date:20090715

best way for a Canadian to buy a FreeRunner?

2009-07-15 Thread Brolin Empey

Hello list,

I have decided to finally try a FreeRunner after tiring of my Nokia 6103b’s
limitations.  I have even started using a paper todo list again for personal
tasks because my Nokia 6103b is limited to 40 tasks, but I would rather have
todo lists in a handheld computer, such as a FreeRunner.

Anyway, what is the best way for me to buy a FreeRunner?  I want a
buzz-fixed version.  I live in Delta, British Columbia, Canada.  I guess I
can either buy from the Canadian Openmoko distributor or import a FreeRunner
from the USA.  I live close to Washington state.  My parents have a PO box
(probably not the most precise term) in Blaine, WA, so I could probably get
a FreeRunner shipped there and ask my parents to pick up my FreeRunner for
me the next time they go to Blaine.

Thanks,
Brolin

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using a FreeRunner without cellular service

2009-07-15 Thread Brolin Empey

Hello list,

I am planning on buying a FreeRunner.  I need to check with my carrier
(Speak Out Wireless in Canada) about cellular usage outside of my home area,
but I may want to use my FreeRunner without cellular service.  Is this
possible?  Does it work well?  Do I have to remove my SIM or can I disable
the cellular service without removing the SIM?  I do not have a data plan.
I guess the FreeRunner should work fine without cellular service since it is
more of a handheld computer with phone functionality than only a cell phone,
but I have never used any Openmoko phone so I do not know.  My Nokia 6103b
is actually my first and only cell phone because I have had a cell phone
only since 2008, so I am relatively new to cell phones.  I am young (0x16,
which my dad says means I can drive in Silicon Valley. ;)) and am a computer
enthusiast, though, so I can easily learn new computer-related things.

Thanks,
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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Fertser

Adam Jimerson vend...@gmail.com writes:
On Tuesday 14 July 2009 06:58:45 pm Steven King wrote:
On Tuesday 14 July 2009 12:28:47 The Digital Pioneer wrote:
Confirming again, I have my headset working perfectly after uncommenting
the line Paul mentioned and rebooting. :D

After following the latest instructions in the wiki, rebooting the phone
and restarting my headset, I got it working with my Jabra bt3030.

Anyway, my thanks Paul and the others who made it work.

Yes thanks to the updated wiki page I also got my bt headset working, but
does
the phone see when the bt headset is turned off? After turning off my bt
headset and making a test call with the phone I get no sound, I'm sure what
is
going on is the phone is still trying to route sound to the bt headset.

Guys, i'm glad it now works for you.

Since you started to actually test BT support i suggest now to file
bugs on FSO trac [1]. Please provide all the steps to reproduce and
attach relevant parts of frameworkd log.

Also if your headset at least once (after clean boot) worked (means
you at least heard the other side) please add its make and model to
the list in the wiki [2].

[1] http://trac.freesmartphone.org/report
[2]
https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner
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Re: using a FreeRunner without cellular service

2009-07-15 Thread Michal Brzozowski

Hi,

Yes, it works fine as a handheld computer if you don't put the SIM in or
simply turn it off in some settings.

Have fun!
Michal

2009/7/15 Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be

 Hello list,

 I am planning on buying a FreeRunner.  I need to check with my carrier
 (Speak Out Wireless in Canada) about cellular usage outside of my home area,
 but I may want to use my FreeRunner without cellular service.  Is this
 possible?  Does it work well?  Do I have to remove my SIM or can I disable
 the cellular service without removing the SIM?  I do not have a data plan.
 I guess the FreeRunner should work fine without cellular service since it is
 more of a handheld computer with phone functionality than only a cell phone,
 but I have never used any Openmoko phone so I do not know.  My Nokia 6103b
 is actually my first and only cell phone because I have had a cell phone
 only since 2008, so I am relatively new to cell phones.  I am young (0x16,
 which my dad says means I can drive in Silicon Valley. ;)) and am a computer
 enthusiast, though, so I can easily learn new computer-related things.

 Thanks,
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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Fertser

Steven King sfkin...@yahoo.com writes:
 On Tuesday 14 July 2009 12:28:47 The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 Confirming again, I have my headset working perfectly after uncommenting
 the line Paul mentioned and rebooting. :D

 Now I just need to figure out how to get the AVRCP bits working so I can use 
 the 
 controls on the bt3030 to answer/hangup...

A small hint about implementing headset button handling: bluez already
provides some support for that and produces dbus signals on various
button press events. See doc/audio-api.txt (org.bluez.Headset
interface).

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Re: using a FreeRunner without cellular service

2009-07-15 Thread jahckal

2009/7/15 Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be

 Hello list,

Hello,

outside of my home area, but I may want to use my FreeRunner without
 cellular service.  Is this possible?  Does it work well?  Do I have to
 remove my SIM or can I disable the cellular service without removing the
 SIM?


It's very easy (in SHR).
http://blog.shr-project.org/assets_c/2009/01/gsm-7.html

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Re: SD-card faulty?

2009-07-15 Thread Linus Gasser

William Kenworthy a écrit :
  have a sandisk 8G card - using the default clock rate I get corruption
 within a few minutes with tangogps or any heavy usage.
 

If you get corruption, is the filesystem directly unusable, or is it 
only visible after a reboot?

 Slowing the clock down totally fixes it.

Could you copy-paste the append-GTA02 - file, please? Thank you,

Linus

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Re: SD-card faulty?

2009-07-15 Thread Nicola Mfb

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Linus Gasserine...@markas-al-nour.org wrote:
 Hi list,

 is there a procedure how I can test whether my SD-card is supported with
 my freerunner GTA02? According to the wiki, my Sandisk 8GB C4 card
 should be OK (even though I don't find the C4-part). If this card is not
 OK, what is best in th 8GB-range?

 Thanks,

My kingston 8GB corrupts when GSM is on, some time with NSOD.

http://picasaweb.google.it/nicola.mfb/Freerunner#5358587992937775330

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Re: SD-card faulty?

2009-07-15 Thread David Garabana Barro

On Wednesday 15 July 2009 09:38:57 Nicola Mfb wrote:

 My kingston 8GB corrupts when GSM is on, some time with NSOD.

 http://picasaweb.google.it/nicola.mfb/Freerunner#5358587992937775330

My kingston 8GB (SDC4/8GB07) works flawlessly. I haven't had any corruption in 
the 4 months since I own it.

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Re: [Om2009] Still no usb networking from windows ?

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Fertser

Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com writes:
 I don't think I am the only one who uses Microsoft Windows at work...

Just tried to attach my FR to a coworker's PC running windows
xpsp3. It just works with the inf file from wiki.

I run the latest andy-tracking kernel.

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Re: SD-card faulty?

2009-07-15 Thread William Kenworthy

I think append-GTA02 is used by Qi ? - I use u-boot, the clock is slowed
by using an init file - can use for Qi or u-boot

/etc/init/sd_clk
_
#!/bin/sh

echo 1000  /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_max_clk
_

Add it to run on boot via update-rc.d

There is also a wiki page somewhere with more detail

BillK




On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 08:09 +0100, Linus Gasser wrote:
 William Kenworthy a écrit :
   have a sandisk 8G card - using the default clock rate I get corruption
  within a few minutes with tangogps or any heavy usage.
  
 
 If you get corruption, is the filesystem directly unusable, or is it 
 only visible after a reboot?
 
  Slowing the clock down totally fixes it.
 
 Could you copy-paste the append-GTA02 - file, please? Thank you,
 
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Re: [SHR - Latest unstable] screenshot application

2009-07-15 Thread Tony Berth

well 'gpe-scap.desktop' is already there! And reads:

[Desktop Entry]
Name=Take Screenshot
Comment=Save a screenshot or upload it to http://handhelds.org/scap
Exec=gpe-scap
Terminal=0
Type=Application
Icon=gpe-scap.png
Categories=Action
StartupNotify=False

but don't get any icon on my Desktop. So something is wrong in that file?

Thanks

Tony

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:25 PM, mqy meng.qing...@gmail.com wrote:


 think about what will be captured if you issue that command from desktop :)

 One way: from Terminal (which is on desktop), issue this command:

 # sleep 5; gpe-scap

 then switch to the window you want, wait a while...

 Of course you can add your own gpe-scape.desktop which execute a shell
 script with content as above.


 Tony Berth wrote:
 
  in the latest SHR unstable, the screenshot application does run from
  command
  line but its icon doesn't appear on the Desktop! Should be something
 minor
  to fix it?
 
  Thanks
 
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Re: [SHR-U] Intone Playlist Failure

2009-07-15 Thread c_c


Hi,

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 
 Custom playlists only.
 
  Ok. Found the bug. Fixed pkg will be out soon. Thanks for the report.
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Re: Sms-sentry patch : call me back

2009-07-15 Thread c_c


Hi,

Angus Ainslie-2 wrote:
 
 You register a known sim with SMS-sentry and if it gets changed the phone
 sends it's location to a predefined 
 number.
 
  Ha ! Neat solution to the problem. Hope you add that soon.
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Re: [SHR - Latest unstable] screenshot application

2009-07-15 Thread Bernd Prünster

Tony Berth schrieb:
 well 'gpe-scap.desktop' is already there! And reads:

 [Desktop Entry]
 Name=Take Screenshot
 Comment=Save a screenshot or upload it to http://handhelds.org/scap
 Exec=gpe-scap
 Terminal=0  
 Type=Application
 Icon=gpe-scap.png
 Categories=Action
 StartupNotify=False

 but don't get any icon on my Desktop. So something is wrong in that file?

 Thanks
try this:

Categories=Office;



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Re: why openmoko is so slow? Is it a joke?

2009-07-15 Thread DJDAS

Joerg Lippmann ha scritto:
 When will that be? When the device is completely obsolete?
   
Please see below...
 Sorry, but after a year of waiting I still have an expensive brick that I can 
 neither use as a proper phone (speaker still WAY to low, too unstable, too 
 slow, too battery-hungry) nor as a PDA (no usable software available). 
Which distribution did you try? Have you tried looking at the archives, 
wikis and suggestions to optimize phone stability? I use it as my daily 
phone since September 2008 and missed about 10 calls and a couple of 
messages since then (I think 10 months is quite a good statistics), no 
problems with speakers, NEVER, I just tuned my alsastates 2 times (one 
before the buzzing fix and one after) with my brother on the other side 
of a call and everything worked well, battery longs about 2 days which 
is quite good for a mini-pc capable of doing almost everything 
(obviously you have to turn off unused antennas and lower the display 
backlight, I use the mid setup). What do you mean with no usable 
software available? I use TangoGPS, and Navit for mapping and 
navigating, qtopia stack for phone, Minimo as web browser, Neon as 
picture viewer, ShortOM for system script launching, Mokoko as media 
player, Leafpad as text editor and a bunch of other apps which work very 
well.

 So I 
 really regret my decision to buy it. But then again, it was touted as a real 
 phone for end-users back then and being a happy Linux-User for 14 years, I 
 thought that I could live with some minor flaws...
   

Are you able to point me a link where the Freerunner was claimed as 
end-user phone? I follow the project since Neo1973 presentation and I 
never saw any message/announcement where the Freerunner was pointed as 
end-user device
 I'm really for the idea of freeing the phone (thats why I bought one), free 
 hardware and the community. And I really loved to see this effort to succeed. 
 But I came to realize that I start to hate this sluggish, instable device 
 without good software. 
Well dirt your hands and write some software, don't wait someone does it 
for you complaining and whining it's too late and the device is becoming 
obsolete (consider some distros are still supporting the Neo1973 so the 
Freerunner will be supported for many years to come, I think). It's easy 
to complain, more difficult participate and become part of a dream and a 
way of think and live. Whining is useless, coding pushes things forward ;)

 I cannot help it. I haven't found a single distro that 
 works well out of the box. The best ones so far were QTopia/QTe and Android. 
 And neither are really community efforts. 
If you want to try a distro (it's not so updated but it works out of the 
box) contact me be email and I'll send you informations to download a rootfs

 So I consider my personal experiment 
 (buying a community-driven phone for 300 EUR) as failed. Sorry.
   
Well, the only thing I can complain is hardware bugs because not so many 
people are good with soldering and fix, but after the buzzing fix I can 
definitely say my Freerunner is a great device (calling a phone is 
reductive). I will for sure be a buyer (if possible) of the next 
generation device when the Glamo will be trashcanned because I think 
this is the only real bad stuff that limits usability but with a little 
workarounds and theming even this is a minor problem for me.
And more important I believe in this dream and will never stop thanking 
Sean, Steve and the others for making it possible.
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Re: [All] Intone bluetooth commands

2009-07-15 Thread c_c


Hi,

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 
This is a feature request for Intone to listen to bluetooth button
commands (play, pause, next, prev, etc). 
 
  Sure - I'm already working on supporting a2dp output (not the pairing part
though). Will add this too. But I need more details - for eg what are the
buttons on these headsets that you need added?
  I don't have one (bt a2dp headset) so can you list these buttons?

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 
The phone itself will handle these for the most part, Intone needs only
listen for keypresses like XF86Play etc.
 
  Can anyone point me in the right direction where I can get a list of these
keypresses?

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 
NOTE: For anyone who wants their headset to send these events, you need to
modprobe uinput. I assume they work on the FR, but I don't know how to test
them.
 
  I can modprobe uinput from intone as an option. But as I don't have access
to such a headset, can someone do a test and let me know what the resulting
scan codes are?

Petr Vanek wrote:
 
i would have thought that the keybinding option in Illume would do
this but no luck in my case...  (did try modprobe uinput)
 
  Hmmm. Maybe someone can throw some light on this.
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Re: [SHR - Latest unstable - SOLVED] screenshot application

2009-07-15 Thread Tony Berth

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Bernd Prünster
bernd.pruens...@gmail.comwrote:

 Tony Berth schrieb:
  well 'gpe-scap.desktop' is already there! And reads:
 
  [Desktop Entry]
  Name=Take Screenshot
  Comment=Save a screenshot or upload it to http://handhelds.org/scap
  Exec=gpe-scap
  Terminal=0
  Type=Application
  Icon=gpe-scap.png
  Categories=Action
  StartupNotify=False
 
  but don't get any icon on my Desktop. So something is wrong in that file?
 
  Thanks
 try this:

 Categories=Office;


That did the trick. Thanks

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Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-07-15 Thread c_c


Hi,

Davide wrote:
 
 Send it to yu
 
 Can you fsck your sd card - just to rule out any filesystem issue and post
back?
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Re: [SHR - Latest unstable] screenshot application

2009-07-15 Thread Michael Tansella

I use it the following way

[Desktop Entry]
Name=Take Screenshot
Comment=Save a screenshot or upload it to http://handhelds.org/scap
Exec=sleep 5  gpe-scap
Terminal=0
Type=Application
Icon=gpe-scap.png
Categories=Application
StartupNotify=False

So I push the icon and have 5 seconds to switch to the application I want.

Greets
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Re: Intone (0.30 - beta release) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-07-15 Thread Laszlo KREKACS

Maybe I asked before:

Is there any *READY MADE* package for om2009t5 ?

So no hunting for good mplayer, xglamo or whatever is needed.
I only want to opkg install it, and expect to work.

Laszlo

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Re: [All] Intone bluetooth commands

2009-07-15 Thread Laszlo KREKACS

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote:
  I don't have one (bt a2dp headset) so can you list these buttons?

Can somebody point to the highest quality headset available on the market
designed for music listening?

Because I have a s*ny headset, but it is especially not suited for music
listening (maybe if I want to exercise the muscle in my ear, it is good for;)

Im asking because the audio plug on the freerunner is not good for
bass sounds, so Im looking something better.

Laszlo

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Re: [All] Intone bluetooth commands

2009-07-15 Thread Laszlo KREKACS

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Laszlo
KREKACSlaszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can somebody point to the highest quality headset available on the market
 designed for music listening?

Maybe I wasnt clear enough. Im looking for a *bluetooth* headset.

Laszlo

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Re: why openmoko is so slow? Is it a joke?

2009-07-15 Thread Nicola Mfb

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:24 AM, William Kenworthybi...@iinet.net.au wrote:
[...]
 BT as A2DP (music playback) works for me using a motorola S9 headset.
 Have not tried to get GSM working through it yet.  wifi works well,
 except I find it quite insensitive compared to most laptops in direct
 comparison (I use wpa-supplicant, not lame attempts like mofi etc.
 Perhaps my biggest beef is that the community is very much into NIH (not
 invented here) and tries to (poorly) produce applications instead of
 improving and using existing stuff.

M2c about WiFi follows:

* the driver autoups the interface when powered on, so udev scripts
does not configure it, you have to manually type ifup, this was
signaled and patch proposed everywhere and in the openembedded
development list too but was ignored

*  wpa_roam support is broken in OE based distro (should work fine on
debian, but I did not test it), so you may not differentiate
static/dynamic ip per network, and may have problem when changing wifi
cell

* 2.6.29 kernel has up/down issues

* 2.6.28 kernel has wow interrupts problem

* all kernels randomly crashes if you use wifi deeply

* peoples laughs when taking several minutes to launch terminal and vi
to connect to their home network

* GUI software does not take care of TLS/TTLS/PEAP/LEAP and so on

And most important, it seems there is absolutely no care from the
community about WiFi in general, for example the 2.6.29 kernel bug was
openened 3 months ago, I understand the kernel is mantained by
volounters, but they may be not involved in a problem that seems does
not affects anyone (same words I read about FSO and bt support).

Of course (according to the sentence fix it by yourself) on my
freerunner I'm able to use wifi patching manually the kernel, or
downgrading it, playing with udev scripts , editing
wpa_supplicant.conf, and for a couple of week I'm experimenting some
sort of dbus driven wpa_supplicant with success.

So it works for me (some random kernel ops), and works for you, but
saying WiFi works fine on freerunner may seems a joke IMHO.

Regards

 Nicola

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Re: best way for a Canadian to buy a FreeRunner?

2009-07-15 Thread arne anka

i don't know about the frequencies canadian newtorks use, but if they're  
same as in the us, you pretty much could buy either way.
compare prices and maybe delivery time and customs(?), koolu in canada  
might be interesting, if you want to try out android, iirc the sell  
freerunners with that preinstalled.

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Fwd: [SHR - Latest unstable] callrec

2009-07-15 Thread Tony Berth

Hi,

seems that people do not use that application and taht's the reason I didn't
get any reply?

Thanks

Tony

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does this application work?

I installed it from the repository, it does start, I press on the rec
button, initiate a call, creates a wv file but no sound in there!

Also, the screenshots I saw in the wiki do not correspond to what I have
installed! Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks

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[all] call for configurations

2009-07-15 Thread Davide Scaini

Ok guys!
we're talking everyday of a different issue that makes our fr not really
usable... but i'm sure that there is someone who as a fr decently working
and he/she can share with us his tips.
My idea is to open a thread where everyone posts his configuration with
working/not working sections. Maybe, finally, we can find a balance merging
all the diffs that works...

My2cents:

system: SHR-U shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090709
kernel:
2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin
(it'a a TRUE .28-rc4)
(with modules, i haven't figured out how to extract the tar on my fr, i
extract it on the sd then cp on /lib/ )
boot: qi


Performances:
wifi: I got wifi working for a long with that kernel, but now i cannot get
connected via wifi 'cause this error: run-parts:
/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant
exited with code 1
i have no idea how to handle it.
(on debian i had always a working wifi with no troubles... i should search
for the script i used...)

gprs: never tried

gps: works like a charm

calls: i have the very same of all with call volume, but i'll fix it copying
alsa states from shr-testing.

usb: get the connection reliably

software: minimo, tangogps, yaouh, orrery, mofi, leafpad (terminal) are the
most used.
shr-settings is _very_ useful, that' why i abandoned debian (even if debian
has tons of software...)

what i miss: a realiable wifi :( a finger friendly file manager.
(ps: I cannot download anymore bigG maps iwth the repos linked on wiki...
do you know why?)


As you can see my system is not really that working, what i really miss is
the wifi... i mainly use it as a pda.
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