Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .

Hello everyone,

I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows 
their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy 
an openmoko is the freedom.

But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost 
only $199 USD and it automatically makes the OpenMoko phone expensive, because 
they have similar characteristics... this could discourage many possible 
buyers, for purely economical reasons.

I dont know if the FreeRunner price can be changed at this moment, but now the 
FreeRunner is less competitive than the iPhone in terms of price.


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RE: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .

 *sigh*
 The 3G iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $199 when subsidized
 through a 2 year ATT contract. Thats like saying my Nokia E51 costs
 nothing, because I got it free with a 2 year contract.
 

Just look Ebay, amazon, etc...  you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the 
price they have with ATT, in fact there is no ATT in my country, an i could 
buy one on many shops in the downtown (dont misunderstand me, i want the 
FreeRunner!!).

I am sure it will happen again with the iPhone 3G
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RE: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .

 Granted, the Apple and ATT partnership greatly subsidizes the cost, 
 because of the $960 ($40/mo unlimited data plan for 2 yrs) to $2400 
 ($100/mo unlimited voice/data for 2 yrs) that you'd spend with ATT also 
 helps cover the hidden cost of the hardware.

No doubt, but you can buy unlocked iPhones on many places, including internet 
and they dont cost $960
 
 What you're paying the extra money for, for the Freerunner, is the 
 freedom of doing whatever you want with your phone. Sure, the iPhone has 
 their SDK released, but all applications still have to go through Apple 
 to operate on your phone -- I don't know if the SDK even allows you to 
 build an application just for your own iPhone to test it. Also, their 
 mobile OS is closed source -- you have no access to hack or tweak it to 
 do *exactly* what you want it to. You can't change the applications that 
 come with the phone, you can't do a lot of things. 

Of course, thats why I want a FreeRunner!! but in the next months surely you 
can buy an unlocked iPhone 3G on ebay or the chinatown for $200 USD, and it 
affects the sales of FreeRunner, remember that GT02 is designed for mass 
production, not only for geeks like us who love free software


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RE: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .

Hello,

This post is going further my expectations :) so, lets put the things in order:

1) FreeRunner and its freedom is the best, so we dont need an argue about the 
good reasons to buy one :)

2) In countries where you have to sign a two year contract, the iPhone 3G will 
be more expensive at the end, but this is not the situation of everyone.

3) Apple will say all time that you will have to sign a contract to get an 
iPhone, but in the reality they do nothing to stop people unlocking phones and 
selling them without ATT contracts around the world (check ebay before telling 
again you have to sign a contract!!!), because they get money for that phones 
anyway. So I expect iPhones 3G being sold for $199 USD without any contract 
around the world, and for most people does not matter if this is legal or not. 

4) FreeRunner is a product, and need sales to survive. I will buy a Freerunner 
instead an iPhone because i want a free phone, but many people would prefer to 
buy an unlocked-hacked-nocontract iPhone on ebay for $199 than an OpenMoko for 
$399. am I clear enough?

furthermore the freedom, there is a war for the smartphones market and a 
freephone have to be competitive  in price, not only in quality and philosophy. 


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RE: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .

Is what they always say, like microsoft saying their serial codes will not be 
hacked... but after one week someone finds a hack that activates the phone 
without ATT and two weeks after you see unlocked phones in the street, i have 
no idea where the dealers get them, but you find the unlocked phones just a 
little more expensive than the phones in contract, and when the situation is 
out of control, Apple starts selling phones without contract... I am not 
guessing, it happened with the first generation of iPhones

 

 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:07:07 +0100
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Subject: Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price
 
 Are you sure about that? According to Engadget [1] you will have to
 activate the contract in shop which seems to suggest a pretty bum deal
 if you plan on then unlocking it and selling it at $200. If you do I
 will buy one from you at that price ;)
 
 http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/iphone-3g-purchase-and-activation-will-be-in-store-only/
 
 2008/6/10 Jorge . :
 [snip]

 Of course, thats why I want a FreeRunner!! but in the next months surely you 
 can buy an unlocked iPhone 3G on ebay or the chinatown for $200 USD, and it 
 affects the sales of FreeRunner, remember that GT02 is designed for mass 
 production, not only for geeks like us who love free software


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RE: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .

Robert Taylor wrote:
 On the new Iphones, you HAVETO get a 2 year contract.  
 If you decide to quit you will pay a fee that will total up greater than 
 the $600 the phone is worth.

The first iPhone was released june 29/2007 and the first hacked that allow you 
to use it with any operator was announced on july 9/2007. It will happen again 
and unlocked iPhones 3G will be available, it does not matter if the first 
bunch are stolen, second hand or refurbished, it short time everyone will be 
able to buy an iPhone 3G without contract for almost the same price than it 
contract. Then we will be able to compare unsubsidized iphones with moko. until 
that moment lets end the flame :-) but if I am right the iPhone will be cheaper 
even unsubsidized. (although i would buy a moko anyway)


 furthermore the freedom, there is a war for the smartphones market and a 
 freephone have to be competitive  in price, not only in quality and 
 philosophy. 

  This is only true if you do what you are insisting on doing, comparing 
 things that are not of equal value. While it is fine for consumers to 
 be ignorant of these facts and actually think your argument is valid, 
 it's not correct on this thread as you are clearly educated and 
 understand the reality of the situation.


not equal value? Moko, iPhone, iRiver, Blackberry... we are talking about 
smartphones, and money is money. If you buy an orange, and apple or a pinable 
you pay with money!! every fruit have advantages and disadvantages, but you pay 
anyway

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RE: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price

2008-06-10 Thread Jorge .

 ian douglas wrote:
 
 By my calculations below, a consumer buying an iPhone or a Freerunner, 
 and using ATT for a voice/data plan, is going to spend about $2600 over 
 two years no matter which phone they buy.
 
 Jorge's original posting in this thread said the following:
  the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will
  cost only $199 USD and  now the FreeRunner is less competitive than 
 the iPhone in terms of price.
 
 He was asking about straight out-of-pocket expense, not about subsidies. 
 The end consumer is only going to see the price tag on the phone itself.


EXACTLY!! a GNU/Linux geek will see the difference, but GTA02 is for mass 
production, and i am afraid the price will discourage buyers for the same 
reasons your are telling


 The consumer will look at the iPhone and see a price of $199.
 Then they'll look at the Freerunner and see a price tag of $399.

EXACTLY AGAIN!

 
 The Freerunner would perhaps be cheaper if the consumer buys pay as you 
 go minutes/data instead of a monthly plan.


Excepting if you can buy an unlocked iPhone for less than $399 USD, because in 
most countries you can buy pay as you go minutes for any phone.


 The Freerunner would *definitely* be cheaper if they buy the iPhone and 
 start buying applications through iTunes for their phone.


Of course, iTunes aplications are horribly expensive and non-free!!


 If you want to compare the total cost, compare the total cost of buying 
 the new iphone UNLOCKED at retail cost (you can't) plus the data package 
 and THEN we can talk.
 
 But the consumer isn't asked to pay the full unlocked price of the 
 iPhone. Just because ATT subsidizes the phone by lessening the profit 
 they make on the $100/month you'll pay them for using their service,

Also true



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Re: [gta02] cannot boot from NAND

2013-12-12 Thread Jorge

Yup, same here. No booting from NAND.


On 12/12/13 23:59, Ben Wong wrote:

Hey Joif,

You're not alone. I get the same message with v58 in NAND; haven't
tried on SD yet.

I thought it might be DFU transferring the file system incorrectly,
but seeing that you have the same problem, I think perhaps the image
on sourceforge is corrupted.

What's the checksum supposed to be for the QTMoko files?

—B



On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Francesco De Vita
francesco.dev...@mailoo.org wrote:

Hello
Flashing QtMoko v58 I discovered that I'm not able to boot any more
from NAND. This is what I receive after pressing the power button:

UBI error: process_eb: bad image sequence number 1588845893 in PEB 1971,
epxected 1933142073
slab error in kmem_cache_destroy(): cache `ubi_scan_slab': Can't free
all objects
UBI error: ubi_init: cannot attach mtd6
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
unknown-block(0,0)
[c002b0f0] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xf0) from [c02aba94]
(panic+0x58/0x174)
[c02aba94] (panic+0x58/0x174) from [c0008cc0]
(mount_block_root+0x1d4/0x294)
[c0008cc0] (mount_block_root+0x1d4/0x294) from [c0008f6c]
(prepare_namespace+0x8c/0x1c8)
[c0008f6c] (prepare_namespace+0x8c/0x1c8) from [c00089b4]
(kernel_init+0xfc/0x130)
[c00089b4] (kernel_init+0xfc/0x130) from [c0027730]
(kernel_thread_exit+0x0/0x8)

With v55 it seems to boot correctly but the process stops after the
first configuration, and rebooting gives just a black screen.
With v56 I have similar errors like above.

Any hints on what's going on? I'm so sad...

Joif

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Re: [gta02] cannot boot from NAND

2013-12-15 Thread Jorge
Me too, jffs works but had to enable modem logging to get trough the pin 
screen.


Jorge

On 14/12/13 13:41, Francesco De Vita wrote:

Thank you Radek, the jffs2 image works on NAND!
But, as happened for the uSD version, the system stops at the PIN
screen. However, as you suggested, enabling the modem logging solves the
problem.

Regards
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Building qtmoko for Neo.

2014-01-20 Thread Jorge

Hi,

I'm trying to build qtmoko from https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko , 
following the README., on a Ubuntu 13.04 64bits box, and have some weird 
behavior.


I suppose I have to run sudo scripts/qtmoko-chroot-armel.sh, not 
armhf, right?


1. The cdebootstrap step in the script fails unless I add 
--allow-unauthenticated. Not sure what is going on nor whose fault it is.


2. At some point during the script running, something breaks in my box. 
Some applets hang, and chromium starts to fail to load complaining on 
incorrect permissions on /dev/shm. Doing sudo chmod 1777 /dev/shm 
seems to fix that, but I don't know what else is happening.


3. Finally, the script finishes, but the
qtmoko-chroot:~/qte/build$ ../qtmoko/configure -device neo
step (is the neo there right?) fails with:

...
Testing for ALSA: FAIL
ERROR: You requested -sound-system alsa but it was disabled.
make: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 1

4. If I add -sound-system pulse to configure, then it fails shortly 
after with:


...
Testing for OpenSSL: FAIL
ERROR: You requested -ssl but it was disabled.

apt-get install openssl does not fix it.


Greetings,

Jorge

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Re: Building qtmoko for Neo.

2014-01-21 Thread Jorge

On 01/20/2014 06:16 PM, Radek Polak wrote:

1. The cdebootstrap step in the script fails unless I add
--allow-unauthenticated. Not sure what is going on nor whose fault it is.


Hmm maybe you have to install debian/emdebian apt keyring to get rid of this.
I am on debian, that's maybe why it works for me...


I do have debian-keyring and emdebian-archive-keyring installed, will 
look a bit further.





2. At some point during the script running, something breaks in my box.
Some applets hang, and chromium starts to fail to load complaining on
incorrect permissions on /dev/shm. Doing sudo chmod 1777 /dev/shm
seems to fix that, but I don't know what else is happening.


Ahh interesting, i am getting this error too, but it never occured to me that
this is because of qtmoko chroot. It can be related to binded mounts...


(will comment later)




You can try append -verbose to see more details.

Otherwise you might need the devel packages like libasound2-dev libssl-dev but
i wonder why they are not installed - i have checked the qtmoko-chroot-
armel.sh and they are there.


Yes, the packages are there, and running with -verbose show the following:

---
arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ -MMD -MF 
/root/qte/build/config.tests/alsa/.obj/main.cpp.d -c -pipe 
-DQT_QWS_FICGTA01 -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions 
-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -finline-functions -falign-functions=2 
-falign-loops=2 -falign-jumps=2 -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t 
-msoft-float -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 
-DQT_NO_DYNAMIC_CAST 
-I/root/qte/build/sdk/devices/root/qte/qtmoko/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ 
-I/root/qte/build/config.tests/devices/root/qte/qtmoko/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ 
-I/root/qte/qtmoko/devices/neo/mkspecs/qws/linux-neo-g++ 
-I/root/qte/build/config.tests/alsa -I/root/qte/qtmoko/config.tests/alsa 
-I/root/qte/qtmoko/alsa -I/root/qte/build/alsa -o 
/root/qte/build/config.tests/alsa/.obj/main.o 
/root/qte/qtmoko/config.tests/alsa/main.cpp
/root/qte/qtmoko/config.tests/alsa/main.cpp:1:28: warning: 
alsa/asoundlib.h: No such file or directory

---

Nevertheless, the file /usr/include/alsa/asoundlib.h is in place, don't 
know why it doesn't find it.


On mounts, yes, there is definitely something fishy. Mount shows the 
following that does not look right:


---
/dev on /home/jvisca/sources/qtmoko-chroot/dev type none (rw,bind)
/home/jvisca/sources on /home/jvisca/sources/qtmoko-chroot/root/qte type 
none (rw,bind)
/home/jvisca/sources on /home/jvisca/sources/qtmoko-chroot/var/lib/dbus 
type none (rw,bind)
/var/lib/dbus on /home/jvisca/sources/qtmoko-chroot/var/lib/dbus type 
none (rw,bind)

---

Actually, that is a bit scary :)


Regards,

Jorge


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qtMoko UI questions...

2015-01-02 Thread Jorge
Using qtMoko 58 on a GTA02 here, and have this silly question... What 
are the two numbers under the service provider (with the globe icon)?. 
It says 11/9772 now, and have no idea what it means :)


And by the way, what is the last item for, under the charge rate, the 
one with the P icon?


Also, how are the two charge rate computed? Over what period? And I 
suppose that while suspended no data is logged, how that is dealt with?


Greetings,

Jorge


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Re: qtMoko getting bad Network Time

2015-01-06 Thread Jorge
Thanks for the confirmation. A question, can you confirm that the 
session excerpt is the one of interest, and it actually says the 
provider is giving the +34 time zone? That would be strange, being the 
biggest celular provider around here. With my Nokia dumbphone I've never 
seen something like that (OTOH, time updatting hasn't worked for me at 
all last time I needed it).


Jorge

On 05/01/15 23:39, Paul Wise wrote:

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Jorge wrote:


I have a correctly set time  timezone (America/Montevideo), and when my
qtMoko boots up, after connecting to the cellular network a weird dialog
appears : The network time is (GMT +34). Set this new time?. If I say No,
everything keeps working. If I say Yes the timezone is changed to GMT-34
and as expected the time is borked (00:00 1/1/1970).

34 hours past GMT sounds like your provider has a broken time server.
Usually GMT timezones are 0-12 hours before/after GMT and no further.
Of course QtMoko should probably handle such broken timezones by
ignoring them rather than breaking. Please file a bug about it on the
QtMoko bug reports page:

https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/issues




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Re: qtMoko UI questions...

2015-01-03 Thread Jorge

Thank Christ and Robert.

Another question, in the NeoControl (Neo Hardware Tool) application 
there's a Deep Sleep option, unchecked. Is it worth enabling? It seems 
modem related, what's supposed to do?
There's also an unchecked Use FSO (freesmartphone.org), what is 
qtMoko's status with FSO?


Jorge


On 03/01/15 11:30, Christ van Willegen wrote:

Hi,

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Jorge xxo...@gmail.com wrote:

Also, how are the two charge rate computed? Over what period? And I suppose
that while suspended no data is logged, how that is dealt with?

There's a charge counter inside the battery. When suspending, the
charge and suspend time is stored. When waking up, the charge delta
and time delta is used for that.

Christ van Willegen

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Re: qtMoko UI questions...

2015-01-04 Thread Jorge
Ok, thanks, will see what change I see. Right now, on suspend I get 3 
days,  the same time that with my Nokia 1112, a seawater inmersion 
survivor. This is, not bad :)


Jorge

On 04/01/15 08:53, Robert 'Bobby' Zenz wrote:

Yes, it is worth being enabled if your phone has been fixed. If I
remember correctly there was a hardware bug that would not allow to go
the modem to deep sleep (to save energy), instead of sleeping it
oscillated between being awake and sleeping or something like that. I
think it was bug #1024, and needs to be fixed by soldering a resistor
somewhere onto the board. If it has been fixed on your phone, enable
the option.




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qtMoko getting bad Network Time

2015-01-04 Thread Jorge

Hi to all again:

I have a correctly set time  timezone (America/Montevideo), and when my 
qtMoko boots up, after connecting to the cellular network a weird dialog 
appears : The network time is (GMT +34). Set this new time?. If I say 
No, everything keeps working. If I say Yes the timezone is changed to 
GMT-34 and as expected the time is borked (00:00 1/1/1970).


I guess there is some problem requesting the timezone from the provider. 
The output from running qpe by hand is the following (just after reading 
the contacts from the SIM):


-
AtChat :  T : AT+CMER=1,0,0,1,0
AtChat :  F : OK
AtChat :  T : AT+CNMI=2,1,2,0,0
AtChat :  F : OK
AtChat :  T : AT+COPS=0
AtChat :  N : +CREG: 2
AtChat :  N : %CSQ:  31, 99, 5
AtChat :  N : +CIEV: 1, 5
AtChat :  t : AT+CSCB=0,50
AtChat :  N : +CREG: 1,000B,25FA
AtChat :  F : OK
AtChat :  f : AT+CSCB=0,50
AtChat :  f : OK
AtChat :  t : AT+COPS=3,2
AtChat :  f : AT+COPS=3,2
AtChat :  f : OK
AtChat :  t : AT+COPS?
AtChat :  f : AT+COPS?
AtChat :  f : +COPS: 0,2,74801
AtChat :  f : OK
AtChat :  t : AT+COPS=3,0
AtChat :  f : AT+COPS=3,0
AtChat :  f : OK
AtChat :  t : AT+COPS?
AtChat :  f : AT+COPS?
AtChat :  f : +COPS: 0,0,Antel
AtChat :  f : OK
AtChat :  t : AT+CSCB=0,50
AtChat :  f : AT+CSCB=0,50
AtChat :  f : OK
AtChat :  N : %CSQ:  31, 99, 3
AtChat :  N : +CIEV: 1, 5
AtChat :  N : +CTZV: 136
Unable to open '/usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-34'
QTimeZone::data Can't create a valid data object for 'Etc/GMT-34'
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
AtChat :  N : %CSQ:  31, 99, 5
AtChat :  N : +CIEV: 1, 5
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
AtChat :  T : 
AtChat :  W : 
AtChat :  W : OK
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
AtChat :  T : AT+CCFC=0,2
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
AtChat :  F : +CCFC: 0,7
AtChat :  F : OK
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid
-

Around here is when the dialog appears, and it keeps printing 
TimeZoneData::fromUtc invalid until I select No.


Hope it's interesting.

Jorge

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Re: qtMoko getting bad Network Time

2015-01-07 Thread Jorge

Wait... If I apply to the calue 136 the code from

https://github.com/freesmartphone/cornucopia/blob/master/fsogsmd/src/lib/consts.vala#L975

I get -120 minutes, which is Ok:

---
 public int ctzvToTimeZone( int ctzv ) // ctzv = 136
{
  var bcd1 = ( ctzv / 0x10 );// =8
  var bcd2 = ( ctzv % 0x10 )  0x7;// =0
  var zone = bcd2 * 10 + bcd1;// =8
  var sign = ( ctzv  0x08 ) == 8;// true
  return sign ? -zone * 15 : zone * 15;// =-120
}
---

This assumes the number is encoded as a 8 bit integer, with the 4 bit 
being the sign. There is a comment that seem s to refer to the GSM spec.


The ofono and qtmoko give the same result (+34 hours), and both seem to 
expect the sign being in a string form (+ or -). ofono uses atoi(), 
qtmoko parses it by hand.


Seems that my provider/modem would work with FSOs interpretation, but 
not with ofonoqtmoko.



Jorge



On 07/01/15 16:03, Jorge wrote:

Thanks.

I've found this wording for the time zone info [1][2]:

(indicates the difference, expressed in quarters of an hour, between 
the local time and GMT; range

-96...+96)

So, a value of 136 would not be valid. I'll try to track this one.


Jorge


[1] 
http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/127000_127099/127007/08.03.00_60/ts_127007v080300p.pdf

[2] download-c.huawei.com/download/downloadCenter?downloadId=16235

On 07/01/15 01:08, Paul Wise wrote:

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Jorge wrote:

Thanks for the confirmation. A question, can you confirm that the 
session
excerpt is the one of interest, and it actually says the provider is 
giving
the +34 time zone? That would be strange, being the biggest celular 
provider
around here. With my Nokia dumbphone I've never seen something like 
that
(OTOH, time updatting hasn't worked for me at all last time I needed 
it).

America/Montevideo seems to be two hours behind UTC.

The log confirms that QtMoko is definitely looking for the GMT-34 
timezone.


Looking at the QtMoko source code, +CTZV is an Unsolicited result
code for time zone change events.

https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/html/atcommands.html

Your operator's CTZV value is 136.

The code handling the +CTZV message is here:

https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp#L683 



That code produces 34 hours in front of UTC for your operator's CTZV 
value.


There are two other FLOSS implementations of CTZV handling that I know
of, FSO and oFono:

http://www.freesmartphone.org/
https://01.org/ofono

Looking at the FSO code, it produces 8 hours behind UTC for your
operator's CTZV value.

https://github.com/freesmartphone/cornucopia/blob/master/fsogsmd/src/lib/consts.vala#L975 



Looking at the oFono code, it produces 34 hours in front of UTC for
your operator's CTZV value.

https://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/atmodem/network-registration.c#n841 



I then tried to find a reference for how to do this correctly, since
none of the FLOSS implementations I can find produce a result that
matches TZ=America/Montevideo.

The closest I could find is a reference to the value being an offset
from Universal Time in units of 15 minutes.

Not sure what the right answer is here, I think you will need to do
more testing with the same SIM card in a variety of phones from you
and your friends and record the resulting timezone offsets. If you can
also record the CTZV value (some phones have debug info available)
that would be helpful too, in case different phones get different
values or use another command. Start by setting the timezone UTC, then
turn on automatic timezone info and then find out what the resulting
timezone offset is. If any of them then get the correct timezone
you'll need to figure out how.






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Re: qtMoko getting bad Network Time

2015-01-07 Thread Jorge

Thanks.

I've found this wording for the time zone info [1][2]:

(indicates the difference, expressed in quarters of an hour, between 
the local time and GMT; range

-96...+96)

So, a value of 136 would not be valid. I'll try to track this one.


Jorge


[1] 
http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/127000_127099/127007/08.03.00_60/ts_127007v080300p.pdf

[2] download-c.huawei.com/download/downloadCenter?downloadId=16235

On 07/01/15 01:08, Paul Wise wrote:

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Jorge wrote:


Thanks for the confirmation. A question, can you confirm that the session
excerpt is the one of interest, and it actually says the provider is giving
the +34 time zone? That would be strange, being the biggest celular provider
around here. With my Nokia dumbphone I've never seen something like that
(OTOH, time updatting hasn't worked for me at all last time I needed it).

America/Montevideo seems to be two hours behind UTC.

The log confirms that QtMoko is definitely looking for the GMT-34 timezone.

Looking at the QtMoko source code, +CTZV is an Unsolicited result
code for time zone change events.

https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/doc/html/atcommands.html

Your operator's CTZV value is 136.

The code handling the +CTZV message is here:

https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/devices/neo/src/plugins/phonevendors/neo/vendor_neo.cpp#L683

That code produces 34 hours in front of UTC for your operator's CTZV value.

There are two other FLOSS implementations of CTZV handling that I know
of, FSO and oFono:

http://www.freesmartphone.org/
https://01.org/ofono

Looking at the FSO code, it produces 8 hours behind UTC for your
operator's CTZV value.

https://github.com/freesmartphone/cornucopia/blob/master/fsogsmd/src/lib/consts.vala#L975

Looking at the oFono code, it produces 34 hours in front of UTC for
your operator's CTZV value.

https://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/drivers/atmodem/network-registration.c#n841

I then tried to find a reference for how to do this correctly, since
none of the FLOSS implementations I can find produce a result that
matches TZ=America/Montevideo.

The closest I could find is a reference to the value being an offset
from Universal Time in units of 15 minutes.

Not sure what the right answer is here, I think you will need to do
more testing with the same SIM card in a variety of phones from you
and your friends and record the resulting timezone offsets. If you can
also record the CTZV value (some phones have debug info available)
that would be helpful too, in case different phones get different
values or use another command. Start by setting the timezone UTC, then
turn on automatic timezone info and then find out what the resulting
timezone offset is. If any of them then get the correct timezone
you'll need to figure out how.




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Re: Finger Friendly on screen keyboard

2009-02-23 Thread Jorge Chamorro
kris Occhipinti wrote:
 Does anyone have any feedback on my keyboard?
 Good things, Bad Things?
 So far I haven't seen another keyboard that is as easy to use with 
 your fingers,
 But I haven't really gotten any feedback from others who have used it.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/pykey, line 18, in module
display = Xlib.display.Display()
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Xlib/display.py, line 85, in 
__init__
self.display = _BaseDisplay(display)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Xlib/display.py, line 67, in 
__init__
apply(protocol.display.Display.__init__, (self, ) + args, keys)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Xlib/protocol/display.py, line 
53, in __init__
name, host, displayno)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Xlib/support/connect.py, line 
96, in get_auth
return mod.get_auth(sock, dname, host, dno)
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Xlib/support/unix_connect.py, 
line 100, in new_get_auth
au = xauth.Xauthority()
  File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Xlib/xauth.py, line 46, in 
__init__
raise error.XauthError('~/.Xauthority: %s' % err)
Xlib.error.XauthError: ~/.Xauthority: [Errno 2] No such file or 
directory: '/home/root/.Xauthority'


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Re: About Mplayer ´s source code for op enmoko

2009-03-18 Thread Jorge Chamorro

Antonio Fraga Ledesma wrote:

Hi all.

I need to develop an application in wich one i must control mplayer.
I´m looking for mplayer´s source code for openmoko.
I´d like to know if anyone knows where can I find it.

Furthermore, I'd like to know if there are APIs in mplayer source code
to control it easier.

Do you know the slave mode of mplayer ?

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/control.html

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Jorge Chamorro
Warren Baird wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the 
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of 
 people then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well 
 for them.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?
With my family on vacation trips we camp in a small van
I wanted to make a bed in the van and set it for that use
but did not know whether the structure withstand our weight
with the specifications of the materials on hand I try to find out that
I needed to apply Newton's second law

Force =  mass X acceleration

but I did not know what was the acceleration in normal use
and should do a stress test to

So I put my phone under the mattress and call my wife

We gather information from accelerometers

I'm sorry but I can not share that data


sorry for my English , the fault lies with google


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Re: Paroli Base

2009-01-12 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata
Jeremy Chang wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 09:40:03AM +0100, Mirko Lindner wrote:
 The Paroli Team wishes all of you a happy new year.

 Our last update was a while back but development continued and, despite 
 sickness, vacations, Christmas, New Year's as well as jet lags, a lot 
 has been accomplished.

 Most importantly, you can now find a paroli package in the testing 
 repository[1] which can be installed via opkg.

 The package[2] is at pre-alpha state but the main phone functions are 
 available and ready to be tested. Please note paroli is not considered a 
 daily phone app, yet. You will find it can be rather unstable at times 
 and might not always react the way you would expect ;) We hope that with 
 the help of the community and lots of hard work we can reach a state 
 where paroli can be considered reliable soon.

 Information on how to run and use paroli can be found here[3]

 We also have opened a new base for information, updates and bug tracking:
 http://www.paroli-project.org

 The main part is a blog which we will use to inform of small changes, 
 publish tutorials and interesting facts we discover along the road. The 
 page also contains a rough overview of our goals and how we plan to get 
 there, it is a bit scarce right now, but will be filled up 
 continuously. We are hoping for your input via mail, irc, chat or 
 comment fields on our blog.

 Our new bug tracker resides at http://www.paroli-project.org/trac . It 
 is rather virgin up to now so we encourage you to test paroli and note 
 your findings ;)

 We also moved our source repository which can now be found at:
 http://git.paroli-project.org/?p=paroli.git;a=summary [4]
 Execuse me?!  We changed from git.OM to here? 
 Why I don't know this anytime before?

Same opinion here. I had no idea about this. Is there a why?

  
 As you can see the paroli has great plans for 2009 and we hope some of 
 you will join us and follow our efforts.

 /The paroli Team

 [1]
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/

 [2]
 A rough overview about how this package differs from the last tichy package:

 Tichy migrated into paroli-core and is now a vital part of paroli.
 It is a slimmed down and more paroli focused version. Among other things 
 EFL is now the default graphical library and the starting process has 
 been optimized.Yaml was replaced with ParseConfig due to performance 
 issues.Plus lots of other small, nifty details.

 [3]
 http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/

 [4]
 checkout via git clone http://git.paroli-project.org/paroli.git

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Re: Voicenote - 3rd version - Can play wav files

2009-02-26 Thread Jorge Luis Chamorro
El mié, 25-02-2009 a las 15:15 +0100, kimaidou escribió:
 Hi list,
 
 I post here, again, to announce the release of the third version of
 Voicenote.
 Now 
 * you can play the wav files you have recorded with voicenote (or
 other wav files)
 * you go back the the 1st choice dialog (record or play?) after each
 action. To quit the script, click on the Cancel button.
 
 The page to read for more detail :
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote
 
I put your code into a python script from this page : 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Data_Logger
...


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Re: Voicenote - 3rd version - Can play wav files

2009-02-27 Thread Jorge Luis Chamorro
El vie, 27-02-2009 a las 09:08 +0100, kimaidou escribió:
 
 @jorge : great news ! I have read to python code, and I don't see
 where you specify the rate and quality of the recorded wav file ?
begin cut  paste info
def cbRecordStart(self, w):
dbg(cbRecordStart)
#os.system(arecord -r 8000 -c 1 -v -t wav `date
+/home/root/rec-m-%Y%m%d%H%M%S.wav` )
os.system(arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -r 8000 -t wav ~/voicenote_
$(date +%Y-%m-%d_%H-%M).wav )
os.system(alsactl
-f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/voip-handset.state restore)

def cbRecordStop(self, w):
dbg(cbRecordStop)
os.system(alsactl
-f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore)
os.system(killall -TERM arecord)  
end cut  paste info

 Other question : have you followed the discussion to merge the 2 other
 audio recording applications Monologue and Dictator ?
 
 Kimaidou
 
Note : English is not my native language ... ,be patient

Some time ago I go to a small city of my country (vacations) .
I plain to map this for openstreetmap .( there are a blank area)
This  city don't have good images from yahoo then I only can use
gps traces from my Neo . I use voice recording for this job. When
I return to home I join a lot o files and do the work. I can tell
you some conclusions about using voice recording for mapping. 

1) I drive my car and tap my Neo to set a POI ( point of intererest ) .
But there is no map at all from the zone then I put a POI in ever cross
of ways and I need to record (voice) the name of the streets and other
info. This work needs a separate screen with only a big button because
we can check the screen to often.
2) While I seting POIs tapping my neo I recording a big wav , but when I
return to home I need to correlate this info with my GPS traces.Second
recomendation : put full date and time to the filename of voice
recording to better correlation including SECONDS.
3) I allway record my gps traces because  I put this on inittab :
gp2:2345:respawn:/usr/bin/cgpxlogger -i 1  `date +/home/root/gps-%Y%m%d
%H%M%S.gpx | tee /var/run/gpslog`
But when I put all info into the openstreetmap editor (JOSM) the
starting time from .gpx and .wav are different and I need to make
adjustments . It's a lot more easy if we start at same time the
recording of both info. I put a killall cgpxlogger when I start the
recording of voice beacause in my config the process restart.
3b) additionally to previous recomendation if we don't  have a GPS fix
when we start to recording then we have problems later so check this
before start an inform.

I can check monologue because I make my try before but I like it.

Saludos , Jorge


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Re: Voicenote - 3rd version - Can play wav files

2009-02-27 Thread Jorge Luis Chamorro
El vie, 27-02-2009 a las 10:12 -0200, Jorge Luis Chamorro escribió:
.
 
 I can check monologue because I make my try before but I like it.
 
Errata :

I can't check monologue because I make my trip before but I like it.

 Saludos , Jorge
 
 
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