Re: [pkg-fso-maint] [debian] recent navit packages?
Am Montag, den 10.05.2010, 02:26 +0300 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Gilles Filippini p...@debian.org writes: I hope to upload one in a few days. But I'm currently busy making ogpsd a gpsd client. It takes me quite some time, /me being a python noobs :D I've something functional since today. Time to refactor / polish... Hmm, isn't upstream rewriting ogpsd in vala? Yes, eventually FSO 2.0 will all be in Vala - C. As a matter of fact, fsotdld (Time, Date, Location Daemon) is already working, but has little support for GPS. After the drama with gpsd and gypsy, I did not decide yet how to move on with GPS, either roll an own -- this time a something that really feels like D-Bus -- API or integrate one of the existing solutions. Time will tell. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android: can't connect to adb
On Saturday 08 May 2010 04:32:22 Leonti Bielski wrote: To summarize - I get a couple of seconds of using the ADB before connection is lost again :( Has anyone experienced this weird problem? Just general help: - Try another cable - Try another USB port - USB ports soldered on motherboard work better. Maybe it helps, Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Mcnavi Maps
Hi all, i released an updated version of Italy map and boundaries in [1] (even if I'm aware that exists [2], Mike you can mirror my maps if you want, it's just to share). The new file is called italy-map-09052010.mcm I hope to have enough spare time to refresh also Croatia, Switzerland, Slovenia and Begium. Anyone interested in processing and share map is warmly invited to shout :) d [1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcnavimaps/files/ [2] http://www.gps-routes.info/index.php?name=Downloadsd_op=viewdownloadcid=3 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MeeGo and oFono
People, what are you think about MeeGo/oFono on FreeRunner? Maybe someone compiled it for FreeRunner? Or just is it interesting idea to have meego/ofono for FR? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MeeGo and oFono
On 10 May 2010 14:23, Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru wrote: People, what are you think about MeeGo/oFono on FreeRunner? Maybe someone compiled it for FreeRunner? Or just is it interesting idea to have meego/ofono for FR? The Neophysis distribution uses ofono. It has beautiful design, but I don't think it's ready for general use yet. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MeeGo and oFono
On 10 May 2010 14:31, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10 May 2010 14:23, Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru wrote: People, what are you think about MeeGo/oFono on FreeRunner? Maybe someone compiled it for FreeRunner? Or just is it interesting idea to have meego/ofono for FR? The Neophysis distribution uses ofono. It has beautiful design, but I don't think it's ready for general use yet. I'm sorry, I realize (on rereading) that this isn't very clear! What I mean is that _Neophysis_ has beautiful _visual_ design. I haven't looked at the code for Neophysis or ofono, so I can't comment on their technical design. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android: can't connect to adb
you didn't forget enabling usb debugging? Greetings Serdar Am 10.05.10 08:40, schrieb Radek Polak: On Saturday 08 May 2010 04:32:22 Leonti Bielski wrote: To summarize - I get a couple of seconds of using the ADB before connection is lost again :( Has anyone experienced this weird problem? Just general help: - Try another cable - Try another USB port - USB ports soldered on motherboard work better. Maybe it helps, Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The Phoenux is coming: Openmoko Beagle
Recently, on 1st April, we have made jokes about how the future might look for Openmoko devices. The future begins now! We can soon provide a printed circuit board (Openmoko Beagle) that can carry a Freerunner display module (incl. touch screen) and is connected to a Beagleboard. It fits into a (slightly cut) Freerunner case (although you can do everything without destroying a Freerunner; only the buttons are a little more difficult to use). Thus one can experience how a OMAP 3530 would feel inside a Freerunner. And with an external battery pack and a UMTS stick the whole thing is even mobile. See photos [1], [2]. A prototype had already been shown briefly during FOSDEM: [3] so you may think you have already seen this. The U-Boot software is completed and even has a graphical menu: [4]. Sources will become available together with the hardware. For the Linux kernel, there is still some work to do. But it is essentially a BeagleBoard kernel plus Angstrom (or what ever you want to use). This means that experienced Freerunner users and developers can easily participate actively. And of course user-space software like SHR, QtMoko, Android, Debian, FSO, etc. can be ported... With the new capabilities of the OMAP CPU (integrated vector-pipeline, 3D graphics engine, separate DSP for audio / video processing) we can reach the power of a Pre Palm, HTC, N900 or iPhone. Assuming that the community wants to aquire at least 50 units (please confirm!) and that the EUR does not crash, we think we can offer the * empty PCB (with placement plan and shopping list) at around 49 EUR, * a set of components (without display) for DIY soldering (but we don't recommend because of a few tiny SMDs and BGAs) also at 49 EUR. * A populated board (without display) for ca. 99 EUR * and ca. 169 EUR with a display module (if you do not want to disassemble your Freerunner). Note: the OMAP3530 CPU is not on this board, so you must obtain a BeagleBoard separately. So are you interested in giving your Freerunner an exciting new life [5]? Want to participate to really go in the direction of FreeOpen- UMTS high-powered smartphones? This is not the end of development. It is a new beginning. Promised. Let's do it. Yes, we can. Etc. We would appreciate your communicative, encouraging, financial and practical support and your questions. Nikolaus (MacGyver?) + Team [1] http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00435.JPG [2] http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00436.JPG [3]: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/download/file.php?id=225 [4]: http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00434.JPG [5]: therefore the allusion to the Phoenux Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Phoenux is coming: Openmoko Beagle
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: [1] http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00435.JPG [2] http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00436.JPG [4]: http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00434.JPG good lord that is huge. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mcnavi Maps
Thank you, I have added the link to MC Navi description, hope it helps. I have also released new version 0.2.8 with satellites/sky view. Now I'm fighting with the bugs to make it stable and to show tourist ways on map. -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Mcnavi-Maps-tp5029323p5031894.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Phoenux is coming: Openmoko Beagle
The design rocks :) ! Well,hopefully it won't take long until someone propose a case large enough for the beagleboard. Anyway, I'd be glad to preorder this + a supporting fee and I think many people would be willing to support this project as well, so maybe you could setup a preordering+support payment page somewhere ? Also, I'd like to know how open is the OMAP used in the beagleboard exactly ? More specifically, what about the powerVR 3d drivers ? Can we go without them now ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Phoenux is coming: Openmoko Beagle
Am 10.05.2010 um 19:35 schrieb jeremy jozwik: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: [1] http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00435.JPG [2] http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00436.JPG [4]: http://download.goldelico.com/default/Images/DSC00434.JPG good lord that is huge. We will soon open the plug valve and make it a little smaller :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Phoenux is coming: Openmoko Beagle
Am 10.05.2010 um 20:19 schrieb ri...@happyleptic.org: The design rocks :) ! It took us months to come up with this unique engineering sample design. Originally, people have prooposed to put everyting inside a Freerunner case - but that would have been too easy... Well,hopefully it won't take long until someone propose a case large enough for the beagleboard. Anyway, I'd be glad to preorder this + a supporting fee and I think many people would be willing to support this project as well, so maybe you could setup a preordering+support payment page somewhere ? Yes, I will setup such a page in the next days. Also, I'd like to know how open is the OMAP used in the beagleboard exactly ? More specifically, what about the powerVR 3d drivers ? Can There are approx. 3000 pages of documentation of every bit of the OMAP processor - except the 3d engine: http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/sprs507f As far as I understand the situation, the kernel drivers are open source but the libraries are not. Details are described here: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#Graphics_accelerator http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/HowtoUseSGXunderAngstrom http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123navigationId=12700contentId=27458 we go without them now ? Without we still have graphics, framebuffer etc. to acces through X11 and cairo. Just no 3D acceleration and OpenGL ES API. But the guys from OpenPandora are using it and show some 3D videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnr4HCIoFlk ). So it should be possible to get them for open source projects. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of GSM base station positioning services clients
Hi! it seems questions always come when you are out of town ;-) So sorry for the delay of this answer... On 05/03/2010 12:18 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: does anyone know what's the current status of GSM base station -based positioning services.. How do the different databases compare to each other nowadays? Well could you be more specific? Are there clients to position the user based on the GSM base stations, with on- or offline databases? Yes, but none which are really production ready, AFAIK. I mean, packaged, tested, ready for end user. Nevertheless, it is supposed to work at least basically. It'd be great to be able to detect the approximate location from GSM signal and then hook up to GPS faster.. Baruch did some work on the vala implemented openBmap-locator code. I am not sure what is the status of it. The code is located on the openBmap sourceforge git repository. Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of GSM base station positioning services clients
Are there clients to position the user based on the GSM base stations, with on- or offline databases? Yes, but none which are really production ready, AFAIK. I mean, packaged, tested, ready for end user. Nevertheless, it is supposed to work at least basically. It'd be great to be able to detect the approximate location from GSM signal and then hook up to GPS faster.. Baruch did some work on the vala implemented openBmap-locator code. I am not sure what is the status of it. The code is located on the openBmap sourceforge git repository. Onen i tried logging by using the openBmap logger but it hasn't been updated to the new fsogsmd api yet :/ Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of GSM base station positioning services clients
On 05/03/2010 01:28 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: You can get the approximate locations of the celltowers detected nearby with both the cellhunter and openbmap APIs (online). Averaging these and scaling by signal strength gets an alright accuracy (100-500m in some places). AFAIK there isn't an openmoko client for doing that. There is the code from Baruch, as pointed in my previous answer. This accuracy would be better with WLAN essid locations like Google/Skyhook do... I notice openBmap now has wifi data being uploaded on their website so you might be asking at just the right time. There is a specification for wifi uploads ( http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/myposition/index.php?title=Wifi_log_format ) that is used on Windows Mobile but the openmoko client hasn't been updated to publish this as far as I know. I would certainly be very excited to collect more data if it was updated :) You got us ;-) I have been working on bringing WiFi logging to the openBmap logger since last November. Nevertheless, since beginning of the year, time has been scarce. Work is still going on, and most of the WiFi code is there. It needs some polishing and testing before release. Nick has been working on the server side of this WiFi logging. These are the WiFi upload messages on the website. There is a project called openbmap-locator that uses an offline version of the openbmap database to emulate a GPS interface via fso-ogpsd ( http://github.com/baruch/openbmap-locator ). It has a few compile time dependencies on SHR including vala which I had to download a tarball for and compile instead of using opkg (i'm sure if you have a desktop OE buildenv, it's much easier). The first time you run it, it downloads a testing sqlite database to ~/.openBmap/cellid.db It is supposed to be possible to download an updated SQL database using a URL like http://openbmap.org/latest/cellular/244_sqlite_zones.zip where 244 is the MCC for the country you want... but there isn't a file for finland and the file for australia (505) seems corrupted. Germany (262) works fine but that's not where I am and I don't know how to convert/import it to sqlite. So all in all, needs some more help to get it ready for normal users. It seems Nick already reacted to your email I pointed to him: (news on our Website) SQLite file for Australia is not corrupted anymore. SQLite file for Finland will be generated on monday. about 23 hours ago :-) Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of GSM base station positioning services clients
On 05/03/2010 07:53 PM, sam tygier wrote: I have been uploading to openbmap for a while now. but not tried openbmap-locator. it would be great if someone could put up a package for openbmap-locator, and maybe have it in SHR. could it be set up so that you just drop the data files into the right place and it works. i am sure it would be especially useful for people in cities, where it can take quite a while to get a fix. Sam My first target is to finish WiFi logging on the client. Afterwards, I don't know yet. Another platform logger? Positioning service? Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of GSM base station positioning services clients
On 05/03/2010 09:17 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Yeah, unfortunately we didn't hear much of any of these projects. I prefer quality to quantity ;-) With the progress in FSO2, I definitely want native support for at least one of these, i.e. both for uploading newly found cells What could I do there to help you? and also as 1st or 2nd level geolocation provider. Could you precise your idea? Do you imagine something based on geoclue, or something different? Onen, what's new? :) Well not much, life is nice, little time for hacking, slowly but surely moving forward ;-) Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of GSM base station positioning services clients
On 05/10/2010 09:42 PM, Petr Vanek wrote: i tried logging by using the openBmap logger but it hasn't been updated to the new fsogsmd api yet :/ Petr Ouch :-( I have not updated my SHR for a *very* long time. As such I was not aware of this. Do you have by luck any more precise pointers? Thanks, Onen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of GSM base station positioning services clients
Am Montag, 10. Mai 2010 21:42:03 schrieb Petr Vanek: Are there clients to position the user based on the GSM base stations, with on- or offline databases? Yes, but none which are really production ready, AFAIK. I mean, packaged, tested, ready for end user. Nevertheless, it is supposed to work at least basically. It'd be great to be able to detect the approximate location from GSM signal and then hook up to GPS faster.. Baruch did some work on the vala implemented openBmap-locator code. I am not sure what is the status of it. The code is located on the openBmap sourceforge git repository. Onen i tried logging by using the openBmap logger but it hasn't been updated to the new fsogsmd api yet :/ actually... the monitoring API was still missing in fsogsmd. Mickey comitted it yesterday... or the day before... don't remember exactly. And the good thing is that the API should be the same. Time to try again :-) Petr -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Status of GSM base station positioning services clients
K'K i tried logging by using the openBmap logger but it hasn't been updated K'K to the new fsogsmd api yet :/ K'K K'K actually... the monitoring API was still missing in fsogsmd. Mickey comitted K'K it yesterday... or the day before... don't remember exactly. And the good K'K thing is that the API should be the same. Time to try again :-) K'K K'K K'K Petr K'K K'K -- K'K Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann huh, will do, was driving to Rome and back last week so i had only checked back then... thank you Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Phoenux is coming: Openmoko Beagle
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:28 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: [snip] We can soon provide a printed circuit board (Openmoko Beagle) that can carry a Freerunner display module (incl. touch screen) and is connected to a Beagleboard. It fits into a (slightly cut) Freerunner case (although you can do everything without destroying a Freerunner; only the buttons are a little more difficult to use). I am a BeagleBoard owner and have been looking out for a high resolution (i.e. bigger than the PSP format screens that are popular) touchscreen for it, and this seems to fit the bill :) I've also been keeping an eye on this 7 WVGA kit: http://linuxinstruments.com/brainmux/ -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
