Le 27/01/2010 11:37, arne anka a écrit :
No one ?
only this: i never really got reiseplaner maps working with navit, they
used to crash always.
atm navit crashes with everything, both on my amd64 and the freerunner,
but i had not time so far to investigate further.
Le 28/01/2010 15:47, n...@el-hennig.de a écrit :
There is a bug open at navit's bugtracker about that :
http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/524
This is a regression since rev 2844. I'm personally using a rev26?? on
my FR, with reiseplanner maps, without this issue.
The patch in the ticket
Le 12/01/2010 13:51, Thomas HOCEDEZ a écrit :
Le 12/01/2010 12:42, David Garabana Barro a écrit :
- No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).
Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)
Ben moi je pourrais confirmer que j'ai pas de son, mais c'est
Le 12/01/2010 14:07, KaZeR a écrit :
Le 12/01/2010 13:51, Thomas HOCEDEZ a écrit :
Le 12/01/2010 12:42, David Garabana Barro a écrit :
- No sound during phonecalls (can't hear nothing on both sides).
Someone to confirm those bugs ? (this way I'll trac those points)
Apologies for my last
Le 09/01/2010 12:54, Noel a écrit :
I'm the only one who sees the **big** advantage of navit over
tangogps, as being able to work **offline**, with very-easy-to-get
maps? You said that tango is very fast and very efficient at
displaying your position. What's the use if the position is
Hi,
Le 08/01/2010 09:31, dehqan65 a écrit :
2 - In which issues Tangogps is better than Navit ?
IMO, they both serve different purposes.
Tango use raster maps. It's very fast and very efficient at displaying
your position and/or track on a raster map.
Navit use vector maps. Maps are drawn in
Hi,
For a brand new one, in France you can contact Bearstech, they are the
official reseller for France i believe.
But Pulster (in DE) might be cheaper.
Also, it might be worth having a look at eBay.
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Two issues today :
First start of launcher :
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ launcher
restoring state
db ver:35
showing window
starting dbus thread
Getting Calls data..
Segmentation fault
(i didn't touch anything in launcher's window).
I restarted it, and it worked. I sent a message, and when
I've been hitting a new issue :
- Conversation, new
- Select contact
- Default category is 'Family', which is empty yet.
- Hit 'Jump', select a letter
- Boom :
none
Segmentation fault
Maybe launcher should ask to sync, or sync by itself in that case?
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Warren Baird-2 (via Nabble) a écrit :
I really like the SMS conversation interface - however I'm having
trouble with it. When I try to send a reply to a conversation
launcher crashes and I see the following
Althought not being an expert, i would say that you need a more recent
version of
c_c wrote:
Hi,
Hmmm. There seems to be something odd here. The sms window _is_ closed
when the Del All button is pressed (since the last three binaries).
Mmm, weird indeed. Each time i downloaded your binary straight on the FR,
moved it to /usr/bin and chmod'ed +x it..
c_c wrote:
Hi.
Some weeks ago, i suggested that intone should request the bluetooth
ressource when using a BT headset, and you told me it was already done.
I made some tests this morning :
- start intone, by default mine is set to BT headset
- try to play a track : bluetooth doesn't get enabled, playback
So, i've been playing a bit with 0.38.
First issue : some messages were missing (i was able to read them with dbus
from the sim). I exited, relaunched launcher, and now the test message is
here, 3x
Second issue : i sent a message to myself, using dbus. I didn't receive a
notification, no sms 1
c_c wrote:
Can you rescan sms's from the configuration window and check? This
happens generally after a crash.
Will try.
c_c wrote:
KaZeR wrote:
Second issue : i sent a message to myself, using dbus. I didn't receive a
notification, no sms 1 icon on launcher's main page
Hi,
c_c wrote:
I guess I could use text boxes - dont know if that would be
significantly better. Probably the only thing that might be ok aould be a
genlist.
Anyhow, let me know if this binary helps.
Thanks.
Unfortunately, no. There is no more message like before, just
Ah, a new one :)
I sent a message, and got : *** glibc detected *** launcher: corrupted
double-linked list: 0x00328c28 ***
This thread had 18 messages.
By the way :
- when deleting all the thread view should be closed, imo
- when receiving a new message, the discussion view should be
c_c wrote:
Hi,
To be clear - the Please Wait.. message appears in the window title.
Both 21 SQL Error and 44 SQL Error should happen soon after start but
before the Please Wait ...
changes to Launcher.
Can you confirm that?
Thanks.
It might happen once or twice that i had
Fox Mulder wrote:
Which distro and which ssh daemon are you using on your freerunner?
And do you mean ssh to your freerunner or form it to another host?
First thing i did on debian and shr on my freerunner was to replace
dropbear with opensshd. And when i ssh into my freerunner, no
Some more tests :
- replying from conversation #1 (60 messages) : i type the message, press
send. I have the icon with the small timer, and after a few seconds : boom :
44 SQL error: 21 library routine called out of sequence
- reply to myself in a test conversation : works. And here i even get
c_c wrote:
Hi,
KaZeR wrote:
- replying from conversation #1 (60 messages) : i type the message, press
send. I have the icon with the small timer, and after a few seconds :
boom : 44 SQL error: 21 library routine called out of sequence
Wierd. I don't have threads at this stage
Hi.
KaZeR wrote:
You might have noticed that when you press ctr+c in a ssh term, the
process forks instead of breaking.
Why that? Is there a possible fix?
Thanks in advance.
Nobody noticed/has the issue, or nobody has a fix? (or maybe nobody cares :D
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Hi,
Have been too busy to get a release out - though I have squashed a few
bugs. Try the attached binary - that's the latest.
Thank you.
Unfortunately : 44 SQL error: 21 library
c_c wrote:
Hi,
Does this happen at startup?
Nop, it happens quite randomly, i haven't yet been able to pinpoint it.
Sometimes when i open a conversation, sometimes when i send a sms.
In this case, it seems that the message is marked as sent when in fact it
wasn't..
i've moved the
Hello there :)
I'm back from holidays.. Expect a new bunch of comments :)
And, thanks for this new release, c_c!
First issue i'm facing :
- opened a conversation
- clicked cancel to go back to the main conversation view
- boom :
59 SQL error: 21 library routine called out of sequence
Thank you for fixing thoses issues so fast.
This new binary is really usable now!
Another comment : when deleting a conversation, maybe you should ask for a
confirmation : this button is quite small and close to the other ones. And
when deletion is confirmed, the conversation view should be
c_c wrote:
Hi,
KaZeR wrote:
Do you plan to make a nice integration to switch to BT headset for calls?
Would be.. amazing.
If you have a paired bt headset, launcher should autoconnect the bt
headset for you on resume.
What for? Music playback or calls?
c_c wrote:
KaZeR
Two other comments :
- I'm not yet interested in the launcher feature. Would it be possible to
hide the categories? When i want to start an app i just prefer to switch to
illume launcher currently.
- The delete button on the main conversation view isn't really useful imo.
When you want to delete
Yet 2 other comments :
- version doesn't seem to be uptodate
- if something went wrong, the gui doesn't tell you, if you didn't start
from console you can't know
r...@om-gta02 /media/card/scripts $ launcher
restoring state
version:33
showing window
starting dbus thread
ERROR: failed to
In case it helps, for the can't reply issue : after replying, i don't see new
messages until i restart launcher.
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A few more, in case you already got bored ;)
- when selecting configure, exiting, you can't reselect configure unless you
select another item from the scrollbar at the bottom
- when setting the BT headset address, it's not displayed when you re-enter
the configuration screen later
-
c_c wrote:
Hi,
KaZeR wrote:
A few more, in case you already got bored ;)
:-D - Well, not even close...
hehe :)
c_c wrote:
KaZeR wrote:
- long-received messages are truncated, i can't see the end (instead i
see ??? at the end of the first part
They seem to work
I'm back :D
When sending a sms to a contact, from the contact list, who hasn't yet his
own discussion :
- after sending, you are back to the new message creation dialog. It should
either be closed, or you should be sent to the discussion view.
- when this contact replies, it leads to two
Another small idea : display, on the main conversation view, if the lastest
message was ingoing or outgoing. Useful to see if you're up-to-date in your
answers, since there is some free space in this screen.
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I'm having issues with the latest updates of SHR, so since yesterday i run a
freshly flashed image from 0808 without upgrades.
In that case, the launcher binary you posted earlier gives :
Updating SMS data..
process 1682: type array 97 not a basic type
D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so
Hi.
You might have noticed that when you press ctr+c in a ssh term, the process
forks instead of breaking.
Why that? Is there a possible fix?
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c_c wrote:
Hi,
KaZeR wrote:
Is it because of an outdated framework?
Yup, you'll need the latest SHR updates. WHat issues are you having -
things seem to be working fine for me.
It was related to the GSM device not being available. I haven't yet been
able to pinpoint why exactly
Hi,
The last one had issues sending sms's. This one works fine. I'm keeping
the newest sms's at the top of the list now. Hope that works fine too.
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3601418/launcher launcher
In fact, with this one i only see the latest received sms since i replied.
I received
Hi,
The last one had issues sending sms's. This one works fine. I'm keeping
the newest sms's at the top of the list now. Hope that works fine too.
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3601418/launcher launcher
Hi c_c.
I still have issues with that binary (af1b4f517dbc9bca6487b712d75c90a2
c_c wrote:
Hi,
Couldn't agree with you more. But, it seems like the edbus and gtk
bindings for dbus need to be updated to meet with the newer dbus
requirements - which means work upstream.
Wonder when that is going to happen. At least the message can be
subdued.
Do you know
Paul Fertser wrote:
KaZeR ka...@altern.org writes:
Or maybe it's like mms and bluetooth pairing/handling: people are
interested but don't make much noise about it cause it's nowhere
near functionnal right now..
Bluetooth pairing works flawlessly, bluetooth A2DP works, bluetooth
c_c wrote:
Hi,
KaZeR wrote:
cut but with the view scrolled to the bottom of the list.
Sure. Will implement it by this weekend.
Time is up!
Put down your pen, release your binaries :)
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c_c wrote:
Actually, I'm a little stuck since there is an issue in getting messages
from opimd with the latest updates. SMS is broken as of now - I was in the
middle of adding CSM support when this happened.
Are you talking of this issue?
nasty error wrote:
Updating SMS data..
Thanks for that, very useful, but why have you commented the fsoraw
dependency?
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c_c (via Nabble) a écrit :
Hi,
KaZeR wrote:
Are you talking of this issue?
Yup. Has been fixed today. Almost got Launcher working again. Should
release soon.
Great. I really like your messaging app, can't wait to get it back :)
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c_c wrote:
The video playing part needs a lot of work - and there aren't too many
people interested (or so it seems :-)
Or maybe it's like mms and bluetooth pairing/handling: people are interested
but don't make much noise about it cause it's nowhere near functionnal right
now..
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c_c wrote:
You need to change the message domain to sqlite-messages to use the
opimd services. Please do that and retry.
In fact try it with this binary.
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3566595/launcher launcher This has a couple of
fixes to prevent segfaults on some conditions like
Ah, forget my previous segfault report, i had a typo (-message instead of
Message) in frameworkd.conf, now it works.
But i have another suggestion : when replying, the view should be refreshed
to display the last message as being sent, it's not obvious currently.
Anyway, kudos!
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Olivier Migeot wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZthomas.hoce...@free.fr
wrote:
I will patch some other french FR the coming days. I'll ask to post
here.
Where in France are you doing this? I could all be very interested ;)
It's around Lille. A fix-party is
Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
tangogps (=mapnik) map looks better
tangogps map scrolls smoother faster
True, realtime-drawn maps on low power device like the FR can't compete with
bitmaps maps on these points.
Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
tangogps doesn't crash/freeze
It would be interesting
arne anka wrote:
And are you aware that you can store your OSD in a separate xml file
using xi:include?
no, but that's interesting.
far more interesting, though, would be to switch those layouts at runtime
...
I agree. But for now it's only planned. Patch welcome :)
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Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
On 8/26/09, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
Navit in revision 2520 is now in SHR unstable repo :)
Thanks Sebastian.
The whole point of the thread being : will it be kept up to date ? :)
Do you see something wrong in using
Christian Rüb wrote:
arne anka wrote:
hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
care to share? screenshot?
I am not sure if all OSD Layouts should be placed on OSD wiki page [1], so
i put it on my user page [2].
Scrrenshots here: [3] - I was missing the upload file link in
Pike-2 wrote:
Hi
hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
care to share? screenshot?
I am not sure if all OSD Layouts should be placed on OSD wiki page
[1], so i put it on my user page [2].
Actually, there is a page for examples there
Pike-2 wrote:
Hi
hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
care to share? screenshot?
Feel free to post the screenshot and OSD in the wiki, too.
Oh - ah - ok
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/Navit
I actually tried to upload this to the Navit
wiki, but they don't
arne anka wrote:
hand crafted OSD layout also very useful on my FR.
care to share? screenshot?
Feel free to post the screenshot and OSD in the wiki, too.
A landscape OSD layout could be useful. And are you aware that you can store
your OSD in a separate xml file using xi:include?
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Navit in revision 2520 is now in SHR unstable repo :)
Thanks Sebastian.
The whole point of the thread being : will it be kept up to date ? :)
Do you see something wrong in using nightly auto builds for SHR?
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using svn r2517 $HOME/.navit/navit.xml is used by navit again, there
seemed to be a bug in opk package as navit.xml in /usr/share/navit was
empty, too. Also speed seems to be the same for menus etc. One more
advantage of using [2]: deactivating map follows vehicle
Thomas White-2 wrote:
The binaries linked from that page are out of date - I'll update them
shortly if anyone's interested in this lazy option.
I am :)
Let's say that i'd like to blind test the other option :)
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The first builds of navit for android are now available here :
http://download.navit-project.org/navit/android/
Comments, bug reports and suggestions are welcome, either here or via
navit's tracker : http://trac.navit-project.org
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Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
My opinion is simple. Developer of app provides bb file (or asks
someone to write it) and then all distros provide that app in repo.
And that's all.
That's distro maintainers who should do packages, not app developers!
When app developers do packaging,
jeremy jozwik wrote:
morning all. i was just sitting here on my debian laptop, poking
around with tango gps. now my laptop does not have any sort of gps so
i get the no gps found deal at the bottom. that got me thinking, has
anyone setup there freerunner to act as a gps device for there
David Samblas Martinez wrote:
There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great
bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english
english version here
http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics
I'm working on the
I still have a minor issue with intone : if the link to the BT headset is
lost (out of range, no more battery) then intone would freeze. Not
convenient :)
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I had the same issue here, i had to reflash :(
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Nicola Mfb wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl
wrote:
Hello eveerybody, August 6th, 2009 Community Update is out!
Take a look at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-08-06
and contribute to the new draft at:
c_c wrote:
Hi,
Well, I find that while mplayer with the xglamo patches cant play flv
files - it does perform better. So I'm going back to that version of
mplayer.
Changes
* uses mplayer with xglamo support
* dbus support for
- incoming calls
- outgoing
Helge Hafting wrote:
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
On 8/4/09, Brock awwa...@thelackthereof.org wrote:
this actually difficult or is it a matter of nobody having the time /
care to do it?
I think noone cares. I don't need MMS at all,
Yes, we care. I don't send MMS myself, but others
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
On 8/6/09, Edder ed...@tkwsping.nl wrote:
AFAIK there is just no way to detect if phone supports MMS or not.
Binary message is sent, and when timeout is reached without
downloading message, SMS with info is sent. So Freerunner users can
still read their
I've never seen the video before, and i have to say i'm quite impressed.
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Hello list.
Has anyone succeeded / starting working on reading binary sms?
I have some of them sitting in my inbox, under SHR it's only displayed as
This is a binary message
Thanks in advance!
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Steven Le Roux wrote:
Yes I'm pretty sure this is the case. I got one receiving an mms.
But maybe Kazer wanted to ask if there is work to display mms...
(which are binary sms...)
Indeed, thoses are probably mms notifications, but i can't be sure.
When receiving this kind
The Digital Pioneer wrote:
Unfortunately, bluetooth calling support is preset but woefully
inadequate.
SHR will use it, but you have to restart some services (or reboot) to turn
BT on or off. Other than that, it works. Look at the 'Manually Using
Bluetooth' wiki page.
In fact you can
Another issue i noticed : intone's volume control has no effect when using
BT.
I tried with 0.60 and with a debug version which was posted here a few days
ago.
I'm currently upgrading to 0.61, i'll test in train tonight.
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Evgeniy Ginzburg wrote:
Dear all.
I've noticed that information about bluetooth headsets mono cum stereo
is spreaded over some different pages in OM wiki.
So I've collected all data I know to one [1] page made it look
prettier.
Please review this page and add all relevant to your
rusolis wrote:
2009/7/30 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm
Litephone beta1 is available here:
http://pvtrace.com/litephone/litephone_0.0.1-r2_armv4t.ipk
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I've tested litephone, and i like the concept behind it. Switching from
contacts to messages to phone logs is done in a breath. I also like the
possibility to change the volume during call, even if it's not done in the
cleaner way : at least, it works. Scrolling is a bit awkward at
Ah, i had a crash when updating a contact :)
INFO: Updating contact
INFO: New dbus call: org.freesmartphone.opimd
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Contacts org.freesmartphone.PIM.Contacts Query;
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without
pending_setup is deprecated and
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
Nooo, no GSM.SIM! That's evil :P I've implemented deleting messages
from SIM in opimd few days ago. With upgrade it should automatically
work in litephone.
Ah, apologies, then. Would you mind to enlight me about the right way of
doing it then? Is it
Helge Hafting wrote:
I installed on shr-unstable, killed ophonekitd, ran the registration
script and started litephone like this:
$ litephone style_sheet.conf
I believe that the style_sheet part isn't needed anymore, and instead you
can use other parameters (like demo, etc).
I
c_c wrote:
well other things when i return to settings page it says speaker and not
headphone :)
Hmmm. That's not right - will take a look.
I have the same issue : when opening the options menu it's always on
'speakers'.
I made some tests (well, in fact i listened for 1hour+ of
Al Johnson wrote:
On Friday 24 July 2009, William Kenworthy wrote:
I am using Qi to boot a gta02 to a flashed shr-unstable (not on SD)
It works ok, but after a few resumes it slows dramaticly due to verbose
printing to the screen. Is there a way to fix this?
With u-boot, I reduced the
Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:46 PM, The Digital
Pioneerdigitalpion...@gmail.com wrote:
My guess is
this is caused by a blip in the signal, which is a part of bluetooth
life,
and usually mplayer handles it by resetting the pipe.
An offtopic question:
Do you have a
I would recommend copying navit.xml to /home/root/.navit, because a package
upgrade could overwrite it. And it's a good idea to diff your xml against
the shipped one for updates from time to time.
Also, opkg's memory leak (or whatever was making it to eat 100% cpu and
memory) has been fixed (at
Marcel-2 wrote:
Am Freitag, 3. Juli 2009 01:40:08 schrieb Morten:
I agree, there's so many tricks that you just can't know them all by
yourself. They should be written down (or made the default)
Maybe making up some kind of a useful hints page would be good, where
every hint has
Jesus McCloud wrote:
KaZeR schrieb:
i made a fast theme package for shr. speed-up is quite noticable..
install instructions and screenies here:
http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/?p=54
(yes i want to spread the theme, becaus the more testers i have the
faster i can iron out bugs which
You can also find some sshots here :
http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/On_Screen_Display
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Hello list,
KaZeR wrote:
Ticket updated with info loglevel.
I also noticed that i had the ogsmd dbus service (checked with mdbus -s)
until i actually tried to access it (connecting to gprs via dbus). Then it
vanished.
Issue has been solved by 'dos'. It seems it was caused by a splitted
Hello list.
You might be interested in reading those pages :
http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD contains an example of the OSD
configuration i'm using on the FR.
http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit%27s_binary_map_driver
describes briefly navit's binfile maps.
I saw a post
Please see http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/492.
Attachements .log, .1.log, .2.log and .3.log were for yesterday.
I was able to read my messages yesterday evening.
Today, no luck.
I was able to use my phone only once (yesterday) in two weeks (and it's my
only phone).
I hope you guys can
KaZeR wrote:
Please see http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/492.
Attachements .log, .1.log, .2.log and .3.log were for yesterday.
I was able to read my messages yesterday evening.
Today, no luck.
I was able to use my phone only once (yesterday) in two weeks (and it's my
only phone
arne anka wrote:
I rebooted the phone, did nothing but waiting 23 minutes.
enable debug output and restart fso from shell (or add output to log
file).
I had a closer look at frameworkd.log, and found this : 2009.05.28
10:49:20.655 opimdERRORSIM-Contacts-FSO: Could
arne anka wrote:
I rebooted the phone, did nothing but waiting 23 minutes.
enable debug output and restart fso from shell (or add output to log
file).
Ticket updated with info loglevel.
I also noticed that i had the ogsmd dbus service (checked with mdbus -s)
until i actually tried to
Johny Tenfinger wrote:
opkg update; opkg upgrade
It's fixed for some time.
I did the update, and it's worse now : phone registers to the network, but
no sms, calls or gprs is possible. I updated the ticket
(http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/439).
Let me know if i should open
Hello list,
I've been facing an issue since a few days : i can't access my messagebook
under shr :
After some tests it seems to be related to an encoded sms which isn't well
handled by FSO. I've open a bug on their tracker
(http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/439), but i'd like to be able to
Vasco Névoa wrote:
I don't have much of a problem there... see this:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Configuration_for_a_higher_sampling_rate
However, you must remember that frameworkd sends a lot of
configurations into the chip, and it keeps talking to it, so it
jeremy jozwik wrote:
navit will not start.
navit:navit_init:no gui
navit:main:Using '/home/root/.navit/navit.xml'
navit:main:No instance has been created, exiting
Hi Jeremy,
Which version of navit are you running? Where did you get it from?
From your log, it's clear that it wasn't able
Hello list,
I also noticed last time i tried that i wasn't able to filter GPLL, GPGSA
and friends using the ubxgen script from the wiki.
Is it related?
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David Samblas Martinez wrote:
2009/5/5 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi:
The community work seems to be slowing down now (because of the
summer?) and the the community doesn't seem to be pushing together for
One Working Distro. We have about 15 distributions around but as far
as I know (I
Angus Ainslie-2 (via Nabble) a écrit :
On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 01:04 -0700, KaZeR wrote:
I'll try to test OM2009 soon, because, you're right, it needs user
feedback.
But i didn't really want to wipe my working phone.
You could always use the .tar.gz on an sd card ( It boots way
The Digital Pioneer wrote:
Yeah, I was afraid that would be the case. No matter, when I reject a
call,
it's easy enough to close the missed call message. If you ever find a way
to
do it, though, perhaps a config option is in order.
Maybe it's worth asking FSO for a different event?
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