Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Radek Polak
On Friday 21 May 2010 03:06:43 Vencabot Teppoo wrote:

 My bootloader is the most recent version of Qi, and the system that I have
 in NAND is the most recent version of QtMoko. 

Which version exactly is it? I am mainly interested if it's 2.6.29 or 2.6.32 
(you can find out with uname -r command).

You could experiment with flashing v22 (which is 2.6.29) and v23 (which is 
2.6.32).

Btw QtMoko sets sd_max_clk by default in /etc/init.d/qpe.sh script.

Otherwise i suppose you already know this [1] wiki page.

Regards

Radek

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards
[2] 
http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt

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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Samorukov

Vencabot Teppoo wrote:


Hi, i had the same problem, but good news is that this is very easy to 
avoid.


I put in the kernel line glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000 setting. And 
after this it works perfectly, no more problems so far for a ~5 months.


Hello, community! This is my first time joining a mailing list, so 
excuse me if my netiquette leaves anything to be desired, and let me know.


A couple of weeks ago, I purchased an 8 gig Sandisk microsd card for 
my Neo Freerunner since it seems like Sandisk has a good track record 
of compatibility according to the wiki. Sadly, after finally getting 
it installed and having the time to experiment with it, it seems like 
its incompatible; when I run fdisk on it, fdisk completes without 
error, but the new partitions don't show up in /dev until I reboot the 
Freerunner. After that, I can mkfs, also without error, but checking 
the filesystem afterward yields that the filesystem is corrupt, and it 
remains corrupt despite fixing it (without error). Rebooting doesn't 
help in this case.


I've been using Linux exclusively for five years now, but please 
excuse me for not being very familiar with changing module options and 
what-not. My question is this: it seems like, in some areas of the 
wiki, users suggest changing glamo options for microsd to improve 
compatibility. I've tried the ones that I've read, and none seem to 
have had any appreciable affect. Is there a list somewhere that 
describes what-all these options are? Are there more things that I 
could try before giving up on this card?


My bootloader is the most recent version of Qi, and the system that I 
have in NAND is the most recent version of QtMoko. As far as I can 
tell, dmesg doesn't report any write errors or any errors related to 
the microsd except when I try to mount and it complains that it 
doesn't have a valid EXT3 filesystem.


Thank you in advance for your help, and I'm sorry if this message 
should instead be posted on a technical support mailing list 
somewhere. If so, could anyone point me toward it?




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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Alex Samorukov
Radek Polak wrote:


 Btw QtMoko sets sd_max_clk by default in /etc/init.d/qpe.sh script.
   
IMHO its not very good idea. My card (Kingston 8GB SHDC) works bad with 
this value, and it was not very easy for me to find why its changing on 
every restart :) I think that anyone who need this able to change value 
in sysctl, or kernel boot strint, or init.d.

Also i found that if i`m changing value in shell (after boot) then it 
affects only after suspend/resume cycle. Thats another reason why i 
decided to keep it in kernel boot args.


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RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Vencabot Teppoo

2.6.29-rc3-v21 is what uname -r returns, so I guess that I'm running
version... 21? 22? One thing that I've never really understood well is
the relationship between hardware and software, and so I really am
curious if continuing to update QtMoko really has a chance of resolving
this issue. Is that all that it would take? Are these compatibility
problems the result of something in the kernel that could be (will be)
patched some day? Hm.



Anyway, I certainly have nothing better to do than flash to v23 as you
suggest. I suppose that I'll start checking the changelogs and what-not
and continue updating.



Also, thanks for the info about QtMoko's automatically adjusting 
glamo.sd_max_clk. I didn't know that.



Have a good one.



-David

 From: pson...@seznam.cz
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 08:14:36 +0200
 Subject: Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
 
 On Friday 21 May 2010 03:06:43 Vencabot Teppoo wrote:
 
  My bootloader is the most recent version of Qi, and the system that I have
  in NAND is the most recent version of QtMoko. 
 
 Which version exactly is it? I am mainly interested if it's 2.6.29 or 2.6.32 
 (you can find out with uname -r command).
 
 You could experiment with flashing v22 (which is 2.6.29) and v23 (which is 
 2.6.32).
 
 Btw QtMoko sets sd_max_clk by default in /etc/init.d/qpe.sh script.
 
 Otherwise i suppose you already know this [1] wiki page.
 
 Regards
 
 Radek
 
 [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards
 [2] 
 http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt
 
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RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Vencabot Teppoo

This solution worked for me. I'm genuinely surprised, but I doubled the max 
click as suggested in this post and I made the EXT3 fs as usual, but, when I 
checked it, it was clean. I mounted it, saved a file on it, unmounted it, 
remounted it, and the file was still there.

It's my understanding that increasing max click will drain the battery faster 
and may increase wear on the stick (I don't recall where I read that), but 
it's a relief to have it working, and I'm really glad that I asked here. :D

Thank you, and perhaps I should make a note about this on the SD compatibility 
page.

-David

Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:46:55 +0300
From: m...@os2.kiev.ua
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility






  


Vencabot Teppoo wrote:





Hi, i had the same problem, but good news is that this is very easy to
avoid. 



I put in the kernel line glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000 setting. And
after this it works perfectly, no more problems so far for a ~5 months.


 


  Hello,
community! This is my first time joining a mailing list, so excuse me
if my netiquette leaves anything to be desired, and let me know.

  

A couple of weeks ago, I purchased an 8 gig Sandisk microsd card for my
Neo Freerunner since it seems like Sandisk has a good track record of
compatibility according to the wiki. Sadly, after finally getting it
installed and having the time to experiment with it, it seems like its
incompatible; when I run fdisk on it, fdisk completes without error,
but the new partitions don't show up in /dev until I reboot the
Freerunner. After that, I can mkfs, also without error, but checking
the filesystem afterward yields that the filesystem is corrupt, and it
remains corrupt despite fixing it (without error). Rebooting doesn't
help in this case.

  

I've been using Linux exclusively for five years now, but please excuse
me for not being very familiar with changing module options and
what-not. My question is this: it seems like, in some areas of the
wiki, users suggest changing glamo options for microsd to improve
compatibility. I've tried the ones that I've read, and none seem to
have had any appreciable affect. Is there a list somewhere that
describes what-all these options are? Are there more things that I
could try before giving up on this card?

  

My bootloader is the most recent version of Qi, and the system that I
have in NAND is the most recent version of QtMoko. As far as I can
tell, dmesg doesn't report any write errors or any errors related to
the microsd except when I try to mount and it complains that it doesn't
have a valid EXT3 filesystem.

  

Thank you in advance for your help, and I'm sorry if this message
should instead be posted on a technical support mailing list somewhere.
If so, could anyone point me toward it?

  



  
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Re: [QtMoko] adding agps support

2010-05-21 Thread Radek Polak
On Thursday 20 May 2010 19:44:27 Tomas Nackaerts wrote:

 SHR, and probably others too, have agps enabled by default. So i think it
 should be fairly easy to add this. I did a little research and it seems
 like all we have to do is to save the latest GPS data to a file when the
 GPS is shut down and feed this data back to the GPS when starting GPS next
 time.

I have been searching the wiki, but havent found anything usefull on this. I 
found just how to do AGPS using ublox online service.

Can anyone point me how to do offline AGPS?

Regards

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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Radek Polak
On Friday 21 May 2010 08:50:30 Alex Samorukov wrote:

 IMHO its not very good idea. My card (Kingston 8GB SHDC) works bad with
 this value, and it was not very easy for me to find why its changing on
 every restart :) I think that anyone who need this able to change value
 in sysctl, or kernel boot strint, or init.d.

Oki, i will try to think of a better way how to do it.

Regards

Radek

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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Yann Droneaud
Le jeudi 20 mai 2010 à 21:06 -0400, Vencabot Teppoo a écrit :
 Hello, community! This is my first time joining a mailing list, so
 excuse me if my netiquette leaves anything to be desired, and let me
 know.
 

Hi,

I have a Kingston SDC4/4GB-2ADP : 4GB SHDC which shows write errors when
access are not aligned on a boundary. I've first suspect a problem with
the Freerunner has the problem only arise when booting from this SD
card.
But I've tested it latter with a USB card reader (Transcend M5) and
found problems when random reading/writing on a partition.
I've retried with 1MB aligned partitions and found that everything was
going well.

So aligning partition is not only a matter of performance, for some card
it's also a requirement.

To align partition with fdisk from util-linux use the following options:

c  - toggle msdos compatibility flag
u  - set unit to sectors instead of cylinder

See for example:
http://old.nabble.com/-ANNOUNCE--util-linux-ng-v2.17.1-td27685302.html

Regards.

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Re: FFalarms initial volume

2010-05-21 Thread Łukasz Pankowski
Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes:

 At the moment the alarm have to sound ~45s before it is loud enough to
 be heard not only in a absolutely quiet environment. :)
 Because i can't find a config where i could set the initial starting
 volume for the alarm sound i added a ticket at [1].

It is configurable, see project webpage
http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org/#configuration
or the README file
http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=ffalarms.git;a=blob;f=README;h=d1ee0a307bd8d36510c87dc760ab3368ad988539;hb=HEAD

 The thing which is a bit curious is that on this site the current
 version is 0.4 from March 25, 2010 but in the repository there it is not
 updated for 6 months. So is this still the right place or has the
 project moved somewhere else?

The project repository is now hosted at:
http://git.shr-project.org/git/


 Ciao,
  Rainer

 [1]
 http://projects.openmoko.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=304group_id=260atid=1077


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[shr-u] rolling dice application

2010-05-21 Thread Davide Scaini
Is there any rolling dice application?
cannot find it anywhere... ;)
d
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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 21 May 2010, Yann Droneaud wrote:
 Le jeudi 20 mai 2010 à 21:06 -0400, Vencabot Teppoo a écrit :
  Hello, community! This is my first time joining a mailing list, so
  excuse me if my netiquette leaves anything to be desired, and let me
  know.
 
 Hi,
 
 I have a Kingston SDC4/4GB-2ADP : 4GB SHDC which shows write errors when
 access are not aligned on a boundary. I've first suspect a problem with
 the Freerunner has the problem only arise when booting from this SD
 card.
 But I've tested it latter with a USB card reader (Transcend M5) and
 found problems when random reading/writing on a partition.
 I've retried with 1MB aligned partitions and found that everything was
 going well.
 
 So aligning partition is not only a matter of performance, for some card
 it's also a requirement.
 
 To align partition with fdisk from util-linux use the following options:
 
 c  - toggle msdos compatibility flag
 u  - set unit to sectors instead of cylinder
 
 See for example:
 http://old.nabble.com/-ANNOUNCE--util-linux-ng-v2.17.1-td27685302.html

Very interesting. I've not seen that mentioned for SD cards before. I have one 
of those that's resisted all other attempts to get it working reliably in a 
Freerunner, but the same partition table is fine when the card is in a usb 
card reader, or the SD slot on my netbook. I'll have to give this a try.

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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread David Garabana Barro
On Friday 21 May 2010 12:26:42 Al Johnson wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I have a Kingston SDC4/4GB-2ADP : 4GB SHDC which shows write errors when
  access are not aligned on a boundary. I've first suspect a problem with
  the Freerunner has the problem only arise when booting from this SD
  card.
  But I've tested it latter with a USB card reader (Transcend M5) and
  found problems when random reading/writing on a partition.
  I've retried with 1MB aligned partitions and found that everything was
  going well.
 
  So aligning partition is not only a matter of performance, for some card
  it's also a requirement.
 
  To align partition with fdisk from util-linux use the following options:
 
  c  - toggle msdos compatibility flag
  u  - set unit to sectors instead of cylinder
 
  See for example:
  http://old.nabble.com/-ANNOUNCE--util-linux-ng-v2.17.1-td27685302.html

 Very interesting. I've not seen that mentioned for SD cards before. I have
 one of those that's resisted all other attempts to get it working reliably
 in a Freerunner, but the same partition table is fine when the card is in a
 usb card reader, or the SD slot on my netbook. I'll have to give this a
 try.

Yes, it's really interesting.

I've had troubles with the same Brand on FR, but the 8 GB version  (Kingston 
SDC4/8GB)
Now I'm using it on a usb key, but without partitions at all.
I think there is the key:
People use sd cards without partitions. Even Windows XP doesn't recognice 
partitions but the first one. That's why manufacturers doesn't bother to say 
that partition alignation is required.

Now I'm using a 16GB trascend on FR, without problems. 



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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Yann Droneaud
Le vendredi 21 mai 2010 à 12:56 +0200, David Garabana Barro a écrit :
 People use sd cards without partitions. Even Windows XP doesn't
 recognice partitions but the first one. That's why manufacturers
 doesn't bother to say that partition alignation is required. 

Or they came pre-partitionned. 
Average users never touch to the partition table. Once in a while they
could make a new filesystem, but wont touch to the partition. (eg:
format F: don't change the partition table on any media).

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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread arne anka
 It's my understanding that increasing max click will drain the battery  
 faster and may increase wear on the stick (I don't recall where I read  
 that), but it's a relief to have it working, and I'm really glad that I  
 asked here. :D

it's a really long time since i have bothered with that, but afair you're  
wrong.
- it does affect the way, the glamo interacts with the sd card, thus no  
additional wear and tear is included
- you do, in fact, not _in_crease the max clock, but _de_crease, since the  
default max clock is too fast for slow sd cards, they do not response in  
time and thus the communication times out

inhowfar that affects battery lifetime, i cannot say. but i guess it's not  
significant -- #1024 would be far more relevant ...

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Re: Qtextended.org will be shutdown.

2010-05-21 Thread Ntropy

Hi Lorn

Is it possible to transfer site to other responsible person, with or w/o
domain name, to different hosting?

Ntropy
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Re: qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02

2010-05-21 Thread Jens Seidel
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 01:00:01AM +0200, Marc Andre Tanner wrote:
 On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:54:50AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
  On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:20:03PM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
   Still, the AUX press is needed.
  I can confirm this. I also use the patched Qi and have to press AUX.
 The idea was to only show the menu upon AUX press. If you want the bootmenu
 everytime then 'hide' the other regular partitions via noboot-GTA02 files.

OK, that's simple to do. Nevertheless I wonder where this idea comes from?
Why not always display the menu by default? (There could be a default boot
without AUX press after some seconds of no action instead of waiting for
user input.)
 
  Questions:
   flash partitions are not scanned? Why?
 
 The reason is that it was too slow to mount the jffs2 filesystem (it almost
 doubled the time from boot up to the menu). ubifs should be faster but I 
 haven't
 really tried it. 

I would have no problem waiting one or two seconds longer.
Currently I have to boot into NAND from the NOR bootloader as the bootmenu
doesn't provides it, right?
 
   Is it possible to use better names (Debian or maybe 1. partition SD
card) in the boot menu instead of /dev/mtd...
 
 You can put an image to /boot/bootmenu.png which will be displayed along
 the partition name. I could probably read  display the partition label
 if set. Patches welcome.

OK.
  
  Remarks:
   http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/#faq
   After downloading the kernel and bootloader they can be flashed to your
device like any other distribution with dfu-util.
   is confusing. qi-bootmenu is *no* real distribution but just a kernel image
   (with embedded initrd). Reading this sentence I was not sure whether I need
   to create a new partition somewhere for the boot loader.
 
 The bootloader and kernel can be flashed as you would do with every other
 bootloader / kernel that you want to install into NAND flash. Better?

Yep, it is.
 
   The initscripts of qi-bootmenu-system are checking /proc/cmdline for a
variable called qi-bootmenu-args and pass it to qi-bootmenu upon it's
execution. This can be used to tweak the behaviour of the boot menu
application via first stage bootloader arguments. Currently the flash
partition /dev/mtdblock6 is ignored using this method.
  
   Mhm, how can I set a kernel command line for a kernel started from
   /dev/mtdblock6? I also do not understand the last sentence, probably
   it mentions the trouble I'm seeing.
 
 You can change the kernel command line by creating/modifying the file
 under /boot/append-GTA02 in the relevant partition.

But /dev/mtdblock6 doesn't contain a filesystem!!? I don't see a way to
modify the parameters for qi-bootmenu's kernel.

 However the above
 paragraph means something different. The first stage bootloader passes:
 
  qi-bootmenu-args=\-i /dev/mtdblock6\

Ah, thanks. This is not configurable but hardcoded, right? In this case I
suggest to drop the info from the end user docu.
 
 to the initramfs kernel where the initscript reads it and passes it on
 to the qi-bootmenu

Yep, I assumed this but as one has no way to change the parameter without
recompiling src/cpu/s3c2442/gta02.c it's a useless information for me ...
 
 which ignores the flash partition.

OK.
 
Jens

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Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread urodelo
Just a semi-ot:
I've recently bought a card for my fr which is not exactly listed on the  
wiki, so i think it's another sub-type. It should be similar to the card  
of the thread:
SanDisk microsdhc 8GB (real 7,6)class 2 - serial: SDSDQ-8192-P36M
On the wiki there are others with similar serial.
I've partitioned and formatted it by putting it in my mp3 reader (also  
SanDisk), built 1 fat partition for android and 3 ext. Put back in fr it  
is working without problems, even I have to say that my fr is seldom in  
suspend mode...
So I wonder, are those general compatibility issues related to  
class/speed? Considering my card and the one of Vencabot Teppoo, same  
brand, same capacity (apparently at least), maybe just a class different,  
I don't understand why mine is working out of the box and his isn't...

urodelo

On Fri, 21 May 2010 13:07:55 +0200, Yann Droneaud y...@droneaud.fr wrote:

 Le vendredi 21 mai 2010 à 12:56 +0200, David Garabana Barro a écrit :
 People use sd cards without partitions. Even Windows XP doesn't
 recognice partitions but the first one. That's why manufacturers
 doesn't bother to say that partition alignation is required.

 Or they came pre-partitionned.
 Average users never touch to the partition table. Once in a while they
 could make a new filesystem, but wont touch to the partition. (eg:
 format F: don't change the partition table on any media).

 Regards.


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Re: [Shr-User] [shr-u] rolling dice application

2010-05-21 Thread Davide Scaini
thanks!
i'll try ko-dice :)
but indeed a rolling dice app would be useful ;)
d


On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Xavier Cremaschi
omega.xav...@gmail.comwrote:

 Le 21/05/2010 11:52, Davide Scaini a écrit :
  Is there any rolling dice application?
  cannot find it anywhere... ;)
  d
 
 

 Argh, I never took the time to make one, but I really wanted to do it...
 ( http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td4697113|a4697113 )
 But you can search for ko-dice IIRC, I think it's a rolling dice soft
 for SHR.

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Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-21 Thread Yocto
 I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design files 
 (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the connectors used 
 and fit it in an existing casing.

Could we, also, consider the option of using a smaller board like the Gumstix 
Overo ?

OMAP3503 with ARM Cortex-A8 at 600MHz
256MB RAM / 256MB Flash
[ 17mm x 58mm x 4.2mm ].
http://www.gumstix.com

Regards,
// Yocto
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martijn van Dongen 
  To: List for Openmoko community discussion 
  Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:00 PM
  Subject: Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid


  Hi,
  First of all: nice project, could be a nice follow up for the freerunner.

  I have been looking at the discussions a little bit. Main discussion is how 
to make a new casing that fits around the beagle board, how to produce and what 
it costs.
  I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design files 
(schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the connectors used 
and fit it in an existing casing. I have a price of a PCB (without parts) at 
low volumes (50 pieces) at less than €15.
  Assembly of low quantitiy boards will be very expensive (make it double the 
components price), so a DIY project for assembly of the boards will make the 
PCB fit for a reasonable price.

  Regards,
  Martijn



  2010/5/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org

There is now a new Wiki page for the project:

   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid

I have received some questions why we did not put all this into a nice
design. The main reason is that we can't redesign the Beagleboard (it
has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection
moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very
welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given
Beagleboard and the Freerunner case.

Other questions were what one could do with this. Here some ideas (not
assuming it is complete - you may have more and it is a platform for
your creativity):

   • experimenting with touchscreen and new user interfaces on 
Beagleboard
   • learn how the OMAP3530 CPU works
   • make it a truly open mobile application development platform by
adding a battery pack and a UMTS usb stick
   • investigate how an Openmoko with UMTS and OMAP3530 feels (not from
haptics but screen operation and UMTS speed)
   • porting SHR, QtMoko, Android, etc. to ARM-Cortex A8

And here some feature list:

   • PCB that fits into Freerunner case (top cover and middle part after
cutting a hole)
   • works also without such a case (except speakers and earset)
   • Toppoly LCM interface (same display as used in the Freerunner -
otherwise it would not fit into the case)
   • TSC2007 touch screen controller
   • Microphone
   • Earset and Speaker connector (for those sitting in the Freerunner
case)
   • 2 buttons (AUX and Power)
   • 2 dual color LEDs (in the AUX and Power buttons)
   • vibracall driver
   • headset jack to connect microphone, earset and speaker

For the software, we have to rearrange the code on our server a little
and then it will be made public.

Finally, here you can do preorders:

   http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beagle

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Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-05-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Yes,
this all can be considered for a future version.

What we wanted to start with is something that just works, is easily  
available, can be used for experimenting and software development and  
is not too costly. A nice case, a new PCB for the OMAP processor or  
using the Gumstix makes things much more expensive.


@Yocto: what has to be considered is that the Gumstix does not fit  
into a Freerunner case (it is still too large/thick).


@ Martijn: the OMAP BGA poses high level requirements for a new PCB.  
So I would be surprised if one can really get such PCBs for 15 € @ 50  
units. But do you have more information? What have been your  
assumptions about # of layers, min. drill size, min. width etc.?



Nikolaus



Am 21.05.2010 um 15:48 schrieb Yocto:

 I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the  
design files (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can  
downsize the connectors used and fit it in an existing casing.


Could we, also, consider the option of using a smaller board like  
the Gumstix Overo ?


OMAP3503 with ARM Cortex-A8 at 600MHz
256MB RAM / 256MB Flash
[ 17mm x 58mm x 4.2mm ].
http://www.gumstix.com

Regards,
// Yocto
- Original Message -
From: Martijn van Dongen
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

Hi,
First of all: nice project, could be a nice follow up for the  
freerunner.


I have been looking at the discussions a little bit. Main discussion  
is how to make a new casing that fits around the beagle board, how  
to produce and what it costs.
I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design  
files (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the  
connectors used and fit it in an existing casing. I have a price of  
a PCB (without parts) at low volumes (50 pieces) at less than €15.
Assembly of low quantitiy boards will be very expensive (make it  
double the components price), so a DIY project for assembly of the  
boards will make the PCB fit for a reasonable price.


Regards,
Martijn


2010/5/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org
There is now a new Wiki page for the project:

   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid

I have received some questions why we did not put all this into a nice
design. The main reason is that we can't redesign the Beagleboard (it
has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection
moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very
welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given
Beagleboard and the Freerunner case.

Other questions were what one could do with this. Here some ideas (not
assuming it is complete - you may have more and it is a platform for
your creativity):

   • experimenting with touchscreen and new user interfaces on  
Beagleboard

   • learn how the OMAP3530 CPU works
   • make it a truly open mobile application development  
platform by

adding a battery pack and a UMTS usb stick
   • investigate how an Openmoko with UMTS and OMAP3530 feels  
(not from

haptics but screen operation and UMTS speed)
   • porting SHR, QtMoko, Android, etc. to ARM-Cortex A8

And here some feature list:

   • PCB that fits into Freerunner case (top cover and middle  
part after

cutting a hole)
   • works also without such a case (except speakers and earset)
   • Toppoly LCM interface (same display as used in the  
Freerunner -

otherwise it would not fit into the case)
   • TSC2007 touch screen controller
   • Microphone
   • Earset and Speaker connector (for those sitting in the  
Freerunner

case)
   • 2 buttons (AUX and Power)
   • 2 dual color LEDs (in the AUX and Power buttons)
   • vibracall driver
   • headset jack to connect microphone, earset and speaker

For the software, we have to rearrange the code on our server a little
and then it will be made public.

Finally, here you can do preorders:

   http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beagle

Nikolaus
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Re: FFalarms initial volume

2010-05-21 Thread Fox Mulder
Am 21.05.2010 11:11, schrieb Łukasz Pankowski:
 Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes:
 
 At the moment the alarm have to sound ~45s before it is loud enough to
 be heard not only in a absolutely quiet environment. :)
 Because i can't find a config where i could set the initial starting
 volume for the alarm sound i added a ticket at [1].
 
 It is configurable, see project webpage
 http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org/#configuration
 or the README file
 http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=ffalarms.git;a=blob;f=README;h=d1ee0a307bd8d36510c87dc760ab3368ad988539;hb=HEAD
Thanks.
I found http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ffalarms/ where i didn't
find the configuration description.
But in http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org it is directly on the
frontpage. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

PS: Please close my feature request ticket.

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RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Vencabot Teppoo

 So I wonder, are those general compatibility issues related to  
 class/speed? Considering my card and the one of Vencabot Teppoo, same  
 brand, same capacity (apparently at least), maybe just a class different,  
 I don't understand why mine is working out of the box and his isn't...

Actually, according to the source that I purchased from (Amazon), mine is also 
Class 2. It's just listed as SDSDQ-8192, but the model is listed as 
SDSDQ-8192-bulk, which I'm not sure if I believe. Since all of the other 
SDSDQ-8192 on the wiki are of different speed classes, I wouldn't be surprised 
if mine was also a P36M like yours, and so it's strange that yours worked out 
of the box and mine didn't. Interesting.

-David

 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 From: urodelomuta...@yahoo.com
 Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:01:34 +0200
 Subject: Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
 
 Just a semi-ot:
 I've recently bought a card for my fr which is not exactly listed on the  
 wiki, so i think it's another sub-type. It should be similar to the card  
 of the thread:
 SanDisk microsdhc 8GB (real 7,6)class 2 - serial: SDSDQ-8192-P36M
 On the wiki there are others with similar serial.
 I've partitioned and formatted it by putting it in my mp3 reader (also  
 SanDisk), built 1 fat partition for android and 3 ext. Put back in fr it  
 is working without problems, even I have to say that my fr is seldom in  
 suspend mode...
 So I wonder, are those general compatibility issues related to  
 class/speed? Considering my card and the one of Vencabot Teppoo, same  
 brand, same capacity (apparently at least), maybe just a class different,  
 I don't understand why mine is working out of the box and his isn't...
 
 urodelo
 
 On Fri, 21 May 2010 13:07:55 +0200, Yann Droneaud y...@droneaud.fr wrote:
 
  Le vendredi 21 mai 2010 à 12:56 +0200, David Garabana Barro a écrit :
  People use sd cards without partitions. Even Windows XP doesn't
  recognice partitions but the first one. That's why manufacturers
  doesn't bother to say that partition alignation is required.
 
  Or they came pre-partitionned.
  Average users never touch to the partition table. Once in a while they
  could make a new filesystem, but wont touch to the partition. (eg:
  format F: don't change the partition table on any media).
 
  Regards.
 
 
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RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Vencabot Teppoo

 - it does affect the way, the glamo interacts with the sd card, thus no  
 additional wear and tear is included

Alright, that's a relief. I have no idea how this sort of memory works or how 
it's worn over time, so I was, of course, ready to believe anything.

 - you do, in fact, not _in_crease the max clock, but _de_crease, since the  
 default max clock is too fast for slow sd cards, they do not response in  
 time and thus the communication times out

That makes sense. So, I guess that the sd_mac_clk must be the time between 
ticks, or something like that -- a higher number means a slower clock. Gotcha.

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Re: [qt-moko] QX config being ignored

2010-05-21 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 06:15:06AM +0200, Radek Polak wrote:
 On Friday 14 May 2010 23:34:25 Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
 
  * kbd=false launches an empty keyboard area
  * rotate=true doesn't work
 
 I implemented rotating with accelerometers. Try to flip the freerunner and it 
 should call xrandr -o N where N is number according to current rotation.
 
 It worked last time i tried, but i have white screens quite often.

Great, just works about 50% as you said :)

  Btw, it would be great if I could bring a chroot from my full Debian system
  in /media/card to QX. Can you think an elegant way to perform this?
 
 Write a script that chroots there and place a .desktop file for it in 
 /usr/share/applications. QX should find it and it should appear in the 
 favourites menu. I think it should be possible to work that way.

Yep, chrooting and binding /proc, /dev and /sys I get almost everything from my
Debian chroot from SD. Thanks.

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RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility

2010-05-21 Thread Vencabot Teppoo

Alex Samorukov wrote:
 Hi, i had the same problem, but good news is that this is very easy to
 avoid.

 I put in the kernel line glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000 setting. And
 after this it works perfectly, no more problems so far for a ~5 months.

This solution worked for me yesterday, but, today, it isn't working. That's 
pretty bizarre... I was able to mkfs, fsck, mount, write, unmount, re-mount, 
and read a written file last night using this solution. Today, nothing doing; 
same problem as before. I tried re-partitioning and had the same problem as 
before; the new devices didn't show up until I rebooted. Still no luck.

Can anyone think of a reason why it was working last night and not this 
afternoon? I wish that I could provide more information, but I'd just left the 
Freerunner charging over USB all night.

Thanks again.

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security Vulnerability or duplication in OpenERP??

2010-05-21 Thread Masoom Alam
Hi Every one,


I am having two problems, please idenfity, whether I am doing some thing
wrong, or this thing is not possible in OpenERP:

*Problem 1*

   1. Whenever, I give access rights on an object, or set of objects to a
   particular user, all the menus related to that object are automatically
   accessible by that user. For example, in the account_voucher, if a list of
   objects such as account.voucher, account.journal etc, etc.  which are
   required for a user, are given, all the menus under the voucher Entries are
   automatically assigned. This is the default behavior. right?
   2. Does this mean that there is no need to have
   Administration---Security-Grant Access to Menus, some how granting
   access to menus is useless, since objects access is needed and when I give
   object access, menus access is automatically granted.
   3. Is there is some way, that i can grant access to a list of objects to
   two or three users, but restrict access to menus?
   4. Scenario: I want to give access to user1 to Bank Receipt Voucher while
   to user2, Cash Payment Voucher. Now menus are different, but objects are
   same.

*Problem 2*
*
*

   1. in the _columns{}, whenever a one2many() relation is chosen for a
   field, on search, the fields associated with the many portion are
   automatically shown. Can we restrict this view, i mean certain
   columns/fields from the many part can be hidden from particular users,
   while certain can be shown for search purpose only?



Thanking you in advance.
Regards,
MM Alam
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Re: [QtMoko] adding agps support

2010-05-21 Thread Paul Fertser
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes:
 SHR, and probably others too, have agps enabled by default. So i think it
 should be fairly easy to add this. I did a little research and it seems
 like all we have to do is to save the latest GPS data to a file when the
 GPS is shut down and feed this data back to the GPS when starting GPS next
 time.

 I have been searching the wiki, but havent found anything usefull on this. I 
 found just how to do AGPS using ublox online service.

When it's said FSO has agps enabled by default they mean FSO stores
ephemeris and almanac from the chip every time prior to powering it
off and loads the saved data after powering on. The code is there in
ogpsd. If the ephemiri data is fresh enough (2-4 hours max), the
effect is the same as downloading the data from the internet. Other
than that, there's no agps integration yet afaik.

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Re: security Vulnerability or duplication in OpenERP??

2010-05-21 Thread Petr Vanek
On Sat, 22 May 2010 05:15:09 +0500
Masoom Alam masoom.a...@gmail.com (MA) wrote:

Hi Every one,


I am having two problems, please idenfity, whether I am doing some
thing wrong, or this thing is not possible in OpenERP:

*Problem 1*

   1. Whenever, I give access rights on an object, or set of objects
 to a particular user, all the menus related to that object are
 automatically accessible by that user. For example, in the
 account_voucher, if a list of objects such as account.voucher,
 account.journal etc, etc.  which are required for a user, are given,
 all the menus under the voucher Entries are automatically assigned.
 This is the default behavior. right? 2. Does this mean that there is
 no need to have Administration---Security-Grant Access to
 Menus, some how granting access to menus is useless, since objects
 access is needed and when I give object access, menus access is
 automatically granted. 3. Is there is some way, that i can grant
 access to a list of objects to two or three users, but restrict
 access to menus? 4. Scenario: I want to give access to user1 to Bank
 Receipt Voucher while to user2, Cash Payment Voucher. Now menus are
 different, but objects are same.

*Problem 2*
*
*

   1. in the _columns{}, whenever a one2many() relation is chosen for a
   field, on search, the fields associated with the many portion are
   automatically shown. Can we restrict this view, i mean certain
   columns/fields from the many part can be hidden from particular
 users, while certain can be shown for search purpose only?



Thanking you in advance.
Regards,
MM Alam



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