GTA04 Boot speed comparison
Here is a short video showing booting * GTA02 (with quite old OM2009.5 - modern SHR and QtMoko are faster) * GTA04 (with Debian Squeeze 6.0.2 and LXDE) and * iPhone 3G (iOS 4.2.1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG31rCHZXh4 The winner is ... ... find out yourself! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi all, On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 13:45, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: The winner is ... The one that is the first to boot! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Haha great! I'm definitely curious about gta04... (what is missing for gta04 imho is a new case... the actual case of gta02 is too high in the borders of the screen) But the comparison is a bit unfair... try to boot shr from nand i'm sure i will be faster than iphone. d On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 13:45, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: The winner is ... The one that is the first to boot! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Looks very cool. I am really waiting upgrade for my GTA02 :) On 09/21/2011 01:45 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Here is a short video showing booting * GTA02 (with quite old OM2009.5 - modern SHR and QtMoko are faster) * GTA04 (with Debian Squeeze 6.0.2 and LXDE) and * iPhone 3G (iOS 4.2.1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG31rCHZXh4 The winner is ... ... find out yourself! Iphone? ;- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 21/09/2011 13:45, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Here is a short video showing booting * GTA02 (with quite old OM2009.5 - modern SHR and QtMoko are faster) * GTA04 (with Debian Squeeze 6.0.2 and LXDE) and * iPhone 3G (iOS 4.2.1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG31rCHZXh4 The winner is ... ... find out yourself! ___ I didn't know the iOS is s long to boot ! And choosing OM2009.5 is a tricky choice to win ;-D... GTA02 boots faster on recent distros. But good thing to see a GTA04 working ! I Really need to see it in shops. Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG31rCHZXh4 The winner is ... ... find out yourself! Some of us can't access YouTube because it's blocked (employer/etc). Would you mind telling us in plain ASCII? MS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Boot speed comparison
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 15:16 +, Michael Sokolov wrote: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG31rCHZXh4 The winner is ... ... find out yourself! Some of us can't access YouTube because it's blocked (employer/etc). Would you mind telling us in plain ASCII? GTA04 wins by a wide margin, GTA02 looses by an even wider one. But to be honest, I almost never reboot my phone. I prefer a fully working power management system. Xav ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am 21.09.2011 um 14:54 schrieb Davide Scaini: Haha great! I'm definitely curious about gta04... (what is missing for gta04 imho is a new case... the actual case of gta02 is too high in the borders of the screen) As soon as we have learned how to really make a new case, We will choose a new display module and start... If we take the time from the GTA04 idea to the current status, we can expect that a new case comes in 2014... But I am sure it will come. Like Rome was built in one day, but eventually was :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am 21.09.2011 um 14:54 schrieb Davide Scaini: But the comparison is a bit unfair... try to boot shr from nand i'm sure i will be faster than iphone. We just did not have a GTA02 with a working installation in NAND, except that old SD card we use for device testing after buzz-fixes. For us, the GTA02 devices have mostly become sources for plastic parts and are not used for developing or installing new software :) So I respect that the newer versions e.g. of SHR and QtMoko are booting much faster. Nevertheless, the GTA04 isn't optimized at all. Firstly, it waits 1 second on the RS232 for breaking into U-Boot. Then, it loads the 3 MByte kernel with most modules compiled in, and prints the full boot log to the RS232 interface (limited to 115 kbit/s = ca. 10k characters per second). Finally, the rootfs is a plain standard Debian Squeeze without any optimization for boot speed. For me, the most surprising result is that it already boots without any optimizations significantly faster into GUI mode than the iPhone. BTW: David has reported that the original QtMoko rootfs image does boot and allows to do some useful things on the GTA04. So it does not appear difficult to adapt a real and full QtMoko (or SHR or hackable:1 or ...) release for the GTA04. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04 Boot speed comparison
The video doesn't work in IceCat using HTML5 (WebM). A free phone should deliver its videos in a patent unencumbered format whenever possible. On 9/21/11, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 21.09.2011 um 14:54 schrieb Davide Scaini: But the comparison is a bit unfair... try to boot shr from nand i'm sure i will be faster than iphone. We just did not have a GTA02 with a working installation in NAND, except that old SD card we use for device testing after buzz-fixes. For us, the GTA02 devices have mostly become sources for plastic parts and are not used for developing or installing new software :) So I respect that the newer versions e.g. of SHR and QtMoko are booting much faster. Nevertheless, the GTA04 isn't optimized at all. Firstly, it waits 1 second on the RS232 for breaking into U-Boot. Then, it loads the 3 MByte kernel with most modules compiled in, and prints the full boot log to the RS232 interface (limited to 115 kbit/s = ca. 10k characters per second). Finally, the rootfs is a plain standard Debian Squeeze without any optimization for boot speed. For me, the most surprising result is that it already boots without any optimizations significantly faster into GUI mode than the iPhone. BTW: David has reported that the original QtMoko rootfs image does boot and allows to do some useful things on the GTA04. So it does not appear difficult to adapt a real and full QtMoko (or SHR or hackable:1 or ...) release for the GTA04. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: per second). Finally, the rootfs is a plain standard Debian Squeeze without any optimization for boot speed. This probably means it is armel and not armhf yet? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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BTW: David has reported that the original QtMoko rootfs image does boot and allows to do some useful things on the GTA04. So it does not appear difficult to adapt a real and full QtMoko (or SHR or hackable:1 or ...) release for the GTA04. I wrote a porting guide for SHR(we also have one for android phones specificities...) it's here: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Device%20Porting%20Guide So everyone is welcome to port SHR to it and to improve the guide(it's rather minimalist right now) Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Alon Ivtsan alonivt...@gmail.com writes: The video doesn't work in IceCat using HTML5 (WebM). Try youtube-dl and vlc. Tested and works at least in debian unstable. A free phone should deliver its videos in a patent unencumbered format whenever possible. Your position is that webm is patent encumbered but theora isn't? I don't know, I'm just trying to ask for clarification. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am 21.09.2011 um 19:29 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: per second). Finally, the rootfs is a plain standard Debian Squeeze without any optimization for boot speed. This probably means it is armel and not armhf yet? Yes. BTW: what is armhf? Never heard that... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: BTW: what is armhf? Never heard that... A lot of modern ARM boards and devices ship with a floating-point unit (FPU) but the current Debian armel port doesn't take much advantage of it. A new ARM port requiring the presence of a FPU would help squeeze the most performance juice out of hardware with a FPU. -- http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am 21.09.2011 um 20:03 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 21.09.2011 um 19:29 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: per second). Finally, the rootfs is a plain standard Debian Squeeze without any optimization for boot speed. This probably means it is armel and not armhf yet? Yes. BTW: what is armhf? Never heard that... Sorry, now the dime has fallen... hf = hard float. Good question. I don't know, but even float operations run at significant speeups. I have some test application that did calculate a Mandelbrot set on a Zaurus or on the GTA02 in approx. 250 seconds. On the GTA04 the same code (with a armv4 cross-compiler! I.e.. no ARM 7 or NEON optimizations) just needs 2 seconds. So hard float may not be as important as it was. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Theora is fine as well but Youtube doesn't support it as far as I know. The only unencumbered format supported by Youtube is VP8 and Vorbis in a WebM container. The GTA04 boot video can be downloaded in WebM format using UnPlug for example but it cannot be viewed online without downloading when using HTML5 on IceCat. The easiest way to make videos accessible to free software users is to upload them to Youtube in the WebM format. More details are available here: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:PlayOgg/WebM_recipe On 9/21/11, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Alon Ivtsan alonivt...@gmail.com writes: The video doesn't work in IceCat using HTML5 (WebM). Try youtube-dl and vlc. Tested and works at least in debian unstable. A free phone should deliver its videos in a patent unencumbered format whenever possible. Your position is that webm is patent encumbered but theora isn't? I don't know, I'm just trying to ask for clarification. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The video doesn't work in IceCat using HTML5 (WebM). A free phone should deliver its videos in a patent unencumbered format whenever possible. I second thatÂ… Anyhow, it makes me even more curious (-; Johan Commelin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
