Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
On Friday 21 May 2010 03:06:43 Vencabot Teppoo wrote: My bootloader is the most recent version of Qi, and the system that I have in NAND is the most recent version of QtMoko. Which version exactly is it? I am mainly interested if it's 2.6.29 or 2.6.32 (you can find out with uname -r command). You could experiment with flashing v22 (which is 2.6.29) and v23 (which is 2.6.32). Btw QtMoko sets sd_max_clk by default in /etc/init.d/qpe.sh script. Otherwise i suppose you already know this [1] wiki page. Regards Radek [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards [2] http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
Vencabot Teppoo wrote: Hi, i had the same problem, but good news is that this is very easy to avoid. I put in the kernel line glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000 setting. And after this it works perfectly, no more problems so far for a ~5 months. Hello, community! This is my first time joining a mailing list, so excuse me if my netiquette leaves anything to be desired, and let me know. A couple of weeks ago, I purchased an 8 gig Sandisk microsd card for my Neo Freerunner since it seems like Sandisk has a good track record of compatibility according to the wiki. Sadly, after finally getting it installed and having the time to experiment with it, it seems like its incompatible; when I run fdisk on it, fdisk completes without error, but the new partitions don't show up in /dev until I reboot the Freerunner. After that, I can mkfs, also without error, but checking the filesystem afterward yields that the filesystem is corrupt, and it remains corrupt despite fixing it (without error). Rebooting doesn't help in this case. I've been using Linux exclusively for five years now, but please excuse me for not being very familiar with changing module options and what-not. My question is this: it seems like, in some areas of the wiki, users suggest changing glamo options for microsd to improve compatibility. I've tried the ones that I've read, and none seem to have had any appreciable affect. Is there a list somewhere that describes what-all these options are? Are there more things that I could try before giving up on this card? My bootloader is the most recent version of Qi, and the system that I have in NAND is the most recent version of QtMoko. As far as I can tell, dmesg doesn't report any write errors or any errors related to the microsd except when I try to mount and it complains that it doesn't have a valid EXT3 filesystem. Thank you in advance for your help, and I'm sorry if this message should instead be posted on a technical support mailing list somewhere. If so, could anyone point me toward it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
Radek Polak wrote: Btw QtMoko sets sd_max_clk by default in /etc/init.d/qpe.sh script. IMHO its not very good idea. My card (Kingston 8GB SHDC) works bad with this value, and it was not very easy for me to find why its changing on every restart :) I think that anyone who need this able to change value in sysctl, or kernel boot strint, or init.d. Also i found that if i`m changing value in shell (after boot) then it affects only after suspend/resume cycle. Thats another reason why i decided to keep it in kernel boot args. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
2.6.29-rc3-v21 is what uname -r returns, so I guess that I'm running version... 21? 22? One thing that I've never really understood well is the relationship between hardware and software, and so I really am curious if continuing to update QtMoko really has a chance of resolving this issue. Is that all that it would take? Are these compatibility problems the result of something in the kernel that could be (will be) patched some day? Hm. Anyway, I certainly have nothing better to do than flash to v23 as you suggest. I suppose that I'll start checking the changelogs and what-not and continue updating. Also, thanks for the info about QtMoko's automatically adjusting glamo.sd_max_clk. I didn't know that. Have a good one. -David From: pson...@seznam.cz To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 08:14:36 +0200 Subject: Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility On Friday 21 May 2010 03:06:43 Vencabot Teppoo wrote: My bootloader is the most recent version of Qi, and the system that I have in NAND is the most recent version of QtMoko. Which version exactly is it? I am mainly interested if it's 2.6.29 or 2.6.32 (you can find out with uname -r command). You could experiment with flashing v22 (which is 2.6.29) and v23 (which is 2.6.32). Btw QtMoko sets sd_max_clk by default in /etc/init.d/qpe.sh script. Otherwise i suppose you already know this [1] wiki page. Regards Radek [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards [2] http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
This solution worked for me. I'm genuinely surprised, but I doubled the max click as suggested in this post and I made the EXT3 fs as usual, but, when I checked it, it was clean. I mounted it, saved a file on it, unmounted it, remounted it, and the file was still there. It's my understanding that increasing max click will drain the battery faster and may increase wear on the stick (I don't recall where I read that), but it's a relief to have it working, and I'm really glad that I asked here. :D Thank you, and perhaps I should make a note about this on the SD compatibility page. -David Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:46:55 +0300 From: m...@os2.kiev.ua To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility Vencabot Teppoo wrote: Hi, i had the same problem, but good news is that this is very easy to avoid. I put in the kernel line glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000 setting. And after this it works perfectly, no more problems so far for a ~5 months. Hello, community! This is my first time joining a mailing list, so excuse me if my netiquette leaves anything to be desired, and let me know. A couple of weeks ago, I purchased an 8 gig Sandisk microsd card for my Neo Freerunner since it seems like Sandisk has a good track record of compatibility according to the wiki. Sadly, after finally getting it installed and having the time to experiment with it, it seems like its incompatible; when I run fdisk on it, fdisk completes without error, but the new partitions don't show up in /dev until I reboot the Freerunner. After that, I can mkfs, also without error, but checking the filesystem afterward yields that the filesystem is corrupt, and it remains corrupt despite fixing it (without error). Rebooting doesn't help in this case. I've been using Linux exclusively for five years now, but please excuse me for not being very familiar with changing module options and what-not. My question is this: it seems like, in some areas of the wiki, users suggest changing glamo options for microsd to improve compatibility. I've tried the ones that I've read, and none seem to have had any appreciable affect. Is there a list somewhere that describes what-all these options are? Are there more things that I could try before giving up on this card? My bootloader is the most recent version of Qi, and the system that I have in NAND is the most recent version of QtMoko. As far as I can tell, dmesg doesn't report any write errors or any errors related to the microsd except when I try to mount and it complains that it doesn't have a valid EXT3 filesystem. Thank you in advance for your help, and I'm sorry if this message should instead be posted on a technical support mailing list somewhere. If so, could anyone point me toward it? _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] adding agps support
On Thursday 20 May 2010 19:44:27 Tomas Nackaerts wrote: SHR, and probably others too, have agps enabled by default. So i think it should be fairly easy to add this. I did a little research and it seems like all we have to do is to save the latest GPS data to a file when the GPS is shut down and feed this data back to the GPS when starting GPS next time. I have been searching the wiki, but havent found anything usefull on this. I found just how to do AGPS using ublox online service. Can anyone point me how to do offline AGPS? Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
On Friday 21 May 2010 08:50:30 Alex Samorukov wrote: IMHO its not very good idea. My card (Kingston 8GB SHDC) works bad with this value, and it was not very easy for me to find why its changing on every restart :) I think that anyone who need this able to change value in sysctl, or kernel boot strint, or init.d. Oki, i will try to think of a better way how to do it. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
Le jeudi 20 mai 2010 à 21:06 -0400, Vencabot Teppoo a écrit : Hello, community! This is my first time joining a mailing list, so excuse me if my netiquette leaves anything to be desired, and let me know. Hi, I have a Kingston SDC4/4GB-2ADP : 4GB SHDC which shows write errors when access are not aligned on a boundary. I've first suspect a problem with the Freerunner has the problem only arise when booting from this SD card. But I've tested it latter with a USB card reader (Transcend M5) and found problems when random reading/writing on a partition. I've retried with 1MB aligned partitions and found that everything was going well. So aligning partition is not only a matter of performance, for some card it's also a requirement. To align partition with fdisk from util-linux use the following options: c - toggle msdos compatibility flag u - set unit to sectors instead of cylinder See for example: http://old.nabble.com/-ANNOUNCE--util-linux-ng-v2.17.1-td27685302.html Regards. -- Yann Droneaud ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FFalarms initial volume
Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: At the moment the alarm have to sound ~45s before it is loud enough to be heard not only in a absolutely quiet environment. :) Because i can't find a config where i could set the initial starting volume for the alarm sound i added a ticket at [1]. It is configurable, see project webpage http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org/#configuration or the README file http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=ffalarms.git;a=blob;f=README;h=d1ee0a307bd8d36510c87dc760ab3368ad988539;hb=HEAD The thing which is a bit curious is that on this site the current version is 0.4 from March 25, 2010 but in the repository there it is not updated for 6 months. So is this still the right place or has the project moved somewhere else? The project repository is now hosted at: http://git.shr-project.org/git/ Ciao, Rainer [1] http://projects.openmoko.org/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=304group_id=260atid=1077 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[shr-u] rolling dice application
Is there any rolling dice application? cannot find it anywhere... ;) d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
On Friday 21 May 2010, Yann Droneaud wrote: Le jeudi 20 mai 2010 à 21:06 -0400, Vencabot Teppoo a écrit : Hello, community! This is my first time joining a mailing list, so excuse me if my netiquette leaves anything to be desired, and let me know. Hi, I have a Kingston SDC4/4GB-2ADP : 4GB SHDC which shows write errors when access are not aligned on a boundary. I've first suspect a problem with the Freerunner has the problem only arise when booting from this SD card. But I've tested it latter with a USB card reader (Transcend M5) and found problems when random reading/writing on a partition. I've retried with 1MB aligned partitions and found that everything was going well. So aligning partition is not only a matter of performance, for some card it's also a requirement. To align partition with fdisk from util-linux use the following options: c - toggle msdos compatibility flag u - set unit to sectors instead of cylinder See for example: http://old.nabble.com/-ANNOUNCE--util-linux-ng-v2.17.1-td27685302.html Very interesting. I've not seen that mentioned for SD cards before. I have one of those that's resisted all other attempts to get it working reliably in a Freerunner, but the same partition table is fine when the card is in a usb card reader, or the SD slot on my netbook. I'll have to give this a try. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
On Friday 21 May 2010 12:26:42 Al Johnson wrote: Hi, I have a Kingston SDC4/4GB-2ADP : 4GB SHDC which shows write errors when access are not aligned on a boundary. I've first suspect a problem with the Freerunner has the problem only arise when booting from this SD card. But I've tested it latter with a USB card reader (Transcend M5) and found problems when random reading/writing on a partition. I've retried with 1MB aligned partitions and found that everything was going well. So aligning partition is not only a matter of performance, for some card it's also a requirement. To align partition with fdisk from util-linux use the following options: c - toggle msdos compatibility flag u - set unit to sectors instead of cylinder See for example: http://old.nabble.com/-ANNOUNCE--util-linux-ng-v2.17.1-td27685302.html Very interesting. I've not seen that mentioned for SD cards before. I have one of those that's resisted all other attempts to get it working reliably in a Freerunner, but the same partition table is fine when the card is in a usb card reader, or the SD slot on my netbook. I'll have to give this a try. Yes, it's really interesting. I've had troubles with the same Brand on FR, but the 8 GB version (Kingston SDC4/8GB) Now I'm using it on a usb key, but without partitions at all. I think there is the key: People use sd cards without partitions. Even Windows XP doesn't recognice partitions but the first one. That's why manufacturers doesn't bother to say that partition alignation is required. Now I'm using a 16GB trascend on FR, without problems. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
Le vendredi 21 mai 2010 à 12:56 +0200, David Garabana Barro a écrit : People use sd cards without partitions. Even Windows XP doesn't recognice partitions but the first one. That's why manufacturers doesn't bother to say that partition alignation is required. Or they came pre-partitionned. Average users never touch to the partition table. Once in a while they could make a new filesystem, but wont touch to the partition. (eg: format F: don't change the partition table on any media). Regards. -- Yann Droneaud ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
It's my understanding that increasing max click will drain the battery faster and may increase wear on the stick (I don't recall where I read that), but it's a relief to have it working, and I'm really glad that I asked here. :D it's a really long time since i have bothered with that, but afair you're wrong. - it does affect the way, the glamo interacts with the sd card, thus no additional wear and tear is included - you do, in fact, not _in_crease the max clock, but _de_crease, since the default max clock is too fast for slow sd cards, they do not response in time and thus the communication times out inhowfar that affects battery lifetime, i cannot say. but i guess it's not significant -- #1024 would be far more relevant ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtextended.org will be shutdown.
Hi Lorn Is it possible to transfer site to other responsible person, with or w/o domain name, to different hosting? Ntropy -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Qtextended-org-will-be-shutdown-tp5078061p5083813.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qi-bootmenu-0.1 for GTA02
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 01:00:01AM +0200, Marc Andre Tanner wrote: On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 11:54:50AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:20:03PM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Still, the AUX press is needed. I can confirm this. I also use the patched Qi and have to press AUX. The idea was to only show the menu upon AUX press. If you want the bootmenu everytime then 'hide' the other regular partitions via noboot-GTA02 files. OK, that's simple to do. Nevertheless I wonder where this idea comes from? Why not always display the menu by default? (There could be a default boot without AUX press after some seconds of no action instead of waiting for user input.) Questions: flash partitions are not scanned? Why? The reason is that it was too slow to mount the jffs2 filesystem (it almost doubled the time from boot up to the menu). ubifs should be faster but I haven't really tried it. I would have no problem waiting one or two seconds longer. Currently I have to boot into NAND from the NOR bootloader as the bootmenu doesn't provides it, right? Is it possible to use better names (Debian or maybe 1. partition SD card) in the boot menu instead of /dev/mtd... You can put an image to /boot/bootmenu.png which will be displayed along the partition name. I could probably read display the partition label if set. Patches welcome. OK. Remarks: http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/#faq After downloading the kernel and bootloader they can be flashed to your device like any other distribution with dfu-util. is confusing. qi-bootmenu is *no* real distribution but just a kernel image (with embedded initrd). Reading this sentence I was not sure whether I need to create a new partition somewhere for the boot loader. The bootloader and kernel can be flashed as you would do with every other bootloader / kernel that you want to install into NAND flash. Better? Yep, it is. The initscripts of qi-bootmenu-system are checking /proc/cmdline for a variable called qi-bootmenu-args and pass it to qi-bootmenu upon it's execution. This can be used to tweak the behaviour of the boot menu application via first stage bootloader arguments. Currently the flash partition /dev/mtdblock6 is ignored using this method. Mhm, how can I set a kernel command line for a kernel started from /dev/mtdblock6? I also do not understand the last sentence, probably it mentions the trouble I'm seeing. You can change the kernel command line by creating/modifying the file under /boot/append-GTA02 in the relevant partition. But /dev/mtdblock6 doesn't contain a filesystem!!? I don't see a way to modify the parameters for qi-bootmenu's kernel. However the above paragraph means something different. The first stage bootloader passes: qi-bootmenu-args=\-i /dev/mtdblock6\ Ah, thanks. This is not configurable but hardcoded, right? In this case I suggest to drop the info from the end user docu. to the initramfs kernel where the initscript reads it and passes it on to the qi-bootmenu Yep, I assumed this but as one has no way to change the parameter without recompiling src/cpu/s3c2442/gta02.c it's a useless information for me ... which ignores the flash partition. OK. Jens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
Just a semi-ot: I've recently bought a card for my fr which is not exactly listed on the wiki, so i think it's another sub-type. It should be similar to the card of the thread: SanDisk microsdhc 8GB (real 7,6)class 2 - serial: SDSDQ-8192-P36M On the wiki there are others with similar serial. I've partitioned and formatted it by putting it in my mp3 reader (also SanDisk), built 1 fat partition for android and 3 ext. Put back in fr it is working without problems, even I have to say that my fr is seldom in suspend mode... So I wonder, are those general compatibility issues related to class/speed? Considering my card and the one of Vencabot Teppoo, same brand, same capacity (apparently at least), maybe just a class different, I don't understand why mine is working out of the box and his isn't... urodelo On Fri, 21 May 2010 13:07:55 +0200, Yann Droneaud y...@droneaud.fr wrote: Le vendredi 21 mai 2010 à 12:56 +0200, David Garabana Barro a écrit : People use sd cards without partitions. Even Windows XP doesn't recognice partitions but the first one. That's why manufacturers doesn't bother to say that partition alignation is required. Or they came pre-partitionned. Average users never touch to the partition table. Once in a while they could make a new filesystem, but wont touch to the partition. (eg: format F: don't change the partition table on any media). Regards. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [shr-u] rolling dice application
thanks! i'll try ko-dice :) but indeed a rolling dice app would be useful ;) d On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.comwrote: Le 21/05/2010 11:52, Davide Scaini a écrit : Is there any rolling dice application? cannot find it anywhere... ;) d Argh, I never took the time to make one, but I really wanted to do it... ( http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td4697113|a4697113 ) But you can search for ko-dice IIRC, I think it's a rolling dice soft for SHR. Xavier. ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design files (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the connectors used and fit it in an existing casing. Could we, also, consider the option of using a smaller board like the Gumstix Overo ? OMAP3503 with ARM Cortex-A8 at 600MHz 256MB RAM / 256MB Flash [ 17mm x 58mm x 4.2mm ]. http://www.gumstix.com Regards, // Yocto - Original Message - From: Martijn van Dongen To: List for Openmoko community discussion Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Hi, First of all: nice project, could be a nice follow up for the freerunner. I have been looking at the discussions a little bit. Main discussion is how to make a new casing that fits around the beagle board, how to produce and what it costs. I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design files (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the connectors used and fit it in an existing casing. I have a price of a PCB (without parts) at low volumes (50 pieces) at less than €15. Assembly of low quantitiy boards will be very expensive (make it double the components price), so a DIY project for assembly of the boards will make the PCB fit for a reasonable price. Regards, Martijn 2010/5/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org There is now a new Wiki page for the project: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid I have received some questions why we did not put all this into a nice design. The main reason is that we can't redesign the Beagleboard (it has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given Beagleboard and the Freerunner case. Other questions were what one could do with this. Here some ideas (not assuming it is complete - you may have more and it is a platform for your creativity): • experimenting with touchscreen and new user interfaces on Beagleboard • learn how the OMAP3530 CPU works • make it a truly open mobile application development platform by adding a battery pack and a UMTS usb stick • investigate how an Openmoko with UMTS and OMAP3530 feels (not from haptics but screen operation and UMTS speed) • porting SHR, QtMoko, Android, etc. to ARM-Cortex A8 And here some feature list: • PCB that fits into Freerunner case (top cover and middle part after cutting a hole) • works also without such a case (except speakers and earset) • Toppoly LCM interface (same display as used in the Freerunner - otherwise it would not fit into the case) • TSC2007 touch screen controller • Microphone • Earset and Speaker connector (for those sitting in the Freerunner case) • 2 buttons (AUX and Power) • 2 dual color LEDs (in the AUX and Power buttons) • vibracall driver • headset jack to connect microphone, earset and speaker For the software, we have to rearrange the code on our server a little and then it will be made public. Finally, here you can do preorders: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beagle Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid
Yes, this all can be considered for a future version. What we wanted to start with is something that just works, is easily available, can be used for experimenting and software development and is not too costly. A nice case, a new PCB for the OMAP processor or using the Gumstix makes things much more expensive. @Yocto: what has to be considered is that the Gumstix does not fit into a Freerunner case (it is still too large/thick). @ Martijn: the OMAP BGA poses high level requirements for a new PCB. So I would be surprised if one can really get such PCBs for 15 € @ 50 units. But do you have more information? What have been your assumptions about # of layers, min. drill size, min. width etc.? Nikolaus Am 21.05.2010 um 15:48 schrieb Yocto: I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design files (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the connectors used and fit it in an existing casing. Could we, also, consider the option of using a smaller board like the Gumstix Overo ? OMAP3503 with ARM Cortex-A8 at 600MHz 256MB RAM / 256MB Flash [ 17mm x 58mm x 4.2mm ]. http://www.gumstix.com Regards, // Yocto - Original Message - From: Martijn van Dongen To: List for Openmoko community discussion Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid Hi, First of all: nice project, could be a nice follow up for the freerunner. I have been looking at the discussions a little bit. Main discussion is how to make a new casing that fits around the beagle board, how to produce and what it costs. I haven't seen a discussion about redesign of the board, the design files (schematics in Orcad) are available, so you can downsize the connectors used and fit it in an existing casing. I have a price of a PCB (without parts) at low volumes (50 pieces) at less than €15. Assembly of low quantitiy boards will be very expensive (make it double the components price), so a DIY project for assembly of the boards will make the PCB fit for a reasonable price. Regards, Martijn 2010/5/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org There is now a new Wiki page for the project: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Beagle_Hybrid I have received some questions why we did not put all this into a nice design. The main reason is that we can't redesign the Beagleboard (it has fixed dimensions) and we can't afford to build plastic injection moulds (if someone has an idea how to reduce cost this is very welcome). So the easiest solution was to combine what we have: a given Beagleboard and the Freerunner case. Other questions were what one could do with this. Here some ideas (not assuming it is complete - you may have more and it is a platform for your creativity): • experimenting with touchscreen and new user interfaces on Beagleboard • learn how the OMAP3530 CPU works • make it a truly open mobile application development platform by adding a battery pack and a UMTS usb stick • investigate how an Openmoko with UMTS and OMAP3530 feels (not from haptics but screen operation and UMTS speed) • porting SHR, QtMoko, Android, etc. to ARM-Cortex A8 And here some feature list: • PCB that fits into Freerunner case (top cover and middle part after cutting a hole) • works also without such a case (except speakers and earset) • Toppoly LCM interface (same display as used in the Freerunner - otherwise it would not fit into the case) • TSC2007 touch screen controller • Microphone • Earset and Speaker connector (for those sitting in the Freerunner case) • 2 buttons (AUX and Power) • 2 dual color LEDs (in the AUX and Power buttons) • vibracall driver • headset jack to connect microphone, earset and speaker For the software, we have to rearrange the code on our server a little and then it will be made public. Finally, here you can do preorders: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Beagle Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FFalarms initial volume
Am 21.05.2010 11:11, schrieb Łukasz Pankowski: Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: At the moment the alarm have to sound ~45s before it is loud enough to be heard not only in a absolutely quiet environment. :) Because i can't find a config where i could set the initial starting volume for the alarm sound i added a ticket at [1]. It is configurable, see project webpage http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org/#configuration or the README file http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=ffalarms.git;a=blob;f=README;h=d1ee0a307bd8d36510c87dc760ab3368ad988539;hb=HEAD Thanks. I found http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ffalarms/ where i didn't find the configuration description. But in http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org it is directly on the frontpage. :) Ciao, Rainer PS: Please close my feature request ticket. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
So I wonder, are those general compatibility issues related to class/speed? Considering my card and the one of Vencabot Teppoo, same brand, same capacity (apparently at least), maybe just a class different, I don't understand why mine is working out of the box and his isn't... Actually, according to the source that I purchased from (Amazon), mine is also Class 2. It's just listed as SDSDQ-8192, but the model is listed as SDSDQ-8192-bulk, which I'm not sure if I believe. Since all of the other SDSDQ-8192 on the wiki are of different speed classes, I wouldn't be surprised if mine was also a P36M like yours, and so it's strange that yours worked out of the box and mine didn't. Interesting. -David To: community@lists.openmoko.org From: urodelomuta...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:01:34 +0200 Subject: Re: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility Just a semi-ot: I've recently bought a card for my fr which is not exactly listed on the wiki, so i think it's another sub-type. It should be similar to the card of the thread: SanDisk microsdhc 8GB (real 7,6)class 2 - serial: SDSDQ-8192-P36M On the wiki there are others with similar serial. I've partitioned and formatted it by putting it in my mp3 reader (also SanDisk), built 1 fat partition for android and 3 ext. Put back in fr it is working without problems, even I have to say that my fr is seldom in suspend mode... So I wonder, are those general compatibility issues related to class/speed? Considering my card and the one of Vencabot Teppoo, same brand, same capacity (apparently at least), maybe just a class different, I don't understand why mine is working out of the box and his isn't... urodelo On Fri, 21 May 2010 13:07:55 +0200, Yann Droneaud y...@droneaud.fr wrote: Le vendredi 21 mai 2010 à 12:56 +0200, David Garabana Barro a écrit : People use sd cards without partitions. Even Windows XP doesn't recognice partitions but the first one. That's why manufacturers doesn't bother to say that partition alignation is required. Or they came pre-partitionned. Average users never touch to the partition table. Once in a while they could make a new filesystem, but wont touch to the partition. (eg: format F: don't change the partition table on any media). Regards. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
- it does affect the way, the glamo interacts with the sd card, thus no additional wear and tear is included Alright, that's a relief. I have no idea how this sort of memory works or how it's worn over time, so I was, of course, ready to believe anything. - you do, in fact, not _in_crease the max clock, but _de_crease, since the default max clock is too fast for slow sd cards, they do not response in time and thus the communication times out That makes sense. So, I guess that the sd_mac_clk must be the time between ticks, or something like that -- a higher number means a slower clock. Gotcha. -David _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qt-moko] QX config being ignored
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 06:15:06AM +0200, Radek Polak wrote:
On Friday 14 May 2010 23:34:25 Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
* kbd=false launches an empty keyboard area
* rotate=true doesn't work
I implemented rotating with accelerometers. Try to flip the freerunner and it
should call xrandr -o N where N is number according to current rotation.
It worked last time i tried, but i have white screens quite often.
Great, just works about 50% as you said :)
Btw, it would be great if I could bring a chroot from my full Debian system
in /media/card to QX. Can you think an elegant way to perform this?
Write a script that chroots there and place a .desktop file for it in
/usr/share/applications. QX should find it and it should appear in the
favourites menu. I think it should be possible to work that way.
Yep, chrooting and binding /proc, /dev and /sys I get almost everything from my
Debian chroot from SD. Thanks.
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RE: 8 Gigabyte Sandisk MicroSDHC Incompatibility
Alex Samorukov wrote: Hi, i had the same problem, but good news is that this is very easy to avoid. I put in the kernel line glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=1000 setting. And after this it works perfectly, no more problems so far for a ~5 months. This solution worked for me yesterday, but, today, it isn't working. That's pretty bizarre... I was able to mkfs, fsck, mount, write, unmount, re-mount, and read a written file last night using this solution. Today, nothing doing; same problem as before. I tried re-partitioning and had the same problem as before; the new devices didn't show up until I rebooted. Still no luck. Can anyone think of a reason why it was working last night and not this afternoon? I wish that I could provide more information, but I'd just left the Freerunner charging over USB all night. Thanks again. -David _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
security Vulnerability or duplication in OpenERP??
Hi Every one,
I am having two problems, please idenfity, whether I am doing some thing
wrong, or this thing is not possible in OpenERP:
*Problem 1*
1. Whenever, I give access rights on an object, or set of objects to a
particular user, all the menus related to that object are automatically
accessible by that user. For example, in the account_voucher, if a list of
objects such as account.voucher, account.journal etc, etc. which are
required for a user, are given, all the menus under the voucher Entries are
automatically assigned. This is the default behavior. right?
2. Does this mean that there is no need to have
Administration---Security-Grant Access to Menus, some how granting
access to menus is useless, since objects access is needed and when I give
object access, menus access is automatically granted.
3. Is there is some way, that i can grant access to a list of objects to
two or three users, but restrict access to menus?
4. Scenario: I want to give access to user1 to Bank Receipt Voucher while
to user2, Cash Payment Voucher. Now menus are different, but objects are
same.
*Problem 2*
*
*
1. in the _columns{}, whenever a one2many() relation is chosen for a
field, on search, the fields associated with the many portion are
automatically shown. Can we restrict this view, i mean certain
columns/fields from the many part can be hidden from particular users,
while certain can be shown for search purpose only?
Thanking you in advance.
Regards,
MM Alam
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Re: [QtMoko] adding agps support
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes: SHR, and probably others too, have agps enabled by default. So i think it should be fairly easy to add this. I did a little research and it seems like all we have to do is to save the latest GPS data to a file when the GPS is shut down and feed this data back to the GPS when starting GPS next time. I have been searching the wiki, but havent found anything usefull on this. I found just how to do AGPS using ublox online service. When it's said FSO has agps enabled by default they mean FSO stores ephemeris and almanac from the chip every time prior to powering it off and loads the saved data after powering on. The code is there in ogpsd. If the ephemiri data is fresh enough (2-4 hours max), the effect is the same as downloading the data from the internet. Other than that, there's no agps integration yet afaik. HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: security Vulnerability or duplication in OpenERP??
On Sat, 22 May 2010 05:15:09 +0500
Masoom Alam masoom.a...@gmail.com (MA) wrote:
Hi Every one,
I am having two problems, please idenfity, whether I am doing some
thing wrong, or this thing is not possible in OpenERP:
*Problem 1*
1. Whenever, I give access rights on an object, or set of objects
to a particular user, all the menus related to that object are
automatically accessible by that user. For example, in the
account_voucher, if a list of objects such as account.voucher,
account.journal etc, etc. which are required for a user, are given,
all the menus under the voucher Entries are automatically assigned.
This is the default behavior. right? 2. Does this mean that there is
no need to have Administration---Security-Grant Access to
Menus, some how granting access to menus is useless, since objects
access is needed and when I give object access, menus access is
automatically granted. 3. Is there is some way, that i can grant
access to a list of objects to two or three users, but restrict
access to menus? 4. Scenario: I want to give access to user1 to Bank
Receipt Voucher while to user2, Cash Payment Voucher. Now menus are
different, but objects are same.
*Problem 2*
*
*
1. in the _columns{}, whenever a one2many() relation is chosen for a
field, on search, the fields associated with the many portion are
automatically shown. Can we restrict this view, i mean certain
columns/fields from the many part can be hidden from particular
users, while certain can be shown for search purpose only?
Thanking you in advance.
Regards,
MM Alam
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