Re: Ringtone volume and latency
2010/1/2 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au: Just a couple of thoughts - missing calls is rarely to do with volume and not hearing the ring (I have changed the standard tones though), and more to do with crashes. Ah, OK, I didn't realise that. (I don't yet get enough incoming mobile calls to have a significant sample.) Still, the CPU needed to decode Ogg (or another compressed audio format) could be contributing to that. One of the most annoying is using tangogps full screen (or any other app full screen) and a call comes in the top screen can (not always) lose focus and you cant do anything except pull the battery (doesnt recognise finger/stylus). In Debian I use auxlaunch for switching between windows. This is triggered by the AUX button and so is pretty reliable. Could you use that (or a similar approach) to solve this focus problem? Another is hearing the other end, but they cant hear you - also happens randomly. OK. (I haven't experienced this one yet.) There is a lot going on when a call comes in so its not only audio player latency but enabling the audio path, setting up alsa, handling the call itself, starting the caller application, ... And in amongst that it has to play the audio as well. Currently this isnt too bad for me when I set ring only (no vibe) and use the debugfs hack. With both ring and vibe there is a very obvious delay - I'd guess 1 or 2 seconds - between when the vibe starts and when the ringtone starts. As you say, there's a lot going on when a call comes in - another reason IMO for making the ringtone part as simple as possible at that time. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ringtone volume and latency
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 12:27 +, Neil Jerram wrote: 2010/1/2 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au: Just a couple of thoughts - missing calls is rarely to do with volume and not hearing the ring (I have changed the standard tones though), and more to do with crashes. Ah, OK, I didn't realise that. (I don't yet get enough incoming mobile calls to have a significant sample.) Still, the CPU needed to decode Ogg (or another compressed audio format) could be contributing to that. One of the most annoying is using tangogps full screen (or any other app full screen) and a call comes in the top screen can (not always) lose focus and you cant do anything except pull the battery (doesnt recognise finger/stylus). In Debian I use auxlaunch for switching between windows. This is triggered by the AUX button and so is pretty reliable. Could you use that (or a similar approach) to solve this focus problem? Tried to use the power button kill - but it doesnt work. When it happens to gpe-calendar, I am able to ssh in and kill it which gets focus back, but have not had ssh available on an affected call yet - not sure what to kill and keep the tho. Another is hearing the other end, but they cant hear you - also happens randomly. OK. (I haven't experienced this one yet.) There is a lot going on when a call comes in so its not only audio player latency but enabling the audio path, setting up alsa, handling the call itself, starting the caller application, ... And in amongst that it has to play the audio as well. Currently this isnt too bad for me when I set ring only (no vibe) and use the debugfs hack. With both ring and vibe there is a very obvious delay - I'd guess 1 or 2 seconds - between when the vibe starts and when the ringtone starts. As you say, there's a lot going on when a call comes in - another reason IMO for making the ringtone part as simple as possible at that time. Regards, Neil True - every bit counts - and another cause of lost calls that happened to me recently - ... this is a really bad line, I'll hang up and call you later [CLICK!] :( BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Happy New Year from FSO
In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year! 2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where Openmoko stopped supporting us and we had to show our belief in the project by just continuing with as much effort as possible. Thanks to all contributors and users of our APIs. 2010 will be a very critical year for FSO, perhaps the most critical ever -- since it's going to show whether we dive into oblivion being overrun by the big guys, or whether we can establish and strengthen our niche. Middleware always has this problem of invisibility -- what people recognize are applications, not so much the driving software layers below. In order to be a bit more visible, I'd like all of you who are using FSO to join Ohloh[1] and state that you are either a contributor and/or using FSO. If all goes well, 2010 will be the year where we finally migrate all remaining FSO services to C (or Vala, to be exact), hence delivering a significant speedup for your FreeRunner (or whatever device you run FSO on). Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations, and are also available for contract work. Thanks for your support! (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner (GTA02v5) for sale
Moin! I'm offering a Freerunner from the second batch that came from Taiwan. It has an InvisibleShield screen protector on - once had the body shield on, too, but that things not very nice compared to the FR's smooth matte surface. The device did not receive a buzz fix so far, but on my rare calls I didn't notice buzzing heavy enough to really annoy me. The package contains: - Freerunner GTA02v5 20080619 - Original Battery - USB-Cable - Wall charger with both adaptors - 4GB µSD card with normal SD adaptor and protective case - Laser-/LED-Pen - The most famous Thank-You-Card ever ;) I'd like to receive 160€ (excl. shipping) for it - or best offer. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy New Year from FSO
2010/1/2 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de: In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year! Happy New Year to you too, and thanks for all your work on FSO! And Happy New Year to all list readers! Best wishes, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy New Year from FSO
Mickey, congratulations for taking FSO this far and all the best and some good luck in 2010! Wolfgang On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 02:31:22PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year! 2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where Openmoko stopped supporting us and we had to show our belief in the project by just continuing with as much effort as possible. Thanks to all contributors and users of our APIs. 2010 will be a very critical year for FSO, perhaps the most critical ever -- since it's going to show whether we dive into oblivion being overrun by the big guys, or whether we can establish and strengthen our niche. Middleware always has this problem of invisibility -- what people recognize are applications, not so much the driving software layers below. In order to be a bit more visible, I'd like all of you who are using FSO to join Ohloh[1] and state that you are either a contributor and/or using FSO. If all goes well, 2010 will be the year where we finally migrate all remaining FSO services to C (or Vala, to be exact), hence delivering a significant speedup for your FreeRunner (or whatever device you run FSO on). Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations, and are also available for contract work. Thanks for your support! (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy New Year from FSO
keep up the good work and good luck! happy new year y On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Wolfgang Spraul wolfg...@sharism.cc wrote: Mickey, congratulations for taking FSO this far and all the best and some good luck in 2010! Wolfgang On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 02:31:22PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year! 2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where Openmoko stopped supporting us and we had to show our belief in the project by just continuing with as much effort as possible. Thanks to all contributors and users of our APIs. 2010 will be a very critical year for FSO, perhaps the most critical ever -- since it's going to show whether we dive into oblivion being overrun by the big guys, or whether we can establish and strengthen our niche. Middleware always has this problem of invisibility -- what people recognize are applications, not so much the driving software layers below. In order to be a bit more visible, I'd like all of you who are using FSO to join Ohloh[1] and state that you are either a contributor and/or using FSO. If all goes well, 2010 will be the year where we finally migrate all remaining FSO services to C (or Vala, to be exact), hence delivering a significant speedup for your FreeRunner (or whatever device you run FSO on). Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations, and are also available for contract work. Thanks for your support! (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Happy new Year from Golden Delicious Computers
in the name of the team behind Golden Delicious Computers, I want to wish you all a Happy New Year and say thank you to those who bought a Freerunner in our shop last year. The last year was quite interesting. MWe have seen many changes (to the positive and negative): * April: Openmoko had to lay off their developers so there will be no GTA03 from them * April: A new project GTA02-core was born to fill the gap and there has been a lot of progress * June: we had invested a lot of work and efforts to make the Buzz- and #1024 rework service available * July: we organized an Openmoko workshop where Mickey Lauer did a very good job in explaining how FSO works * September: it turns out that SHR and FSO become the mainstream components for the Freerunner-Software, although other projects are also active. So we continue to have choice. * October: nevertheless, Openmoko continues to produce GTA02A7 (Freerunner) devices and we continue to sell them * Feb-Dec: we have had a handful of Openmoko-Stammtisch-Meetings at Munich where it turned out how many Openmoko (and most of them also Zaurus) fans are still active. So we will continue to promote the Openmoko idea i.e. a provider- independent and really open smartphone platform. Let's see by December how we will have been able to surprise you this year. Nikolaus PS: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner PPS: please note that our target is not to sell as cheap as possible but push some money into future oriented projects Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: literki update
2009/12/27 jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com honestly michal, im on of your faithful followers of this fantastic program but i really dont know why you switched for the opaque / transparent switchable keyboard to one that is only transparent. im still slumming it with version 0.1 for that reason. i hardly ever use the transparent feature. and i think the opaque looks much nicer. if there were a way to change the font size in 0.1 in opaque mode that would be amazing. Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the input. I'll try to reintroduce the opaque mode feature, but don't hold your breath. After I added the new larger font, I thought opaque mode wasn't needed anymore. So why exactly don't you like transparent mode? Is it not visible enough or too slow? Have you tried using it for a while (the 0.2 version) to see if you get used to it? Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Hi Risto, what would be your answers? Here is a quick sum up of the answers. Including answers from shr-user list as well: responded 81 Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes 55, No 26 Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes 58, No 23 What distribution you run most of the time? (some gave more then 1 distro, max 2 were counted) SHR 63 QTMoko 10 Debian 6 H:1 4 Gentoo 2 Android 2 om2008 2 Kind Regards Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes (GPS and GPRSIRC, for other tasks I use my eeepc) What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-testing If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? I had to go back to my wife's old Nokia but after #1024 fix (http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2009/12/fixing-openmoko-hardware-bug-1024/) I upgraded to latest SHR-testing and got many issues fixed (battery life and audio quality improved a lot). Thank you :) Thank you :) -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: Hi Risto, what would be your answers? Here is a quick sum up of the answers. Including answers from shr-user list as well: responded 81 Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes 55, No 26 Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes 58, No 23 What distribution you run most of the time? (some gave more then 1 distro, max 2 were counted) SHR 63 QTMoko 10 Debian 6 H:1 4 Gentoo 2 Android 2 om2008 2 Kind Regards Petr Wow, thanks for this summary!! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 16:44, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 14:07, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: P Perhaps some remaining users and developers P from others FreeRunner distributions will be persuaded by the result P to also migrate to SHR. and that would be a good thing? not sure everybody would want to reboot everytime after gprs usage [1] and not have sent sms storage [2],[3]... Petr [1] http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/474 [2] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/231 [3] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/386 WTF? Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different view for sent messages yet. And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) Ok, looked at that ticket more carefully and edited it. But still, it doesn't make your point valid ;) And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd-fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) (But I don't think it's good to have everyone using one distro. Of course as SHR developer I would like more users, but as free software developer in general I think it's really important to have choice. And to not spread FUD :P) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
distribution
Hi Community! With much delay on my part, we've finally got around to properly handling FreeRunner distribution: http://www.openmoko.com/freerunner.html Anyone that is not on that list, and purchased FreeRunners for distribution within the last six months, should email sa...@openmoko.com. We want you on our list. Finally, I would like to send a personal thanks to Pulster and Tuxbrain for their comments and concerns. And Kosa and David (leviathan) for the generous offers to help. Happy New Year all! -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
pimlico dates with multiple calendars
Hi, is it possible to use more calendars (i.e. ics files) in pimlico dates? Cheers, Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
WTF? Not necessary here IMHO. Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different view for sent messages yet. And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today. And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd-fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know about the ogsmd-fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it, holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before jumping to his other duties. strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs. And to not spread FUD :P) looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being constructively critical but not FUD spreading. cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: literki update
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: So why exactly don't you like transparent mode? Is it not visible enough or too slow? Have you tried using it for a while (the 0.2 version) to see if you get used to it? yes i have had 0.2 install for a while. and the lack of vibrate was what i missed the most. the missing opaque mode sealed the deal for me dropping back. more or less its just more visually frustrating to me. and i cannot really read anything below the letters anyhow so might as well put it to a mode where the letters are highly visible. and with a black and white text/background combo they are very visible. if i ever need to see something that is hidden under the keyboard i just used the moved keyboard up and down keys. though the real hotness would be to just have one key [mode key] that lets you drag the keyboard around with your finger! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 19:33, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: WTF? Not necessary here IMHO. Sorry, I'm not native speaker, so this doesn't have such strong meaning for me, maybe WTH could be better ;) Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different view for sent messages yet. And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today. That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen when sending from opimd-utils) And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd-fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know I perfectly know that, read again what I wrote and don't worry :P about the ogsmd-fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it, holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before jumping to his other duties. strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs. And to not spread FUD :P) looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being constructively critical but not FUD spreading. Well, both of SHR tickets you mentioned were closed when you wrote that mail. One of them I reopened after I read it, but due to other reasons than mentioned in your mail (as I removed storing sent messages and also few other already implemented things from this ticket). Maybe, again, FUD is too strong wording, but still your point wasn't valid ;) cheers Petr -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes yes What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? SHR unstable Thank you :) r -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? Yes since 26c3 Yes H:1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs after a bit. I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel stack. It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen kB is enough. When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying to do, and I can see that wget is actually in stalled state after the first kB. If I retry the download with the continue option, it eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd or around this... Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so upgrading the root filesystem doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - if it is a kernel problem. If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem could be there too. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] QVGA and WSOD
I figured it out this far: The problem is independent of X. If you stop the Xserver and do # echo qvga-normal /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/state # fbset 240x320 with /etc/fb.modes as follows mode 240x320 geometry 240 320 240 320 16 timings 10 8 88 2 2 8 2 endmode then there is a high probability that the screen will fade to WSOD. This is on latest shr-unstable. If I flash this kernel [1] from September, keeping the rootfs at latest shr-unstable, the problem does not occur. You can then start X and have 240x320 resolution, suspend works without problems. Just there are still some horizontal stripe like from bad timings. What could be the right timings? I have so far encounter no problems from using the older kernel. [1] http://buildhost.shr-project.org/shr-obsolete/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119844+a3587e4ed77974adfb057af261aaeea4022018e8-r3.5-om-gta02.bin pgp4BhiKbvEpK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen when sending from opimd-utils) hmm, all my test sms messages to myself eventually arrived during the evening*. i haven't heard notify (but the phone was tucked in my pocket), so most probably not a fr bug unless somewhere deep in framework-calypso communication causing some delays in receiving. but the GSM signal here is quite weak so who knows... * hey, that storage is great, now only the sent view is missing :)) cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Not anymore Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No What distribution you run most of the time? Android If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? HTC Magic (Android) because it works and brings some freedom anyway ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Android] Android Cupcake V22 installer-image
daniel.l.sta...@gmail.comDate: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:15:38 -0500To: community@lists.openmoko.orgSubject: Re: [Android] Android Cupcake V22 installer-imageHowever, it seems that the LEDs don't turn off when they should...is anyone else experiencing this?You could consider asking your question to the Android on Freerunner community at http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunnerNiels. _ Lentekriebels? Speel samen met je vrienden de spelletjes die Windows Live je aanbiedt! http://www.messengerbillboard.be/nl/play ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 1/2/10, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs after a bit. I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel stack. It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen kB is enough. When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying to do, and I can see that wget is actually in stalled state after the first kB. If I retry the download with the continue option, it eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd or around this... Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so upgrading the root filesystem doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - if it is a kernel problem. If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem could be there too. Helge Hafting AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have it upgraded? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Happy New Year from FSO
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year! Happy New Year too 2009 was a turbulent year for us, the year where Openmoko stopped supporting us and we had to show our belief in the project by just continuing with as much effort as possible. Thanks to all contributors and users of our APIs. 2010 will be a very critical year for FSO, perhaps the most critical ever -- since it's going to show whether we dive into oblivion being overrun by the big guys, or whether we can establish and strengthen our niche. Middleware always has this problem of invisibility -- what people recognize are applications, not so much the driving software layers below. In order to be a bit more visible, I'd like all of you who are using FSO to join Ohloh[1] and state that you are either a contributor and/or using FSO. If all goes well, 2010 will be the year where we finally migrate all remaining FSO services to C (or Vala, to be exact), hence delivering a significant speedup for your FreeRunner (or whatever device you run FSO on). I hope FSO becomes the telephony middleware in Linux, just because is a re-design and comes with other approach than older ones. Let me also remind you that we have a PayPal account for donations, and are also available for contract work. Thanks for your support! (1) http://www.ohloh.net/p/fso -- :M: ___ Smartphones-userland mailing list smartphones-userl...@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Not anymore. I did for several months. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes, I still find it to be a wonderfully fun GPS-enabled PDA. I just got an N900, and I was quite surprised to find that the Freerunner's display is nicer. The N900 has 25% more pixels, but the Freerunner's display is brighter, and seems to have higher contrast. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-u My two cents: If I were dictator of the gta02-core team (instead of someone who doesn't even contribute), I would repurpose the device as a GPS PDA. I would remove all the radio components except for the WiFi, and try to optimize for the longest battery life possible. Those of us who have been following the Openmoko phones since before the release of the gta01 will remember that Sean Moss-Pultz use to give presentations in which one of the slides said that one of his big itches, one of the things that lead him to work on a phone, was the desire to be able to execute [quote] An adaptation of my favorite command in all of computing root apt-get install [end quote] Many of us read or heard those words and were hooked. But the cell phone world has changed dramatically since the introduction of the gta01. When the gta01 was announced, GPS hardware was quite rare in a phone (the first generation iPhone didn't have it, for example), and those few phones which did have it had often been intentionally crippled by the wireless service providers (at least in the US), so that they could offer additional-fee location based services which were uniformly terrible. Needless to say, third parties were not encouraged to write GPS enabled software for those phones. Today, it goes without saying that any new smartphone will have GPS, and on many platforms, application developers have access to the GPS information. Today, you can buy an N900 from Nokia, and apt-get install ... will work like a charm. Nokia allows the user to run as root. Their OS on that phone is pretty familiar to Debian users. I know that many of the critical components on that phone are closed, and that owners are at the mercy of Nokia's decision as to whether or not to support new kernel releases, etc. But on the other side of the equation, the phone works well now, is 3G-enabled, has a good camera, has an audio system that does not clip bass frequencies, has USB 2 rather than 1.1, has a much faster processor, an FM transmitter/receiver, more RAM, GSM quad-band (not tri-band), etc., ad nausium. My point is not to be a shill for Nokia (though I'm sure that's exactly what I sound like), but rather to point out that there is really no hope at that a group of people such as the gta02-core team, working part time with no large corporate sponsor, will ever produce a product with hardware on a par with what the big players are contemporaneously offering. That wasn't really as clear when the gta01 was offered. It had hardware that was better than average in some respects (GPS, high resolution display), and worse than average in others (CPU and connectivity). The gta01 could hold its own against a Treo. I don't think we'll see an openmoko phone that can hold its own against a modern smartphone. In software too, the situation has changed dramatically. When the gta01 was announced, other smartphones were running terrible OSs like PalmOS, or early versions of whatever the hell Microsoft was calling Windows CE that week. Now there's WebOS, Android, Maemo and OS X availble on phones, all based on some Unix-like OS. Are they free? No. But they aren't simply hopeless for multi tasking like PalmOS was. I'm sure there are people reading this who won't care about that. The mere fact that there are many people reading this mailing list who still care about the Freerunner, even though they don't use it as their real phone is a testiment to the loyalty of the openmoko community, and how much we all wanted the Freerunner to succeed. If a gta02-core or gta03 phone is ever offered for sale to the general public, I'll buy one. But I don't think there is any chance at all that such a phone will sell even at the volume the Freerunner did. And that was not enough to keep Openmoko Co. in the phone business.If you read the posts to this list that were made shortly after the Freerunner went on sale, it's clear that the phone was bought by some people who really just wanted a high-end smartphone, and who were not geeks who enjoyed reading about ALSA files on the wiki site. The IRC channel was a lively beehive, with participants of widely varying skills. If another openmoko phone ever goes on sale, I predict it will be bought only by the most fanatic FOSS enthusiasts. In contrast, I think there still might be an unexploited niche in the GPS-PDA arena. Everyone knows the Freerunner has excited geocachers, hikers, bikers, etc. I don't know of any company such as Garmin or Magellen offering a
Re: Happy New Year from FSO
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: In the name of the FSO team, I wish all of you a Happy New Year! Thanks to you and the rest of the FSO team for what you have achieved to date and hope 2010 is indeed the year for FSO to prevail and go from strength to strength. regards and best for the New Year Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
