Re: Community Updates: June 25 2009 released!
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Brenda Wangccat...@seed.net.tw wrote: I put this link the navigation bar. You can access this page via News of sidebar. Great, thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
people have different ideas about how to use their devices. regarding netiquette, opinion varies and there is no one solution which fits everyone best. not every wants to use text based clients, nor scroll to the end of a page. regardless of it being near instant or several steps, they are still unnecessary steps. in the end this is, as it always has been, a religious preference that some people attempt to enforce passionately. thankfully the passionate argument of 40 column text has disappeared. On 06/26/09 01:28, Matthias Apitz wrote: I think I'd never use my FR to read and answer the hundreds of mail I receive every day; ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freedom Redfined.
Hi Steve, That's great news. It sounds like you're not giving up on something you love, so good for you! I guess we'll find out once you make more announcements and get your website up, but I'm curious how this impacts the need for the community to create an organization. It sounds like a community organization might not be such an urgent need if your new company will be hosting some or all of the community projects. If that's the case count me a little relieved. A community organization might still be a good idea to complement your plans, but creating it will probably take a lot of time. I still want to help, but I can really only commit to it part time. Good luck and keep us posted! Jeremy On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Steve Mosherst...@openmoko.com wrote: Community, As many of you know may 25th was my last official day at Openmoko. Since that time I have been focused on two things: First, putting my Openmoko business in order. There were several tasks that got cut off midstream by the layoff and I felt I owed it to the community to see those jobs through to some sort of conclusion. Having relied on volunteer work from the community for so long, it only seemed right that I contribute. I wanted to see the buzz fix program successfully implemented both in the EU and in North America. With help from Dr. Schaller, SDG, and Sean I was able to get that done. Next on my list was the GTA02 core project. When we canceled the GTA03 Werner and others started a community effort to do a phone design that was completely community driven. That's no small task, but it keeps the dream alive so I will continue to support it. On that front, we have met with some success. Building Open Source hardware requires money at some stage, money to buy parts and money to build prototypes. Openmoko has graciously agreed to donate some components to the project and I've put Werner in contact with people who can help with the prototype runs. It's still early and there is a lot of work to do, so pitch in if you can. I also wanted to see the foundation work kicked off. And lastly I tried to find some of my Openmoko friends employment which brings me to the second major thing I have been working on: Starting a new company. Wolfgang has alluded to this in a previous post and now is a good time to let you all know what we have been up to since late May. In the coming days as we get the web page together and lists set up I'll make some announcements and blog about the company and its mission. The key elements are 1. Using existing hardware rather than designing new hardware. 2. Focusing the software effort below the user levels, 3. targeting the linux developer community. The most important thing from our perspective is that there is no conflict with OM. Wolfgang and I met with Sean on Saturday and explained our plan. OM will focus on Project B so there won't be any conflict. We also agreed that in the future the two companies will be able to find ways to work together with OM perhaps picking up some of our products and applying their focus-- Industrial design and user interface. I'll be back to announce the name of the company in the coming week or so as we build out the web page. You can write me here or at my personal gmail account. (moshersteven@) Best Regards All, Steve. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
El día Friday, June 26, 2009 a las 02:09:51AM -0400, David Ford escribió: people have different ideas about how to use their devices. regarding netiquette, opinion varies and there is no one solution which fits everyone best. not every wants to use text based clients, nor scroll to the end of a page. regardless of it being near instant or several steps, they are still unnecessary steps. in the end this is, as it always has been, a religious preference that some people attempt to enforce passionately. thankfully the passionate argument of 40 column text has disappeared. Everything in Internet must have rules, for example, mail is transported by protocols like SMTP and they are ruled in RFC's like RFC822. One of those rules is the netiquette, another is line wrapping around column 68-72 (and not 40) which makes still much sense and has not disappeared; even your text is correcly wrapped, only wrong (top) posted. matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB Connection Needs Password
BU_BISON wrote: sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 sudo ip link set usb0 up sudo ssh r...@192.168.0.200 I do this and then it asks me for a password. According to the wiki the default password is blank so i don't enter anything and it say Permission Denied, please try again. and prompts me for the password again. I never set a password so I have no idea what it could be. Is there anyway that I can bypass this or connect my phone to my computer is another way? Hi, The ssh command is using the wrong IP address. It should read: ssh r...@192.168.0.202 You don't need to use sudo at the beginning of the command. ssh doesn't need root privileges. 192.168.0.200 is probably your computer, so the ssh prompt was expecting your computer's root password. If you're using a distro like Ubuntu where there is no root account (or if sshd is configured not to allow root logins), probably no password would ever work. The phone's IP is 192.168.0.202 when you use USB networking. Jeremy -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/USB-Connection-Needs-Password-tp3150749p3160091.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR annoyances (+ a few workarounds)
No, that cannot cause the problem. dictator only stores the current state in /tmp/tmp.state and reloads it while being destroyed. It provides its own state-files. Try the one from opkg.org. Matthias Jon Levell schrieb: On 06/25/2009 10:03 AM, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: Dictator The version in the repositories seems to just record crackling if I try and record my voice - this used to work. I think that comes from SHR keeping the alsa state files in /usr/share/shr/scenarii now - and IIRC dictator needs to change them. Sounds likely... it's a shame - I found Dictator a useful app. Jon. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 02:09 -0400, David Ford wrote: people have different ideas about how to use their devices. regarding netiquette, opinion varies and there is no one solution which fits everyone best. not every wants to use text based clients, nor scroll to the end of a page. regardless of it being near instant or several steps, they are still unnecessary steps. in the end this is, as it always has been, a religious preference that some people attempt to enforce passionately. thankfully the passionate argument of 40 column text has disappeared. What do you mean? 40 columns? Way too much for my terminal! I read this from punchcards (extended version) so that I really need your mails to wrap around much less than 40 columns. I hate people are making so many assumptions as to what terminal I'm using to read their mails. So, I agree with your first point. Regards, David PS: This thread alone has made for a nice stack of cards. Still think- ing about ways to use them... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
there is no functional harm to top posting, only that it violates your preference. There is. With top posting, it may be, and often is, hard to understand what patricular part of previous message(s) author is answering to. Because of that: - reading and understanding discussion becomes much harder, - when author formats message such that his reply is just below the text he replies to, he will likely see and re-read it while typing, and really reply to it, not to something else that his oppoinent never wrote. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates: June 25 2009 released!
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Nicola Mfbnicola@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Risto H. Kurppari...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi! Great, thanks for releasin! Could you finish the job, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Community_Update (- create a new draft etc) Hi Risto, I did not it as I have some doubt about the date for the next release, as this is only volunteer based, it may be that 2 weeks is a short period. What's about a monthly update? p.s. thanks to brenda to restore the news link. I'd suggest we try every 2nd week and if there's not enough to publish (hmm.. if there's something, it's worth publishing, I think..) we extend it.. Once/month gives the user 'old news', things here happen faster: some app can release 2-3 versions in a month. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
2009/6/26 Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org - when author formats message such that his reply is just below the text he replies to, he will likely see and re-read it while typing, and really reply to it, not to something else that his oppoinent never wrote. True, but sometimes you want to make a general remark on the subject of the thread, and then I think it's ok to top post. A worse habit is when someone is bottom posting and quotes the whole email and you have to scroll down to see what he wrote. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates: June 25 2009 released!
I'd suggest we try every 2nd week and if there's not enough to publish (hmm.. if there's something, it's worth publishing, I think..) we extend it.. Once/month gives the user 'old news', things here happen faster: some app can release 2-3 versions in a month. +1 -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
posting style preferences was Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
any chance you fight that out somewhere else? the discussions about the prefered posting style (and no, there's no rule!) is as old as the internet -- and both positions still live and kick. that can only mean one thing: for both prefs good reasons exist and no party could ever convince the other one. if you, please, would stop to argue on that mostly religuous level and look to what you (hopefully) want to achieve? do not top post! is as stupid as do not bottom post!, and assumptions what users do, are always subjective -- if i receive a mail with bottom posting, i don not read the entire mail, but scroll to the part not cited (usually marked by different color or missing symbol at line position 0). simply always cut down the mail to tzhe neccissities, do not stupidly type either bottom or top. the realy annoyance is not top or bottom posting, the real annoyance are those stupid mails where simply everything everybody once saidf is included -- and even those fighting for nettiquette do that very often! a good rule _would_ be to imagine, that recipients _are_ reading the mails on their fr -- it easily reminds you to not live for dogms but for common sense. btw: those lengthy mails are annoying not only on the fr but even on my netbook with about 600px screen height! and that is use rather often to check mails. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: posting style preferences was Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
FINALLY :) Thumbs up! arne anka ha scritto: any chance you fight that out somewhere else? the discussions about the prefered posting style (and no, there's no rule!) is as old as the internet -- and both positions still live and kick. that can only mean one thing: for both prefs good reasons exist and no party could ever convince the other one. if you, please, would stop to argue on that mostly religuous level and look to what you (hopefully) want to achieve? do not top post! is as stupid as do not bottom post!, and assumptions what users do, are always subjective -- if i receive a mail with bottom posting, i don not read the entire mail, but scroll to the part not cited (usually marked by different color or missing symbol at line position 0). simply always cut down the mail to tzhe neccissities, do not stupidly type either bottom or top. the realy annoyance is not top or bottom posting, the real annoyance are those stupid mails where simply everything everybody once saidf is included -- and even those fighting for nettiquette do that very often! a good rule _would_ be to imagine, that recipients _are_ reading the mails on their fr -- it easily reminds you to not live for dogms but for common sense. btw: those lengthy mails are annoying not only on the fr but even on my netbook with about 600px screen height! and that is use rather often to check mails. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community FINALLY :) Thumbs up! (To not hurt anyone :P ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: posting style preferences was Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
LOL On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 12:32 +0200, DJDAS wrote: FINALLY :) Thumbs up! BWL snip FINALLY :) Thumbs up! (To not hurt anyone :P ) ROTFL David ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates: June 25 2009 released!
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Risto H. Kurppari...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Nicola Mfbnicola@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Risto H. Kurppari...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi! Great, thanks for releasin! Could you finish the job, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Community_Update (- create a new draft etc) Hi Risto, I did not it as I have some doubt about the date for the next release, as this is only volunteer based, it may be that 2 weeks is a short period. What's about a monthly update? p.s. thanks to brenda to restore the news link. I'd suggest we try every 2nd week and if there's not enough to publish (hmm.. if there's something, it's worth publishing, I think..) we extend it.. Once/month gives the user 'old news', things here happen faster: some app can release 2-3 versions in a month. Ok! let's try :) even with 2/3 news the community updates may help peoples that cannot follow all the community list. I completed the work and released the draft on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates/July_9%2C_2009 Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates: June 25 2009 released!
Ok! let's try :) even with 2/3 news the community updates may help peoples that cannot follow all the community list. I completed the work and released the draft on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates/July_9%2C_2009 Can you provide link to hints on how to create new drafts? I found useful (at least for me) hints about editing these wiki pages: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines#Use_templates -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: posting style preferences was Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
Long long ago, someone wrote : And sometimes, you just dont have to quote, because the discussion hierarchy isnt lost within mailing lists. True. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates: June 25 2009 released!
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Ok! let's try :) even with 2/3 news the community updates may help peoples that cannot follow all the community list. I completed the work and released the draft on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates/July_9%2C_2009 Can you provide link to hints on how to create new drafts? I found useful (at least for me) hints about editing these wiki pages: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines#Use_templates I simply taked the skeleton from 25 June talk page history. It was made by Risto, having time I'll write a template like page and improve instructions and hints to write the nexts community updates. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates: June 25 2009 released!
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Nicola Mfbnicola@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Ok! let's try :) even with 2/3 news the community updates may help peoples that cannot follow all the community list. I completed the work and released the draft on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates/July_9%2C_2009 Can you provide link to hints on how to create new drafts? I found useful (at least for me) hints about editing these wiki pages: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines#Use_templates I simply taked the skeleton from 25 June talk page history. It was made by Risto, having time I'll write a template like page and improve instructions and hints to write the nexts community updates. I want remember that I'm not the right guy to contribute on that as English is not my native language but if you'll be patient I'll be happy in doing it. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Anyone know a store that sells FreeRunner accs in the US
I am looking for where I can buy accessories for my FreeRunner here in the US, TuxBrain has a couple that I am interested in, the leather case and the invisible shield, but they seem to be european based and would rather not pay any kind of fees that would go with it if they do ship to the US. I bought my FreeRunner for SDG but they don't offer much accessories, anyone know where else to look? -- We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure. Karl Popper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linphone 3.1.0
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Al Johnsonopenm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Thursday 25 June 2009, Michele Brocco wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Al Johnsonopenm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Wednesday 24 June 2009, MicVM wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 25 March 2009, Paul Fertser wrote: Problems: * I haven't got it to do sound yet - it seems unhappy with the alsa device capabilities. I don't know if this is a configuration issue or a fundamental problem. I guess you face the same issue with borked /etc/asound.conf as others. It has dmix as the default device, and dmix obviously doesn't support recording. Probably you can remove /etc/asound.conf altogether or try to mimic configuration of any desktop distro. Or just configure linphone to use hw:0,0 by default. Also, don't forget that a special voip.state should be loaded before trying to input/output sound. It uses DAI mode 10 and arecord -D hw:0,0 | aplay -D hw:0,0 is known to work. I suspected as much, but couldn't confirm at the time. I had only given it a cursory check with the config that used to work for me with v1.6 and 2007.2. Now I can confirm it works using Brian Code's asound.conf and the voip- handset.state that comes with milestone5. Brian's config is available at: http://www.koolu.org/asound.conf Thanks for the precious hints guys. I am running shr unstable and linphone 3 there eats up to 80% of cpu time and so makes a conversation impossible. Did u do the same experience there? Conversation was no problem for me, so I didn't even look at CPU load. It will depend on the codec used, so you may have been using a computationally heavy one. Another factor could be enabling echo cancellation. I assume it's linphone you see using 80% rather than some other app coincidentally hogging CPU. Indeed, it was the enabled echo cancellation! Thanks! But now I have another problem: the voip-handset.state file allows me to talk, however I can not hear anything. The only statefile I can use to hear sound from my internal speaker is the stereoout.state file. I tried also using the voip-handset.state file I had from my previous OM2008.12 linphone2 installation but it doesnt change anything. Did I forget to set something? My linphone devices are all set to ALSA:default device (thanks to your asound.conf) Try starting linphone3 from the terminal to see if there are any error messages about the audio. voip-handset.state should give sound through the earpiece, not the speaker. Besides glade and GTK Warnings this was the only output: ALSA lib conf.c:3949:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0 ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default:0 ALSA lib conf.c:3949:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters 0 ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default:0 it's not ringing in the earpiece while the target telephone is ringing. Microphone works ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone know a store that sells FreeRunner accs in the US
Am Freitag, 26. Juni 2009 21:06:11 schrieb Adam Jimerson: I am looking for where I can buy accessories for my FreeRunner here in the US, TuxBrain has a couple that I am interested in, the leather case and the invisible shield, but they seem to be european based and would rather not pay any kind of fees that would go with it if they do ship to the US. I bought my FreeRunner for SDG but they don't offer much accessories, anyone know where else to look? You can get the InvisibleShield.com (?) directly from their site, google will help you. The leather case probably needs to be imported from Europe, but I'm not sure there. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner for sale... 100€
Hi Adam, Le 14421ième jour après Epoch, Adam Kowalski écrivait: since 8 monts i looking for Freerunner. I think this offer its ok (100Euro). I think so :) I whish to buy this Phone Sorry, already gone ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
DNS fix disappears on android beta 7
Hello -- I am trying to apply DNS fix as per http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_usage cat init.rc confirms that the changes are there. However, after reboot the changes the the DNS section in init.rc disappear. In addition, gsm service is gone. What is the problem and how to fix it? Mikhail. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: posting style preferences was Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
so true 2009/6/26 Fabian Schölzel fabian.schoel...@googlemail.com Long long ago, someone wrote : And sometimes, you just dont have to quote, because the discussion hierarchy isnt lost within mailing lists. True. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
