Re: QtMoko v22

2010-05-15 Thread Rune Gangstø
la. den 15. 05. 2010 klokka 00.28 (+0200) skreiv Torfinn Ingolfsen:
 Hi,
 
 The new version appears to work fine here (just a quick test so far).
 BTW, my Ubuntu laptop (Xubuntu 9.10) exhibits a strange symptom: each
 time I connect my FR, the network interface name increases:
 eg. it started out with 'eth9' (what happened with usb0?), the next
 time I connected the FR the interface was 'eth10', then 'eth11',
 'eth12' and so on. What gives?

This is happening to me too. Ubuntu 10.04 and 9.10


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 Torfinn Ingolfsen
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02

2010-05-15 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 14 May 2010, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
 Hello,
 I finally found time to test this.
 Without a SD card in my FR, I only get the power off button. Cool!
 I hav a SD card partitioned like this:
 /dev/mmcblk0p1 - vfat, for storage
 /dev/mmcblk0p2 - ext3,  QtMoko V22
 /dev/mmcblk0p3 - ext3, QtMoko V23
 /dev/mmcblk0p4 - swap
 
 with the SD card inserted, I see no bootmenu - it just boots /dev/mmcblk0p2
 every time.
 What's wrong?

You forgot to tell Qi not to boot from the SD partitions. See:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Files

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Re: using multiple window systems - selecting at boot

2010-05-15 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 15 May 2010, Robin Paulson wrote:
 i'm investigating changing to debian as the os for my fr. it appears i
 can use either qtmoko, or the shr suite of apps on top of this. if i
 install both, how would i go about choosing which environment (Qt/X)
 boots at startup? on my desktop i'd probably see if grub could do it,
 but as there is no grub i'm a bit stuck here.
 
 any suggestions?

You could use a different init level for each, say 3 for Qt and 5 for X, then 
use telinit or similar to switch between them.

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Re: [ANN][SHR][Debian] New Emacs interface for FSO

2010-05-15 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Paul, that's purely amazing.

iPhoners and Androids, do that! :D

Could you provide some screenshots? I'd love to add this to the
forthcoming section of 'Show Cases' on the new FSO website.

Great work!

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Openmoko users in Norway?

2010-05-15 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,
is there an Openmoko user in Norway, Haugesund area? If so, please can  
you contact me by private e-mail?

Thanks,
Nikolaus

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Re: QtMoko v22

2010-05-15 Thread mobi phil
the uImage-v22.bin is 2.6.29 isn't it?

was not following for a while the list... could anybody tell me where
I could find a 2.6.32.bin?
On wiki it is stated that andy tracking would be used for 2.6.32, but
not sure if that is from the 2.6.29 times..



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02

2010-05-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hi,

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote:

 On Friday 14 May 2010, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
  Hello,
  I finally found time to test this.
  Without a SD card in my FR, I only get the power off button. Cool!
  I hav a SD card partitioned like this:
  /dev/mmcblk0p1 - vfat, for storage
  /dev/mmcblk0p2 - ext3,  QtMoko V22
  /dev/mmcblk0p3 - ext3, QtMoko V23
  /dev/mmcblk0p4 - swap
 
  with the SD card inserted, I see no bootmenu - it just boots
 /dev/mmcblk0p2
  every time.
  What's wrong?

 You forgot to tell Qi not to boot from the SD partitions. See:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Files

 According to the readme[1] on the qi-bootmenu site, it is not necessary to
mark the SD paryitions as not bootable:
The patches which are applied are thus not strictly necessary but they have


 a few advantages over vanilla Qi.

  - You won't have to mark your SD-card partition as not bootable via
noboot-$MACHINE files

I found out that I could get the boot menu to show up if I did the AUX
press move, but IMHO, that defeats the puprpose of the boot loader.
I want it to show up automatically, each time I boot my FR.

References:
1) http://repo.or.cz/w/qi-bootmenu-system.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/README
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Re: QtMoko v22

2010-05-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, mobi phil m...@mobiphil.com wrote:

 the uImage-v22.bin is 2.6.29 isn't it?


Yes, QtMoko V22 has this kernel:
 neo:~# uname -a
Linux neo 2.6.29-rc3-v21 #10 Tue Apr 6 22:54:31 CEST 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux

was not following for a while the list... could anybody tell me where
 I could find a 2.6.32.bin?


QtMoko V23 (testing) has this kernel:
 neo:~# uname -a
Linux neo 2.6.32v20 #16 Tue May 4 21:11:16 CEST 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux

HTH
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Re: using multiple window systems - selecting at boot

2010-05-15 Thread Alex Samorukov
Robin Paulson wrote:

With Qi its possible to put different systems on different partitions on 
the SD drive.

Also it supports control files to skip partition on boot.
Only way to change bootable partition on a boot time with Qi is to keep 
AUX button after power on - it will boot from internal flash then. 
Otherwise you may use control files on different partition to choose 
which OS to boot. See Qi wiki for more details.
 i'm investigating changing to debian as the os for my fr. it appears i
 can use either qtmoko, or the shr suite of apps on top of this. if i
 install both, how would i go about choosing which environment (Qt/X)
 boots at startup? on my desktop i'd probably see if grub could do it,
 but as there is no grub i'm a bit stuck here.

 any suggestions?

 cheers

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eyepiece/qtmoko with PDF support

2010-05-15 Thread Alex Samorukov
Hi,

I compiled eyepiece viewer with PDF support. It works fine on my NEO 
(qtmoko v22), pdf loading speed is very good. There are some (original) 
bugs and limitations on the viewer,  but basic functions are working 
fine. Link to the test version is in the 
http://bugs.qtmoko.org/view.php?id=77 ticket, please tell me if it work 
or not for you.

P.S. Its recommended to use with swap enabled, libdjvu  may eat a lot of 
memory.

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Re: qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02

2010-05-15 Thread Dave Ball
Hi Torfinn

  with the SD card inserted, I see no bootmenu - it just boots
 /dev/mmcblk0p2
  every time.
  What's wrong?

 You forgot to tell Qi not to boot from the SD partitions. See:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Files

 According to the readme[1] on the qi-bootmenu site, it is not 
 necessary to mark the SD paryitions as not bootable:

This is the case if you have installed Marc's patched Qi.  The 
qi-bootmenu results in a two step boot process:
- firstly qi-bootloader boots and executes the linux kernel in NAND.  
This includes an initramfs with the qi-bootmenu userspace
- That userspace then scans SD card partitions, presents the menu and 
proceeds to boot whichever you select.

So to get the bootmenu working properly you need to make sure Qi boots 
the kernel/initramfs in NAND, and not your SD card partitions.  You can 
make sure qi boots from NAND by either:
 - installing marcs patched qi which ignores the SD card completely or
 - marking your partitions as noboot as Al suggested.

If your freerunner is booting from SD card by default, and only 
displaying the bootmenu when pressing AUX while booting, then you're 
still using standard qi rather than the patched version.

hth.

Dave

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[qtmoko] using qtmoko as an USB Mass storage device

2010-05-15 Thread Tomas Nackaerts
Hello all,

I want to use my freerunner as a USB Mass storage device. I tried to follow 
the instructions on 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_an_USB_Mass_storage_device. But 
it seems there are no g_ether and g_file_storage modules present on QtMoko v22. 
Maybe they are built inside the kernel? 
I also  found in the Devtools menu two scripts: 'USB device mode' and 'USB 
host mode', but i dont know what their exact use is.

Anyway if somebody can point me to the right direction, please do!

thanks,

Toams

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Re: QtMoko v22

2010-05-15 Thread mobi phil
thanks

but still do not know if it is based on andy tracking.

whatever kernel it is.. does it have the Thomas Whites Kms stuff merged?




On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:31 PM, mobi phil m...@mobiphil.com wrote:

 the uImage-v22.bin is 2.6.29 isn't it?

 Yes, QtMoko V22 has this kernel:
  neo:~# uname -a
 Linux neo 2.6.29-rc3-v21 #10 Tue Apr 6 22:54:31 CEST 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux

 was not following for a while the list... could anybody tell me where
 I could find a 2.6.32.bin?

 QtMoko V23 (testing) has this kernel:
  neo:~# uname -a
 Linux neo 2.6.32v20 #16 Tue May 4 21:11:16 CEST 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux

 HTH
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 Regards,
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Re: qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02

2010-05-15 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hi,

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Dave Ball openm...@underhand.org wrote:


 This is the case if you have installed Marc's patched Qi.


Which is this one , yes?
http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/qi-s3c2442-bootmenu-0.1.udfu


 If your freerunner is booting from SD card by default, and only
 displaying the bootmenu when pressing AUX while booting, then you're
 still using standard qi rather than the patched version.


But how can it be, when I have installed the above qi?
I even downloaded and installed it again, just to make sure.
Still, the AUX press is needed.
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Re: using multiple window systems - selecting at boot

2010-05-15 Thread Alishams Hassam
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 17:36 +1200, Robin Paulson wrote:
 i'm investigating changing to debian as the os for my fr. it appears i
 can use either qtmoko, or the shr suite of apps on top of this. if i
 install both, how would i go about choosing which environment (Qt/X)
 boots at startup? on my desktop i'd probably see if grub could do it,
 but as there is no grub i'm a bit stuck here.
 
 any suggestions?
 
I know you can use the qtmoko (more accurately qtopia) dialer and tools
in debian, at least the versions that were ported to X though I don't
know of debs so you'll have to compile- but for freerunner purposes,
qtmoko should be considered it's own distro (it runs in a framebuffer
and X apps don't integrate well, though they are usable). The best way
to do this would be to use the Qi bootloader. Have one partition with
the latest qtmoko, another partition with plain debian and install the
shr packages (already in repo I believe). Use the qi-bootmenu if you
don't have the reflexes to hit AUX at the right time :)
 cheers
 
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Re: using multiple window systems - selecting at boot

2010-05-15 Thread Robin Paulson
On 16 May 2010 00:38, Alex Samorukov m...@os2.kiev.ua wrote:
 With Qi its possible to put different systems on different partitions on
 the SD drive.

 Also it supports control files to skip partition on boot.
 Only way to change bootable partition on a boot time with Qi is to keep
 AUX button after power on - it will boot from internal flash then.
 Otherwise you may use control files on different partition to choose
 which OS to boot. See Qi wiki for more details.

no, i don't want two different OSs. i want one OS (debian), and at
boot/logon/whatever, a choice of whether debian uses X or Qt

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Re: using multiple window systems - selecting at boot

2010-05-15 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
 no, i don't want two different OSs. i want one OS (debian), and at
 boot/logon/whatever, a choice of whether debian uses X or Qt

Just make the default to be X. Then add a menu entry that stops X and
starts framebuffer stuff?

-Timo

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