sure would like
to know what else I can do with this cool little device for fun?
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Am Do 24. Juli 2008 schrieb Jay Vaughan:
Successfully tracked and mapped my daily commute!
Me too, daily, twice a day since Monday ..
Wooohoo!!!
Finally!
yeah, finally indeed .. alas the neo1973 does a better job, every
single time, than the freerunner .. i have tangogps set up
hardware was
actually shipping to customer (hacker and non- alike), so for me I'm
sticking with the godamn ugly 2007.2 for now, simply because its what
the phone came with: and thats the point. ASU is too little, too late.
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connection subsequently, or worse: my
system hangs hard. If I do these things myself before disconnecting/
rebooting the Freerunner, then things go smoothly ..
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Oops, sorry my mistake, that's a bluetooth frogpad. But I would guess
the usb version presents itself as a normal usb keyboard.
My Apple Wireless BT keyboard works great with the Freerunner! Very
nice combination!
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all the -
dev packages for the libraries you're interested in, put gcc on your
Freerunner, and do all your compiling with the Freerunner. For a lot
of bootstrapping apps, this method works just fine ..
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++ g++-symlinks gcc-symlinks libstdc+
+-dev libmokoui2-dev librsvg-2-gtk-dev librsvg-2-dev make make-dev
bling:
http://w1xer.de/bling.html
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..
OpenEmbedded builds everything even if you only trying to build
Hellworld.
Once you get it set up once, you can then just use bitbake -b
myrecipefile.bb to build only your local project, though ..
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Not quite working very well on the current om2007.2 release, updates
as of today. seems to suffer from a serious case of scramble, and i
don't mean the good kind ..
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the FR set up for
use - development, GPS, phone calls, Internet - to switch images.
So .. ymmv .. but be careful which way you go, because you'll get
stuck if you start to use your Freerunner more and more ..
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Successfully tracked and mapped my daily commute!
Me too, daily, twice a day since Monday ..
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Here are the binaries (for both 6.3 and 7.0) I managed to build:
http://www.heesakkers.info/showandtell/dfu/
have you got libusb somewhere? OSX needs it too, btw ..
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development unimpeded by this issue any longer? Or do we
just have to wait until the next image update or something?
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1. Give people a free repair kit?
2. work with distributors to do repair.
3. Host repair PARTIES! Woo hoo. Bring your own soldering iron. BYOSI
Here in Vienna, anyway, we can host these parties at MetaLab.
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is wrong. Pulseaudio is set up for 48khz.
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very nicely.
\and may i just add: its very nice to be back in the openmoko
developer chair again .. having the freerunner for the last 24 hours
has been a very big boon to my private development projects ..
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Fwiw, it might still be desirable to move g_ether to a module, since
then we
can switch to other modes (storage) at runtime.
and don't forget g_audio and g_midi while we're at it ..
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I was also using HTML as a GUI frontend for some application. Some
time
SVG rocks the GUI boat.
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btw: your request for showing his authority and stating he has no
right
othwerwise was laying down a new rule as well -- by which authority,
may i
ask?
yikes. can't we all just get along?
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Great! I will do this fix next week as soon as my Freerunner arrives,
and let you know how it goes.
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of the shakes) for the day ..
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, the SettingsGUI progress was awesome, maybe because its
python-based, and perhaps we all should be looking to extend this app
to include the more detailed admin procedures?
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If each of the original volunteers agree I will request a list with
the
title wiki to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement
(or not) on the following list:
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AGREE.
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they understand that its
possible to target all 3 distro's and support them easily enough.
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fan and have a Pandora future.
My contention is that a wide range will feed innovation, more so
than if
we were all in the cellphone business.
Definitely. For me the OpenMoko hardware is great stuff, that can
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to a contributing
sycophant. That will be great.
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. Its not difficult, as you mention, but it has to be obvious -
not everyone understands that the basic distro is the same underneath
FSO/ASU/2007.2 ..
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Yeah, definitely with you on the 'moving on' part .. glad to see there
is a workaround for the GPS+SD problems, and I'm also watching the SD
+Glamo hacking with keen interest ..
j.
On Jul 17, 2008, at 2:19 PM, arne anka wrote:
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*IF THIS ISSUE was that trivial, did
it be possible some heat-related issue is causing this
damage? I will take pics and upload shortly ..
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Found this about the mura effect
http://www.behardware.com/articles/589-1/panels-a-carte-mura-components-dead-pixels.html
Wow thats exactly the problem, thanks ..
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However,.. one must really think why this problem didn't turn out in
the
factory tests :-(
Yes. That is indeed something that must be thought about.
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are observing the OpenMoko project - not participating - the SD+GPS
testing issue is a *huge* screw up.
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To say the true I never saw a firm to admit the problem and to start
to
work for a fix in 11h!
Please do not ignore the fact that GPS has been complained about for
months.
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: Freerunner is no longer
qualified for my project. Having spent a year on OpenMoko, thats
nasty. I was willing to give the SD+Glamo issue a slide, but ..
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that the hardware-testing faults get addressed on
this issue. Especially if I'm about to order 20 of these things, and
then suffer a lynching because I didn't tell everyone involved that OM
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and articles and whatnot, it would help a
great deal.
I will continue to glean info from the mailing lists, and in a little
while will consider setting up mokofanboix.org, and maybe take it from
there .. unless someone else is more qualified to do so?
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consider setting this up then in the near future.
I'll be able to do more on this when I get my Freerunner and catch up
with the rest of you guys on where things stand ..
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The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if
it's mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket.
oh man, if this is true, its not good news.
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On the 1973?!
Yup.
None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the
Freerunners make problems.
I do not have a Freerunner yet. But for sure, without the SD card in,
GPS seems to acquire faster.
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before I start the
trace ..
No Freerunner yet, so can't comment there.
Same here, hopefully mine will arrive soon and I can elevate my
attention to Freerunner and leave the neo1973 in the car. ;)
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engine ..
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issues that potentially cause problem to user.
Lets hope we can resolve this issue then. Thanks for your insight
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a very nice proposal, but I would like to hold
off a bit on recreating a whole new wiki .. what I had in mind was
more of a blog/feed style site, not necessarily another wiki setup ..
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I'll help out too .. so count me in .. soon as I get my Freerunner,
which I'm still going to get even though the GPS problems are a pain.
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of the wiki, and I look forward to its continual improvement. I hope
we can get a news blog site up somewhere that makes sense too, though.
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'solution to the GPS problem'. Nothing else is going
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turned off if the same thing happened to GPS.
So, yes, please tune us into the fix when you've got one. But in the
meantime, no need to get upset because your customers are
communicating with each other..
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the module so it
can be
saved before shutdown. 'Driver' probably isn't the right word.
So we just need to wrap 'save' and 'restore' scripts around the gpsd
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listen only to the usb.
Set your own root password. Fixed.
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, and watching it come up in the PDA in the other
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under a single umbrella that is a bit more of an
'openmoko pop culture' site than what we've got right now ..
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use the latest one before it .. not all releases need a kernel update,
just a new filesystem tweak or two ..
Is this information on the wiki somewhere and I just missed it?
Do a search for 'dfu utility' on the wiki for more details ..
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, for those who have one.
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Yes! I've got mine!
(From http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner)
Jan.
Great! When did you order it?
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a voice-response system,
and do all the navigation for you automatically?
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At what point did you pay Pulster? I placed the order, but have not
received payment instructions.
Same with me .. so I ordered from handhelds instead ..
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to go from your guide to
an automatic web-page/script that makes it easier for people to do
this optimization themselves ..
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market for this precise kind of custom-application vendor service in
the corporate world.
and so this is -precisely- why motorola and co., are defending their
hardware base. open source is nothing without silicon.
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Come on. Could you please all stop abusing this mailing list to track
your orders?
What do _we_ have to do with your order?
aren't you interested in how enthusiastic your peers are to catch up
with those of you that have the nice hardware and are happily hacking
on it?
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deliveries at my work address, and some
prediction would help me not pester people downstairs at the wrong
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awesome! i'm going to do that too .. maybe make up a very simple PCB
for it .. could this be the beginning of some interesting work in the
case-design/snap-in accessory boards aftermarket?
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for that reason.
clare
Once upon a time the terminal app in openmoko worked great for this,
if you had a bluetooth keyboard wired up. that stopped working
recently though, bummer ..
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Thus, I tried to resolve my own confusion by creating this wiki page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images
great, thanks for doing that! its definitely helpful. . .
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At the moment my FR is travelling to me, so I'm looking for a good
portable bluetooth keyboard.
What do you think about BT KB? what about Nokia SU-8W?
I had some great sessions with my Apple Wireless KB and the neo1973 ..
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Afaik raster was working on a magic keyboard that had all sorts of
cool features.
hope he releases it soon!
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and connects withing 40 to 50 seconds.
In Costa Rica I have never been able to get a fix. I never tried for
longer than half an hour though.
And I haven't tried with an antenna either. I should get one.
wack! but at least we know now.
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Maybe when I get time I'll take a freerunner up to my friends at Emu
and see
what ideas they come up with.
Do it! See if they'll port a few of their apps to it for us .. ;)
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9 other interested parties. How do I do this? Please advise.
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developers a great deal. As
it is right now its very difficult to release an app for OM, not
knowing what image is going to be used.
This image fracture is damage.
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I get my gta01 doing
something actually .. you know .. useful. ;)
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with mixing. ;)
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Sounds interesting. Will you be doing this through cables or IR with
a device similar to the one
Cables, of course .. or gadget-audio if possible ..
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platform worth pocketing! Finally! :)
I have seen the synth section of mini tamtam on olpc (using csound
with
python bindings) and was blown away.
It doesn't take much to make music these days..
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there might
be pushing things in interesting territories already .. so how about
it folks, got a recommendation?
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to my Freerunner, I would. And I'd watch them for regular updates too.
For example, I'm considering firing up an Openmoko repository - known
and public - for music apps for the OpenMoko suite ..
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doesn't exist today.
Two ways to accomplish this:
1. use gadget_storage on the neo/freerunner
2. use usb-networking + samba on the neo/freerunner
My vote goes for option #2, since this also allows us to continue to
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to get our OpenMoko user group days fixed and
happening on a regular basis too ..
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Why is this not linked from the Group Sales page on the openmoko
wiki? :)
Coz nobody has done it yet! :)
Spread the word a bit? :)
Good idea.
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And then there also is a hardware solutions. A very generic one,
available in
any half-decent hardware store. I think they call 'm cutting
pliers and
will make sure those leds will never be turned on again...
I've got DuctTape 1.0 running on mine, it fixes the LED issues.
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current USB HDSPA dongle, which sucks the
cool out of my EEEPC by giving me a dongly tether to deal with on the
train. It'd be much better if my EEEPC could talk wirelessly to my
OM phone, and have the OM phone be the Internet router I've always
dreamed of ..
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glommed to my Apple
BT wireless keyboard, and I have to say it is one of the happiest
hacking terminals I've had in a long time. W00t.
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Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
Eildert
I have it running right now, color syntax, cscope integration, the
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I have 5 cell phones that need to be recycledwhat a waste.
Find dev-kits for them and build apps with them ..
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Or something like the locator in the Alien movie...
I'd really love to integrate the neo1973's GPS into the urban
takeover game:
http://urbantakeover.at/
With a pretty onboard interface and realtime updates, of course ..
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You folks are freaking me out. Outside of tracking people, any other
ideas for why you'd want this?
reality-based games.
pathfinding.
picnics.
parties in the desert. etc.
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(10 factorial) seconds is exactly 42 days, heh heh. (Google
calculator was handy.)
Neat. 42, the answer once again. :)
.. especially appropriate since the question is, of course what is
gods phone number?, thank you deep thought ..
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