)? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever
kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com writes: * adding them into the wav file (or ogg file) metadata ? Which format ? Have you any clue how to do it ? Just use timestamped recordings and correlate those later against GPS data. If you to ask the GPS for the current location you get lower/unpredictable precision (important if you are moving fast in a car for example) and you can not use external GPS device not connected to the phone at all. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why enlightenment?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:46:46 +0200 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net said: Does something like 'PyEnlightenment' exist? Is this Paroli? If I was to port the application to Paroli or a 'PyEnlightenment', would it also work for noob users on desktops, i.e. can such a toolkit be installed via apt-get from the default Linux distribution repository? yes it does - there are ecore, evas, edje, elementary etc. bindings for python, they may be mostly complete. i don't maintain or use them though. as for apt-get install - you'll need to find some new repositories for that. we are actually preparing a snap of efl right now. elementary isn't included thoguh. I guess you can install everything easily from SVN (see the get_e.sh by Raster). I'm doing it (using my own scripts BTW) for some months and all works always well. So I'd suggest to compile it in your own machine, then you'll be able to use python as C (of course :P) to write your software... I'm doing this and also with the help of Xephyr I can forget to write for a phone. When finally I compile the code for my little ARM boy :P I'm pretty sure that all is working as expected since the toolkits I'm using are good (also) for it! ;) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: backing up rootfs fails - after 40m FreeRunner continues booting
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Any particular reason you omitted the list from Cc? Feel free to bring conversation back there, so everybody benefits. No reason, just hit reply like I did with all other posts. Only this time Gmail didn't address the list but you personally. Could have something to do with the fact that you wrote your reply to me and CC'd the list... On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 09:05:50AM +0200, Bram Mertens wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Bram Mertens mertensb.ma...@gmail.com writes: So it looks like NAND U-Boot was updated but NOR hasn't. However http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Backup#Backing-up_flash_images specifically states that you need to be in NOR U-Boot before flashing/backing up. Then the wiki is wrong. There's absolutely zero sense in backing up u-boot itself and other partitions are perfectly readable when you boot to NAND. OK, is there any reason why one would want to be in U-Boot in the NOR Flash for backing up instead of NAND flash? I guess no. For backing up you need a fixed u-boot anyway. And you can only update NAND u-boot. And NAND u-boot is loaded from NAND to RAM on start, so it can access any NAND partition for reading. It's recommended to use NOR u-boot to flash u-boot partition and also only NOR u-boot is available when one uses Qi. That said, i see no reason to use u-boot's backup facility at all, because if you can boot the device, you can scp or nc from it anyway. And if you can't boot from NAND for whatever reason, you can boot using any SD image and backup anything you need. Perhaps you can update the wiki page? If not I'll rephrase it to: As when flashing, you will need to be in [http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Log_into_U-Boot_in_the_NAND_Flash U-Boot in the NAND Flash]. I guess it's ok, go ahead. From what I understand the Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner page could use an update as well. It only metions the possibility of flashing the device in the U-Boot in the NOR Flash section not in the NAND section. Yes, please update it. Nor does it metion backing up the device. It's not very useful anyway, see above. However the NOR section does have a comment that seems to be interesting: When flashing the device via USB connection, you must choose Set console to USB by pressing the AUX key until it is highlighted and then press the power button to select it. I flashed Qi many times from NOR u-boot, never did anything special (so i suspect this suggestion is wrong). Would this help prevent the timeout I get? No, NOR u-boot times out in 30 seconds anyway. You need to prepare everything beforehand and then start NOR to avoid hitting the timeout. On another note: Backing up using NeoTool failed last night becuase Reason I was unable to connect via SSH is that I included the MAC address in NetworkManager's configuration and the usb0 device received (or generated?) a new one. So this time I was able to create a backup of the kernel, the U-Boot and the rootfs using NeoTool (Thanks to Dale as well for a very clear step-by-step). Backing up the rootfs took about 10 minutes compared to +40 minutes with dfu-util and the complete image is merely 83M in size, whereas the file created by dfu-util is 247M when the backup is terminated due to the timeout! Does this mean that dfu-util backs up the entire disk (which according to the output below is approx the size of the resulting jffs2 image) and NeoTool only backs up the data that has been written? However even then 83M is less than what's reported in use. Or does NeoTool compress the data somehow? r...@om-gta02:~# df -h FilesystemSize Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 246.6M 92.9M153.7M 38% / /dev/root 246.6M 92.9M153.7M 38% / tmpfs40.0k 0 40.0k 0% /mnt/.exquisite udev 2.0M 12.0k 2.0M 1% /dev shmfs61.6M 12.0k 61.6M 0% /dev/shm /dev/mmcblk0p18.7M 3.8M 4.9M 44% /media/card volatile 61.6M368.0k 61.3M 1% /var/volatile I never understood why anything special can be needed if we already have ssh/scp. Therefore never used NeoTool. Perhaps (well actually likely) I'm missing something but as far as I understand you need a working distribution before you would be able to restore files via SSH. The point of this exercise for me is to back up the only distro that works for me so far - which is the distro that came with the device - before attempting to install anything else. My earlier attempts to install a distro to the SD card have not been very successful: the one distro that boots apparantely has a non-working dbus implementation or something meaning that few if any applications are actually useful. I was also unable to SSH into
Re: test QtEI
I am using a 2.6.24 kernel and your image from the 3rd of april On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:56:20 +0200 Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: *123# Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD*123# Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Apr 21 15:53:34 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:34 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : ? : OK *123*3# Apr 21 15:54:39 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:54:39 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD*123*3# Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Apr 21 15:54:44 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:44 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : ? : OK I have no clue about what this means... I hope someone has... Please tell me if the report is missing info or is wrong. no clue either ... are you sure these are the correct numbers? Which qtextended version are you using (where did you download it, etc ...)? Is it based on a 2.6.24 kernel or are you using a 2.6.28 kernel (like in my install script)? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr - messages + wsod
Il giorno mar, 21/04/2009 alle 22.30 +0400, ivvmm ha scritto: Pietro Montorfano wrote: just get back to the old 2.6.29-r2 kernel and then wsod will go away. How can this be achieved? The WSOD is really getting on my nerves. Quite simple but dirty: 1) download a tar.gz version of shr which was running and the uImage, let's say the one built on 10th of april, before the big upgrade. 2) get the /lib/modules/2.6.29-r2 dir out of the tar.gz 3) copy it to your FR with scp, obviously it should be in /lib/modules 4) run depmod -ae from your FR 5a) if you are using the flash, use dfu-util to flash the kernel 5b) if you are using the uSD, copy the uImage in the right place There are other ways like using opkg or something similar but, hey, this is simple and it's working :D Bye! Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8
(install instructions and script updated on 2090421: see below) Problems solved: See http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qt-issues-fixed.txt Latest: - 20090421: save contact now works from with the Call list overview (the dialog with the question to create a new contact was stuck on screen with yes/no, fix thanks to Lorn) For those wanting a binary diff: sorry, I only changed 1 file (savetocontacts.cpp), but I don't know which binary file changed because of this. Problems found (more like small nuisances now): === See http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qt-issues.txt Install instructions: = download the script http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090421.tgz. Enjoy! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: test QtEI
Then I recommend you first upgrade to a 2.6.28 based kernel (if you can live without bluetooth) and the latest release (or at least the latest release). For a 2.6.28 kernel, see these comments at the top of my install script. I use this kernel: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/uImage-2.6.28-andy-tracking+gitr6+9c4451ff31b937a478f3d3eabef30b71cbe12b12-r3-om-gta02.bin and the fso-console-image from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta02/20090404/ Franky On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:25:33 +0200 Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: I am using a 2.6.24 kernel and your image from the 3rd of april On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:56:20 +0200 Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: *123# Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : Apr 21 15:53:30 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD*123# Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:31 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Apr 21 15:53:34 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:53:34 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : ? : OK *123*3# Apr 21 15:54:39 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:54:39 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : Apr 21 15:54:40 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::write() Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD*123*3# Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:41 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Apr 21 15:54:44 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: Mux : QGsm0710MultiplexerPrivate::read() Apr 21 15:54:44 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: AtChat : ? : OK I have no clue about what this means... I hope someone has... Please tell me if the report is missing info or is wrong. no clue either ... are you sure these are the correct numbers? Which qtextended version are you using (where did you download it, etc ...)? Is it based on a 2.6.24 kernel or are you using a 2.6.28 kernel (like in my install script)? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qtei] Which IDE for Development?
Hello all, I want to get a little more involved in development for Qtei. Especially after Franky's cry for help. Franky: I have to agree with Leonardo - great work! To you and everybody else working on Qtei - I'm really impressed with the improvements in the last months. So why am I writing this mail... I have downloaded the sources of Qtextended and also built it a couple of times. I also did a checkout of the new git repository and that worked for me as well. But any changes I made I had to type into a plain text editor and that is kind of annoying. Is there any IDE one can use for the development? Coming from software development with Qt Desktop I think I would be able to contribute, but working with a normal editor is not really fun. Also: Is there a way to debug the newly written applications? I am willing to install any Linux distribution and any package needed for development - but I have to admit I don't have a clue what to install. Any comment and recommendation is welcome! Roland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:37:18 +0200 Roland qtextended.kos...@web.de wrote: Hello all, I want to get a little more involved in development for Qtei. Especially after Franky's cry for help. Franky: I have to agree with Leonardo - great work! To you and everybody else working on Qtei - I'm really impressed with the improvements in the last months. tx! So why am I writing this mail... I have downloaded the sources of Qtextended and also built it a couple of times. I also did a checkout of the new git repository and that worked for me as well. But any changes I made I had to type into a plain text editor and that is kind of annoying. Is there any IDE one can use for the development? Coming from software development with Qt Desktop I think I would be able to contribute, but working with a normal editor is not really fun. Also: Is there a way to debug the newly written applications? I am willing to install any Linux distribution and any package needed for development - but I have to admit I don't have a clue what to install. Any comment and recommendation is welcome! Roland well, I'm a linux man, and a fervent vi-user. So I do all my work commandline-based, no IDE :-) But according to this: http://qtextended.org/modules/xoopsfaq/index.php?cat_id=2#9 it seems there exists at least one IDE for windows, and another for linux. I have fedora 10 installed, and it has kdevelop in its repositories. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtei] Which IDE for Development?
Roland wrote: Hello all, I want to get a little more involved in development for Qtei. Especially after Franky's cry for help. Franky: I have to agree with Leonardo - great work! To you and everybody else working on Qtei - I'm really impressed with the improvements in the last months. So why am I writing this mail... I have downloaded the sources of Qtextended and also built it a couple of times. I also did a checkout of the new git repository and that worked for me as well. But any changes I made I had to type into a plain text editor and that is kind of annoying. Is there any IDE one can use for the development? You can try the kdevelop out of the neo vmware sdk. There are some scripts in there to use to help, although it is not totally integrated. You can use QtCreator to edit, but again, it's not integrated and it knows nothing about qbuild, same as KDevelop. Qtopia/Qt Extended development was always using an editor, a console and maybe designer. Coming from software development with Qt Desktop I think I would be able to contribute, but working with a normal editor is not really fun. Also: Is there a way to debug the newly written applications? gdb, or kdbg. Again there is helper scripts and stuff in the sdk. I am willing to install any Linux distribution and any package needed for development - but I have to admit I don't have a clue what to install. Needs vmplayer (or virtualbox) http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=78 Any comment and recommendation is welcome! Roland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software RD, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
c_c wrote: 2. Can I have a slider kind of menu coming in from the sides/bottom? I know it can be done using evas - but I don't know how. That way I can shift out the top 3 buttons (and more that I will add later) from the view so increasing my view area - and yet have them available for use. I don't know about animation, but if you want just to show the slider when something is playing you have to add a box at the beginning, then packing the data (sliders, labels...) there every time that is needed. Then you can't simply hide them not to show them; you have to use evas_object_del for each component of the box, and finally hide (not delete) the box. I've an implementation of this in eTube, give a look to my search-bar code. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Asterisk on Freerunner was: voip on Debian
2009/4/21 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com: Hi thanks for this feedback ! Could you please write a wiki page about this, if not already done ? I started a page at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Asterisk Everyone interested is invited to correct (english is not my native language) and collaborate, there is a lot to do :) Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Unstable] Forcing fast-charge
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 02:19:04AM +0100, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am So 19. April 2009 schrieb Rask Ingemann Lambertsen: usb_curlim can be 0, 100, 500 or 1000 while chg_curlim is between 0 and 996 (in steps of about 4). checked 8.12.6.9, Tbl 95, Tbl94, and it's mentioning : 255/255 × Ich(ref) for max current. Please explain to me. Probably I'm missing some details The range of the sysfs entry is 0 to 996. I too think the scaling in the pcf50633 driver is slightly off (by about 0.4 %). -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.24) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Hi, Thomas Seiler wrote: EAPI void elm_theme_overlay_add(const char *item); EAPI void elm_theme_extension_add(const char *item); I think these allow the application to add their own themes app dependent *.edj, either _before_ ELM_THEME (that would be elm_theme_overlay_add() ) or _after_ ELM_THEME (that would be elm_theme_extension_add() ) Yup. That works. Thanks! @Mirko : Well, here's what I did to get entry's back to black text. Added these line in the program:- const char *theme = intone; elm_theme_iverlay_add(theme); Cut out the entry group from the original elementary theme default.edj. Saved it as intone.edj in /home/root/.elementary/themes/intone.edj. And, its done. I get back black text for my entries. Simple - once you know how - and with people to show you the way! Thanks again Thomas! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2673661.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Hi, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: .. you have to use evas_object_del for each component of the box, and finally hide (not delete) the box. Thanks for the tip. Will try that out today. Actually, I've also figured out how to make the list smaller in the vertical axis. All that was needed was to reduce the finger size. Still learning the nuances of using elementary - and most things turn out to be pretty elementary once you know how! If only there was a cookbook -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Intone-%280.30---beta-release%29-Elementary-based-mplayer-frontend-tp2587826p2673672.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
vmware image for building apps for openmoko
Hi all, is there some image of VMware that contains all the tools and stuff to compile applications for OM ? Thx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 8
Awesome work :) I don't see in the list of the fixed bug the SMS duplication, but I read you fixed it. You forgot to put it in the list? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090421: see below) Problems solved: See http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qt-issues-fixed.txt Latest: - 20090421: save contact now works from with the Call list overview (the dialog with the question to create a new contact was stuck on screen with yes/no, fix thanks to Lorn) For those wanting a binary diff: sorry, I only changed 1 file (savetocontacts.cpp), but I don't know which binary file changed because of this. Problems found (more like small nuisances now): === See http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qt-issues.txt Install instructions: = download the script http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/openmoko_install.sh , read the comments at the top and then execute the script on your openmoko (after having flashed the device and made sure internet works). For those who just want to replace their existing QtE: just download the QtE compressed file and replace your existing QtE with it: http://users.telenet.be/liedekef/qte_20090421.tgz. Enjoy! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fabio A Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Key: 9EF6 3C79 F6DF 76CD 770A 43A1 DCCB 415C 9656 3334 Envolved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
