Re: Debug board for non-neo devices

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Fertser
Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com writes:
 Wow, I didn't know that, I haven't seen it on wiki but will keep
 researching. Thanks for the info, you may have just saved my precious
 student $s.

I don't think it's mentioned anywhere. Probably it even shouldn't be
so those who don't understand it themselves don't try and brick their
devices.

The information is obvious from looking at NOR reflashing instructions
[1] and FR schematics [2].

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_NOR
[2] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-29 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
2009/7/26 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:13:20PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.

 This Saturday, at the DebConf'09 in Cáceres, I met the nice folks of
 TuxBrain (hi David, et all) who buzz fixed my Freerunner.

 Aftera little while, I wanted to buy the extremely slim protection slip
 but they had no change, so I was sad.

 I connected to the wifi network, fired up midori in my recent SHR
 installation, went to the TuxBrain web shop and bought the slip without
 transportation costs, as it was being given right then... I was happy :)

 I also tried to charge up some cash on a SIM card account from my
 homebanking, but my bank doesn't like midori for at some point the
 transaction would silently fail. Made me sad... at my bank.

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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
I like Version 7c

2009/7/28 Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl:
 Dnia 2009-07-27, pon o godzinie 14:14 -0400, Warren Baird pisze:
 looks great - I took the liberty of adding the version #'s into the
 output created by the template, so you can see the version #'s on the
 draft community page.
 Thanks, i intended to do it yesterday... but ended up playing
 Battlefield2 - needed some relax ;)

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Re: Debug board for non-neo devices

2009-07-29 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
2009/7/29 Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com:
 Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com writes:
 Wow, I didn't know that, I haven't seen it on wiki but will keep
 researching. Thanks for the info, you may have just saved my precious
 student $s.

 I don't think it's mentioned anywhere. Probably it even shouldn't be
 so those who don't understand it themselves don't try and brick their
 devices.

 The information is obvious from looking at NOR reflashing instructions
 [1] and FR schematics [2].

 [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_NOR
The link to the NOR images
http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/images/20080321_gta02_rc1/
on the wiki page don't work any one has a downloable NOR image ready to flash?

 [2] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/
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Re: Debug board for non-neo devices

2009-07-29 Thread Atilla Filiz
So according to schematics, there is NOR WP pin at H-TP4711. The component
placement sheet shows it as T-HP7711, as there are no 4711s(hardware
revision?). What I need is to short this pin to the ground while my Neo is
running, and run the flash script. Is that correct? Seems easy enough.

Happy hacking
Atilla

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 2009/7/29 Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com:
  Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com writes:
  Wow, I didn't know that, I haven't seen it on wiki but will keep
  researching. Thanks for the info, you may have just saved my precious
  student $s.
 
  I don't think it's mentioned anywhere. Probably it even shouldn't be
  so those who don't understand it themselves don't try and brick their
  devices.
 
  The information is obvious from looking at NOR reflashing instructions
  [1] and FR schematics [2].
 
  [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_NOR
 The link to the NOR images
 http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/images/20080321_gta02_rc1/
 on the wiki page don't work any one has a downloable NOR image ready to
 flash?

  [2] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/
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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-29 Thread arne anka
did you add the rules to
/etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml
?
they actually do the loading of the gsmbluetooth.state file -- and  
theoretically should do the unloading resp loading of gsmhandset.state,  
when no bt headset is connected.

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Re: Debug board for non-neo devices

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Fertser
Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com writes:
 So according to schematics, there is NOR WP pin at H-TP4711. The
 component placement sheet shows it as T-HP7711, as there are no
 4711s(hardware revision?).

I see H-TP7711 under the LCM and it's entirely different TP. You need
H-TP4711, located right under the debug board connector. 

 What I need is to short this pin to the ground while my Neo is
 running, and run the flash script. Is that correct? Seems easy
 enough.

Looks right to me. Probably it'd be safer to short it while FR is
turned off. But beware, it is on your own risk.

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Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-29 Thread Stroller

On 28 Jul 2009, at 11:35, Patryk Benderz wrote:
 ...
 Hi, did you considered legal side of this work? I mean, do GSM  
 operators
 in all countries allow us to collect these data?

The data is publicly observable, so I don't see how they can claim any  
copyright upon it.

If you're drawing a map  you mark a hill upon it, the farmer who owns  
the hill surely cannot take action against you. (Assume you do not set  
foot upon the property, but estimate location  height of the peak by  
observation  triangulation from other nearby points of known height   
public accessibility).

I don't see that it could be covered by a user agreement, because cell  
towers advertise their presence to users of other networks.

What legal issues do YOU foresee, in which jurisdictions?

Stroller.

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Re: [???] Which system is this?

2009-07-29 Thread Rafael Campos
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Bernd Prünster
bernd.pruens...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak schrieb:
  On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:31, Bernd Prünsterbernd.pruens...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  saw these screenies on scap:
  http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b41df60899616887078dc018612ba0e7.png
 
  looks like efl based, seems to be shr (?)
 
 
  It's Qt4 based. Even looks like Qt :P
 
 
 well i guess i guess i was VERY wrong.
 although an elementary button looks exactly the same when you remove the
 bottom layer...
  ...
 
 
  Just read thread about LitePhone. Or if you're lazy:
  Qalee - http://www.openmoko.openmatica.es/QALEE/
 
 

It's Qalee, a debian/Qt distro really interesting and fast. I've the
opportunity to test at one of the Buzz-Fix Parties in Spain. The uathor is
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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Andrew Stephen
2009/7/28 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca:
 looks great - I took the liberty of adding the version #'s into the output
 created by the template, so you can see the version #'s on the draft
 community page.

 My preference is '8a'

I vote for 8a also.

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Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-29 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Strollerstrol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:

 On 28 Jul 2009, at 11:35, Patryk Benderz wrote:
 ...
 Hi, did you considered legal side of this work? I mean, do GSM
 operators
 in all countries allow us to collect these data?

 The data is publicly observable, so I don't see how they can claim any
 copyright upon it.
The legality of cellid collecting projects has been discussed before
here (and probably also in other communities)

Harald Welte mentioned the potential for legal issues in austria:
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:39:31 +0200
Subject: Re: locating via GSM, revisited (legal sidenote)
Just as a general note added to the discussion:

As far as I remember, there has been a highest federal court ruling in
Austria some time ago, stating that the location information though
present for anyone to read in the intrinsics of the GSM signal, cannot
be used without explicit permission by the network operator.

The point they made was that the subscription contract between the
operator and the customer covers things like voice calls, data calls,
GPRS data, etc - but it does not permit the use of GSM signals for
locating the handset on the customer side.

I don't say I like this, and I also don't say OM should not investigate
thsi further.  I'm just stating that there are legal issues and somebody
inside FIC legal should probably do an extensive survey of the legal
situation all over the target market to make sure OM doesn't get into
trouble here.
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002507.html)

But the technology has moved on since april last year and possibly
even google is collecting and submitting back more GSM + GPS data in
this way through it's java google maps clients.

 I don't see that it could be covered by a user agreement, because cell
 towers advertise their presence to users of other networks.

This interests me more! Can we do this with the Calypso GSM module? I
only have sim cards for valid for registration on 1 network but there
are 3 networks available. I'm happy to not be registered to any
network/not have functioning GSM while collecting data about cellids.
Is it already showing up the reports you get in the FSO interface?

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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
Hmm, i have noticed that some of you guys voted, while we still worked
on templates layout. Many has changed and few additional has appeared,
thus if anybody wishes to change their votes, do not hesitate to do so.
Preferably under this post-will be easier for me to count.

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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-07-29 Thread KaZeR

Hello list.

I've tested litephone, and i like the concept behind it. Switching from
contacts to messages to phone logs is done in a breath. I also like the
possibility to change the volume during call, even if it's not done in the
cleaner way : at least, it works. Scrolling is a bit awkward at the
beginning but with the shortcuts on the right side you can find a contact in
a 120+ list quite fast.

Only issue i noticed so far : keypad doesn't work in calls : i called my
voice mail and was unable to navigate in its menu.

Also, deleting sms can be done using
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage(int(message)) : it could be useful
:)

Otherwise, very promising app. Please convert http://pvtrace.com/litephone/
into a repository so that i can keep it up to date easily.
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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Denis Galvão
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 Hmm, i have noticed that some of you guys voted, while we still worked
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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-29 Thread c_c

Hi,

arne anka wrote:
 
 did you add the rules to
 /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml?
 
  Yup. Did that. But had not uncommented the SCORouting = PCM line in
/etc/bluetooth/audio.conf. Once that was done a reboot, followed by mdbus -s
org.bluez /org/bluez/`pidof bluetoothd`/hci0/dev_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx
org.bluez.Headset.Connect and the headset is up. 
Thanks - finally I can use it!

 A few suspends later - I need to org.bluez.Headset.Connect, but the pid has
changed. So some manual intervention is still required sometimes - or am I
still doing something wrong?

  Also, my ringtone only plays in the phone. org.bluez.Headset.IndicateCall
- plays the headset tone. Is it planned for inclusion in FSO?

  Thanks Again!
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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
7c (again, I had voted on previous post)

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[QtMoko] Freerunner making a squealing noise

2009-07-29 Thread Ian Munsie
Hey all,

Has anyone else ever experienced a loud squealing or shrieking noise
on their Freerunner that begins some amount seconds (varies) after
starting or receiving a phone call? The noise rapidly gets louder once
it starts and within about a second is much louder than the voice.
Both parties can hear the noise and it makes communication very
difficult. I first noticed it on the 18th which was a few days after I
updated from QTEI to QTMoko (FSO variant 20090707). This Freerunner
has not been buzz fixed, but this is not a buzzing issue. The noise
sounds like no kind of RF interference or feedback that I have ever
heard - the pitch is not fixed and the closest thing I can think of to
compare it to is the wind whistling through some trees, but much
louder and quite a bit harsher.

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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-29 Thread arne anka
 mdbus -s
 org.bluez /org/bluez/`pidof bluetoothd`/hci0/dev_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx
 org.bluez.Headset.Connect and the headset is up.
 Thanks - finally I can use it!

  A few suspends later - I need to org.bluez.Headset.Connect, but the pid  
 has
 changed.

that's why you use
pidof bluetoothd
in your dbus call above.

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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Fertser
c_c cchan...@yahoo.com writes:
 did you add the rules to
 /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml?
 
   Yup. Did that. But had not uncommented the SCORouting = PCM line in
 /etc/bluetooth/audio.conf. Once that was done a reboot, followed by mdbus -s
 org.bluez /org/bluez/`pidof bluetoothd`/hci0/dev_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx
 org.bluez.Headset.Connect and the headset is up. 
 Thanks - finally I can use it!

  A few suspends later - I need to org.bluez.Headset.Connect, but the pid has
 changed. So some manual intervention is still required sometimes - or am I
 still doing something wrong?

No, FSO should do reconnect after resume on its own. Not implemented
yet but i think there's already a trac ticket about that. And even if
you do it behind FSO back you can automate it, as pid of bluetoothd is
easily obtainable ;)

   Also, my ringtone only plays in the phone. org.bluez.Headset.IndicateCall
 - plays the headset tone. Is it planned for inclusion in FSO?

Please file a wishlist ticket on FSO trac for that.

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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-07-29 Thread KaZeR

Ah, i had a crash when updating a contact :)

INFO: Updating contact
INFO: New dbus call: org.freesmartphone.opimd
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Contacts org.freesmartphone.PIM.Contacts Query;
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without
pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
FATAL: DBus error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.sre_constants.error Traceback
(most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/service.py, line 702, in
_message_cb
retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
  File
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py,
line 874, in Query
return self.query_manager.process_query(query, sender)
  File
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py,
line 630, in process_query
query_handler = SingleQueryHandler(query, self._contacts, dbus_sender)
  File
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py,
line 437, in __init__
self.entries = matcher.match(self._contacts)
  File
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py,
line 75, in match
match = contact.match_query(self.query_obj)
  File
/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py,
line 370, in match_query
matcher = re.compile(field_value)
  File /usr/lib/python2.6/re.py, line 190, in compile
return _compile(pattern, flags)
  File /usr/lib/python2.6/re.py, line 245, in _compile
raise error, v # invalid expression
error: nothing to repeat


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Re: [QtMoko] Freerunner making a squealing noise

2009-07-29 Thread rakshat hooja
 The noise
 sounds like no kind of RF interference or feedback that I have ever
 heard - the pitch is not fixed and the closest thing I can think of to
 compare it to is the wind whistling through some trees, but much
 louder and quite a bit harsher.



I get a similar sound when using the Freerunner near an external mic or
speaker system.

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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-07-29 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 14:14, KaZeRka...@altern.org wrote:
 Also, deleting sms can be done using
 org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage(int(message)) : it could be useful
 :)

Nooo, no GSM.SIM! That's evil :P I've implemented deleting messages
from SIM in opimd few days ago. With upgrade it should automatically
work in litephone.

About that traceback: I already told author, that everything he
queries in opimd must be correct regular expression. Looks like he
didn't listen to me :D

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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-29 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Glad to hear you got it working, c_c. :)

In the mean time, I've had to disable bluetooth entirely since it's just not
ready to use yet. If I suspend the phone, then it disconnects from the
headset, and I can't answer calls until I run the dbus command, which isn't
realistic to do while the phone is ringing. Also, I need a way to
enable/disable bluetooth without editing configs and restarting frameworkd
and ophonekitd, as doing so takes several minutes. They aren't big
complaints, but for me they are dealbreakers. I kept missing calls because
my phone had decided to disconnect from the headset, and in that scenario, I
would like to call back within seconds, not minutes.
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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Dave Ball
Andrew Stephen wrote:
 2009/7/28 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca:
   
 looks great - I took the liberty of adding the version #'s into the output
 created by the template, so you can see the version #'s on the draft
 community page.

 My preference is '8a'
 

 I vote for 8a also.

   
8a was the one I liked.

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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-07-29 Thread KaZeR



Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
 
 Nooo, no GSM.SIM! That's evil :P I've implemented deleting messages
 from SIM in opimd few days ago. With upgrade it should automatically
 work in litephone.
 
Ah, apologies, then. Would you mind to enlight me about the right way of
doing it then? Is it documented somewher? I undestand that you can't spend
your time writing doc, but.. sometimes.. it's useful ;)
I have a very old (but useful) script to read, answer and delete sms from a
shell, it might need to be enhanced then (i'm still currently storing my
smses only on SIM because i do not know how to do otherwise, so i'm still
limited to 50 messages when i would like to be able to read them in a
discussion-like view).


Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
 
 About that traceback: I already told author, that everything he
 queries in opimd must be correct regular expression. Looks like he
 didn't listen to me :D
 
Maybe my package isn't up to date :)

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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-07-29 Thread KaZeR



Helge Hafting wrote:
 
 
 I installed on shr-unstable, killed ophonekitd, ran the registration 
 script and started litephone like this:
 
 $ litephone style_sheet.conf
 
 

I believe that the style_sheet part isn't needed anymore, and instead you
can use other parameters (like demo, etc).
I simply ran litephone, in my case and it worked.
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-07-29 Thread Christophe M
Hi guys,I'm preparing an image based on shr witch works with Qalee, just
wait some few days :)
I plan to integrate it in Qalee in the future ...


2009/7/29 KaZeR ka...@altern.org




 Helge Hafting wrote:
 
 
  I installed on shr-unstable, killed ophonekitd, ran the registration
  script and started litephone like this:
 
  $ litephone style_sheet.conf
 
 

 I believe that the style_sheet part isn't needed anymore, and instead you
 can use other parameters (like demo, etc).
 I simply ran litephone, in my case and it worked.
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[debian] right click with xserver-xorg-video-glamo

2009-07-29 Thread Fox Mulder
Hi,

yesterday i changed from the deprecated xserver-xglamo to the new
xserver-xorg-video-glamo package and it works better than i expected. :)
But now i got the problem that i have no right click again.

I read that the long-tap patch from Sebastian Ohl now is implemented in
the debian xserver-xorg-input-tslib version. So i tried the settings
meantioned at [1] which should work with the fbdev driver.
But i have the problem that with the Entry Device i only can move the
cursor but no click is recognized (short, long, double). When i use
TslibDevice i can do a short and double click but still no long tap
for right click.
Is the right click solution based on tslib supposed to work with
xserver-xorg-video-glamo or if not is there another solution?

Here [2] is my current xorg.conf entry for the touchscreen.

I also tried the libgtkstylus variant but this seems to have no effect
at all.

Ciao,
 Rainer


[1]
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Simulating_right_click_with_stylus

[2]
Section InputDevice
Identifier  Configured Touchscreen
Driver  tslib
Option  CorePointer   true
Option  SendCoreEventstrue
Option  TslibDevice   /dev/input/event1
#   Option  Device/dev/input/event1
Option  Protocol  Auto
Option  Width 480
Option  Height640
Option  EmulateRightButton1
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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-07-29 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 15:19, KaZeRka...@altern.org wrote:



 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:

 Nooo, no GSM.SIM! That's evil :P I've implemented deleting messages
 from SIM in opimd few days ago. With upgrade it should automatically
 work in litephone.

 Ah, apologies, then. Would you mind to enlight me about the right way of
 doing it then? Is it documented somewher? I undestand that you can't spend
 your time writing doc, but.. sometimes.. it's useful ;)
 I have a very old (but useful) script to read, answer and delete sms from a
 shell, it might need to be enhanced then (i'm still currently storing my
 smses only on SIM because i do not know how to do otherwise, so i'm still
 limited to 50 messages when i would like to be able to read them in a
 discussion-like view).

http://docs.freesmartphone.org/

And when you are using Litephone (or any other opimd based gui - don't
do that on ogsmd only gui!), then just set SQLite-Messages as default
backend in Messages domain. You can do that from SHR Settings.

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Re: [???] Which system is this?

2009-07-29 Thread Dan Staley
Wow, I will admit I'm excited to try this out.  I love programming in
QT...and the UI design here looks great.
This + litephone would make a very nice distro I believe

I'll throw it on my uSD card and give it a try when I get home.

Does anyone know, is Qallee based on debian?  or the openmoko kernels?

-Dan Staley

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Rafael Campos meth...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak schrieb:
  On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:31, Bernd Prünsterbernd.pruens...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  saw these screenies on scap:
  http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b41df60899616887078dc018612ba0e7.png
 
  looks like efl based, seems to be shr (?)
 
 
  It's Qt4 based. Even looks like Qt :P
 
 
 well i guess i guess i was VERY wrong.
 although an elementary button looks exactly the same when you remove the
 bottom layer...
  ...
 
 
  Just read thread about LitePhone. Or if you're lazy:
  Qalee - http://www.openmoko.openmatica.es/QALEE/
 
 

 It's Qalee, a debian/Qt distro really interesting and fast. I've the
 opportunity to test at one of the Buzz-Fix Parties in Spain. The uathor is
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Re: [QtMoko] Freerunner making a squealing noise

2009-07-29 Thread Warren Baird
I had this problem with QtEI - I think the issue was related to the speaker
phone mode being turned on incorrectly and generating some kind of feedback.

Since I didn't use the speakerphone mode, My solution was to just copy the
alsa state file for handset use overtop of the speakerphone alsa file.

Good luck,

Warren


On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Ian Munsie darkstarsw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all,

 Has anyone else ever experienced a loud squealing or shrieking noise
 on their Freerunner that begins some amount seconds (varies) after
 starting or receiving a phone call? The noise rapidly gets louder once
 it starts and within about a second is much louder than the voice.
 Both parties can hear the noise and it makes communication very
 difficult. I first noticed it on the 18th which was a few days after I
 updated from QTEI to QTMoko (FSO variant 20090707). This Freerunner
 has not been buzz fixed, but this is not a buzzing issue. The noise
 sounds like no kind of RF interference or feedback that I have ever
 heard - the pitch is not fixed and the closest thing I can think of to
 compare it to is the wind whistling through some trees, but much
 louder and quite a bit harsher.

 -I

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Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-29 Thread Ben Wong
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Brolin Empeybro...@brolin.be wrote:
 2009/7/27 Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net

 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Brolin Empeybro...@brolin.be wrote:

  I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I
  frequently
  forget to do so.

 That could be interpreted as meaning I frequently forget to go to bed too.

Heh.  I actually *do* have an alarm that goes off every night to
remind me to go to bed.  I got the idea from an old Superman Bizarro
World comic.


 No, the phones I have do not wake me.

 A phone that literally rings (i.e., has a real bell instead of an electronic
 tone) may wake me, though. :)

I suggest this rotary ring, which I use as my default ring tone:

  http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=15826



 I'd use a cron job that calls shutdown, but that first checks if your
 phone is off the hook (well, I guess we already know the Freerunner is
 off the hook).  I'd probably also check if there had been any recent
 screen input.

 In this case you literally meant off the hook, but at first I thought you
 meant “no longer responsible for”. :)

Yeah, language is funny.  For some reason the slang in my part of the
US (I don't know about elsewhere) has evolved so that off the hook
now means fantastic!  Perhaps a confusion with off the charts?


 To save the battery in case you forgot to plug it in?

 Yes, this is what I was thinking of.  I am afraid to leave battery-powered
 devices plugged in (line-powered) all the time, though, because doing so
 seems to kill laptop batteries.

That's a good question, whether constant charging shortens the
lifespan of a Li battery, which I'm sure someone more knowledgeable on
this list will answer.  From personal experience, I believe that to be
true, but my feeling is that I'll just keep it charging and replace
the batteries once in a while.  They're not as expensive as laptop
batteries.  Also, I've heard that lithium batteries have a limited
lifespan even when they're not being used.


  A cron job
 would work to shut it down, but you could add a couple lines in the
 script to skip it if the battery is already charging.

  Or if I am using the phone. ;)

It should inject audio into the conversation.  Pardon me for
interrupting, this is your Freerunner talking. I just wanted to let
you know that it is now past your bedtime.  ;-)

--Ben

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Constant charging of LiIon battery (was: Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?)

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Fertser
Ben Wong lists.openmoko@wongs.net writes:
 Yes, this is what I was thinking of. I am afraid to leave battery-powered
 devices plugged in (line-powered) all the time, though, because doing so
 seems to kill laptop batteries.

 That's a good question, whether constant charging shortens the
 lifespan of a Li battery, which I'm sure someone more knowledgeable on
 this list will answer.  From personal experience, I believe that to be
 true.

Same for me, i believe my laptop battery was killed by constant
charging. Other reports and advices found on the internet suggest that
to be the likely case.

For FR, however, there shouldn't be much concern as it cuts off
charging the battery as soon as it's full and then reenables the
charging at approx 75-80%. Ensure you use a recent Qi (at least 2 Jun
2009) because if you don't the PMU might not detect battery full
condition properly due to GSM modem drawing power directly from the
battery terminals.

I'm currently working on patches to finally bring sanity to the
charging/discharging batteries on FR, including dumb batteries (yes,
you can use your favourite dirt-cheap BL-5C now and you'll even see
how much charge is left there), so stay tuned.

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Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-29 Thread PaulTT
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Adam Jimersonvend...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Friday 24 July 2009 06:56:22 pm Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
That's Linux box which fits in your pocket. You can do
 everything.

 Except for charging while it is off, but that is a different story XP

i do it ;P

power on
connect adapter (it wcharges)
power off
you go to sleep

in the morning it's charged ;P

om2008.12 with kernel hand-updated

now i'm testing shr in these days, but on the sd, this night it seems
to have charged only at 60%, i'll check this better

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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Rafael Campos
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Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-29 Thread arne anka
 Except for charging while it is off, but that is a different story XP

 i do it ;P

 power on
 connect adapter (it wcharges)
 power off
 you go to sleep


tested it yesterday, rather by accident (fso5.5/debian).
since i got autosuspend running, the fr uses to nod off even when on power  
and last night it was at about 85%, when nodding off -- remembering this  
thread and being curious, i let ist sleep for several minutes (almost 30,  
i guess) and after resuming the charging level was at 92%.

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FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release.

The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate
the further development of free and open source middleware for
Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann,
freesmartphone.org GbR.

The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
platform, also known as FSO[1].

We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and
non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling
solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new
devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who
decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer,
founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development
of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing
the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at
coret...@freesmartphone.org.

With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has
emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and
core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the
other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders
innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services
middleware.

FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid
middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not
only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to
sharing the whole design and development process with the community and
giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and
steer the process.

Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for
mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess
communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to
concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business
logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device
specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources,
telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc.

About freesmartphone.org:
Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration
platform for open source and open discussion software projects working
on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones.
freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and
offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern
interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions,
freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific
communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO
team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the
freedesktop.org community.

[1] http://www.freesmartphone.org



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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote:
 Hmm, i have noticed that some of you guys voted, while we still worked
 on templates layout. Many has changed and few additional has appeared,
 thus if anybody wishes to change their votes, do not hesitate to do so.
        Preferably under this post-will be easier for me to count.

7d, as it has no border like the application template.

Nicola

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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Either 8a or 8b.

md


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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Michael 'Mickey'
Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
 Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release.

 The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate
 the further development of free and open source middleware for
 Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann,
 freesmartphone.org GbR.

 The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
 the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
 implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
 platform, also known as FSO[1].

 We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and
 non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling
 solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new
 devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who
 decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer,
 founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development
 of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing
 the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at
 coret...@freesmartphone.org.

 With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has
 emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and
 core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the
 other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders
 innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services
 middleware.

 FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid
 middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not
 only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to
 sharing the whole design and development process with the community and
 giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and
 steer the process.

 Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for
 mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess
 communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to
 concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business
 logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device
 specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources,
 telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc.

 About freesmartphone.org:
 Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration
 platform for open source and open discussion software projects working
 on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones.
 freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and
 offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern
 interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions,
 freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific
 communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO
 team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the
 freedesktop.org community.

 [1] http://www.freesmartphone.org



This is great ! And I hope it will provide more visibility to FSO.

more visibility = more contribs = more testing = more stable =
best FOSS GSM middleware :)

Since I love OS like om2009/Paroli, and even SHR (all EFL based
development actually) , I would love to see FSO to be rock solid to
help people to concentrate on Apps and tweaks :)


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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Mickey, Stefan, Daniel and Jan,

congratulations!
I wish you all the best, both from a free software and business perspective
it's so important to avoid the mobile Android monoculture :-)

Way to go FSO, we will do what we can to support you guys.
Wolfgang

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:51:20PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release.
 
 The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate
 the further development of free and open source middleware for
 Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann,
 freesmartphone.org GbR.
 
 The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
 the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
 implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
 platform, also known as FSO[1].
 
 We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and
 non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling
 solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new
 devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who
 decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer,
 founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development
 of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing
 the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at
 coret...@freesmartphone.org.
 
 With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has
 emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and
 core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the
 other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders
 innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services
 middleware.
 
 FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid
 middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not
 only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to
 sharing the whole design and development process with the community and
 giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and
 steer the process.
 
 Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for
 mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess
 communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to
 concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business
 logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device
 specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources,
 telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc.
 
 About freesmartphone.org:
 Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration
 platform for open source and open discussion software projects working
 on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones.
 freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and
 offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern
 interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions,
 freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific
 communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO
 team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the
 freedesktop.org community.
 
 [1] http://www.freesmartphone.org
 
 
 
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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
I guess congratulations are in order. :)

Best of luck, guys!
Rui

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:51:20PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release.
 
 The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate
 the further development of free and open source middleware for
 Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann,
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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:51:20PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer,

LOL each time I read this part I always read Dr. Mickey Lauer ;)

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Re: fixing bug #1024 successful reports?

2009-07-29 Thread giacomo `giotti` mariani
Hello to Everyone,

I'm seriously thinking to perform the fix on my phone, but I'm afraid to
have some lack of knowledge.
Is some guide/how-to available out there?

Thank you very much

Giacomo

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Re: [???] Which system is this?

2009-07-29 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Now is based on debian, but next release will have one version based
on SHR too :) and yes we will,sorry, Cristoph M will include litephone
:)

2009/7/29 Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.com:
 Wow, I will admit I'm excited to try this out.  I love programming in
 QT...and the UI design here looks great.
 This + litephone would make a very nice distro I believe

 I'll throw it on my uSD card and give it a try when I get home.

 Does anyone know, is Qallee based on debian?  or the openmoko kernels?

 -Dan Staley

 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Rafael Campos meth...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Bernd Prünster
 bernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak schrieb:
  On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 02:31, Bernd
  Prünsterbernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  saw these screenies on scap:
  http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b41df60899616887078dc018612ba0e7.png
 
  looks like efl based, seems to be shr (?)
 
 
  It's Qt4 based. Even looks like Qt :P
 
 
 well i guess i guess i was VERY wrong.
 although an elementary button looks exactly the same when you remove the
 bottom layer...
  ...
 
 
  Just read thread about LitePhone. Or if you're lazy:
  Qalee - http://www.openmoko.openmatica.es/QALEE/
 
 

 It's Qalee, a debian/Qt distro really interesting and fast. I've the
 opportunity to test at one of the Buzz-Fix Parties in Spain. The uathor is
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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread steven mosher
Congratulations Mickey.
 Qi hardware supports your efforts and if there is anything we can do to
assist you just
 let us know. There is a freesmartphone in Qi's future, hopefully sooner
than people expect.
 FSO would be a vital part of that. I'll have mirko add your organizations
to our list of links.

  Steve

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 
mic...@vanille-media.de wrote:

 Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release.

 The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate
 the further development of free and open source middleware for
 Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann,
 freesmartphone.org GbR.

 The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
 the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
 implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
 platform, also known as FSO[1].

 We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and
 non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling
 solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new
 devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who
 decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer,
 founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development
 of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing
 the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at
 coret...@freesmartphone.org.

 With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has
 emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and
 core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the
 other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders
 innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services
 middleware.

 FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid
 middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not
 only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to
 sharing the whole design and development process with the community and
 giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and
 steer the process.

 Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for
 mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess
 communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to
 concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business
 logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device
 specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources,
 telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc.

 About freesmartphone.org:
 Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration
 platform for open source and open discussion software projects working
 on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones.
 freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and
 offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern
 interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions,
 freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific
 communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO
 team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the
 freedesktop.org community.

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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Pieter Colpaert
+1!
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 00:33 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
 Mickey, Stefan, Daniel and Jan,
 
 congratulations!
 I wish you all the best, both from a free software and business perspective
 it's so important to avoid the mobile Android monoculture :-)
 
 Way to go FSO, we will do what we can to support you guys.
 Wolfgang
 
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:51:20PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
  Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release.
  
  The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate
  the further development of free and open source middleware for
  Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lbbe, Schmidt, Willmann,
  freesmartphone.org GbR.
  
  The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
  the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
  implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
  platform, also known as FSO[1].
  
  We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and
  non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling
  solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new
  devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who
  decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer,
  founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development
  of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing
  the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at
  coret...@freesmartphone.org.
  
  With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has
  emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and
  core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the
  other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders
  innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services
  middleware.
  
  FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid
  middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not
  only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to
  sharing the whole design and development process with the community and
  giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and
  steer the process.
  
  Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for
  mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess
  communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to
  concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business
  logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device
  specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources,
  telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc.
  
  About freesmartphone.org:
  Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration
  platform for open source and open discussion software projects working
  on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones.
  freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and
  offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern
  interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions,
  freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific
  communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO
  team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the
  freedesktop.org community.
  
  [1] http://www.freesmartphone.org
  
  
  
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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
Really great news :) I wish you all the best
2009/7/29 Pieter Colpaert freep...@gmail.com:
 +1!
 On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 00:33 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
 Mickey, Stefan, Daniel and Jan,

 congratulations!
 I wish you all the best, both from a free software and business perspective
 it's so important to avoid the mobile Android monoculture :-)

 Way to go FSO, we will do what we can to support you guys.
 Wolfgang

 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:51:20PM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
  Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release.
 
  The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate
  the further development of free and open source middleware for
  Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lbbe, Schmidt, Willmann,
  freesmartphone.org GbR.
 
  The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
  the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
  implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
  platform, also known as FSO[1].
 
  We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and
  non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling
  solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new
  devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who
  decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer,
  founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development
  of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing
  the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at
  coret...@freesmartphone.org.
 
  With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has
  emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and
  core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the
  other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders
  innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services
  middleware.
 
  FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid
  middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not
  only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to
  sharing the whole design and development process with the community and
  giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and
  steer the process.
 
  Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for
  mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess
  communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to
  concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business
  logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device
  specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources,
  telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc.
 
  About freesmartphone.org:
  Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration
  platform for open source and open discussion software projects working
  on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones.
  freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and
  offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern
  interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions,
  freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific
  communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO
  team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the
  freedesktop.org community.
 
  [1] http://www.freesmartphone.org
 
 
 
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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Warren Baird
I voted just before this email, but for clarity, I'll repost after it:   8a.

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 Hmm, i have noticed that some of you guys voted, while we still worked
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Re: [fso] scripts on suspend/resume

2009-07-29 Thread Steven **
This probably isn't exactly what you're looking for, but...
I believe /etc/enlightenment/suspend.sh is the file ran to cause the
suspend.  You could modify that.  I don't know if there's an
equivalent for resume.

That suspend script uses FSO.  And it seems like FSO calls the Resume
function of all the resources when the device comes out of
suspend[1][2].  Perhaps you can use that?

-Steven

[1] 
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD#Suspend
[2] 
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Resource.html;hb=HEAD#Resume

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM, arne ankaopenm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
 is there any infrastructure to run scripts upon suspend resp resume?
 the only way so far seems to be using apmd -- but that adds considerable
 delay to resume ...

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Re: [fso] scripts on suspend/resume

2009-07-29 Thread Vikas Saurabh
 is there any infrastructure to run scripts upon suspend resp resume?
 the only way so far seems to be using apmd -- but that adds considerable
 delay to resume ...

I don't remember exactly where, but there are folders dedicated to
contain scripts to execute while suspend/resume (just like init.d).
Check out the files contained in omnewrorate packate (it installs some
files there)

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Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-29 Thread Fabian Schölzel
Am Freitag 24. Juli 2009 20:27:09 schrieb Patryk Benderz:
 Hello list,
   As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a
 look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like
 most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page.
   After lets say a week or two, we will count votes and winner will be
 included in coming CU as a template for distro - if any will be released
 of course :)
   Anyone interested how template is constructed can take a look here [2].

 [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Leadman
 [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Template:DistributionBox

May i propose some different layout? Wouldnt it be better, if the 2-columns 
have the text left and the screenshot/infobox on the right? Thats a layout 
thats very common. Then the continuous text would be in center vertically 
(from left to right: wiki-thingies | text | infobox), wich is easier for the 
eye.

I then also would integrate the actual version, codename, homepage etc... in 
the infobox, and leave only the name of the distro as title. If the text gets 
some longer, the informational data would get seperated a bit, which should be 
avoided.

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Re: [fso] scripts on suspend/resume

2009-07-29 Thread arne anka
 This probably isn't exactly what you're looking for, but...
 I believe /etc/enlightenment/suspend.sh is the file ran to cause the
 suspend.  You could modify that.  I don't know if there's an
 equivalent for resume.

no enlightment here, so no go.

 That suspend script uses FSO.  And it seems like FSO calls the Resume
 function of all the resources when the device comes out of
 suspend[1][2].  Perhaps you can use that?

looks like ousaged would somehow be responsible to handle those things.
well, maybe one of the fso guys has an idea ...  (i probably should write  
an enhancement request in the tracker)

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Re: [fso] scripts on suspend/resume

2009-07-29 Thread arne anka
 I don't remember exactly where, but there are folders dedicated to
 contain scripts to execute while suspend/resume (just like init.d).


yes, below /etc/apm/ -- but that requires a running apm, which is quite an  
overhead for that simple task.

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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Fabian Schölzel
Am Mittwoch 29. Juli 2009 17:51:20 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer:

 The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
 the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
 implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
 platform, also known as FSO[1].

Congratulations! I hope everything goes well with the company. Is there a way 
to make tax deductible donations?

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[e] How to specify line width on evas.canvas

2009-07-29 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
Hi!

This is a e specifiy question, I hope somebody is more knowledgable then me.

Im creating a line element on evas.canvas with the following snippet of code:

line = self.Line(color=#CE5C00)
line.start_set(oldx, oldy)
line.end_set(newx, newy)
line.show()

The problem with it, it is always 1 px wide.

How can I specify the width? I would like to have at least 5px width.

Any idea is most welcomed.

Best regards,
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[e] How to specify line width on evas.canvas

2009-07-29 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
Hi!

I hope somebody can help me out:

Im currently using evas.canvas for some basic graphics.
Im creating line with this code snippet:

line = self.Line(color=#CE5C00)
line.start_set(oldx, oldy)
line.end_set(newx, newy)
line.show()

The only problem with it, that it creates 1px wide line.
How can I specify the line width?
I would like to have at least 5px of line width.

Any idea is most welcomed.

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Re: om2009/paroli status

2009-07-29 Thread Toni Mueller

Hi,

On Fri, 24.07.2009 at 08:40:45 +0200, Mirko Lindner 
vegyra...@paroli-project.org wrote:
 There still is the plan to release a final version of Om2009. It  
 would be good if we could assemble a list of problems in paroli that  
 need fixing for the release.

I'm a bit out-of-sync with all of you, due to other work, but still
have problems in Om2009r5 that I've just flashed my FR A6. These are my
first impressions:

1. Booting is _very_slow_. I didn't measure it, but it feels much
   slower than with Om2009r4 (which had a whole lot of other problems,
   though, including no keyboard after a while in the dialer).

2. I've changed the profile to Illume on the first boot after flashing.
   On the second boot, when it asks for a PIN, the following problems
   manifest:

   2.1 There is a strip of rainbow colours (much like a garbled C64
   screen) on the top of the screen.
   2.2 The string Enter PIN is cut off at the lower half.

   2.3 The profile was reset to Paroli.

3. I changed the profile setting to paroli-serenity. This resultet in
   an error message about a missing module that could not be loaded.

4. If I call myself to test, although sound quality is _poor_ (like an
   old military radio device - I think I need the buzz fix), there's
   immediate, and increasing, acoustic feedback. I have to go several
   meters away from the other phone to stop it.

5. I didn't yet find out how to adjust the keyboard to eg. German.
   Preferably, I'd have the Terminal keyboard (not that magic I
   guess and scramble your writing-keyboard) plus a method to enter
   accented characters.

6. When conducting a phone call, there's a weird mixed call-and-hangup
   sign which looks like if the two images were overlayed as
   transparencies.

7. Keyboard reaction is MUCH slower than it was in r4 while I had a
   keyboard there.


Some general remarks:

* I didn't yet find out where my data goes. With r4, I had some
  messages, and, in theory, GPS tracks that I tried to recover using
  SSH, but I could not locate them on the file system. So I lost it
  all after re-flashing.

* There should be an easy way to inspect and manipulate backup images
  (eg. jffs2 format) in a regular Linux desktop machine. Maybe this is
  in the wiki already, but I'd like something along pmount image-file
  directory to mount an image and work with the contents.

* So far, I'm only able to use half of my 8gig micro SD card in the
  phone, but all of it in a regular computer's card reader.

* Battery life appears to be very low. Just dabbling a bit with the new
  image drained three quarters of the battery, according to Illume's
  status display, but the can battery icon appeared to suggested the
* battery to be half full.


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[Debian] Installation failed

2009-07-29 Thread ueli.pe...@bluewin.ch




Dear Community

the last tree days i tryed to install Debian over SHR.
Everytime endig with:


P: Configuring package debian-archive-keyringP: Configuring package aptP: 
Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-aptE: Internal error: 
installr...@om-gta02 ~ $ 

Full Log is appended

Any hints?

Regards, Ueli


r...@om-gta02 ~ $ wget -O install.sh http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh
Connecting to pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org (217.196.43.134:80)
install.sh   100% || 44621  --:--:-- ETA
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ chmod +x install.sh
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ./install.sh testing time format mount debian apt fso tasks configuration kernel cleanup unmount
Running stage testing
Testing system setup
 * microSD card device: /dev/mmcblk0 present
 * network running
I: System setup looks good
I: Done with stage testing
Running stage time
Fetching time from ntp.fu-berlin.de with rdate
I: Time is now Wed Jul 29 21:34:22 CEST 2009
I: Done with stage time
Running stage format

Starting to format the microSD card

***
* WARNING *
***

This will destroy all the data on the microSD card!!!

Press any key within 5 seconds to quit
W: /dev/mmcblk0p1 is mounted, unmounting
W: /dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted, unmounting
 * Formatting ext2 on /dev/mmcblk0p1
mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=1024 (log=0)
Fragment size=1024 (log=0)
2448 inodes, 9732 blocks
486 blocks (4.99%) reserved for the super user
First data block=1
2 block groups
8192 blocks per group, 8192 fragments per group
1224 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks: 
	8193

Writing inode tables: done
Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

This filesystem will be automatically checked every 23 mounts or
180 days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
 * Formatting ext3 on /dev/mmcblk0p2
mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
Filesystem label=
OS type: Linux
Block size=4096 (log=2)
Fragment size=4096 (log=2)
247296 inodes, 493620 blocks
24681 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user
First data block=0
16 block groups
32768 blocks per group, 32768 fragments per group
15456 inodes per group
Superblock backups stored on blocks: 
	32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912

Writing inode tables: done
Creating journal (8192 blocks): done
Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done

This filesystem will be automatically checked every 22 mounts or
180 days, whichever comes first.  Use tune2fs -c or -i to override.
I: microSD card ready
I: Done with stage format
Running stage mount
Mounting the newly created system
I: microSD card partitions mounted
I: Done with stage mount
Running stage debian
Install a basic Debian system
 * Downloading cdebootstrap package
Connecting to ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.68.86:80)
cdebootstrap.deb 100% ||   521k 00:00:00 ETA
 * Running cdebootstrap to install the system (might take a while)
I: Can't find keyring debian-archive-keyring.gpg
P: Retrieving Release
P: Retrieving Release.gpg
W: Couldn't validate Release!
P: Parsing Release
P: Retrieving Packages.gz
P: Validating Packages.gz
P: Parsing Packages
P: Retrieving gcc-4.4-base
P: Validating gcc-4.4-base
P: Retrieving libgcc1
P: Validating libgcc1
P: Retrieving libc6
P: Validating libc6
P: Retrieving libstdc++6
P: Validating libstdc++6
P: Retrieving libbz2-1.0
P: Validating libbz2-1.0
P: Retrieving readline-common
P: Validating readline-common
P: Retrieving libncurses5
P: Validating libncurses5
P: Retrieving libreadline5
P: Validating libreadline5
P: Retrieving libusb-0.1-4
P: Validating libusb-0.1-4
P: Retrieving zlib1g
P: Validating zlib1g
P: Retrieving gpgv
P: Validating gpgv
P: Retrieving gnupg
P: Validating gnupg
P: Retrieving debian-archive-keyring
P: Validating debian-archive-keyring
P: Retrieving apt
P: Validating apt
P: Retrieving base-passwd
P: Validating base-passwd
P: Retrieving mawk
P: Validating mawk
P: Retrieving base-files
P: Validating base-files
P: Retrieving sensible-utils
P: Validating sensible-utils
P: Retrieving debianutils
P: Validating debianutils
P: Retrieving libattr1
P: Validating libattr1
P: Retrieving libacl1
P: Validating libacl1
P: Retrieving libselinux1
P: Validating libselinux1
P: Retrieving coreutils
P: Validating coreutils
P: Retrieving lzma
P: Validating lzma
P: Retrieving dpkg
P: Validating dpkg
P: Retrieving dash
P: Validating dash
P: Retrieving bash
P: Validating bash
P: Retrieving bsdutils
P: Validating bsdutils
P: Retrieving diff
P: Validating diff
P: Retrieving dropbear
P: Validating dropbear
P: Retrieving e2fslibs
P: Validating e2fslibs
P: Retrieving libblkid1
P: Validating libblkid1
P: Retrieving libcomerr2
P: Validating libcomerr2
P: Retrieving libss2
P: Validating libss2
P: Retrieving perl-base
P: Validating perl-base
P: 

[fso] Best practice to disable suspend through FSO

2009-07-29 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
Dear List,

My om2009.t5 phone sometime suspend,
no matter what I set in paroli.
It occurs mostly when I start the phone with usb connected.
(or the usb triggers the phone to start).

I examined paroli's source code, and found the relevant part:
paroli-services/system/idlenotifier.py:64
def set_suspend(self, time):
and line 46:
self.iface = dbus.Interface(obj, 'org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier')

So paroli sets the suspend time through fso's IdleNotifier interface.
And he disables suspend using '-1' value.

When it sets '-1', fso does not set paroli as cpu user:
I checked in cli-framework using this command:
 usageiface.GetResourceUsers(CPU)
[]

So my question is, what is the best practice to disable suspend?

And what is the exact job of this IdleNotifier service? The online
api documentation is really short, and dont explain it in details.
And when I set the value '-1', shouldn't fso request CPU
automagically for me?

So it is a bug in paroli or in fso?

Comments?

Best regards,
 Laszlo

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Re: om2009/paroli status

2009-07-29 Thread Toni Mueller

Hi,

I meant to say

On Wed, 29.07.2009 at 22:04:16 +0200, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote:
 I'm a bit out-of-sync with all of you, due to other work,

that I'm sorry if there's a bit of duplication, and I also don't
expect a quick fix.

I have one feature request, though:

* Ability to explicitly refuse to accept a call, so it does not go to
  the voice mailbox (my normal configuration for calls I don't accept),
  either. Draining the voice mailbox is both expensive and very time
  consuming.


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Re: a script to find broken packages before they break you!

2009-07-29 Thread Frederik Sdun
* Previdi Roberto previdi.robe...@gmail.com [27.07.2009 13:07]:
hello list. I wrote this little script taking inspiration from the
powerful gentoo command revdep-rebuild. It scans all the binary files in
/usr/bin and shows the broken ones (the ones linking non existent library)
 
#!/bin/sh
for i in $(find /usr/bin/*); do
broken=$(ldd $i | grep not found)
if [ $broken !=  ]; then
echo $i: $broken
fi
done
 
i called it /usr/local/bin/revdep-scan
when you run it it prints an output like this:
 
/usr/bin/fsousaged: libfsoframework.so.0 = not found
 
i have also seen that you can issue an opkg search missing_lib_path to
find the package to reinstall, but you must pass the whole path, like
/usr/lib/libfsoframework.so.0 for it to work, so i'm not able to guess
it automatically (i could just try /usr/lib ...)
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Nice script. You can use regex to search the package:

LIB=$(echo $broken | awk '{print $2}')
PKG=$(opkg search */${LIB} | awk '{print $1}')
opkg install $PKG

or build a list of packages and install them at the end of the script

regards, Frederik
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Re: [fso] Best practice to disable suspend through FSO

2009-07-29 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 22:07, Laszlo
KREKACSlaszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 And when I set the value '-1', shouldn't fso request CPU
 automagically for me?

No. Value -1 in IdleNotifier is for permanently disabling suspend. CPU
resource is temporary, when some app needs for instance some
calculations and don't want to be suspended.

 So it is a bug in paroli or in fso?

I think there is no bug, just misconfiguration somewhere.

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Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-29 Thread Onen
Hi,

thanks for pointing this email from Harald Welte.

We have not looked much at the legal side. Because we found a lot of 
public work (research, etc.) about locating your phone thanks to GSM 
signals. We also found different projects which uses the GSM data, and 
log it. And as the data is freely available, we considered it good 
enough to be used. (not to mention that Google has logged it, and uses 
it through its Web service).

Alex, could you be more specific, I am not sure to understand what you 
have in mind? Are you wondering if we could log cells from other 
operators with only one phone?

Onen


Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote:
 (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002507.html)
 
 I don't see that it could be covered by a user agreement, because cell
 towers advertise their presence to users of other networks.
 
 This interests me more! Can we do this with the Calypso GSM module? I
 only have sim cards for valid for registration on 1 network but there
 are 3 networks available. I'm happy to not be registered to any
 network/not have functioning GSM while collecting data about cellids.
 Is it already showing up the reports you get in the FSO interface?


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Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?

2009-07-29 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:06:55PM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote:
 
 Go to their website - read their policy.
 tile.openstreetmap.org is not to be used for bulk downloads.

   URL?

 I can understand this, they probably have a bandwith problem.

   Although you'd think that if they were trying to save bandwidth, they'd
support the If-Modified-Since HTTP header which has had wide spread server
and client support for what, more than ten years.

 Find another repository that don't have such limitations.

   Again, URL?

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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Rafael Campos
Congrats

2009/7/29 Fabian Schölzel fabian.schoel...@googlemail.com

 Am Mittwoch 29. Juli 2009 17:51:20 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer:
 
  The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
  the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
  implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
  platform, also known as FSO[1].

 Congratulations! I hope everything goes well with the company. Is there a
 way
 to make tax deductible donations?

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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 17:51, Michael 'Mickey'
Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote:
 Braunschweig, Germany, 2009-07-29. For immediate release.

 The freesmartphone.org core-team founds a BGB company to facilitate
 the further development of free and open source middleware for
 Linux-based mobile systems: Lauer, Lübbe, Schmidt, Willmann,
 freesmartphone.org GbR.

 The core-team members of the freesmartphone.org project today announced
 the founding of a legal entity offering consulting, training, and
 implementation services around the freesmartphone.org middleware
 platform, also known as FSO[1].

 We now have a single point of contact for both commercial and
 non-commercial parties who want to use our services to create compelling
 solutions. This is of interest for groups or individuals creating new
 devices or freeing existing devices (anti-vendor-ports) and who
 decided to incorporate the FSO middleware, says Dr. Michael Lauer,
 founder of the FSO project. If you care about the further development
 of this platform or if you need guidance for tailoring or customizing
 the FSO middleware, contact us via E-Mail at
 coret...@freesmartphone.org.

 With todays' smartphones evolving into ubiquituous companions, a gap has
 emerged between widely used FOSS components like the Linux kernel and
 core system libraries on one side, and end-user applications on the
 other side. The lack of a complete free mobile software stack hinders
 innovation and leads to reinventing proprietary solutions for services
 middleware.

 FSO's mission is to close this gap by designing and developing solid
 middleware for mobile systems in an open fashion; this refers to not
 only publishing source code under open source licenses, but also to
 sharing the whole design and development process with the community and
 giving both commercial and non-commercial entities a way to co-drive and
 steer the process.

 Built on top of the Linux kernel, FSO implements high level services for
 mobile application development, accessible via the DBus interprocess
 communication standard. Leveraging the FSO APIs allows the developer to
 concentrate on solving application domain problems, such as business
 logic and presentation of data, without having to worry about the device
 specifics and low level details, such as how to access resources,
 telephony, location awareness, data storage, etc.

 About freesmartphone.org:
 Previously funded by Openmoko Inc, freesmartphone.org is a collaboration
 platform for open source and open discussion software projects working
 on interoperability and shared technology for Linux-based smartphones.
 freesmartphone.org operates on the services layer (middleware) and
 offers APIs and reference implementations that support modern
 interconnected mobile devices. To provide reference solutions,
 freesmartphone.org works closely together with various device-specific
 communities such as the Openmoko, OpenEZX, and HTC-Linux groups. The FSO
 team honours and bases on specifications and software created by the
 freedesktop.org community.

 [1] http://www.freesmartphone.org

Could I hire you to work on opimd? :D

But seriously - I hope some people or companies will be really
interested in FSO and thus development will be faster. Even if
neighter frameworkd nor cornucopia will be popular, I hope
freesmartphone.org specification will live long. And I really hope you
guys will be able to work on FSO as your primary job :)

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Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out! (Legal status)

2009-07-29 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Onenonen...@free.fr wrote:
 Alex, could you be more specific, I am not sure to understand what you
 have in mind? Are you wondering if we could log cells from other
 operators with only one phone?

Exactly. I don't know alot about GSM. On one hand, you can see the
other networks. On the other, there's a registration process to
connect to those networks so even if it were possible to build a
device to collect data unauthenticaed, the Calypso probably doesn't
have that functionality.

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Re: FSO core team founds BGB company

2009-07-29 Thread c_c

Hi,
Congrats and best wishes. Hope FSO goes a long way :-)


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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-29 Thread c_c

Hi,

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 
Glad to hear you got it working, c_c. :)
 
  Thanks to this thread and the people here!

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 
 If I suspend the phone, then it disconnects from the 
headset, and I can't answer calls until I run the dbus command
 
  I use the speaker option for such an emergency - speaker phone works! 
Then a script + desktop file for the script to connect to the heasdset.
 Its a little unerliable right now though.

The Digital Pioneer wrote:
 
Also, I need a way to enable/disable bluetooth without editing configs
and restarting frameworkd and ophonekitd, as doing so takes several
minutes.
 
  Best solved by making two bash scripts and their associated .desktop
files.
Inconvenient hack - but it's working for me.
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Re: [SHR-U] Bluetooth and GSM... Again.

2009-07-29 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Yes, it can be done with bash scripts, but there's no avoiding restarting
frameworkd and ophonekitd. That's the part that takes so long.
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Re: [QtMoko] New debian images V5

2009-07-29 Thread Shashank Bharadwaj
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Radek Polakpson...@seznam.cz wrote:
 Hi,
 new version of QtMoko debian images is uploading now. It will be
 possible to download them soon (like in 2 hours) from:

 http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/
[snip]
 Most probably no bugs were introduced and this version should be stable
 as daily phone.

Tested basic functionalities. SMS, Calls works fine.Yes can be used as
a daily phone.

Bluetooth is present. I didn't have another phone with bluetooth atm,
so don't know if that would work, but atleast the options show up ;)

Some issues though:

* On first boot, when i pressed the dialer button on the homescreen,
QtMoko crashed and went blank with only a cursor blinking at the
top-left corner. I was hoping for it to do a restart of QtMoko, but
even after a few minutes it didn't respond so i had to remove the
battery. On next boot this didn't occur.
  Next time maybe i'll get time to catch some logs.

* Tango GPS opened fine, (I couldn't test the GPS as i know i'll not
get a fix inside the building, i'll test it later in the day) but
after closing there is a cursor on the bottom-left corner of the
QtMoko, but that is just a aesthetic requirement.


Thank you Radek, a great amount of work has gone into making this
build. I must say it's been shaping out nicely!
Personally Qtmoko is an awesome distribution and that's what i use as
daily phone.. with support for TangoGPS, it'll give rise to a whole
new level of (healthy) competition to the other distros!
Great work keep it up!!

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Re: testing Litephone, new phone interface

2009-07-29 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/29 KaZeR ka...@altern.org


 Hello list.

 I've tested litephone, and i like the concept behind it. Switching from
 contacts to messages to phone logs is done in a breath. I also like the
 possibility to change the volume during call, even if it's not done in the
 cleaner way : at least, it works. Scrolling is a bit awkward at the
 beginning but with the shortcuts on the right side you can find a contact
 in
 a 120+ list quite fast.

 Only issue i noticed so far : keypad doesn't work in calls : i called my
 voice mail and was unable to navigate in its menu.

 Also, deleting sms can be done using
 org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage(int(message)) : it could be useful
 :)

 Otherwise, very promising app. Please convert
 http://pvtrace.com/litephone/
 into a repository so that i can keep it up to date easily.


Thanks for testing! I wasn't aware of the keypad issue, actually I forgot
you should be able to use during calls :-), I'll fix it.

The updating contact issues I know about, and it's fixed for beta release.
If Sebastian has implemented Message.Delete in opimd, then the release
should have full functionality.

The beta release should come later today (european time :-)).

Sebastian, did you fix the data duplication bug already?
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