new cofundus project - Manual/Guide for SHR

2009-07-17 Thread rakshat hooja
This is a project to create a user manual for the SHR distribution that runs
on the Freerunner communication device (and hopefully other devices soon)

The idea is to have a comprehensive manual for the SHR distribution for
newcomers/ users / tinkerers. It is expected to cover installation guide,
navigating the user interface, navigating and using the preloaded
applications, setting up networking, using wi-fi, bluetooth, usb, gps, GPRS,
voice state, accelerometers etc, set up tricks and dbus commands, installing
new applications and repositories, recommended repositories and applications
at the minimum.

Please see and support

http://www.cofundos.org/project.php?id=172


I would also request your feedback to improve this project.

Thanks

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread rakshat hooja
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Warren Baird
wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote:

 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.


You also asked for happy moments so when I palyed Duke Nukeem 3D with
accelerometers on the Freerunner almost 8 months ago  I was one happy
person. It was my favourite game on my 486 when I was in school!

Rakshat
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
 With my Freerunner, I am able to control a telescope
 5000 miles away, and analyse the data, while I sit in a
 pizza parlor.   It's the high resolution display and the
 X11 server that lets me do this.
Ken, this is ... this is only a word comes to my mind, beautiful.

there will be awesome to haves some pictures, screenshots, and if
posible a video of this,




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Re: new cofundus project - Manual/Guide for SHR

2009-07-17 Thread Petr Vanek
This is a project to create a user manual for the SHR distribution
that runs on the Freerunner communication device (and hopefully other
devices soon)

The idea is to have a comprehensive manual for the SHR distribution for
newcomers/ users / tinkerers. It is expected to cover installation
guide, navigating the user interface, navigating and using the
preloaded applications, setting up networking, using wi-fi, bluetooth,
usb, gps, GPRS, voice state, accelerometers etc, set up tricks and
dbus commands, installing new applications and repositories,
recommended repositories and applications at the minimum.

Please see and support

http://www.cofundos.org/project.php?id=172


I would also request your feedback to improve this project.


i am eagerly waiting to do this /no need for cofund/ but shr will change
a lot in the near future i suspect - shr installer instead of illume
config walk-through, opimd backends which means that storage will change
and also handling network devices is moving quite fast towards connman
(mokonnect) which will be different...

if possible, i would hold this on for the time being, otherwise the
manual will be soon very, very outdated...

Petr


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

I can add three special use cases from customers and friends:

a) one Freerunner is used as the on-board computer of a student-built  
racing car (Formula Student)


b) two Freerunners have been used in the German Historic Museum in  
Berlin for a SMS noteboard to attract and entertain visitors


c) one Freerunner was shot into space (really!) - I hope I get  
permission soon to post a link to photos


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Thomas B
rakshat hooja schrieb:
 You also asked for happy moments so when I palyed Duke Nukeem 3D with
 accelerometers on the Freerunner almost 8 months ago  I was one happy
 person. It was my favourite game on my 486 when I was in school!

I loved to be able to play Monkey Island and Day of the Tentacle on my 
Freerunner using ScummVM. Those were my favorite games of that time ;-)

Regards,
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Re: new cofundus project - Manual/Guide for SHR

2009-07-17 Thread rakshat hooja
 Please see and support
 
 http://www.cofundos.org/project.php?id=172
 
 
 I would also request your feedback to improve this project.


 i am eagerly waiting to do this /no need for cofund/ but shr will change
 a lot in the near future i suspect - shr installer instead of illume
 config walk-through, opimd backends which means that storage will change
 and also handling network devices is moving quite fast towards connman
 (mokonnect) which will be different...

 if possible, i would hold this on for the time being, otherwise the
 manual will be soon very, very outdated...

 Petr


Hi Petr,

I am aware of the changes happening in SHR. One of the reasons for starting
the manual now is that getting a structure in place and having all existing
information in one place is very tough, making changes to smaller sections
is easier. The way I look at it is we have the manual in a new manuals
section on the wiki and regularly take snapshots in PDF and open doc formats
that are up to date with the current release. Also this way we will have a
manual ready when SHR stable is released and not start writing a manual
then.


Rakshat
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Jose Luis Perez Diez
El Thursday, 16 de July de 2009 21:13:20 Warren Baird va escriure:
 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

I have converted the neo with om2009 on an usable development system using 
distcc and make from Angstrom repositories and the toolchain on the host.

I tested it building rakudo from scrtatch in less than 5 hours. 

is...@om-gta02:~/rakudo-2009-06$ time ./perl6 -e'hello 
movile.say' ;time ./perl6 --version
hello movile

real0m43.844s
user0m30.220s
sys 0m2.185s
This is Rakudo Perl 6.

Copyright 2006-2009, The Perl Foundation.


real0m39.924s
user0m27.445s
sys 0m2.205s

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Evgeniy Ginzburg
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller пишет:
 I can add three special use cases from customers and friends:
 
 a) one Freerunner is used as the on-board computer of a student-built 
 racing car (Formula Student)
 
 b) two Freerunners have been used in the German Historic Museum in 
 Berlin for a SMS noteboard to attract and entertain visitors
 
 c) one Freerunner was shot into space (really!) - I hope I get 
 permission soon to post a link to photos
Yes please, FR in space! You made my day Dr. N.
Photos! Photos! Photos!

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Re: using a FreeRunner without cellular service

2009-07-17 Thread Paul Fertser
Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be writes:
  2. It lacks flight mode.

Are you often getting complains because of that? Or why else do you
care?

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Re: new cofundus project - Manual/Guide for SHR

2009-07-17 Thread Petr Vanek
 i am eagerly waiting to do this /no need for cofund/ but shr will
 change a lot in the near future i suspect - shr installer instead of
 illume config walk-through, opimd backends which means that storage
 will change and also handling network devices is moving quite fast
 towards connman (mokonnect) which will be different...

 if possible, i would hold this on for the time being, otherwise the
 manual will be soon very, very outdated...

 Petr


Hi Petr,

I am aware of the changes happening in SHR. One of the reasons for
starting the manual now is that getting a structure in place and
having all existing information in one place is very tough, making
changes to smaller sections is easier. The way I look at it is we have
the manual in a new manuals section on the wiki and regularly take
snapshots in PDF and open doc formats that are up to date with the
current release. Also this way we will have a manual ready when SHR
stable is released and not start writing a manual then.


Rakshat



OK, lets follow up in the shr-user list.

Whoever is interested in this please join in.
http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-users

Petr


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Shashank Bharadwaj
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Warren
Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

Well I'm just falling in love with my freerunner. Me and some of my
friends made a small robot and controlled that wireless-ly using the
Freerunner. I used accelerometer for the navigation, so you turn the
FR like a driving wheel and the robot obeys you.

And all I had to do in the FR was a python program to read the
accelerometers and send appropriate data to a microcontroller over the
USB (which was connected to a wireless transmitter).

It was awesome fun! I'll see if I can post a video of it some where.

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 08:31 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
  With my Freerunner, I am able to control a telescope
  5000 miles away, and analyse the data, while I sit in a
  pizza parlor.   It's the high resolution display and the
  X11 server that lets me do this.
 Ken, this is ... this is only a word comes to my mind, beautiful.
 
 there will be awesome to haves some pictures, screenshots, and if
 posible a video of this,

Second that! We really need a gallery of cool applications! Since a
picture is worth a thousand words, if we'd like to show the world there
really is something to all this we don't need lists and lists of
applications, we need a gallery.

David

(currently astroparticle physics PhD student, looking for some time to
implement a nice cool app for monitoring our experiment on my N800 and
FR)


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Re: [OM2009] reliable alarm application

2009-07-17 Thread arne anka
 ... dozens of lines deleted ...
 the projects openmoko page has a working version

wow! a one liner as answer but quoting the full 50+ lines before ... did  
you ever try to read your own mails on a screen like the fr's or even a  
netbook?

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Re: [debian 2.6.28|29 xserver-xorg-video-glamo] wsod when xserver stops

2009-07-17 Thread arne anka
why did you send it to three lists at once?

 since i installed 'xserver-xorg-video-glamo' instead 'xserver-xglamo',  
 every 2nd (or so) time
 i try to shutdown/reboot i get a WSOD when x11 stops.
 has someone an idea what i should do?

i experience it, too. but i got the slight impression it is somehow  
related to nodm -- i started to see it, when nodm introduced that  
supervisor process (ie since there are _two_ instances of nodm running).

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Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-17 Thread David Fokkema
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 16:05 -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
 Don't give up.  If you look closely, you can see the light at the end of
 the tunnel.  It may be faint, but I have seen similar tunnels before,
 and I can see the light now.
 
 Warmest regards,

maddog, to me you've just been a name for a long time. `The one with the
beard, no not RMS, the other one'. Seems to be a trait of free software
visionaries, I guess, ;-)

Seeing how you're being a part of this community first-hand, reading
your long mails and trying to appreciate the time it must take you to do
all this, the energy you put forth to not only try to arrange things but
also explain to people who are sometimes skeptical, has been a
privilege.

Thank you,

David


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Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml

2009-07-17 Thread Davide Scaini
thanks risto!
navit sitll does not run... i have a guess: I have 99% of space used on /
maybe navit has not enough space to run (I'm sure it's installation went ok
because i got no errors). Now i'll try to put my shr on sd card (neotool,
then a bit of luck) then i'll try again to run navit. Thanks guys...
d

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:

 opkg install navit
 opkg install libgps17
 cd /usr/lib; ln -s libgps.so.17 libgps.so.16 #navit needs older version..

 if [ -d /home/root/.navit ]
 then
mkdir /home/root/.navit
 fi
 wget http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/navit2009.xml -O
 /home/root/.navit/navit.xml

 ##Workaround for #2284 -no autostart for speech-dispatcher
 update-rc.d -f speech-dispatcher remove


 see http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX (but don't rely too much on it :)

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Tom Yates
i know this isn't really impressive, but i use mine as a phone.  every 
day.  it's been my main phone since i got it last august, and while it's 
not been trouble-free, fully-updated OM2009t5 is perfectly usable for me.

however, my great moments have all come from having this device that can 
do lots of *other* things.  gprs+tango to make some emergency navigation 
decisions out in the cambridgeshire fens; various web browsers when i was 
out and about and desperately needed to check some random fact; using the 
thing as an ssh client, to access a remote server to run whois when i 
needed to check domain name availability there and then; impressing my 
11-year-old niece, who has high standards for device coolness, by running 
mokomaze - even though the phone doesn't come in pink or mirror-finish.

i wouldn't have carried devices around to do any of these things, but with 
the moko, i get them all thrown in for free.  and the sense of community 
at mokomeets has been pretty good fun, as well.


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Patrick Beck
Hi,

which software you are using for pdf viewing?

with kind regards

Patrick 

Am Donnerstag, den 16.07.2009, 15:13 -0400 schrieb Warren Baird:
   - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've
 been able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro
 or bus, when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.



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Re: PISI 0.3 released

2009-07-17 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/7/7 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz:
 On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 01:13:49 +1200
 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com (RP) wrote:

2009/6/24 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz:
 - calendar sync: Pimlico-Google: seems to sync nicely one way -
  pimlico to google but not the other way.

how did you get pisi to sync pimlico data - it's not in the options
for my install of 0.3?

 it was in my install:

 [pimlicodates]
 description= Pimlico Dates
 module=calendar_ics
 path=/home/root/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics

could someone help me with setting this up? i've got a new conf file,
with the necessary items in, so now pimlico dates appears in the
calendar list

my conf file contains this:
[googleCalendar]
description=My Google Calendar
module=calendar_google
user=robin.paul...@gmail.com
password=my password
calendarid=robin.paul...@gmail.com

[pimlicodates]
description= Pimlico Dates
module=calendar_ics
path=/home/root/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics

when i select the corresponding items in the pisi gui, and hit start,
it reports 'Configuring (0%)', but does nothing

i'm guessing i've stuffed up the config for gcalendar, but can't see where

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Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml

2009-07-17 Thread KaZeR

I would recommend copying navit.xml to /home/root/.navit, because a package
upgrade could overwrite it. And it's a good idea to diff your xml against
the shipped one for updates from time to time.

Also, opkg's memory leak (or whatever was making it to eat 100% cpu and
memory) has been fixed (at least in SHR-unstable) so now it's again easy to
use navit's daily builds from http://download.navit-project.org/navit/
(where the current revision is around 2395 i believe).

Davide : if navit says that no gui can be loaded, then either it cannot find
the .so files (can be because of a wrong NAVIT_LIBDIR variable) or that you
choosed a gui that isn't available (not built) from your navit.xml.

Recent packages of navit include a better config sample for the Neo
(internal, with better settings for icon_xs and co). I can share my
navit.xml if needed.
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Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml

2009-07-17 Thread Davide Scaini
@Kazer:
ok, so your advice is to download the latest navit instead of the one that
comes with shr-u?
thanks for your detailed reply ;-)
d

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:29 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:


 I would recommend copying navit.xml to /home/root/.navit, because a package
 upgrade could overwrite it. And it's a good idea to diff your xml against
 the shipped one for updates from time to time.

 Also, opkg's memory leak (or whatever was making it to eat 100% cpu and
 memory) has been fixed (at least in SHR-unstable) so now it's again easy to
 use navit's daily builds from http://download.navit-project.org/navit/
 (where the current revision is around 2395 i believe).

 Davide : if navit says that no gui can be loaded, then either it cannot
 find
 the .so files (can be because of a wrong NAVIT_LIBDIR variable) or that you
 choosed a gui that isn't available (not built) from your navit.xml.

 Recent packages of navit include a better config sample for the Neo
 (internal, with better settings for icon_xs and co). I can share my
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Re: [debian 2.6.28|29 xserver-xorg-video-glamo] wsod when xserver stops

2009-07-17 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/7/16 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com:
 since i installed 'xserver-xorg-video-glamo' instead 'xserver-
 xglamo', every 2nd (or so) time
 i try to shutdown/reboot i get a WSOD when x11 stops.
 has someone an idea what i should do?

 Wait for upgrade. It's already fixed AFAIK.

Indeed. I've run the latest GIT from
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=xf86-video-glamo.git;a=summary for over a
week now and haven't experienced the problem (nor the filling of
Xorg.0.log bug) anymore.

-Timo

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Gonna first answer this one small ogg bit.

2009/7/17 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com:
 That said, if anyone knows a way to make it not cut and skip when playing
 OGG with mplayer niced at -19, I'd love to hear it. It's not too bad right
 now, but there's usually at least one cut per minute. :(

My mplayer (on Debian) didn't skip when left alone when I was on a
trip, but it usually started to skip if I had frameworkd + wicd +
zhone + tangogps all running in the background. I mostly just needed
frameworkd and tangogps, though. The key to success is probably
compiling some program (eg. mplayer) with the integer-only tremor ogg
decoding support. I'm going to have a look at that soon now that I
noticed this severe enough multi-tasking problem with ogg playing.
Without it the CPU load is 60-70% which is pretty high for a 400MHz
ARM CPU.

But right. I think I mostly covered my anti-whining already in the
whining thread, even though this thread would have been a much better
place for it. In addition to the Cool Stuff, I'm also one of the
people who also use it as the only daily phone, and mostly since
August 2008. Of course buzz and echo fixes made GSM life much easier
settings wise.

I love RSA authentication to home 24h NAS box (running ARM port of
Debian as well, like the FreeRunner). Having instant messengers and
IRC there gives a possibility to check those from FreeRunner at will.

And I mentioned already in that other post that copying photos from
camera to Neo via USB host mode is a neat feature and then Neo can be
also used to back them further up to eg. the home server from anywhere
around the world (...with WLAN access points).

Om2009 as a dual-boot backup OS is useful sometimes as well, though
less so now that the occasional xf86-video-glamo WSOD problem on
shutdown got fixed (I then booted to Om2009 to run fsck on the SD
card...).

-Timo

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[SHR-U] Poor performance playing OGG (was: Anti-Whining...)

2009-07-17 Thread The Digital Pioneer
OK, so I figured I'd make a new thread for this, since I'm whining and
therefore this doesn't belong in Anti-Whining. :P

I have SHR-U and I still have the occasional cut/skip when listening to OGG.
I use mplayer with the integer-only tremor decoder, and CPU usage hovers
down around 30-50%. Yet it likes to cut randomly even when mplayer has a
nice of -19 and no other desktop apps (non-daemons) are running.

Any idea what could be causing this?

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Juergen Schinker

hi

i had min. 2 happy moments after the FR fell 2 times

off my bike at high speed and still works (except phone functionality).

TangoGPS is definitly a killer-Application

Juergen

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Helge Hafting
Warren Baird wrote:

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk 
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it 
 onto the wiki.
 

It is a nice gps device, with its high-resolution screen.
Good for OSM mapping, good for having a map display in the
car, powered from a generic USB car charger. Also a nice
gps to have on the bicycle.

When I want a larger map display, I use a laptop, and lets
the pc use the freerunner's gps via usb networking and the
gpsd protocol.

And it is a nice phone too, of course.



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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Warren Baird
There's some pretty cool stuff going on out there.

To try and get some of this off the mailing list and into the wiki, I've
created a 'Successful Use Cases' wiki page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Successful_Use_Cases

The idea is to gather together all the cool things people are doing with the
FR, and to give hints to others about how best to do things like read a pdf,
send an IM, or how to disable an alien mothership.

I hope anyone who is doing interesting things with their FR can add a quick
note there describing what they are doing.

Warren


On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Warren Baird
wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote:

 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.

 Here are a few of my own:

   - the GPS with tangogps has been really useful to me a number of times,
 especially on business trips
   - Pidgin over GPRS has come in quite handy several times, either when I
 didn't have my laptop with me, or didn't have wifi coverage
   - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've been
 able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro or bus,
 when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.
   - I was able to show off the client software from my 'day job' - a quite
 complex j2se application - running on a cell phone, which definitely
 impressed people.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

 Warren

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 7/16/09, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.

 Here are a few of my own:

   - the GPS with tangogps has been really useful to me a number of times,
 especially on business trips
   - Pidgin over GPRS has come in quite handy several times, either when I
 didn't have my laptop with me, or didn't have wifi coverage
   - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've been
 able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro or bus,
 when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.
   - I was able to show off the client software from my 'day job' - a quite
 complex j2se application - running on a cell phone, which definitely
 impressed people.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

 Warren

I'm programming on Freerunner. Waiting for testing, in train, in
school, even in bed. Everywhere I don't have access to my PC. The most
of SHR Settings, SHR Installer and opimd code was created on FR, using
just nano, vala-terminal, Illume keyboard and my fingernails ;)

Once I was using FR as calculator on math's exam. During test I wrote
small python app to count everything I needed ;)

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Jorge Chamorro
Warren Baird wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the 
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of 
 people then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well 
 for them.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?
With my family on vacation trips we camp in a small van
I wanted to make a bed in the van and set it for that use
but did not know whether the structure withstand our weight
with the specifications of the materials on hand I try to find out that
I needed to apply Newton's second law

Force =  mass X acceleration

but I did not know what was the acceleration in normal use
and should do a stress test to

So I put my phone under the mattress and call my wife

We gather information from accelerometers

I'm sorry but I can not share that data


sorry for my English , the fault lies with google


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Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml

2009-07-17 Thread Davide Scaini
tried all:
- installed shr on a big sd card
- installed navit first form opkg repos
- tried navit - no result
- modified navit.xml with internal gui - no result
- export NAVIT_LIBDIR=/usr/lib/ - no result
- installed latest navit - no result
get the very same error (???)
d


On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote:

 @Kazer:
 ok, so your advice is to download the latest navit instead of the one that
 comes with shr-u?
 thanks for your detailed reply ;-)
 d


 On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:29 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:


 I would recommend copying navit.xml to /home/root/.navit, because a
 package
 upgrade could overwrite it. And it's a good idea to diff your xml against
 the shipped one for updates from time to time.

 Also, opkg's memory leak (or whatever was making it to eat 100% cpu and
 memory) has been fixed (at least in SHR-unstable) so now it's again easy
 to
 use navit's daily builds from http://download.navit-project.org/navit/
 (where the current revision is around 2395 i believe).

 Davide : if navit says that no gui can be loaded, then either it cannot
 find
 the .so files (can be because of a wrong NAVIT_LIBDIR variable) or that
 you
 choosed a gui that isn't available (not built) from your navit.xml.

 Recent packages of navit include a better config sample for the Neo
 (internal, with better settings for icon_xs and co). I can share my
 navit.xml if needed.
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Mickael Labrousse
When I was in school I've heard of Neo1973 and I used to dream of it
already :d

Next my first love with the FR : when I was hired to work on it and make
specific product (OpenGuide for french people http://www.openguide.fr )

I also have a lot of good times, examples are :
- running debian
- playing movies on a very good screen
- debugging with the debug board
- using my FR as a linux computer with an usb keyboard, WiFi and a
terminal :)
- showing the FR for commercial purpose
 
And also be part of a very nice community :)


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Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml

2009-07-17 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 7/17/09, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote:
 tried all:
 - installed shr on a big sd card
 - installed navit first form opkg repos
 - tried navit - no result
 - modified navit.xml with internal gui - no result
 - export NAVIT_LIBDIR=/usr/lib/ - no result
 - installed latest navit - no result
 get the very same error (???)
 d


 On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote:

 @Kazer:
 ok, so your advice is to download the latest navit instead of the one that
 comes with shr-u?
 thanks for your detailed reply ;-)
 d


 On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:29 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:


 I would recommend copying navit.xml to /home/root/.navit, because a
 package
 upgrade could overwrite it. And it's a good idea to diff your xml against
 the shipped one for updates from time to time.

 Also, opkg's memory leak (or whatever was making it to eat 100% cpu and
 memory) has been fixed (at least in SHR-unstable) so now it's again easy
 to
 use navit's daily builds from http://download.navit-project.org/navit/
 (where the current revision is around 2395 i believe).

 Davide : if navit says that no gui can be loaded, then either it cannot
 find
 the .so files (can be because of a wrong NAVIT_LIBDIR variable) or that
 you
 choosed a gui that isn't available (not built) from your navit.xml.

 Recent packages of navit include a better config sample for the Neo
 (internal, with better settings for icon_xs and co). I can share my
 navit.xml if needed.
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Did you install navit-dev? ... It provides symlinks which navit tries
to use. You can also tweak config, but that's little more difficult.

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Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml

2009-07-17 Thread Petr Vanek
tried all:
- installed shr on a big sd card
- installed navit first form opkg repos
- tried navit - no result
- modified navit.xml with internal gui - no result
- export NAVIT_LIBDIR=/usr/lib/ - no result
- installed latest navit - no result
get the very same error (???)

what is your error? run navit from terminal

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread pike
Hi

just an hour ago, I had to leave the building
while a webserver that I was working on had a
load of 20% and rising. While walking to the
train, I enabled GPRS, started a terminal and
logged back in.

  .. and the load went down.

Well, it wasn't the FR bringing the load
down. But I could sit in the train in peace.

$2c,
*-pike

PS. GPRS died, never to return, once I forgot
to tap the screen for 5 seconds. Had to reboot.
Still dont know how to turn sleep off in om2009.
But for once, it was all forgiven.



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gsm restart

2009-07-17 Thread Petr Vanek
as calypso sometimes crashes under heavy load is there a way to restart
it on the fly? power off; power on?

echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
 
?

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
But I could sit in the train in peace.

And while on that train, did you see the light at the end of the tunnel?

md


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good bye google code

2009-07-17 Thread mqy

Dear all:

I feel very bad. 
It took me hours to submit 2 files to google code. This is the second bad
day since omgps was registered to google code two months ago. Google search
and gmail sucks too, at least from Beijing.

I just registered omgps to projects.openmoko.org. Can't use sourceforge.net
because it connects to google analytics.

Would you please avoid registering your new projects to google code?

thanks,
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Re: gsm restart

2009-07-17 Thread Paul Fertser
Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz writes:
 as calypso sometimes crashes under heavy load is there a way to restart
 it on the fly? power off; power on?

 echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
 echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on

Try to kill the muxer (fso-abyss or gsm0710muxd), frameworkd should
detect that and restart (which will lead to modem restart)
automatically.

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Re: good bye google code

2009-07-17 Thread arne anka
 Would you please avoid registering your new projects to google code?

+1
you can't do the smalles things w/o having a google account -- not even  
contact authors of google code projects, let alone reporting bugs.



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Re: good bye google code

2009-07-17 Thread mqy

 you can't do the smalles things w/o having a google account -- not even  
 contact authors of google code projects, let alone reporting bugs.

I like google search, but google lives a bad life in my country.
I dislike the feature of google code: it increases SVN revision number
whenever you edit a wiki page!

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Re: good bye google code

2009-07-17 Thread jeremy jozwik
search function is very bad as well. the only way to get to the intone
page is to search google for c_c

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Re: good bye google code

2009-07-17 Thread tb
you might check out github
which really rocks and is free for opensource projects

2009/7/17 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com

 search function is very bad as well. the only way to get to the intone
 page is to search google for c_c

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[debian/fso] openmoko-panel-plugin should be more patient?

2009-07-17 Thread arne anka
hi,
just upgraded to fso 5.5 and opp seemed to work as usual.
in a second step i installed fsousaged and disabled ousaged.

after that opp wasn't able to start up properly at boot (confusing lxpanel  
heavily).
killing opp and starting it manually after i registered to my provider  
went through w/o hassle.

seeing that fsousaged comes up considerably later than frameworkd, i  
guess, opp is too fast -- it should probably have more patience and at  
least start with all icons in a disabled state, enabling them when  
fsousaged becomes available.

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 7/17/09, tb bumbl...@gmail.com wrote:
 what a liberal school which allows a phone during an exam
 using phones is prohibited even during normal classes here

That's really small class, we can use phones as calculators on some
lessions. And writing python script wasn't cheating, as I needed to
know theory perfectly to write it :)

About liberal schools: that's good example. We are cheating using
phones (photos of book pages or something like that), but only when
hiding phone from teacher eye on lessions, where using phones is not
allowed. When everyone can use phone legally (as calculator for
instance) and everything is easier (due to internet access, smses
etc.), then noone is cheating :D I think every good teacher should
know, that restrictions isn't way to go. But most of them are just
lazy, as making restrictions is easier than having good contact with
students.

But i think that's a little off-topic ;)

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Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development

2009-07-17 Thread Dave Ball
Hi Maddog,

 it certainly sounds like an amazing opportunity, almost too good to be true 
 - what's the catch!  :-)
 
 I hope that you will find there is no catch.  If you do think there is
 a catch, please tell me.
   

Thanks again for bringing this to us, and the detailed responses.  I 
think this is a very positive opportunity, and I hope we are on track to 
the university being in a position to help out with our little projects.

I think Werner is trying to catch up with Dr Zuffo - which in my mind 
would be a very good thing to happen as Werner is definitely the point 
man for the gta02-core effort.

 I certainly see the university as sponsors of the project, in the fact
 that it does cost money to run such an SMT line, to do some of the legal
 work, etc.  I would like to find a way to help compensate them for this
 work, to make the project truly self-sustaining.  Dr. Zuffo and I have
 discussed government grants and other funding ideas.  Please see below.
   

snip

 In order to fund the Openmoko project, I would like to suggest that
 *all* the things that Openmoko made open *up to this time*:

 o circuit design
 o case design
 o circuit board layout
 o testing issues.
 o plans for future, etc.

 be completely open and published as before.

 But (for example) the gerbers be licensed with a small royalty (1-2
 dollars per phone, with a cap of 500,000 to 1,000,000 USD) only if the
 party will make *over* 5,000-10,000 phones

There are obviously some significant costs associated with developing 
hardware that while HW development took place inside openmoko, were met 
by Sean etal.  You rightly point out that if we're to be successful 
we'll need to find ways to meet those costs.

I'd very much like to hear others thoughts on the matter, but from my 
point of view (and this may be wishful thinking), if there are 
opportunities to fund this work through grants or corporate donations, I 
think this would be preferable to licensing the end results (i.e. the 
gerbers) for production.

In my mind, licensing the gerbers for production introduces restrictions 
on the uses that a recipient may put those designs too - including their 
ability to modify  redistribute those files.  My preference would be to 
encourage that redistribution, through Share-Alike / GPL style licensing 
of all assets.  If a manufacturer wants to adopt the design to a new 
case, add extra buttons, changes components or invests additional 
resources in increasing production yields, the rational for sharing that 
investment with other licenses is less concrete.

Some potential sources for funding might be:
 - phone fabs that would otherwise need to spend significantly more 
money either developing their own designs or buying someone else's design
 - government grants to seed phone production industries, or promote 
telephony freedom
 - universities or other research organisations that can use our devices 
as a platform for learning or their own development.

If gerber licensing is believed to be the only realistic way to generate 
the investment needed for prototype runs etc., I think there would be 
benefit in any such ownership and licensing being conducted through a 
legal vehicle independent of any one individual or organisation (I don't 
know if LSITEC fits this description or not).  Doing so would encourage 
the involvement of multiple organisations, universities or individuals, 
and would allow the team to select the most economic or timely method 
for purchasing or prototype production - through one of our partners or 
external commercial parties if they're able to deliver more effectively.


I don't want my comments to be taken negatively, I think LSI-USP has 
fantastic potential for helping these projects, ensuring the longterm 
viability of our dream and filling in some of the gaps that are apparent 
in our efforts to-date.  I think you're spot on that universities could 
be excellent partners with many shared objectives in what we're trying 
to achieve.

Can we do this without resorting to paid licensing of any of our assets?

I see a scenario where we, with USP, are in a position to generate 
designs that they could take into small scale production (similar to 
OM), selling those handsets to the community at small scale profits, 
using the process for the benefit of their students and generating a 
platform for them to grow in the future - while maintaining the SA style 
licensing.  If it's achievable, this seems the ideal outcome to me.

/$0.02

All the best,
Dave


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Re: [OM2009] reliable alarm application

2009-07-17 Thread roby
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote:

 ffalarms are compiled for shr i would guess... look through the
 archives, what i do is i just create symlinks for the correct e-lib
 names in /usr/lib


ok, i made the symlinks and it seems to work great! thanks for the help

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread levy.santanna
I use my freerunner to control my media center in my home and another in my
car, all running Linux.
I lost the number of times that wifi or even gprs saved me with a ssh
conection to my servers.

regards,
Levy
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Re: using a FreeRunner without cellular service

2009-07-17 Thread Brolin Empey
2009/7/17 Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com

 Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be writes:
   2. It lacks flight mode.

 Are you often getting complains because of that? Or why else do you
 care?


I thought I could use flight mode to disable the GSM modem to improve the
battery runtime when I do not need cellular service but still want to use
the non-phone features, such as the Organiser, but then I discovered my
phone lacks flight mode.  This might not be significant if I could use my
phone without a SIM installed, but I cannot do that either.

Anyway, it does not really matter because the battery runtime is already
good enough even with the GSM modem on all the time during which the phone
is on.  I receive so few calls that I often forget I have my phone with me,
such as during meetings when I should turn off my phone.
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