Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, September 09, 2009 a las 09:37:33PM +0200, Christof Musik 
escribió:

 Hello
 
 Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1. Since the last version
 released by Michal I've done some work and improved the whole code.
 There are also many changes and fixes for the UI.  To install it follow
 the instructions on www.litephone.org. There you will find all packages
 that are needed to install Litephone and Qt.
 
 Here is a quick summary of the changes I've done:
 
 - Improved message and phonelog view
 - Contacts can have more properties
 - Added PIN input widget and use it in PIN change dialog
 - Translation support (thanks to Bart??omiej Zimo?? for polish
   translation)
 - Improved startup code
 
 If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on
 www.litephone.org
 
 Kind regards,
 Christof
 

Hello Christof,

Will this also work on Om2008.9 or is there a version for this?
Thx

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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/9/10 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de


 Hello Christof,

 Will this also work on Om2008.9 or is there a version for this?
 Thx


Litephone is based on FSO. Are you running latests FSO on your Om2008?
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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Christof Musik
Hello Matthias,

 Will this also work on Om2008.9 or is there a version for this?
 Thx

you need a recent FSO daemon to run this application, so it wouldn't work
on Om2008.9. Since the whole API on Om2008.9 is deprecated I don't think
that we will support this. You should really try shr-unstable.

Kind regards,
Christof


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Re: Bug tracker

2009-09-10 Thread Paul Fertser
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk writes:
 If the latest andy-tracking kernel is no longer affected why
 aren't both WSOD bug reports updated? I wasn't even aware until very
 recently that the original WSOD bug was fixed as the initial report is still
 open without activity since months.

It is not generally possible to update bug reports in the OM bug tracker
 because the exact magic necessary to get permission to create bug reports or
 update existing ones isn't known. So you shouldn't put too much into seeing
 an open bug report with no activity for months.

Currently it is indeed possible to get permissions to update
tickets. Rask, you can ask .

I think only System software (== bootloaders and the kernel) section
on the OM trac is still relevant since all the other soft comes
elsewhere and has its own bug tracking systems. I've just closed a
whole bunch of old/fixed/invalid tickets in there and left only those
which i'm really unsure of or that are real bugs still present.

Unfortunately, WSOD is still one of those. It's known that the way
andy-tracking HEAD currently deals with jbt is still prone to
WSOD. And i can confirm seeing it on gta01.

This bug is supposed to go away after switching to .31 from upstream
and applying Lars's heavily rewritten drivers on top of it.

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Re: Bug tracker

2009-09-10 Thread Paul Fertser
Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com writes:
 Currently it is indeed possible to get permissions to update
 tickets. Rask, you can ask 

Joachim Steiger - roh at openmoko dot org.

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[Gta2v5] WiFi quit working

2009-09-10 Thread Atilla Filiz
Hi list;
My FR's wifi connection no longer works. 'iwlist scan' always prints the
resource unavailable message, the one when wifi power is off. My NAND distro
Neovento claims wifi is on but it isn't. And on my SD distro, Hackable1, I
click 'enable wifi', when it should turn in to 'turn off wifi' button, it
stays the same. And the same 'resource temporarily unavaliable' thing.

Any ideas?

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Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation

2009-09-10 Thread Aapo Rantalainen
How reactive it is? I know the discussion about mokomaze but can this
be used games/apps witch needs only arrow keys one at a time?

-Aapo Rantalainen

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Re: [SHR-unstable] Failing to get a GPS fix on FSO. Ublox works..

2009-09-10 Thread rakshat hooja
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:

 Hi!

 1) install latest SHR unstable
 ( 2) upgrade)
 2) install omgps

 - now when you try to get a fix with only omgps (using ublox), it
 works in a reasonable time (30-50s or so)
 But trying to find satellites with the SHR settings - Position it's
 hopeless.
 I've put it on manual  on. It keeps me waiting for ages with all the
 fields showing 'unknown' except Fix that shows invalid or something
 like that..  And no fix for minutes if ever.
 And the same goes with Tangogps (using FSO) - no fix..


I get fix in 50sec-1min on SHR-U

my rootfs is

http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old/full-om-gta02.jffs2


I think its a 22nd August build.  Non opkg upgraded. I leave the automatic
setting for GPS in SHR Settings.

Rakshat
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Re: [SHR-unstable] Failing to get a GPS fix on FSO. Ublox works..

2009-09-10 Thread rakshat hooja
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:

 Hi!

 1) install latest SHR unstable
 ( 2) upgrade)
 2) install omgps

 - now when you try to get a fix with only omgps (using ublox), it
 works in a reasonable time (30-50s or so)
 But trying to find satellites with the SHR settings - Position it's
 hopeless.
 I've put it on manual  on. It keeps me waiting for ages with all the
 fields showing 'unknown' except Fix that shows invalid or something
 like that..  And no fix for minutes if ever.
 And the same goes with Tangogps (using FSO) - no fix..


 I get fix in 50sec-1min on SHR-U

 my rootfs is


 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old/full-om-gta02.jffs2


 I think its a 22nd August build.  Non opkg upgraded. I leave the automatic
 setting for GPS in SHR Settings.

 Rakshat



And my kernel is

http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin

Rakshat


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Re: Device Orientation API

2009-09-10 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut]
 Basically, it's sending you a string whenever the orientation changes. Valid 
 substrings contain portrait, landscape, faceup, facedown.
IMHO using integers where (x,y,z) are -1,0 or 1, would be better idea.
This way you could make mathematical operations on this. Or use a
conditions like: (x=1,y=0,z0). There is already some info about axis
on wiki somewhere

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Re: QtMoko images V9

2009-09-10 Thread Patryk Benderz
Dnia 2009-09-09, śro o godzinie 22:26 +0200, Radek Polak pisze:
 Hi all,
 i have just uploaded new QtMoko debian images. You can download as
Great, thanks! One question about your version numbering. As it is not
usual, is there any system, like odd numbers are unstable/testing
version, and even are stable?

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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Patryk Benderz
Dnia 2009-09-09, śro o godzinie 21:37 +0200, Christof Musik pisze:
 Hello
 
 Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1. Since the last version
 released by Michal I've done some work and improved the whole code.
Great to hear this. I like Litephone much mores than Paroli (sorry
Angus ;) )

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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Arigead
Christof Musik wrote:
 Hello
 
 Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1. Since the last version
 released by Michal I've done some work and improved the whole code.
 There are also many changes and fixes for the UI.  To install it follow
 the instructions on www.litephone.org. There you will find all packages
 that are needed to install Litephone and Qt.
 
 Here is a quick summary of the changes I've done:
 
 - Improved message and phonelog view
 - Contacts can have more properties
 - Added PIN input widget and use it in PIN change dialog
 - Translation support (thanks to Bart?omiej Zimon' for polish
   translation)
 - Improved startup code
 
 If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on
 www.litephone.org
 
 Kind regards,
 Christof
 

Thanks a million for the update. I tried litephone on SHR-U for the
first time yesterday and tried to send a text message test message
hello. That got displayed in litephone as ttes meessag hello which I
thought was funny as. I was going to ask if there were any updates or
where the repository was today. You beat me to it downloading now ;-)


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Re: Device Orientation API

2009-09-10 Thread Matthias Huber
Patryk Benderz schrieb:
 [cut]
   
 Basically, it's sending you a string whenever the orientation changes. Valid 
 substrings contain portrait, landscape, faceup, facedown.
 
 IMHO using integers where (x,y,z) are -1,0 or 1, would be better idea.
 This way you could make mathematical operations on this. Or use a
 conditions like: (x=1,y=0,z0). There is already some info about axis
 on wiki somewhere
   
... and for putting this together, one could make macro(tests) ot the
integers:
 portrait := (x,y,z) =~ (90,0,270)

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Re: USB Networking disabled

2009-09-10 Thread arne anka
 I just posted a message on the smartphone mailing-list about a similar
 problem I have.

according to your description on smartphone-users, yours is totally  
different an issue (and i answered with a way to fix that).
you simply fell in the well known qi/udev trap, while the op according to  
his description does not get any cdc ether device at all.

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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/9/10 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com


 Thanks a million for the update. I tried litephone on SHR-U for the
 first time yesterday and tried to send a text message test message
 hello. That got displayed in litephone as ttes meessag hello which I
 thought was funny as. I was going to ask if there were any updates or
 where the repository was today. You beat me to it downloading now ;-)


Can you go to sent messages and see what has been sent? My guess is that you
typed in the misspelled message using  the predictive illume keyboard.
Someone has already reported this, and my guess is the bug is somewhere
between illume and qt (maybe the fakekey events get swapped because illume
sends them all without a delay or something).
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Re: USB Networking disabled

2009-09-10 Thread arne anka
- is cdc-ether built-in or a module?
- how do you make sure it is not recognized? syslog?
- das the log say anything at all about usb?
- what exactly are you seeing when pluggin in the fr on the host side?

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Re: [Gta2v5] WiFi quit working

2009-09-10 Thread arne anka
when did it work the last time and what happend since then?
i have no ideas about neovento or hackable (except knowing, the exist) --  
what kernel do they use and how is wifi managed?

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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread dorje



Christof Musik wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1
 
 

Thank you!

I've been waiting for this day for 1 month... :)

Just upgraded it, I'm happy now! :D
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[shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread arne anka
after having trashed my debian/fso for the moment, i decided to try out  
shr for a while until i get fso working again.
while i try to read almost all mails on community, i can't claim to have  
followed the shr development that close.
i got some first impressions i'd like to share -- if they are addressed  
already, simply ignore them, if i miss something point it out.

skin is illume-shr since i figured it would fit the freerunner's screen  
best.
version is the image from august 8th with the matching kernel (what are  
the modules for?) without any updates so far, thus probably some of my  
complaints are addressed already.

- imo the default font is far to big -- i set it to small but got the  
distinct impression that illume crashes really often now, luckely enough  
mostly it recovers, i had to reboot only once or twice because it locked  
hard (fso still worked, since the screen blanked and the fr suspended).
- with the default font the x crashed screen and some settings screens  
are unreadable since a lot of text is invisible
- the font setting is a) to big for the screen and b) confusing. from the  
plethora of options i am unable to decide, which is the one i want (having  
very small columns with only the first letter visible does not help  
either) -- switching to landscape helped only marginally and left me with  
a corrupted screen after switching back to porttrait (coordinates where  
still landscape and the lower part of the screen, 480 were ... gaudy)
- basic preview text
- scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too close  
to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without knowing  
what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than once  
while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main menu
- i tried to minimize the font of the clock in the top shelf -- it is  
somewhat affected by the size setting of top shelf gadgets, but far from  
sufficient. while that signal level gadget and the battery gadget are  
minimized into illegibility, the clock still is big (about 4/5 of the  
shelf height, while the other gadgets are less than 1/2), overlays  
signal/battery and is cut off at the top slightly (since it is not  
vertically centered but aligns to the top). only setting the actual  
date/time is possible, font used or font size are not.
- bottom shelf seems not to be affected by changing the shel size, it  
seems to retain the very same height as before, but the font displaying  
loading gets smaller

i think, i'll attempt an update tonight and see, what changes.

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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread KaZeR



c_c wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 KaZeR wrote:
 
 Do you plan to make a nice integration to switch to BT headset for calls?
 Would be.. amazing.
 
   If you have a paired bt headset, launcher should autoconnect the bt
 headset for you on resume.
 

What for? Music playback or calls?


c_c wrote:
 
 
 KaZeR wrote:
 
 - when sending a sms, the send dialog doesn't close. You have to press
 cancel? The console output shows that it sent the message (the number is
 printed)
 
   Done.
 
Well, in fact i think it still could be better : i'm fine with the 'Sending
in progress icon' which was replaced by a sent icon in your previous binary.
On the other hand i dislike the 'Message was sent' popup. I would rather
rely on the icon to know if it was sent or not.
E.g : i write a message in the subway, no network : the message seems to be
recorded only if it was sent. So i can't reply to several messages, because
when i close the conversation view with a given contact, i have no way of
seeing back my previous message which was waiting to be delivered.

So, my three wishes about sending (which only reflect my own point of view
:) ):
- record (and display the appropriate icon) messages which were sent but not
yet delivered
- when pressing reply, refresh the conversation view so that the reply gets
in it place in the thread
- do not diplay a popup which needs to be acquainted to confirm message
delivery

Also, i have an issue (i already had it with the previous binary), here's
the pattern:
- start launcher
[A]
- reply to a message : it gets delivered and confirmed
- reply to another message : it doesn't get delivered. When exiting the
conversation, message is lost forever
- restart launcher
- goto [A]

Reproducible 100% of the time for me.


c_c wrote:
 
 
 KaZeR wrote:
 
 - the jump menu is bugged : B works, E leads to the 2nd contact starting
 by E, with M my first 'M' contact is the forelast in the display, and
 starting from P it's wrong. Could it be because you assume that my
 contact list is split homogeneously between letters? (10xA, 10xB, etc? )
 
   Well, the genlist takes time to build - and showing a contact works
 properly after that. I'm going to add categories for contacts. That should
 reduce the size of the list and make the jump better. Any ideas on how to
 improve it?
 
What about filtering the contact list? Since the list seems to be loaded in
memory, you could pre-build 26 sub-lists for each letters when loading the
adressbook, no?


Thanks for your other fixes/implementations :)
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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread KaZeR

Two other comments :
- I'm not yet interested in the launcher feature. Would it be possible to
hide the categories? When i want to start an app i just prefer to switch to
illume launcher currently.

- The delete button on the main conversation view isn't really useful imo.
When you want to delete a conversation, it's usually one which contains a
message you recently received and don't want to keep. Since selecting the
conversation open the conversation itself, it's easier/faster to delete from
there. I mean that you can't delete a conversation without opening it first
: so you'd better delete it from there, and not the main view.


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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Thomas Zimmermann
Am Donnerstag 10 September 2009 11:00:59 schrieb arne anka:
 after having trashed my debian/fso for the moment, i decided to try out
 shr for a while until i get fso working again.
 while i try to read almost all mails on community, i can't claim to have
 followed the shr development that close.
 i got some first impressions i'd like to share -- if they are addressed
 already, simply ignore them, if i miss something point it out.
 
 skin is illume-shr since i figured it would fit the freerunner's screen
 best.
 version is the image from august 8th with the matching kernel (what are
 the modules for?) without any updates so far, thus probably some of my
 complaints are addressed already.
 
 - imo the default font is far to big -- i set it to small but got the
 distinct impression that illume crashes really often now, luckely enough
 mostly it recovers, i had to reboot only once or twice because it locked
 hard (fso still worked, since the screen blanked and the fr suspended).
 - with the default font the x crashed screen and some settings screens
 are unreadable since a lot of text is invisible
 - the font setting is a) to big for the screen and b) confusing. from the
 plethora of options i am unable to decide, which is the one i want (having
 very small columns with only the first letter visible does not help
 either) -- switching to landscape helped only marginally and left me with
 a corrupted screen after switching back to porttrait (coordinates where
 still landscape and the lower part of the screen, 480 were ... gaudy)
 - basic preview text
 - scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too close
 to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without knowing
 what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than once
 while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main menu
 - i tried to minimize the font of the clock in the top shelf -- it is
 somewhat affected by the size setting of top shelf gadgets, but far from
 sufficient. while that signal level gadget and the battery gadget are
 minimized into illegibility, the clock still is big (about 4/5 of the
 shelf height, while the other gadgets are less than 1/2), overlays
 signal/battery and is cut off at the top slightly (since it is not
 vertically centered but aligns to the top). only setting the actual
 date/time is possible, font used or font size are not.
 - bottom shelf seems not to be affected by changing the shel size, it
 seems to retain the very same height as before, but the font displaying
 loading gets smaller
 
 i think, i'll attempt an update tonight and see, what changes.

All thing's, expect for shr-settings, are e releated so they won't change 
(soon).
And shr-settings layout hasn't changed since 8.8. too, so an update won't 
change anything you mentioned.

Thomas

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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread KaZeR

Yet 2 other comments :
- version doesn't seem to be uptodate
- if something went wrong, the gui doesn't tell you, if you didn't start
from console you can't know



 r...@om-gta02 /media/card/scripts $ launcher 
 restoring state
 version:33
 showing window
 starting dbus thread
 ERROR: failed to call GetNameOwner(org.freesmartphone.opimd)
 ERROR: failed to call GetNameOwner(org.freesmartphone.ogsmd)
 ERROR: failed to call GetNameOwner(org.freesmartphone.ousaged)
 dbus init over. getting opim data
 
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Re: Evopedia 0.2.2

2009-09-10 Thread Christian
Marc Bantle schrieb:
 Hi,
 
 after I got myself a bigger SD-card, I
 was able to give evopedia a try and I'm
 quite impressed.
 
 
 Christian Reitwießner schrieb:
 Evopedia version 0.2.2 has been released. The major new feature is an
 interactive map of articles. 
 
 Quite an interesting view of wikipedia
 on a map. I was a bit surprised to find
 Brasilien (Brasil) right next to river
 Neckar ... with evopedia the explanation
 was only one click away: [1] :-)
 
 Images for this map are automatically taken
 from downloaded map tiles of tangoGPS or from 
 Openstreetmap.org if these
 cannot be found (and you are online). 
 
 Nice idea, to reuse the tiles from tangogps.
 I have collected quite a few of them by now
 in different tango gps map repo (mapnik, cycle).
 Unfortunately evopedia doesn't honor, when
 I switched to another, even after a reboot.

That's a good idea, I'll add a dropdown menu where you can select the
tile repo used.

 I couldn't find a way to make the map move
 to my current gps position even though I saw
 some code to read it via pygps (which is
 installed). Is there a link somewhere to
 center map around current position as in
 tangogps or should the map automatically
 follow?

I have not implemented that feature for the map yet, also because there
is an open bug concerning fso-gpsd and pygps. It will be in the next
release. The code you mention was used in the previous version and will
be used again in the next version.

Thank you for your feedback!

Kind regards,
Christian

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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread KaZeR

In case it helps, for the can't reply issue : after replying, i don't see new
messages until i restart launcher.
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Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now

2009-09-10 Thread Marcel
Am Mittwoch, den 09.09.2009, 12:50 +0200 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: 
 After you need to start paroli manually after each boot.
 You can also create a similar file to 80ophonekitd.

Installing paroli-autostart does what the name suggests for me.

 To do this, go into wrench-Input -key bindings
 And delete all the two keybindigs (power button, aux button).
 
 Then copypaste these rules to rules.yaml:
 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/138541/
 
 Then restart frameworkd to take effect.

Thanks for the hint!

 Im glad there are interested people in paroli, and got their hand dirty
 to try it out!

Same here.



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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Arigead
Michal Brzozowski wrote:
 2009/9/10 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com
 mailto:captain.dea...@gmail.com
  
 
 Thanks a million for the update. I tried litephone on SHR-U for the
 first time yesterday and tried to send a text message test message
 hello. That got displayed in litephone as ttes meessag hello which I
 thought was funny as. I was going to ask if there were any updates or
 where the repository was today. You beat me to it downloading now ;-)
 
 
 Can you go to sent messages and see what has been sent? My guess is that
 you typed in the misspelled message using  the predictive illume
 keyboard. Someone has already reported this, and my guess is the bug is
 somewhere between illume and qt (maybe the fakekey events get swapped
 because illume sends them all without a delay or something).
 

The message got sent like that as I received it on my other phone that
garbled way. It's exactly the same with the new version which I
downloaded earlier today.

I don't see any way to look at sent messages in litephone so maybe it's
not as intuitive as it could be ;-)

Other problem is that it can't receive messages at all. I got rid of the
 notifier and ophonekitd out of /etc/X11/Xsession so maybe I need to put
the notifier back in but I'd assumed that I might not get a notification
but I'd still receive the message. Any messages I've sent are not
arriving at all.

Can we look at the source code?
;-)

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Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now

2009-09-10 Thread Marcel
On automatic startup via paroli-autostart package, Paroli shows this to
me:

can't init service Wifi :
org.moblin.connman.Error: .InvalidProperty

Tried again by restarting paroli without reboot in between, then the
error doesn't occur. Enabling wifi from paroli-settings seems to work,
although Networks doesn't show any of them while iwlist scan is
successful. Already had that problem on 2009t5...

wifi.py 108 wifi INFO setting power of wifi device
[...]
wifi.py 116 wifi INFO new status active
[...]
wifi.py 200 wifi INFO power active

BTW: Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
is damn annoying. Just need to say that once again. :/

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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Christophe M


 Can we look at the source code?
 ;-)




git clone git://git.litephone.org/litephone


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Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now

2009-09-10 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On automatic startup via paroli-autostart package, Paroli shows this to
 me:

 can't init service Wifi :
 org.moblin.connman.Error: .InvalidProperty

 Tried again by restarting paroli without reboot in between, then the
 error doesn't occur. Enabling wifi from paroli-settings seems to work,
 although Networks doesn't show any of them while iwlist scan is
 successful. Already had that problem on 2009t5...

 wifi.py 108 wifi     INFO     setting power of wifi device
 [...]
 wifi.py 116 wifi     INFO     new status active
 [...]
 wifi.py 200 wifi     INFO     power active

 BTW: Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
 without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
 is damn annoying. Just need to say that once again. :/


Im not sure we should do all settings in paroli.
The paroli-settings application was always meant
to be independant (but style matching) to paroli.

So I dont know the right place of wifi enabling/disabling, managing
is in paroli settings. Maybe we should reduce the settings to
change wallpaper(not implemented), color costumization (not implemented yet),
ringtone, volume adjustement, pin code enable/disable, roaming settings,
gprs settings, and thats about it.

Time settings, wifi Im not sure at all, paroli has any business in
these domains...

Anyway I should raise this question to the paroli mailing list, and see
what other paroli developers think.

In short: Im not really interested fixing wifi management inside paroli,
as I dont see a future of this setting.

Can you manage to get wifi working by other method? (shr settings, anything).

Best regards,
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Re: Evopedia 0.2.2

2009-09-10 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/8/31 Christian Reitwießner christ...@reitwiessner.de:
 Evopedia version 0.2.2 has been released. The major new feature is an
 interactive map of articles. Images for this map are automatically taken
 from downloaded map tiles of tangoGPS or from Openstreetmap.org if these
 cannot be found (and you are online). If you do not have any images and
 no internet connection, at least the articles are displayed at the right
 location (if the zoom level is high enough).

 Evopedia is an offline Wikipedia reader that can be viewed using any
 browser you like (midori is the default). You need to download a
 Wikipedia dump (apart from the software also available there) from

 http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html

 The following dump languages are available at the moment:
 Dutch, French, German, Italian and Spanish. Polish is currently in the
 queue.

i see there's no english version available yet. understandable with
the size. can you tell me what has to be done to create the file? do
you have a script?

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Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation

2009-09-10 Thread Frederik Sdun
* Aapo Rantalainen aapo.rantalai...@gmail.com [10.09.2009 09:21]:
 How reactive it is? I know the discussion about mokomaze but can this
 be used games/apps witch needs only arrow keys one at a time?
 
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This API is only for the Orientation of the phone. Not really fot that
kind of usage. 
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2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
Hi!

I just want to notice the list that the 2.6.31 final kernel is out.
Everybody was
waiting for it, to be able properly merge all patches floating around.

So I expect with the new kernel the following features:
* KMS
* BFS scheduler
* imporved wifi
* improved gprs
* improved resume time
* improved battery management, aka dump battery support
* No WSOD anymore for sure (not even in cold/warm or temperature change)
* improved everything.

Can the kernel developers let the community know, when new important
things happens? Is the new git structure is already in place?
Is the patches are revisited and cleaned up for the new kernel?
What patches didnt go upstream?

There are *many* interesting questions, which can be interested
to us, non kernel hackers.

Btw, who are the people behind it, who is responsible for what?
Some kind of summerization, and updates about the process
would be more then welcome on this link. (I think others agree
with me).

So start flow a bit of information to us, mortals;)

Best regards,
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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread c_c

Hi,

inlovewithshr wrote:
 
 It will let me insert the MAC into the address field
 and set it, but when I reopen the configuration it's blank again. 
 
  I thought I'd sorted that out - will take a look today.

inlovewithshr wrote:
 
  Another feature request would simply be a connect now
 button with a feedback of connected or failed so we can make sure it
 really is connected. 
 
  Ok, I'll look at adding that too.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 What for? Music playback or calls? 
 
  Calls mainly - but that will work for music playback too.

KaZeR wrote:
 
  record (and display the appropriate icon) messages which were sent but
 not yet delivered
 
  Progressing.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 - when pressing reply, refresh the conversation view so that the reply
 gets in it place in the thread
 
  Done.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 - do not diplay a popup which needs to be acquainted to confirm message
 delivery 
 
 Ok. I thought the icon wasn't obvious enough. I'll stop the popup and see
how it goes.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 Also, i have an issue (i already had it with the previous binary), here's
 the pattern
 
  I can see that here too - trying to fix it. Should be better once the
resend part is up.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 What about filtering the contact list?
 
  Adding categories soon.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 Would it be possible to hide the categories?
 
  Will add an option in the settings.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 The delete button on the main conversation view isn't really useful imo.
 
  True. A delete conv button on the sms view can suffice. Will change this.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 - version doesn't seem to be uptodate
 
  Thats the db version - not relevant unless there is a sb changes / error.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 - if something went wrong, the gui doesn't tell you, if you didn't start
 from console you can't know 
 
  Have popups now for most errors. Will release soon.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 In case it helps, for the can't reply issue : after replying, i don't see
 new messages until i restart launcher. 
 
  Something with the dbus. SMS needs more work as of now. 
Thanks for all the ideas.
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Re: udev rule for the freerunner or make usb networking enduser friendly

2009-09-10 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Olivier Migeot wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:41 AM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Hi,
   Same here - just a static ip for the fr's mac address on ubuntu works
  great for me.

 I've been on static IP for quite a while, but between work and home it
 was starting to get messy. With udhcpd, it's now much more convenient.
 I could even decide to change the Moko's network for something less
 common than 192.168.0.0 at no cost.

 The best would be to have a very light dhcpd daemon who only runs on
 USB insertion, serves only one address with a very long lease, and
 then dies after a few minutes. But maybe I'm dreaming there ;)

Check dnsmasq which is available in OE, and provides a lightweight caching DNS 
server and DHCP server. I don't know if it's in the SHR feeds or not, but it 
worked well when I tried it a while back.


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Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation

2009-09-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Thursday 10 September 2009 13:00:31 Frederik Sdun wrote:
 This API is only for the Orientation of the phone. Not really fot that
 kind of usage.

Correct. It's definitely not meant for real-time-handling, e.g. right now 
there's a delay of 1 second between the end of the movement and before the 
actual orientation gets sent. This is done on purpose to keep CPU consumption 
under control.

What we could experiment with (in addition to the delayed orientation signal) 
is detecting whacks, since these are characterized by a high force applied to 
one or two axes.

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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/9/10 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com

 I don't see any way to look at sent messages in litephone so maybe it's
 not as intuitive as it could be ;-)


Well it ain't no Iphone!!!
:-)
Go to messages and click filter.
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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Paul Fertser
Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com writes:
 So I expect with the new kernel the following features:
 * KMS

To be discussed with Thomas.

 * BFS scheduler

Who said it works any better? Do you understand that somebody will
have to rebase and tweak it every mainline release because it'll never
get upstream? Who proved it worth it?

 * imporved wifi

I don't know anybody who's going to invest real time into
rewriting/fixing driver, especially if there're userspace workarounds
present.

I, for once, am not really motivated unless Atheros gives us a way to
use more sane firmware

 * improved gprs

Kernel-unrelated

 * improved resume time

No idea, probably KMS will improve it a little bit.

 * improved battery management, aka dump battery support

Everything's already in .29.

 * No WSOD anymore for sure (not even in cold/warm or temperature
 change)

Say great thanks to Lars, i hope his patches will finally fix that.

 * improved everything.

Heh :-/

 Can the kernel developers let the community know, when new important
 things happens? Is the new git structure is already in place?
 Is the patches are revisited and cleaned up for the new kernel?
 What patches didnt go upstream?

A little bit later.

And small announcement to everybody:

I want to use OM trac to care about kernel and bootloader bugs. Only
category: System Software is relevant. I've already closed a whole
bunch of tickets, now it became manageable and contains some valueable
information.

Please report your problems (after making sure they're kernel-related)
there. Don't forget to specify exact kernel revision and preferably
steps to reproduce. And probably wait until .31 for FR is officially
announced, we would really need your feedback to bring it into shape.

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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:55 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:

  * imporved wifi
 
 I don't know anybody who's going to invest real time into
 rewriting/fixing driver, especially if there're userspace workarounds
 present.
 
 I, for once, am not really motivated unless Atheros gives us a way to
 use more sane firmware

I'd rather use no firmware at all ;)



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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote:
 * BFS scheduler

 Who said it works any better?

Michael Buesch says it performs 1.5 times better on an wl500 router:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125233663823328w=2

Cyanogen tried out with Android+Freerunner:
http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/3836404163
One last thing.. you know the lag you get when your phone rings and
it doesn't display right away? Yeah thats gone now.

Thomas White:
 It's difficult to say, really.  I haven't done any scientific tests,
but it feels a little faster in some areas (suspend/resume, Illume
sliders and toggles), and pretty much the same in most other places.


Thank you for the updates! Im really looking forward to report 2.6.31
related bugs to
the bugtracker!;))

Best regards,
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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Joseph Reeves
* improved everything.

I think this is the least we could expect! ;-)

But yes, I'm also interested as a non-kernel person about hearing
what's happening in that area. Could it go in the community updates?

Thanks all, keep up the good work :)



2009/9/10 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com:
 Hi!

 I just want to notice the list that the 2.6.31 final kernel is out.
 Everybody was
 waiting for it, to be able properly merge all patches floating around.

 So I expect with the new kernel the following features:
 * KMS
 * BFS scheduler
 * imporved wifi
 * improved gprs
 * improved resume time
 * improved battery management, aka dump battery support
 * No WSOD anymore for sure (not even in cold/warm or temperature change)
 * improved everything.

 Can the kernel developers let the community know, when new important
 things happens? Is the new git structure is already in place?
 Is the patches are revisited and cleaned up for the new kernel?
 What patches didnt go upstream?

 There are *many* interesting questions, which can be interested
 to us, non kernel hackers.

 Btw, who are the people behind it, who is responsible for what?
 Some kind of summerization, and updates about the process
 would be more then welcome on this link. (I think others agree
 with me).

 So start flow a bit of information to us, mortals;)

 Best regards,
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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Vinzenz Hersche
 
  * improved resume time
 
 No idea, probably KMS will improve it a little bit.
may i'm wrong, but wasn't radek wrote something like the 2.6.30-kernel uses 
about 20% less ram on his moko? (is this kms? haven't a fully clear head now 
:p )

 
anyway, think, the update could be usefull and could make things faster.. also 
the new tools to look into the ressource could be interessting (may to 
optimise things and detect ressource-killers..)

i also would like it to use them soon on the moko.. :)


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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Abelenda
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:06:55 +0200
Raphaël Jacquot sxp...@sxpert.org wrote:

 On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:55 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
 
   * imporved wifi
  
  I don't know anybody who's going to invest real time into
  rewriting/fixing driver, especially if there're userspace
  workarounds present.
  
  I, for once, am not really motivated unless Atheros gives us a way
  to use more sane firmware
 
 I'd rather use no firmware at all ;)
 

Well... it's a full MAC device so having a firmware is a good thing :p

but having an opensource firmware would be the best thing, especially
if there are problems with the current one.


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Re: udev rule for the freerunner or make usb networking enduser friendly

2009-09-10 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:

 Check dnsmasq which is available in OE, and provides a lightweight caching DNS
 server and DHCP server. I don't know if it's in the SHR feeds or not, but it
 worked well when I tried it a while back.

How lighter could it be than a /bin/busybox symlink? ;)

Plus I don't really need the DNS part. But thanks anyway.

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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread KaZeR

A few more, in case you already got bored ;)

- when selecting configure, exiting, you can't reselect configure unless you
select another item from the scrollbar at the bottom
- when setting the BT headset address, it's not displayed when you re-enter
the configuration screen later
- long-received messages are truncated, i can't see the end (instead i see
??? at the end of the first part
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Re: Evopedia 0.2.2

2009-09-10 Thread Christian
Robin Paulson schrieb:
 2009/8/31 Christian Reitwießner christ...@reitwiessner.de:
 Evopedia version 0.2.2 has been released. The major new feature is an
 interactive map of articles. Images for this map are automatically taken
 from downloaded map tiles of tangoGPS or from Openstreetmap.org if these
 cannot be found (and you are online). If you do not have any images and
 no internet connection, at least the articles are displayed at the right
 location (if the zoom level is high enough).

 Evopedia is an offline Wikipedia reader that can be viewed using any
 browser you like (midori is the default). You need to download a
 Wikipedia dump (apart from the software also available there) from

 http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html

 The following dump languages are available at the moment:
 Dutch, French, German, Italian and Spanish. Polish is currently in the
 queue.

By the way, the dump of the Polish Wikipedia is ready now.

 i see there's no english version available yet. understandable with
 the size. can you tell me what has to be done to create the file? do
 you have a script?

If you want, you can try to create the dump. The software I use can be
downloaded at
http://vitels.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/dump_software_source/

There is a modified mediawiki installation, just extract it somewhere,
you only need php, no running webserver (but it could make sense for
testing the mediawiki installation).
Furthermore, there is another archive containing the dump script and
some other utilities. You have to set some variables in the dump script
and of course create the mysql tables for mediawiki.

Perhaps the dump procedure can be optimized but currently it should take
quite a long time to dump the English Wikipedia. I think dumping the
German Wikipedia took a week.

Please contact me if you have any further questions. Though I think we
should not do this via the list then.

Kind regards,
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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread c_c

Hi,

KaZeR wrote:
 
 A few more, in case you already got bored ;)
 
  :-D - Well, not even close...

KaZeR wrote:
 
 - when selecting configure, exiting, you can't reselect configure unless
 you select another item from the scrollbar at the bottom
 
  The toolbar doesn't have the always select option that the genlists have.
Actually, I don't think toolbars were designed to be used for such things
;-)

KaZeR wrote:
 
 - when setting the BT headset address, it's not displayed when you
 re-enter the configuration screen later
 
  Yup. In progress.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 - long-received messages are truncated, i can't see the end (instead i see
 ??? at the end of the first part
 
  They seem to work here. DO you have the latest opim? Actually, this
feature is for free in opimd. I'll check again though. 
  Was your message  550 letters? I arbitrarily set that as the limit. Will
increase it - if we're already hitting the boundary. Though SMS stands for
short messaging service ;-)
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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Patryk Benderz
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 But yes, I'm also interested as a non-kernel person about hearing
 what's happening in that area. Could it go in the community updates?
You are more than welcome to add content :)
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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Radek Polak
Vinzenz Hersche wrote:

 wasn't radek wrote something like the 2.6.30-kernel uses 
 about 20% less ram on his moko? (is this kms? haven't a fully clear head now 
 :p )

That could be different kernel config. And it was much faster because
the Qtopia bug didnt appear on this bug. But otherwise subjectively the
new kernel performed really well except guess what - WSOD. I had it on
every suspend. But it could be that i have done something wrong. I am
now waiting for 2.6.31 to try it out again.

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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Joseph Reeves
 You are more than welcome to add content :)

Don't think it would be very insightful comment though ;-)



2009/9/10 Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl:
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 But yes, I'm also interested as a non-kernel person about hearing
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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread KaZeR



c_c wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 KaZeR wrote:
 
 A few more, in case you already got bored ;)
 
   :-D - Well, not even close...
 

hehe :)


c_c wrote:
 
 
 KaZeR wrote:
 
 - long-received messages are truncated, i can't see the end (instead i
 see ??? at the end of the first part
 
   They seem to work here. DO you have the latest opim? Actually, this
 feature is for free in opimd. I'll check again though. 
   Was your message  550 letters? I arbitrarily set that as the limit.
 Will increase it - if we're already hitting the boundary. Though SMS
 stands for short messaging service ;-)
 


MMm, i have no opim package, and i believe it's part of the framework.



 frameworkd - 0.9.5.9+gitr1684+0c4b12c4df42699e0d4c74db65b8e00e4f611d13-r0
 - 
 frameworkd-config-shr -
 0.9.5.9+gitr1684+0c4b12c4df42699e0d4c74db65b8e00e4f611d13-187+ee8d21beae597778056fa83168f9aa571720821b-r7
 - 
 libframeworkd-glib0 -
 0.0.1+gitr98+680276e4cddabeb1edd088ddd421f363dd106a50-r1 - 
 libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 -
 0.0.2+gitr758+9e3a8eb9cdcb848b28be0883c5f7a35a27dce649-r32 - 
 libframeworkd-phonegui0 -
 0.0.2+gitr758+9e3a8eb9cdcb848b28be0883c5f7a35a27dce649-r9 - 
 libfsoframework0 -
 0.1.0.0+gitr423+1e814417cae6470cc9c9c2b48f896fdfcf1f3318-r6.2 - 
 

They were shorter than 550, around 200 i believe (one is an automated
message where i only miss around 20 chars.

But they seem to be truncated also in opim.. I had a look using mdbus :
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/53
org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message.GetContent shows the first part, with the 
???. I haven't been able to find the second part yet.


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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread William Kenworthy
Qi, uboot or both?  I am using a 2.6.28 kernel and only get WSOD when
using Qi.  After booting using Qi, suspends often give flashes on the
screen after it has gone dark, but before it suspends or as it actually
powers down.  This does not happen on uboot

I know Qi (and uboot) are not supposed to affect anything after its
passed control over to the kernel, but it looks like its not presetting
something that uboot does, and the kernel doesnt know about.

I am happy that after swapping between uboot and Qi every week or so,
that Qi, or something it does, or doesnt do allows WSOD's to occur.

So if you get WSOD's, can you state here if you are using Qi, and if
they stop when using uboot.

If I am not the only data point for this, it might be easier to fix if
others can add their input.  If I am not alone in this observation, I'll
add it to the bug tracker.

BillK


On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:28 +0200, Radek Polak wrote:
 Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
 
  wasn't radek wrote something like the 2.6.30-kernel uses 
  about 20% less ram on his moko? (is this kms? haven't a fully clear head 
  now 
  :p )
 
 That could be different kernel config. And it was much faster because
 the Qtopia bug didnt appear on this bug. But otherwise subjectively the
 new kernel performed really well except guess what - WSOD. I had it on
 every suspend. But it could be that i have done something wrong. I am
 now waiting for 2.6.31 to try it out again.
 
 Radek
 
 
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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Radek Polak
William Kenworthy wrote:

 Qi, uboot or both?

Don't remember if Qi but uboot from NOR did it.

   I am using a 2.6.28 kernel and only get WSOD when
 using Qi. 

When using current andy-tracking I dont have WSOD with neither.

 If I am not the only data point for this, it might be easier to fix if
 others can add their input.  If I am not alone in this observation, I'll
 add it to the bug tracker.

As i said, it was 2.6.30 (taken from openwrt) not current andy-tracking.
So probably it's not time yet to report until it becomes official
openmoko kernel (and it could by caused by someting wrong on my side).

Regards

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Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware
I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list.

Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try
and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find
appropriate hardware?  Of course, there are various notions of open
hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for
example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users.  Also it
might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the
company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles.

I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating,
maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ...

Any hint?


Stefan


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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread KaZeR

I'm back :D

When sending a sms to a contact, from the contact list, who hasn't yet his
own discussion :
- after sending, you are back to the new message creation dialog. It should
either be closed, or you should be sent to the discussion view.
- when this contact replies, it leads to two conversations, with the same
name. 1st one contains outgoing message, 2nd one contains reply.

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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Fox Mulder
William Kenworthy wrote:
 Qi, uboot or both?  I am using a 2.6.28 kernel and only get WSOD when
 using Qi.  After booting using Qi, suspends often give flashes on the
 screen after it has gone dark, but before it suspends or as it actually
 powers down.  This does not happen on uboot
 
 I know Qi (and uboot) are not supposed to affect anything after its
 passed control over to the kernel, but it looks like its not presetting
 something that uboot does, and the kernel doesnt know about.
 
 I am happy that after swapping between uboot and Qi every week or so,
 that Qi, or something it does, or doesnt do allows WSOD's to occur.
 
 So if you get WSOD's, can you state here if you are using Qi, and if
 they stop when using uboot.
 
 If I am not the only data point for this, it might be easier to fix if
 others can add their input.  If I am not alone in this observation, I'll
 add it to the bug tracker.
 
 BillK
My experience with qi so far is very good. I use qi for quite some time
now and with latest shr-u kernel i get no WSOD at all. My last WSOD was
months ago. I use suspend all the time and also do longer suspend
periods like 4 days in a row and never experienced any problems. I
update shr every few days.
I don't know which version of qi i currently have flashed but it is
around two months old.

Ciao,
 Rainer

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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread KaZeR

Another small idea : display, on the main conversation view, if the lastest
message was ingoing or outgoing. Useful to see if you're up-to-date in your
answers, since there is some free space in this screen.
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Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread rakshat hooja
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.cawrote:

 While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware
 I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list.

 Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try
 and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find
 appropriate hardware?  Of course, there are various notions of open
 hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for
 example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users.  Also it
 might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the
 company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles.

 I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating,
 maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ...

 Any hint?


Stefan



Someone mentioned something similar on the qi-hardware developer list. I
think its a good idea for a tree of (near) open hardware projects be
developed. Any volunteers?  cofundus project?
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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 9/10/09, Thomas Zimmermann zimmerm...@vdm-design.de wrote:
 Am Donnerstag 10 September 2009 11:00:59 schrieb arne anka:
 after having trashed my debian/fso for the moment, i decided to try out
 shr for a while until i get fso working again.
 while i try to read almost all mails on community, i can't claim to have
 followed the shr development that close.
 i got some first impressions i'd like to share -- if they are addressed
 already, simply ignore them, if i miss something point it out.

 skin is illume-shr since i figured it would fit the freerunner's screen
 best.
 version is the image from august 8th with the matching kernel (what are
 the modules for?) without any updates so far, thus probably some of my
 complaints are addressed already.

 - imo the default font is far to big -- i set it to small but got the
 distinct impression that illume crashes really often now, luckely enough
 mostly it recovers, i had to reboot only once or twice because it locked
 hard (fso still worked, since the screen blanked and the fr suspended).
 - with the default font the x crashed screen and some settings screens
 are unreadable since a lot of text is invisible
 - the font setting is a) to big for the screen and b) confusing. from the
 plethora of options i am unable to decide, which is the one i want (having
 very small columns with only the first letter visible does not help
 either) -- switching to landscape helped only marginally and left me with
 a corrupted screen after switching back to porttrait (coordinates where
 still landscape and the lower part of the screen, 480 were ... gaudy)
 - basic preview text
 - scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too close
 to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without knowing
 what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than once
 while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main menu
 - i tried to minimize the font of the clock in the top shelf -- it is
 somewhat affected by the size setting of top shelf gadgets, but far from
 sufficient. while that signal level gadget and the battery gadget are
 minimized into illegibility, the clock still is big (about 4/5 of the
 shelf height, while the other gadgets are less than 1/2), overlays
 signal/battery and is cut off at the top slightly (since it is not
 vertically centered but aligns to the top). only setting the actual
 date/time is possible, font used or font size are not.
 - bottom shelf seems not to be affected by changing the shel size, it
 seems to retain the very same height as before, but the font displaying
 loading gets smaller

 i think, i'll attempt an update tonight and see, what changes.

 All thing's, expect for shr-settings, are e releated so they won't change
 (soon).
 And shr-settings layout hasn't changed since 8.8. too, so an update won't
 change anything you mentioned.

 Thomas

I think he mean Illume wrench settings, not SHR Settings.

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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread arne anka
 - scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too  
 close
 to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without  
 knowing
 what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than  
 once
 while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main  
 menu

 I think he mean Illume wrench settings, not SHR Settings.

i f you refer to the quote above: that's about the settings app, ie, the  
thing you get at the desktop, not the top shelf wrench.


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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 9/10/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 * improved resume time

Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power
button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I
don't think less is really needed :P

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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread arne anka
 * improved resume time

 Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power
 button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I
 don't think less is really needed :P

1 sec is pretty long if a call comes in.


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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/9/10 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de

  * improved resume time
 
  Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power
  button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I
  don't think less is really needed :P

 1 sec is pretty long if a call comes in.


It's 1.7sec here (shr-u). I'd love to have faster resume.
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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
 2009/9/10 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com

  Thanks a million for the update. I tried litephone on SHR-U for the
  first time yesterday and tried to send a text message test message
  hello. That got displayed in litephone as ttes meessag hello which I
  thought was funny as. I was going to ask if there were any updates or
  where the repository was today. You beat me to it downloading now ;-)

 Can you go to sent messages and see what has been sent? My guess is that
 you typed in the misspelled message using  the predictive illume keyboard.
 Someone has already reported this, and my guess is the bug is somewhere
 between illume and qt (maybe the fakekey events get swapped because illume
 sends them all without a delay or something).

Sounds to me like the Qt input event reordering bug, but I thought it would be 
fixed by now.

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Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)

2009-09-10 Thread c_c

Hi,

KaZeR wrote:
 
 When sending a sms to a contact, from the contact list, who hasn't yet his
 own discussion :
 - after sending, you are back to the new message creation dialog. It
 should either be closed, or you should be sent to the discussion view.
 
  Done. Try the attached binary.

KaZeR wrote:
 
 - when this contact replies, it leads to two conversations, with the same
 name. 1st one contains outgoing message, 2nd one contains reply.
 
  Needs some more work. Will do that soon. Actually that's happening because
the phone no's are different. Your address book and the number sent by the
service provider differ sometimes in the prefix. My number matching routine
needs more work

KaZeR wrote:
 
 Another small idea : display, on the main conversation view, if the
 lastest message was ingoing or outgoing.
 
  Nice Idea. Done!!

  The attached binary should be more reliable in sending sms's. It adds
sms's to the conversation even if they aren't sent. I'll complete the retry
part tomorrow. 
  
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3617911/launcher launcher 
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Re: udev rule for the freerunner or make usb networking enduser friendly

2009-09-10 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Olivier Migeot wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  Check dnsmasq which is available in OE, and provides a lightweight
  caching DNS server and DHCP server. I don't know if it's in the SHR feeds
  or not, but it worked well when I tried it a while back.

 How lighter could it be than a /bin/busybox symlink? ;)

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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 9/10/09, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
 - scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too
 close
 to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without
 knowing
 what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than
 once
 while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main
 menu

 I think he mean Illume wrench settings, not SHR Settings.

 i f you refer to the quote above: that's about the settings app, ie, the
 thing you get at the desktop, not the top shelf wrench.

Then where do you have any OK button? And scrolling in SHR Settings
is done just like in other elementary apps, I don't have any problems
with it and to be honest I can't see how you can have problems like
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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread arne anka
 Then where do you have any OK button?

ok, it's called quit.

 And scrolling in SHR Settings
 is done just like in other elementary apps,

the scrolling as such is not an issue (though you might refer to som way  
alien to me, since i never used any elementary apps. but i noticed,  
probably in the wrench settings, views with old-fashioned scrollbars, so  
there are at least two ways to scroll in e apps, aren't there?)
if i set down the stylus and draw and a button changes its color while  
drawing, is strongly suspect it to do something i did not intend.
and when i try to scroll down fully i nearly with necessity reach the  
lower border and thus the quit button. while i am stiil not sure, if the  
buttons touched while scrolling do something -- quit does, absolutely.  
and i don't really intend to quit the view when i scroll down.

 I don't have any problems
 with it and to be honest I can't see how you can have problems like
 described... ;x

can't help you there.
having some kind of border (configurable right or left and bottom) where  
no active elemts are placed would definitely help.

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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 9/10/09, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
 Then where do you have any OK button?

 ok, it's called quit.

 And scrolling in SHR Settings
 is done just like in other elementary apps,

 the scrolling as such is not an issue (though you might refer to som way
 alien to me, since i never used any elementary apps. but i noticed,
 probably in the wrench settings, views with old-fashioned scrollbars, so
 there are at least two ways to scroll in e apps, aren't there?)

Old-fashioned scrollbars aren't from elementary, it's own e-wm
theme/functionality AFAIK.

 if i set down the stylus and draw and a button changes its color while
 drawing, is strongly suspect it to do something i did not intend.
 and when i try to scroll down fully i nearly with necessity reach the
 lower border and thus the quit button. while i am stiil not sure, if the
 buttons touched while scrolling do something -- quit does, absolutely.
 and i don't really intend to quit the view when i scroll down.

Such active buttons (clicked, and then started to scroll) doesn't do
anything while scrolling, so everything is ok, and you can't close
window while scrolling. Really, I can't see any problem here :(

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Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation

2009-09-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 is now working in the first version. Here's an example output of mdbus -s -l 
 where I have (orientation status in brackets):
 * put the Neo on to the table (flat faceup),
 * took it and put it up-side-down back on the table (flat facedown),
 * took it and operated it for a bit (held faceup portrait normal),
 * rotated it to read some text (held faceup landscape normal),
 * and put it back on the table with the display visible (flat faceup).
 
 See also 
 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.html;hb=HEAD
 
 
 
 r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# mdbus -s -l
 listening for signals on SystemBus from service 'all', object 'all'...
  [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom 
 :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation
 ('flat faceup ',)
  [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom 
 :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation
 ('facedown ',)
  [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom 
 :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation
 ('held faceup portrait normal ',)
  [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom 
 :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation
 ('landscape ',)
  [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom 
 :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation
 ('flat ',)
 
 
 
 To play with that, you need to download install a fsodeviced from HEAD (and 
 all its dependencies) and activate the accelerometer plugin in 
 /etc/frameworkd.conf:
 
 [fsodeviced]
 log_level = DEBUG
 log_to = stderr
 
 [fsodevice]
 [fsodevice.accelerometer]
 device_type = lis302
 movement_idle_threshold = 15
 movement_busy_threshold = 100
 [fsodevice.accelerometer_lis302]
 inputnode = /input/event2
 
 Note that you have to stop frameworkd for this experiments as fsodeviced is 
 using the same busname as odeviced (of course... it's supposed to be a 
 drop-in 
 replacement soon).
 
 I hope we'll see some cool things with that now. I for one am planning to 
 connect 'flat facedown' to suspend via oeventsd :)
 
 Cheers,
 
 :M:
 
 
 
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Re: [SHR-unstable] Failing to get a GPS fix on FSO. Ublox works..

2009-09-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:05:53AM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote:
 
  Did you reboot twice? You need to do so!
 
 Have rebooted ~twice a day for about a week now :) (I've had the SHR
 installation for ~week)
 
 - that doesn't solve this.
 
 (and OK, I have some stuff installed and it's not a clean SHR so can't
 really confirm without reflashing..)

I did an opkg upgrade a couple of days ago and rebooted only once.

Things appeared to be working, but they weren't really working that well.

After a second reboot it worked (as) fine as ever since.

Rui

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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
  Then where do you have any OK button?
 
 ok, it's called quit.

And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a
few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps.

One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable
eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way
(panel, click on close).

Rui

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Re: USB Networking disabled

2009-09-10 Thread Neil M. Stewart
I now have it working. I changed the USB networking related features
including cdc-ether as built-in, as opposed to modules, which was the
original configuration.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:31 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
 - is cdc-ether built-in or a module?
 - how do you make sure it is not recognized? syslog?
 - das the log say anything at all about usb?
 - what exactly are you seeing when pluggin in the fr on the host side?

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Where can I buy miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapters in Ca nada?

2009-09-10 Thread Brolin Empey
Hello list,

A few days ago, I was chatting with DocScrutinizer in #openmoko on FreeNode
about using a USB → Ethernet adapter to connect my FreeRunner directly to my
Ethernet LAN.  DocScrutinizer told me I need a miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapter
or a cable like this:

http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=971535

Where can I buy such an adapter or cable in Canada?  I live in the Lower
Mainland of British Columbia, Canada.  I already checked some local computer
stores (NCIX, A-Power) and a distributor (ACP Marketing), but none appear to
have what I need.  I know there is at least one other list member who lives
in the Lower Mainland, and there must be other Canadian members even if they
live elsewhere in Canada.

Thanks,
Brolin

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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Matthias Huber
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak schrieb:
 On 9/10/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 * improved resume time
 

 Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power
 button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I
 don't think less is really needed :P

   
Hmmm  it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring
and get a GREEN Button.
Don't think, this is fast.

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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:12:35PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
   Then where do you have any OK button?
  
  ok, it's called quit.
 
 And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a
 few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps.
 
 One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable
 eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way
 (panel, click on close).

Nharga...

One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable
real estate and you can close the window easily with an alternative way
(panel, click on close).

Rui

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Re: Where can I buy miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapte rs in Canada?

2009-09-10 Thread Tony McKeehan
No, you need something like this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812150048

and you can find them basically anywhere. I've accrued about 7+ over the 
years, from digital cameras, hubs, cell phones, etc, etc. Even the FR 
came with one.

-Tonym

Brolin Empey wrote:
 Hello list,

 A few days ago, I was chatting with DocScrutinizer in #openmoko on 
 FreeNode about using a USB → Ethernet adapter to connect my FreeRunner 
 directly to my Ethernet LAN.  DocScrutinizer told me I need a 
 miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapter or a cable like this:

 http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=971535

 Where can I buy such an adapter or cable in Canada?  I live in the 
 Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada.  I already checked some 
 local computer stores (NCIX, A-Power) and a distributor (ACP 
 Marketing), but none appear to have what I need.  I know there is at 
 least one other list member who lives in the Lower Mainland, and there 
 must be other Canadian members even if they live elsewhere in Canada.

 Thanks,
 Brolin

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RE: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Russell Dwiggins
3-4 rings here.  I didn't realize that folks thought the resume time was
already sufficient.

 

Russell Dwiggins

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak schrieb: 

On 9/10/09, Laszlo KREKACS  mailto:laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com
laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
  

* improved resume time


 
Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power
button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I
don't think less is really needed :P
 
  

Hmmm  it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring and
get a GREEN Button.
Don't think, this is fast.

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Re: Where can I buy miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapte rs in Canada?

2009-09-10 Thread Matthias Huber


What your friend ment to say is:

you need a usb-mini (Male:=Standard) to Usb-Type A(this is the big flat
one)-FEMALE (same as in your usb-hub) Adapter.
So you can plug  any Device with its standard cable.

There are other solutions, for example a USB-Mini to USB-Type B and an
Hub with that Tyoe B.



Brolin Empey schrieb:
 Hello list,

 A few days ago, I was chatting with DocScrutinizer in #openmoko on
 FreeNode about using a USB → Ethernet adapter to connect my FreeRunner
 directly to my Ethernet LAN.  DocScrutinizer told me I need a
 miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapter or a cable like this:

 http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=971535

 Where can I buy such an adapter or cable in Canada?  I live in the
 Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada.  I already checked some
 local computer stores (NCIX, A-Power) and a distributor (ACP
 Marketing), but none appear to have what I need.  I know there is at
 least one other list member who lives in the Lower Mainland, and there
 must be other Canadian members even if they live elsewhere in Canada.


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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/9/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org


 One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable
 real estate and you can close the window easily with an alternative way
 (panel, click on close).


Good point. Apps also shouldn't have a fullscreen button. There should be a
fullscreen option in illume itself, so you can do it to any app you want.


 Rui

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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Dan Staley
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fmwrote:

 2009/9/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org


 One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable
 real estate and you can close the window easily with an alternative way
 (panel, click on close).


 Good point. Apps also shouldn't have a fullscreen button. There should be a
 fullscreen option in illume itself, so you can do it to any app you want.


  Rui



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I like these ideas...but how would you get out of a fullscreen app?  or
close a full screen app if it didnt have a close or un-fullscreen option in
the app itself?

-Dan Staley
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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/9/10 Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.com


 I like these ideas...but how would you get out of a fullscreen app?  or
 close a full screen app if it didnt have a close or un-fullscreen option in
 the app itself?

 -Dan Staley


With gestures. Let me do some marketing here :-)

Litemoko puts every app fullscreen. You switch between apps or close them
with simple gestures. This way my FR has about 8mm more usable screen space
on the top, because I don't need the illume top panel. And I don't need to
stick my finger in the corner to switch apps. Closing apps is also faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjbgiE6GU5U
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litemoko
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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

2009-09-10 Thread Warren Baird
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Matthias Huber 
matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote:

 Hmmm  it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring
 and get a GREEN Button.
 Don't think, this is fast.


Which distro?   I used to have this problem with OM2008 - I missed a bunch
of calls because of it and then switched to QTEI.   I've since tried OM2009
and am now using SHR-U, without this issue.

If I call myself from a land line using SHR-U, I see the screen turn on at
exactly the same time as I hear the ring on the land-line, and the FR starts
to ring before the first ring on the landline finishes.  I don't have a
stop-watch, but it certainly seems fast enough.

I *think* that this is related to the kernel logging - there are
instructions floating around on how to turn off/down the kernel logging
which might help.

Warren



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Re: QtMoko images V9

2009-09-10 Thread Kahless
Radek Polak wrote:

 So enjoy, thanks to everyone who helped with this release and let
 me know how you like it.

 Cheers

 Radek
   

Hi Radek

as always, i love QtMoko!
It's fast, stable and reliable, even GPRS works out of the box here. :)

The only thing that doesn't really work is Bluetooth. ATM it seems to 
survive suspend/resume and my Headset is identified and paired. But 
QtMoko doesn't use it while phoning.

I can hear a small buzz (like phone without signal) but it doesn't work, 
even when i switch to bluetooth Headset via Options in the lower left.

Are there any plans to fix that in the future (even when QtMoko v9 is 
the last one)?

Greetings

Sascha


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Re: CellHunters data integrated in OpenCellID

2009-09-10 Thread Sebastian Hammerl
Hi,

nice to hear.

I think with all this collected data we can start something cool :)

Greetings, Sebastian Hammerl

Thomas Landspurg schrieb:
   Hello everybody,

   Just to inform that we have succesfully integrated CellHunters data
 into the OpenCellID database. The database is now more than 570 000
 cells for 48 310 000 measures

   The signal strengh field hase been imported, as well the gname wich
 is the name of the team who have created the measures.

   So thanks to Sebastian Hammer of CellsHunter for helping me and to
 all the cell hunters! ;)


   

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OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?

2009-09-10 Thread Brolin Empey
Hello list,

Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I
recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male.  I am 22 and still live with
my parents.  I have never lived away from my parents.  I am planning to hire
a support worker to help me live away from my parents (I have another
meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely defer trying to live
away from my parents.  I named my form of procrastination “priority
inversion” because what is, in practical terms, my lowest priority, becomes
my highest priority.  For example, I choose to spend my free time playing
with my computers, including my FreeRunner, instead of learning about human
biology and/or nutrition, which will affect me every day of my life, and at
least trying to live away from my parents.  When I say I play with my
computers, I do not mean gaming:  I almost never play games anymore.  Even
when I decide I want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading
about games, viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of
the endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have
a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game.  I feel
like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and
stimulation in the Too Much Information Age.  I always feel like the NET
Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than
ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice, etc.  I
recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine, which is
constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its database.  I have
Asperger’s Syndrome, but can function much better, at least in terms of
interacting with people in person, than when I was in high school, for
example.  I used to often feel like I had social anxiety disorder because I
would get so anxious and/or worried even when calling someone on the phone
(on my parents’s landline because I did not have a cell phone until 2008)
that I could not speak clearly enough for the person on the other end to
understand me, so I would always have to repeat myself at least once for
every turn of the conversation.  I am a purist and have been called the most
pedantic person in the world by Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and
Netscape/Mozilla fame. :)  Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if
know what is meant from the context.  For example, I am bothered by people
mentioning a “standard” transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual
transmission.  Standard depends on the vehicle.  Automatic is standard for
some vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat *panel*) a “flat screen”
(high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN
number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy
gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is a
service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an
accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me to
“select octane” instead of “select ctane” (sp?) or “select fuel grade”.  My
car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine.  I have been highly influenced by my
father, Brian Empey.  Brian is a Professional Engineer (Electrical
Engineering).  He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol) in 1996 with
his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee Schellenberg).  Techsol is
an embedded computer hardware company specialising in Linux on ARM
architecture.  I am very fortunate to be able to work at Techsol.  I am a
Linux + Windows System Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer
person.  I think my responsibiles are more important than my title(s).  I
know I am very dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which
I bought from my dad), have a Class 7 driver’s licence (the Novice stage of
the Graduated Licensing Program in British Columbia, Canada.  I live in the
Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada), my own credit union account,
debit (Interac) card, MasterCard credit card, personal cheques
(*not*checks!), which I almost never use (I think I have written a
total of 3
cheques in my life), cell phones (Nokia 6103b + FreeRunner), PayPal account,
domain names (brolin.be + others), Virtual Private Server (VPS), which hosts
my personal Web site, PCs and peripherals, far too many original/boxed PC
games, which I almost never play anymore, bicycle, ... I am definitely a
relatively rich/wealthy person in Canada and extremely wealthy compared to
less fortunate people in both developed and developing countries.  I know I
should not complain because I am very fortunate;  I know my life could
always be *much* worse, even if I lack much first-hand experience of how
much worse it could be.

Anyway, enough rambling.  I need to finally address the Subject of this
message (I hope at least 1 person actually read this far!).  How/where can I
meet a female companion *in person* with similar interests and personality?
Someone who can appreciate my 

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Hi,

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
 AFAIK, OpenBmap is told to import data from other projects

We have imported the opencellid data once, to bring right now better 
coverage to the users. But this is supposed to be temporary. The target 
being to have only openBmap data or data from projects which share the 
level of quality we aim at.

 AFAIK, OpenBmap was started because of different views about important
 data to collect between OpenCellID and OpenBMap devels.
 

Yes, we want the data to be of the best possible quality. This implies 
logging more details. And we try to make the clients sticking to this.

 1) if OpenBMap imports from other projects, why it's missing the 7milj
 cellhunter cells?

There are not 7 M cells. 140K or so I think. And at the time of the last 
import, no cellhunter data had made their way to opencellid database 
yet. But it was planned by cellhunter, thus we did not want to have to 
import them, and have to solve the conflicts when importing opencellid 
(embedding cellhunter data).

 2) AFAIK There are no tools to benefit from the collected data yet

I am working on a D-Bus service giving your location on your phone, 
note/net-book using an embedded database. Help is welcome :-)

 3) Can't see a OpenCellID client for Freerunner
 

Opencellid said there is... I think he referred to cellhunter, because 
cellhunter said he would upload the data from his project to opencellid 
on a regular basis.

 I earlier tried CellHunter, didn't work. For me OpenBmap is just
 easiest to use. 

Partly thanks to your feedback that I have tried to take into account. 
Thanks for this!

Onen


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Re: Litephone 0.1

2009-09-10 Thread Vikas Saurabh
 If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on
 www.litephone.org

I am using SHR-U but for litephone had always been crashing on bootup.
I have already filed a bug [1] for this. Was wondering if I am the
only one facing the issue???

--Vikas

[1]: http://www.litephone.org/ticket/2

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Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Hi Thomas,

Thomas Landspurg wrote:
   Hello Risto,
 
   Here is a few facts from such FAQ:
 

Not all accurate, though.

  Most of the cells from OpenBMap are coming from OpenCellID (the
 'untrusted ones')
 

Absolutely correct. Number is on your side.

  One of the main difference from the three is that only OpenCellID
 provides a complete access to the data and the measures.
 

Does cellhunter not provide access to all the collected data?

OpenBmap has on his main page the link to download all the data files, 
exactly as sent by the users. This is a fact you may have checked 
easily, or asked.

For me the main difference between the projects, is that openBmap is 
focusing on the quality of the data.

  OpenCellId added a CVS uploader to import bulk CSV data files
 mainly to be compatible with the OpenBMap logger. I just don't have
 any OpenMoko phone to test it.
 

Do you mean cellhunter?

   I've been out of the mailing list from some time because I am not
 involved in the OpenMoko community (I am more involved in J2ME and
 others platforms), but I would be happy to reactivate the integration
 effort. 

Yes, glad you came back after I contacted you about three weeks ago, in 
order to reopen the dialog.

Onen


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FW: [balr...@gmail.com: Re: Mplayer patch for glamo MPEG decoder]

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Jansa
Hi community,

is there someone brave enough to continue with balrogg's work?

- Forwarded message from andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com -

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:33:49 +0200
Subject: Re: Mplayer patch for glamo MPEG decoder
From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com
To: Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com

Hi Martin,

2009/9/8 Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com:
 I've updated them for latest mplayer code and used them in OE repo.
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-July/051593.html

Many thanks, I've merged your changes into master of that fork repo.
Let me know what your username is if you want to use that repository
for development.


 Thomas White (developer of glamo DRI driver with KMS support) suggested
 to use DRI for this MPEG decoder access. I'm not as experienced as you
 are, my skills and time were hardly enough for merging your patch with
 modified configure/Makefile and few other small changes in upstream.

Yes, I think using that DRI for the decoder access would be the way to
go, also perhaps using one of the new frameworks that popped up in
mplayer.  Unforunately I won't have to time to work on that and I
might not have the required skills either, I've never done advanced
graphics stuff.


 Are you still interested in mplayer glamo code? Have you tried to push
 your patches upstream (I haven't found any e-mail about that in mplayer
 ML)?

I've never tried to push them because I wasn't sure my approach was
correct, I suppose the use of the hwmp4 codec that I added has now
either been obsoleted upstream by a similar codec added by somebody
else or there is some new entire frame that obsoletes all the
passthrough codecs.  Now I won't have time to work on it and the other
demotivator is that the number of GTA02s that have been produced with
the glamo chip is limited and the new models I hear will not have it.

Thanks for your work on making the mplayer fork usable on Neo so far.

Cheers

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Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Leonti Bielski wrote:
 So how good or bad the data from Cellhunter project?

Please see the nice work from Christian Gagneraud in the archive about 
comparison of what's get logged/stored by CH, OBM and OCI
logger/database:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049238.html

Onen


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Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Thomas Landspurg wrote:
   Again , and clarifiacation:
 
  ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells),
 the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;)
 
 
  OpenCellID: 433 574 cells
  CellHunter:  148 943 cells
  OpenBMap:  82 963 cells
 
  (sorry for talking the risk of being the 'bad' guy agin, but at the
 end that's a little bit annoying)
 

No problem. This is absolutely correct. Stating facts never hurts :-)

Onen


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Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:19:46PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
 2009/9/10 Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.com
  I like these ideas...but how would you get out of a fullscreen app?  or
  close a full screen app if it didnt have a close or un-fullscreen option in
  the app itself?
 
  -Dan Staley
 
 
 With gestures. Let me do some marketing here :-)

I hate gestures, the potential of conflicts between them and apps is huge.

Under your scenario, consider a drawing program... you will need an edit
mode and gesture mode (think vi edit and command modes).

Same for almost every graphical app, in fact...

 Litemoko puts every app fullscreen. You switch between apps or close them
 with simple gestures. This way my FR has about 8mm more usable screen space
 on the top, because I don't need the illume top panel. And I don't need to
 stick my finger in the corner to switch apps. Closing apps is also faster.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjbgiE6GU5U
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litemoko

But I will check Litephone, if anyone can assure me it works at least as
well as current shr-u as a phone :)

Rui

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Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation

2009-09-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Thursday 10 September 2009 20:05:44 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical?

Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from holding it +-5 
degrees (or so).

:M:


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Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation

2009-09-10 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Thursday 10 September 2009 23:23:46 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
 On Thursday 10 September 2009 20:05:44 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
  What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical?

 Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from holding it
 +-5 degrees (or so).

Err, that was written in a suboptimal way. Next try: Held is the opposite of 
flat, i.e. everything that deviates from laying flat on the table with a tilt 
of 
+-5 degrees (or so).

:M:


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Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?

2009-09-10 Thread David Lanzendörfer
Soo offtopic.
Tipp: look  at gk2gk.com

Personal opinion about this content:
Stay where you are. Keep beeing happy with your computer and don't believe 
anyone who tries to make your live better.
There were a lot of people who tried to make my life better and let me 
hurted in the rain behind.
It is your live, your own live, and if youre happy when you sold and code and 
try new gadgets and create new things then do what you like.
My self (developing OM for HTC-Dream right now) was happy with coding and 
solding and so on, until I began to wonder whats out there, in the world of 
the pizza man. A wonderful girl was the reason, a woman who is best described 
by  every thing I could think of, when someone says the word perfection.
Geeky, smart, funny, beautyfull. In short terms nearly perfect.
But I didnt know how to express, how to act. The failures I made still hurt.
I tried a few things to get in contact with people, but I found out, I didnt 
miss anything.
I was too smart to interact with them. They became anoyed, some started to 
hate me.
What if you get a girl, she remarks, that she cant control you, hurts you by 
leafing you, or she can control and manipulate you, and then youre not your 
self anymore... It hurts you anyway.
My self came to the conclusion that I hate it to be human. Frankly I hate 
ubuntu because of one of the mainreasons is the comment under the name Ubuntu 
- Linux for Human beeings
Yes I hate it, the life is a bunch of shit, when you take a nearer look.
Keep beeing happy and stay behind your computer.
Thats what I should have done from the beginning.

leviathan
-- 
David Lanzendörfer
OpenSourceSupport GmbH
Junior system engineer and supporter


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Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?

2009-09-10 Thread roguemoko
Hi Brolin,

I commend you for your openness and courage for putting yourself out 
there like you have. I've known a few guys with your particular traits 
and I sympathise. I imagine it would be very difficult to find your 
place communally, a lot of people don't understand how over-thought and 
considered every social interaction is for someone such as yourself. The 
guys I have known have found it very difficult to interpret body 
language which can scare off a lot of people, they've needed people who 
understand and are willing to educate them or at least tell them when 
something may be to their detriment. Most people won't say a thing, 
endure, then run a mile.

Although it is possible there may be someone on this list who can aide 
you in your search, I'd suggest seeking out a support service with like 
minded people. Typing aspergers support forum mailing list into google 
reveals there are a few, though I can't vouch for any of them.

I wish you all the best, I believe there is someone, and a place, for 
everyone.

Good luck mate.

Sarton


On 11/09/2009 6:12 AM, Brolin Empey wrote:
 Hello list,

 Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I
 recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male.  I am 22 and still live
 with my parents.  I have never lived away from my parents.  I am
 planning to hire a support worker to help me live away from my parents
 (I have another meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely
 defer trying to live away from my parents.  I named my form of
 procrastination “priority inversion” because what is, in practical
 terms, my lowest priority, becomes my highest priority.  For example, I
 choose to spend my free time playing with my computers, including my
 FreeRunner, instead of learning about human biology and/or nutrition,
 which will affect me every day of my life, and at least trying to live
 away from my parents.  When I say I play with my computers, I do not
 mean gaming:  I almost never play games anymore.  Even when I decide I
 want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading about games,
 viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of the
 endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have
 a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game.  I
 feel like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and
 stimulation in the Too Much Information Age.  I always feel like the NET
 Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than
 ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice,
 etc.  I recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine,
 which is constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its
 database.  I have Asperger’s Syndrome, but can function much better, at
 least in terms of interacting with people in person, than when I was in
 high school, for example.  I used to often feel like I had social
 anxiety disorder because I would get so anxious and/or worried even when
 calling someone on the phone (on my parents’s landline because I did not
 have a cell phone until 2008) that I could not speak clearly enough for
 the person on the other end to understand me, so I would always have to
 repeat myself at least once for every turn of the conversation.  I am a
 purist and have been called the most pedantic person in the world by
 Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and Netscape/Mozilla fame. :)
 Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if know what is meant
 from the context.  For example, I am bothered by people mentioning a
 “standard” transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual transmission.
 Standard depends on the vehicle.  Automatic is standard for some
 vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat /panel/) a “flat screen”
 (high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN
 number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy
 gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is
 a service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an
 accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me
 to “select octane” instead of “select ctane” (sp?) or “select fuel
 grade”.  My car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine.  I have been highly
 influenced by my father, Brian Empey.  Brian is a Professional Engineer
 (Electrical Engineering).  He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol)
 in 1996 with his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee
 Schellenberg).  Techsol is an embedded computer hardware company
 specialising in Linux on ARM architecture.  I am very fortunate to be
 able to work at Techsol.  I am a Linux + Windows System
 Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer person.  I think my
 responsibiles are more important than my title(s).  I know I am very
 dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which I bought
 from my dad), have a Class 7 driver’s licence (the Novice stage of the
 

Re: [shr-u] first impressions

2009-09-10 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 19:12 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote:
   Then where do you have any OK button?
  
  ok, it's called quit.
 
 And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a
 few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps.
 
 One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable
 eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way
 (panel, click on close).
 
 Rui

Hooray - sense at last.  Coming up with a user oriented interface, not a
programmers idea of what he personally likes will be a great step
forward.  I like close buttons, but consistency is more important I
think.  And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where
radio buttons are used :)

BillK




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Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Stefan,
what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people
are looking for?

I think at some point I will start to work on a table of 'hackable' hardware,
because at least technically it's relatively easy to pin down features:
Reflashable, unbrickable, all drivers in source form or some in binary,
toolchain open, schematics/datasheets/layout/BOM published or not, etc.

But this is only interesting to hackers, not normal users.
What if a company supports the free software scene covertly (quite a few do
because the reason they fear openness are patents, not hackers)?
Who should 'rank' or 'qualify' hardware makers for how 'open' they are?

I think we first need to define why someone is looking for openness, and
what they expect from it.
Can you explain your motives? What makes you interested in Openmoko, Qi,
OpenPandora, etc.?
Thanks,
Wolfgang

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
 While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware
 I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list.
 
 Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try
 and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find
 appropriate hardware?  Of course, there are various notions of open
 hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for
 example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users.  Also it
 might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the
 company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles.
 
 I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating,
 maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ...
 
 Any hint?
 
 
 Stefan
 
 
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