Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-08 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:26:01 am Chris Samuel wrote:

 I can confirm that GPS worked on Qtopia and QtE for me, haven't tried it
 under QtMoko yet.

I can confirm the Mapping Demo program works for me in QtMoko with the 
2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and 
associated modules).

cheers,
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-08 Thread Ben Wong
 On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks alot for your attentions ;
 So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
 another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
 I'll be thankfull if anyone answer the above question ?
 and 2- Is arabic ready and complete ?

Yes, the Arabic keyboard layout works, but you have to install a
package like so:

  opkg install 
http://www.opkg.org/packages/illume-keyboards-arabic_0.1_armv4t.ipk

However, when writing an SMS the letters don't connect with each other
(as is standard with the Arabic alphabet).  This might just be a
problem with the way my Freerunner displays fonts.  The SMS you send
will probably look fine on your friend's telephone.

There is a Persian keyboard layout listed at:

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume

but the link is broken.  Hopefully someone else on this mailing list
will know where it can be found.

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-08 Thread Fabio Locati
Than, maybe, the GPS is connected to the kernel rather then to Qtmoko

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Chris Samuelch...@csamuel.org wrote:
 On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:26:01 am Chris Samuel wrote:

 I can confirm that GPS worked on Qtopia and QtE for me, haven't tried it
 under QtMoko yet.

 I can confirm the Mapping Demo program works for me in QtMoko with the
 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and
 associated modules).

 cheers,
 Chris
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-08 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Chris Samuelch...@csamuel.org wrote:
 On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:26:01 am Chris Samuel wrote:

 I can confirm that GPS worked on Qtopia and QtE for me, haven't tried it
 under QtMoko yet.

 I can confirm the Mapping Demo program works for me in QtMoko with the
 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin and
 associated modules).

 cheers,
 Chris

Hi Chris,

if this is true, then there's probably a kernel module issue in 2.6.28
with QtMoko.
This needs to be tested then.
But again: I never managed to get a fix with any distro, so I don't
think it will be possible for me to do testing at all, but when I get
back from holidays I'll try to spend some time on this issue.

Franky

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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-08 Thread a dehqan
In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your attention ;
Would you send a farsi sms to me ? to this number 00989131561030 .
To know if sms will look fine here or not .

Regards dehqan


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ben Wonglists.openmoko@wongs.net wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, a dehqandehqa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks alot for your attentions ;
 So there is a persian layer yes ?so is not possible to change layer in
 another way except input methode suchlike a command or a script ?
 I'll be thankfull if anyone answer the above question ?
 and 2- Is arabic ready and complete ?

 Yes, the Arabic keyboard layout works, but you have to install a
 package like so:

  opkg install 
 http://www.opkg.org/packages/illume-keyboards-arabic_0.1_armv4t.ipk

 However, when writing an SMS the letters don't connect with each other
 (as is standard with the Arabic alphabet).  This might just be a
 problem with the way my Freerunner displays fonts.  The SMS you send
 will probably look fine on your friend's telephone.

 There is a Persian keyboard layout listed at:

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume

 but the link is broken.  Hopefully someone else on this mailing list
 will know where it can be found.

 --Ben

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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

2009-06-08 Thread DJDAS
c_c ha scritto:
 Hi,

 The Digital Pioneer wrote:
   
 AFAIK, the only way to do it is to run mplayer with -ao
 alsa:device=bluetooth
   
   Ok. But what would be the best of doing so from intone :-

  1. I stop the current process from Intone
  2. Start new process with the -ao flag

   Or

  I can have 2 configurations in a file (normal / bluetooth) - I 
 think .asoundrc and change output from intone somehow using
 that.

  I'm not all that clued up on alsa - so can someone with more knowledge
 than I throw some light?   
   
It's very simple: you have to pair to the device and create a .asoundrc 
file in $HOME.
You can see a sample of it in the bluethooth.py module of BlueMoko[1] 
(look at the function connect_A2DP() )
After this the bluetooth headset will become the default alsa device so 
you won't need to change any configuration in mplayer but just start a 
new mplayer process which will play through the headset.
To reset the alsa output simply remove the .asoundrc and disconnect from 
the headset.
Bye!


[1] http://bluemoko.projects.openmoko.org/

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-08 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:23:41 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

 Hi Chris,

Hiya,

 if this is true, then there's probably a kernel module issue in 2.6.28
 with QtMoko. This needs to be tested then.

Could well be!  I did have TangoGPS working with OM2009 TR4 too (using their 
supplied 2.6.29-rc2 kernel, which has the wrong filename, claims to be 
2.6.28!).

 But again: I never managed to get a fix with any distro, so I don't
 think it will be possible for me to do testing at all, but when I get
 back from holidays I'll try to spend some time on this issue.

No worries, if there's anything I can do to help then please let me know!  I 
suppose it could also be a hardware issue on your phone too.. :-(

cheers,
Chris
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Re: How to get started with Openmoko phone?

2009-06-08 Thread Ben Wong
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Mikemike...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks, Rene --

 I just ordered the freerunner -- very exciting!

  Excellent.  You may want to check the GSM firmware version when you
get it.  I received my phone recently and it had an old firmware on it
(version 8 instead of 11, I think).  The phone mostly worked, but I
couldn't do GPRS until I flashed the GSM firmware.

Here's the page for how to update it:

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing

Note that, although the web page describes the procedure as a
lobotomy, it's not nearly so scary, even using the step-by-step
method, which I did.  Even easier, there's a microSD image you can
download that automates the procedure for you.

  By the way, the advice to just buy a SIM card instead of a whole
plan is the right one.  That way you won't be locked into a year long
contract.  I'm using T-mobile and it works great; data is unlimited
and the price is fair.  I've heard T-mobile's coverage is not as good
as ATT's in the US, but it hasn't been a problem for me.  My only
complaint is that ping times are often over 1000ms, and I'm not even
sure that that's T-mobile's fault.

--Ben

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Re: Paroli introduction video

2009-06-08 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Well done Laszlo!

It's great :) It shows the most important things one needs to know
about Paroli. I agree that the camera could be more steady and the
picture sharper but it's a nice start, thanks!!



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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-08 Thread Ben Wong
 Thanks alot for your attention ;
 Would you send a farsi sms to me ? to this number 00989131561030 .
 To know if sms will look fine here or not .

Okay, I've sent you an SMS.  However, I don't know if my carrier
(T-mobile) allows me to send SMS outside of the United States.  Please
let us know if you receive the message and if it looks okay.

Thanks,

--Ben

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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

2009-06-08 Thread OpenMitko
Hi to all,

Sorry if this is out of topic.

I want to ask those of you who already use a2dp, how is the sound quality? I
tried to use my Neo as media player wit wired headsets, but it was almost a
disaster, intone is great but the sound quality is bad. Not only the lack of
bass …

I was looking for solution but still can’t find something suitable. I was
wondering if Bluetooth headsets offer better quality.
Regards,
Mitko
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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

2009-06-08 Thread DJDAS
OpenMitko ha scritto:

 Hi to all,

 Sorry if this is out of topic.

 I want to ask those of you who already use a2dp, how is the sound 
 quality? I tried to use my Neo as media player wit wired headsets, but 
 it was almost a disaster, intone is great but the sound quality is 
 bad. Not only the lack of bass …

 I was looking for solution but still can’t find something suitable. I 
 was wondering if Bluetooth headsets offer better quality.  

 Regards,
 Mitko

   

Hi,
to me it's very good, I use a Calypso headset and sound quality is 
great, I definitely recommend using a BT headset with A2DP for media 
playing.
Bye


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A5 buzzfixed : which alsa state file ?

2009-06-08 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Everything is in the title : should I keep my A5 files or use the A7 ones ?

Xavier.


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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

2009-06-08 Thread Paul Fertser
Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net writes:
 Thanks alot for your attention ;
 Would you send a farsi sms to me ? to this number 00989131561030 .
 To know if sms will look fine here or not .

 Okay, I've sent you an SMS.  However, I don't know if my carrier
 (T-mobile) allows me to send SMS outside of the United States.  Please
 let us know if you receive the message and if it looks okay.

FYI that phone number should have been specified as +989131561030 (the
only proper so-called international format).

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Re: Power dongle

2009-06-08 Thread Tobias Diedrich
arne anka wrote:
  Yeah, I'd kinda prefer one that's nigh unto infinitesimal and only lasts  
  a
  few seconds, but I'll search for emergency phone chargers.
 
 afair, gsm still depends on battery and goes down the moment the battery  
 is down (or wawy, in your case) -- and after hotswapping it seems not  
 always to come back, according to a few reports.
 but it would be a nice addtion to the gta03-core design to include some  
 kind of emergency battery for that very purpose.

Shouldn't it be possible to reboot the GSM modem?
As described on the flashing page:

Power off the modem:
r...@om-gta02:~# echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
r...@om-gta02:~# echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
r...@om-gta02:~# s3c24xx-gpio b7=0
r...@om-gta02:~# stty 
0:4:18b2:8a00:0:0:7f:15:4:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0
 -F /dev/ttySAC0
r...@om-gta02:~# stty 
0:4:18b2:8a00:0:0:7f:15:4:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:12:f:17:16:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0
 -F /dev/ttySAC0
r...@om-gta02:~# echo -en a...@poff\r /dev/ttySAC0; sleep 1; echo -en 
a...@poff\r /dev/ttySAC0

Then power it on again:
r...@om-gta02:~# s3c24xx-gpio b7=1

The framework should be able to detect a battery hotswap and just
force a modem reboot IMHO.
Even better maybe to say 'I want to swap the battery' and power off
the modem before removing the battery.

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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

2009-06-08 Thread Michael Sheldon
DJDAS wrote:
 It's very simple: you have to pair to the device and create a .asoundrc 
 file in $HOME.
 You can see a sample of it in the bluethooth.py module of BlueMoko[1] 
 (look at the function connect_A2DP() )
 After this the bluetooth headset will become the default alsa device so 
 you won't need to change any configuration in mplayer but just start a 
 new mplayer process which will play through the headset.
 To reset the alsa output simply remove the .asoundrc and disconnect from 
 the headset.
 Bye!

 Personally I don't think this should be implemented in intone, this
sort of system-wide activity should be handled by FSO (and I believe
there is work on-going towards this) and intone should just offer the
option to make use of an already configured bluetooth device if it exists.

 Also, IIRC, BlueMoko still uses bluez 3.3, while most images now use
bluez 4 by default. So if you went down that path you'd probably end up
having to support two different methods of pairing.

 Cheers,
  Mike.

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Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?

2009-06-08 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Nikita,

This was caused by mistake by pregrad.net service we used, not by our
side. But due to quite hard import process (it lasted for months), it
was next to impossible to recover :(.

I am sorry for your issue, but unless the mistake was caused by Koolu
itself, I do not know that Koolu can address it.

However, you might consider trading your FreeRunner with someone else
on the list.  People move, and someone who bought a FreeRunner in Europe
may have moved to the United States and would be willing to trade you to
get one that is 850.  If you are going to DebConf, this might be a good
place to do a swap.

900s work fine in the USA (for the most part), but we have the same
issues as you dorural areas tend to use 850.

md



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Rebooting GSM modem (was: Re: Power dongle)

2009-06-08 Thread Paul Fertser
Tobias Diedrich ranma+openm...@tdiedrich.de writes:
 Shouldn't it be possible to reboot the GSM modem?
 As described on the flashing page:

It's perfectly possible, yes. I just close Zhone, then i can take out
the battery, change sim, then i place the battery back, start Zhone
and it just works. Same for other programs requesting GSM resource.

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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

2009-06-08 Thread DJDAS
Michael Sheldon ha scritto:
 DJDAS wrote:
   
 It's very simple: you have to pair to the device and create a .asoundrc 
 file in $HOME.
 

  Personally I don't think this should be implemented in intone, this
 sort of system-wide activity should be handled by FSO (and I believe
 there is work on-going towards this) and intone should just offer the
 option to make use of an already configured bluetooth device if it exists.
   
I agree but as I hadn't the time to update BlueMoko to bluez4 and FSO, 
that was a suggestion to achieve A2DP output after pairing with other 
means (if FSO does the pairing with headset profiles you should have 
only to create the .asoundrc file waiting for a GUI ;) )

  Also, IIRC, BlueMoko still uses bluez 3.3, while most images now use
 bluez 4 by default. So if you went down that path you'd probably end up
 having to support two different methods of pairing.

   
A2DP is easier to use (didn't see bluez4 yet) than headset, because you 
just need to pair and configure the default main alsa device as the 
headset, while headset profiles need routing and configuring the 
secondary alsa device and I didn't find yet a clean way to do this, but 
as I mentioned I hadn't the time to look at bluez4 and newer kernels so 
maybe the situation became better in the meantime (I hope :P )
Bye!



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Re: A5 buzzfixed : which alsa state file ?

2009-06-08 Thread tammaro pamdirac palombo
I think the a7 state

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.comwrote:

 Everything is in the title : should I keep my A5 files or use the A7 ones ?

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Debian/zhone: cannot start terminal on phone

2009-06-08 Thread Martijn Otto
For some reason I can no longer open a terminal on my freerunner.
Normally I would do this by selecting Ctrl-Alt-x on the keyboard.

It stopped working after switching to Xglamo and running as a normal
user. Unfortunately, I did these switches at the same time, so I have
no idea which of the two might be related.

Does anyone have an idea what it could be, and more importantly, how
to fix this?

Martijn

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Re: Fennec on TR4

2009-06-08 Thread Peter Nijs
Hey,

I've found more builds for arm here: 
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/ .

I just copied the content of the archives (I've tried b1rc2, b1rc3 and the 
nightly build from 7 june 2009) in /usr/lib/ over the original (from pkg) 
folder. But running fennec then gives me:

r...@fry:/usr/lib# export DISPLAY=:0
r...@fry:/usr/lib# ./fennec/fennec
./fennec/fennec: libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by 
./fennec/fennec)
Illegal instruction
r...@fry:/usr/lib# 

Maybe someone knows how to work around that. I use Om2008.12 and with the 
original from pkg (Version: 1:0.9+1.0b2pre-r3) I also have the illigal 
instruction' problem.

best regards,
depeje

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 Thanks Victor - but I really don't have the time right now to set up a dev
 environment to build stuff for the FR...   If there's a build of it
 somewhere I can grab and install, I'd happily test it...

 Warren

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  Hi Warren Baird,
  Try a stable version.E.g.
  tag=*FENNEC_B1https://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser/rev/9aa835472fed *
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: A5 buzzfixed : which alsa state file ?

2009-06-08 Thread tammaro pamdirac palombo
look this page

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Poor_Audio_Quality_.28FIXED.29

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:38 PM, tammaro pamdirac palombo 
pamm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the a7 state


 On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Xavier Cremaschi 
 omega.xav...@gmail.comwrote:

 Everything is in the title : should I keep my A5 files or use the A7 ones
 ?

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Re: Debian/zhone: cannot start terminal on phone

2009-06-08 Thread Davide Scaini
stupid question: do you have set this shortcut on illume keyboard shortcuts?
d

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Martijn Otto martijn...@gmail.com wrote:

 For some reason I can no longer open a terminal on my freerunner.
 Normally I would do this by selecting Ctrl-Alt-x on the keyboard.

 It stopped working after switching to Xglamo and running as a normal
 user. Unfortunately, I did these switches at the same time, so I have
 no idea which of the two might be related.

 Does anyone have an idea what it could be, and more importantly, how
 to fix this?

 Martijn

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Re: how dangerous Freerunner could be?

2009-06-08 Thread François TOURDE
Le 14403ième jour après Epoch,
Lowell Higley écrivait:

 On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez 
 da...@tuxbrain.com wrote:

 ivvmm, frequency(in in the range we are talking about) is not the
 harming factor is power (Watts) and in both frequencies the power will
 be the same so as mentioned avobe the only harm you can recieve from a
 US version is rare case of lack of coverage in some rural zones of
 Europe.


 I live in Kosovo... I don't know how you can get more rural than
 that. lol.

I've started using my FreeRunner here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.8721lon=0.9558zoom=14layers=B000FTF

Zoom out, and check the rurality of the zone ;)

 LOL for the chicken sacrifice, a BBQ always helps!

Argh, a chicken... I've read a children... Oops... What a
mistake... Whatever, It doesn't work. :P

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Re: Debian/zhone: cannot start terminal on phone

2009-06-08 Thread Martijn Otto
I have not done that, I don't even run Illume ;)

This is something that works in the default install of debian (zhone
with trayer) and now suddenly stopped working.

2009/6/8 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com:
 stupid question: do you have set this shortcut on illume keyboard shortcuts?
 d

 On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Martijn Otto martijn...@gmail.com wrote:

 For some reason I can no longer open a terminal on my freerunner.
 Normally I would do this by selecting Ctrl-Alt-x on the keyboard.

 It stopped working after switching to Xglamo and running as a normal
 user. Unfortunately, I did these switches at the same time, so I have
 no idea which of the two might be related.

 Does anyone have an idea what it could be, and more importantly, how
 to fix this?

 Martijn

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Re: Power dongle

2009-06-08 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Yeah, I would like a quick and easy app to hotswap. I currently shut down
the modem from SHR Settings, and then swap and turn it back on. But an icon
on the desktop that shuts it down, waits 15 seconds, then turns it on again
would be great. Or maybe an actual GUI to manually turn it on or off.
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Accelges status

2009-06-08 Thread Nicola Mfb
Hi! until now I played with accelerometers only with mokomaze, now
it's the time to integrate gesture recognition in a my small
application. So I'd like to know the status of accelges
(www.accelsense.org).
I read in the past that there was REL-ABS event transition and as
accelges seems to have the last commit about 4/5 months ago I'd like
to know if it's actually compatible with recent kernels and in general
if it's developed/supported.
If not may you point me to some alternatives?

Thanks

Nicola

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Re: Paroli introduction video

2009-06-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
 http://www.vimeo.com/5029019

Lovely retro style. Bleeding-edge technology meets the silent
movie. Finally, there's a worthy successor for Metropolis :-)

Someone should make a piano track for it.

- Werner

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Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: mokomapper.py

2009-06-08 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Hi there!

There was a discussion about easy openstreetmap mapping with
Freerunner on the road.

I found mokomapper
(http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup)
some months ago (=I didn't write it, but pavel (CC'd this mail to him)
and mentioned it in the thread. Someone requested some screenshots so
here you are: http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/mokomapper/ The readme file
also has some output log of the script. I think the output is not in
valid OSM format because of the broken GPS connection (maybe, I don't
know..).

I don't know how to use the app or how to import the stuff to OSM but
to me it looks like it really is going to the right direction. It
allows you easily to pinpoint road to left, road to right, different
types of roads, crossroads etc etc and I'd think you could add some
more items there quite easily since it's a simple python script..

So if there's anyone with some python skills, it'd be great to give
some love to this script so we all could easily do OSM mapping with
only FR around.

To use:
wget 
http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4
-O mokomapper.py
chmod 755 mokomapper.py
DISPLAY=:0 ./mokomapper.py

Enjoy your freedom!

r

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Re: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: mokomapper.py

2009-06-08 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Ok, sending again to get pavel's e-mail address right this time..

Hi there!

There was a discussion about easy openstreetmap mapping with
Freerunner on the road.

I found mokomapper
(http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup)
some months ago (=I didn't write it, Pavel did (CC'd this mail to him))
and mentioned it in the thread. Someone requested some screenshots so
here you are: http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/mokomapper/ The readme file
also has some output log of the script. I think the output is not in
valid OSM format because of the broken GPS connection (maybe, I don't
know..).

I don't know how to use the app or how to import the stuff to OSM but
to me it looks like it really is going to the right direction. It
allows you easily to pinpoint road to left, road to right, different
types of roads, crossroads etc etc and I'd think you could add some
more items there quite easily since it's a simple python script..

So if there's anyone with some python skills, it'd be great to give
some love to this script so we all could easily do OSM mapping with
only FR around.

To use:
wget 
http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4
-O mokomapper.py
chmod 755 mokomapper.py
DISPLAY=:0 ./mokomapper.py

Enjoy your freedom!

r

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Re: Mokomapper.py: Script for easy OSM mapping on the road: mokomapper.py

2009-06-08 Thread kimaidou
Hi !
First thanks to pavel and to you Risto for bringing this up !

Some ideas: we should create a wiki page for this, to gather all the ideas
given here.
My fist impression :
* we need some icons for each button to help finding the things
* I think it is a good start, but why not ask for any osm mapper and try to
redefine all the hierarchy. I think for this a tool as freemind is the best
: easy and quick. I am not saying the hierarchy used is wrong, but I think
we should take the chance to have a discussion on it while trying it

Ok, here the wiki page I created :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomapper

Let's talk and improve it :D

Kimaidou

2009/6/8 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi

 Ok, sending again to get pavel's e-mail address right this time..

 Hi there!

 There was a discussion about easy openstreetmap mapping with
 Freerunner on the road.

 I found mokomapper
 (http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup)
 some months ago (=I didn't write it, Pavel did (CC'd this mail to him))
 and mentioned it in the thread. Someone requested some screenshots so
 here you are: http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/mokomapper/ The readme file
 also has some output log of the script. I think the output is not in
 valid OSM format because of the broken GPS connection (maybe, I don't
 know..).

 I don't know how to use the app or how to import the stuff to OSM but
 to me it looks like it really is going to the right direction. It
 allows you easily to pinpoint road to left, road to right, different
 types of roads, crossroads etc etc and I'd think you could add some
 more items there quite easily since it's a simple python script..

 So if there's anyone with some python skills, it'd be great to give
 some love to this script so we all could easily do OSM mapping with
 only FR around.

 To use:
 wget
 http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4
 -Ohttp://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/*checkout*/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?revision=1.4%0A-Omokomapper.py
 chmod 755 mokomapper.py
 DISPLAY=:0 ./mokomapper.py

 Enjoy your freedom!

 r

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Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-08 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz



Harald Welte-3 wrote:
 
 Thanks for your update, Sean!
 
 It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
 of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
 areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side
 (trademarks).
 
 I'm happy to see this transition and willing to help wherever I can.
 
 

Thanks a lot Harald. I heard you're back in Taiwan now. So let's talk in
person later this week. I just returned this afternoon. 

  -Sean


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Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-08 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz


Jeremy

I really appreciate your email. Your words cheered us all up at the office. 

  -Sean




Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
 
 Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make.  To those
 who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work.  I wish the
 best for your future endeavours and hope that you are able to remain
 in the community in some way.
 
 I know I haven't really contributed much to the project.  I'm not much
 of a programmer and only have time to poke around on the phone every
 other weekend or so.  Still, I've read almost every thread on the
 mailing list and have learned a great deal.
 
 I do have a fair bit of experience doing media relations for local
 grassroots organizations and non-profits.  My experience isn't with
 software or technology, it's with anti-poverty activism and social
 service work.  Nonetheless, I have some feedback based on some
 non-tech community organizing to share.
 
 Handing development of the Freerunner over to the community is a big
 deal.  There is a lot of opportunity here to get good press for both
 Openmoko Inc. and the community.
 
 The way I see it, giving the phone to the community is every bit as
 radical as launching an open source phone was in the first place.  The
 Openmoko community is now coordinating development of an updated
 Freerunner (using Free software), there are multiple distros, lots of
 apps, multiple phone gui apps.  Not only that, but the mailing lists
 are far from stagnant, and outside of openmoko.org, other parts of the
 broader Openmoko community have their own mailing lists, wikis and
 tracs.
 
 The key point here is that Openmoko succeeded in building a community
 around its product.  This is no easy task.  Companies and
 organizations with more resources behind them have tried this and not
 succeeded nearly as well as Openmoko has.  For this the company should
 be commended.  There's definitely a newsworthy story here as well.
 
 Naysayers might look at Openmoko handing responsibility for the
 Freerunner to the community as a death knell for the project, or proof
 that an open source phone can't work.  Instead, it seems the
 Freerunner is transitioning from a phone that was designed in house
 and then open sourced, to a phone for which the hardware itself is
 designed by an open source community.  That's huge!
 
 There's a big difference between how the Freerunner was developed and
 how the gta02-core is being developed, and that means that once again
 Openmoko is breaking new ground.
 
 It may be a little early to bring this message to the media.  It
 probably makes sense to let the community have a chance to formalize a
 bit, develop some structure.  A Openmoko Foundation maybe?
 
 Anyways, once the dust settles maybe Openmoko could make a big
 announcement about how the thriving community is in the process of
 taking over development of the phone.  It could be a chance for
 Openmoko to get some good press for being innovative and altruistic.
 It could also be a huge boon for the community, as it raises awareness
 about the work being done and reaches out to potential new members.
 Not to mention reminding people of all the incredible work that has
 been done with these phones so far.
 
 Openmoko is a success story.  Despite all the frustrations and delays,
 a new community that develops open source phone technology has been
 created.  In the FLOSS podcast interview a few weeks ago (I think)
 Sean spoke about how the Openmoko has reduced a lot of barriers to
 phone development, potentially allowing the kind of garage workshop
 innovations that led companies like Hewlett Packard or Apple.
 Facilitating the community and that kind of development just lowered
 one more barrier.
 
 
 Well, that's my 2 cents.
 
 
 Jeremy McNaughton
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org wrote:
 Thanks for your update, Sean!

 It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
 of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
 areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side
 (trademarks).

 I'm happy to see this transition and willing to help wherever I can.

 Regards and thank you once again,
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Re: hackable:1 - new release

2009-06-08 Thread Tha_Man



Marcus Bauer-2 wrote:
 
 On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT)
 Tha_Man jeroenb...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 There is however one thing that prevents me from using my FR as a
 daily phone (based on rev4-preview):
 http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/ticket/52 ticket #52 . 
 
 Can you tell me if this bug is well know, if it is already fixed in
 rev4-rc1 or planned to be fixed in the near feature? 
 
 We'll have a look into it this week as some of the devs are meeting.
 With a bit of luck it gets squashed in the next ten days.
 
 Marcus
 
 
Hi Marcus,
I've updated this bug in the h1-bugtracker a few weeks ago and got some
support from other people experiencing the same thing. Do you know if there
is anyone working on it or is it scheduled to be fixed in an upcoming
release/update?

Cheers,
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-08 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:13:28 +1000
Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote:

 On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:23:41 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
 
  Hi Chris,
 
 Hiya,
 
  if this is true, then there's probably a kernel module issue in
  2.6.28 with QtMoko. This needs to be tested then.
 
 Could well be!  I did have TangoGPS working with OM2009 TR4 too
 (using their supplied 2.6.29-rc2 kernel, which has the wrong
 filename, claims to be 2.6.28!).
 
  But again: I never managed to get a fix with any distro, so I don't
  think it will be possible for me to do testing at all, but when I
  get back from holidays I'll try to spend some time on this issue.
 
 No worries, if there's anything I can do to help then please let me
 know!  I suppose it could also be a hardware issue on your phone
 too.. :-(
 
 cheers,
 Chris

Well, I found the first issue at least: the neogps app uses an old path
to power on the gps device.
I changed this now, but until a new build arrives, use this script
(compatible with 2.6.24 and =2.6.28):
-
#!/bin/sh

if [ -e /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0 ]; then
  echo 1  /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on
fi
# for older kernels
if [ -e /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron ];
then
  echo 1  /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
fi
--
Do an echo 0 to power it down after usage.

Also, I've seen a bug report go by that tells me there's an issue with
gps and 2.6.28 kernels in that you can't reenable the gps after
unsuspend, so you might want to try without suspending as well.

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Re: booting from mSD (Ed Kapitein)

2009-06-08 Thread chlework2000


this is latest images from web, i dowloaded and trying to booting from mSD.
 
modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.gz
 
following this instructions?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
 
 
 
 
Wild guess, but is your /dev populated?

Kind regards,
@

Test wrote:
 I am trying to booting latest image from mSD but it locked up, see
 below, not sure why? help.
  
  
 [21474540.065000] Waiting 5sec before mounting root device...
 [21474542.565000] pcf50633 0-0073: usb curlim to 1000 mA
 [21474545.085000] EXT2-fs warning (device mmcblk0p2): ext2_fill_super:
 mounting ext3 files                                   ystem as ext2
 [21474545.10] VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly on
 device 179:2.
 [21474545.105000] Freeing init memory: 132K
 [21474545.115000] Warning: unable to open an initial console.
 [21474545.12] Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found.  Try
 passing init= option to                                    kernel.
 [21474555.12] INFO: RCU detected CPU 0 stall (t=4294911024/2000
 jiffies)
 [21474555.12] [c002dcac] (dump_stack+0x0/0x14) from [c0073c40]
 (__rcu_pending+0x80                                   /0x21c)




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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-08 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:40 -0500
Rene Horn the.rh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just tried out this version.  I'm still having issues with GPRS.
 I'd like to be able to fix the issue myself if I could, or at least
 point out a possible fix.  I know it can work because it does under
 SHR-Unstable.
 
 Where should I be looking for this?  Where is all the GPRS code
 located? Where are the scripts?
 
 Rene

I never tried gprs myself (don't have an account), but you can always
look at the script in

/opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/ppp-network

The pppd daemon seems to be launched by this script via using sudo. You
might want to check that the needed ppp modules are up and running.
Also check if the ppp packages are installed.

The dialup source is in src/plugins/network/dialing
Also read the hint mentioned here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33030.html
and a small howto also here:
http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html

If you find anything, please let us know, so we can improve the user
experience for everybody!

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Re: booting from mSD (Ed Kapitein)

2009-06-08 Thread Angus Ainslie
On June 8, 2009 12:51:30 pm chlework2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 this is latest images from web, i dowloaded and trying to booting from mSD.
  
 modules-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-
gta02.gz 
 following this instructions?
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
  

You've listed a modules tarball. Did you untar a rootfs tarball first ?

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Re: Stress test of my Freerunner

2009-06-08 Thread Sven Klomp
On Sunday June 7 2009 16:18:48 Yogiz wrote:
 Thanks for the impressions. I really like the GPS diary idea. Perhaps
 you should release it to the public? As to alarms, try ffalarms (opkg
 install ffalarms).

I attached my code. As said, it isn't much and not very user-friendly. However, 
I was surprised how few code is needed to get the idea working.

storeLocation.py:
This script is called on the FR to store the current coordinates to 
locations.dat
E.g. storeLocation.py -t My Home -d This is where I live since 5 years
Please modify http://myserver.org/; to your needs.

sendLocations.sh:
All locations stored in locations.dat can be send to the server with the small 
sendLocations.sh script. I used the http-get method since there was no urllib 
module in SHR.

add.py:
On the server side, add.py receives the coordinates as cgi script and stores 
the information to locations.dat. (I should change the name, since the content 
is different to locations.dat on the FR...)

diary.kml:
This is also a cgi script written in Python which creates the kml output from 
the content of locations.dat.

Have fun :-)
Sven


diary.kml
Description: application/vnd.google-earth.kml
#! /usr/bin/env python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

import cgi
import cgitb
cgitb.enable()

print(Content-Type: text/html)   # Header-Info  
print() # Empty line needed

form = cgi.FieldStorage()
if not (form.has_key(latitude) and form.has_key(longitude) and form.has_key(date) and form.has_key(title)):
	print H1Error/H1
	print Please fill in the fields.
else:
	f = open('locations.dat', 'a')
	if (form.has_key(details)):
		f.write(form[date].value+ | + form[latitude].value+ |+form[longitude].value+|+form[title].value+|+ form[details].value+\n )
	else:
		f.write(form[date].value+ | + form[latitude].value+ |+form[longitude].value+|+form[title].value+|+\n )
	f.close()
	print OK


sendLocations.sh
Description: application/shellscript
#! /usr/bin/env python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

# Logging
import logging
import sys

mainlogger = logging.getLogger()
console = logging.StreamHandler(sys.stdout)
console_formatter = logging.Formatter(%(name)s - %(levelname)s - %(message)s)
console.setFormatter(console_formatter)
mainlogger.addHandler(console)

logger = logging.getLogger()
logger.setLevel(logging.DEBUG)

import optparse
import datetime
import dbus
#import urllib

class MyOptionParser(optparse.OptionParser):
	def __init__(self):
		optparse.OptionParser.__init__(self,usage: %prog -t title [-d \more details\ | ... ])
		self.add_option(-t,
		--title,
		action=store,
		type=string,
		dest=title,
		help=Title of this location)

		self.add_option(-d,
		--details,
		action=store,
		type=string,
		dest=details,
		help=Detailed information of this location)

		self.add_option(--longitude,
		action=store,
		type=string,
		dest=longitude,
		help=Set longitude manually)

		self.add_option(--latitude,
		action=store,
		type=string,
		dest=latitude,
		help=Set latitude manually)

		self.add_option(--date,
		action=store,
		type=string,
		dest=date,
		help=Set date manually)

		self.set_defaults(date=datetime.date.today().isoformat())


def getCoordinates():
	system_bus = dbus.SystemBus()
	gps_object = system_bus.get_object('org.freesmartphone.ogpsd', '/org/freedesktop/Gypsy')
	gps_interface = dbus.Interface(gps_object, dbus_interface='org.freesmartphone.Resource')
	gps_interface.Enable()

	gps_interface = dbus.Interface(gps_object, dbus_interface='org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position')
	position=gps_interface.GetPosition()
	print(position)
#	gps_interface = dbus.Interface(gps_object, dbus_interface='org.freesmartphone.Resource')
#	gps_interface.Disable()

	if (position[0]==0):
		logger.warning(No GPS data)
		return None, None
	return str(position[2]), str(position[3])


def saveLocation(latitude, longitude, date, title, details):
	url=http://myserver.org/add.py?;
	url=url+date=+date
	url=url+latitude=+latitude
	url=url+longitude=+longitude
	url=url+title=+UrlEncode(title)
	if (details!=None):
		url=url+details=+UrlEncode(details)
	print(url)
	f=open(locations.dat,a)
	f.write(url+\n)


# SHR doesn't have the urlib module, therefore I used the code snippet from
# http://blog.affien.com/archives/2005/06/25/python-url-encoding/comment-page-1/

HexCharacters = 0123456789abcdef
def UrlEncode(s):
	r = ''
	for c in s:
		o = ord(c)
		if (o = 48 and o = 57) or \
			(o = 97 and o = 122) or \
			(o = 65 and o = 90) or \
			o == 36 or o == 45 or o == 95 or \
			o == 46 or o == 43 or o == 33 or \
			o == 42 or o == 39 or o == 40 or \
			o == 41 or o == 44:
			r += c
		else:
			r += '%' + CleanCharHex(c)
	return r

def CleanCharHex(c):
	o = ord(c)
	r = HexCharacters[o / 16]
	r += HexCharacters[o % 16]
	return r



if __name__ == __main__:
	parser= MyOptionParser()
	options, args = 

Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-08 Thread Filip Onkelinx
Hi Rene, Franky,

I've been using GRPS on QtE for several months without major issues. I  
remember I once had to create the device file /dev/ppp
On my current (old) QtE image, ls -l /dev/ppp gives me:

crw--- 1 root root 108,0  Jun 8 16:49 /dev/ppp

you might want to check if you have this device file, and if not try to  
create it with mknod. (you will probably need to add it to the startup  
script )

cheers,

Filip.

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:58:58 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke  
liede...@telenet.be wrote:

 On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:43:40 -0500
 Rene Horn the.rh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just tried out this version.  I'm still having issues with GPRS.
 I'd like to be able to fix the issue myself if I could, or at least
 point out a possible fix.  I know it can work because it does under
 SHR-Unstable.

 Where should I be looking for this?  Where is all the GPRS code
 located? Where are the scripts?

 Rene

 I never tried gprs myself (don't have an account), but you can always
 look at the script in

 /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/bin/ppp-network

 The pppd daemon seems to be launched by this script via using sudo. You
 might want to check that the needed ppp modules are up and running.
 Also check if the ppp packages are installed.

 The dialup source is in src/plugins/network/dialing
 Also read the hint mentioned here:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33030.html
 and a small howto also here:
 http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html

 If you find anything, please let us know, so we can improve the user
 experience for everybody!

 Franky

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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

2009-06-08 Thread Onen
Hi,

very nice work! Thanks for taking the time of doing this.

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
 For OBM logger to be compatible with CH database, there's very few 
 data that need to be added to the OBM logger:
 - provider: the network operator, as reported by fso.GSM.Network.g 
 getStatus() or Status() signal

Would not be too difficult ;-)

 - arfcn: current channel number, as reported by 
 fso.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving,Neighbour}CellInformation()

This will be in next version.

 And only one data is expressed in a different unit:
 - signal strength: OBM use dBm and CH use a scale as per %EM AT command 

The dBm is a direct formula out of the GSM spec. So you should be able 
to go from one to the other very easily.

 So finally, it would be ideal to enhance slightly the OBM logger, this 
 way it will be universal in regards to the 3 databases. And this will 
 give the user the complete freedom to upload his data to whatever 
 database he wants (for example i would like to upload data to CH 
 server for the fun and still contribute to OBM because i'm convinced 
 of the higher quality of their data).
 

Well and what if cellhunter changes his API, and or the data it uploads? 
I fear having to follow every move of cellhunter to catch up with his 
modifications. In the end my app will be tagged as unstable/not working 
every time it does not succeed in uploading to ch.

Cellhunter does have rules for the game (uploaded online, offline, maybe 
depends of data) which leads to the number of points you get. I wonder 
if you would get all the points you should, with an obm (fairly) 
compatible logger.

Well if somebody feels like maintaining such a mechanism, he can get in 
touch with me.

 Some personal remarks (a bit OT):
 - It's a pity that CH use signal strength in GSM scale, FSO use 
 percent and OBM dBm. There's lot of wasted CPU (and battery) around...
 

I try to think about cpu usage when building my application. But to be 
honest, once I talked with someone about this, and he made a good point:
this is absolutely nothing in comparison of using python instead of C, 
vala, etc.

Onen


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[openBmap] Some news: OSM, stats, Dependencies missing, D-bus GSM location prototype, hard drive failure

2009-06-08 Thread Onen
Hi everyone,

work keeps going, and I received suggestions from users. Keep going, at 
least, they get written down on my ToDo list ;-)

Here some news about the project:

* thanks to spaetz support, we have replaced the big G maps by 
openstreetmap!
http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm.php

* thanks to Risto H. Kurppa, for helping finding out a bug on the 
package in om2009 about dependencies missing. This has been now fixed 
(thanks mrmoku), and the fix should propagate to all the distributions 
in the next days (thanks Stefan).

* We now have basic stats:
http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php

* I did a prototype of a D-bus service on the phone, which uses the 
database locally. If anyone is interested in building a service which 
needs GSM positioning, contact me. As I said, it is a prototype, but it 
works, and could be used.

* We experience a hard drive failure at the moment. Nick is working hard 
on this. Please be patient. The website will get updated as soon as the 
service is back to normal.

* As it has been said on a previous thread by others, opencellid data 
have been imported in our database.
Why did we import it? We think the data from oci could be
of better quality with some additions. So far, we could not get an
agreement about this from Thomas. So we still aim at people logging
through obm for better quality. But to propose right now the best
coverage to our users, we use oci data too, where no obm data is
available. But the idea is to replace it with obm data with time, as it
comes in.

Again thanks to all the people who helped us, and for the nice comments. 
  And of course, thanks to all the contributors!

Onen


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Re: [openBmap] Some news: OSM, stats, Dependencies missing, D-bus GSM location prototype, hard drive failure

2009-06-08 Thread Yorick Moko
keep up the good work!

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Onenonen...@free.fr wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 work keeps going, and I received suggestions from users. Keep going, at
 least, they get written down on my ToDo list ;-)

 Here some news about the project:

 * thanks to spaetz support, we have replaced the big G maps by
 openstreetmap!
 http://realtimeblog.free.fr/with_osm.php

 * thanks to Risto H. Kurppa, for helping finding out a bug on the
 package in om2009 about dependencies missing. This has been now fixed
 (thanks mrmoku), and the fix should propagate to all the distributions
 in the next days (thanks Stefan).

 * We now have basic stats:
 http://realtimeblog.free.fr/logins_stats.php

 * I did a prototype of a D-bus service on the phone, which uses the
 database locally. If anyone is interested in building a service which
 needs GSM positioning, contact me. As I said, it is a prototype, but it
 works, and could be used.

 * We experience a hard drive failure at the moment. Nick is working hard
 on this. Please be patient. The website will get updated as soon as the
 service is back to normal.

 * As it has been said on a previous thread by others, opencellid data
 have been imported in our database.
 Why did we import it? We think the data from oci could be
 of better quality with some additions. So far, we could not get an
 agreement about this from Thomas. So we still aim at people logging
 through obm for better quality. But to propose right now the best
 coverage to our users, we use oci data too, where no obm data is
 available. But the idea is to replace it with obm data with time, as it
 comes in.

 Again thanks to all the people who helped us, and for the nice comments.
  And of course, thanks to all the contributors!

 Onen


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Re: Help requested: SHR Screenshots

2009-06-08 Thread Jon Levell
Michael Zanetti wrote:

 How did you get the category bar on the bottom for example on screenshot 
 #2753?

I think that is a screenshot of Launcher:
http://www.opkg.org/package_220.html

Jon.


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Re: intone a2dp (bluetooth) support

2009-06-08 Thread The Digital Pioneer
If you do implement this in Intone (I see the merits of having it as a
system-wide option, but then, how many apps are playing sound at one time?),
beware that if the bluetooth headset refuses to pair, or if the bluetooth
chip is turned off, mplayer freezes and Intone does too. I have to kill them
both manually. So be sure to power on the BT chip before playing music with
it. Also, you have to beware that the headset may not pair with the phone
automatically, it may require authentication. mplayer won't handle that, and
will lock up. Of course, it's not Intone's job to do this either, but I
would like to see Intone run (and close) even when mplayer locks, and
preferably Intone could kill mplayer when it exits if mplayer is locked.

I hope that all made sense, I'm a bit tired right now. :P
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Re: Freerunner's Future

2009-06-08 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, swap38swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote:

[snip]

 I created this page (just a draft) :
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition

[/snip]

I've started some brainstorming on this page at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition#Community_Organization

It's all very general and abstract right now.

Please (of course) feel free to change it up and expand where you see fit.


Jeremy McNaughton

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