Re: qmoko v28 with jitterless kernel
On 10/25/2010 10:23, giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: g_ether gadget: full speed config #2: RNDIS 4. RNDIS is something related to windows network. Can you try to connect FR to linux box? I use freebsd (tried 6.x and 8.x). I will try linux as soon as I can. Probably this may help to identify problem. Regrads, Gennady. Some more hints: -when connected to a linux box the fr-dmesg says: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and adress 3 usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0a12, idProduct=0001 usb 1-1: new USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0 -from freebsd: nmap -PN frqte Starting Nmap 5.21 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2010-10-25 10:15 CEST Strange error from connect (64):Host is down Nmap scan report for frqte (192.168.0.202) Host is up. rDNS record for 192.168.0.202: frdeb All 1000 scanned ports on frqte (192.168.0.202) are filtered Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 6.16 seconds Cheers Giacomo PS That PC was not mine so I couldn't try ssh. I tried to ssh from a linux box (ubuntu 7.x or 8.x, don't remember) and it worked perfectly... now the problem looks in the .34 kernel - usb0 - freebsd chain. Any hint would be very appreciated Giacomo __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[PIM] Reasons why we should use New instead of MessageRead
Greetings, Currently, MessageRead is used in the messages domain to indicate a message has been read, that is, it's not new. Together with the help and support of TAsn, we decided to change it to New. Couple of advantages in the new naming: 1. Most of the messages in the database are read, so keeping MessageRead will mean we keep this field for every message in the database, while keeping New means we'll only keep it for the fraction of unread messages we have. I used the same method in the calls domain for that exact same reason. 2. New is a more generic and nice name that also applies naturally to outgoing messages, outgoing messages are New, and sent messages are not. 3. This also makes querying for Unread messages easier as currently we have to check if MessageRead = 0 or MessageRead doesn't exist, this will make it easier. Of course we'll change the code to do it automatically. It will use this new naming for any future messages, but will also fix the old database automatically. -- Tom / daniele_athome ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
[cut] for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) Like this idea :) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
[cut] To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. This question you asked Boudewijn, is very important. Nikolaus, do you have some design available for preview? If so, I could also make a research in Poland, how much would it cost? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
[cut] Our results so far (I can't share all of them): STL + Silicone moulds: 2000 EUR setup + 50 EUR each every 100 units Injection Moulds: 25000 EUR setup + 20 EUR per unit 3D-Printing: no setup, 400 EUR every unit (quality doubtful) Milling from ABS block: no setup, 500 EUR every unit So 1-10 units does not come below 250 EUR. 100 units may come to 70 EUR. 1000 units to 45 EUR. 10k to 22.50 EUR. You see the volume effect and clear preference of injection moulds. Which also give best quality... Could you estimate how many units do you want to produce? [cut] -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: busted moko, anyone want it?
Dnia 2010-10-25, pon o godzinie 14:07 -0700, jeremy jozwik pisze: so. my moko is broko. screen has a nick in it, usb connector broke off and was poorly soldered back on, a switch to the micro sd is broken off and it will not boot. right now it is in a box next to my computer. anyone want it for something other then collecting dust? Hi Jeremy, I just hope, despite of your loss, you will stay tuned, and help our community. AFAIR you had some good ideas in the past :) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 26.10.2010 um 10:58 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. This question you asked Boudewijn, is very important. Nikolaus, do you have some design available for preview? If so, I could also make a research in Poland, how much would it cost? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CAD_models This is what I use for asking for quotes (the Neo 1973 case separated into the important parts): http://download.goldelico.com/ombeagle/images/Neo1973.step.zip BTW: I just come back from another plastics manufacturing company. They can produce a case by milling and glueing plastic plates. It would come to approx. 50 EUR. But is much larger (wall thickness 10 mm, slice thickness 3mm) and needs modifications to the whole construction. Personaly I would dislike this as a Smartphone (compared to a Nokia/Palm/HTC/Apple/Samsung) and we won't get many friends... And I discussed with them about laser cutting. Their opinion: can be used only for engraving into acrylic parts and cutting a general shape. But not for fine grained cuts. The laser burns the plastics until the color changes. He mentioned another method for injection moulds: using aluminium for vaccum injection moulds. They are not that expensive as real steel high-pressure moulds. But you can make only 50-100 parts before the mould must be replaced. Steel moulds cost multiples of 1 EUR but can be used for up to 100k units. Could you estimate how many units do you want to produce? Well, that depends on the price and we are back in the Hysteron Proteron. So let's ask to all here on this list: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote: mmh... why not include the button(s) in the same mould? it could be a shape like a C= attached to the main shape by a little plastic That's what he (Nicolaus) wrote: Yes. Some parts could be combined in a single mould and then broken apart. Like in toys where you do it yourself. But this does not reduce mould construction cost. for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes... Grids and holes attract dust of course, and a transparent shield on top of a led is one more shape to produce :-( or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see trough to view the electronic inside) I'm not so into plastics, how is the choice of transparent plastics? Thinking of transparent via glass to (capacitive touch)screens... Front and back same size touch screen and in between just enough plastic to cover all the electronics does not guarantee design, does it? And for the buttons; capacitive is an option (although... we have them on our washing machine and my wife has to do the washing: the buttons do not react to my fingers :-( ) but there are those strain sensors used in electronic balances that measure tension and compression in a material. Would they be usable to imply buttons by squeezing the phone or applying torque to it? Best regards, Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR Well... since a case only makes sense with a phone in it, I guess the question comes down to How much would you pay in addition to the pure board in order to get a full phone?, right? Depending on the total price of the GTA04, I would be quite interested in one unit (replacing my current FreeRunner). 20 Euros is a no-brainer from my perspective - considering that otherwise I would have to fiddle with the installation myself, or send in my current FreeRunner. I'm not quite comfortable with the first option, and the second might cost more than 20 Euros and will leave me without a phone for some time. 50 Euros still sound ok to me. Anything above 100 Euros seems to be a bit steep for me. Regards, Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
Dnia 2010-10-20, śro o godzinie 11:12 +0200, Radek Polak pisze: Hi, there is now new v28 release of qtmoko ready for downloading flashing and testing. You can download it from our sourceforge page under Experimental Great job Radek! Just one makes me wonder... is alsa-utils hold back on purpose?: neo:~# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: alsa-utils 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net wrote: On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR (...) 20 Euros is a no-brainer (...) 50 Euros still sound ok to me. Anything above 100 Euros seems to be a bit steep for me. I agree on the 20 and 50 euro options, when talking just about the case. When talking about (fictive) 350E for a complete phone, that seems OK if you don't know that it's 150 for electronics and 200 for the case. Over 100E might be steep for only the case, but combined with the foundation idea Nikolaus launched it might get interesting: * 20 E * 50 E * 100 E and one share in the Opencase foundation * 200 E and two shares in the Opencase foundation or a similar scheme. In case (no pun intended) we use a production method that scales well, the average case price will lower over time and after a break even the foundation could pay the shareholders. Probably gives loads of headaches in administration, but could be an option :-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
On Tuesday 26 October 2010 14:35:06 Patryk Benderz wrote: Great job Radek! Just one makes me wonder... is alsa-utils hold back on purpose?: Yes, the package in debian lenny has stupid dependencies on python and i wanted to avoid it, so i am installing slighlty modified alsa-utils with dpkg to avoid this dependency. You can read about it in my git in doc/txt/debian_rootfs.txt Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
Hello, in what way can one retrieve news about this project, what is its duration estimate? Given that the project just wants to add 3G to the device it shouldnt take ages :), i will buy this device as soon as possible :). What about built-in mic/reproductor are they planned right? -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/New-Phone-Project-MiniMoko-Which-functionalities-tp5606912p5674872.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On 10/26/2010 03:17 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wrote: --- On Tue, 10/26/10, Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net wrote: On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR (...) 20 Euros is a no-brainer (...) 50 Euros still sound ok to me. Anything above 100 Euros seems to be a bit steep for me. I agree on the 20 and 50 euro options, when talking just about the case. When talking about (fictive) 350E for a complete phone, that seems OK if you don't know that it's 150 for electronics and 200 for the case. Over 100E might be steep for only the case, but combined with the foundation idea Nikolaus launched it might get interesting: * 20 E * 50 E * 100 E and one share in the Opencase foundation * 200 E and two shares in the Opencase foundation or a similar scheme. In case (no pun intended) we use a production method that scales well, the average case price will lower over time and after a break even the foundation could pay the shareholders. Probably gives loads of headaches in administration, but could be an option :-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi All, Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. Just my 2 cents. Kind regards, @ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. Then, however you have the same problem as with reusing the Freerunner's case: You need to use the same display as used for the parent' device. If you want a custom display you will have to create a new case, too. -- n...@el-hennig.de Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 26.10.2010 um 16:52 schrieb Ed Kapitein: On 10/26/2010 03:17 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wrote: --- On Tue, 10/26/10, Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net wrote: On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR (...) 20 Euros is a no-brainer (...) 50 Euros still sound ok to me. Anything above 100 Euros seems to be a bit steep for me. I agree on the 20 and 50 euro options, when talking just about the case. When talking about (fictive) 350E for a complete phone, that seems OK if you don't know that it's 150 for electronics and 200 for the case. Over 100E might be steep for only the case, but combined with the foundation idea Nikolaus launched it might get interesting: * 20 E * 50 E * 100 E and one share in the Opencase foundation * 200 E and two shares in the Opencase foundation or a similar scheme. In case (no pun intended) we use a production method that scales well, the average case price will lower over time and after a break even the foundation could pay the shareholders. Probably gives loads of headaches in administration, but could be an option :-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi All, Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. Just my 2 cents. Interesting idea to think about. For me, this raises some questions. The first is: which one should we take? There are many candidates... Second one: do we want to become dependent on the availability of such products and/or spare parts? We need a source for pure spare parts where none of the *big five* can make our life even more difficult. Finally, it might become quite tricky to design a new PCB that fits into their cases because they use even more special tools and components than the Openmoko design does. If you look inside such a device they sometimes e.g. have multiple PCBs interconnected by Flex PCBs. Or they have custom designed connectors, buttons, springs, screws etc. Which is no problem if they produce 1 million units per month. Sean has given us a very important learning: we should use catalog components (e.g. DigiKey, Farnell, Mouser, RS-Components) as good as possible. Unfortunately they don't have a smartphone case. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
[cut] Yes, the package in debian lenny has stupid dependencies on python and i wanted to avoid it, so i am installing slighlty modified alsa-utils with dpkg to avoid this dependency. damn... I have a habit to upgrade everything just after installation... well, I assume I can live with that alsa-utils version? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
[cut] Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. Just my 2 cents. Do you have someone in china to know if this option would be have better quality/price ratio? P.S.please cut posts -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. It depends on the model, I think. I was looking for a new case (with the paint still on) for a Motorola A780, but they still cost $80 (which is quite steep for having the paint back...) I never looked for other cases; would there be any trademark/copyright issues? Perhaps we should look for the case of an open phone, like.. ehr... yes, like which phone ;-) Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
[cut] The first is: which one should we take? There are many candidates... Did you looked for Universal mobile phone casing - maybe this would fit in? I am pretty sure, once upon time I found something like this, produced by Chinese manufacturers. [cut] Finally, it might become quite tricky to design a new PCB that fits into their cases because they use even more special tools and components than the Openmoko design does. If you look inside such a device they sometimes e.g. have multiple PCBs interconnected by Flex PCBs. Or they have custom designed connectors, buttons, springs, screws etc. Which is no problem if they produce 1 million units per month. Sean has given us a very important learning: we should use catalog components (e.g. DigiKey, Farnell, Mouser, RS-Components) as good as possible. Unfortunately they don't have a smartphone case. But they have conector and Flex and so on, right? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On 10/26/2010 05:05 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: SNIP Hi All, Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not use an existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like? (or a chinese replica) The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it seems that it might be an easier thing to do. Just my 2 cents. Interesting idea to think about. For me, this raises some questions. The first is: which one should we take? There are many candidates... Second one: do we want to become dependent on the availability of such products and/or spare parts? We need a source for pure spare parts where none of the *big five* can make our life even more difficult. Finally, it might become quite tricky to design a new PCB that fits into their cases because they use even more special tools and components than the Openmoko design does. If you look inside such a device they sometimes e.g. have multiple PCBs interconnected by Flex PCBs. Or they have custom designed connectors, buttons, springs, screws etc. Which is no problem if they produce 1 million units per month. Sean has given us a very important learning: we should use catalog components (e.g. DigiKey, Farnell, Mouser, RS-Components) as good as possible. Unfortunately they don't have a smartphone case. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Nikolaus , I think all your points are valid, it would be just a start to get the phone out to the public And perhpaps a part of the price could be used to get the parts/equipment to make a custom case. I took a look at my old htc magican and the screen dimensions are the same as the FR. The photo button is almost at the same location as the AUX button. The power button is somewhere else though. a cover cost aprox 22 dollar at [1] and perhpas less if you order a 100 or so. It wouldn't be a perfect sollution, but it might be a step on the road. [1] http://www.globalwholesalebusiness.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=1products_id=4144 Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v28
В Втр, 26/10/2010 в 17:06 +0200, Patryk Benderz пишет: [cut] Yes, the package in debian lenny has stupid dependencies on python and i wanted to avoid it, so i am installing slighlty modified alsa-utils with dpkg to avoid this dependency. damn... I have a habit to upgrade everything just after installation... well, I assume I can live with that alsa-utils version? Anyway nowhere to upgrade, anyway qtmoko based on stable debian. Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Hi Ed, hi Boudewijn, let me combine your thoughts... Am 26.10.2010 um 17:24 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: I never looked for other cases; would there be any trademark/copyright issues? Perhaps we should look for the case of an open phone, like.. ehr... yes, like which phone ;-) Boudewijn Am 26.10.2010 um 17:28 schrieb Ed Kapitein: On 10/26/2010 05:05 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I think all your points are valid, it would be just a start to get the phone out to the public And perhpaps a part of the price could be used to get the parts/equipment to make a custom case. I took a look at my old htc magican and the screen dimensions are the same as the FR. The photo button is almost at the same location as the AUX button. The power button is somewhere else though. a cover cost aprox 22 dollar at [1] and perhpas less if you order a 100 or so. It wouldn't be a perfect sollution, but it might be a step on the road. Suddenly it became obvious... There is an open phone where approx. 18000 cases have been sold. It is called Neo Freerunner (and 3000 thereof are Neo 1973). So there are nice cases out there. Well, they lack some features, but other cases aren't perfect either. So why get a different one, when most of us already have one :) And those who don't have one yet could get a used Freerunner. So we could organize to collect all those unused Freerunners to get a new home. And make the GTA04 just a motherboard upgrade. This would reduce the pressure to produce a new plastics case... Nevertheless, we should continue to work on a really new (and different) case. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
On Tuesday 26 October 2010, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 26.10.2010 um 10:58 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the design available. This question you asked Boudewijn, is very important. Nikolaus, do you have some design available for preview? If so, I could also make a research in Poland, how much would it cost? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CAD_models This is what I use for asking for quotes (the Neo 1973 case separated into the important parts): http://download.goldelico.com/ombeagle/images/Neo1973.step.zip BTW: I just come back from another plastics manufacturing company. They can produce a case by milling and glueing plastic plates. It would come to approx. 50 EUR. But is much larger (wall thickness 10 mm, slice thickness 3mm) and needs modifications to the whole construction. Personaly I would dislike this as a Smartphone (compared to a Nokia/Palm/HTC/Apple/Samsung) and we won't get many friends... 10mm?! Friends were doing better than that when I was at school! And I discussed with them about laser cutting. Their opinion: can be used only for engraving into acrylic parts and cutting a general shape. But not for fine grained cuts. The laser burns the plastics until the color changes. That runs counter to representations I've seen from multiple manufacturers. Here's a counterexample: http://www.cut-tec.co.uk/laser%20cut%20plastic.html Discolouration is a problem with polycarbonate, but many others seem to be fine. I guess there's only one way to find out for sure, and the case of my PJB100 is starting to fall apart. I'll let you know how I get on, and whether it ends up looking acceptable. How many new cases would you and your friends buy if it costs: * 20 EUR * 50 EUR * 100 EUR * 200 EUR I need at most 2 phones, and wouldn't recommend this style of phone to most of my friends. As for cost, it really depends on the case and what's going in it. I'd probably think twice about 200 EUR unless it was something special though! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Well I bought M6 steel today. I'll cut it tomorrow in the machine shop of my university... Lets hope, the MiniMendel fits together. I'll build the mendel SS all thread-dimension. So there will be enough space to do printing a freerunner case. Then I'll do a reduced version of the PCB, so that I can produce my own also in the students shop. Lets hope we have a Huxley around here soon :-D best regards leviathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FoxtrotGPS 1.0.0 now available
Hi everybody, I'm pleased to announce the release of FoxtrotGPS 1.0.0, the first stable release since branching from tangoGPS; tarballs (with detached GnuPG signatures) are available at http://www.foxtrotgps.org/releases/. There have been a few issues found and fixed since the 0.99.4 release, and several community contributions that Daniel Baumann has been carrying in his Debian package have been folded in upstream: * Typographical errors like metrical have been fixed (thanks to Brian H Wilson). * We now recover gracefully if we lose our connection to gpsd, where previously we could get into a state where foxtrotgps would gobble CPU-time and potentially fail to reconnect (thanks to Timo Juhani Lindfors). * When loading GPX files, we now load `routepoints' as well as `trackpoints' (this was folded in from tangoGPS). * A gap in the Finnish translation has been repaired (thanks to Timo Jyrinki). * The Glade-based GUI is maintained more sanely, to make the lives of both GUI-designers and translators easier (thanks to Timo Jyrinki for consulting on this, and apologies to anyone who I confused with the `.glade.in' file). * A `clear track' button has been enabled, so there's now a straightforward way of *unloading* a track (this was folded in from tangoGPS). * We now have a basic manual (man page) included (thanks to Daniel Baumann). * ./autogen.sh now generates less confusing/misleading output. * Map-tiles are now displayed as soon as they are loaded-- we no longer wait for *all* downloads to complete before showing *any* new tiles. * Paul Wise's script to import GeoRSS points into the POI database is now included (thanks, Paul!). * Marcus Bauer's convert2gpx and convert2osm scripts are now included (thanks, Marcus!), patched with Pavel Zubkou's fix (coming via Debian) so that the output of convert2gpx is actually valid GPX (thanks, Pavel!); and man pages are included (thanks to Daniel Baumann). * foxtrotgps.desktop has been clean-up and standardised in various ways (thanks to Daniel Baumann), including use of a more appropriate set of categories (thanks to a patch from Luca Capello, via Debian). A full list of changes since our baseline tangoGPS release (0.99.3) is available in the NEWS file in the package. Sadly, we haven't receive any kind of feedback from our sister project, tangoGPS--though there has been one tangoGPS revision since we branched..., which actually includes some changes that I don't believe we should merge at this time (mainly the `live logging' additions); so it looks as though we've reached a point where we can't quite be a strict functional superset of tango (i.e.: `tangoGPS plus'), and `1.0' marks the point where the two projects have started diverging. The only changeset left to merge from tangoGPS, right now, is the HxM heartrate-monitor support (a somewhat substantial addition), which will go into the first `1.1 series' release; most of the work of disentangling and re-integrating the changes from the tangoGPS tarball-release has already been done, and there's just some minor work left to convert the GUI-changes to GladeXML (my `reconstituted tangoGPS' branch is available at http://www.hackerposse.com/~rozzin/foxtrotgps/branches/tangogps, if anyone's interested). ... then I can get back to merging the conversion to use OsmGpsMap :) and we can work toward the development of many other new and interesting improvements. -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
