Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
Hello, I am interested too. Thanks Adrian ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Alexandre Ghisoli a...@ghisoli.ch An: community@lists.openmoko.org Datum: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:37:17 +0200 - Le Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:05 +0200, DRSp. it...@gmx.net a écrit : dear list, I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos there's a IT-firm involved. to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message in this list. cheers itman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm ! And all other hardware bug (capacitor, ..) Thanks -- Alexandre Ghisoli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: evopedia 0.2.3 release
Yaroslav Halchenko schrieb: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Christian wrote: I don't really understand. There should be no images in the dumps at all, only html files and coordinate information as symlinks. The images are only loaded from the wikipedia servers if there is a connection to the internet. ah... sorry I've probably got confused with wget -nv http://download.wikimedia.org/$LANGwiki/$DATE/$LANGwiki-$DATE-image.sql.gz; -O $DESTDIR/wiki-latest-image.sql.gz and echo Importing images... in http://github.com/crei/evopedia/blob/576d085e62297d1566c3d82d722acb4220b3da2f/createdump.sh ;-) Ah you are right. These are only the database entries for the images (and not the image data itself), they are used to create the correct urls for the images. Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers
I have updated my Alpha.kbd layout changes in this version: 1. Changed type to Alpha 2. Increased space between keys by one pixel to reduce typing mistakes 3. Added : and ; characters to facilitate typing emoticons The new version is available at this URL: http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/18573b096dda/Alpha.kbd Regards, -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko - QtBackup
ghislain wrote: I just released a new small backup-application (which is not in the QtMoko feeds yet). This little application creates a qtbackup.tgz on the sdcard. Very nice. Can someony please tell me how to get this app in the QtMoko feeds? (Radek?) And of course I would like to upload the source to some git, qtmoko-apps on github? (Sektor?) The simplest way is to create project on github. Then let me know and i will add the app to qtmoko-apps as subproject and i can also build it and upload to QtMoko feed. Another way is to fork qtmoko-apps, add it there and i can merge it back, but i think the solutioin with subprojects is better. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
On 12.10.2009 22:13, DRSp. wrote: I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos there's a IT-firm involved. to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message in this list. I'm interested too. Regards Christian smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
2009/10/13 William Lai w...@openmoko.com: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau maxpose...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all! First of all, my congratulations with releasing mystical Project B ! Thank you all for the continuing support. We're really excited about today. Wikireader looks awesome, and I think most interested question for all openmoko community now is: How to buy WikiReader? Looks like amazon doesn't ship this device to all countries. (why?!). It all comes down to price. It's just too expensive for you (outside the US) and we didn't think it was worth the rush. Paying $85 USD for a $99 dollar device isn't exactly helpful. We're working on getting more devices and of course global shipping as well. We'll definitely post something once that is available. Stay tuned to hear from us within the next week. Could you explain your view about delivery, and country statuses, where you ship, and where not, and if not, when you will. Right now we ship to US and Canada only. Amazon didn't allow us to set independent shipping rates for various countries. It only offers a fixed rate for 'outside US' and 'Asia'. That would mean $85 to the UK and $85 to Mexico -- not fair. As for me, it is interesting how to deliver this device to Belarus) I'm just as interested at this point.. please stay tuned. Regards Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi all, OM has enabled the international shipping, it will take 10-20 days and there is no track number, I want a unit ASAP to test/review/hack myself and post about it and to be able to show it at conferences and any one who lives near and want to see it. Will has tell me to post the real time to delivere on the list and thats's what I will do :) I have place the order today 14th October at 8:00AM the total payment including shipping is 118.20 $ (spanish custom taxes pending). OM still has not a distributor policy but as soon they have it(and if we agree :P) I will buy a couple of Wikireaders to sell, stay tunned to know how long and how much David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rod Whitby (MokoMakefile author) moves on to start WebOS Internals
Hi Alan, On a related point freesmartphone.org seems to be using the old hackish 3gpp ts07.10 user space code. Correct, for systems which don't use premultiplexed drivers, we're resorting to a userland muxer (not the gsm0710muxd though, but rather a clean implementation based on other code). I'd love to see a kernel muxer, really. While I don't think it makes a difference on GPRS, it might improve system performance on EDGE or UMTS a lot. I've got almost all of a kernel driver only my AT+CMUX capable device has expired. Dunno if anyone is interested in finishing the job (its basically written but not at all debugged and I know the tx queueing needs work either to make it do all the priorities right or just forget the the whole priority nightmare) I think it'd be great if you could upload your code somewhere. Alternatively does anyone know what cheaper EU devices support AT+CMUX, it seems quite rare this side of the pond Do you no longer have an Openmoko device? If not, I could arrange to ship you one -- it may have problems, but at least the GSM would work. Best regards, Mickey. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
Hi Itman to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message in this list. Thank you for the organization. I am very interested. Best Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: As for you, I defently don't understand why you can't boot from uSD, plz try some very old images. Will hopefully be able to try some more tonight.. In the end I ordered a new FR.. got it yesterday.. :D Hope to get the other one up and running again, though. What I found weird, though, is: I put my old 8GB SD card in the new one (I used the 512MB card for the booting tests) and it had a very hard time with it (a lot of bad sectors).. now, I put the card the adapter and the reader.. and fdisk wouldn't even open the partition table of it.. :O I could understand data loss on the ext3 partition there, but the first few kilos should not have been touched when the battery was suddenly removed... Has anyone ever had that? I mean that an sdcard get's fubar-ed by a g-shock? Very strange.. :S anyway, I'll try to boot some more the the 512MB card.. is there a way to tell whether the FR is booting from the SD compared to the NAND? can I erase the NAND rootfs somehow? Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ Adapting old programs to fit new machines usually means adapting new machines to behave like old ones. - Alan J. Perlis -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : I have place the order today 14th October at 8:00AM the total payment including shipping is 118.20 $ (spanish custom taxes pending). Regarding eur-$ conversion rate these days it seems pretty cool ! FYI France doesn't put custom taxes on electronic devices so the big equation for me should be : [US price (HT) + shipping port + VAT (20.6%)] * 0.67 (^^) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Survey: How does open source influence the community?
Hello again, as promised, here you can find my first release of aggregated survey results for all communities: http://open-innovation-projects.org/my-research#part2 And here are the results from the Openmoko community: http://open-innovation-projects.org/openmoko-survey-results/ The survey is also still open for participation ;-) Best regards Kerstin On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:04:36 +0200, Kerstin kerba.li...@open-innovation-projects.org wrote: Hi, I'm a researcher in the field of open source beyond software. Currently I'm investigating the special meaning of openness and its importance for the communities in this field. Your opinion as Openmoko community member is very important to me! That's why I'm inviting you to fill out my survey. Answering the questions may take about 5-7 minutes. The individual responses will be kept strictly confidential, aggregated results will be published as soon as the survey is finished. Your response will help advance my research on the nature of hardware/software open source projects and help improve the quality of open source projects. I can also provide some specific results about Openmoko, if you are interested in details about your community. Please follow this link: http://www.survey.open-innovation-projects.org/start/36/ The survey is conducted on a per project basis. In case you receive my request more than once, it's because you are involved in several communities. It would be great if you would fill out the survey more than once, for all projects which are relevant to you. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me. If you are interested in more details about me and my research, please take a look at: http://open-innovation-projects.org/my-research Thank you very much for your help! Best regards Kerstin Balka ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
voice calls with 3G USB dongle
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here, but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle? Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei E169 3G USB dongle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
Petr Vanek wrote: [...] As mentioned previously, we would test on one piece first, confirm, then we would run the test script on all three pieces done. BTW, you can see how he has done the buzz fix for us (sleek design in placing the cap) and has taken a few shots on his work photo microscope: http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/SOP/ Assuming this works out well - what fixes are you going to offer? All 3 (buzz, #1024, bass)? Or the first two? Will it be possible to send in a phone from Norway? Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
Petr Vanek wrote: [...] As mentioned previously, we would test on one piece first, confirm, then we would run the test script on all three pieces done. BTW, you can see how he has done the buzz fix for us (sleek design in placing the cap) and has taken a few shots on his work photo microscope: http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/SOP/ Assuming this works out well - what fixes are you going to offer? All 3 (buzz, #1024, bass)? Or the first two? Will it be possible to send in a phone from Norway? Let me check with the guy as i don't think we could make this in large scale due to time constrains at his side... I will let you know, Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that connects over a data link. BillK On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 13:58 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here, but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle? Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei E169 3G USB dongle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now. (I use the latest shr-unstable kernel) I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it works - everytime! I can even suspend and resume, and wpa-supplicant keeps managing the connection after resume. I had to restart udhcpc, but that is of course not a driver problem. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
Helge, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now. I agree! I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it works - everytime! Could you share this script with us? Or put it on the WIki? Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
Maybe too hasty, does chan_sebi talk sip to the dongle (or maybe send gsm coded audio) so calls go from the dongle to the operator as per normal? - google isnt helping ... BillK On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 19:29 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that connects over a data link. BillK On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 13:58 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here, but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle? Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei E169 3G USB dongle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
On 10/14/09, Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com wrote: Helge, On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now. I agree! I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it works - everytime! Could you share this script with us? Or put it on the WIki? Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 I'm doing just fsoraw -r CPU,WiFi -- more, and after few seconds udhcpc... And thanks, that reminded me to update WiFi module in SHR Settings ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
http://lists.elastix.org/pipermail/beta-testers/2009-May/000517.html It looks to me like calls go from the dongle to the operator as normal, but that not all dongles are capable of this. On Wednesday 14 October 2009, William Kenworthy wrote: Maybe too hasty, does chan_sebi talk sip to the dongle (or maybe send gsm coded audio) so calls go from the dongle to the operator as per normal? - google isnt helping ... BillK On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 19:29 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that connects over a data link. BillK On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 13:58 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here, but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle? Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei E169 3G USB dongle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here, but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle? Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei E169 3G USB dongle. Idea looks interesting. Sriranjan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
Le lundi 12 octobre 2009 à 22:13 +0200, DRSp. a écrit : dear list, I'm about organizing a #1024-fix-party just without the party-part 'cos there's a IT-firm involved. to get a rough idea about how many FR's are to be fixed, drop a message in this list. cheers itman Hello, I'm also interested. Mathias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
Is that kernel the one from first of september from below? http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D Or is there a more recent kernel available somewhere? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.nowrote: Wifi used to be very unstable and quirky, but is much improved now. (I use the latest shr-unstable kernel) I can now run a script that powers up wifi, loads the kernel driver module, and then runs wpa-supplicant and udhcpc. And it works - everytime! I can even suspend and resume, and wpa-supplicant keeps managing the connection after resume. I had to restart udhcpc, but that is of course not a driver problem. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Martijn van den Broek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: Maybe too hasty, does chan_sebi talk sip to the dongle (or maybe send gsm coded audio) so calls go from the dongle to the operator as per normal? - google isnt helping ... They are normal GSM voice calls. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that connects over a data link. FR already has a sim and is 3G .Why do you want to connect it to a USB dongle that can make calls? Sriranjan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Moko free runner as GPS tracking device for automobiles and Vibration test rig
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM, RANJAN infi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Check out the attempt of I and my team of friends: GPS tracking using FR on a CAR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtS_pU9kyp8feature=channel Vibration measurement and Analysis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fUorY2ekMfeature=channel Regards Sriranjan this is really fantastic. do you have any plans to expand its functionality to g-force, lap timing, or acceleration? im really hopping for a version of g-tac for the openmoko!! http://www.apptism.com/apps/g-tac-pro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thanks for good work on the WIFI driver
2009/10/14 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no I can even suspend and resume, and wpa-supplicant keeps managing the connection after resume. I had to restart udhcpc, but that is of course not a driver problem. Helge Hafting does the wifi antenna keep eating power while suspended or does it turn off? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
FR is not 3G. It is only GPRS. -Dan On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:38 AM, RANJAN infi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that connects over a data link. FR already has a sim and is 3G .Why do you want to connect it to a USB dongle that can make calls? Sriranjan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Sales start today at http://thewikireader.com. Enjoy. Tell your friends. And let us know what you think! My first impression of the device - it's a Palm IIIx with 1000 times more storage, but poorer connectivity and fewer applications. I have an electronic subscription to a couple of science-fiction magazines which I currently read on my old Palm IIIx. It's showing its age so I have been looking for a replacement for a while now. The Wikireader (with its sunlight-readable screen and AAA batteries) would fit this category as soon as an e-book reader application is available. Some other PDA applications like a calculator and a memo pad would be nice but I can live without them. If/when an e-book application is developed, it would be nice to have an SD-card image of the Project Gutenberg archive. I also have a question - what happens to equations and graphs in Wikipedia articles (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessel_functions)? Are equations rendered graphically or are they only shown in markup language? Are SVG images supported? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau maxpose...@gmail.com wrote: and I think most interested question for all openmoko community now is: I think the most interested question is: What are they smoking? Seriously guys, any ebook reader is way more advanced then this WikiReader, and it is not suited for the job at all. It does not support colored images, or images at all. And reading the general feedback on the web (engadget, two other local sites), almost all of the commenters find this device a joke. I couldnt read *one* positive feedback from them. In plus, evopedia was not generating too much interests either. And I do think evopedia is much more advanced than this *dedicated* device. At least implement offline wiktionary.org, to be able to promote as a replacement for electronic dictionary devices. Sorry for my harsh comment, but my bad joke just came true: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Laszlo: I even found the first prototype;) http://www.rob-matthews.com/index.php?/project/wikipedia/ I truly hope, Im wrong here, and I wish you success! Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tips when GSM doesn't work
There is a thread on the SHR user mailing list about this issue. I don't think there was any consensus on what causes it or how to avoid it though. -Steven 2009/10/13 Cristian Gómez cristianp...@gmail.com: I re-read my previous message and I think this part can be confusing: ..I tried calling to the FR and it rings but it wasn't noticeable by any event on the FR. it rings: means that I hear the ring on the phone from I was calling (don't know how to make it more clear, but I think you have the point now) / * Don't Worry...Be Linux * Cristian Gómez Alvarez * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computación * Universidad de Caldas * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales * IEEE/WIE Student Member * Linux User #463617 * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com / El 13 de octubre de 2009 21:11, Cristian Gómez cristianp...@gmail.com escribió: Thank you so much to all of you for your answers. I can't determine what was the problem, I changed the SIM and it works and after a while I put the *bad SIM again and it works well after that. I notice another thing that happened to me today: My FR doesn't wake up after a suspend, like it was on deep sleep mode. I tried calling to the FR and it rings but it wasn't noticeable by any event on the FR. Unfortunally again, it only have happened this time so I don't have any log or something :S if it happens again, I'll try to grab some information about it. Until now I'm with the *bad SIM working well. Did your FR suffer from an impact? Or do you think your problem is software related? Niels, this is not my case but thanks for the advice to try to not let fall the FR. I hope yours doesn't have any serious damage and you can figure out what was affected with the fall Thanks again for your answers * Bad as the SIM that give me the problem / * Don't Worry...Be Linux * Cristian Gómez Alvarez * Ingeniero en Sistemas y Computación * Universidad de Caldas * Comunidad de Software Libre Manizales * IEEE/WIE Student Member * Linux User #463617 * Mi Blog: http://cristianpark.sehablalinux.com / ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: As for you, I defently don't understand why you can't boot from uSD, plz try some very old images. it's all the same for me.. :( stalls.. and I made sure that it indeed uses the SDcard.. Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ IBM: It may be slow, but it's hard to use. - Andrew Tannenbaum -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: #1024-Fix in switzerland
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:00:48 +0200 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm (MB) wrote: Sending to Czech Republic would be definitely easier as there are no customs involved (I'm in Poland). Does the person you've got provide any guarantees for the rework? Would you guys test my FR to see if the recamping is gone before you send it back? Michal, we have given one FR to the tech guy today, with the hope he will have it ready before Friday. the biggest question is how reliably is he gonna be able to open up the can... the fix is then quite trivial... closing up also. i am hoping to drive over on Friday to have my FR #1024_fixed too, the weekend should be survived on one batter charge only :) (well, i guess not for me, as i have only one really weak cell tower around...) anyhow, i'll keep you up to date, Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
Hm... can you try compile your own kernel without nand/jffs2 support at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
* Thomas Franck wrote, Il 14/10/2009 22:42: Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: As for you, I defently don't understand why you can't boot from uSD, plz try some very old images. it's all the same for me.. :( stalls.. and I made sure that it indeed uses the SDcard.. I have exactly the same problem: never booted form sd card, with Stall error on screen. -- Andrea ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner.. CPU stall messages.. repairable?
Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: Hm... can you try compile your own kernel without nand/jffs2 support at all? I can try.. but it will take some time.. need to set up an environment for that.. I'm a Win32 developer.. and my first try of building the SHR failed with loads of errors that I had a bad time figuring out.. do you know where I can find instructions for compiling a custom kernel for the neo? Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ In addition to prototyping, Dan put together a reference card for users. If we couldn't figure out how to explain a feature on the reference card we would change the program. The original method for copying formulas was too complicated so we just changed the design rather than try to explain it. - Bob Frankston, author (with Dan Bricklin) of VisiCalc -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here, but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle? Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei E169 3G USB dongle. Nice! how is the audio routed to the host? is it possibile to make the same on the freerunner? Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 21:08 +0530, RANJAN wrote: Sorry, thats not what I am asking - can I make normal voice calls like a standard 3g phone, not have to set up a private VoIP system that connects over a data link. FR already has a sim and is 3G .Why do you want to connect it to a USB dongle that can make calls? Sriranjan The FR can use a 3G SIM, but cant connect to a 3G network - which is my problem. GSM seems to be diminishing with 3G coverage quickly expanding into new areas. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[fso based] Resource Allocation
Hi everyone! I have some questions concerning the allocation of FSO resources: 1) If the Display resource is allocated (e.g. utilizing fsoraw + application) the device will not suspend. Other resources (of course except CPU) do not show this blocking effect. So why this special handling for Display? Annotation: So the following excerpt of fsoraw -h seems to make no sense?! ... examples: fsoraw --resources CPU,Display tangogps ... 2) If solely the CPU resource is requested I would except that the Display will blank. This is not the case. Trying to have a pure GPS logger utilizing fsoraw --resources CPU tangogps doesn't bring the expected result. For the logger scenario a workaround for me was to enable screen-locking instead, but of course with much higher energy drain than wanted, especially due to unavoidable touchscreen presses inside my pocket. Annotation: It seems that Neil Brown did some coding around this problem but I haven't tested it on current SHR-U yet. Furthermore I think this non blanking is a general problem (blame me if not). http://neil.brown.name/blog/20090128025654 http://neil.brown.name/git?p=freerunner;a=blob;f=lock/lock.py;h=9adc658b7081572829f1fc3c866b58b257ccb280;hb=ceb0fdcd0dd60d8c5400bec58df7f0f901665bdc 3) Fsoraw from Nicola Ranaldo does a great job. Unfortunately, it does not allow to make some resoure re-allocation for already running applications. Sometimes it may be desired to switch allocation on the fly, without the need to stop/start the program or without the need to override allocations from settings menue. Would it make sense to have some kind of resource manager instead of current fsoraw or should this be done within FSO? 4) One more point concerning Display allocation. For me there are three use cases: a) display blanking (logger), b) display with auto-dimming (tangogps while riding my bike) c) display always on (navit). Would it be feasible to pimp fsoraw to have something like this: ad a) fsoraw -r CPU tangogps ad b) fsoraw -r CPU,DispDim tangogps ad c) fsoraw -r CPU,DispNoDim navit And as I am already writing to the community I've one more question concerning #2^10 5) Why is ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never used by default on SHR instead of auto? Is there a problem with the recamping detection algorithm/procedure? Cheers, Boris -- Neu: GMX DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: voice calls with 3G USB dongle
I was wondering about those details too. If it works, perhaps FSO could consider adding support for the huawei E169 or similar 3G modems :D Eric Nicola Mfb wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: So the FR is now obsolete - but is it possible to use the FR with an external 3G dongle? - I know it works for data from previous posts here, but can you make voice/sms calls from an external 3G dongle? Yes, chan_sebi module of asterisk can do voice calls with my huawei E169 3G USB dongle. Nice! how is the audio routed to the host? is it possibile to make the same on the freerunner? Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] Default deep sleep mode (was: Re: [fso based] Resource Allocation)
Boris Stender boris.sten...@gmx.de writes: And as I am already writing to the community I've one more question concerning #2^10 5) Why is ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never used by default on SHR instead of auto? Is there a problem with the recamping detection algorithm/procedure? It's not exactly reliable, especially given that while it will be detecting recamping you might lose some calls already. Moreover, this scheme doesn't work when the device is suspended which might give especiall unpleasant surprises. If you want deep sleep, just do the hardware fix, it's not that hard, i did myself two already. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] source uploaded to github
Hello Everyone, The source code to WikiReader has been uploaded to github, it can be downloaded using: git clone git://github.com/wikireader/wikireader.git Please note that the gcc cross compiler does not work if compiled on a 64 bit Linux, read doc/Using-schroot.text if you want to try compiling. For 32 bit look at the same file to see which packages to install. -- Best regards. Christopher Hall hswATopenmoko.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 1024#
Hi, I recently got my phone buzz and 1024 fixed in Delhi. (Thanks Zoheb and Rakshat). But, I now have a different problem. My phone refuses to register to the cell 3 out of 4 times with the following errors :- 2009.10.15 07:29:37.114 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from enabled to disabling 2009.10.15 07:29:38.235 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabling to disabled 2009.10.15 07:29:38.395 ophoned.protocol INFO removing protocol GSM 2009.10.15 07:29:43.927 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabled to enabling 2009.10.15 07:29:43.948 ogsmd.channelINFO CallChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 3600 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:43.996 ogsmd.channelINFO UnsolicitedResponseChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:44.99 ogsmd.channelINFO MiscChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:44.149 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:29:57.870 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:57.880 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:11.55 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:11.65 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:24.375 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:24.502 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:37.700 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:37.710 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:50.900 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:50.910 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:04.100 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:04.109 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:17.300 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:17.310 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:30.485 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:30.495 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:43.675 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:43.805 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:56.985 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:56.997 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:32:10.355 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:32:10.365 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:32:23.540 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:32:23.550 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' and so on Any ideas what the problem could be? What do MISC, UNSOL and CALL mean? Thanks -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/1024-tp3780520p3826812.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM errors after 1024 fix
Hi, Thought I'll start a new thread. I got the buzz and 1024 fixes done at Delhi yesterday (thanks Zoheb and Rakshat). But after a few restarts I'm facing this new problem - my modem doesn't register and I get errors like :- 2009.10.15 07:29:37.114 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from enabled to disabling 2009.10.15 07:29:38.235 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabling to disabled 2009.10.15 07:29:38.395 ophoned.protocol INFO removing protocol GSM 2009.10.15 07:29:43.927 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabled to enabling 2009.10.15 07:29:43.948 ogsmd.channelINFO CallChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 3600 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:43.996 ogsmd.channelINFO UnsolicitedResponseChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:44.99 ogsmd.channelINFO MiscChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:44.149 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:29:57.870 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:57.880 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:11.55 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:11.65 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:24.375 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:24.502 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:37.700 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:37.710 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:50.900 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:50.910 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:04.100 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:04.109 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:17.300 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:17.310 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:30.485 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:30.495 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:43.675 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:43.805 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:56.985 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:56.997 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:32:10.355 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:32:10.365 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:32:23.540 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:32:23.550 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' and so on Any ideas what the problem could be? What do MISC, UNSOL and CALL mean? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GSM-errors-after-1024-fix-tp3827146p3827146.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM errors after 1024 fix
Did u manage to register at all after the fix? Or the error started later? On 10/15/09, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Thought I'll start a new thread. I got the buzz and 1024 fixes done at Delhi yesterday (thanks Zoheb and Rakshat). But after a few restarts I'm facing this new problem - my modem doesn't register and I get errors like :- 2009.10.15 07:29:37.114 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from enabled to disabling 2009.10.15 07:29:38.235 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabling to disabled 2009.10.15 07:29:38.395 ophoned.protocol INFO removing protocol GSM 2009.10.15 07:29:43.927 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from disabled to enabling 2009.10.15 07:29:43.948 ogsmd.channelINFO CallChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 3600 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:43.996 ogsmd.channelINFO UnsolicitedResponseChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:44.99 ogsmd.channelINFO MiscChannel via unknown: Creating channel with timeout = 300 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:44.149 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:29:57.870 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:29:57.880 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:11.55 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:11.65 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:24.375 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:24.502 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:37.700 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:37.710 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:30:50.900 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:30:50.910 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:04.100 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:04.109 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:17.300 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:17.310 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:30.485 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:30.495 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:43.675 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:43.805 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:31:56.985 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:31:56.997 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:32:10.355 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:32:10.365 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' 2009.10.15 07:32:23.540 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERRORcould not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds 2009.10.15 07:32:23.550 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'fso-abyss' and so on Any ideas what the problem could be? What do MISC, UNSOL and CALL mean? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GSM-errors-after-1024-fix-tp3827146p3827146.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
