if you care to share the details, it'd be really nice ..
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, and if so: which distro has the easiest-to-use USB Host
capabilities?
Sorry for these dumb questions, btw .. I'm just trying to get my
Freerunner into some useful context in my life, and if I could get it
set up with USB Host capabilities that'd be pretty good right now ..
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and is controlled by two sysfs nodes.
Great - thanks for the information! I'll go get myself a USB Hub and
fire up the soldering iron some time this week .. hope I can share
some progress.
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doing with them .. so how about telling us old-
timers just waking up what the current 'nicest OS' for the Freerunner
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. add rm -f
/dev/input/mice it to /etc/rc.local).
Does this just mean there's a bug that prevents X apps from running,
or is it the case that you can't run X windows apps on Qt? I don't
quite understand the situation but the distro itself looks pretty
interesting ..
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- is this possible yet, or is it still pretty much
a difficult thing to set up? I've been quite spoiled with my Android
phone tethering for all my devices - if the Freerunner could do this
easily enough (is there a GUI?) then I'd have a really interesting
place to use it ..
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I vote for QtMoko! :)
Checking it out now! Thanks for the tip!
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going on with the FR these days ..
So, I turn to you guys: what would you recommend I put on both/either
of these machines for a bit of fun today? FDOM, SHR, something else?
In terms of easy-to-get fun factor, what do you guys suggest?
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I'll use the neo1973 as a phone/gps unit if its
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SHR is nice. Phone and gps works well. Music player can be made to
work
well too. Lots of games and other software is available at opkg.org.
yeah i'm settling on this for gta01 for now .. it looks pretty well.
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with SHR is extremely limited, you
will
not be able to install Navit.
i opted for a SD-on-root install, with 4 gigs, so this shouldn't be an
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it!
Yup. Hooray if we get it working on Freerunner. Finally something to
run on Freerunner that might, actually .. work ..
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opinion, by hobby horsing hackers who have nothing but
hatred for the end users that *could* be using the thing.
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Wtf .. Please fix the bug! There are plenty of people who might want
to mass update their freerunner sets..
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I can't think of a situation where I would accidentally have two
freerunners
using as a main cell phone a
bit more recently as well too (iphone calls are expensive), so there
is trepidation about taking my - Working Freerunner - and putting some
random image on it!
but, thats what its for, so .. here goes!! me too :)
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(Remember, Raster gets all the credit! I'm just trying to spread the
good word about the image!)
URL to the image?
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URL to the image?
From the linked blog post:
http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/
Thanks for that, I didn't get to it yet .. but great that Raster is
finally putting out the pimped image we all want to see .. ;)
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present the details properly, and I
definitely don't want to bury this in the wiki. Something like what
the GP2X scene has in the forms of regular updates and reviews would
be ideal ..
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So some work with the alsa setting and we should have VOIP and maybe
even some video conferencing.
Excitement!
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projects.*, this mailing list, etc. If only we had a common, easy to
use (interface-wise) site that could be used to collect these details
and make them easier to read ..
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currently running,
sort of thing .. sort of active pimpage.
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the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce
that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages
required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered.
This is really great news! Hooray for Debian rescuing us from the
Freerunner dilemna!
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conclusions so that we could decide without having to go through
hoops ourselves ..
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of it. never mind. pay no attention.
there is no train, and thus no wreck.
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us other developers, reliably, how to catch up and
keep up with them with regards to code changes and build environments,
and if there were a few reliably sync'ed images produced that we 3rd
party developers could verify our own local results against, this
situation will change.
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Is there any interest? The large screen seems perfectly suited to a
Newton Emulator and the Newton UI really is awesome to behold - just
so intuitive!
Hell yes, count me as interested. Also, anyone want to get a PalmOS
emu running? That'd be wonderful, frankly ..
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I'm hoping that Openmoko build leader will announce a change to this
policy, but at the moment you cannot get Om2008.08 updates from
buildhost.
Who is that, anyway? Its so confusing.
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- widely encourage forking as it is a sure-fire way
to kill public interest in a project. After all, with too many forks,
eventually people give up in the confusion.
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silly me believing not understanding irony was an entirely german
disease
...
He said the intention was basically 'fork early, fork often'. I
simply
asked 'Why?' He didn't explain the reasoning.
There is no reasoning. Its a destructive policy, plain and simple.
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, i'd have a far easier
time as a developer, making distributions irrelevant entirely ..
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- and
lightweight - than over a year of mokomakefile groupthink right about
now ..
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awesome, i'm going to use this to target some packages in the next 2
or 3 days ..
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on SD rather than
flash, since I intend to load it to the gills with all possible
applications I can find! :)
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Ship with nothing and everyone put what want
So nobody can say it is not a complete software :)
Ship with *all* available distributions on the *SD Card*, and include
a script that lets you copy your desired distribution to flash once
you've checked them all out ..
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progress will be made, but for sure we can't make progress if
we don't confront the problems and communicate about them. I'm with
you on the 'go buy an iPhone' response being counter-productive.
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I thought of another way to proceed in between, and started to
document it here :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Moving_current_system_from_flash_to_SD
Great work! I was going to do something similar to this myself this
weekend but I'll wait to hear of your results before I do! :)
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before the end
of the year), but I'm not happy about it!
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finger-friendly interface, besides laziness?
Its not the 90's, stylus-based computing is not cool. The rest of the
world is going multi-touch, no accessories required. We ought to at
least keep up.
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not been able to succesfully complete a 'make
openmoko-developer-image' for a week, and its been terribly
frustrating watching all the bloat of OM go by, with little final
'caught up with the main developers' resuts. I'm going to give it
another go, though, so stay tuned ..
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go to try to do some nice GUI that shows the
nerds how things are done ..
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2008.08 is in most ways a step forward. And in the things that
aren't like that.. sometimes you have to take a half step back to get
two steps forward. Constructive criticism is the best help one can
give,
but bitching is just stupid.
Trudat.
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Host/Device Y-cable or adapter would
be good to include as well. Come to think of it maybe there is a
market for a 3rd party supplier to put together an accessory kit that
extends the functionality of the FR beyond 'laser-pointer yielding'
and into 'USB device medusa' ..
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To be fair the wiki points to an equally misleading folder :
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/
I guess it was all prep work for the release.
Is this the official release location now or what?
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People, please don't forget Neo 1993!
+1 from me .. i have two neo's, one of them is broken, and i -still-
hang on to hope that they will be useful somehow ..
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a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card...
yeah in fact i would favour a less dfu-util'y approach to these public
releases, and say .. make the boot-from-SD the norm, rather than an
exception, leaving dfu-.. for 'factory default boot config'.
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Yes, but you can use it only if you promise that you will not show to
others how to use it (NDA)!
So, for me is like it doesn't exist!
IF only we had OpenGL on the Freerunner by now, imagine the amazing
apps we could write .. geeze guys, what a big disappointment the Glamo
is ..
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Yeah, Bubble Bobble works, but my favorite has always been the music
from R-type... I also loved the music from RoboCop and Maniac Mansion.
Crazy Climber FTW!!
BTW, we need an openmoko-emu-porters list .. ;)
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moan about it, the more likely it is that someone who has
signed the NDA will produce a fix. ;) Oh no, wait, thats not
reality, thats me waking up from a dream ..
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It would be a terrible shame if, after all the 'more important work'
gets done, Glamo gets ignored because 'now its time to build new
hardware'. I think it'd be rotten, in fact.
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. Either the opkg or
the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'.
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ASU release, I'll do my
work all over again and make sure I produce proper packages that will
work for a majority.
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in 2 weeks time, or having it now: its up to the
community. which isn't going to stop, just because people are not
using the hardware yet ..
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with different system states,
if but with a veritable stinginess, then surely it could be expanded?
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, and that means i've got at least a feed or two in
the park to read, and GPS maps (weather too) as well .. so thats
nice. it is actually *quite* a useful system if you pump some time
into it.
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nature, for example, to find that
'magic spot' again ..
I spend most of my time walking or taking public transport, within a
very short radius, in an area I already know very well. I'm just not
getting what's cool or exciting about GPS.
GPS is a good reason to get out more.
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it very usable. If that interests anyone,
I can post is somewhere.
count me as interested!
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as I am
on a camp ground.
okay then i'll have a bash at it, then .. i love numptyphysics, its a
great game, and with fixed to the UI so it works smoother, i think
it'll be a great 'here let me demo the freerunner' app to tag along ..
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7) Maybe run some simple synth applications on the FR, using the USB
host mode to connect it to a MIDI keyboard.
this is what i'm doing this weekend .. ;)
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you seem very passionate about your concerns. If you are going to
linux
world I'd be happy to meet and discuss things.
Or if you can make a list of specific problems I can try to
explain or
address your concerns.
[reply off-list]
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. All griping aside, it sure is fun to have a nice
open pocket platform to code for, as stormy as this one is ..
Now I wish you a very nice day, and happy programming ( or
experimenting).
Indeed! Moving on ..
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*this* is the killer app that puts moko ahead of the pack
- a full, open, earth map, combined with the total information of
mokopedia, *onboard*, being sold as far and as wide as our languages
will allow .. *VERY* interesting!
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a bit of effort to get it set up to do so, but
for the most part it works great.
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to sell 1,000 Freerunners as the base hardware platform for a
multinational operation, it doesn't sell too well.
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massively
impacts GPS *accuracy*. Not just in the acquisition phase, but also
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to
automate the process).
I believe SettingsGUI has some features around this issue, so you
might want to check into that and help out with that if its feasible ..
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on the screen, whenever someone is downloading something
from the webserver in my phone. This would be *Fantastic* for
software delivery services for a new realm of independent
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the effort, or is that not
true? i suggest you think about this a little.
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that is, to allow this
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http://wwwpub.zih.tu-dresden.de/~mkluge/numptyphysics_0.2_armv4t.ipk
For usage etc. see the project home page:
http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org
Awesome! Great to see some fun on the Freerunner!
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We're not done with what we can do to mitigate it in software. These
guys should be in tomorrow's kernel.
okay i'll continue testing and logging in the meantime ..
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something where you can't
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to the default u-boot
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on the WLAN and give it an ip address just like any
other host, you can get into it. as far as using it as a web server,
for sure openembedded has lighthttp and even a pared down (or is it
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on
another system and do a 'sync' with ..
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I think my first project will be called MokoBingo! (with the
exclamation mark!)! It will check the mailing list on a regular basis
and the Freerunner will make a squeaky noise when any of the
following terms are encountered:
heh heh .. please do this! :)
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hacking on Freerunner daily. Its my chosen platform. When I
criticise the strategy and the approach being made to establish a
platform, its because I intend to stick with it. Wouldn't make sense
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source of information.
I'm working on developer tutorials.
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on developer tutorials to help my fellows also build apps they
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should be avoided. Trolling is one
thing, but I think Linus is a great example. Having strong oppinions
and
stating them can be good, even if I don't always agree, but they're
never at least unfounded.
Linus is a champion.
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at an overwhelming-sized task. Everyone take a deep breath
and let's find ways to work together. (And, please: answers to some
key
questions?)
Brian
Well done, Brian, on formulating a positive, rational view of the scene.
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we
always did.
I'm glad OpenMoko has as many rabid fanboix as other projects, it
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know there are no packages for either tool - you'll have
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in offline mode pretty well, if you give it space.
So I hope you come up with good data for India. I always wanted to
have a map of the entire world available in my pocket, so maybe we get
closer and closer to that .. ;)
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Gadget Audio for the Freerunner, I too would like to see this
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the configuration of the OpenMoko distro. Personally I think
for sure we need to pile on as many g_* drivers as possible, and that
means reconfiguring the current distros to make g_ethernet a module,
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This does not work. That is all.
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to make the not insignificant effort to play along, worthwhile.
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to the qualities of the hardware, which
would ordinarily be addressed through a *strong* design ethos, which
brought this situation about.
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