Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Evgeniy Ginzburg]

Petr Vanek wrote:
>> you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock
>> after leaving the terminal. so whats the point?
>> i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the
>> terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal
>> 
>
> hi, i track flights on regular basis :) what you might find out is:
>
> - in terminals, the glass has metal coating so no fix
> - you can get a fix on a plane easily and track your flight even with
>   fr in the pocket in the seat in front of you (just needs to stick out
>   a bit). make sure you get a fix before departing (see bellow)
> - during the flight, the blinds get usually shut, but you can stuck
>   your fr right behind it (with a bit of force :)
> - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed
>   above 200km - check between shr settings and tango
> - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or)
>   high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some
>   reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this
>   will repeat fo as long as you leave it.
>   
If you want to use the Openmoko GPS on the plane some ublox woodo might 
be handy.
I have seen some messages on mail-lists about Antaris chip modes and one 
was suitable for planes (2g).
Unfortunately I can't find it now.

> - shr settings would allow you to switch gsm off but unfortunately,
>   although it's fso based, it is too much related to ophonekitd and
>   therefore the whole work will have to be duplicated in distros not
>   using ophonekit. so now the same settings are being worked on for
>   om2009. what a shame...

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Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?

[Stephen LePage]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Brolin Empey  wrote:

> 2009/6/19 Ben Wong 
>
>> The one thing that jumps out at me in your request, Brolin, is keeping
>> your SMS messages on the microSD card instead of the SIM.  I know that
>> the SHR distribution, which I'm using, stores everything on the SIM by
>> default.  Perhaps David Ford's improved SMS app will do what you want?
>>  Alternatively, if you are happy with simply archiving your SMS to a
>> text file, David Ford sent out a one line script to do so about a
>> month ago.  (I can dig it up if you need.)
>
>
> >>I thought the SMS messages were stored on the phone instead of the SIM.
> My dad gave me the Nokia 6103b I am currently using after he upgraded to a
> newer Samsung phone.  The Nokia 6103b >>still contained my dad’s SMS
> messages even though I was using the phone with my SIM.  Maybe some phones
> store the SMS messages on the phone while others store them on the SIM?
>
>>
>> > 2009/6/17 David Murrell 
>> >>Fundamentally, at this point, my Openmoko Freerunner fails the Not
>> >>Interested in Technology - Significant Other Acceptance Procedure,
>> >>otherwise known NIT-SOAP.
>>
>> > That is not a problem for me because I am single. :)
>>
>> P.S. You may not be single for long.  One little known feature of the
>> Freerunner is that it is an Ultra-Powerful Magnet for Attractive
>> People.  They will sidle up to you and exclaim, "OMG!  Is that a
>> Debian box in your pocket?!"  ;-)
>
>
> >>“Is that some fscking hardware in your pants, or are you just happy to
> see me?!”
> >>“Can you (touch|finger|mount|grep|unzip|fsck) me with that hardware in
> your pants?” :D
>
> >>I wish. :P
>
> Can't comment to much on phone functionality, but my experience with it was
> really starting to get good with om2009 and when I was using SHR it seemed
> to be good and a lot of updates have happened since I last used SHR. With
> regards to contacts being stored I don't think any distributions store
> information on the mSD yet.(Please feel free to correct me if i;m wrong).


As regards to the phone's ability to pick up women, it is a unique phone
that fairly few people have and has sparked a few conversations with
females. Phones are starting to become a fashion statement and in my opinion
Iphone=abercrombie and fitch, Freerunner=some unique item you got from the
fashion district in Milan.

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Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?

[Brolin Empey]

2009/6/19 Ben Wong 

> The one thing that jumps out at me in your request, Brolin, is keeping
> your SMS messages on the microSD card instead of the SIM.  I know that
> the SHR distribution, which I'm using, stores everything on the SIM by
> default.  Perhaps David Ford's improved SMS app will do what you want?
>  Alternatively, if you are happy with simply archiving your SMS to a
> text file, David Ford sent out a one line script to do so about a
> month ago.  (I can dig it up if you need.)


I thought the SMS messages were stored on the phone instead of the SIM.  My
dad gave me the Nokia 6103b I am currently using after he upgraded to a
newer Samsung phone.  The Nokia 6103b still contained my dad’s SMS messages
even though I was using the phone with my SIM.  Maybe some phones store the
SMS messages on the phone while others store them on the SIM?

>
> > 2009/6/17 David Murrell 
> >>Fundamentally, at this point, my Openmoko Freerunner fails the Not
> >>Interested in Technology - Significant Other Acceptance Procedure,
> >>otherwise known NIT-SOAP.
>
> > That is not a problem for me because I am single. :)
>
> P.S. You may not be single for long.  One little known feature of the
> Freerunner is that it is an Ultra-Powerful Magnet for Attractive
> People.  They will sidle up to you and exclaim, "OMG!  Is that a
> Debian box in your pocket?!"  ;-)


“Is that some fscking hardware in your pants, or are you just happy to see
me?!”
“Can you (touch|finger|mount|grep|unzip|fsck) me with that hardware in your
pants?” :D

I wish. :P

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Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?

[jeremy jozwik]

best. email. yet.

you should link that sms script. perhaps it can be modified to siphon off
the contacts too

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Ben Wong wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Joerg Lippmann
> wrote:
>
> > Then the Freerunner is not for you.
> > It may sound harsh, but it's definitely *not* suitable for daily use.
> Period.
>
> Brolin,
>
> I must respectfully disagree with Joerg's advice to you.  There are
> flaws, including the ones Joerg points out, but they do not
> necessarily make the Freeruner unsuitable as a daily phone.  I think
> it depends on the person.  I use mine daily as my only phone and it
> works well for me.  From your description of yourself, I suspect you
> would be happy with a Freerunner as well, as long as you don't expect
> it to do everything you want out of the box.
>
> Battery life?  Yes, Joerg is correct that it's mediocre.  I do charge
> it every night, but that's not a big deal, especially since it charges
> off of any USB port.
>
> The sound quality is "terrible" according to Joerg, but that has not
> been my experience.  Perhaps I'm just lucky, having bought a later
> model unit, but people have actually been telling me how crystal clear
> I sound compared to my old Samsung phone.  The one thing I don't like
> about the sound on the Freerunner is that the default volume is too
> low, but it's not been enough of a problem for me to even look into
> how to increase it.
>
> Joerg also mentioned that the device is "lame".  I'm not quite sure
> what he means.  The Freerunner is certainly lacking features that some
> proprietary phones boast, such as a multitouch interface and 3G/4G
> data transfer.  Since I live in a big city and have WiFi nearly
> everywhere I go, the lack of 3G is not a disadvantage for me.  And
> multitouch?  Well, somehow I survive without.
>
> The one thing that jumps out at me in your request, Brolin, is keeping
> your SMS messages on the microSD card instead of the SIM.  I know that
> the SHR distribution, which I'm using, stores everything on the SIM by
> default.  Perhaps David Ford's improved SMS app will do what you want?
>  Alternatively, if you are happy with simply archiving your SMS to a
> text file, David Ford sent out a one line script to do so about a
> month ago.  (I can dig it up if you need.)
>
> --Ben
>
>
> > 2009/6/17 David Murrell 
> >>Fundamentally, at this point, my Openmoko Freerunner fails the Not
> >>Interested in Technology - Significant Other Acceptance Procedure,
> >>otherwise known NIT-SOAP.
>
> > That is not a problem for me because I am single. :)
>
> P.S. You may not be single for long.  One little known feature of the
> Freerunner is that it is an Ultra-Powerful Magnet for Attractive
> People.  They will sidle up to you and exclaim, "OMG!  Is that a
> Debian box in your pocket?!"  ;-)
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Sven Klomp]

Hi,

On Saturday June 20 2009 00:35:24 Petr Vanek wrote:
> - in terminals, the glass has metal coating so no fix
And I wasted an one hour transit delay by sitting next to the window waiting 
for a fix...,

> - during the flight, the blinds get usually shut, but you can stuck
>   your fr right behind it (with a bit of force :)
Worked for me (http://www.klomp.eu/gps.jpg) :-)

> - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed
>   above 200km - check between shr settings and tango
I didn't checked this.

> - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or)
>   high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some
>   reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this
>   will repeat fo as long as you leave it.
I tried with the latest SHR unstable (about 5 weeks ago) and didn't had this 
problem. Maybe it is fixed?

Sven

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Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?

[Ben Wong]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Joerg Lippmann wrote:

> Then the Freerunner is not for you.
> It may sound harsh, but it's definitely *not* suitable for daily use. Period.

Brolin,

I must respectfully disagree with Joerg's advice to you.  There are
flaws, including the ones Joerg points out, but they do not
necessarily make the Freeruner unsuitable as a daily phone.  I think
it depends on the person.  I use mine daily as my only phone and it
works well for me.  From your description of yourself, I suspect you
would be happy with a Freerunner as well, as long as you don't expect
it to do everything you want out of the box.

Battery life?  Yes, Joerg is correct that it's mediocre.  I do charge
it every night, but that's not a big deal, especially since it charges
off of any USB port.

The sound quality is "terrible" according to Joerg, but that has not
been my experience.  Perhaps I'm just lucky, having bought a later
model unit, but people have actually been telling me how crystal clear
I sound compared to my old Samsung phone.  The one thing I don't like
about the sound on the Freerunner is that the default volume is too
low, but it's not been enough of a problem for me to even look into
how to increase it.

Joerg also mentioned that the device is "lame".  I'm not quite sure
what he means.  The Freerunner is certainly lacking features that some
proprietary phones boast, such as a multitouch interface and 3G/4G
data transfer.  Since I live in a big city and have WiFi nearly
everywhere I go, the lack of 3G is not a disadvantage for me.  And
multitouch?  Well, somehow I survive without.

The one thing that jumps out at me in your request, Brolin, is keeping
your SMS messages on the microSD card instead of the SIM.  I know that
the SHR distribution, which I'm using, stores everything on the SIM by
default.  Perhaps David Ford's improved SMS app will do what you want?
 Alternatively, if you are happy with simply archiving your SMS to a
text file, David Ford sent out a one line script to do so about a
month ago.  (I can dig it up if you need.)

--Ben


> 2009/6/17 David Murrell 
>>Fundamentally, at this point, my Openmoko Freerunner fails the Not
>>Interested in Technology - Significant Other Acceptance Procedure,
>>otherwise known NIT-SOAP.

> That is not a problem for me because I am single. :)

P.S. You may not be single for long.  One little known feature of the
Freerunner is that it is an Ultra-Powerful Magnet for Attractive
People.  They will sidle up to you and exclaim, "OMG!  Is that a
Debian box in your pocket?!"  ;-)

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Re: New case (was Re: Freerunner's Future)

[David Ford]

to whomever does this, please put a small stylus into a recess in the 
new case :)


On 06/18/09 20:18, Werner Almesberger wrote:

[ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just
   "Freerunner's Future" ]

Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
   

I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the
mechanical design and modeling of the case and other things related
to the project.
 


Great ! I think "redoing" the GTA02 case should be a project on its
own, independent from gta02-core or such.
   


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Re: Re: [All?] Dictator - the most undemocratic recording and dictation software ever

[undrwater]

Just a quick post to note that on 0.2-r2, recording from mic chops about half
of my recording.  If I record 10 seconds, about  plays back, if I record 5,
about 2.5 plays back.  You get the point. :)

Otherwise, I love this app!
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Re: new qwerty keyboard, Literki

[jeremy jozwik]

some kind of visual feedback for when ctrl or alt is active for doing a
ctrl+x in nano and such

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Michal Brzozowski wrote:

> 2009/6/16 Michal Brzozowski 
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I gave it a shot and made a new keyboard. It's only 2 days old, but it's
>> working well for me so I'm announcing it.
>>
>> http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
>>
>>
>
> I made some improvements that you suggested and fixed a few small bugs.
>
> The layouts are improved. The landscape layout is now almost fullscreen and
> has numbers and all terminal-frequent symbols on the front page. Typing in
> the terminal is now really easy and fast.
> Shift works per symbol now. Pressing shift twice turns on caps lock, so you
> can type more uppercase symbols.
>
> The next thing I plan to do (but not until 2 or 3 weeks from now) is to use
> normal fonts for display, so you can change the font and size to your liking
> and add national characters.
>
> Again, I'd like to hear more improvement ideas, as I'd like to make literki
> THE keyboard that everyone will use. If anyone is an expert on Xlib, I'd be
> grateful for any input on how to make it less sluggish when the transparency
> mask changes (shift, etc). And also from distribution maintainers on
> anything else I'd need to do to make it possible to integrate and add to the
> various distros.
>
> You can use the same url to download (same filename):
> http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
>
> Or download from opkg.org.
>
> Have fun!
> Michal
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Re: new qwerty keyboard, Literki

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/6/16 Michal Brzozowski 

> Hi,
>
> I gave it a shot and made a new keyboard. It's only 2 days old, but it's
> working well for me so I'm announcing it.
>
> http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk
>
>

I made some improvements that you suggested and fixed a few small bugs.

The layouts are improved. The landscape layout is now almost fullscreen and
has numbers and all terminal-frequent symbols on the front page. Typing in
the terminal is now really easy and fast.
Shift works per symbol now. Pressing shift twice turns on caps lock, so you
can type more uppercase symbols.

The next thing I plan to do (but not until 2 or 3 weeks from now) is to use
normal fonts for display, so you can change the font and size to your liking
and add national characters.

Again, I'd like to hear more improvement ideas, as I'd like to make literki
THE keyboard that everyone will use. If anyone is an expert on Xlib, I'd be
grateful for any input on how to make it less sluggish when the transparency
mask changes (shift, etc). And also from distribution maintainers on
anything else I'd need to do to make it possible to integrate and add to the
various distros.

You can use the same url to download (same filename):
http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk

Or download from opkg.org.

Have fun!
Michal
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Petr Vanek]

>you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock
>after leaving the terminal. so whats the point?
>i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the
>terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal

hi, i track flights on regular basis :) what you might find out is:

- in terminals, the glass has metal coating so no fix
- you can get a fix on a plane easily and track your flight even with
  fr in the pocket in the seat in front of you (just needs to stick out
  a bit). make sure you get a fix before departing (see bellow)
- during the flight, the blinds get usually shut, but you can stuck
  your fr right behind it (with a bit of force :)
- FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed
  above 200km - check between shr settings and tango
- FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or)
  high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some
  reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this
  will repeat fo as long as you leave it.

- shr settings would allow you to switch gsm off but unfortunately,
  although it's fso based, it is too much related to ophonekitd and
  therefore the whole work will have to be duplicated in distros not
  using ophonekit. so now the same settings are being worked on for
  om2009. what a shame...

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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[David Fokkema]

On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 23:40 +0200, Vincent MEURISSE wrote:
> On Friday 19 June 2009 23:26:57 jeremy jozwik wrote:
> > i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the
> > terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal
> I tried once and got a fix :P IIRC it was with OM2008.12 in a B737 (Between 
> Stockholm and Paris).
> With the neo stuck to the windows, it took 15 minutes to get a fix :)
> 
> But since normal fix raise from more than 2 minutes in an ideal place to less 
> than 30s inside my room, you could expect better result now.
> 
> (last time I took a plane, my phone was in buzz fix so I didn't retry)
> 

This guy got a fix, apparently:
http://totalueberwachung.de/blog/2008/10/14/fso-tutorial-part-1-gps

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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Richard Kralovic]

> window seat makes no difference : )
> in fact for several minuets i was holding my freerunner against the
> window and got nothing...

I used gps on my freerunner successfully on several flights :-). I just
pushed FR against the window and got a fix within few minutes.
Afterwards, everything worked nicely.

I am using an old FSO milestone 5 build; to enable "airplane mode" there
it is sufficient to close zhone ;-).

Greets
Richard

> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Jakob  > wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, jeremy
> jozwikmailto:jerjoz.for...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock
> after
> > leaving the terminal. so whats the point?
> > i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock
> in the
> > terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the
> signal
> 
> I tried to track a flight once, too. The problem is probably that
> airplanes are a faraday cage as they're usually made of some kind of
> metal. I didn't have a window seat to test if one has a signal there.
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Pianobar on FR

[The Digital Pioneer]

Hey, does anyone care to tackle packaging Pianobar (
http://uint16.ath.cx/html/00/17.html) for the FR? That would be awesome. Or
perhaps make a Canola plugin for it or something.

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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Vincent MEURISSE]

On Friday 19 June 2009 23:26:57 jeremy jozwik wrote:
> i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the
> terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal
I tried once and got a fix :P IIRC it was with OM2008.12 in a B737 (Between 
Stockholm and Paris).
With the neo stuck to the windows, it took 15 minutes to get a fix :)

But since normal fix raise from more than 2 minutes in an ideal place to less 
than 30s inside my room, you could expect better result now.

(last time I took a plane, my phone was in buzz fix so I didn't retry)

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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Marcel]

Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 23:35:17 schrieb Jakob:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, jeremy jozwik 
wrote:
> > you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock
> > after leaving the terminal. so whats the point?
> > i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in
> > the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the
> > signal
>
> I tried to track a flight once, too. The problem is probably that
> airplanes are a faraday cage as they're usually made of some kind of
> metal. I didn't have a window seat to test if one has a signal there.

My dad once had a gps track from someone that looked pretty nice, but I 
don't know details about how he did that...

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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[jeremy jozwik]

window seat makes no difference : )
in fact for several minuets i was holding my freerunner against the window
and got nothing...

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Jakob  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, jeremy jozwik
> wrote:
> > you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after
> > leaving the terminal. so whats the point?
> > i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the
> > terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal
>
> I tried to track a flight once, too. The problem is probably that
> airplanes are a faraday cage as they're usually made of some kind of
> metal. I didn't have a window seat to test if one has a signal there.
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Jakob]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after
> leaving the terminal. so whats the point?
> i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the
> terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal

I tried to track a flight once, too. The problem is probably that
airplanes are a faraday cage as they're usually made of some kind of
metal. I didn't have a window seat to test if one has a signal there.

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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[jeremy jozwik]

you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after
leaving the terminal. so whats the point?
i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the
terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> But you're allowed to use GPS on airplanes, aren't you? So there needs
> to be an option to turn GPS on, if wanted.
>
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070622093234AAVSmN3
>
> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?s=498a551e1c059901bfe0bb8a2c2da5cc&showtopic=187898
>
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Risto H. Kurppa]

But you're allowed to use GPS on airplanes, aren't you? So there needs
to be an option to turn GPS on, if wanted.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070622093234AAVSmN3
http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?s=498a551e1c059901bfe0bb8a2c2da5cc&showtopic=187898

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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[Jan Vlug]

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On 06/19/2009 07:51 PM, Nicola Mfb wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:00 PM,
Gerald A wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Nicola Mfb
 wrote:
>>> The community transition should be announced with an
help call for every
>>> kind of task, testing, writing docs, wiki, administering
servers,
>>> developing, general coordination, transition news and so
on.
>> Maybe we could start a TODO list somewhere on the Wiki?
>> I'm sure lots of people could help, but they need a clue
about what needs to
>> be done.
>
> Exactly! About development I propose to expose peoples, projects
and
> what is missing, an example:
>
> critical "new openmoko community" core development:
>
> *) FSO team is developing the middleware, they need c/vala
experts, funding :)
> *) Mirko is working on Paroli, help is needed to create a a good
wifi
> manager plugin
> *) Angus is working on om2009, openembedded experts are welcome
> *) Nelson, Luca, etc. is working on kernel, some guru needed or
donate
> a debug board
> *) Thomas, Andreas etc. is working on xorg glamo, drm/dri
experts are welcome
> *) xxx, yyy maintains the server infrastructure, gforge experts
needed
> ...
>
> other community development:
>
> *) c_c is working on audio/video mediaplayer
> *) xxx is working on bluetooth manager
> *) yyy is adapting linphone UI for small devices
> *) zzz and www is testing qlwm for arm and writing qt
applications to
> create a new and complete qt/x11 gui phone stack over fso, every
qt
> developer is welcome
> *) xxx is working to support wpa2/enterprise in connman
> *) "" shr
> *) "" debian
> *) "" hackable:1
> *) "" neovento
> *) "" gentoo
> *) "" qtmoko/qtimproved
>
> We need discussion boards too:
>
> *) how to use better the aux and power buttons
> *) killing freezed x11 fullscreen applications
> *) the wanted systray support
> *) windows manager status
> *) x11 server over qtimproved
> *) improving the user interaction with accelerometers
> *) long term architecture for om2010
> ...
>
> The same for other tasks, there are few human resources, we need
> organization and coordination.
>
>

I fully agree, this kind of information is very difficult to find. I
think providing this information might increase confidence that the
community is alive. Personally, I'm curious who are the people that
are doing development, or whatever for the Openmoko project. I'm
wondering whether people are employed by Openmoko, sponsored or
hacking away in their free time. Updating this page is probably a good
start: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who

I encourage the developers/maintainers/contributors of the different
distributions to elaborate a little bit about the latest developments
in the community updates. It's quite difficult to get an idea of the
maturity/liveliness of the different distributions.

Thanks to all who is contributing to the Openmoko community!

Jan.
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[Warren Baird]

nytowl was kind enough to provide the way to turn off GSM to me on the
#paroli irc chat:

mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetAntennaPower False

I'm cleaning things up at work prior to a vacation, so I don't have time to
add it to the wiki now - but if no one has done it in the next day or two,
I'll add it there somewhere...

Warren


On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:48 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote:

> thats something i would have liked on my last trip. perhaps some sort of
> scripting voodoo could disable gps, wiki, gsm, and bluetooth in one shot
> rather then having to sift through the 4 different shr-settings options.
>
> heck even a car mode could be good too
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM, François TOURDE wrote:
>
>> Le 14414ième jour après Epoch,
>> Warren Baird écrivait:
>>
>> > I'm spending about 4 or 5 hours on an airplane tomorrow, and I was
>> wondering
>> > if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane - similar
>> to
>> > the 'airplane mode' that QTEI provides.
>> >
>> > I know that there's no UI for it - but is there something I can kill, or
>> > some dbus magic I can do to address this?
>>
>> Maybe removing the SIM card ? :)
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[shr-testing] turning illume keyboard off causes illume to fail with ffalarms

[jeremy jozwik]

nice interesting error creeping on me this morning, after installing literki
i figured i would switch the keyboard to none in elementary. works great for
the adding new contact, the one place where the default keyboard would auto
show. i could now use literki without the interface changing. trouble is
when i go to ffalarms led clock mode i get the white screen of death
endlessly. and with no interface to close out ffalarms the only solution is
a battery take out.

anyone got some ideas for me to stop this from happening?

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OM on LWN

[Jon Levell]

Hi,

An article about OpenMoko and the FreeRunner was published in
last weeks LWN and is now freely available to non-subscribers:
http://lwn.net/Articles/336787/

Reading that article makes me think the author must be an
incredibly intelligent and likeable chap ;)

Jon.


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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[jeremy jozwik]

thats something i would have liked on my last trip. perhaps some sort of
scripting voodoo could disable gps, wiki, gsm, and bluetooth in one shot
rather then having to sift through the 4 different shr-settings options.

heck even a car mode could be good too

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM, François TOURDE  wrote:

> Le 14414ième jour après Epoch,
> Warren Baird écrivait:
>
> > I'm spending about 4 or 5 hours on an airplane tomorrow, and I was
> wondering
> > if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane - similar
> to
> > the 'airplane mode' that QTEI provides.
> >
> > I know that there's no UI for it - but is there something I can kill, or
> > some dbus magic I can do to address this?
>
> Maybe removing the SIM card ? :)
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Re: [OM2009] airplane mode

[François TOURDE]

Le 14414ième jour après Epoch,
Warren Baird écrivait:

> I'm spending about 4 or 5 hours on an airplane tomorrow, and I was wondering
> if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane - similar to
> the 'airplane mode' that QTEI provides.
>
> I know that there's no UI for it - but is there something I can kill, or
> some dbus magic I can do to address this?

Maybe removing the SIM card ? :)

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Re: using North American Freerunner in Paris?

[Jose Luis Perez Diez]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Matt Luzum wrote:
> I have a North American version of the Freerunner (850/1800/1900MHz),
> but I'm going to be moving to Paris for 2 years starting in the Fall.
>
> Does anyone know anything about whether it will work there?  Is the
> 1800MHz coverage any good, or is there only 900MHz in a lot of places?
> It will be most important in and around Paris, but if you have info
> about the rest of France and Europe, please share that as well, since
> I'll want to do at least some traveling while I have the chance.

jOERG in a recent message comments that the USA FR could work on the 900 MHz
see:
http://n2.nabble.com/US-triband-vs-EU-triband-tp3095084p3095084.html

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Re: using North American Freerunner in Paris?

[Matt Luzum]

jeremy jozwik wrote:
> my 900/1800/1900 works in north america so i would deduce yes, yes it will
> 

Well, I do know that almost everywhere in the US uses the 1900MHz band 
(the phone T-mobile sold me 6 years ago doesn't even work with 850MHz, 
so I had to buy a different one that would work near my parents' house 
in the rural midwest).

My impression was that this isn't the case for Europe in general, 
though.  It certainly seems a bit much to assume that they only use the 
1800MHz band most places, although it would be great for me if that is 
the case.

Matt

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[OM2009] airplane mode

[Warren Baird]

I'm spending about 4 or 5 hours on an airplane tomorrow, and I was wondering
if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane - similar to
the 'airplane mode' that QTEI provides.

I know that there's no UI for it - but is there something I can kill, or
some dbus magic I can do to address this?

Warren

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Re: using North American Freerunner in Paris?

[Cameron Frazier]

Clarification, I have a N.American FR.  Apologies.

Cheers,

Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Cameron
Frazier wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote:
>> my 900/1800/1900 works in north america so i would deduce yes, yes it will
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Matt Luzum  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a North American version of the Freerunner (850/1800/1900MHz),
>>> but I'm going to be moving to Paris for 2 years starting in the Fall.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know anything about whether it will work there?  Is the
>>> 1800MHz coverage any good, or is there only 900MHz in a lot of places?
>>> It will be most important in and around Paris, but if you have info
>>> about the rest of France and Europe, please share that as well, since
>>> I'll want to do at least some traveling while I have the chance.
>>>
>>> Also, since I'm spamming the list anyway, if anyone has any other useful
>>> information it would be much appreciated (Do all providers provide gprs?
>>> Is it better to sign a contract or pay as you go? Is there anything I
>>> need to know about French cell phone providers? or France in general?
>>> etc.).  As you can probably tell I'm from the U.S., and I'm just
>>> starting to learn French, so it's a little difficult for me to get a lot
>>> of good information.
>>>
>>> I apologize if this is not an appropriate use of the mailing list, but I
>>>  haven't been able to find any information specifically about the
>>> 900MHz vs. 1800MHz in France and I figured if anyone knows it will be
>>> people on this list.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Matt
>
>
> While I can't speak for France, I've used my FR in Italy with a local
> pre-paid SIM without issue.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier
>

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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[Nicola Mfb]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Gerald A wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Nicola Mfb  wrote:
>>
>> The community transition should be announced with an help call for every
>> kind of task, testing, writing docs, wiki, administering servers,
>> developing, general coordination, transition news and so on.
>
> Maybe we could start a TODO list somewhere on the Wiki?
> I'm sure lots of people could help, but they need a clue about what needs to
> be done.

Exactly! About development I propose to expose peoples, projects and
what is missing, an example:

critical "new openmoko community" core development:

*) FSO team is developing the middleware, they need c/vala experts, funding :)
*) Mirko is working on Paroli, help is needed to create a a good wifi
manager plugin
*) Angus is working on om2009, openembedded experts are welcome
*) Nelson, Luca, etc. is working on kernel, some guru needed or donate
a debug board
*) Thomas, Andreas etc. is working on xorg glamo, drm/dri experts are welcome
*) xxx, yyy maintains the server infrastructure, gforge experts needed
...

other community development:

*) c_c is working on audio/video mediaplayer
*) xxx is working on bluetooth manager
*) yyy is adapting linphone UI for small devices
*) zzz and www is testing qlwm for arm and writing qt applications to
create a new and complete qt/x11 gui phone stack over fso, every qt
developer is welcome
*) xxx is working to support wpa2/enterprise in connman
*) "" shr
*) "" debian
*) "" hackable:1
*) "" neovento
*) "" gentoo
*) "" qtmoko/qtimproved

We need discussion boards too:

*) how to use better the aux and power buttons
*) killing freezed x11 fullscreen applications
*) the wanted systray support
*) windows manager status
*) x11 server over qtimproved
*) improving the user interaction with accelerometers
*) long term architecture for om2010
...

The same for other tasks, there are few human resources, we need
organization and coordination.

Regards

Nicola

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Re: using North American Freerunner in Paris?

[Cameron Frazier]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote:
> my 900/1800/1900 works in north america so i would deduce yes, yes it will
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Matt Luzum  wrote:
>>
>> I have a North American version of the Freerunner (850/1800/1900MHz),
>> but I'm going to be moving to Paris for 2 years starting in the Fall.
>>
>> Does anyone know anything about whether it will work there?  Is the
>> 1800MHz coverage any good, or is there only 900MHz in a lot of places?
>> It will be most important in and around Paris, but if you have info
>> about the rest of France and Europe, please share that as well, since
>> I'll want to do at least some traveling while I have the chance.
>>
>> Also, since I'm spamming the list anyway, if anyone has any other useful
>> information it would be much appreciated (Do all providers provide gprs?
>> Is it better to sign a contract or pay as you go? Is there anything I
>> need to know about French cell phone providers? or France in general?
>> etc.).  As you can probably tell I'm from the U.S., and I'm just
>> starting to learn French, so it's a little difficult for me to get a lot
>> of good information.
>>
>> I apologize if this is not an appropriate use of the mailing list, but I
>>  haven't been able to find any information specifically about the
>> 900MHz vs. 1800MHz in France and I figured if anyone knows it will be
>> people on this list.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Matt


While I can't speak for France, I've used my FR in Italy with a local
pre-paid SIM without issue.

Cheers,

Cameron 'Toaster' Frazier

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Re: using North American Freerunner in Paris?

[jeremy jozwik]

my 900/1800/1900 works in north america so i would deduce yes, yes it will

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Matt Luzum  wrote:

> I have a North American version of the Freerunner (850/1800/1900MHz),
> but I'm going to be moving to Paris for 2 years starting in the Fall.
>
> Does anyone know anything about whether it will work there?  Is the
> 1800MHz coverage any good, or is there only 900MHz in a lot of places?
> It will be most important in and around Paris, but if you have info
> about the rest of France and Europe, please share that as well, since
> I'll want to do at least some traveling while I have the chance.
>
> Also, since I'm spamming the list anyway, if anyone has any other useful
> information it would be much appreciated (Do all providers provide gprs?
> Is it better to sign a contract or pay as you go? Is there anything I
> need to know about French cell phone providers? or France in general?
> etc.).  As you can probably tell I'm from the U.S., and I'm just
> starting to learn French, so it's a little difficult for me to get a lot
> of good information.
>
> I apologize if this is not an appropriate use of the mailing list, but I
>  haven't been able to find any information specifically about the
> 900MHz vs. 1800MHz in France and I figured if anyone knows it will be
> people on this list.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Matt
>
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Re: GPS IN OM 2009

[jeremy jozwik]

true, but you can do on map sketching for notes

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Marcel  wrote:

> Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 19:28:36 schrieb jeremy jozwik:
> > or omgps, which is much friendlier to the battery life than tangoGPS
> >
> > 2009/6/19 Benny Källström 
> >
> > > How do i use GPS in OM 2009? TangoGPS?
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > > http://n2.nabble.com/GPS-IN-OM-2009-tp3120325p3120325.html
> > > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> But it doesn't support POIs yet afaik...
>
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using North American Freerunner in Paris?

[Matt Luzum]

I have a North American version of the Freerunner (850/1800/1900MHz), 
but I'm going to be moving to Paris for 2 years starting in the Fall.

Does anyone know anything about whether it will work there?  Is the 
1800MHz coverage any good, or is there only 900MHz in a lot of places? 
It will be most important in and around Paris, but if you have info 
about the rest of France and Europe, please share that as well, since 
I'll want to do at least some traveling while I have the chance.

Also, since I'm spamming the list anyway, if anyone has any other useful 
information it would be much appreciated (Do all providers provide gprs? 
Is it better to sign a contract or pay as you go? Is there anything I 
need to know about French cell phone providers? or France in general? 
etc.).  As you can probably tell I'm from the U.S., and I'm just 
starting to learn French, so it's a little difficult for me to get a lot 
of good information.

I apologize if this is not an appropriate use of the mailing list, but I 
  haven't been able to find any information specifically about the 
900MHz vs. 1800MHz in France and I figured if anyone knows it will be 
people on this list.

Thanks in advance
Matt

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Re: GPS IN OM 2009

[Marcel]

Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 19:28:36 schrieb jeremy jozwik:
> or omgps, which is much friendlier to the battery life than tangoGPS
>
> 2009/6/19 Benny Källström 
>
> > How do i use GPS in OM 2009? TangoGPS?
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://n2.nabble.com/GPS-IN-OM-2009-tp3120325p3120325.html
> > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

But it doesn't support POIs yet afaik...

--
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Re: GPS IN OM 2009

[jeremy jozwik]

or omgps, which is much friendlier to the battery life than tangoGPS

2009/6/19 Benny Källström 

>
> How do i use GPS in OM 2009? TangoGPS?
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/GPS-IN-OM-2009-tp3120325p3120325.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[Davide Scaini]

VERY GOOD IDEA INDEED!
thanks risto
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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 17:59, Gothnet wrote:
>
>
>
> Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> OM isn't working on the software for our phones any more and it looks
>> like that also the releasing of Community Updates
>> (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates) has stopped
>>
>>
>
> Hooray! It's less than a year sine the FR "commercial" release and it's
> already abandonware!

I don't think Openmoko support is really needed, and I would not call
FR abandonware. More - it's now better than even before (SHR), and it
looks it will be much better than now in near future (Cornucopia).

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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[Gerald A]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Nicola Mfb  wrote:

> The community transition should be announced with an help call for every
> kind of task, testing, writing docs, wiki, administering servers,
> developing, general coordination, transition news and so on.
>

Maybe we could start a TODO list somewhere on the Wiki?

I'm sure lots of people could help, but they need a clue about what needs to
be done.

I'd even post a list to the wiki, if I knew what needed to be done.

Gerald.
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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[Gothnet]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> OM isn't working on the software for our phones any more and it looks
> like that also the releasing of Community Updates
> (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates) has stopped
> 
> 

Hooray! It's less than a year sine the FR "commercial" release and it's
already abandonware!
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Re: [Om2009] mplayer inits, but doesn't play

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 17:42, Marcel wrote:
> Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 16:32:00 schrieb Angus Ainslie:
>> On June 19, 2009 08:04:39 am Marcel wrote:
>> > Another issue: I called the neo from landline just to see if it helps
>> > (sets gsmhandset.state I suppose...). Paroli doesn't notice that I
>> > cancelled the call on landline and continues vibrating. No ringtone.
>> > And Paroli seems to have crashed, too...
>> > [Appending the log tail hoping someone can interpret that... Seems
>> > like frameworkd marks the call as released but Paroli doesn't
>> > notice...?]
>>
>> Please open a bug and post the full frameworkd  and paroli logs.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Angus
>
> Oh. Eeeh. Just took a look at the Neo before ssh'ing in and noticed
> Paroli's there again, but actually doing something with it takes ages...
> Report is here: http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/192

Do you have speech-dispatcher installed? If yes, then do:
opkg remove -force-depends speech-dispatcher

It's all evil, and it's unneeded. It should be removed from navit
dependences, or fixed to work correctly on Neo.

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Re: YOUR action is needed to get the Community Updates up & running again

[Brenda Wang]

Hi!

OM isn't working on the software for our phones any more and it looks
like that also the releasing of Community Updates
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates) has stopped
(actually the 'news' link has been removed from wiki main navigation).


Brenda Wang  wrote:
> 
> Two days ago, I read the documentation list, there's some request about
> the link of wiki side bar. So I removed the news' link from wiki main
> navigation two days ago.
> 
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2943035|a2952101
> 
> I will add it back when next updates released.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Brenda Wang
> 

So we have to do it. I think it's vital for the community to have some
kind of newsletter that allows one to have a quick look at what's
happened, if you don't follow the mailing lists and IRC daily.

I started the draft page here for the next updates:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates/June_25%2C_2009
Please add there everything that's happened since May 22nd.

Adding news

   1. Don't trust that someone else will add it, add it yourself and
make it clean
   2. Add links to blog posts, applications, mailing list posts that
you think are worth to announce to the whole community

Releasing

   1. If it's The Release Date and you notice the news has not been
released, DO IT! Don't trust that someone else will do it for you.
   2. When you release, move the content of Talk: page to the actual
wikipage.
   3. Add a link to the released update page to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Community_Updates
   4. Prepare the draft page for the next community news: captions,
dates etc.. Releasing news on Thursdays every two weeks sound's good
to me.
   5. Send a post to the community mailing list with the link to the
released news and the draft of the next news.

The rules are also at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Community_Updates#Rules_for_community_updates



r (hey, I just started this again, don't trust me to push it any
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Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Angus Ainslie]

On June 19, 2009 07:27:49 am Michal Brzozowski wrote:
>
> Is there a way to make Paroli and frameworkd keep old logs and not deleting
> them?
>
> Michal

Check here under log directory 

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009#Using_OM2009

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Re: [Om2009] mplayer inits, but doesn't play

[Marcel]

Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 16:32:00 schrieb Angus Ainslie:
> On June 19, 2009 08:04:39 am Marcel wrote:
> > Another issue: I called the neo from landline just to see if it helps
> > (sets gsmhandset.state I suppose...). Paroli doesn't notice that I
> > cancelled the call on landline and continues vibrating. No ringtone.
> > And Paroli seems to have crashed, too...
> > [Appending the log tail hoping someone can interpret that... Seems
> > like frameworkd marks the call as released but Paroli doesn't
> > notice...?]
>
> Please open a bug and post the full frameworkd  and paroli logs.
>
> Thanks
> Angus

Oh. Eeeh. Just took a look at the Neo before ssh'ing in and noticed 
Paroli's there again, but actually doing something with it takes ages...
Report is here: http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/192

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GPS IN OM 2009

[Benny Källström]

How do i use GPS in OM 2009? TangoGPS?
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Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Marcel]

Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 16:21:26 schrieb Nicola Mfb:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Michal Brzozowski 
wrote:
> > 2009/6/19 Robin Paulson 
> >
> >> 2009/6/20 Michal Brzozowski :
> >> > Is there a way to make Paroli and frameworkd keep old logs and not
> >> > deleting
> >> > them?
> >>
> >> easy - create a script which runs at shutdown, to copy the log
> >> file(s) in question to an archive location. maybe in one of the
> >> change-runlevel folders?
> >
> > That doesn't help in a situation where you turn off the phone by
> > taking out the battery.
>
> Unless you launch the script at *startup* :)

And this startup script could replace the actual logfile with a symlink to 
a location on the sd card or similar.

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Re: [Om2009] mplayer inits, but doesn't play

[Angus Ainslie]

On June 19, 2009 08:04:39 am Marcel wrote:
>
> Another issue: I called the neo from landline just to see if it helps
> (sets gsmhandset.state I suppose...). Paroli doesn't notice that I
> cancelled the call on landline and continues vibrating. No ringtone. And
> Paroli seems to have crashed, too...
> [Appending the log tail hoping someone can interpret that... Seems like
> frameworkd marks the call as released but Paroli doesn't notice...?]
>
>

Please open a bug and post the full frameworkd  and paroli logs.

Thanks
Angus


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Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Nicola Mfb]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
> 2009/6/19 Robin Paulson 
>>
>> 2009/6/20 Michal Brzozowski :
>> > Is there a way to make Paroli and frameworkd keep old logs and not
>> > deleting
>> > them?
>> >
>>
>> easy - create a script which runs at shutdown, to copy the log file(s)
>> in question to an archive location. maybe in one of the
>> change-runlevel folders?
>
> That doesn't help in a situation where you turn off the phone by taking out
> the battery.

Unless you launch the script at *startup* :)

 Nicola

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Re: App for remotely controlling jukebox software

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Am 18.06.2009 um 02:33 schrieb Sam Kuper:

> Is there any software for the Freerunner that, with minimal tweaking,
> lets it take the place of the iPhone or iPod Touch in a setup like
> this?[1]
>
> [1] http://www.apple.com/findouthow/mac/#tutorial=wirelessmusic


currently i am working on a GTK-app similar to and inspired by

http://dacp.jsharkey.org/

i think by the end of next week i'll be able to release some alpha- 
like version ..

cheers,
christian (morlac) adams
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Re: [Om2009] mplayer inits, but doesn't play

[Marcel]

Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 10:24:07 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Marcel wrote:
> > I've had this issue in 2009t4 and now also in t5.
> > mplayer inits all the way long until it would actually play the file,
>
> Don't know much about anything but try this:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Audio_problems

snd-pcm-oss doesn't help, mplayer still cannot find /dev/dsp. But anyway 
it should use alsa and no oss-workaround...

Another issue: I called the neo from landline just to see if it helps 
(sets gsmhandset.state I suppose...). Paroli doesn't notice that I 
cancelled the call on landline and continues vibrating. No ringtone. And 
Paroli seems to have crashed, too...
[Appending the log tail hoping someone can interpret that... Seems like 
frameworkd marks the call as released but Paroli doesn't notice...?]

r...@d-a318:~# tail -n 50 /var/log/frameworkd.log 
2009.06.19 15:57:35.691 ogsmdDEBUG+CRING, but call 
status already ok: ignoring
2009.06.19 15:57:35.706 ogsmd.channelDEBUG: got 17 bytes: '\r\n+CRING: VOICE\r\n'  
   
2009.06.19 15:57:35.716 ogsmdWARNING  CALLCHANNEL: 
UNHANDLED INTERMEDIATE: +CRING: VOICE 
2009.06.19 15:57:36.11 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False
 
2009.06.19 15:57:37.9 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False 
 
2009.06.19 15:57:38.11 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False
 
2009.06.19 15:57:38.661 ogsmd.channelDEBUG: got 17 bytes: '\r\n+CRING: VOICE\r\n'  
   
2009.06.19 15:57:38.672 ogsmd.modems.abstract.channel WARNING  UNHANDLED 
INTERMEDIATE: +CRING: VOICE 
2009.06.19 15:57:38.683 ogsmd.channelDEBUG
: got 39 bytes: '\r\n+CRING: 
VOICE\r\n\r\n+CLIP: "",1281\r\n'

2009.06.19 15:57:38.694 ogsmdDEBUG+CRING, but call 
status already ok: ignoring   
2009.06.19 15:57:38.709 ogsmd.channelDEBUG: got 17 bytes: '\r\n+CRING: VOICE\r\n'  
   
2009.06.19 15:57:38.719 ogsmdWARNING  CALLCHANNEL: 
UNHANDLED INTERMEDIATE: +CRING: VOICE 
2009.06.19 15:57:39.9 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUGactive = False 
 
2009.06.19 15:57:39.47 ogsmd.channelDEBUG
: got 29 bytes: '\r\n%CPI: 
1,1,0,1,1,031,0\r\n'
   
2009.06.19 15:57:39.63 ogsmd.device INFO 
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.CallStatus: 1 release {'status': 'release'} 

 
2009.06.19 15:57:39.100 oeventsd.fso_triggers INFO Receive CallStatus, 
status = release  
2009.06.19 15:57:39.112 oeventsd.trigger DEBUGtrigger CallStatus
 
2009.06.19 15:57:39.121 oeventsd.fso_triggers DEBUGTrigger 
CallListContains(active)  
2009.06.19 15:57:39.130 oeventsd.ruleWARNING  Untrigger for 
'CallListContains(active)' called, but not yet triggered. Not untriggering  
  
2009.06.19 15:57:39.142 oeventsd.fso_triggers INFO Receive CallStatus, 
status = release  
2009.06.19 15:57:39.153 oeventsd.trigger DEBUGtrigger CallStatus
 
2009.06.19 15:57:39.162 oeventsd.fso_triggers DEBUGTrigger 
CallListContains(incoming)
2009.06.19 15:57:39.172 oeventsd.trigger DEBUGuntrigger 
CallListContains(incoming)   
2009.06.19 15:57:39.183 oeventsd.fso_triggers INFO Receive CallStatus, 
status = release  
2009.06.19 15:57:39.200 oeventsd.trigger DEBUGtrigger CallStatus
 
2009.06.19 15:57:39.209 oeventsd.fso_triggers DEBUGTrigger 
CallListContains(incoming)
2009.06.19 15:57:39.219 oeventsd.trigger DEBUGuntrigger 
CallListContains(incoming)   
2009.06.19 15:57:39.229 oeventsd.trigger DEBUGuntrigger While 
CallListContains(incoming) if ~(CallListContains(active)) then 
[SetBrightness((90,))]  
 
2009.06.19 15:57:39.244 oeventsd.fso_triggers INFO Receive CallStatus, 
status = release  
2009.06.19 15:57:39.255 oeventsd.trigger DEBUGtrigger CallStatus
 
2009.06.19 15:57:39.265 oeventsd.fso_triggers DEBUGTrigger 

Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/6/19 Robin Paulson 

> 2009/6/20 Michal Brzozowski :
> > Is there a way to make Paroli and frameworkd keep old logs and not
> deleting
> > them?
> >
>
> easy - create a script which runs at shutdown, to copy the log file(s)
> in question to an archive location. maybe in one of the
> change-runlevel folders?
>

That doesn't help in a situation where you turn off the phone by taking out
the battery.
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[shr-u] wpa-exiting with code 1 ???

[Davide Scaini]

Hi guys,
i'm experiencing some problems with shr unstable... so i downloaded the last
one (20090617) and I use that with my favourite kernel (2.28-rc4) with its
modules... but the problem still remains: when i try to connect to my
home-wifi i get:
r...@om-gta02 /etc/network $ ifup eth0
WPA: Configuring Interface
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with code 1


do you have any idea?
thanks
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Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Robin Paulson]

2009/6/20 Michal Brzozowski :
> Is there a way to make Paroli and frameworkd keep old logs and not deleting
> them?
>

easy - create a script which runs at shutdown, to copy the log file(s)
in question to an archive location. maybe in one of the
change-runlevel folders?

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Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Michal Brzozowski]

2009/6/19 Jose Luis Perez Diez 

> El Thursday, 18 de June de 2009 22:52:30 Steven Le Roux va escriure:
> > Another feedback : After a while, receiving a call make paroli buging ,
> the
> > phone is vibrating endless. (infinite loop ?) I can't stop it, and have
> to
> > put the battery off.
> >
> > It happens after a suspend.
> > with any contact.
> >
> > It's just that I can say for the moment... sorry
> >
> > keeping the search...
>
> I did this same test this morning with the same results but I keept it
> vibrating until I arrived at work to copy /var/log/* and the output of
> logread to a pc.
>
> I stoped the buzz calling reboot from ssh ;(
>
> I will try to reproduce it with a plain testing release 5.
>

 I had the phone go into unresumable suspend. I received a call while it was
suspended, it woke up and I answered the call. I don't remember if I put it
down or the other side. Then the phone went to suspend again, and there was
another call coming, I heard it in my radios speakers, but the phone didn't
wake up. I didn't wake up with the power button as well. I restarted it and
tried to get the logs (/var/log/..), but it seems frameworkd only keeps a
small portion of them, as the logs from before the restart got overwritten.
I tried to reproduce the same scenario by myself, but without success.

Is there a way to make Paroli and frameworkd keep old logs and not deleting
them?

Michal
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Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Steven Le Roux]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Jose Luis Perez Diez
wrote:

> El Thursday, 18 de June de 2009 22:52:30 Steven Le Roux va escriure:
> > Another feedback : After a while, receiving a call make paroli buging ,
> the
> > phone is vibrating endless. (infinite loop ?) I can't stop it, and have
> to
> > put the battery off.
> >
> > It happens after a suspend.
> > with any contact.
> >
> > It's just that I can say for the moment... sorry
> >
> > keeping the search...
>
> I did this same test this morning with the same results but I keept it
> vibrating until I arrived at work to copy /var/log/* and the output of
> logread to a pc.
>
> I stoped the buzz calling reboot from ssh ;(


If you have ssh access you can stop it with :

echo none > /sys/class/leds/neo1973:vibrator/trigger


>
> I will try to reproduce it with a plain testing release 5.
>
>
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Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Jose Luis Perez
Diez wrote:
> El Thursday, 18 de June de 2009 22:52:30 Steven Le Roux va escriure:
>> Another feedback : After a while, receiving a call make paroli buging , the
>> phone is vibrating endless. (infinite loop ?) I can't stop it, and have to
>> put the battery off.
>>
>> It happens after a suspend.
>> with any contact.
>>
>> It's just that I can say for the moment... sorry
>>
>> keeping the search...
>
> I did this same test this morning with the same results but I keept it
> vibrating until I arrived at work to copy /var/log/* and the output of
> logread to a pc.
>
> I stoped the buzz calling reboot from ssh ;(
>
> I will try to reproduce it with a plain testing release 5.

Please post the logs to http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ with the bug rep!!


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Re: [Om2009] mplayer inits, but doesn't play

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Marcel wrote:
> I've had this issue in 2009t4 and now also in t5.
> mplayer inits all the way long until it would actually play the file,

Don't know much about anything but try this:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Audio_problems


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Re: App for remotely controlling jukebox software

[sam tygier]

Sam Kuper wrote:
> Is there any software for the Freerunner that, with minimal tweaking,
> lets it take the place of the iPhone or iPod Touch in a setup like
> this?[1]

Have you looked at xmms2 and mpd (music player daemon). both are music players 
based on a client server model. you run the server on a computer that has 
speakers and has the music files (can be mounted over the network). then you 
run one of the many clients on any computer on the network.

it looks like there is at least a mpd client for openmoko 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pythm

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Re: Om2009 testing release 5

[Jose Luis Perez Diez]

El Thursday, 18 de June de 2009 22:52:30 Steven Le Roux va escriure:
> Another feedback : After a while, receiving a call make paroli buging , the
> phone is vibrating endless. (infinite loop ?) I can't stop it, and have to
> put the battery off.
>
> It happens after a suspend.
> with any contact.
>
> It's just that I can say for the moment... sorry
>
> keeping the search...

I did this same test this morning with the same results but I keept it 
vibrating until I arrived at work to copy /var/log/* and the output of 
logread to a pc.

I stoped the buzz calling reboot from ssh ;(

I will try to reproduce it with a plain testing release 5.



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Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?

[Paul Fertser]

Robin Paulson  writes:
> 2009/6/19 Laszlo KREKACS :
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Al Johnson
>> > You can even talk on the phone when FR is suspended! (yes, this is
>> > because Calypso, the GSM chip is separated from the main processor)> 
>> >  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to say it was a bug because having the audio chip powered during
>>> suspend is a power leak. It sounds like this has been fixed.
>>>
>>
>> Yepp, but the phone could be clever enough, that if it suspends during
>> the call, it leaves
>> the audio chip powered.
>
> this (leaving the audio powered on) would be very nice to have as a
> configurable option. someone who takes lots of incoming calls (say a
> service tech), could well benefit from it.

Nice idea, would you please file a ticket on OM trac as a wishlist to
"System Software" and set milestone to 2009-stable so it won't be
forgotten?

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