Re: Invitation to indicate interest in next batch of GTA04A5 boards
Well, we all value different qualities. In addition to being libre, I would really like a bigger display and battery option, and a case for it. Maybe a 4 display - maybe bigger. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v48
On 10/1/12, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Sunday, September 30, 2012 05:21:43 PM Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: I have big problems starting booting up proper. After finally attaching the debug cable, I noticed that the kernel is 3.4.0-gta04 but under /lib/modules/ there is only 2.6.34-qtmoko-v48. Do I need to first boot with 2.6.34 and then upgrade to the new kernel? It is strange that I didn't see any other reporting this problem. Have you downloaded the right tarball? The download url for GTA04 is http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/GTA04/ Thank you very much. I used the correct url, but clicked on the link on the top (for the lastest version) without noticing that the filename said it was for gta02. Sorry for the noise, and thank you for the help! Looking forward to finally test the correct image:) 2.6.34 is kernel for Freerunner (GTA02). So this looks like you have kernel for GTA04 and rootfs for GTA02. I have checked the qtmoko-debian-gta04-v48.tar.gz tarball and it looks all fine (3.5 kernel in boot, 3.5 modules in /var/lib) Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 23:43, Michael T. Dean mtd...@thirdcontact.com wrote: On 02/29/2012 05:35 AM, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: Then, we have to define a keyboard layout. QWERTY or ABCDEF. Add numeric keys or make them Num+QWERTY to save one row of keys. And to unsimplify, we need a US, a UK, a German, a French, an Italian layout and maybe Chinese, Japanese etc. This is doable by exchanging keycaps or keymats - but we have to stock and provide several different ones. Layout could be changed via software. What is actually printed on keys, does not matter much, it is changable on user side. Or just don't print it, a la http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/ . :) For me, it's the tactile feedback of a hardware keyboard I like--and I don't mean making the phone vibrate or the whole screen's clicking down or the phone's making a click sound when I hit a key, but being able to clearly /feel/ the edges of the keys so I know what key I'm hitting before I hit it and even when my finger is covering the keys. No idea if you could simulate it well enough with something like Senseg's (electro-static) haptics technology ( http://senseg.com/ + http://senseg.com/technology/senseg-technology ), but I have my doubts, and I'm sure patents and licensing costs make that a no-go, anyway. One idea to get the feeling of buttons is to use a protective film with some cuts or similar that you can feel, over the area where the virtual keyboard may appear. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Installation Service for Switzerland and other Non-EU countries
I live in Norway and could help one or two. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] Status GTA04 GroupTour
I just got an idea. Maybe it is not very good, but I will mention it anyway. Imagine if the GTA04 board could be available for different cases, so that people owning a HTC could free their devices Maybe this is not feasible, but could increase the marked if done right. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04 Group Buy - Status
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:01, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: [cut] Here, I want to add that a friendly enthusiast (who wants to stay anonymous) has spent close to 1 EUR to support the project. He just believes in the idea of an open moko. Thank you anonymous enthusiast, your are spending your money wisely:) +1 +1 Thank you very much for supporting our dream! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:47, c_ccchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Well, here's the latest bug-fix version of intone. * minor GUI changes * progress during scan * settings shows bt when streaming to bt * more tolerant streaming over bt * bt button support * previous key followed by pause key not pausing fix Enjoy! http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3334941/intone_0.61_arm.ipk intone_0.61_arm.ipk I started intone, started to play a song, paused it, switched to BT, and intone stopped responding. r...@om-gta02 /media/card $ intone Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: volume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: 0 - 255 Front Left: 235 [92%] [-10.00dB] Front Right: 235 [92%] [-10.00dB] Killed Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged MPlayer interrupted by signal 13 in module: exit_player - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen. It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't and won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible bug. Simple mixer control 'PCM',0 Capabilities: volume Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: 0 - 255 Front Left: 235 [92%] [-10.00dB] Front Right: 235 [92%] [-10.00dB] Simple mixer control 'Bass',0 Capabilities: volume volume-joined Playback channels: Mono Capture channels: Mono Limits: 0 - 15 Mono: 0 [0%] Simple mixer control 'Treble',0 Capabilities: volume volume-joined Playback channels: Mono Capture channels: Mono Limits: 0 - 15 Mono: 0 [0%] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 19:28, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, Flemming. Looking forward to your testing results. 2009/7/23 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen quat...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 09:14, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Flemming, Is it tested with SHR and intone? What about GSM calls? I like Jabra BT3030 very much and I will be very happy if they work with our beloved Neo. I didn't test it yet. I will test it and report back tomorrow. ( Feel free to bug me if I don't:D ) Sorry for the late reply. I got mplayer working with the handsfree but no luck with intone so far. Anyway I am sure it will be solved so I still recommend this handsfree. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 08:47, Flemming Richter Mikkelsenquat...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 19:28, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, Flemming. Looking forward to your testing results. 2009/7/23 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen quat...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 09:14, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Flemming, Is it tested with SHR and intone? What about GSM calls? I like Jabra BT3030 very much and I will be very happy if they work with our beloved Neo. I didn't test it yet. I will test it and report back tomorrow. ( Feel free to bug me if I don't:D ) Sorry for the late reply. I got mplayer working with the handsfree but no luck with intone so far. Anyway I am sure it will be solved so I still recommend this handsfree. This one works well with Jabra BT3030 with all buttons: http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3360899/intone intone-pre-0.62 I will update the wiki later today. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)
On 2009-07-31, OpenMitko openmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the good news. Did you try if they work for GSM calls? I am not sure how to test that but I will search the wiki this weekend and report back:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 09:14, OpenMitkoopenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Flemming, Is it tested with SHR and intone? What about GSM calls? I like Jabra BT3030 very much and I will be very happy if they work with our beloved Neo. I didn't test it yet. I will test it and report back tomorrow. ( Feel free to bug me if I don't:D ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone 0.60 Almost Stable ;-)
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 22:50, Laszlo KREKACSlaszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, The Digital Pioneerdigitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: My guess is this is caused by a blip in the signal, which is a part of bluetooth life, and usually mplayer handles it by resetting the pipe. An offtopic question: Do you have a recommendation for a good bluetooth headset? (for music listening) Better then using the headjack on the phone. I recommend Jabra BT3030 as it charge over usb, can be paired with 2 devices at once, lets you use your favourite headphones, have buttons, etc. Thank you in advance, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR as wireless mouse
You could try to submit a bug report / feature request on remoko. I assume it could be expanded:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GUI responsiveness (was Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?)
Once again I write about something I shouldn't write about at all since I don't know how it works. I could be very, very wrong here... just guessing: I got a feeling that no calculation (no effects) is faster than this optimal code. OM2008.0808 and earlier was quite fast and I think adding all kinds of effects is a step backward. No eye candy means that one could play music, etc. when scrolling. Do we really need illume? Why not something lighter with less/no visual effects, etc.? What happened with back to the basics? I don't think scalecache can make everything as smooth as the good old GTK theme, but it would be nice if I am wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: simultaneous multiple audio sources and destinations
If I understood it correctly, you can route and mix the audio as you like on the neo. I think that is why there is so many mixer settings in alsamixer. The wolfstone is very advanced. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Booting from large microSD (SDHC) [success]
I tried some SDHC cards. I created multiple partitions. The first one on 2GiB, the second one also on 2GiB and the final on the remaining free space. The problem I discovered (some time ago) was that information written to the final partition (and maybe also the second) would get corrupted very easy. When I did a rm -rf * on that partition, umounted and then mounted it again, the filenames would appear from ls. Did you test the whole cards, or did you only use the first 2GiB? -- Flemming -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB cable hacking
On 2008-08-27, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 27 August 2008, Daniel Dadap wrote: Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector, and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in operation? It's worse than that - the only UK source of mini-B plugs I've found is Maplin, and the connector only has 4 solder pads :-( They don't bother exposing the ID pin as it's so rarely used. So far as I can tell RS, Farnell, Rapid Electronics, CPC don't stock the plugs at all. Has anyone found a supplier? It's looking like I'll have to fall back on maplin plus surgery and delicate soldering... You can order them from www.elfa.se (stock # 42-710-11), but the shipment is very expensive. http://www1.elfa.se/elfa~eu_en/go.jsp?s=eu-ena=0/4778F92F724F5297E1000A0A036A/4778373A724F5297E1000A0A036A/47783DB1724F5297E1000A0A036A/47783E27724F5297E1000A0A036A ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The GTAs
I can not promise I am correct, but I think this is what have been told on ml's. On 2008-07-25, Corey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. Now that the FreeRunner is out, I'd like to discuss the GTA03 and 04. I've been listening to this list for quite some time, and have jotted down a few things about the upcoming models. Please make sure I have all of this correct. And if its correct, is it all on the Wiki? I can't find mention. thank you. ^-^ It is not on the wiki because things may still change. GTA03 Removed Glamo 3.5mm audio jack(maybe with some of Joerg's Ideas about stereo line-in) based on existing 2442 arm v4 samsung soc camera different case design than 1973/freerunner vga screen different battery different GSM modem. (I think 2G/EGDE) Yes. There will be a new 2.5G GSM module (2.5G = GSM+EDGE). Maybe this will solve the issues with newer sim cards. USB2.0-OTG Yes. OM pays a lot for this. GTA04 USB2.0 will be here at the earliest different GSM chip than FreeRunner and maybe a different PMU:) I heard something about the samsung 6400 soc. more powerful 2d acceleration than Glamo. 3D? I am not sure about the 2D/3D. I think it is just some talk - lets wait and see. It will prob. take a few years until it gets available, and then hopefully with something newer than 2.5G networks. Maybe different shape on the device. GTA04 will be a totally redesigned and improved GTA. oh, and GTA03 != Dash Express, right? a little confusion on that... thanks again GTA03 != Dash Express ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR and iPhone - how can they be compared?
Today, I read [1]. I also read [2], and it is basically the reasons there that made me buy the Freerunner some weeks ago (look at the question part). That, and that it is a cool device to hack on! (Anyway, the iPhone is big, ugly and with a low res. screen:p) The Freerunner is doing very well, being recommended by FSF, OSM, etc, and got a lot of publicity slashdot, linuxdevices.net and many other places. Also it is very nice to use as a phone. I use it as my primary phone, with OM2007.2. As soon as I get some time, I will try to write some code for it too. There are a few issues, but if there where nothing to fix, the phone would not be of any interest to me. In stead of seeing limitations, one should see potential:) That is the beauty of free software :D One simple way to make custom hardware, is to add something to the USB port, since the USB_ID pin is connected to an ADC. I bought a lot of 5 pin mini USB plugs, and inside one, you can actually fit a complete mini circuit. I have one that works as a flash light, and one for measuring humidity. I plan to put the sensor inside, once I have written some code that actually works. I also ordered a small camera, so I will try to see if it works out of the box or if some code needs to be rewritten. The camera I bought does not have the correct electrical interface, so I need to make an adapter (USB or BT). It is a wireless cam, which I will mount on my radio car:) I will add some hardware and make a simple GTK app, so I can control the car from my phone (and see the output from the cam). I hope I ever get the time to do this. [1] http://digg.com/linux_unix/5_Questions_Give_Apple_the_iPhone_Challenge_2 [2] http://static.fsf.org/dbd/iphone-action-handout.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)
On 2008-07-23, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can reproduce 2 but i won't do it again :) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02. 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It seems to turn off several seconds after the battery is removed. If the battery is replaced quickly enough, the phone doesn't turn off. While the battery is disconnected, some things still run and some seem to stop; e.g. the GPS chip stops sending NMEA sentences but continues doing so when the battery is put back. 2. When the phone is off with no battery in it, plugging the USB cable connected to a computer makes the phone emit a buzzing noise. The noise continues until the cable is disconnected. The phone won't start up in this state, not even in the NOR menu. I remember a similar issue in GTA01, but GTA02 was supposed to work without a battery. Can anybody reproduce? I also tried 2) and can confirm this. It sounds like it tries to power on, but does not have enough power. I think it is not so strange, since the charger cannot provide enough current. Remember that the PSU tries to power on everything at once, so you basically get the spikes from all the components at once. I think this was mentioned before. IIRC, the problem is that it is not possible to tell the PSU not to power on everything at the same time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 05:03, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone knows if the software patch which was done has any hooks in user space so the same procedure (shut off SD while getting FF) could be initiated manually (from a script or so)? The patch works like this: When I/O to/from the SD - turn on clocking when no I/O - turn the clocking off so... do not use the SD card in any way (umount) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
On 2008-07-18, Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Timo Jyrinki [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It seems it's not as good as without SD card, but definitely a visible improvement. Sorry for spamming, I just try to describe what I'm experiencing :) Does anyone else have a reliability problem now with the new kernel and GPS when SD card is used? I went properly outside but didn't seem to get a fix, maybe 1-2 satellites max and no fixes. I drove around a bit and nothing. I came back, then rebooted Neo and tried again - almost instant fix in ca. 30-45 seconds with 6-8 satellites in the same spot I got nothing just before reboot. So it might be worth checking if the SD card clock is properly adjusted in all needed cases, or it if might be left unchanged in some situations. When I didn't have fixes, it behaved basically as bad as before the new kernel. But when the new kernel worked as it should, it was great. If you want to test if the SD card is used, you can patch your kernel to turn on a LED when the SD clock is active and switch off the LED when it has been inactive for more than 0.3 sec. It is a good way to test. If you do not like the LED idea, you can use printk(KERN_WARNING, SD_CLK ON); whenever the SD clock is activated, and printk(KERN_WARNING, SD_CLK OFF); when it is disabled. Maybe also add a timestamp. This way, you will know if the SD card was in use when you tried to get your fix. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: samba shared access
On 2008-07-18, Giorgio M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, have anyone tried to access samba share (located in a PC connected to the same LAN as the neo) through the Freerunner (samba client or similar)? I'd like to access my music, movies, pictures and so on from the Freerunner with samba. I am not sure about samba, but NFS should work:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Timezones not used everywhere?
On 2008-07-18, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Olivier Migeot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using an un-crippled (according to the Freerunner Quickstart wiki page) GTA02, with factory image (only opkg upgraded tonight). I display a digital clock on my home screen, and it also displays the date in the bottom. For I'm living in France, I made the /etc/localtime symlink to the Europe/Paris tz (GMT +2, these days). So far so good, the time and date were both displayed correctly. And then, maybe an hour or two before midnight (I couldn't guess so I didn't check precisely, but I will next time), as hours/minutes stayed correct, the date field went wrong. Well, not exactly wrong, but tomorrow. Like few hours too soon. Sounds to me like the date field is using universal time when it should not, but I can be wrong. Any idea/insight on this? Thanks alot... I hope it was clear, for it's already time to sleep here. Does openmoko get any time/date information from the cell towers? With previous phones I have owned, I don't remember ever having to set a timezone. And when traveling across timezones, it seems to automatically pick up the change from the cell phone towers. Is there a way we can make openmoko retrieve this information itself, so it never requires any manual configuration? We can detect the network and look it up in a list and map it to a country:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)
On 2008-07-18, Thomas Seiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What's the advantage of enabling the charger? Well without it literally it won't charge the battery from USB power. It's fine to enable it except when it notices there is no battery there for some reason. Question: Would it help to query the ADC and check for some battery voltage prior to enabling the charger help to keep the Freerunner switched on in this case? No. We need the battery to power on, and then the ADC check would let us enable the charger. What we need to do, is detect when the battery is removed, and then disable the charger until a battery is reinserted ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS problems, summary
On 2008-07-16, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Yorick Moko: no fault or wrong conclusion but I just want to add that Andy also made a patch to crank up the voltage a bit for the GPS unit Yep, but this one didn't help at all it seems. One flaw in OP's summary: the recent andy-sd_clock-patch doesn't block sd-card for benefit of GPS FF. It simply switches off clock of sdcard as long as we don't read from it (or write). So you still can spoil TTFF by *constantly* reading from SDcard, but GPS seems to be fine as long as you don't do this. Stopping sd-access during TTFF is a userland issue. Kernel mustn't block sd-reads for extended periods, we might see all kinds of deadlocks if we did it this way. For sure answering an inbound call is higher priority than shortest possible time for this particular FF, no? So maybe you have your ringtones on sd. U see? rootfs on sdcard might be an issue, we (community?) should give this one a test I think the Freerunner has enough RAM to actually make that possible (ringtones and etc. may be stored in tmpfs) :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
On 2008-07-15, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Jonathan Spooner: [...] Perhaps those complaining are those who can least afford to blow $399. That's why I say I don't like those people. They never noticed the bug, and when we are about to discuss it and to offer a solution they start whining. OOOh, the BAD bug. If only I never had bought... Instead of plain asking what we're going to do to MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY again. (what we are already about to do!) /jOERG This GPS problem shows a lot about the community vs openmoko. Some try to help (developers?) Some complain (regular users?) But what is really amazing is that a fix is almost ready right after the problem was addressed:) People with a working GPS without SD card, will soon have a working GPS no matter what. They should be extremely happy, not complain. On some phones, the GPS does not work without the SD card and I am afraid there will be no software work-around for that. The good thing is that this HW bug is only on a few of the phones. I respect Openmoko and I know they do their very best to solve these issues. It is better to let them work with solutions than to complain. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Protective rubber
A few weeks ago, I came across this pictures: http://www.openmoko.com/opportunities-universities-update.html Is this only a drawing or can it be ordered from somewhere? We are a local group of more than 40 members, and most of us would like one of these. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: incorrect shipment type?
On 2008-07-11, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Sorry for distracting you away from playing with FRs, but wanted to share experience our bulk order (order #2267) is going through: although we ordered it with 2nd-day air it got shipped Ground, thus instead of 2 days we have to expect it in 1 week. I am not sure if anything could be done at this point, although seller could utilize UPS delivery intercept http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/tracking/help/delivery/delivery_intercept.html?WT.svl=SubNav and just make package go back to warehouse, meanwhile sending us our loong-awaited FRs with 2nd day air as it was requested. But humans @ FIC are overwhelmed now thus not replying to any inquiries on the phone or email. sad sad ... Don't you overreact? I think a few extra days will not kill you. I understand you want them ASAP, but it is prob. too late to change anything now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: incorrect shipment type?
On 2008-07-15, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 2008-07-11, Yaroslav Halchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we ordered it with 2nd-day air it got shipped Ground, thus instead of 2 days we have to expect it in 1 week. Don't you overreact? I think a few extra days will not kill you. I understand you want them ASAP, but it is prob. too late to change anything now. There's also the matter of being *charged* for 2nd day air shipment and getting ground shipment... and getting the shipping difference refunded. Yes. That is true. Express shipment is expensive. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: humor
http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions about GTA03
On 2008-06-27, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have understood from past ML, the GTA03 will be the enhanced vers of FreeRunner. I think a lot of undecided people like me would like clarification about what the GTA03 might be. Very fast and simple questions: -do we have a rough estimation for when the GTA03 will be out? Some guess it will be out around Christmas. -the issue with slow bus for Glamo is gonna be resolved by changing the bus or eliminating the Glamo? Yes:) -will usb still be 1.1? Yes -will the price be different? If it is gonna change, some kind of estimation would be nice. Also, if there are important things I'm missing reply and add, thanks :) There will be minimal changes: - new battery - new GSM module which supports EDGE - mini jack instead of micro jack - no glamo - much better for video playback, etc. - new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus) - the rest of the phone will stay unchanged in order to save costs. All this information has at some point been written on the mailing list. It is important to say that THINGS CHANGE FAST. So there is no garatee that this is correct. It was only ideas, but I guess they are very likely to be true. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions about GTA03
On 2008-06-27, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lol, xmas is too far away :D I'm gonna buy this one I think... Hopefully the Glamo will allow for media to stream regularly, they would have removed there was no way to have a 25 FPS video I think. Actually, video will go better without the glamo because the bus will be faster. Anyway, 2D works well with the glamo and the chip is not that bad. Some pros. with having the glamo: - HW scaling and 2D rotation (this is cool) - 2D acceleration (this is also cool) Some cons.: - Power (80mW?) - Bus limit - Not open (e.g. no 3D, etc) So if you do not want to view a lot of videos, the glamo is a good thing (fast zooming of web pages, etc). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: humor
On 2008-06-27, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://xkcd.org/440/ describes a use case for the neo:) Is it possible to use the WiFi in the FreeRunner as an access point? I think the WiFi chip does not support AP mode. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let us impact the material world
On 2008-06-27, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Whenever I talk publicly about Openmoko, or so it seems, the following question is asked: How can you compete again the giants of this industry? For most of us, I'd like to think, the answer is obvious. Instead of answering, I usually return their question: How can they compete against us? [snap] You really know how to express yourself:) I cannot see how other phone companies can be compared. What I like so much about Openmoko, is that I am a part of it - that it is (also) my project. Openmoko will have success because they work very much for it. The community will help making the software and come up with ideas (by nagging or spamming the mailing list :) and you will take the best ideas and make them real. Keep making attractive hardware and the community will grow and make the software needed:) I hope Openmoko will be big enough to be able to force the hardware manufactures into GPL. Maybe they realize that GPL is not that bad, and that propritary drivers is far more expensive (in support for all their customers). We are all living on the same dream: the freedom to use the hardware we own in the way we want. Openmoko is making that dream come true. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide
It looks very nice! Great job:) On 2008-06-26, BrendaWang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the getting start guide from wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Shakthi Kannan 提到: Hi! --- On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | One comment on Chapter 7: | Currently, the utility dfu_util is only provided for Linux. Support for | dfu_util under Windows and Macintosh will be provided at a later date. | | That is not accurate (at least for OSX). See: | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X | There is also an Openmoko Flasher tool for the Macintosh since August 2007. \-- Thanks! Updated the documentation. The wiki documentation is comprehensive, and I feel just pointers to links and necessary documentation to get people started should be kept in this Quick Start User Guide. The User Manual can contain the complete documentation available in the wiki. Just my thoughts, SK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR with embedded projector and LASER keyboard
http://koolu.com/WE-Phone/GET-YOUR-FREE-W.E.-SMART-PHONE.html The current generation of the phone does not include the laser keyboard or built in projector. The Laser keyboard is sold separatey. The next generation of the phone will incorporate the laser keyboard and tiny LED projector built in. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide
On 2008-06-26, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arne: you mean, one can flash the om from an sd card, too? or after booting up from sd card as described above one still needs to connect to a computer? Yes, direct flash from SD card without USB. that's pretty nice -- though i cannot imagine how one would corrupt one's om into the need of reflashing while on the road :-) Well, lets say you don't have a computer. You could then still update u-boot:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vote! Zimbra Mobile on the Openmoko
On 2008-06-24, Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I'd like to bring this poll to your attention: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/zimbrame-j2me-client/12642-vote-phones-zimbra-j2me-client.html For those that don't know, Zimbra is an awesome email/collaboration suite, they're asking for people to vote on the next mobile platform that their client will be released on. Zimbra on a FreeRunner would be a Blackberry killer. I've put up a short blog post here: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080623 I have a few doubts: 1. Is this FLOSS ? I think it is not FLOSS:( 2. Can't we have anything less CPU hungry than java ? I hope there will be many alternatives. Voting for this will only increase the amount of available apps for the FR. It will not make it the default mail client. Also, voting for this, will make more people aware of OM and more people = more developers = more alternatives:) I do not want J2ME on my phone and I do not want to run anything except FOSS on it. Still, I think voting will not hurt. A popular phone is a phone which brings freedom and opportunities to its users. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can the Freerunner now be charged with 1 or with 2 Amp ?
On 2008-06-24, kazaam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm a bit confused. I thought the max. would be 1 Amp the Freerunner can be charged. But on pulster.de which are selling the offical usb-charger for the freerunner is written that it can be charged with 2 Amp: http://pulster.de/d__omnetz__Openmoko_Freerunner_Netzteil993.htm . What's now the correct value? The charger can provide 2A. The FR can charge in slow mode (100mA), normal mode (500mA) and fast charge (750mA? and 1A). I never read anything about charging with 2A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: humor
http://www.xkcd.com/433/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner Group Purchases - USA
On 2008-06-23, Seattle Web Creations, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen any information regarding the details of how the groups are to make the purchases of the Neo Freerunner. I've been told by someone in the #openmoko IRC channel that there is currently or that there will be an actual distributor in the USA for the 10 pack purchases. Is this true? Openmoko will distribute around the US. I am not sure if there will be any extra distributors there. Also, I've yet to see any information pertaining to the preferred method of purchasing by groups. I assume that they/we must make our own arrangements, entrusting 1 individual to make the purchase? One person must make the order (and pay). One last question is – is the ordering (in the USA) going to be available once the Freerunners are already stateside or is it going to be required that the orders are placed before they actually ship? The Freerunners are expected to arrive to Freemount by the 1. of July. The web shop will open 4th July. This was posted by Steve a week ago. Myself and others would greatly appreciate any information! -- Gino O'Donnell / Director Seattle Web Creations, LLC -=Flemming=- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: moko running everything as root
When I think about it, I realize that it is important that the device is secure to use on a network. Someday the Openmoko devices will support stuff like flash, java, java script and much more. When this device connects to the Internet, and the client on the device runs as an unprivileged user, the security risks are dramatically reduced. The users data can be devided into two categories: normal and sensitive. The sensitive data can be protected in some way (only accessable to the superuser or on an encrypted place). What about the 4 users model: root: - only for root stuff superuser: - for accessing sensitive/personal data - may be encrypted normal: - the normal user mode nobody: - restricted - cannot run sudo - can not do any harm to the system - no direct hardware access - can not access sensitive data - should be used for untrusted things (games network) If the device owner wants less security, it is just to log in as superuser or even root. With this kind of setup, the freedom of choice belongs to the user. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: moko running everything as root
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 9:15 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, let's say we disagree in the classification of the om -- i think it's a very powerfull mobile computer and thus should follow basically the same idea of security. the user's data can be backed up and thus restored if compromised or destroyed. the system itself may causes severe loss of money if compromised: sending sms, calling those value-added numbers (what's the proper term in english?), creating internet connections (and maybe sending spam). accessing your pc if you connect to it to sync or so may corrupt your computer (take a known vulnerabilty, create an exploit and put it on the om -- if connected to your pc it could infiltrate). imho the om does not match the criteria of mobile world you're applying -- but that's just it: my opinion. maybe it changes once i get my paws on a real freerunner ;-) On my laptop, I can choose if I want to run SE Linux or not. I think that the at least one image should run default with a non-root user and everything in /etc/sudoers. This way, people can uncomment inside that file and apply the security they like. The reason is that some people will use it as a phone, while other people might even use it without a sim. That means we may need different security policies. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: moko running everything as root
On 6/13/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Nijs wrote: no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good luck!. there is reality - and you can sit and hack away spend lots of time and get 1 case to work, and work well. as i said - it will depend on codec, bitrate, quality etc. mpeg4 decode in hw is great - but remember it is also limiting to just mp4 - all your mpeg1, ogg, etc. videos will not work. also as long as mplayer is accessing glamo hardware it must run as root. admittedly we run everything as root - but come the day when we don't... this is trouble. Hi. Can someone clear up for me why everything runs as root? When I heard the iPhone ran everything as root I kinda sneered at it but now I can't be so smug. What are the engineering reasons for this? The reason is that the user normally wants to run a lot of root applications such as rdate, power off, opkg, etc. Of course this should be solved, but it should not be a top priority. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On 6/12/08, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I want it half the size:) A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size, why not just buy an eeepc? As the resident Devil's Advocate, I agree here. Lemme state this - I paid for a 1973 and Openmoko Inc. sent me a Freerunner to review the software progress. The next phone I spend my money on will have 3G (or better). If 03 isn't that device, simply ignore my post. :) I understand you very well:) There will most likely not be 3G in GTA03, but hopefully in GTA04. I never had a GTA01, so I buy GTA02 now, and upgrade when the 3G capable device is ready. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
docking station/game pad
Just found this. http://brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01384dept_id=057cat_id=299 -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko official resell partners
On 6/11/08, Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Tsai wrote: UK TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk Mr. Rob wood £272 delivered to anywhere in the UK... http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/015080.html says it's $399, from the US presumably. At the current exchange rate that's £203... I think I can get it shipped across from the US for less than £70 If that price include VAT, it is not that bad. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
On 6/10/08, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ortwin Regel wrote: There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution (obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but size! If the GTA03 get's a new case design, please consider making the screen twice as big! Then we are finally at a size were two-thumb-typing starts to make sense and even people with bad eye sight can benefit from the high resolution (although I'm not convinced that second point is a positive one... _). The device wouldn't even have to be bigger for this because so much space was wasted in the original Neo design. The only handheld I have owned where the screen could be called big enough was the Tapwave Zodiac (RIP). If you shave off the gaming controls and make it a little thicker, you get a very decent phone. Also, I suggest concentrating more on the horizontal usage. For example, bring the stereo speakers back but add one below and one above the display so that they are left and right in landscape. You can get a pretty good stereo effect at that distance. And I want it half the size:) A tiny, nice phone with QVGA, not a notebook. If you want the double size, why not just buy an eeepc? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comparing Apples and Oranges $199 iPhone Freerunner GTA02
On 6/10/08, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] the two smart phones are aprox equal on -- wi-fi But with limited usability on iPhone -- accelerometer But with limited usability on iPhone -- bluetooth But with limited usability on iPhone E.g. you cannot use VoIP with iPhone, etc, etc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:10:22 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 6/9/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font - possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though. How can u separate @, #, $, S, %, æ, ø, o, etc, when only using 3 pixels? 5 pix + 1 pix space is a minimum for good reading, unless some chars take more space than others. you make little shapeless blobs of the chars :) you can tell the difference (though it's a terminal - if you start going into intl. chars like æ etc. imho you are exiting the vt100 world - you could argue that you can't read 魚 in a 3 pixel (+ 1 space) font either... so i draw the line at basic ascii for a terminal. Well, 'æ' can be converted to 'ae' :) nb - your chars just become tall (3x7). eg: % # # # # # S ## # # # ## s ## ## ## ## $ # ## ## # ## ## # @ ## # # ### ### ### # ## # # # # # ### # # ### # # # # o # # # # # # Thanks:) I tried to zoom this down (font size 4) and it was not that bad. But I think this needs a little getting used to. Anyway, I am not against QVGA as long as this can increase the battery time and decrease the phone size over time (to something no bigger than a credit card:). So everyone has their own idea of how it should be. This is good, but not every wishes can come true. But please have a look at the neonode [1]. It runs windows mobile. It is terrible as it suffers with a lot of bugs, but looks cool on the video. It has a 2,0 LCD @ 176x220 pixels. [1] http://www.neonode.com/en-us/products/n2/introduction/watch-the-video/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:01:03 +0530 rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: as i have said before - gta03 is vga - as it stands, but can go to qvga easily, but is unlikely to. in the future who knows. it'd be a tradeoff of screen pixel count vs processor speed vs any graphics acceleration we can get - if any. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Carsten, There was a WQVGA screen you once mentioned on the IRC and said you liked a lot for the GTA04 screen. I can't remember the specs right now but do you remember which one it was? 3 480x272. it's thinner than the current vga 2.8 by a fair bit and a tiny bit longer (as it is wide). it seems almost the perfect screen for a smaller/slimmer model like gta04/05 etc. same # of pixels as the PSP screen, but in a much smaller space. Nice! So the phones will be smaller:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
On 6/10/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:53:49 +0300 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font - possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though. That is unusable. I'm sorry, I will not force myself to use that. I will buy something else. Using the terminal on a remote machine with a 4 pixels font is possibile like it is possible to eat cockroaches for lunch everyday. There are some 'can get by' that I will not force myself to get by with. have you done it? have you tried it? i have. it works ok. not beautiful - but definitely functional. No, I haven't. Could you post a screenshot of how it looks? Maybe if I see it I can be convinced, I'm at least that open minded. can't as i did it years ago on my ipaq. but it's the same font as here: http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/Tech/x11fonts.html see the 4x8 font at the top. bdf downloadable and usable. Wow! That is amazing! Now I am 100% convinced that QVGA is not that bad:) I could read it without any problems. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
On 6/9/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font - possible (3 pixels for text, 1 for space). not very nice though. How can u separate @, #, $, S, %, æ, ø, o, etc, when only using 3 pixels? 5 pix + 1 pix space is a minimum for good reading, unless some chars take more space than others. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder
On 6/9/08, Chris Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Though if people want a stylus holder, how hard would it be to design one that clips onto a Freerunner? Normal cable clips? http://www.euroffice.co.uk/_image/item/_large/145723_0.jpg http://www.skandia.com.au/images/059es.jpg http://www.zipper-technik.de/bilder/sb.serie.gif http://www.internet-stationers.co.uk/Shop/istationers_shop/images/BL12601.jpg But I prefer attaching it to a wire which is mounted in the phone. That way, it will be faster available:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
transflective QVGA
Sanyo Epson Transflective LTPS LCD display : Sanyo Epson Imaging Devices Corporation (Sanyo Epson) announced the development of a 2.8-inch transflective low-temperature polysilicon liquid-crystal display (LCD) with pixel-integrated RAM that offers low power consumption. http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/7/sanyo_epson_lcd_display/ And I guess they are not alone. It will be a long time until the price makes any sense, but it is nice technology:) Maybe something for GTA05. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is case design changing for GTA03?
On 6/9/08, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/9 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: With a modular design like that, then you could have one device shipped out with many configurations possible. You could then buy the external case for playing games, one with a keyboard, etc. That would really set it appart. So how about thinking of th 03 and onward in such a modular way? Oh, my vote is for usb. I would also vote for a USB connection. Easier to set up, and the peripheral can take power from the phone. It is good that the Y cable is invented:) I hope a case like this will be available! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:57 AM, polz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO, if the 320x240 display is readable under bright sunlight, it might be a better choice than the VGA display used in the GTA01. With the current display, the phone looks great inside a building / conference hall / photo studio, but it's pretty much useless as a GPS device you'd want to use when you're outside. Before releasing a phone for the general public, pleasepleaseplease use it as your only phone for a week or so. Otherwise, the negative reaction from the press might cost you your reputation. Full ACK! Trasflective QVGA is better ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping details
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Simon Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, I am not Steve. Not even close (not ) Firstly i would like to thank you and everyone at Openmoko for being so open about the production process. As one who has been involved with the design, manufacture and sales of electronic products for many years i know how complex and frustrating it is to get product out the door, with Murphy's law waiting at every turn! It is a real breath of fresh air, especially in an industry which is getting more and more closed and hard to deal with unless you are talking in 100K+ quantities. Now back to some of those frustrating details. So we can finalise our group buy details could you please enlighten us on the following. What courier companies/the postal service and shipping options (express versus normal etc) will you be using to ship the phones (only UPS or others as well?) This info will be available in the shop. There you can select TRIsoft and OM a.o. and the shipping price will be available. Will you be offering the option of having the shipments insured? Do you know how much the insurance will cost. I can't find much information on the UPS web site on insurance. UPS takes 1% of the insured value if the shipment is insured. (DHL take 2%) What payment options will you have. At least Visa and not paypal, iirc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: resolution preferences??
On 6/6/08, NeilBrown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, June 6, 2008 3:39 pm, Carsten Haitzler wrote: we can just drive the vga screen at qvga. no need for scaling - just change the output at the lcd controller level. but it is a waste to pay for a vga screen when we won't use it. also it does look blocky. it isn't about glamo or not - it's separate to glamo entirely. simply - how important is a vga screen... really? how many people out there can really see the difference? be really honest. stop thinking my specs are bigger than your specs. scan u REALLY see all the pixels on a vga screen of that size. i bet to most people its all a blur - a qvga screen looks identical to them. only to a minority who have very good eyesight does it really make a difference, but this is just my bet. i'm asking the question - and hoping for real honest answers. Well, it's hard to know without having an actual device to look at, but I'll try My notebook has a 15 inch 1920x1200 monitor which comes to 147dpi. The Freerunner is 285dpi, the pixels are very close to half the width/ height of my pixels. So at first I thought wow, that's tiny. I don't think I need them *that* small - and I have better than average eye sight. Then I resized my browser to 640x480 and found I could read it quite well, though lots of web pages don't quite fit. I took a screenshot of the window and displayed it at 50% in the GIMP. So presumably that is how the image could look on the Freerunner. No. Now you need to zoom 2x. Then compare the original with this. They should occupy the same amount of space on your screen, but the QVGA should only have half the pixels. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debug Board v3 (GTA02) now available
On 6/6/08, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello community, may I add that I have the debug board now in my shop: http://www.pulster.de/engl/ index.html?d__omdebug__Openmoko_Debug_Board_Version_v3747.htm It's version 3 belonging to GTA02 Freerunner... EUR 149.00 Are you sure that that's not misprint? (Just a bit bigger extra charge when comparing with Freerunner, afaicu) Hi, I don't think that is an error: also if Openmoko sell it at 99$, it must to arrive in europe, than you must to add VAT (20% ?) that you have to add environmental taxes, and to add warranty (1 year at least). So is very possible it cost so. And in every case it cost less that all the debug board I never saw :) Do not confuse USD with EUR. $99 == €61 €149 == $238 -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
On 6/6/08, Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 06 June 2008 09:45:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote: the problem is - if you have a nice screen but the engine to power it is underpowered, you will suffer from complaints of it just being slow then instead. I'd like to wave the little please can we have a decent SoC flag again. Yes, the CPU is too slow to drive VGA... but don't fix the problem by putting a lower-spec LCD in, fix the _real_ issue - The CPU is too slooow! I assume you're concidering a new LCD for the GTA03? Fine, but if you're going for a revamp on the GTA04, stick the VGA display back in and give us (well, sell us) a SoC with some real graphics grunt. And I'm not talking about the Samsung s3c6400 - it is still way too underpowered. Maybe s3c6410 which seems to have a programmable 3D pipeline Go on, you know you want to... Pixel shaders... Compiz on a phone... windows which cast real, pixel-perfect soft shadows... Think what we could do with it! An entirely clutter (http://www.clutter-project.org/blog/) based UI! It's _worth_ a binary blob driver. Who knows, maybe samsung will even let you write an open source driver? (Don't think the s3c6410's 3D core is a PowerVR, seems to be something different?) That was what I hoped for when I desided to not buy GTA01 and wait for GTA02. If it was me, I would: Create an amazing phone (GTA04) - price is less important. People would still buy if the hardware is good enough, and people spend increasingly amounts of money on their phones. Add 3g and make sure it can do quad band GSM. Also make sure it can play videos fast. Maybe integrate a low MEMS camera and a little flash light. Consider a transflective VGA LCM. Also create a low price phone. One with only the basic HW and a QVGA, but no wifi, but with an inexpensive MEMS camera. When it comes to GTA03, I will not buy one (because I buy the GTA02), so I will not be the target. Maybe QVGA is a good solution, or maybe it should be an option when you buy -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder
On 6/6/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller you crack me up. (vi rules.) We need a religious war between the Digitii, the Stylii, and Quertii. Or three products? Rant away. Your views are always welcome. Stylus:) I hate those big keypads and I need to use the terminal a lot ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo
On 6/5/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 05 June 2008 18:05:47 Mark wrote: Robert Schuster theBohemian at gmx.net wrote on Tue Jun 3 18:10:18 CEST 2008 Hi. flexd schrieb: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh lally.singh at gmail.com babbled: the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an interest :) To be honest, (i myself do not really care if the drivers are open or not, i do not have the require level of geekyness to change them :p) i couldnt care less if the drivers are open or not. There are many reasons to have FOSS drivers. The ability for non-kernel non-gfx people to change them is very low priority. But the kernel and gfx people care much more. Aslong as we/someone could run a opensource OS on it, such as OM, i'd love it! Yeah and for this a free/open driver is a precondition. Regards Robert If that were true, the Neo/Freerunner wouldn't exist. It's quite obvious that for the foreseeable future some compromises are unavoidable if you want a usable, worthwhile device. Not at all obvious to me. :M: I agree with Michael. The only reason I want a Freerunner, is because it is open. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will be shipped with FreeRunner?
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello What is going to be shipped with the FreeRunner, in single and 10 packs Are the headset in the box? If you check the mailing list you will find out that the headset, stylus and neo punch is not part of the box. They will be shipped first groups (10 packs). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: screen protector
On 5/29/08, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: If anybody feels the need to use a screen protector, I just tried one called NavProtector that I got for a few bucks on eBay, and it fits nicely (cut about 1mm shorter than the screen, so check before you stick! and maybe center it). Good. I've already asked on this list [1] about the real screen size of the Freerunner (better if in mm) to get a Brando one (I've heard they're the best ones), but I got no answer. :( I want a film with life time warranty, which I can take off and clean. A simple googling for screen protector gave me a lot of options. I know that a long lasting, high quality protective film is thicker than the cheaper ones. This make me worry that they might not have a good conductivity, which is nessecary since the Freerunner has a resistive touch screen. For this reason, I think it would be useful to ask people that have tested such films, how they actually work. Assuming that GTA02 uses the same touch screen as GTA01, I think there must be someone that has tried this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: screen protector
On 5/30/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | the cheaper ones. This make me worry that they might not have a | good conductivity, which is nessecary since the Freerunner has a | resistive touch screen. I don't think this is a worry, I just tried it through three sheets of A4 paper, it's fine. The resistive part is on the inside of the film, not the outside. - -Andy Thanks, Andy. Then I will just order a few samples and report back which ones I prefer. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm
On 5/30/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi community! A short poll: on a future GTA0x (2), would you prefer to have A) standard 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a cheap adapter if you want to use your old headphones, (the way like it's for GTA01/02) or B) classic 3.5mm headphones Walkman(R) connector, where you have to DIY an adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm headSET standards or adapters?) please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks cheers jOERG Openmoko-HW-development A!!! And please also provide the adapter:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
On 5/28/08, einstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner every 30min to check the state of the device. I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many opertunitys for more standby time. So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is over. Great job. Can you say what the reasons are for the improved time? Was the system running at 400 MHz at all time? Which image did you use? Keep up the good work:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: screen protector
On 5/29/08, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: If anybody feels the need to use a screen protector, I just tried one called NavProtector that I got for a few bucks on eBay, and it fits nicely (cut about 1mm shorter than the screen, so check before you stick! and maybe center it). Good. I've already asked on this list [1] about the real screen size of the Freerunner (better if in mm) to get a Brando one (I've heard they're the best ones), but I got no answer. :( Anyway I don't exactly know the size of the Freerunner LCD; I've heard it's 46mm x 61mm, right? Please you or any FR owner could help me? I'd like to buy one before than the phone itself :P I got this info from the wiki [1]: LCD Module (LCM) Resistance type touch panel. 2.8 diagonal (1.7 x 2.27 - 43mm x 58mm) Outline Dimension [2]: 43.2mm x 63.3mm x 1.9mm [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware [2] http://www.tpo.biz/ENG/business-eng/Activer-Matrix-VGA.htm ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)
On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct thing. Just a comment on what I wrote: I think people should use what they like, but that if anything should be official, it should be GTK+. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep
On 3/12/07, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Ole Tange napisał(a): If you are woken during periods of light sleep then you will feel more rested than if you are woken during deep sleep. To reliably identify when you are sleeping lightly we will need EEG. In a real life scenario that is not possible and it may be OK if the identification is not completely reliable. If we assume that you are more noisy (e.g. turning in you sleep) then we can use the noise level as indicator. I like the idea very much. I though about it a week ago! :-) You must know (and probably do about REM) the thing is, that the cycle with deep and shallow sleep takes about 1,5h. Optimal solution is to sleep during multiplies of 1,5h then you will wake up during shallow sleep and be more rested. My idea was to observe (by sounds and/or vision) sleeping person to guess when he/she fallen asleep. Then the 1,5h counter begins. Idea with ranges is awesome. I think a combination of this and controlling an external light source could manage to wake me up. No matter how loud the sound is, I would just continue to sleep... ignoring the alarm. I hope this sleep pattern detection is possible. If not, a mechanical lift under the top of the bed would help (lifting the bed up to 80 deg so you get on your feat), but I can't afford it. I hope there is somebody that can write an app for sleep state detection:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi michele Michele Renda wrote: For openmok there is no difference, except than to pay x9 more payment fee. i beg to differ. the whole handling would make the gain of readily packaging 10-packs and ship these en bloc to one dest. vanish. so larry is right. thats like requesting 10% generic discount the whole point of it is: we are no escrow company, we are no bank, we are not paypal. we build the free and open mobile phone. and we want to focus on that. I agree with Joachim. And one tips on how to solve this with payment. The person ordering the 10-pack could make a simple contract for payment delivery of the phone. Then people could pay and as long as they can prove they payed, it would be up to the hub person to prove he sent the phone. The contract must include payment shipping details. I will make a group order and have this kind of contract with some, because I do not have enough cash to order 22 phones ++. I think OM should just provide the 10-pack deal or the single phone deal. If people do not trust each other, then they order a single phone and get no quantum discount. This is not OM's problem. Please let OM do their job with developing the phone. They are not a shippinginsurance company. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Gilbert Hartmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Michele Renda wrote: | For openmok there is no difference, except than to pay x9 more payment fee. | i beg to differ. the whole handling would make the gain of readily | packaging 10-packs and ship these en bloc to one dest. vanish. | so larry is right. thats like requesting 10% generic discount | | the whole point of it is: we are no escrow company, we are no bank, we | are not paypal. | we build the free and open mobile phone. | and we want to focus on that. | | I agree with Joachim. | | And one tips on how to solve this with payment. The person ordering | the 10-pack could | make a simple contract for payment delivery of the phone. Then | people could pay | and as long as they can prove they payed, it would be up to the hub | person to prove | he sent the phone. The contract must include payment shipping details. | | I will make a group order and have this kind of contract with some, | because I do not | have enough cash to order 22 phones ++. | | I think OM should just provide the 10-pack deal or the single phone | deal. If people do | not trust each other, then they order a single phone and get no | quantum discount. | This is not OM's problem. Please let OM do their job with developing | the phone. They | are not a shippinginsurance company. | I think the request was for Openmoko to let 10 people pay separately, but still ship one package out. This solves half the trust issue people may have (namely, the money half) as well as the issue where someone has to have at least $3700 around in order to place the order. My understanding was that there would still be one shipment, and that there would still be trust issues with whomever received the package, but there's still the community building aspect and such. Please do not ask for this. It would give OM so much extra work. The reason for the 10-pack deal is that since it saves OM time and money, we get a discount. If you want OM to handle individual payments for group orders, they would have much work with arranging this (deadline for when all in the group must have payed, group_order_id to identify to which group you pay, etc) I already told you that you can write a CONTRACT between YOU and the HUB person. That will GARANTE you the PHONE OR MONEY BACK! Please, instead of complaining, write this contract and maybe share it with others. OM has already given us a very low price. I do not believe the price on the phone covers all the expenses they have, so do not ask for a general 10% discount. Please order a single phone if you have so much problems with a group order. (I write this because I also want to buy a GTA04. I just want the open phones and I don't understand why people complain about everything all the time) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
There is no need to use this tone. I already apologize about my idea. It was only an idea. I was not knowing that it was so difficult and so expensive for Openmoko. Also I want a GTA04, and also I want that OM employers are focused only in their work. Sorry It was only an idea to improve Freerunner sales, it was not to have my 10% discount. It was more to save some expedition fees, that for me that I live in Europe will be a bit big. I know, I live in Europe too. I really recommend the contract thing. So, please learn to understand mail that are a complain from mail that are ideas. It was only an idea. It will avoid a lot of flames, that I think is the last thing we need. I just wanted to kill this idea right from the start, so we avoid having 273 mails about it. As you say, you only wrote an idea, and I should not attack you. I am sorry for that. I still want to kill your idea (but I think I did). -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
| And according me Openmoko is doing in hardware what Linux made in | software! And it is great. Same feeling here!!! OM is doing some very important things. The thing which is most important to me, is if they can make all HW producers write their drivers in GPL and provide all the specification needed for any usage of their HW. I really want a Linux enabled phone powered by FOSS. OM are helping me by providing HW and FOSS SW that works together. It is our job to port OM to other devices (such as Neonode N2) and to write good SW. There is pros and cons by being open and supporting everything and the negative parts are: - codecs must be run in SW because of the lack of HW to handle all open codecs. This could be solved with a FPGA, but that is added cost. I hope we get a FPGA in the future (they can be run time flashed in 1 micro sec for the codec the SW needs and this can be automated). - very limited amounts of chips available with open specs. - etc, etc -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
I use vim, and it is the best IDE I have ever used:) (My point is that it is impossible to get people to agree on one IDE, since we all have different taste and needs) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Software
On 5/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 7. Mai 2008 schrieb David Samblas Martinez: And why not implement a execute command option in the PIM Task Manager(Schedule)? If the neo will be able to wake up to play a sound and/or buzz, I suppose it can execute a shell command and sleep again when finished. The interesting bit of this is to distinguish between dates that just had wake up the device, so we may go to sleep again immediately after execution, and dates that happen to be executed while user intentionally switched on the device already so we mustn't go to sleep afterwards. I got one idea. We know how the phone powered up (by button, charger or rtc). If the phone powered up by rtc (/proc/cmdline) and time_until_next_task min_interval then suspend;) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
On 5/6/08, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman said, it's a phone. nickd wrote: bear in mind it's only usb 1.0 -nick Seriously, though. Connect the USB 2 webcam-on-a-stick to your PC. It'll do a better job of driving the large display anyway. Get a wireless camera that can be connected directly to your projector:) Hmm... the LCD on the Freerunner is VGA... maybe it is possible to split the signal to the display to a VGA out and create a driver... I have a feeling this will not work:( -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
On 5/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 7. Mai 2008 schrieb Flemming Richter Mikkelsen: Hmm... the LCD on the Freerunner is VGA... maybe it is possible to split the signal to the display to a VGA out and create a driver... I have a feeling this will not work:( Hmmm, we got HSync, VSync, a pretty much standard framerate, you just had to convert the 5-6-5 databits by 3 DA-converters (maybe R-2R for the cheap solution) to form RGB. Some level shifting, attenuating, maybe inverting, should be pretty much feasible Great. If you really want to do that, ask me for details of the FPC-cable signals and pins, to build your own LCM that plugs to the PCB-connector instead of the NEO one. Thank you! That is very kind of you. I will ask you if I ever want to do that:) (My second idea is to simply create a BT2VGA adapter. I will try this first. It will only be usable for still images, but it would be just for fun. But first I need some time...) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
On 5/6/08, Clinton Ebadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But are there any that use VNC? It looks like at least that device uses an evil proprietary program making it useless for what people seem to want to do here. Also it would be nice that it is so small that you can have it in your pocket, and connects wireless to your Freerunner and accepts some open formats so we don't need to put a lot of effort into developing a driver. But thanks for all the suggestions:) I didn't think it existed. My idea of the BT adapter was to make something simple and small for $15. I really think it is possible, but I rather buy something. Maybe I just buy a micro projector instead... but they are a bit expensive. Anyway, it is not something I really need right away, so I would have the time to make my BT2VGA which could give me around 1fps -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
On 5/5/08, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm.. 2% failure? That's a bit high, no? Does the pcb have some issues? I think 2% is very low. Remember it is a MP. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04::HW::input::joystick - MPU/MCU saves power and provides extra I/O
Hello. Will [1] (or [2] if [1] is not possible) be considered for GTA04? It is really useful for navigation and fast writing (dasher ([3])) and fast navigation. With [1] or [2], a stylus would never be needed:) If it will not be added, will there be enough free and available GPIO pins so that we may add it our self? I think that many people have different plans (e.g. [4]) and that enough free and available GPIO pins would be nice. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Analog_Joystick [2] a 5 (4 sides + center) buttons joystick (digital) [3] http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ [4] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Digital_gaming I am sure that the people at OM don't like to add extra parts just for fun, but maybe they do add [1] or [2] if really many of us really want it. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
On 4/30/08, Christoph Witzany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would very much like to participate at such a project (or even kick it off ftm), as my the plans for my PhD work include creating a service that would fulfill an important part of this: The transparent storage of data in the [Web|Cloud|Grid|newest_buzzword_for_distributed_networks]. I think that the best way to implement this is with a version control system, so that you may restore your address book from x updates ago, etc. The version control system should be able to handle binary data (e.g. svn) so that the information may be encrypted. Using a version control system would also minimize the network traffic. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
On 4/29/08, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean marketing is really just how to sellSNIP That statement could not be farther from the truth, IMHO. I think any Tech I agree 100% with Lowell. When I think of marketing I think of Apple and Google. Apple is for some specific group of people while Google manage to reach all. Why? It is not because Google is free. Try to compare OpenOffice with m$ office. M$ office gets its users because it's pushed on us (huge availability and commenly known). Google engineered what the market requested. They found out what people wanted and how to give it to them. I remember that I started using the search engine because someone recommended it to me. This was many years ago... other people recommended me other search engines. Some might be better, but Google is good enough so I do not change right now. I have no idea about marketing, but I like Steve's idea about open marketing. If we show the phone to many people, some of them might get interested. I started using Linux because a friend of me told me about it. If Openmoko should get out to x million people, I think we all need to work together. Remember it is in our own interest to make Openmoko survive. Showing off the phone would make a difference. If we want to show something to non-hackers, we (the community) needs to develop a a lot of nice software, so that people say Wow! I want that feature!. I remember my friend told me that he don't care about what his phone is able to do, as long as it is slim, long battery capacity and that he is able to send/receive calls/SMS. Now I wonder, which features would be so valuable that he would not care about the physical design? If the phone was also a nitendo wii? Well, then it is up to us, the community, to implement software that makes the phone work as a nitendo wii. Only this way will garantee success. Lack of features in hardware (e.g. camera) must be compensated for in software (e.g. image drawing programs and support for sending/receiving images). If Openmoko survives, we could get more open firmware and GPL'ed drivers. If Openmoko gets 1% of the mobile market, they can start to push companies into GPL. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
On 4/30/08, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my list starts with: *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in case i need to re-install everything) *backing up e-mails/text messages *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? I think some of the community members could set up a server for this. Of course there must be some encrytion so the private data is secured. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 or more phones order
On 4/28/08, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ilja O. ha scritto:
So why's it not in Perl then,
You could do all that in a simple one-liner...
;o)
I don't know Perl :(
But I could try to write on z/OS HLASM. Or Erlang...
Btw, it could be simple one-liner in Python too.
Like this:
phone_count = 42
_orders = [BOX for _i in xrange(phone_count // 10)] + [SINGLE
for _i in xrange(phone_count % 10)]
print(Please, order %s % , .join(_orders))
Or if you want REALLY python one-liner:
exec(eJwryMjPS41Pzi/NK1GwVTAx4orPL0pJLSoGcqKVnPwjlBTS8osU4jMVMvMUKooS89JTNQqQtOjrKxgaaMYqaANVB3v6ufu4EtCgClbPVVCUmVeioRSQk5pYnKqjALZTQbVYCSivpKOgpJeVn5mnAXWKpiYAGp0z4g==.decode(base64).decode(zip))
Oh My God
It was just the moment, it was because it's passed some time since i stopped
using C at work i think, it could be python, perl, bash, php, c, c++, basic,
javascript, ASM, also java (i don't like it),. :D
It was the moment :D
All the code can be written with standard cut (the Unix command).
But here is the C code:
/* input: the number of Freerunners */
/* returns the total netto Openmoko price for Freerunners */
unsigned long get_price(unsigned short no)
{
unsigned long price=0;
while (no%10)
{
price += 399;
no--;
}
while (no)
{
price += 9*399;
no -= 10;
}
return price;
}
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Re: 10 or more phones order
On 4/28/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the code can be written with standard cut (the Unix command). btw., awk is more easy than cut :) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
On 4/28/08, Werner Almesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: steve wrote: Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration. Oh, *now* I'm curious :-) - Werner Maybe you run free of something? (Did you run away from jail/work/someone???) Or running out _in_ the free? Or you where running without getting paid for it? Does running actually free your mind? ... ... That would qualify as free (as in beer or gratis) running. Anyway, I like the name Freerunner, since it runs (i.e. powered) with free software:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)
On 4/28/08, Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The community list is for getting phones into peoples' hands? Where has the actual community discussion gone, then? If there is need for a special purpose list to get phones into peoples' hands, it would not be hard to create one. Besides, it's not hard to share mailing list bandwidth between various purposes. I simply can't buy the notion that the community mailing list is not suited to community discussion at this time. There is already too much noise on on the community mailing list. I am sure we will get all the details soon:) I never said anything about a conspiracy - I just thought I'd point out that it strikes me as strange to respond to somebody's call to open up a process and involve the community by asking that person to make their communications private! So according to you, it should not be possible to talk with people outside the mailing list? -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New List?
On 4/28/08, Andre Timmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, den 28.04.2008, 17:13 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Billaudelle: +1 -1 I think this will return to a normal level when freerunner is shipping. So give it another 2 weeks ;) -1 I agree -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?
On 4/28/08, Kim Alvefur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it impossible to make the glamo fetch data from the sd directly? Try to ask on the kernel list:) Anyway, I think you will get a good explanation of why we cannot do that. The glamo has proprietary firmware, and very limited space for added functionality. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
I'm probably over tired, but the concept of going over a particular type of bump in the car that makes your stomach feels like its just dropped, and having the phone play a w sound gives me a bit of a chuckle. That was a great idea:) Please add it to the wiki page. Also, if you fall, the phone should start screaming AUUU!!! IT HURTS! -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
On 4/28/08, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/28 Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada compared to the USPS. If OpenMoko, Inc. won't do it, it sounds like a business opportunity for someone living close to Freemont to buy phones, pick them up or have inexpensive shipping, and then remail them to the rest of the world with USPS, charging a minor fee (around $10 per phone might make it worth while without being too expensive). As I wrote that I realized that there might be existing commerical services in the US that does stuff like that... There is. myus.com is one of them. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
On 4/27/08, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Are we talking the sorta half second delay with exagerated drunk movements required to operate the nintendo wii, or precise movements that can catch my cat doing the sideways wiggle in realtime before she jumps at something if I was to strap it to her? It _is_ very accurate, but you need to filter the signals (same issue as with the touch screen, both needs a LP filter) (Yes, I realise that attaching a phone to a cat is like trying to pin the tail on a live donkey, you get one chance, and then its all pain, but I digress) You really tried both things? I would like to see a video of when you pin the donkeys tail to a cat strapped to a phone :p -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
On 4/27/08, Vedran Alajbegović [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i'm confused a bit, will that freerunner include Debugboard too? No. If you really need one, you will have to pay extra for it. Openmoko will sell the debug boards for 99 USD -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
On 4/26/08, Sebastian Hammerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only a dump question: when i buy from a reseller in germany, the reseller bought about some hundred pieces in ten packs. so will i get the 10-pack-version when i only buy one? the reseller bought only x*10-packs so he should always get the extra. It is not a dump question! This is something you should ask your reseller about. I am not even sure if the resellers get the extra stuff, since I think it was meant as a special bonus for people that make a group order. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
It would be nice if we can choose between input. Sometimes it is nice to use the touchscreen as a mice, while other times I would prefer the accelerometers (e.g. if you want to use the display to something else at the same time). -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)
On 4/26/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice if we can choose between input. Sometimes it is nice to use the touchscreen as a mice, while other times I would prefer the accelerometers (e.g. if you want to use the display to something else at the same time). ... and if you use the accelerometers, you can actually move the device just like if it was a mice:) That would be very cool. Tilting is also an alternative and should be implemented before this regular mice behavor thing, since it is a lot more easy to code. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ARMv4 rating
On 4/26/08, Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Are there any OpenMoko compatible smartphone devices with an ARM achitecture v4? (Any plans?) There has been discussions about this on both the kernel and the hardware list and I recommend you to read the hardware mailing list archive. Will OpenMoko and the Neos stick to the ARMv4 architecture in the future? If the next generation Neos use ARMv4 instruction sets, how long will OpenMoko distributions still support ARMv4? You can always compile Openmoko yourself ( ref.: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Cross_Compile and http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyOS and http://wiki.openmoko.org/ ) and I am sure somebody will provide images for ARMv4 when/if Openmoko at some point should stop precompiling for this (How about Qtopia?) There should be no problem, if the source code is available, right? (BTW, a gentoo-like (http://www.gentoo.org/) distribution, which lets the user compile the packages, should always work.) It is good to see other Gentoo users here:) Maybe we should make an Openmoko ebuild file that builds the complete Openmoko image. (Could enable features with USE flags, e.g. $ echo dev-embedded/openmoko freerunner \ touchscreen bluetooth 802.11 \ /etc/portage/package.use \ emerge openmoko ) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
