QtMoko v55
Hi, i tried to update and get: root@neo:~# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: qtmoko-navit 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. root@neo:~# apt-get install qtmoko-navit Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: qtmoko-navit : Depends: libgps20 (= 3.3) but it is not installable Depends: libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages root@neo:~# Regards Matth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko v55
Hi, I updated and got the following problem: root@neo:~# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: qtmoko-navit 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. root@neo:~# apt-get install qtmoko-navit Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: qtmoko-navit : Depends: libgps20 (= 3.3) but it is not installable Depends: libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages root@neo:~# Regards Matth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v55
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 08:07:06 AM nitpi...@arcor.de wrote: Hi, I updated and got the following problem: root@neo:~# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages have been kept back: qtmoko-navit 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. root@neo:~# apt-get install qtmoko-navit Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: qtmoko-navit : Depends: libgps20 (= 3.3) but it is not installable Depends: libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.0) but it is not installable E: Broken packages root@neo:~# Yes, i noticed too, i need to rebuild navit with squeeze dependencies. Or rebuild QtMoko for wheezy - which is what i am doing now. Please give me a few more days... Regads Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
Am 04.10.2012 um 14:50 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: We have started to plan the production of the next GTA04 batch. This will include a minor board layout update (therefore the name GTA04A5). For some details what will change, please see [1]. It is very important that we can estimate the real demand and depending on that set the right price. Therefore, please use the wishlist function to state that you are interested and what your favourite price would be. Please note that if you choose a high price, likelihood will increase that we can produce earlier and in smaller batches. If you choose a lower price this is fine as well, but it may not become available at your preferred price. I.e. we are trying to find an optimum between price and number of units. Anyways, a wishlist entry is not binding - it just gives us a picture what our community is interested in. So please start voting: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 The more votes we get, the better the picture will be. [1]: http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/community/2012-October/000103.html Am 18.12.2012 um 21:36 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: +++ GTA04A5 preorders +++ Now as we have finally learned everything about mass production and the adventure of the first group tour is finished, it is time to kick-start the next one. As with any major version increment, this time it should run much smoother... And if not, we will do Version A6 :) So we plan to produce up to 200 more GTA05A5 units at a price of 555.55 EUR [3]. Production can start after we have really finalized the PCB layout. Work on the layout had been slowed down while fixing the GTA04A4 boards. The reason why we need a redesign is that we have to solve some minor production issues, replace obsolete components and to add some small features. But before we can start production, we need some money upfront and finally decide how many units we will build this time. Therefore, we immediately start to collect pre-orders [3] for approx. 2 months and then start production. Please expect delivery by end of March. I will keep you updated on the status. [3]: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Hi all, end of march is coming closer which was the original date scheduled for shipment and some of you are waiting for a status information. But to be frank and open: there are not many of you waiting. Just a handful. To be precise: 4 prepaid orders 11 entries in the wishlist (if we combine GTA04 + 2804 wishes) This is simply not enough to start production without loosing a lot of money that is nowhere available. Because people sometimes believe that we want to rip off everybody by the high price [2] (555 EUR for the planned GTA04A5 board), let me give some facts about component prices (you can also research yourself at www.Mouser.com): OMAP3530CBP100: 34-37 EUR Memory chip:12-15 EUR UMTS module:60-90 EUR WLAN+BT+GPS:40 EUR PCB:40 EUR + 2000 EUR one-time cost (machine setup) Production: 45 EUR + 1000 EUR one-time cost (machine setup and stencil) Other components: 100 EUR (there are approx. 200 positions on the BOM!) WEEE, CE, etc: 10 EUR Factor for Repairs and Warranty:110% Please note that these component prices are a fact if we buy 1-100 units without any room for negotiations. So this makes more than 350 EUR for the components. Plus setup cost. Plus warranties. And there is not yet a margin for anyone involved in the process. E.g. development of (new) features (e.g. OMAP4/5, LTE, better display, new case) costs timemoney and must be covered by sales of the existing GTA04. Now, if we want to let's say build 10 units, the setup cost distributes to 300 EUR per unit and even at 100 we still have to expect at least 30 EUR. And, you have to consider that the BOM cost does not even include VAT. From this calculation it becomes obvious that nobody wants to rip off anyone and a comparison to cheap devices built in Asia is neither fair nor showing knowledge about economical mechanisms. The key to open the GTA04 door is getting more units into one production batch. But without demand (for the only free and open smart handheld that really is available) it does not work. So we unfortunately have to postpone the production of GTA04A5 boards, until someone manages to create more demand. This is a little sad, since we now have solved all technological problems and could start production anytime (well the longer we wait the more components will become EOL and have to be substituted). Anyways we will continue to support the existing GTA04A3/A4 by improving the kernel, boot loader etc. If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do! Nikolaus Schaller [2] e.g. http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/golden-delicious-now-shipping-hackable-openmoko-gta04-help-206389182.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list
Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:22:39 AM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do! Hi Nikolaus, first of all thanks for all your work. It's quite sad that such nice project is attractive for only such small group of people. I dont think there was any obvious mistake done. Most likely it's just wrong time for our project. Openmoko sold 1 phones with much worse HW and with crap software - maybe that's why there is so small demand for GTA04 now... Ideas: I think there might be interest in encrypted GSM calls - those customers would be not worried by big price. It's just matter of implementing SW for it. The board would be nice for some industrial solution. E.g. company where i work uses nearly identical OMAP board for reading smartcards in trains: http://www.odp.cz/index.php?id=53L=1 GTA04 board would be much better for this, but unfortunately the board was chosen before GTA04 was usable. High price is not problem here... Looking forward meeting you and Christoph in Berlin! Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
Encrypted GSM calls are basically not feasible to transfer encrypted voice you need a data link between the both ME, GSM creates GSM-codec voice path, not a data path. Means your data gets mangled by carrier's audio processing. You *can* *not* send data at a reasonable speed over a GSM voice call link. /j On Tue 26 March 2013 15:58:10 Radek Polak wrote: On Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:22:39 AM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do! Hi Nikolaus, first of all thanks for all your work. It's quite sad that such nice project is attractive for only such small group of people. I dont think there was any obvious mistake done. Most likely it's just wrong time for our project. Openmoko sold 1 phones with much worse HW and with crap software - maybe that's why there is so small demand for GTA04 now... Ideas: I think there might be interest in encrypted GSM calls - those customers would be not worried by big price. It's just matter of implementing SW for it. The board would be nice for some industrial solution. E.g. company where i work uses nearly identical OMAP board for reading smartcards in trains: http://www.odp.cz/index.php?id=53L=1 GTA04 board would be much better for this, but unfortunately the board was chosen before GTA04 was usable. High price is not problem here... Looking forward meeting you and Christoph in Berlin! Radek -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
SNIP the kernel, boot loader etc. If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do! Nikolaus Schaller Hi Nikolaus, Thanks for your great and continued work on the GTA0x. Wouldn't it be nice if the GTA04 could be a showcase for the upcoming Ubuntu phone? I think the Ubuntu phone will get a lot of attention, once it come out and being able to show it on the GTA04 would sure get some attention, and thus demand. Just my 0.02 btc. Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
Am 26.03.2013 um 17:00 schrieb Ed Kapitein: SNIP the kernel, boot loader etc. If you have ideas how to stimulate demand, please do! Nikolaus Schaller Hi Nikolaus, Thanks for your great and continued work on the GTA0x. Wouldn't it be nice if the GTA04 could be a showcase for the upcoming Ubuntu phone? Yes, we are open for that. Just waiting for their phone call :) I think the Ubuntu phone will get a lot of attention, once it come out and being able to show it on the GTA04 would sure get some attention, and thus demand. I think it will work only if we (i.e. someone from our community) is porting Ubuntu touch to the GTA04. Currently they work on these devices: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Supported_devices_and_codenames Just my 0.02 btc. Kind regards, Ed ___ Gta04-owner mailing list gta04-ow...@goldelico.com http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/gta04-owner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
On Tuesday 26 March 2013 16:13:43 joerg Reisenweber wrote: Encrypted GSM calls are basically not feasible to transfer encrypted voice you need a data link between the both ME, GSM creates GSM-codec voice path, not a data path. Means your data gets mangled by carrier's audio processing. You *can* *not* send data at a reasonable speed over a GSM voice call link. IIRC it's been done with GSM data calls but I don't know if the code was ever released. At 9600bps it's not just SIP/ZRTP over PPP though! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
Dnia 2013-03-26, wto o godzinie 16:13 +0100, joerg Reisenweber pisze: Encrypted GSM calls are basically not feasible [cut] Seems it was done years ago [1] using CSD (data) channel: Secure Voice is protecting you against GSM voice interception. Your mobile operator is not capable to record your conversation when you are using Secure Voice. Industry usual GSM interception hard- and software is not able to catch your conversation. Additionally to this: You personally can choose the desired security grade. There are two versions of Secure Voice: Secure Voice CSD and Secure Voice 3G. They differ in the way the encrypted data is transferred from one mobile to another. Cost of CSD connection seems to be like for sending a fax. [1] http://www.secure-voice.com/ -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
Well, we all value different qualities. In addition to being libre, I would really like a bigger display and battery option, and a case for it. Maybe a 4 display - maybe bigger. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
