On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote:
What about looking into SHR or other openmoko distro to copy the
compile options of SDL?
I think SDL is a needed instrument, because it would allow the support
of many applications that are not supported by Qt Extended
Hi c_c
And what about a debian .deb package ? There are already some music player
packages, but none is as finger friendly as inton (my opinion), e.g Sonata,
or gmpc (which are frontend for mpd )
Thanks in advance
Kimaidou
2009/4/27 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com
Hi,
The openmoko feeds have
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
I've finally modified the OSD skin to improve the usability (from my
point of view). You can find it here [4].
Nice job!
I only see a little glitch : on the upper right corner, your GPS signal
'widget' is on top of your current road name 'widget', hence
Hello list!
I want to tell that Mokomaze (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) is still
developing.
Currently I am preparing release of a new version (with completely new
physics and graphics engines) which will satisfy (almost) all your
improvement requests.
The upcoming version (0.5.0) will include
BTW : you can have a huge speedup in menus (from 1 or 2s to almost nothing)
by using PNG files instead of SVG.
I've posted the tip on the French forum, but forgot to paste it here, until
it is integrated in navit's SVN.
I've made a tarball with the necessary files here :
El Saturday, 25 de April de 2009 01:30:45 Robin Paulson va escriure:
rebooted the phone and the laptop, and still nothing
dmesg gives this, which looks like it can see the phone, but not
figure out what it is
[ 1448.937469] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[
Hi
Last night I suspended my FreeRunner from SHR-testing, hoping that the
alarm clock would work like it does on my Nokia.
The alarm didn't work and when I tried to start it today the screen
remained black.
Sometimes when I press the power button I get the messages on screen
as if it's waking
Wow, it looks awesome!
r
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:37 AM, ANT ant0...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello list!
I want to tell that Mokomaze (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) is still
developing.
Currently I am preparing release of a new version (with completely new
physics and graphics engines) which
Cool,
As soon as I can start SHR again (see my other post) I'll give this a try!
@Arne: the second step of saving the messages is that the redirection
of the output in David's script? Or did you mean a separate command?
@Johnny: looking forward to those improvements!
Regards
Bram
On Mon,
With some work, it would also be possible to write a directFB gui for navit.
Somebody (Boris_Omega in #navit) started working on it some times ago, but
he got busy on other things since, and i'm not aware of someone else
continuing the work currently.
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Wow i have seen the new mokomaze's video very Cool!!!
Il giorno lun, 27/04/2009 alle 00.37 -0700, ANT ha scritto:
Hello list!
I want to tell that Mokomaze (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) is still
developing.
Currently I am preparing release of a new version (with completely new
physics and
Please people add all these hacks to one single package easily
available so everyone don't have to go find a navit skin, images,
config file etc for freerunner but just download install (or untar)
a single package..
Thanks!
r
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On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:22 PM, leona...@lilik.it leona...@lilik.it wrote:
I've already build a new image with this (not online yet, since I'm
setting it up on a new space). A visual hint for prediciveness would
be nice, but I leave that up to you :-)
btw, I also added code for a backspace
since i upgraded to shr-testing from april 23rd, there's no longer a
screen lock. if i press the aux button, nothing happens. if i press
the power button and then hit lock, it tells me No PAM support was
built in to Enlightenment, desk locking is disabled
any suggestions how to fix this?
cheers
Is the debian source package also available somewhere?
http://navit.latouche.info/debian/sid/navit_0.1.0+svn-2234.diff.gz
does
./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE)
--prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man
--infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info CFLAGS=-g
2009/4/27 Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com:
you can bind the aux button to Desktop Simple Lock.
open the wrench -- input -- keybindings
cheers, got that sorted. problem is, i get the same error message
about PAM support not built into enlightenment
On Apr 27, 2009 11:09am, Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com wrote:
you can bind the aux button to Desktop Simple Lock.
open the wrench -- input -- keybindings
Thanks for the tip, but the window is larger than the screen. How can I
scroll it left and right?
Thomas Franck wrote:
Hi..
Helge Hafting wrote:
Also, dictator seems to record in stereo, while these sources are mono.
One channel is silent. Avoiding unnecessary stereo gives the cpu less
work, which is important with this weak cpu.
I haven't tested Dictator yet.. but I really liked
Jakob wrote:
you can bind the aux button to Desktop Simple Lock.
open the wrench -- input -- keybindings
Configurability is nice, but how about having Desktop Simple Lock set
up as default in the shipped image? Unless SHR is planning another
default use for the AUX button, that is.
Helge
thanks a lot !
2009/4/27 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com
Hi,
kimaidou wrote:
And what about a debian .deb package ?
Well, I hadn't thought of one. Thanks for bringing this up. Will have to
read some tutorials on how to make one. I think they are quite similar to
the .ipk's in that they too
On 27/04/2009, at 5:14 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Fabio Locati
fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote:
What about looking into SHR or other openmoko distro to copy the
compile options of SDL?
I think SDL is a needed instrument, because it would allow the
@Arne: the second step of saving the messages is that the redirection
of the output in David's script? Or did you mean a separate command?
i hadn't seen david's screen when answering -- but ...
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
you can bind the aux button to Desktop Simple Lock.
open the wrench -- input -- keybindings
On 4/27/09, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
since i upgraded to shr-testing from april 23rd, there's no longer a
screen lock. if i press the aux button, nothing happens. if i press
the
Christoph Pulster wrote:
Thanks to David Samblas, who wrote the Wiki for Bluetooth Keyboard:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard
we have stock up with the Freedom Ltd. Slim Keyboard.
A bit too slim for my use. I remap my keyboards to Norwegian, but that
requires another key
2009/4/27 Jose Luis Perez Diez perezd...@gmail.com:
El Saturday, 25 de April de 2009 01:30:45 Robin Paulson va escriure:
rebooted the phone and the laptop, and still nothing
dmesg gives this, which looks like it can see the phone, but not
figure out what it is
[ 1448.937469] hub 1-0:1.0:
2009/4/27 jeffrey.ratcli...@gmail.com:
On Apr 27, 2009 11:09am, Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com wrote:
you can bind the aux button to Desktop Simple Lock.
open the wrench -- input -- keybindings
Thanks for the tip, but the window is larger than the screen. How can I
scroll it left and
Hi,
kimaidou wrote:
And what about a debian .deb package ?
Well, I hadn't thought of one. Thanks for bringing this up. Will have to
read some tutorials on how to make one. I think they are quite similar to
the .ipk's in that they too have a control file etc.
The next release - coming
On Apr 27, 2009 11:27am, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
commands available. or try the 'Rotator' app, to get landscape mode
Ah, yes. That did the trick. Now what I would really like to do is to bind
the AUX key to a script that switched between portrait and landscape modes,
Recording GSM and Mic in different channels will be implemented in the
next version. :)
Thanks for your feedback! It was just a state-file-issue.
Matthias
Helge Hafting schrieb:
Thomas Franck wrote:
Hi..
Helge Hafting wrote:
Also, dictator seems to record in stereo, while these
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:37, ANT ant0...@gmail.com wrote:
I want to tell that Mokomaze (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) is still
developing.
Does that mean that Mokomaze will be compatible with recent kernels? Now it
doesn't work on andy-tracking (changed working style of accelerometers).
Helge Hafting wrote:
Configurability is nice, but how about having Desktop Simple Lock set
up as default in the shipped image? Unless SHR is planning another
default use for the AUX button, that is.
Helge Hafting
I second that. It was the default behavior until recently, and it was
On Monday 27 April 2009 12:51:49 Johny Tenfinger wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 09:37, ANT ant0...@gmail.com wrote:
I want to tell that Mokomaze (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) is still
developing.
Does that mean that Mokomaze will be compatible with recent kernels? Now it
doesn't work on
Woo, fantastic :) I like it.
On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 11:43 +0200, Helge Hafting wrote:
Christoph Pulster wrote:
Thanks to David Samblas, who wrote the Wiki for Bluetooth Keyboard:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard
we have stock up with the Freedom Ltd. Slim Keyboard.
A
Hi,
on the Neo (not ssh) you can try:
enlightenment_remote -binding-key-del ANY Keycode-177 NONE 1 simple_lock
and:
enlightenment_remote -binding-key-add ANY Keycode-177 NONE 1 simple_lock
To have a sample screen lock.
icp.
Il giorno lun, 27/04/2009 alle 08.45 +, Robin Paulson ha
KaZeR wrote:
Now, short press lock screen, 1s press rotate the screen. Useful to
quickly switch to landscape mode for navit for example.
I tried omrotate in the past, but i didn't like auto-rotation. If the
phone was started in a position where it should be rotated, display was
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Fabio Locati wrote:
I think that we should have a complete list of the QtEI GITs:
- http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/lpotter/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/FilipBE/qtextended/
-
icp wrote:
Hi,
on the Neo (not ssh) you can try:
enlightenment_remote -binding-key-del ANY Keycode-177 NONE 1
simple_lock
and:
enlightenment_remote -binding-key-add ANY Keycode-177 NONE 1
simple_lock
To have a sample screen lock.
icp.
Thanks for the tip! When flashing a
KaZeR wrote:
Helge Hafting wrote:
Configurability is nice, but how about having Desktop Simple Lock set
up as default in the shipped image? Unless SHR is planning another
default use for the AUX button, that is.
Helge Hafting
I second that. It was the default behavior
I suppose that there are no changes in accelerometer's sysfs paths or device
events in new kernels since Mokomaze 0.2.3-1 released (15 april). Please try
that (latest) version of the game and let me know if it works or not.
Johny Tenfinger wrote:
Does that mean that Mokomaze will be compatible
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Mikko Husari hu...@husku.net wrote:
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Fabio Locati wrote:
I think that we should have a complete list of the QtEI GITs:
- http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/lpotter/qtmoko/
-
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/4/27 Jose Luis Perez Diez perezd...@gmail.com:
El Saturday, 25 de April de 2009 01:30:45 Robin Paulson va escriure:
rebooted the phone and the laptop, and still nothing
dmesg gives this, which looks like it
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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
Hi,
first of all, what does Moro mean? I've seen you using that word
many times, but it doesn't exist in English :-)
Moro :)
... is a common way to greet each other in Tampere, Finland. I have seen
people use
Moro :-))),
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Mikko Husari hu...@husku.net wrote:
snip
And of course this situation lives by the day and is not written on
stone, so no wiki page would be possible. Now I understand the lack of it.
nicely put indeed :-)
As you can see here, only lpotter is
Hi,
i would like to distribute in my rootfs video player that can play
theora videos in fullscreen mode 320x240.
I was experimenting with mplayer on with fbdev as video output, but
i was able to play just very small resolution video (160x120). I
used ffmpeg2theora for encoding and mplayer from
On Monday 27 April 2009 14:33:47 Radek Polak wrote:
Hi,
i would like to distribute in my rootfs video player that can play
theora videos in fullscreen mode 320x240.
Glamo can only accelerate mpeg4 AFAIK
I was experimenting with mplayer on with fbdev as video output, but
i was able to play
David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes:
No one has xv support. I bet there are not difference when playing videos.
You mean this one?
li...@ginger:~$ xdpyinfo | grep XV
XVideo
I'm using Xorg with xf86-video-glamo git revision 703acea13.
2009/4/26 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 05:49:05PM +0200, Nicola Mfb wrote:
I will be happy to write an AMI gui but now I'm hold having problems
with the alsa channel. Using the pcm default is not compatible with
the default shipped /etc/asound.conf, so I
Looks awesome! The ball rolling seems much more accurate than mine is, I
assume this is due to the new physics engine. I can't wait for the release.
:D
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On Monday 27 April 2009 15:07:09 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes:
No one has xv support. I bet there are not difference when playing
videos.
You mean this one?
li...@ginger:~$ xdpyinfo | grep XV
XVideo
I'm using Xorg with xf86-video-glamo
Not sure if it means anything, but I used compositing on my phone (I had the
translucent QWO for a while) and it seemed to work just fine. I use
SHR-unstable, BTW. Not sure what GUI server it uses, but I'm sure it's
fairly recent. :)
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Fabio Locati wrote:
I think that we should have a complete list of the QtEI GITs:
- http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/lpotter/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/FilipBE/qtextended/
- http://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git
Hello there.
I've been playing a few times with the dbus method SetNetworking() (i
thought it would be handy to monitor my ppp0 device) but if i try to
activate monitoring for rx or tx, the device just hangs (monitoring link
seems to work).
Is it a known issue?
I'm running shr-unstable from
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:54 PM, giacomo giotti mariani
giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote:
Fabio Locati wrote:
I think that we should have a complete list of the QtEI GITs:
- http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/lpotter/qtmoko/
- http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/
-
David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com writes:
What about xrand and composite?
Both work.
Is stable enough for daily use?
Yes. I've used it now for nearly two months.
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This is great - and might be what's needed to convince me to move from my
now-ancient QTE 4.4.3 to the latest and greatest!
Thanks to everyone for all the hard work on this - it's clear that Nokia
desupporting QTE was the best thing that could happen to the FR.
Warren
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at
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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
from this url
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/, the
following rootfs and uImage:
uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119800+0b9d21bf5d05d5dd909425a67a8be2eb1c1fc579-r3.4-om-gta02.bin
I am still trying to get my wireless to work on the 4/16 release of
SHR-Testing, I can get a scan to work on eth0 every now and then and the
rest of the time I get a device does not support scanning error. No
matter if I can scan or not eth0 will not connect to any AP. I have set up
the
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:55:00 +0300
Mikko Husari hu...@husku.net wrote:
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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
from this url
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/, the
following rootfs and uImage:
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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:55:00 +0300
Mikko Husari hu...@husku.net wrote:
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Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
from this url
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:03:28 +0300
Mikko Husari hu...@husku.net wrote:
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Franky Van
Hi. Does anyone know of a TIEMU package for the FR, or can someone build
one? I just can't figure out the HP x48 calculator...
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lol
nice work Ken!
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Ken Young r...@cfa.harvard.edu wrote:
If Sean is ever to begin receiving daily orders for pallets of 50,000
3G-enabled Freerunners, certain core applications must be attractive,
quickly responsive, and absolutely bullet proof. We all know
David Garabana Barro wrote:
You should use a patched mplayer. Xglamo has not xv support. Link to patched
mplayer binary:
http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/mplayer-glamo.tar.bz2
Hi David,
thank you very much. This mplayer really can handle 320x240 avi, but it
does not have
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
And... How can be enabled the 3d-view? Should I change something in my
navit.xml to get it working with latest svn version?
On [1] they mention a cegui (not supported anymore) that can be
started in 3D mode by specifying:
Well, it should work also in the gtk
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:37 AM, ANT ant0...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello list!
I want to tell that Mokomaze (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) is still
developing.
Currently I am preparing release of a new version (with completely new
physics and graphics engines) which will satisfy (almost) all your
David Garabana Barro ha scritto:
On Monday 27 April 2009 14:33:47 Radek Polak wrote:
Hi,
i would like to distribute in my rootfs video player that can play
theora videos in fullscreen mode 320x240.
Glamo can only accelerate mpeg4 AFAIK
I was experimenting with mplayer on with fbdev as
Hi,
as stated before, FSO team has started some work on database on the
phone. Maybe you should get in touch with them, in order to build
something together.
Of course if you think openBmap could be of any help with your work,
feel free to get in touch with me!
Onen
fredrik normann wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Onen onen...@free.fr wrote:
Hi,
as stated before, FSO team has started some work on database on the
phone. Maybe you should get in touch with them, in order to build
something together.
Are there some code somewhere that i can look at?
Of course if you
Robin Paulson wrote:
yeah, i'm getting exactly this error also. i later found out my sim
had been borked by the messages app in 2008.12, but trying it with a
friend's sim (which worked fine in his motorola and qte phone) i had
the same response
the gsm switch keeps going back to off also,
I had the same problems with the same image. But today, when i tried to
connect to the network of my university, it surprisingly worked.
I did the following:
powered up the device with shr-settings and started mofi.py in the terminal.
It worked fine until i switched the device off.
So, I hope that
Usage of vista logo adds some humour to the idea of the game, but in
practice many identical logos on the screen breaks the solid design of a new
game skin. Maybe I'll add an undocumented feature of showing logos on the
holes :) .
Marco Trevisan wrote:
Cool!
By the way, using the vista logo
Well it is nice to see that I am not the only person with this problem, for
me Mofi doesn't even load, I am installing the one from opkg.org to see if I
have any better luck with it.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:43 PM, matthias matthiasfels...@web.de wrote:
I had the same problems with the same
fredrik normann wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Onen onen.om http://onen.om@free.fr
http://free.fr wrote:
Hi,
as stated before, FSO team has started some work on database on the
phone. Maybe you should get in touch with them, in order to build
something together.
Great game I just have one question, I know its not really related to the
game, but how can I keep my screen from blanking when it is running? It
does this on a lot of applications where it seems logical where the screen
should not blank out. Sorry to run this a bit off topic I just didn't like
I have worked with Tilem emulator. It's for ti73 ti82 ti83 ti83p
ti83pse ti84p ti84pse ti85 and ti86.
It is little bit slow (not very usable) and little bit tall
(cosmetic), there are screenshot:
http://cc.oulu.fi/~rantalai/freerunner/tilem/snap1.png
I thought there are free (as speech)
Looks nice.
I think hate is no cool. Hole is better than Vista. (actually in
every context hole is better than Vista =).
Do it has vibration? Are you planned timecounter? I liked play without
time, but maybe I will want challenge somebody, so how we know who is
better?
Maybe player profile and
Yeah, I have a real TI-86. I'm more interested in the TI-89 platinum
emulator. I've compiled TIEMU on my laptop and tested it, and it works quite
well... I just can't compile for the FR.
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I mean do that new version has vibration too, it is nice effect.
I looked old sources and planned how to implement idea of multiplaying
(another players ball visible in 'ghost'). Maybe simple udp-packets
containing x and y. (can we suppose they are in same wlan?)
Have you planned use svn?
-Aapo
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote:
Hi List.
To those who have installed Android on the Freerunner: how responsive is the
GUI? Is the Google maps application available? If so, is the panning (for
maps and menu lists) as smooth as with
Steven ** montgoss+openmokocommun...@gmail.com writes:
A well written app that works quite well under latest SHR-testing
(installed via opkg directly from SHR feeds).
Nice to hear.
One area I think needs improvement ASAP: my Freerunner suspends (thus
silencing the alarm) before the alarm
Do it has vibration?
Yes, of course. New version has this feature.
Are you planned timecounter?
Yes, but not in the announced version. Basic timecounter may appear later -
maybe in v0.5.1, 0.5.2 or 0.5.100 :)
The idea is to show (after the completion of the level) info about your
level time and
Thanks man!
I am a bit offline right now, dont have internet in my house and have to use
internet cafes :( But it makes time for reading code, lol
-fredrin-
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Onen onen...@free.fr wrote:
fredrik normann wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Onen onen.om
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:39:07 +0200
Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote:
I understand the concern, but when you type in a sentence (or multiple
sentences) and you need punctuation characters, you're gonna need a
lot of sliding ... so I would bring the most used keyboards under 3
2009/4/28 Adam Jimerson vend...@gmail.com:
Well it is nice to see that I am not the only person with this problem, for
me Mofi doesn't even load, I am installing the one from opkg.org to see if I
have any better luck with it.
i'd recommend knjmokowifi also for managing connections, it works
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
no, there was nothing wrong with the port or cable - someone at shr
hadn't run depmod before creating the tarball, and the modules for
communicating over usb weren't being loaded. if you run depmod on your
phone, it
ivvmm wrote:
Fernando Martins wrote:
I've just flashed shr testing 22nd April and I don't get the usual pin
code request. Also, the icons Contacts and Mofi on the desktop are
just two blank sheets.
Under settings, the GSM antena is set off but I can't change it to on.
The Modem
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