Re: Litephone 0.1
El día Wednesday, September 09, 2009 a las 09:37:33PM +0200, Christof Musik escribió: Hello Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1. Since the last version released by Michal I've done some work and improved the whole code. There are also many changes and fixes for the UI. To install it follow the instructions on www.litephone.org. There you will find all packages that are needed to install Litephone and Qt. Here is a quick summary of the changes I've done: - Improved message and phonelog view - Contacts can have more properties - Added PIN input widget and use it in PIN change dialog - Translation support (thanks to Bart??omiej Zimo?? for polish translation) - Improved startup code If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on www.litephone.org Kind regards, Christof Hello Christof, Will this also work on Om2008.9 or is there a version for this? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
2009/9/10 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de Hello Christof, Will this also work on Om2008.9 or is there a version for this? Thx Litephone is based on FSO. Are you running latests FSO on your Om2008? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
Hello Matthias, Will this also work on Om2008.9 or is there a version for this? Thx you need a recent FSO daemon to run this application, so it wouldn't work on Om2008.9. Since the whole API on Om2008.9 is deprecated I don't think that we will support this. You should really try shr-unstable. Kind regards, Christof ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bug tracker
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk writes: If the latest andy-tracking kernel is no longer affected why aren't both WSOD bug reports updated? I wasn't even aware until very recently that the original WSOD bug was fixed as the initial report is still open without activity since months. It is not generally possible to update bug reports in the OM bug tracker because the exact magic necessary to get permission to create bug reports or update existing ones isn't known. So you shouldn't put too much into seeing an open bug report with no activity for months. Currently it is indeed possible to get permissions to update tickets. Rask, you can ask . I think only System software (== bootloaders and the kernel) section on the OM trac is still relevant since all the other soft comes elsewhere and has its own bug tracking systems. I've just closed a whole bunch of old/fixed/invalid tickets in there and left only those which i'm really unsure of or that are real bugs still present. Unfortunately, WSOD is still one of those. It's known that the way andy-tracking HEAD currently deals with jbt is still prone to WSOD. And i can confirm seeing it on gta01. This bug is supposed to go away after switching to .31 from upstream and applying Lars's heavily rewritten drivers on top of it. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bug tracker
Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com writes: Currently it is indeed possible to get permissions to update tickets. Rask, you can ask Joachim Steiger - roh at openmoko dot org. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Gta2v5] WiFi quit working
Hi list; My FR's wifi connection no longer works. 'iwlist scan' always prints the resource unavailable message, the one when wifi power is off. My NAND distro Neovento claims wifi is on but it isn't. And on my SD distro, Hackable1, I click 'enable wifi', when it should turn in to 'turn off wifi' button, it stays the same. And the same 'resource temporarily unavaliable' thing. Any ideas? -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
How reactive it is? I know the discussion about mokomaze but can this be used games/apps witch needs only arrow keys one at a time? -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable] Failing to get a GPS fix on FSO. Ublox works..
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi! 1) install latest SHR unstable ( 2) upgrade) 2) install omgps - now when you try to get a fix with only omgps (using ublox), it works in a reasonable time (30-50s or so) But trying to find satellites with the SHR settings - Position it's hopeless. I've put it on manual on. It keeps me waiting for ages with all the fields showing 'unknown' except Fix that shows invalid or something like that.. And no fix for minutes if ever. And the same goes with Tangogps (using FSO) - no fix.. I get fix in 50sec-1min on SHR-U my rootfs is http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old/full-om-gta02.jffs2 I think its a 22nd August build. Non opkg upgraded. I leave the automatic setting for GPS in SHR Settings. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable] Failing to get a GPS fix on FSO. Ublox works..
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Hi! 1) install latest SHR unstable ( 2) upgrade) 2) install omgps - now when you try to get a fix with only omgps (using ublox), it works in a reasonable time (30-50s or so) But trying to find satellites with the SHR settings - Position it's hopeless. I've put it on manual on. It keeps me waiting for ages with all the fields showing 'unknown' except Fix that shows invalid or something like that.. And no fix for minutes if ever. And the same goes with Tangogps (using FSO) - no fix.. I get fix in 50sec-1min on SHR-U my rootfs is http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/old/full-om-gta02.jffs2 I think its a 22nd August build. Non opkg upgraded. I leave the automatic setting for GPS in SHR Settings. Rakshat And my kernel is http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Device Orientation API
[cut] Basically, it's sending you a string whenever the orientation changes. Valid substrings contain portrait, landscape, faceup, facedown. IMHO using integers where (x,y,z) are -1,0 or 1, would be better idea. This way you could make mathematical operations on this. Or use a conditions like: (x=1,y=0,z0). There is already some info about axis on wiki somewhere -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
Dnia 2009-09-09, śro o godzinie 22:26 +0200, Radek Polak pisze: Hi all, i have just uploaded new QtMoko debian images. You can download as Great, thanks! One question about your version numbering. As it is not usual, is there any system, like odd numbers are unstable/testing version, and even are stable? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
Dnia 2009-09-09, śro o godzinie 21:37 +0200, Christof Musik pisze: Hello Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1. Since the last version released by Michal I've done some work and improved the whole code. Great to hear this. I like Litephone much mores than Paroli (sorry Angus ;) ) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
Christof Musik wrote: Hello Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1. Since the last version released by Michal I've done some work and improved the whole code. There are also many changes and fixes for the UI. To install it follow the instructions on www.litephone.org. There you will find all packages that are needed to install Litephone and Qt. Here is a quick summary of the changes I've done: - Improved message and phonelog view - Contacts can have more properties - Added PIN input widget and use it in PIN change dialog - Translation support (thanks to Bart?omiej Zimon' for polish translation) - Improved startup code If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on www.litephone.org Kind regards, Christof Thanks a million for the update. I tried litephone on SHR-U for the first time yesterday and tried to send a text message test message hello. That got displayed in litephone as ttes meessag hello which I thought was funny as. I was going to ask if there were any updates or where the repository was today. You beat me to it downloading now ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Device Orientation API
Patryk Benderz schrieb: [cut] Basically, it's sending you a string whenever the orientation changes. Valid substrings contain portrait, landscape, faceup, facedown. IMHO using integers where (x,y,z) are -1,0 or 1, would be better idea. This way you could make mathematical operations on this. Or use a conditions like: (x=1,y=0,z0). There is already some info about axis on wiki somewhere ... and for putting this together, one could make macro(tests) ot the integers: portrait := (x,y,z) =~ (90,0,270) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB Networking disabled
I just posted a message on the smartphone mailing-list about a similar problem I have. according to your description on smartphone-users, yours is totally different an issue (and i answered with a way to fix that). you simply fell in the well known qi/udev trap, while the op according to his description does not get any cdc ether device at all. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
2009/9/10 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com Thanks a million for the update. I tried litephone on SHR-U for the first time yesterday and tried to send a text message test message hello. That got displayed in litephone as ttes meessag hello which I thought was funny as. I was going to ask if there were any updates or where the repository was today. You beat me to it downloading now ;-) Can you go to sent messages and see what has been sent? My guess is that you typed in the misspelled message using the predictive illume keyboard. Someone has already reported this, and my guess is the bug is somewhere between illume and qt (maybe the fakekey events get swapped because illume sends them all without a delay or something). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB Networking disabled
- is cdc-ether built-in or a module? - how do you make sure it is not recognized? syslog? - das the log say anything at all about usb? - what exactly are you seeing when pluggin in the fr on the host side? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta2v5] WiFi quit working
when did it work the last time and what happend since then? i have no ideas about neovento or hackable (except knowing, the exist) -- what kernel do they use and how is wifi managed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
Christof Musik wrote: Hello Today I'm pleased to announce Litephone 0.1 Thank you! I've been waiting for this day for 1 month... :) Just upgraded it, I'm happy now! :D -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Litephone-0-1-tp3613077p3616882.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-u] first impressions
after having trashed my debian/fso for the moment, i decided to try out shr for a while until i get fso working again. while i try to read almost all mails on community, i can't claim to have followed the shr development that close. i got some first impressions i'd like to share -- if they are addressed already, simply ignore them, if i miss something point it out. skin is illume-shr since i figured it would fit the freerunner's screen best. version is the image from august 8th with the matching kernel (what are the modules for?) without any updates so far, thus probably some of my complaints are addressed already. - imo the default font is far to big -- i set it to small but got the distinct impression that illume crashes really often now, luckely enough mostly it recovers, i had to reboot only once or twice because it locked hard (fso still worked, since the screen blanked and the fr suspended). - with the default font the x crashed screen and some settings screens are unreadable since a lot of text is invisible - the font setting is a) to big for the screen and b) confusing. from the plethora of options i am unable to decide, which is the one i want (having very small columns with only the first letter visible does not help either) -- switching to landscape helped only marginally and left me with a corrupted screen after switching back to porttrait (coordinates where still landscape and the lower part of the screen, 480 were ... gaudy) - basic preview text - scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too close to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without knowing what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than once while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main menu - i tried to minimize the font of the clock in the top shelf -- it is somewhat affected by the size setting of top shelf gadgets, but far from sufficient. while that signal level gadget and the battery gadget are minimized into illegibility, the clock still is big (about 4/5 of the shelf height, while the other gadgets are less than 1/2), overlays signal/battery and is cut off at the top slightly (since it is not vertically centered but aligns to the top). only setting the actual date/time is possible, font used or font size are not. - bottom shelf seems not to be affected by changing the shel size, it seems to retain the very same height as before, but the font displaying loading gets smaller i think, i'll attempt an update tonight and see, what changes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
c_c wrote: Hi, KaZeR wrote: Do you plan to make a nice integration to switch to BT headset for calls? Would be.. amazing. If you have a paired bt headset, launcher should autoconnect the bt headset for you on resume. What for? Music playback or calls? c_c wrote: KaZeR wrote: - when sending a sms, the send dialog doesn't close. You have to press cancel? The console output shows that it sent the message (the number is printed) Done. Well, in fact i think it still could be better : i'm fine with the 'Sending in progress icon' which was replaced by a sent icon in your previous binary. On the other hand i dislike the 'Message was sent' popup. I would rather rely on the icon to know if it was sent or not. E.g : i write a message in the subway, no network : the message seems to be recorded only if it was sent. So i can't reply to several messages, because when i close the conversation view with a given contact, i have no way of seeing back my previous message which was waiting to be delivered. So, my three wishes about sending (which only reflect my own point of view :) ): - record (and display the appropriate icon) messages which were sent but not yet delivered - when pressing reply, refresh the conversation view so that the reply gets in it place in the thread - do not diplay a popup which needs to be acquainted to confirm message delivery Also, i have an issue (i already had it with the previous binary), here's the pattern: - start launcher [A] - reply to a message : it gets delivered and confirmed - reply to another message : it doesn't get delivered. When exiting the conversation, message is lost forever - restart launcher - goto [A] Reproducible 100% of the time for me. c_c wrote: KaZeR wrote: - the jump menu is bugged : B works, E leads to the 2nd contact starting by E, with M my first 'M' contact is the forelast in the display, and starting from P it's wrong. Could it be because you assume that my contact list is split homogeneously between letters? (10xA, 10xB, etc? ) Well, the genlist takes time to build - and showing a contact works properly after that. I'm going to add categories for contacts. That should reduce the size of the list and make the jump better. Any ideas on how to improve it? What about filtering the contact list? Since the list seems to be loaded in memory, you could pre-build 26 sub-lists for each letters when loading the adressbook, no? Thanks for your other fixes/implementations :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3616911.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Two other comments : - I'm not yet interested in the launcher feature. Would it be possible to hide the categories? When i want to start an app i just prefer to switch to illume launcher currently. - The delete button on the main conversation view isn't really useful imo. When you want to delete a conversation, it's usually one which contains a message you recently received and don't want to keep. Since selecting the conversation open the conversation itself, it's easier/faster to delete from there. I mean that you can't delete a conversation without opening it first : so you'd better delete it from there, and not the main view. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3616927.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
Am Donnerstag 10 September 2009 11:00:59 schrieb arne anka: after having trashed my debian/fso for the moment, i decided to try out shr for a while until i get fso working again. while i try to read almost all mails on community, i can't claim to have followed the shr development that close. i got some first impressions i'd like to share -- if they are addressed already, simply ignore them, if i miss something point it out. skin is illume-shr since i figured it would fit the freerunner's screen best. version is the image from august 8th with the matching kernel (what are the modules for?) without any updates so far, thus probably some of my complaints are addressed already. - imo the default font is far to big -- i set it to small but got the distinct impression that illume crashes really often now, luckely enough mostly it recovers, i had to reboot only once or twice because it locked hard (fso still worked, since the screen blanked and the fr suspended). - with the default font the x crashed screen and some settings screens are unreadable since a lot of text is invisible - the font setting is a) to big for the screen and b) confusing. from the plethora of options i am unable to decide, which is the one i want (having very small columns with only the first letter visible does not help either) -- switching to landscape helped only marginally and left me with a corrupted screen after switching back to porttrait (coordinates where still landscape and the lower part of the screen, 480 were ... gaudy) - basic preview text - scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too close to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without knowing what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than once while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main menu - i tried to minimize the font of the clock in the top shelf -- it is somewhat affected by the size setting of top shelf gadgets, but far from sufficient. while that signal level gadget and the battery gadget are minimized into illegibility, the clock still is big (about 4/5 of the shelf height, while the other gadgets are less than 1/2), overlays signal/battery and is cut off at the top slightly (since it is not vertically centered but aligns to the top). only setting the actual date/time is possible, font used or font size are not. - bottom shelf seems not to be affected by changing the shel size, it seems to retain the very same height as before, but the font displaying loading gets smaller i think, i'll attempt an update tonight and see, what changes. All thing's, expect for shr-settings, are e releated so they won't change (soon). And shr-settings layout hasn't changed since 8.8. too, so an update won't change anything you mentioned. Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Yet 2 other comments : - version doesn't seem to be uptodate - if something went wrong, the gui doesn't tell you, if you didn't start from console you can't know r...@om-gta02 /media/card/scripts $ launcher restoring state version:33 showing window starting dbus thread ERROR: failed to call GetNameOwner(org.freesmartphone.opimd) ERROR: failed to call GetNameOwner(org.freesmartphone.ogsmd) ERROR: failed to call GetNameOwner(org.freesmartphone.ousaged) dbus init over. getting opim data -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3616966.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Evopedia 0.2.2
Marc Bantle schrieb: Hi, after I got myself a bigger SD-card, I was able to give evopedia a try and I'm quite impressed. Christian Reitwießner schrieb: Evopedia version 0.2.2 has been released. The major new feature is an interactive map of articles. Quite an interesting view of wikipedia on a map. I was a bit surprised to find Brasilien (Brasil) right next to river Neckar ... with evopedia the explanation was only one click away: [1] :-) Images for this map are automatically taken from downloaded map tiles of tangoGPS or from Openstreetmap.org if these cannot be found (and you are online). Nice idea, to reuse the tiles from tangogps. I have collected quite a few of them by now in different tango gps map repo (mapnik, cycle). Unfortunately evopedia doesn't honor, when I switched to another, even after a reboot. That's a good idea, I'll add a dropdown menu where you can select the tile repo used. I couldn't find a way to make the map move to my current gps position even though I saw some code to read it via pygps (which is installed). Is there a link somewhere to center map around current position as in tangogps or should the map automatically follow? I have not implemented that feature for the map yet, also because there is an open bug concerning fso-gpsd and pygps. It will be in the next release. The code you mention was used in the previous version and will be used again in the next version. Thank you for your feedback! Kind regards, Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
In case it helps, for the can't reply issue : after replying, i don't see new messages until i restart launcher. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3617005.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now
Am Mittwoch, den 09.09.2009, 12:50 +0200 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: After you need to start paroli manually after each boot. You can also create a similar file to 80ophonekitd. Installing paroli-autostart does what the name suggests for me. To do this, go into wrench-Input -key bindings And delete all the two keybindigs (power button, aux button). Then copypaste these rules to rules.yaml: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/138541/ Then restart frameworkd to take effect. Thanks for the hint! Im glad there are interested people in paroli, and got their hand dirty to try it out! Same here. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/9/10 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com mailto:captain.dea...@gmail.com Thanks a million for the update. I tried litephone on SHR-U for the first time yesterday and tried to send a text message test message hello. That got displayed in litephone as ttes meessag hello which I thought was funny as. I was going to ask if there were any updates or where the repository was today. You beat me to it downloading now ;-) Can you go to sent messages and see what has been sent? My guess is that you typed in the misspelled message using the predictive illume keyboard. Someone has already reported this, and my guess is the bug is somewhere between illume and qt (maybe the fakekey events get swapped because illume sends them all without a delay or something). The message got sent like that as I received it on my other phone that garbled way. It's exactly the same with the new version which I downloaded earlier today. I don't see any way to look at sent messages in litephone so maybe it's not as intuitive as it could be ;-) Other problem is that it can't receive messages at all. I got rid of the notifier and ophonekitd out of /etc/X11/Xsession so maybe I need to put the notifier back in but I'd assumed that I might not get a notification but I'd still receive the message. Any messages I've sent are not arriving at all. Can we look at the source code? ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now
On automatic startup via paroli-autostart package, Paroli shows this to me: can't init service Wifi : org.moblin.connman.Error: .InvalidProperty Tried again by restarting paroli without reboot in between, then the error doesn't occur. Enabling wifi from paroli-settings seems to work, although Networks doesn't show any of them while iwlist scan is successful. Already had that problem on 2009t5... wifi.py 108 wifi INFO setting power of wifi device [...] wifi.py 116 wifi INFO new status active [...] wifi.py 200 wifi INFO power active BTW: Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged is damn annoying. Just need to say that once again. :/ -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
Can we look at the source code? ;-) git clone git://git.litephone.org/litephone -- -- Openmoko phone gui : http://www.qalee.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: On automatic startup via paroli-autostart package, Paroli shows this to me: can't init service Wifi : org.moblin.connman.Error: .InvalidProperty Tried again by restarting paroli without reboot in between, then the error doesn't occur. Enabling wifi from paroli-settings seems to work, although Networks doesn't show any of them while iwlist scan is successful. Already had that problem on 2009t5... wifi.py 108 wifi INFO setting power of wifi device [...] wifi.py 116 wifi INFO new status active [...] wifi.py 200 wifi INFO power active BTW: Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged is damn annoying. Just need to say that once again. :/ Im not sure we should do all settings in paroli. The paroli-settings application was always meant to be independant (but style matching) to paroli. So I dont know the right place of wifi enabling/disabling, managing is in paroli settings. Maybe we should reduce the settings to change wallpaper(not implemented), color costumization (not implemented yet), ringtone, volume adjustement, pin code enable/disable, roaming settings, gprs settings, and thats about it. Time settings, wifi Im not sure at all, paroli has any business in these domains... Anyway I should raise this question to the paroli mailing list, and see what other paroli developers think. In short: Im not really interested fixing wifi management inside paroli, as I dont see a future of this setting. Can you manage to get wifi working by other method? (shr settings, anything). Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Evopedia 0.2.2
2009/8/31 Christian Reitwießner christ...@reitwiessner.de: Evopedia version 0.2.2 has been released. The major new feature is an interactive map of articles. Images for this map are automatically taken from downloaded map tiles of tangoGPS or from Openstreetmap.org if these cannot be found (and you are online). If you do not have any images and no internet connection, at least the articles are displayed at the right location (if the zoom level is high enough). Evopedia is an offline Wikipedia reader that can be viewed using any browser you like (midori is the default). You need to download a Wikipedia dump (apart from the software also available there) from http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html The following dump languages are available at the moment: Dutch, French, German, Italian and Spanish. Polish is currently in the queue. i see there's no english version available yet. understandable with the size. can you tell me what has to be done to create the file? do you have a script? cheers ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
* Aapo Rantalainen aapo.rantalai...@gmail.com [10.09.2009 09:21]: How reactive it is? I know the discussion about mokomaze but can this be used games/apps witch needs only arrow keys one at a time? -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This API is only for the Orientation of the phone. Not really fot that kind of usage. -- IRC: playya @ Freenode, Gimpnet xmpp: pla...@draugr.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
Hi! I just want to notice the list that the 2.6.31 final kernel is out. Everybody was waiting for it, to be able properly merge all patches floating around. So I expect with the new kernel the following features: * KMS * BFS scheduler * imporved wifi * improved gprs * improved resume time * improved battery management, aka dump battery support * No WSOD anymore for sure (not even in cold/warm or temperature change) * improved everything. Can the kernel developers let the community know, when new important things happens? Is the new git structure is already in place? Is the patches are revisited and cleaned up for the new kernel? What patches didnt go upstream? There are *many* interesting questions, which can be interested to us, non kernel hackers. Btw, who are the people behind it, who is responsible for what? Some kind of summerization, and updates about the process would be more then welcome on this link. (I think others agree with me). So start flow a bit of information to us, mortals;) Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Hi, inlovewithshr wrote: It will let me insert the MAC into the address field and set it, but when I reopen the configuration it's blank again. I thought I'd sorted that out - will take a look today. inlovewithshr wrote: Another feature request would simply be a connect now button with a feedback of connected or failed so we can make sure it really is connected. Ok, I'll look at adding that too. KaZeR wrote: What for? Music playback or calls? Calls mainly - but that will work for music playback too. KaZeR wrote: record (and display the appropriate icon) messages which were sent but not yet delivered Progressing. KaZeR wrote: - when pressing reply, refresh the conversation view so that the reply gets in it place in the thread Done. KaZeR wrote: - do not diplay a popup which needs to be acquainted to confirm message delivery Ok. I thought the icon wasn't obvious enough. I'll stop the popup and see how it goes. KaZeR wrote: Also, i have an issue (i already had it with the previous binary), here's the pattern I can see that here too - trying to fix it. Should be better once the resend part is up. KaZeR wrote: What about filtering the contact list? Adding categories soon. KaZeR wrote: Would it be possible to hide the categories? Will add an option in the settings. KaZeR wrote: The delete button on the main conversation view isn't really useful imo. True. A delete conv button on the sms view can suffice. Will change this. KaZeR wrote: - version doesn't seem to be uptodate Thats the db version - not relevant unless there is a sb changes / error. KaZeR wrote: - if something went wrong, the gui doesn't tell you, if you didn't start from console you can't know Have popups now for most errors. Will release soon. KaZeR wrote: In case it helps, for the can't reply issue : after replying, i don't see new messages until i restart launcher. Something with the dbus. SMS needs more work as of now. Thanks for all the ideas. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3617109.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: udev rule for the freerunner or make usb networking enduser friendly
On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Olivier Migeot wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:41 AM, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Same here - just a static ip for the fr's mac address on ubuntu works great for me. I've been on static IP for quite a while, but between work and home it was starting to get messy. With udhcpd, it's now much more convenient. I could even decide to change the Moko's network for something less common than 192.168.0.0 at no cost. The best would be to have a very light dhcpd daemon who only runs on USB insertion, serves only one address with a very long lease, and then dies after a few minutes. But maybe I'm dreaming there ;) Check dnsmasq which is available in OE, and provides a lightweight caching DNS server and DHCP server. I don't know if it's in the SHR feeds or not, but it worked well when I tried it a while back. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
On Thursday 10 September 2009 13:00:31 Frederik Sdun wrote: This API is only for the Orientation of the phone. Not really fot that kind of usage. Correct. It's definitely not meant for real-time-handling, e.g. right now there's a delay of 1 second between the end of the movement and before the actual orientation gets sent. This is done on purpose to keep CPU consumption under control. What we could experiment with (in addition to the delayed orientation signal) is detecting whacks, since these are characterized by a high force applied to one or two axes. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
2009/9/10 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com I don't see any way to look at sent messages in litephone so maybe it's not as intuitive as it could be ;-) Well it ain't no Iphone!!! :-) Go to messages and click filter. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com writes: So I expect with the new kernel the following features: * KMS To be discussed with Thomas. * BFS scheduler Who said it works any better? Do you understand that somebody will have to rebase and tweak it every mainline release because it'll never get upstream? Who proved it worth it? * imporved wifi I don't know anybody who's going to invest real time into rewriting/fixing driver, especially if there're userspace workarounds present. I, for once, am not really motivated unless Atheros gives us a way to use more sane firmware * improved gprs Kernel-unrelated * improved resume time No idea, probably KMS will improve it a little bit. * improved battery management, aka dump battery support Everything's already in .29. * No WSOD anymore for sure (not even in cold/warm or temperature change) Say great thanks to Lars, i hope his patches will finally fix that. * improved everything. Heh :-/ Can the kernel developers let the community know, when new important things happens? Is the new git structure is already in place? Is the patches are revisited and cleaned up for the new kernel? What patches didnt go upstream? A little bit later. And small announcement to everybody: I want to use OM trac to care about kernel and bootloader bugs. Only category: System Software is relevant. I've already closed a whole bunch of tickets, now it became manageable and contains some valueable information. Please report your problems (after making sure they're kernel-related) there. Don't forget to specify exact kernel revision and preferably steps to reproduce. And probably wait until .31 for FR is officially announced, we would really need your feedback to bring it into shape. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:55 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: * imporved wifi I don't know anybody who's going to invest real time into rewriting/fixing driver, especially if there're userspace workarounds present. I, for once, am not really motivated unless Atheros gives us a way to use more sane firmware I'd rather use no firmware at all ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: * BFS scheduler Who said it works any better? Michael Buesch says it performs 1.5 times better on an wl500 router: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=125233663823328w=2 Cyanogen tried out with Android+Freerunner: http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/3836404163 One last thing.. you know the lag you get when your phone rings and it doesn't display right away? Yeah thats gone now. Thomas White: It's difficult to say, really. I haven't done any scientific tests, but it feels a little faster in some areas (suspend/resume, Illume sliders and toggles), and pretty much the same in most other places. Thank you for the updates! Im really looking forward to report 2.6.31 related bugs to the bugtracker!;)) Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
* improved everything. I think this is the least we could expect! ;-) But yes, I'm also interested as a non-kernel person about hearing what's happening in that area. Could it go in the community updates? Thanks all, keep up the good work :) 2009/9/10 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com: Hi! I just want to notice the list that the 2.6.31 final kernel is out. Everybody was waiting for it, to be able properly merge all patches floating around. So I expect with the new kernel the following features: * KMS * BFS scheduler * imporved wifi * improved gprs * improved resume time * improved battery management, aka dump battery support * No WSOD anymore for sure (not even in cold/warm or temperature change) * improved everything. Can the kernel developers let the community know, when new important things happens? Is the new git structure is already in place? Is the patches are revisited and cleaned up for the new kernel? What patches didnt go upstream? There are *many* interesting questions, which can be interested to us, non kernel hackers. Btw, who are the people behind it, who is responsible for what? Some kind of summerization, and updates about the process would be more then welcome on this link. (I think others agree with me). So start flow a bit of information to us, mortals;) Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
* improved resume time No idea, probably KMS will improve it a little bit. may i'm wrong, but wasn't radek wrote something like the 2.6.30-kernel uses about 20% less ram on his moko? (is this kms? haven't a fully clear head now :p ) anyway, think, the update could be usefull and could make things faster.. also the new tools to look into the ressource could be interessting (may to optimise things and detect ressource-killers..) i also would like it to use them soon on the moko.. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:06:55 +0200 Raphaël Jacquot sxp...@sxpert.org wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:55 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: * imporved wifi I don't know anybody who's going to invest real time into rewriting/fixing driver, especially if there're userspace workarounds present. I, for once, am not really motivated unless Atheros gives us a way to use more sane firmware I'd rather use no firmware at all ;) Well... it's a full MAC device so having a firmware is a good thing :p but having an opensource firmware would be the best thing, especially if there are problems with the current one. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: udev rule for the freerunner or make usb networking enduser friendly
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Check dnsmasq which is available in OE, and provides a lightweight caching DNS server and DHCP server. I don't know if it's in the SHR feeds or not, but it worked well when I tried it a while back. How lighter could it be than a /bin/busybox symlink? ;) Plus I don't really need the DNS part. But thanks anyway. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
A few more, in case you already got bored ;) - when selecting configure, exiting, you can't reselect configure unless you select another item from the scrollbar at the bottom - when setting the BT headset address, it's not displayed when you re-enter the configuration screen later - long-received messages are truncated, i can't see the end (instead i see ??? at the end of the first part -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3617326.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Evopedia 0.2.2
Robin Paulson schrieb: 2009/8/31 Christian Reitwießner christ...@reitwiessner.de: Evopedia version 0.2.2 has been released. The major new feature is an interactive map of articles. Images for this map are automatically taken from downloaded map tiles of tangoGPS or from Openstreetmap.org if these cannot be found (and you are online). If you do not have any images and no internet connection, at least the articles are displayed at the right location (if the zoom level is high enough). Evopedia is an offline Wikipedia reader that can be viewed using any browser you like (midori is the default). You need to download a Wikipedia dump (apart from the software also available there) from http://www.reitwiessner.de/openmoko/evopedia.html The following dump languages are available at the moment: Dutch, French, German, Italian and Spanish. Polish is currently in the queue. By the way, the dump of the Polish Wikipedia is ready now. i see there's no english version available yet. understandable with the size. can you tell me what has to be done to create the file? do you have a script? If you want, you can try to create the dump. The software I use can be downloaded at http://vitels.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/dump_software_source/ There is a modified mediawiki installation, just extract it somewhere, you only need php, no running webserver (but it could make sense for testing the mediawiki installation). Furthermore, there is another archive containing the dump script and some other utilities. You have to set some variables in the dump script and of course create the mysql tables for mediawiki. Perhaps the dump procedure can be optimized but currently it should take quite a long time to dump the English Wikipedia. I think dumping the German Wikipedia took a week. Please contact me if you have any further questions. Though I think we should not do this via the list then. Kind regards, Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Hi, KaZeR wrote: A few more, in case you already got bored ;) :-D - Well, not even close... KaZeR wrote: - when selecting configure, exiting, you can't reselect configure unless you select another item from the scrollbar at the bottom The toolbar doesn't have the always select option that the genlists have. Actually, I don't think toolbars were designed to be used for such things ;-) KaZeR wrote: - when setting the BT headset address, it's not displayed when you re-enter the configuration screen later Yup. In progress. KaZeR wrote: - long-received messages are truncated, i can't see the end (instead i see ??? at the end of the first part They seem to work here. DO you have the latest opim? Actually, this feature is for free in opimd. I'll check again though. Was your message 550 letters? I arbitrarily set that as the limit. Will increase it - if we're already hitting the boundary. Though SMS stands for short messaging service ;-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3617359.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
[cut] But yes, I'm also interested as a non-kernel person about hearing what's happening in that area. Could it go in the community updates? You are more than welcome to add content :) [cut] -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
Vinzenz Hersche wrote: wasn't radek wrote something like the 2.6.30-kernel uses about 20% less ram on his moko? (is this kms? haven't a fully clear head now :p ) That could be different kernel config. And it was much faster because the Qtopia bug didnt appear on this bug. But otherwise subjectively the new kernel performed really well except guess what - WSOD. I had it on every suspend. But it could be that i have done something wrong. I am now waiting for 2.6.31 to try it out again. Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
You are more than welcome to add content :) Don't think it would be very insightful comment though ;-) 2009/9/10 Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl: [cut] But yes, I'm also interested as a non-kernel person about hearing what's happening in that area. Could it go in the community updates? You are more than welcome to add content :) [cut] -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
c_c wrote: Hi, KaZeR wrote: A few more, in case you already got bored ;) :-D - Well, not even close... hehe :) c_c wrote: KaZeR wrote: - long-received messages are truncated, i can't see the end (instead i see ??? at the end of the first part They seem to work here. DO you have the latest opim? Actually, this feature is for free in opimd. I'll check again though. Was your message 550 letters? I arbitrarily set that as the limit. Will increase it - if we're already hitting the boundary. Though SMS stands for short messaging service ;-) MMm, i have no opim package, and i believe it's part of the framework. frameworkd - 0.9.5.9+gitr1684+0c4b12c4df42699e0d4c74db65b8e00e4f611d13-r0 - frameworkd-config-shr - 0.9.5.9+gitr1684+0c4b12c4df42699e0d4c74db65b8e00e4f611d13-187+ee8d21beae597778056fa83168f9aa571720821b-r7 - libframeworkd-glib0 - 0.0.1+gitr98+680276e4cddabeb1edd088ddd421f363dd106a50-r1 - libframeworkd-phonegui-efl0 - 0.0.2+gitr758+9e3a8eb9cdcb848b28be0883c5f7a35a27dce649-r32 - libframeworkd-phonegui0 - 0.0.2+gitr758+9e3a8eb9cdcb848b28be0883c5f7a35a27dce649-r9 - libfsoframework0 - 0.1.0.0+gitr423+1e814417cae6470cc9c9c2b48f896fdfcf1f3318-r6.2 - They were shorter than 550, around 200 i believe (one is an automated message where i only miss around 20 chars. But they seem to be truncated also in opim.. I had a look using mdbus : mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.opimd /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/53 org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message.GetContent shows the first part, with the ???. I haven't been able to find the second part yet. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3617428.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
Qi, uboot or both? I am using a 2.6.28 kernel and only get WSOD when using Qi. After booting using Qi, suspends often give flashes on the screen after it has gone dark, but before it suspends or as it actually powers down. This does not happen on uboot I know Qi (and uboot) are not supposed to affect anything after its passed control over to the kernel, but it looks like its not presetting something that uboot does, and the kernel doesnt know about. I am happy that after swapping between uboot and Qi every week or so, that Qi, or something it does, or doesnt do allows WSOD's to occur. So if you get WSOD's, can you state here if you are using Qi, and if they stop when using uboot. If I am not the only data point for this, it might be easier to fix if others can add their input. If I am not alone in this observation, I'll add it to the bug tracker. BillK On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 15:28 +0200, Radek Polak wrote: Vinzenz Hersche wrote: wasn't radek wrote something like the 2.6.30-kernel uses about 20% less ram on his moko? (is this kms? haven't a fully clear head now :p ) That could be different kernel config. And it was much faster because the Qtopia bug didnt appear on this bug. But otherwise subjectively the new kernel performed really well except guess what - WSOD. I had it on every suspend. But it could be that i have done something wrong. I am now waiting for 2.6.31 to try it out again. Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
William Kenworthy wrote: Qi, uboot or both? Don't remember if Qi but uboot from NOR did it. I am using a 2.6.28 kernel and only get WSOD when using Qi. When using current andy-tracking I dont have WSOD with neither. If I am not the only data point for this, it might be easier to fix if others can add their input. If I am not alone in this observation, I'll add it to the bug tracker. As i said, it was 2.6.30 (taken from openwrt) not current andy-tracking. So probably it's not time yet to report until it becomes official openmoko kernel (and it could by caused by someting wrong on my side). Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Web site promoting open hardware?
While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
I'm back :D When sending a sms to a contact, from the contact list, who hasn't yet his own discussion : - after sending, you are back to the new message creation dialog. It should either be closed, or you should be sent to the discussion view. - when this contact replies, it leads to two conversations, with the same name. 1st one contains outgoing message, 2nd one contains reply. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3617580.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
William Kenworthy wrote: Qi, uboot or both? I am using a 2.6.28 kernel and only get WSOD when using Qi. After booting using Qi, suspends often give flashes on the screen after it has gone dark, but before it suspends or as it actually powers down. This does not happen on uboot I know Qi (and uboot) are not supposed to affect anything after its passed control over to the kernel, but it looks like its not presetting something that uboot does, and the kernel doesnt know about. I am happy that after swapping between uboot and Qi every week or so, that Qi, or something it does, or doesnt do allows WSOD's to occur. So if you get WSOD's, can you state here if you are using Qi, and if they stop when using uboot. If I am not the only data point for this, it might be easier to fix if others can add their input. If I am not alone in this observation, I'll add it to the bug tracker. BillK My experience with qi so far is very good. I use qi for quite some time now and with latest shr-u kernel i get no WSOD at all. My last WSOD was months ago. I use suspend all the time and also do longer suspend periods like 4 days in a row and never experienced any problems. I update shr every few days. I don't know which version of qi i currently have flashed but it is around two months old. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Another small idea : display, on the main conversation view, if the lastest message was ingoing or outgoing. Useful to see if you're up-to-date in your answers, since there is some free space in this screen. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3617592.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.cawrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan Someone mentioned something similar on the qi-hardware developer list. I think its a good idea for a tree of (near) open hardware projects be developed. Any volunteers? cofundus project? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On 9/10/09, Thomas Zimmermann zimmerm...@vdm-design.de wrote: Am Donnerstag 10 September 2009 11:00:59 schrieb arne anka: after having trashed my debian/fso for the moment, i decided to try out shr for a while until i get fso working again. while i try to read almost all mails on community, i can't claim to have followed the shr development that close. i got some first impressions i'd like to share -- if they are addressed already, simply ignore them, if i miss something point it out. skin is illume-shr since i figured it would fit the freerunner's screen best. version is the image from august 8th with the matching kernel (what are the modules for?) without any updates so far, thus probably some of my complaints are addressed already. - imo the default font is far to big -- i set it to small but got the distinct impression that illume crashes really often now, luckely enough mostly it recovers, i had to reboot only once or twice because it locked hard (fso still worked, since the screen blanked and the fr suspended). - with the default font the x crashed screen and some settings screens are unreadable since a lot of text is invisible - the font setting is a) to big for the screen and b) confusing. from the plethora of options i am unable to decide, which is the one i want (having very small columns with only the first letter visible does not help either) -- switching to landscape helped only marginally and left me with a corrupted screen after switching back to porttrait (coordinates where still landscape and the lower part of the screen, 480 were ... gaudy) - basic preview text - scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too close to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without knowing what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than once while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main menu - i tried to minimize the font of the clock in the top shelf -- it is somewhat affected by the size setting of top shelf gadgets, but far from sufficient. while that signal level gadget and the battery gadget are minimized into illegibility, the clock still is big (about 4/5 of the shelf height, while the other gadgets are less than 1/2), overlays signal/battery and is cut off at the top slightly (since it is not vertically centered but aligns to the top). only setting the actual date/time is possible, font used or font size are not. - bottom shelf seems not to be affected by changing the shel size, it seems to retain the very same height as before, but the font displaying loading gets smaller i think, i'll attempt an update tonight and see, what changes. All thing's, expect for shr-settings, are e releated so they won't change (soon). And shr-settings layout hasn't changed since 8.8. too, so an update won't change anything you mentioned. Thomas I think he mean Illume wrench settings, not SHR Settings. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
- scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too close to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without knowing what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than once while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main menu I think he mean Illume wrench settings, not SHR Settings. i f you refer to the quote above: that's about the settings app, ie, the thing you get at the desktop, not the top shelf wrench. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
On 9/10/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: * improved resume time Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I don't think less is really needed :P -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
* improved resume time Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I don't think less is really needed :P 1 sec is pretty long if a call comes in. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
2009/9/10 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de * improved resume time Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I don't think less is really needed :P 1 sec is pretty long if a call comes in. It's 1.7sec here (shr-u). I'd love to have faster resume. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/9/10 Arigead captain.dea...@gmail.com Thanks a million for the update. I tried litephone on SHR-U for the first time yesterday and tried to send a text message test message hello. That got displayed in litephone as ttes meessag hello which I thought was funny as. I was going to ask if there were any updates or where the repository was today. You beat me to it downloading now ;-) Can you go to sent messages and see what has been sent? My guess is that you typed in the misspelled message using the predictive illume keyboard. Someone has already reported this, and my guess is the bug is somewhere between illume and qt (maybe the fakekey events get swapped because illume sends them all without a delay or something). Sounds to me like the Qt input event reordering bug, but I thought it would be fixed by now. http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2008-10/thread00773-0.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Launcher - v 0.35 Release (inbuilt contacts, sms and phonelog)
Hi, KaZeR wrote: When sending a sms to a contact, from the contact list, who hasn't yet his own discussion : - after sending, you are back to the new message creation dialog. It should either be closed, or you should be sent to the discussion view. Done. Try the attached binary. KaZeR wrote: - when this contact replies, it leads to two conversations, with the same name. 1st one contains outgoing message, 2nd one contains reply. Needs some more work. Will do that soon. Actually that's happening because the phone no's are different. Your address book and the number sent by the service provider differ sometimes in the prefix. My number matching routine needs more work KaZeR wrote: Another small idea : display, on the main conversation view, if the lastest message was ingoing or outgoing. Nice Idea. Done!! The attached binary should be more reliable in sending sms's. It adds sms's to the conversation even if they aren't sent. I'll complete the retry part tomorrow. http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3617911/launcher launcher -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Launcher-v-0-36-Release-UPDATED-inbuilt-contacts-sms-and-phonelog-tp3552019p3617911.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: udev rule for the freerunner or make usb networking enduser friendly
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Olivier Migeot wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: Check dnsmasq which is available in OE, and provides a lightweight caching DNS server and DHCP server. I don't know if it's in the SHR feeds or not, but it worked well when I tried it a while back. How lighter could it be than a /bin/busybox symlink? ;) I thought busybox only did the client end. Good to know I was wrong :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On 9/10/09, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: - scrolling in the settings app is cumbersome -- a) buttons are too close to the border, i live always in fear to accidently hit one without knowing what it will do, b) the ok button at bottom is to wide, more than once while scrolling i hit that ok button and was sent back to the main menu I think he mean Illume wrench settings, not SHR Settings. i f you refer to the quote above: that's about the settings app, ie, the thing you get at the desktop, not the top shelf wrench. Then where do you have any OK button? And scrolling in SHR Settings is done just like in other elementary apps, I don't have any problems with it and to be honest I can't see how you can have problems like described... ;x -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And scrolling in SHR Settings is done just like in other elementary apps, the scrolling as such is not an issue (though you might refer to som way alien to me, since i never used any elementary apps. but i noticed, probably in the wrench settings, views with old-fashioned scrollbars, so there are at least two ways to scroll in e apps, aren't there?) if i set down the stylus and draw and a button changes its color while drawing, is strongly suspect it to do something i did not intend. and when i try to scroll down fully i nearly with necessity reach the lower border and thus the quit button. while i am stiil not sure, if the buttons touched while scrolling do something -- quit does, absolutely. and i don't really intend to quit the view when i scroll down. I don't have any problems with it and to be honest I can't see how you can have problems like described... ;x can't help you there. having some kind of border (configurable right or left and bottom) where no active elemts are placed would definitely help. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On 9/10/09, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And scrolling in SHR Settings is done just like in other elementary apps, the scrolling as such is not an issue (though you might refer to som way alien to me, since i never used any elementary apps. but i noticed, probably in the wrench settings, views with old-fashioned scrollbars, so there are at least two ways to scroll in e apps, aren't there?) Old-fashioned scrollbars aren't from elementary, it's own e-wm theme/functionality AFAIK. if i set down the stylus and draw and a button changes its color while drawing, is strongly suspect it to do something i did not intend. and when i try to scroll down fully i nearly with necessity reach the lower border and thus the quit button. while i am stiil not sure, if the buttons touched while scrolling do something -- quit does, absolutely. and i don't really intend to quit the view when i scroll down. Such active buttons (clicked, and then started to scroll) doesn't do anything while scrolling, so everything is ok, and you can't close window while scrolling. Really, I can't see any problem here :( -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical? On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: is now working in the first version. Here's an example output of mdbus -s -l where I have (orientation status in brackets): * put the Neo on to the table (flat faceup), * took it and put it up-side-down back on the table (flat facedown), * took it and operated it for a bit (held faceup portrait normal), * rotated it to read some text (held faceup landscape normal), * and put it back on the table with the display visible (flat faceup). See also http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.html;hb=HEAD r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# mdbus -s -l listening for signals on SystemBus from service 'all', object 'all'... [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation ('flat faceup ',) [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation ('facedown ',) [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation ('held faceup portrait normal ',) [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation ('landscape ',) [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation.OrientationChangedfrom :1.47 /org/freesmartphone/Device/Orientation ('flat ',) To play with that, you need to download install a fsodeviced from HEAD (and all its dependencies) and activate the accelerometer plugin in /etc/frameworkd.conf: [fsodeviced] log_level = DEBUG log_to = stderr [fsodevice] [fsodevice.accelerometer] device_type = lis302 movement_idle_threshold = 15 movement_busy_threshold = 100 [fsodevice.accelerometer_lis302] inputnode = /input/event2 Note that you have to stop frameworkd for this experiments as fsodeviced is using the same busname as odeviced (of course... it's supposed to be a drop-in replacement soon). I hope we'll see some cool things with that now. I for one am planning to connect 'flat facedown' to suspend via oeventsd :) Cheers, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable] Failing to get a GPS fix on FSO. Ublox works..
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:05:53AM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: Did you reboot twice? You need to do so! Have rebooted ~twice a day for about a week now :) (I've had the SHR installation for ~week) - that doesn't solve this. (and OK, I have some stuff installed and it's not a clean SHR so can't really confirm without reflashing..) I did an opkg upgrade a couple of days ago and rebooted only once. Things appeared to be working, but they weren't really working that well. After a second reboot it worked (as) fine as ever since. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote: Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps. One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way (panel, click on close). Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB Networking disabled
I now have it working. I changed the USB networking related features including cdc-ether as built-in, as opposed to modules, which was the original configuration. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:31 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: - is cdc-ether built-in or a module? - how do you make sure it is not recognized? syslog? - das the log say anything at all about usb? - what exactly are you seeing when pluggin in the fr on the host side? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Where can I buy miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapters in Ca nada?
Hello list, A few days ago, I was chatting with DocScrutinizer in #openmoko on FreeNode about using a USB → Ethernet adapter to connect my FreeRunner directly to my Ethernet LAN. DocScrutinizer told me I need a miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapter or a cable like this: http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=971535 Where can I buy such an adapter or cable in Canada? I live in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada. I already checked some local computer stores (NCIX, A-Power) and a distributor (ACP Marketing), but none appear to have what I need. I know there is at least one other list member who lives in the Lower Mainland, and there must be other Canadian members even if they live elsewhere in Canada. Thanks, Brolin -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “If you have to ask why, you’re not a member of the intended audience.” — Bob Zimbinski, http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak schrieb: On 9/10/09, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: * improved resume time Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I don't think less is really needed :P Hmmm it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring and get a GREEN Button. Don't think, this is fast. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:12:35PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote: Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps. One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way (panel, click on close). Nharga... One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable real estate and you can close the window easily with an alternative way (panel, click on close). Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where can I buy miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapte rs in Canada?
No, you need something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812150048 and you can find them basically anywhere. I've accrued about 7+ over the years, from digital cameras, hubs, cell phones, etc, etc. Even the FR came with one. -Tonym Brolin Empey wrote: Hello list, A few days ago, I was chatting with DocScrutinizer in #openmoko on FreeNode about using a USB → Ethernet adapter to connect my FreeRunner directly to my Ethernet LAN. DocScrutinizer told me I need a miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapter or a cable like this: http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=971535 Where can I buy such an adapter or cable in Canada? I live in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada. I already checked some local computer stores (NCIX, A-Power) and a distributor (ACP Marketing), but none appear to have what I need. I know there is at least one other list member who lives in the Lower Mainland, and there must be other Canadian members even if they live elsewhere in Canada. Thanks, Brolin -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “If you have to ask why, you’re not a member of the intended audience.” — Bob Zimbinski, http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
3-4 rings here. I didn't realize that folks thought the resume time was already sufficient. Russell Dwiggins Sebastian Krzyszkowiak schrieb: On 9/10/09, Laszlo KREKACS mailto:laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: * improved resume time Improved resume time? It's about one second here from clicking power button to full resume (with screen redraw and userland actions). I don't think less is really needed :P Hmmm it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring and get a GREEN Button. Don't think, this is fast. Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.66/2325 - Release Date: 08/25/09 06:08:00 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where can I buy miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapte rs in Canada?
What your friend ment to say is: you need a usb-mini (Male:=Standard) to Usb-Type A(this is the big flat one)-FEMALE (same as in your usb-hub) Adapter. So you can plug any Device with its standard cable. There are other solutions, for example a USB-Mini to USB-Type B and an Hub with that Tyoe B. Brolin Empey schrieb: Hello list, A few days ago, I was chatting with DocScrutinizer in #openmoko on FreeNode about using a USB → Ethernet adapter to connect my FreeRunner directly to my Ethernet LAN. DocScrutinizer told me I need a miniUSB-m → USB-A-f adapter or a cable like this: http://www.conrad.de/goto.php?artikel=971535 Where can I buy such an adapter or cable in Canada? I live in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada. I already checked some local computer stores (NCIX, A-Power) and a distributor (ACP Marketing), but none appear to have what I need. I know there is at least one other list member who lives in the Lower Mainland, and there must be other Canadian members even if they live elsewhere in Canada. -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Matthias Huber Kohlstattstr. 14 86459 Wollishausen Tel: 08238-7998 LPI000181125 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
2009/9/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable real estate and you can close the window easily with an alternative way (panel, click on close). Good point. Apps also shouldn't have a fullscreen button. There should be a fullscreen option in illume itself, so you can do it to any app you want. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fmwrote: 2009/9/10 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable real estate and you can close the window easily with an alternative way (panel, click on close). Good point. Apps also shouldn't have a fullscreen button. There should be a fullscreen option in illume itself, so you can do it to any app you want. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I like these ideas...but how would you get out of a fullscreen app? or close a full screen app if it didnt have a close or un-fullscreen option in the app itself? -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
2009/9/10 Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.com I like these ideas...but how would you get out of a fullscreen app? or close a full screen app if it didnt have a close or un-fullscreen option in the app itself? -Dan Staley With gestures. Let me do some marketing here :-) Litemoko puts every app fullscreen. You switch between apps or close them with simple gestures. This way my FR has about 8mm more usable screen space on the top, because I don't need the illume top panel. And I don't need to stick my finger in the corner to switch apps. Closing apps is also faster. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjbgiE6GU5U http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litemoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: Hmmm it takes three rings until i can get the call (heear a ring and get a GREEN Button. Don't think, this is fast. Which distro? I used to have this problem with OM2008 - I missed a bunch of calls because of it and then switched to QTEI. I've since tried OM2009 and am now using SHR-U, without this issue. If I call myself from a land line using SHR-U, I see the screen turn on at exactly the same time as I hear the ring on the land-line, and the FR starts to ring before the first ring on the landline finishes. I don't have a stop-watch, but it certainly seems fast enough. I *think* that this is related to the kernel logging - there are instructions floating around on how to turn off/down the kernel logging which might help. Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
Radek Polak wrote: So enjoy, thanks to everyone who helped with this release and let me know how you like it. Cheers Radek Hi Radek as always, i love QtMoko! It's fast, stable and reliable, even GPRS works out of the box here. :) The only thing that doesn't really work is Bluetooth. ATM it seems to survive suspend/resume and my Headset is identified and paired. But QtMoko doesn't use it while phoning. I can hear a small buzz (like phone without signal) but it doesn't work, even when i switch to bluetooth Headset via Options in the lower left. Are there any plans to fix that in the future (even when QtMoko v9 is the last one)? Greetings Sascha ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CellHunters data integrated in OpenCellID
Hi, nice to hear. I think with all this collected data we can start something cool :) Greetings, Sebastian Hammerl Thomas Landspurg schrieb: Hello everybody, Just to inform that we have succesfully integrated CellHunters data into the OpenCellID database. The database is now more than 570 000 cells for 48 310 000 measures The signal strengh field hase been imported, as well the gname wich is the name of the team who have created the measures. So thanks to Sebastian Hammer of CellsHunter for helping me and to all the cell hunters! ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Hello list, Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male. I am 22 and still live with my parents. I have never lived away from my parents. I am planning to hire a support worker to help me live away from my parents (I have another meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely defer trying to live away from my parents. I named my form of procrastination “priority inversion” because what is, in practical terms, my lowest priority, becomes my highest priority. For example, I choose to spend my free time playing with my computers, including my FreeRunner, instead of learning about human biology and/or nutrition, which will affect me every day of my life, and at least trying to live away from my parents. When I say I play with my computers, I do not mean gaming: I almost never play games anymore. Even when I decide I want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading about games, viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of the endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game. I feel like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and stimulation in the Too Much Information Age. I always feel like the NET Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice, etc. I recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine, which is constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its database. I have Asperger’s Syndrome, but can function much better, at least in terms of interacting with people in person, than when I was in high school, for example. I used to often feel like I had social anxiety disorder because I would get so anxious and/or worried even when calling someone on the phone (on my parents’s landline because I did not have a cell phone until 2008) that I could not speak clearly enough for the person on the other end to understand me, so I would always have to repeat myself at least once for every turn of the conversation. I am a purist and have been called the most pedantic person in the world by Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and Netscape/Mozilla fame. :) Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if know what is meant from the context. For example, I am bothered by people mentioning a “standard” transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual transmission. Standard depends on the vehicle. Automatic is standard for some vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat *panel*) a “flat screen” (high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is a service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me to “select octane” instead of “select ctane” (sp?) or “select fuel grade”. My car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine. I have been highly influenced by my father, Brian Empey. Brian is a Professional Engineer (Electrical Engineering). He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol) in 1996 with his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee Schellenberg). Techsol is an embedded computer hardware company specialising in Linux on ARM architecture. I am very fortunate to be able to work at Techsol. I am a Linux + Windows System Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer person. I think my responsibiles are more important than my title(s). I know I am very dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which I bought from my dad), have a Class 7 driver’s licence (the Novice stage of the Graduated Licensing Program in British Columbia, Canada. I live in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada), my own credit union account, debit (Interac) card, MasterCard credit card, personal cheques (*not*checks!), which I almost never use (I think I have written a total of 3 cheques in my life), cell phones (Nokia 6103b + FreeRunner), PayPal account, domain names (brolin.be + others), Virtual Private Server (VPS), which hosts my personal Web site, PCs and peripherals, far too many original/boxed PC games, which I almost never play anymore, bicycle, ... I am definitely a relatively rich/wealthy person in Canada and extremely wealthy compared to less fortunate people in both developed and developing countries. I know I should not complain because I am very fortunate; I know my life could always be *much* worse, even if I lack much first-hand experience of how much worse it could be. Anyway, enough rambling. I need to finally address the Subject of this message (I hope at least 1 person actually read this far!). How/where can I meet a female companion *in person* with similar interests and personality? Someone who can appreciate my
Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)
Hi, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: AFAIK, OpenBmap is told to import data from other projects We have imported the opencellid data once, to bring right now better coverage to the users. But this is supposed to be temporary. The target being to have only openBmap data or data from projects which share the level of quality we aim at. AFAIK, OpenBmap was started because of different views about important data to collect between OpenCellID and OpenBMap devels. Yes, we want the data to be of the best possible quality. This implies logging more details. And we try to make the clients sticking to this. 1) if OpenBMap imports from other projects, why it's missing the 7milj cellhunter cells? There are not 7 M cells. 140K or so I think. And at the time of the last import, no cellhunter data had made their way to opencellid database yet. But it was planned by cellhunter, thus we did not want to have to import them, and have to solve the conflicts when importing opencellid (embedding cellhunter data). 2) AFAIK There are no tools to benefit from the collected data yet I am working on a D-Bus service giving your location on your phone, note/net-book using an embedded database. Help is welcome :-) 3) Can't see a OpenCellID client for Freerunner Opencellid said there is... I think he referred to cellhunter, because cellhunter said he would upload the data from his project to opencellid on a regular basis. I earlier tried CellHunter, didn't work. For me OpenBmap is just easiest to use. Partly thanks to your feedback that I have tried to take into account. Thanks for this! Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Litephone 0.1
If you find any bugs or have feature requests, just report them on www.litephone.org I am using SHR-U but for litephone had always been crashing on bootup. I have already filed a bug [1] for this. Was wondering if I am the only one facing the issue??? --Vikas [1]: http://www.litephone.org/ticket/2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)
Hi Thomas, Thomas Landspurg wrote: Hello Risto, Here is a few facts from such FAQ: Not all accurate, though. Most of the cells from OpenBMap are coming from OpenCellID (the 'untrusted ones') Absolutely correct. Number is on your side. One of the main difference from the three is that only OpenCellID provides a complete access to the data and the measures. Does cellhunter not provide access to all the collected data? OpenBmap has on his main page the link to download all the data files, exactly as sent by the users. This is a fact you may have checked easily, or asked. For me the main difference between the projects, is that openBmap is focusing on the quality of the data. OpenCellId added a CVS uploader to import bulk CSV data files mainly to be compatible with the OpenBMap logger. I just don't have any OpenMoko phone to test it. Do you mean cellhunter? I've been out of the mailing list from some time because I am not involved in the OpenMoko community (I am more involved in J2ME and others platforms), but I would be happy to reactivate the integration effort. Yes, glad you came back after I contacted you about three weeks ago, in order to reopen the dialog. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FW: [balr...@gmail.com: Re: Mplayer patch for glamo MPEG decoder]
Hi community, is there someone brave enough to continue with balrogg's work? - Forwarded message from andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com - Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:33:49 +0200 Subject: Re: Mplayer patch for glamo MPEG decoder From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com To: Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com Hi Martin, 2009/9/8 Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com: I've updated them for latest mplayer code and used them in OE repo. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-July/051593.html Many thanks, I've merged your changes into master of that fork repo. Let me know what your username is if you want to use that repository for development. Thomas White (developer of glamo DRI driver with KMS support) suggested to use DRI for this MPEG decoder access. I'm not as experienced as you are, my skills and time were hardly enough for merging your patch with modified configure/Makefile and few other small changes in upstream. Yes, I think using that DRI for the decoder access would be the way to go, also perhaps using one of the new frameworks that popped up in mplayer. Unforunately I won't have to time to work on that and I might not have the required skills either, I've never done advanced graphics stuff. Are you still interested in mplayer glamo code? Have you tried to push your patches upstream (I haven't found any e-mail about that in mplayer ML)? I've never tried to push them because I wasn't sure my approach was correct, I suppose the use of the hwmp4 codec that I added has now either been obsoleted upstream by a similar codec added by somebody else or there is some new entire frame that obsoletes all the passthrough codecs. Now I won't have time to work on it and the other demotivator is that the number of GTA02s that have been produced with the glamo chip is limited and the new models I hear will not have it. Thanks for your work on making the mplayer fork usable on Neo so far. Cheers - End forwarded message - -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)
Leonti Bielski wrote: So how good or bad the data from Cellhunter project? Please see the nice work from Christian Gagneraud in the archive about comparison of what's get logged/stored by CH, OBM and OCI logger/database: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049238.html Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)
Thomas Landspurg wrote: Again , and clarifiacation: ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells), the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;) OpenCellID: 433 574 cells CellHunter: 148 943 cells OpenBMap: 82 963 cells (sorry for talking the risk of being the 'bad' guy agin, but at the end that's a little bit annoying) No problem. This is absolutely correct. Stating facts never hurts :-) Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:19:46PM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/9/10 Dan Staley daniel.l.sta...@gmail.com I like these ideas...but how would you get out of a fullscreen app? or close a full screen app if it didnt have a close or un-fullscreen option in the app itself? -Dan Staley With gestures. Let me do some marketing here :-) I hate gestures, the potential of conflicts between them and apps is huge. Under your scenario, consider a drawing program... you will need an edit mode and gesture mode (think vi edit and command modes). Same for almost every graphical app, in fact... Litemoko puts every app fullscreen. You switch between apps or close them with simple gestures. This way my FR has about 8mm more usable screen space on the top, because I don't need the illume top panel. And I don't need to stick my finger in the corner to switch apps. Closing apps is also faster. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjbgiE6GU5U http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Litemoko But I will check Litephone, if anyone can assure me it works at least as well as current shr-u as a phone :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
On Thursday 10 September 2009 20:05:44 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical? Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from holding it +-5 degrees (or so). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
On Thursday 10 September 2009 23:23:46 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009 20:05:44 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: What is 'held'? slightly not straight-vertical? Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from holding it +-5 degrees (or so). Err, that was written in a suboptimal way. Next try: Held is the opposite of flat, i.e. everything that deviates from laying flat on the table with a tilt of +-5 degrees (or so). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Soo offtopic. Tipp: look at gk2gk.com Personal opinion about this content: Stay where you are. Keep beeing happy with your computer and don't believe anyone who tries to make your live better. There were a lot of people who tried to make my life better and let me hurted in the rain behind. It is your live, your own live, and if youre happy when you sold and code and try new gadgets and create new things then do what you like. My self (developing OM for HTC-Dream right now) was happy with coding and solding and so on, until I began to wonder whats out there, in the world of the pizza man. A wonderful girl was the reason, a woman who is best described by every thing I could think of, when someone says the word perfection. Geeky, smart, funny, beautyfull. In short terms nearly perfect. But I didnt know how to express, how to act. The failures I made still hurt. I tried a few things to get in contact with people, but I found out, I didnt miss anything. I was too smart to interact with them. They became anoyed, some started to hate me. What if you get a girl, she remarks, that she cant control you, hurts you by leafing you, or she can control and manipulate you, and then youre not your self anymore... It hurts you anyway. My self came to the conclusion that I hate it to be human. Frankly I hate ubuntu because of one of the mainreasons is the comment under the name Ubuntu - Linux for Human beeings Yes I hate it, the life is a bunch of shit, when you take a nearer look. Keep beeing happy and stay behind your computer. Thats what I should have done from the beginning. leviathan -- David Lanzendörfer OpenSourceSupport GmbH Junior system engineer and supporter signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Hi Brolin, I commend you for your openness and courage for putting yourself out there like you have. I've known a few guys with your particular traits and I sympathise. I imagine it would be very difficult to find your place communally, a lot of people don't understand how over-thought and considered every social interaction is for someone such as yourself. The guys I have known have found it very difficult to interpret body language which can scare off a lot of people, they've needed people who understand and are willing to educate them or at least tell them when something may be to their detriment. Most people won't say a thing, endure, then run a mile. Although it is possible there may be someone on this list who can aide you in your search, I'd suggest seeking out a support service with like minded people. Typing aspergers support forum mailing list into google reveals there are a few, though I can't vouch for any of them. I wish you all the best, I believe there is someone, and a place, for everyone. Good luck mate. Sarton On 11/09/2009 6:12 AM, Brolin Empey wrote: Hello list, Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male. I am 22 and still live with my parents. I have never lived away from my parents. I am planning to hire a support worker to help me live away from my parents (I have another meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely defer trying to live away from my parents. I named my form of procrastination “priority inversion” because what is, in practical terms, my lowest priority, becomes my highest priority. For example, I choose to spend my free time playing with my computers, including my FreeRunner, instead of learning about human biology and/or nutrition, which will affect me every day of my life, and at least trying to live away from my parents. When I say I play with my computers, I do not mean gaming: I almost never play games anymore. Even when I decide I want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading about games, viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of the endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game. I feel like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and stimulation in the Too Much Information Age. I always feel like the NET Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice, etc. I recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine, which is constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its database. I have Asperger’s Syndrome, but can function much better, at least in terms of interacting with people in person, than when I was in high school, for example. I used to often feel like I had social anxiety disorder because I would get so anxious and/or worried even when calling someone on the phone (on my parents’s landline because I did not have a cell phone until 2008) that I could not speak clearly enough for the person on the other end to understand me, so I would always have to repeat myself at least once for every turn of the conversation. I am a purist and have been called the most pedantic person in the world by Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and Netscape/Mozilla fame. :) Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if know what is meant from the context. For example, I am bothered by people mentioning a “standard” transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual transmission. Standard depends on the vehicle. Automatic is standard for some vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat /panel/) a “flat screen” (high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is a service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me to “select octane” instead of “select ctane” (sp?) or “select fuel grade”. My car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine. I have been highly influenced by my father, Brian Empey. Brian is a Professional Engineer (Electrical Engineering). He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol) in 1996 with his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee Schellenberg). Techsol is an embedded computer hardware company specialising in Linux on ARM architecture. I am very fortunate to be able to work at Techsol. I am a Linux + Windows System Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer person. I think my responsibiles are more important than my title(s). I know I am very dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which I bought from my dad), have a Class 7 driver’s licence (the Novice stage of the
Re: [shr-u] first impressions
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 19:12 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:39:02PM +0200, arne anka wrote: Then where do you have any OK button? ok, it's called quit. And it's utterly useless, in fact I'm thinking of writing up a few small-screen usability recommendations for our friendly apps. One of them is: don't use quit/close/... buttons, they waste valuable eral estate and you can close the windown easily in an alternative way (panel, click on close). Rui Hooray - sense at last. Coming up with a user oriented interface, not a programmers idea of what he personally likes will be a great step forward. I like close buttons, but consistency is more important I think. And please, please get rid of those dumb sliders used where radio buttons are used :) BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
Stefan, what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people are looking for? I think at some point I will start to work on a table of 'hackable' hardware, because at least technically it's relatively easy to pin down features: Reflashable, unbrickable, all drivers in source form or some in binary, toolchain open, schematics/datasheets/layout/BOM published or not, etc. But this is only interesting to hackers, not normal users. What if a company supports the free software scene covertly (quite a few do because the reason they fear openness are patents, not hackers)? Who should 'rank' or 'qualify' hardware makers for how 'open' they are? I think we first need to define why someone is looking for openness, and what they expect from it. Can you explain your motives? What makes you interested in Openmoko, Qi, OpenPandora, etc.? Thanks, Wolfgang On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community