Re: Camera on GTA02

, when there is demand for a phone it will can be sold both with and without contracts. Overhere FIC needs to get these resellers on board, not the operators. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

at all, but when things get crowded you will need some rules or it will become a useless mess. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Google Phone is coming...

(or not) it is. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Message duplicates (was: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?)

and bugtracking... There is a list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_hosting_facilities AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: mailing list management

regardless of the configuration of the mailinglist... AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe

will be installing there own unbranded software on it may not concern them a that much, most user will simply stay with what they get (unless its just too anoying off course). AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: FM Radio

of information. Navigation software that is able to take trafic jams into account when calculating it's route provides serious added value for a lot of people. So in a NEO with GPS i think it is usefull, especially for the people who want a phone with GPS. AVee

Re: WiFi vs. speaker

not. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Help Request for our Webshop

to get this working with minimal impact. AVee -- Write a paper promising salvation, make it a 'structured' something or a 'virtual' something, or 'abstract', 'distributed' or 'higher-order' or 'applicative' and you can almost be certain of having started a new cult. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra (1979

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

thing,not being able to use all that code out there is not. I'm not totaly convinced of either approach yet, I guess both have their place. AVee -- When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail. ___ OpenMoko

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

On Tuesday 25 September 2007 17:51, Dani Anon wrote: On 9/25/07, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll use commercial app if they are worth the money. But i really don't see how someone developing a non-free (both in speech as in beer) should get their toolkit for free. When you expect

Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions)

should never split a community over several different communication mediums, and you should not try to radically change the medium either. For that reason alone Harald is right to oppose against forums (for developer usage, that is). AVee (I've said it, I won't be dragged into discussions about

Re: Wired Test article on the lazy phone industry mentions OpenMoko

://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/magazine/test2007/st_essay AVee -- Ginsburg's Law: At the precise moment you take off your shoe in a shoe store, your big toe will pop out of your sock to see what's going on. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

from the community list and wait for the announcement telling you the thing is available, *like you would with any other product*. Or be happy with whatever information you may get, realizing it's all extra. AVee -- An apple every eight hours will keep three doctors away

Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

customers are allowed to do, what FIC is doing here is providing community service and goes beyond any obligation they have toward us. I really annoys me when people claim a right to get something *for free*. It doesn't work that way, you can ask, but you just can't make demands. AVee -- meeting

Re: community@lists.openmoko.org

for the announcement you telling you the thing is available, *like you would with any other product*. Or be happy with whatever information you may get, realizing it's all extra. AVee -- An apple every eight hours will keep three doctors away. ___ OpenMoko

Re: google open phone platform

. They said, minimum reqs is about a 200MHz ARM9 so that shouldn't be the problem. If that works out Google may just have jumpstarted the launch of the Neo, time will tell. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

guess that's because the 900 band is used for something else in the US, at least, I hope that's the reason. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

be used throughout the world, except the US. Thats good enough for biggest part of all GSM users. Your the minority on the one. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

, but better that a phone with just 850 or 900 (and it might be preferable when producing it, because the phones will be identical again). AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

suck to miss out on the neo because off dull things like frequency issues, and I really hope this will be resolved in some way. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

be to buy one of these personal GSM jammers and program the Neo to make a noise when it finds a network. But that approach might have some disadvantages ;-) AVee -- Everyone is entitled to my opinion. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

On Wednesday 07 November 2007 21:39, Tommi Virtanen wrote: The only reason USA picked non-standard frequencies was because they had already licensed the 900 and 1800 MHz bands to something else. Just totaly useless curiousity, but does anyone know what these bands are used for in the US? --

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

the switch trivial. However, the issue appears to involve hardware as well, so I don't have high hopes for that. But maybe thet manage to get a jumper on the board or something... AVee -- AMAZING BUT TRUE ... If all the salmon caught in Canada in one year were laid end to end across

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

you will drain the battery very fast when you only send a location every 10 minutes or so. That should not make a huge difference on battery consumption, but be enough to retrieve it. AVee -- You can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish

Re: Is Google developing a phone after all?

will be based on the Qualcomm MSM7K. That's what consortiums are about, doing each other those kind of favors. AVee -- It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. -- Douglas Adams ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

guess that's because the 900 band is used for something else in the US, at least, I hope that's the reason. AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: i'm going to lose my neo....

it couldn't be a part of the base system. It this kind of stuff which sets OpenMoko apart from an 'normal' smartphone. But I do agree there it should be handled properly, otherwise it will become useless in practice. AVee -- Do not believe in miracles -- rely on them

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

the lens thing might work well enough after all) AVee -- I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing... -- Thomas Jefferson ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman

Re: Harald LaF0rge Welte: Leaving OpenMoko...

. AVee -- It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. -- Douglas Adams ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement

foldable display. Or perhaps a build in beamer of some sort. Then add the laser projection keyboard thinkgeek sells and find all hope of a decent battery live is gone ;-) AVee -- Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

a lot, give a bit back' or the Google 'Grab what you can get' model. AVee -- A man with one watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never quite sure. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: Email App (why openmoko-apps not on gmane?)

On Wednesday 21 November 2007 14:40, Lars Hallberg wrote: Is there a reason this list and others like the owner list is *not* available on gmane? Would be far easier to follow. Help yourself: http://gmane.org/add.php AVee -- All true wisdom is found on T-shirts

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

-source, they are a lousy contributor and a lousy community member. For now, i'd rather buy an iPhone, just because at least it doesn't pretend to be open. /rant AVee ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request

a way to make 'm work without electicity you will hear about it. AVee -- Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request

, a lot of them can be found here: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/05/the_value_of_pr.html Be sure to read the comments also. AVee -- AMAZING BUT TRUE ... There is so much sand in Northern Africa that if it were spread out it would completely cover the Sahara Desert

Re: SIM card read/write [was Re: SIM Card Copy]

that basic functionality for any GSM phone, but cloning the authentication part of a SIM card is a can of worms I'd rather keep tightly closed. AVee -- Murder is always a mistake -- one should never do anything one cannot talk about after dinner. -- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

Re: 2007.11 snapshot available

stupid patents, and frankly T9 seems to be pretty trivial to implement. We would have to name it differently tough, T9 is a trademark of Tegic Communications... AVee -- Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. ___ OpenMoko community

Re: next costumers location

On Monday 14 April 2008 01:13, steve wrote: A. We killed the orange colored phone. May it rest in peace. *snif* I will now forever (or at least the rest of the day) regret not buying a GTA01. AVee -- Never eat more than you can lift. -- Miss Piggy

Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework

consider that to be a showstopper. If there were no leds at all, i'd still would have bought it... AVee -- You've been warned! If you fall and break your leg, don't come running to me! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases

and will make sure those leds will never be turned on again... AVee -- You've been warned! If you fall and break your leg, don't come running to me! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

On Sunday 04 May 2008 22:17, Ian Darwin wrote: You want repeatable builds? Write a build system that saves the complete name and MD5 of every file, and checks every file that it downloads before using it, every time. Pssst: http://hudson.gotdns.com/wiki/display/HUDSON/Fingerprint AVee

Re: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API

with support for the data formats of popular european maps. Frankly, it seems to be more about selling the service plan anyway. I'd rather wait for the device thats able to make phone calls as well... AVee -- It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them

Re: Alarmclock puzzle

that doesn't turn off until you leave your bedroom would be a good one. The GPS might just be sensible enough, problem is though, it can only measure where the phone is. I can just see those neo's (freerunners, sorry) flying right out of the window. :) AVee -- Write a paper promising salvation

Re: Email disclaimers [Was: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?]

either talk some common sense into the one who dreamed this up or us a proper emailservice somewhere. AVee -- A radioactive cat has eighteen half-lives. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman

Re: My experience with the Freerunner

. There probably also is a difference between GSM900 and GSM1800 (iirc 1800 has a lower range which needs to be compensated by higher transmission power). AVee -- When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute -- and it's longer

Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode

a purely technical perspective it's horrible... AVee -- There must be a beginning of any great matter, but the continuing unto the end until it be thoroughly finished yields the true glory. -- Sir Francis Drake ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip

party at some degree). You could actually use it to calculate your position anywhere on the surface of the earth. Lets call it Global Positioning System (GPS). Really, what you describe here is exactly what GPS does, and you can indeed use GPS to get an acurate time... AVee -- You can tune

OT: TinyURL [Was: OT: ajax image galleries]

. those who should get a decent mail client), I don't 'hate' them. But please at least also include the original url. These mails are archived and both the email and the linked page may outlive the tinyurl service. You might end up loosing usefull information there. AVee -- AMAZING BUT TRUE

Re: GPS -- AGPS

the license status for the GPS chip before jumping to premature conclusions but currently it seems that DGPS will not be possible with the Freerunner. It indeed looks like that, which is a pity, because this could have been a feature really setting the Freerunner apart from other devices. AVee

Re: Why not use forum?

there and be happy with your forum if thats what you really want, but please stop redoing the same discussion over and over again. AVee [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/thread.html [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008008.html -- Human beings

Re: Spam

doesn't hold a single email with that adresses anywhere in it. So at least there wasn't any spam in the last 20 days... AVee -- You've been warned! If you fall and break your leg, don't come running to me! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community

Re: bluetooth proximity

for anything. AVee -- Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: GPS

would be in the 'which country' range. If that's not good enough data fetched from http://celldb.org/ might help as well. AVee -- Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams

Re: The glamo chip and its future

=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite snip If you really want us to read whatever it is your telling is you really should stop posting html emails... AVee -- AMAZING BUT TRUE ... If all the salmon caught in Canada in one year were laid end to end across the Sahara Desert

Ping Christoph [Was: Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop]

batch, is there any change of being in the first batch when the order isn't confirmed yet? Hopefully answering this to the list will save you a some of the individual questions... AVee ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: ancient hardware?

. At the current price it looks like this is a good combination of components, and I do like the current price :) AVee ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: GPS

data, assuming we can get country information from the GSM network (or the SIM card perhaps?). Just adding this to the GPS initialisation might allready reduce the time needed to get a fix hugely. AVee -- AMAZING BUT TRUE ... If all the salmon caught in Canada in one year were laid end

Re: GPS

rough idea of where you are is good enough to get a fast fix and we could start thinking of a more generic solution. AVee -- I always finish what I... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman

Re: Visually Impaired?

could just leave display of and increase batterylife. AVee -- Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: GSM AT command to disable/change caller ID?

for the calls you to which you are prepending it. I guess the #31# thing is some kind on common standard among GSM carriers... AVee -- Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one, but it takes a long time, and the light bulb has to really want

Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?

... AVee -- The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't. -- Douglas Adams ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Ears and FR

your ear... The dimming bit is very nice as well because it might help to save quite a bit of batterylife. AVee -- Love, love is a verb, love is a doing word. -- Massive Attack, Teardrop ___ Openmoko community mailing list community

Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation.

no problem with the content itself. Maybe someone should proofread it before it's posted. Or after it is posted, it's a wiki after all, you really should just correct any errors you find. AVee -- It isn't an optical illusion. It just looks like one

Re: Ears and FR

On Friday 18 July 2008 00:05, Hans L wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should be fairly doable if I understand the accelerometer stuff correctly. During a call the phone should be unlocked when its horizontal or vertical. Any other angle probably

Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches

. Inside my house I generally loose the fix when the SD card is stressed, not sure what will happen outside. But that's only when really hammering the card, incidental usage does not seem to affect the GPS performance in any way. AVee -- You know the great thing about TV? If something

Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

will not be tested with anything other then fat32. Does anyone here have access to official specs from the SDCard Association? It be interesting to have at least a hint about what the spec says about partitioning... AVee -- I always finish what I

Re: Setting / checking fast charge in /sys/devices/platform/whatever

resistors and allowed current (assuming other vendors use the same trick). AVee -- With clothes the new are best, with friends the old are best. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

is. after suspend/resume the card (often) is mounted to /media/mmcblk1p1 instead -- thus every attempt to read from or write to the sd card goes to the built-in memory instead. I can confirm seeing the same behaviour with a Sandisk 8GB card... AVee -- I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up

Re: Replacing the Openmoko Touchscreen

old village... AVee -- Q) Which came first, the multithreaded chicken or the multithreaded egg? A) They came at the same time, but the multithreaded chicken terminated first. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

Re: Replacing the Openmoko Touchscreen

and see what happens to your order first... AVee -- Program testing can be a very effective way to show the presence of bugs, but is hopelessly inadequate for showing their absence. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra ___ Openmoko community mailing list community

Re: Replacing the Openmoko Touchscreen

to be completing the transaction with them today. If you want to hold off purchasing until after I receive mine; I will be sure to post up the aftermath. At least that way if they are fraudulent only one of us will be out the cash ;). Any succes with this already? AVee -- Ogden's Law: The sooner

Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

by both anyway. But than again, I know nothing about marketing... AVee -- With/Without - and who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about? -- Pink Floyd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org