Re: tangoGPS, a new gps mapping software for the Neo
index.php/User:Onion/MapperMarcus Bauer ha scritto: Hello, I wrote tangoGPS, a small but fast gps and mapping software for Openmoko/Neo. It uses openstreetmap.org maps, downloading them on demand and caching them. You can drag the map, zoom in and out and see your current position and track if a gps signal is available. Looking at the demos it seems to be a rellay good project, the support for the OSM maps is good, but what about integrating support for libgarmin as navit does to allow using also free and commercial garmin maps (of course, waiting OSM to grow)? Bye! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...
JW ha scritto: On 24/02/2008, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found dasher to be very usable with a mouse. Well, after few minutes of use I felt more confortable with it, but I'm always slower (I think) than using other mobile inputs... Anyway while writing in english with it was much easy for me, it wasn't so with italian language (try to write the easy Ciao :o), so maybe the localized dictionaries should be improved (maybe simply with use?). 2) how did you get dasher to work on the desktop to try out.i tried on desktop (ubuntu 7.10) sudo apt-get install dasher but there was an error at run time That worked for me, btw I'm using feisty :/. Btw, we're talking of Dasher in Openmoko, but... Has it been ported? Because I don't know if it is so slow to use in a device with no 2d hardware acceleration... Bye -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
David Pottage ha scritto: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. In Italy it's 20%, not the best, but reading I discover that it isn't neither the wrost! :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Picture Viewer geocaching
David Samblas Martinez ha scritto: To be able to do this a gps traker log has to be recorded previously on the neo (for sure this will be a default feature on the neo) , the digital camera has to be time syncroniced with the neo (any digital camera can change his hour/date in the setup) and that's all!!!, because there is software already developed and GPLed that can do the rest I do think it's a good idea... Btw maybe the openmoko could be used only to get the gpx files durning photo-days and then using softwares like the ones you mentioned (also digikam does the trick!) to set the right position...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea of a voice mail application
siaPeter Trapp ha scritto: Hi everybody, I thought about the possibility of a voice mail installed on the neo. The idea is to let the application decide if you are reachable for the caller or not. The decision will be done on profiles (time, who is calling, what to do (let it ring or answer directly) ). Eg: Saturday 10:00pm and your boss is calling (and you have a signal) Neo is aware that it is weekend and who is calling. It just turns on the voice mail... Dear Boss, actually it is weekend and I just don't want to get some work right now. Sorry, my neo will not even inform me that you've called. So don't try again later. It would not help until Monday 9am! Have a nice weekend --- without the possibility to leave a message ;) Cool, but your caller will pay for this.. So maybe it won't be so happy :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea of a voice mail application
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto: In italy the caller will pay for the call but the recipient no, as a recipient if the caller will leave the message on the carrier message box (don't know how to translate, pardon) i have to call it and listen the messages in a slw and bad way, paying for the call. Well, yes! But now the caller can avoid to pay to leave a message to the carrier (he has just to stop the call). With a local answer machine he couldn't! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)
Andy Green ha scritto: Somebody in the thread at some point said: - charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h) - charge from intelligent host: 500mA (1-2h) - charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (1h) This is pretty accurate Joerg but on this last one the total current drawn from the adapter is limited to 1A max by the PMU. So we charge at ~700mA or so the rest goes to power the device. Ok about charging, but what's exactly now the status of discharging on GTA02 devices? I mean... How long is actually running a (pre-)Freerunner without charging it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)
Andy Green ha scritto: Depends on what you're doing with it... is the backlight on all the time... making a call... I can't give you a straight answer because I didn't examine this yet. Instead I spent all my time around power consumption looking to optimize suspend current since that can involve circuit changes. That's reasonable... Btw I know that the neo is more a computer than a phone, so its power compsumation depends much on what you're doing with it; btw let's consider it only just as a phone, and so I'm curious about the two standard values that generally vendors claim: standby time and conversation time. For suspended time with GSM modem off we have the consumption down to ~2mA and I expect that will improve further by software changes, so on a 1200mAh battery like we ship maybe it can last 20 days (unverified!) doing nothing at the moment. With GSM modem on in suspend maybe 5 days Ok, 5 days of standby time is quite good, but could it be greater? I've heard that the iPhone, for example, has a standby-time really much long... Whatever the figure is for usage time it will change by a factor of 5 or 10 depending if you run the GSM transmitter, wifi, CPU is always busy, GPS, and the worst suspect the backlight, so you need to define exactly what you do with the device during this usage to get a meaningful figure. Of course... Btw I think that my average day usage will be something like: GSM always working, wifi for about 1 or 2 hours, some sms (1 or 2) and calls (about half hour). In such conditions, do you have an idea about how much will the neo stay up? I'm also figuring another usage-way while traveling using both the GSM on standby and the GPS up (with a maps software): any idea about this? Bye -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...
Karsten Ensinger ha scritto: I am afraid, I have to admit that I have NOT tried the Trolltech stuff at all. Maybe because I thought I would deceive the openmoko movement by trying other stuff on the Neo. ;-) I will give it a try until next weekend and will change my mind if it is as cool as you claim. Ok, we're waiting for your report...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iphone-haptic
Andrea Debortoli ha scritto: It's an hard thing to tell if it could be useful or not...it's a totally new feature (I've never seen something similar), and I think we can evaluate it with practical test only. I've an old iFeel Logitech mouse with haptic support (vibrate on actions). Under Linux I only got it vibrate, but I was planning to make it interact also with the xserver actions, maybe this work should be used by Openmoko too... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see
Jeff Andros ha scritto: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: like pidgin for im support of any kind. Now *that* is a cool idea :) probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom front-end Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc I was thinking that maybe the same way should be used for chatting (and maybe more) with skype clients until an openmoko version of skype will be relesed (maybe based on that for Nokia maemo) since the closed (blah...!) skype client supports has API that maybe could help us! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio wired Headset
ian douglas ha scritto: Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Gilles Casse: Is it possible to buy a new audio wired headset from OpenMoko.inc? Otherwise, where can we get one please (OpenMoko distributor?). I mentioned to Michael at SCALE 2008 that having a 'store' where we could buy stray parts, like batteries would be a great idea. He mentioned too that selling just the debug board with JTAG connectors, etc., would make a lot of sense too. I simply agree... JTAG for example, could be needed for standard users only after bricking the device, and new/extra batteries will be needed soon! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....
joerg ha scritto: I'm investigating to squeeze some multi-touch properties out of the GTA02 4wire-resistor touchscreen, by hacking the basics and probing the ts in a couple non-recommended completely different manners. There still is a little hope... What's your hope exactly? Do you have some secrets to share? :P However this is not meant to distract attention from discussion of a true multi-ts for GTA03. I think this should be a capacitive one. I do agree... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....
Federico ha scritto: So... where are those usecases that apply to a phone? maybe pressing the shift key for typing uppercase letters :P Not so useful imho... We don't write so quickly on small-screen based devices to need a combination-input. For istance, the iPhone has not a such feature (its ultra-sensitive [bad] keyboard only takes a touch a time also for the shift key). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Multi-touch: Many questions to one desire....
Ortwin Regel ha scritto: If there will ever be a dedicated OpenMoko gaming device, it needs a multitouch screen. Well, yes I think it won't be possible to run games with an on-screen virtual gamepad as the iPhone/iPodTouch does. Do I am wrong? However, with a phone, even if it is a fully featured pocket computer, I can't think of many things where it would be useful, either. Zooming and rotating should be very doable with one finger and some thinking. In fact, much of this thinking was already done on this list months ago. I do agree, but for me these rotate and resize features imho aren't so needed as soon they're cool to see. Also using a touch-only screen they don't loose their usability: the resize, mostly, could be done simply with a scroll, while the rotation using the gimp-way (put a placeholder on the rotating fulcrum tapping, then use a finger dragging the image...). I can't find more things that really need a multi-touch screen, since I won't paint on it and I neither will do a collaborative work... :P Then I'd like to know more infos about *tapping* in Neo. I mean, in my notebooks with Synaptics touchpads I can easily use more than a finger to play some useful actions like: - Left clik with a finger tapping - Middle clik with two fingers tapping - Right clik with three fingers tapping - Vertical / Horizontal scroll with two fingers sliding [1] Well, are these features available on GTA02 too? In fact, if the answer would be yes, we could easily use the multi-fingers tapping/scrolling features to control the phone in a more comfortable way (for example allowing right-clicks no more pressure-time based, or allowing operations on images like the ones I mentioned above). Bye Treviño [1] http://tinyurl.com/2sawey (iMac like) PS: That's so strange (and funny), today exactly few minutes before the topic was started I wandered about multi-touching in Neo and how it was used in iPhone, reading and looking much of resources... :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iPhone Acquired!
kenneth marken ha scritto: On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:08:02 ian douglas wrote: If I recall, the iPhone is a 3G phone, but only uses EDGE on 3G, the slowest speed. I have a friend with an iPhone, I'll ask if I can borrow his SIM to see if it'll connect to ATT on my Neo later this week. i would not call EDGE 3G. it is a improvement on the GRPS system, that again is built on top of GSM. In fact, generally, it's called 2.5G :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02v6: any rumor?
It has been mentioned on svn logs: http://tinyurl.com/2wfsmk What will be the differences with GTA02v5? Maybe also echo audio fixes [1]? I'm becoming every day more curious about this new device...! :P [1] http://tinyurl.com/2j5ca7 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.7 is out - lots of improvements
Marcus Bauer ha scritto: On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 01:37 +0100, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Looking at the demos it seems to be a really good project, the support for the OSM maps is good, but what about integrating support for libgarmin to allow using also free and commercial garmin maps (of course, waiting OSM to grow)? I'll have a look into supporting garmin or other maps, but is for now not on the top of my todo list - unless there is plenty more request for this. And hey, don't *wait* for OSM to grow, but *do help* it grow ;-) Well, yes... I'll be happy to help OSM too, but since GPS devices are born to help people to move, I think that it's important to have an useful application learning from it instead of making it to learn! :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: hand charger for neo
Robin Paulson ha scritto: i spend a fair part of my time away from power points/computers and having recently got a hand-crank powered torch, i realise this would be the way to go for re-charging my neo. I've one too... I've some connectors for commercial phones, but I don't know how I could use it for my future neo... I've just a two-pin jack-like port... Any idea? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Wi-fi on Neo FreeRunner
mac2k ha scritto: If planning on using a FreeRunner as phone over WiFi you're better off finding some SIP VoIP provider than using Skype with its's proprietary protocol. Why use closed software if the open source alternative could do a better job. I do totally agree with this, btw a skype client could be useful to contact friends (both by voice and by chatting) that are using the skype client on different platforms. I use skype really few times, but I must admit that is the easier way to talk with a friend using (a bad and proprietary implementation of) VoIP. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and accessories design
Michele Renda ha scritto: As attachment there is an image that explain better my idea (png format) Really cool... I had this idea too some weeks ago :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and accessories design
Andy Green ha scritto: You're right, alternatively one with a short cable. Really this should be part of the kit since you just can't actually use USB host without it. I'm very happy to read this...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko at OpenExpo
Alexandre Ghisoli wrote: We have seen the Freerunner working; it's quite fast and responsive with a funny lock screen saying something about an Fruit Phone. No videos for us? :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: where The SMS message save?
Magnus Alvestad ha scritto: They are saved in evolution files in the root home directory. I don't remember the exact path, but it's something like: ~root/.evolution/memos/memos.evo Since When I'll have a freerunner I'd like to import my SMSs saved in my actual mobile, I'd like to know the exact syntax too... Do you have some examples to post? Thanks! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: where The SMS message save?
Andy Green wrote:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Do you have some examples to post?
Thanks!
I didn't know any of this until Magnus said, but it seems it is like
this, additional texts appear between additional BEGIN:VJOURNAL /
END:VJOURNAL
# cat /home/root/.evolution/memos/local/system/journal.ics
BEGIN:VCALENDAR
CALSCALE:GREGORIAN
PRODID:-//Ximian//NONSGML Evolution Calendar//EN
VERSION:2.0
BEGIN:VJOURNAL
UID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DTSTAMP:20080309T150537Z
CREATED:20080309T150538
DTSTART:20080309T150537Z
SUMMARY:T-Mobile
LAST-MODIFIED:20080309T150654
DTEND:20080309T150538Z
LOCATION:+44753XXX
DESCRIPTION:Your tariff is Everyone. To switch between Mates Rates\,
Everyone Text Appeal pay as you go tariffs dial 146 free from the UK
follow the instructions
CATEGORIES:Read
END:VJOURNAL
... (more texts) ...
END:VCALENDAR
-Andy
Thanks... Just one thing: how is generated the UID data?
It seems something like:
UID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, how is calculed what I called ${id}?
Thanks again...
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Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto: 1) The Freerunner IS free, there are only some firmware things that aren't open and that never will be open but they are only firmware, even your PC run something which is not open source (BIOS, graphic card firmware, cdrom firmware, every kind of firmware you got is generally closed.) I do agree with this... Btw imho all the words written in this thread are due to only one thing: the lack of communication by the FIC developers (the hardware ones first of all, but also the software ones). I think they mostly talk with their code, but the most part of the community doesn't really know what they're doing and what is really happening in Taiwan. That's why this thread started! So, imho not to loose credibility FIC/Openmoko should have a better relationship with its followers relasing more informations both about the project status and about the future plans. Don't you agree? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Michael Shiloh ha scritto: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The A6 specs/changes from previous version are only these [1] ?! Just to know... Thanks! [1] http://tinyurl.com/35j4gw -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Andy Powell wrote: 400USD != 400EUR If this is an indication of the pricing for Europe, please arrange for some European versions to get shipped to the USA where we can buy them and have them shipped to Europe. I do agree with you...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Andy Powell wrote: TRIsoft 399$ would make 257 EUR TRIsoft Shipping from China / Taiwan / US appr. $70 to Europe TRIsoft is $469, makes 302 EUR TRIsoft plus 19% VAT is 360 EUR for a self import at the actual price. Well, I don't think that a seller buys the shipping of each phone $70... Maybe they'll pay that for 10 phones... Am I wrong?! So there you have it. I still have an issue with the shipping, I see no reason why European customers should effectively pay for shipping twice. Let's hope that companies like TRIsoft get their shipment direct from China rather than having to reship from the USA. I hope there will be something like this...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Further details of theprocess as we ramp up production of Freerunner
Michael Shiloh wrote: If the community would like, I will update them on each and every stage. (I've already answered yes for all of you :-) Ehehe... I think you couldn't say differently :). We're all waiting for DVT news, so! :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Ivo Anjo wrote: Yeah, I agree, lack of usb host cable sucks, it is one of my favorite features. I agree too, btw it's a few-euros device... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Ugo Raffaele wrote: I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to test the AGPS reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! Mhmmh... This might be a great problem... I heard/understood a completely different thing about the Neo LCD! Anyway I won't change my buying plans, but I'm quite disappointed about this :/. I like sunny days! :D -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: video/graphics on GTA02
rakshat hooja wrote: 1) will 30 fps VGA res playback be possible? 2) will it be possible to have 2d transition effects (like MAC OS/ Vista) be possible on the GUI without noticiable wait times. 3) Is any form of 3D acceleration support possible in the future for games? I had those questions too, I think that when 3D specs of the Glamo chip will be available, it will be possible to make some 3D-accelerated tasks, but I've no idea about the performances of this chip. Anyway I don't think it's so great... More than games I'd be intrested on some (simple) compositor-based effects, but of course I'd like to have also 3D games :P (think to Neverball used with accelerometers!!!). I'm waiting for more informations... Bye! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: video/graphics on GTA02
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I had those questions too, I think that when 3D specs of the Glamo chip will be available, it will be possible to make some 3D-accelerated tasks, but I've no idea about the performances of this chip. Anyway I don't think it's so great... Looking at the smedia develpers page [1] there are two examples of 3D games that, I hope, should work on glamo chips. They're not so simple, and... One of these is Neverball itself :P. Anyway I think that the 3D support of the chip has not started yet (does it need some Mesa hack, isn't it?!) so maybe we've to wait some time for it (what about developing this durning GSoC!?). Bye [1] http://www.smediatech.com/developer.htm -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
joerg wrote: AFAIK, the BL-?C will fit and power the device, but like bat for GTA01 they have no telemetry (smart bat). So you won't get a bat-fuel-indicator with nokia bat. Charging isn't quite tested i think. That's an important thing imho...! Then I've read a thread on the kernel list some time ago and the lasting time of the non-FIC batteries was quite lower! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More than a phone with a GPS navigator
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: * Track recall: if the device stores all your movements (or a rough list of areas visited) for the last few days, you could recall where you've been, when you came somewhere and when you left, which is sometimes handy. This includes finding that place again if you don't remember the way. Could also be used by sales agents, couriers etc to automatically report where they've been. You posted many intresting ideas, but this one should be well implemented since it could infringe your privacy! So maybe this could be applied if there's a kind of encryption of the data saved, or better, a full disk filesystem encryption :P. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Alessandro Iurlano wrote: Anyway I accept the idea of using commercial apps/maps until there's nothing of usable for free and freely, since generally such tools become useful when we're traveling in unknown places, and so that we can't map on OMS without the help of others! If everyone thinks this way, there will never be an usable OSM. What's wrong? I've said that I will help OSM to grow doing my part in mapping the areas I know and where I'll go, but if I'll need to travel where I've no maps, why couldn't I use a commercial map I've bought (running on free software)? OSM won't grow if people will definitely use commercial maps, not if they use them as a temporary tool! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Alessandro Iurlano wrote: My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same service. That's untrue for me: also if sometimes I started using a closed tool, I always looked for an open one as replacement (also if it was missing of some features). For example, when I put linux in my actual notebook there was no working free 3d drivers for my ATi card, but I needed 3d functionalities (and sometimes you can't simply not to use a thing since there's no a free software for it, unfortunately) so I had to use the fglrx drivers for some time; anyway I was always following the r300 project waiting for a working driver (and trying to help them with bug reports and so...). BTW as soon as a working 3d driver has been pushed on git I've immediately switched to the free/open solution also if it was (at the beginning) harder to use, slower and missing of some features. This is just an example, but it is similar to the mapping thing. I'll have no problem to use commercial maps at the beginning if I *need* to travel un _unknown places_, but as I've said I'll take my part in helping OSM. My understanding is that the development of free projects is started and driven by a need. If needs are fulfilled by another program, the effort that is put in developing the free project lowers considerably. If you look at the example above, this is wrong: in drivers the efforts have grown and many people switched to the open solution. I really look forward for an Openmoko application able to display and let me update OSM (by gathering gps data or directly on the road). I'll be happy to see something like that too... Another thing... I don't think that in Italy (and other countries I guess) all the municipalities have digital map archives of their roads (or simply of their environment) since some cities like Arezzo (my province) had to organize an (official = launched by the municipality itself) OSM mapping party with people moving around with GPS devices [1] to map their environment (and I neither know how are actually managed the informations in local cadastres). So this would make the things harder, since in many countries it won't easily happen what has happened in Holland. :( [1] http://tinyurl.com/2wpvcp -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car charger to GTA02
Michael Shiloh ha scritto: A generic solution can be built this way: 1. Locate a generic USB car charger e.g. http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=10892. Make sure it can supply at least 1A. Note in my example that the specs don't say this, but if you look at the picture carefully you can read the 1A on the label. They are very common. I think I found one for less than $2.00. 2. Purchase a standard USB A to Mini B cable,e.g. http://www.cablesforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=14660. These too are common. I have about 4 left over from digital cameras. You can probably get them for free by asking your friends and relatives. 3. Carefully slice open the cable and solder in the appropriate resistor between the appropriate conductors (someone needs to document this) Why not simply connecting the official Openmoko usb cable to the car usb charger? Will it need the mod you've figured at the point 3? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Mike Baroukh wrote: Very good Idea ! just : if it has been stolen, the sim card will be changed. So may be, each time the sim card is changed, an sms could automatically be send to another number (so you have the new phone number and can continue to communicate with it ...). Or, if gprs works, maybe a post can be made to a server ... Of course, with GPS position, if available! Just a question: can I have a passive GPRS connection: I mean, I call my or newer number asking it to connect to somewhere... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Michele Renda ha scritto: When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off the phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will change the internal sim, before to turn on it. Well, this is true but sending data on next power-on could help. BTW, here we're talking about stealing; this is an important issue, but thread talked generally about loosing, so I think that we should first implement non-paranoia features that simply you could use when you can't find your phone but it's alive and ringing (reachable via GPS at least). I think (hope) it will be more used than an anti-theft feature. About data securyt... I've already mentioned, but isn't there a way to use an encrypted filesystem by default on Openmoko? Actually they perform like the standard filesystems [1], but they would give us more security if someone has taken our phone and he wants to access to our data. Another gain of using a such thing would be that we don't need to create a security feature for each used application. Of course, I guess there's a bad thing: if you have an already running phone you can't block the user to access to some data (am I right, isn't it?). [1] http://tinyurl.com/657wmo -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Loosing your moko
Michele Renda ha scritto: According you is possible to prepare it with an qemu emulated system? Or is necessary to have the true hardware? AFAIK you can simply install Openmoko stack in any hardware, also in a standard PC, simply follow the wiki [1]! [1] http://tinyurl.com/6bkfpj -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: customized CPE - Android Openmoko
Marcus Bauer wrote: For all those who have missed it out, there is a company named Koolu which is going to sell the Neo with Android. [1] CTO of Koolu is Jon 'maddog' Hall, quite a well known personality. As another note, they just changed availability for developers from March to June. Thus if Openmoko gets the phone out in April, they still need more time for Android. [1] http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html How is this possible? Android actually requires an ARMv5 CPU [1], while both neo and freerunner have an ARMv4 CPU [2]! Any plans about releasing the source code of Android any time soon? [1] http://tinyurl.com/ytutln [2] http://tinyurl.com/2ngo8u -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
Marcus Bauer wrote: The current browser is based on webkit and has Javascript, DOM etc. However, the CPU is to slow and the screen to small. Much more fun is 'links' which does have a graphics mode and simply ignores most CSS. But it is blazingly fast and many pages are better readable with it - thanks to the fact that most websites have no longer table based layout but a div based. Thus pages get simply shown sequentially - one div after the next. Even wikipedia becomes very readable on the small screen. I'd like to have something like the browser that iphone has, btw those are my few suggestions [1]. Is this possible? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
interesting you mention this. i actually thought of using aspell as the core of
a probability and correction matching engine, but as such it's api isn't
sufficient to use it.
That was my idea/hope too...
so anyway- aspell would have been great - it'd offload the matching to a
library designed for this kind of stuff, but alas, it's api is not sufficient,
so i need to do a custom one. :(
I agree with your ':('... :P
BTW maybe the aspell data (dictionaries) could be used, isn't it? I hope
it will be possible to have some compatibility with it since it's the
most used correction tool on open systems, and this would allow to use
the many resources that are already available for it without creating
them (again) from scratch.
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Re: Product Update
steve ha scritto: Moved onto the next stage PVT. Verifying the design for Production. This stage is always a bit annoying Because the temptation is to throw the switch and build a billion phones. There are three PVT builds scheduled And the first has been completed. The completed handsets will be tested and then we will tweak the process and build two more PVT batches. It's the final push people so everybody keep your good humour. My humor is more than up, btw how much should these tests last if all goes as expected? :P Thanks! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web Browser?
ewanm89 wrote: On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:07:27 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: The current browser is based on webkit and has Javascript, DOM etc. However, the CPU is to slow and the screen to small. Much more fun is 'links' which does have a graphics mode and simply ignores most CSS. But it is blazingly fast and many pages are better readable with it - thanks to the fact that most websites have no longer table based layout but a div based. Thus pages get simply shown sequentially - one div after the next. Even wikipedia becomes very readable on the small screen. I'd like to have something like the browser that iphone has, btw those are my few suggestions [1]. Is this possible? Webkit is the rendering engine of safari (including iphone version). I knew this, that's why I asked if it was (easily) possible :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Speeding up browsing and lightening the traffic load
Mikko Rauhala ha scritto: ma, 2008-04-07 kello 11:24 +0200, Erland Lewin kirjoitti: IMHO, the Opera Mini design (compressing and optimizing web pages before sending them to the phone) is excellent, because it saves traffic (=money) and speeds up loading. I'm not aware of any open source alternative with the same design. Over the last weekend, I've been working a bit on a prototype proxy doing streaming html/xml diffs (dubbed mldiffs) based on a shared cache, largely as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy I've found a video about links2 in OpenMoko [1]. It seems cool, but not exactly usable with fingers (neither with stylus, really!). [1] http://tinyurl.com/5uexmp -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life on GTA02
Alexander Frøyseth ha scritto: Helo What is the current battery lifetime on GTA02? I was asking this too in other lists, but there unfortunately are no official/semi-official/unofficial reports from any of the GTA02 owners yet. This is an important issue, but I've not read so many words... :/ And how long lifetime is expected when it is done? According to the wiki [1] the expected battery life is: attery life (Approximation/Ideal Target) Standby time 150-200 Hrs (GSM) (GSM) Talk time (Backlight off) Up to 3-4 hrs(GSM) This seems enough to me, but it should be confirmed... BTW I'd like to know also the battery life of the Freerunner with GPS+GSM (I hope it will last enough for travelling) and WiFi+GSM (well, I'd need about 5-6 hours/day). [1] http://tinyurl.com/6aq7tz -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Who is who ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: As many people, I guess, I sometime wonder if a certain person answering a question on this mailing list or an other is trustful or not. To exactly know who is who, I propose to make a list of members on the wiki. Cause I didn't found such a page, I created one (Sorry if it already exists) So, I invite all of you to register on the list : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Whoiswho Finally someone did it, I was wondering if there was a way to know who is really a fic/openmoko man... Another thing that could help us is the singnature on mailing lists! I hope that the VIP of this community will add themselves to the the wiki...! :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Smart LCD birght/dim...
Since Freerunner won't have an hardware light sensor to set its LCD brightness, I got some ideas about smartly changing the luminance of the GTA02 screen to save its battery (still with an unknown life time :/). Of course they aren't and never will be precise as an hardware sensor is, but it's the only thing we have: 1) Setting the brightness following the hour of the day: also if the phone can't know if it's sunny or cloudy, neither if you're indoor or outdoor, it's clear that just knowing the hour of the day, the date and your latitude (to be set once via GPS) the phone can easily know when the sun will rise and set, and so it will be possible increasing or reducing the LCD brightness. Also if you're indoor, I guess that when the sun is gone you won't need so much luminance... 2) Using personal profiles that follow your habits: you could define, for each hour of each week day the presumed luminance, using something like a calendar. I mean, if on working-days I generally stay indoor every day from 8:30 to 13:00 and from 15:00 to the 19:00 I figure that on these intervals I don't need all the LCD power, so I'll set in my calendar that on such interval I'll be indoor... I guess that many of you would follow a routine durning the week, why don't educate your phone for it!? 3) Setting the luminance following the weather. Of course I've no light sensors, neither a barometer :P, but if I've a working connection available I could use the weather data downloaded every few minutes (60, for example) from internet to change my screen brightness (of course merging these informations with points 1 and 2) What do you think about them? I do think that they are really simple to implement, and that also if they won't guarantee a perferct result, they could be a smart workaround. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next costumers location
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano ha scritto: What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where do you live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take the advantage to buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each one who was accorded. Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco (usual name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on for 10 people)... So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize the cost of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price. I agree, btw I think that it will be cheaper also if on a city we can't group 10 people, simply we'll order on the most requested city, and from there we'll ship to other buyers... Standard shipping in Italy should be just 8€ more: that's definitely lower than 30$ :P... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Smart LCD bright/dim...
Ops... Sorry for the title typo :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
ramsesoriginal ha scritto: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin Sounds interesting. The only problem is user education.. but if it works this could be a really good input method for finger input! Mhmhmh I've tried the two demos (with mouse, of course), but I've some problems in writing on it... Expecially some lateral chars aren't writtable to me... To write a c, for example, I've to make many tries, and I guess they should be really more using a finger. I've read no docs, where am I wrong in? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
Ajit Natarajan wrote: A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector. It is a sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen. When affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off. I also planned to buy some screen protectors for the freerunner... Reading comments on the net I've heard that the best ones are the Brando (they've a site shipping worldwide, but I can't find it now) anyway I don't really know if it's an hoax or not... BTW since the Openmoko phones aren't commercial phones, to find the screen protector with the right size (or something bigger), I'd need to know which other phone/PDA has the same screen size of the Freerunner. Do you have advices for this? Thanks! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next costumers location
Federico Lorenzi wrote: I agree, btw I think that it will be cheaper also if on a city we can't group 10 people, simply we'll order on the most requested city, and from there we'll ship to other buyers... Standard shipping in Italy should be just 8€ more: that's definitely lower than 30$ :P... ... Not for long! Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from Usa or Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think that you gain really more than 30$-8€ ;) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quikwriting
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: ramsesoriginal ha scritto: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across. http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html There have been positive comments towards it on the list before. Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :) Ortwin Sounds interesting. The only problem is user education.. but if it works this could be a really good input method for finger input! Mhmhmh I've tried the two demos (with mouse, of course), but I've some problems in writing on it... Expecially some lateral chars aren't writtable to me... To write a c, for example, I've to make many tries, and I guess they should be really more using a finger. I've read no docs, where am I wrong in? I've given a short look to the docs and now it's clear how to write in... :P So, now I can agree with ramsesoriginal and the others who appreciate this systems: it can easily be used for quick finger writing! Btw, imho we should try to find another letter ordering :P. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: warranty
Alexander Frøyseth ha scritto: What are the warrenty? I figure that in Europe, if you buy regulary from a seller, it will be included in the extra-price you'll have to pay here (that includes VAT, battery recycling, warranty and more...). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Lowell Higley ha scritto: 1) include the custom (closed) cable or at least make it an option I do agree with this... Also if the cable is sold only by Openmoko it should be there, since it's a so important thing for using the phone as a standard phone (I not always have my PC around, and neither I should have electronics knowledge to build my own cable). If some people doesn't agree with its philosophy, he could simply choose not to include it on the pack, or simply, to resell it... Imho it would be a too closed view, btw! 2) ensure the manual includes that a standard USB cable will work. Be sure to list the limitations of said cable. (I think the wiki has this but it needs to be in the docs that go with the phone.) Ok, this could be a workaround, but just a workaround for me... 3) publish the pinout / construction of the custom cable. Maybe publish the BOM and your source of those items. Perhaps a 3rd party could make a small ebay fortune out of this item. Of course for keeping up our idea and to help who loves self-making you'll have absolutely to publish these informations! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
steve ha scritto: This is a very difficult issue. . Let me Nutshell it. Imho, not so much! 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. [CUT] Some people philosophically believe we shouldn't do custom chargers. So, I get to sort through this. But to begin with the early adopters, the developers. This is a too restricted view imho, but I respect it. Anyway I simply think that the custom chargers aren't so bad if you publish their specs. Also the freerunner itself is a custom/non-standard device but people simply is waiting for it! Who buy the phone first, will get a fast charger. Ok, I hope to be one of these so, but I really think that you shouldn't add this limitation (especially if you hope to sell Freerunner also to people actually addicted to this community). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
steve ha scritto: Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision. We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your feedback I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are: - AC Charger (better if custom) - Headset (with mic?) - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!) - Stylus Optional: - MicroSD - USB Cable - Lanyard -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
Jose Luis Perez Diez wrote: I Use a A4 sheet of laser printer for overhead projectors film. I printed a grid 46 mm x 60mm on the sheet the I cut the protectors on demand. They fit nicely if the are inserted first on the left side of the neo. That kind of sheets are generally thicker, but how they look on the screen? Are they invisible as the (best) lcd protector are? How do you attach it to the phone? Btw, if you can share your grid-sheet... :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charger?
Marcus Bauer wrote: So essentially the Neo asks hey, can I have 500mA? and there is no answer. The Neo then plays safe and pulls only 100mA as to the USB standard. But the Neo can pop-up a dialog asking you hey guy, there is some unknown charger, I currently take only 100mA, shall I pull more anyway? - and this lets you use *any* USB charger out there. Be it one from Apple or one from eBay. Well, and if I've no idea of what's doing my charger (and most of users don't know it) what shall I answer!? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host compatible devices
openmoko wrote: I have a question about the USB host feature ... Could it be possible to use a traditional USB keyboard with this feature ? (Enough power ? Compatible plugs ?) I figure this is possible... Can we get an adapter to be able to plug any traditional USB devices ? (USB storage key ...) Well, this should be an item to be added to the package imho... Standard-usb to mini-usb device isn't so easy to found... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PVT Update.
steve wrote: 1. A final release of software to the factory. Bug Fixing will go on after this, but the image we commit is one we will stick with for a while. Don't ask me what a while is. I'll talk about the software release late Next week and let you all know what made it into the first release and what will come later. This point isn't so clear to me: what you mean for release of software? Are you developing a new release of the software on closed doors and you'll release it soon? Or maybe are you only talking about testing kernel and other low-level softwares? So, short version: design is verified. Hardware is production worthy. Yeild results are good. This is a really happy news btw...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you attach it to the phone? I have uploaded a video to youtube http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=9enAgqLWeX0 So you're simply putting the protector under the phone case? Doesn't it move around? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time?
Tim Shannon wrote: I think that has been one of the top unanswered questions on many peoples minds. I don't think we've gotten a solid answer yet, but I'm sure it will come in time. Exactly... We've asked this also few days ago [1], but we didn't get any answer. I really hope that this is not due to problems (i.e.: the battery life doesn't last as expected), but only to missing tests (i.e.: no one had enough time to test correctly the battery life both in standby and durning call/gps/wifi). [1] http://tinyurl.com/6kmzak -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) ha scritto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you attach it to the phone? I have uploaded a video to youtube http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=9enAgqLWeX0 So you're simply putting the protector under the phone case? Doesn't it move around? Ah... And I forgot: what about the dust (under the sheet)? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: home zone functionality, use voip for this?
Crane, Matthew wrote: There is no search on the mailing list so I'm not sure if this has been discussed previously. Has anybody tested voip with openmoko? Maybe is an easy way to implement a cheap home-zone. There's no search officially, but you can get it using GMANE: http://tinyurl.com/65xkyw -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I also planned to buy some screen protectors for the freerunner... Reading comments on the net I've heard that the best ones are the Brando (they've a site shipping worldwide, but I can't find it now) anyway I don't really know if it's an hoax or not... BTW since the Openmoko phones aren't commercial phones, to find the screen protector with the right size (or something bigger), I'd need to know which other phone/PDA has the same screen size of the Freerunner. Do you have advices for this? Well, I asked this Brando directly, I've said them that the Freerunner LCD has the size of 46mm x 61mm (is this true? Please, if I'm wrong post here right values) and they replied me: The nearest size is 45.2 mm W. x 59.5mm H (iPAQ rx4000 = ETEN P300). Please check if this size would fit. What should I answer them? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
Michele Renda wrote: Ps. Someone know if exist a standalone QWERTY keyboard with mini usb connector that can be used with freerunner? My girlfriend will be very very happy :) I don't know about mini-usb one, but I know about a mini-bluetooth keyboard [1], that really sounds better to my ears :P [1] http://tinyurl.com/5q7g55 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03?
Michele Renda ha scritto: I hope to find one not too much expensive. To buy the Freerunner, I have already vincolated the Cristmas presents for next 5 years :) Ah, ok... :D Btw I think that it's better for you looking for a mini-keyboard with standard USB connector (eBay can be your friend!), and then using a MiniUSB - USB adaptor for this and all other devices you could connect to the freerunner! :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Andrea Debortoli wrote: I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be available some days after... I will too, but only because I can't wait longer :( I'm not so happy about this decision, btw... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging Neo Freerunner via USB port
Michael Shiloh wrote: Andy Powell wrote: On Friday 18 April 2008 18:34, Michael Shiloh wrote: The Neo Freerunner can charge most rapidly when it can pull 1 Amp from the power supply connected to the USB socket. However, not all chargers or computers can provide this much current. It might seem like a dumb question, the the charger provided can source 1Amp, right? :) Not a dumb question at all. I do say this further down, but perhaps should elevate it. According to this [1] (final pages) it should provide 2.0A. [1] http://tinyurl.com/5sh68w -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging Neo Freerunner via USB port
Michael Shiloh wrote: When the Neo Freerunner detects that power has been provided at the USB port, it will attempt to draw only 100mA. This minimum is mandated by the USB standard. This amount of current is insufficient to both power the Neo Freerunner (or even just its backlight) and to charge the battery, and therefore the battery will not be charged. (The battery discharge rate, however, will be slightly lower, as the supplied 100mA will be used to augment the battery.) (When a charger is connected to the USB port, the Neo Freerunner automatically powers up. Thus, if charging at 100mA is desired, the Neo Freerunner must be shut down after the startup process has completed.) Mhmhm... Does this mean that the freerunner uses about 100mA to stay on standby? And... Then that in about 12 hours of simple standby its battery will be out? :o I really hope I'm wrong... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Stroller wrote: On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote: Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory. The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add some other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers. Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ... A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me. I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes. Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone purchases. I agree... Btw, I hope it will be possible also to talk while driving without the headset, but using hands-free (software) feature. Simply the phone could increase both its speaker volume and its microphone sensitivity. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
Andy Green ha scritto: Somebody in the thread at some point said: I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible. Summarizing, they say that the GTA02v6 hardware version fixes an hardware bug that causes the LEDs to use about 150mW instead of 25mW. Yeah, but how often are the LEDs lit in normal operation: ~0. Well, if you use LEDs for notifying events or for showing if GSM is working or not (blinking in a color if GSM network is reacheable, changing color if it doesn't work), they could have a certain role. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework
Andrea Debortoli wrote: 2008/4/19, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is quite possible to make your statement by NOT purchasing a v5 unit and waiting for a v6. Choosing to wait yourself, without passing the delay and costs onto everyone else is the most ethical, polite way to solve the problem. I don't know if it's possible to explicitly choose a GTA02v5 or a GTA02v6 at the buying moment... if someone will tell us something about this I'll be more quiet...:) I'm very happy that someone is going to buy a bugged hw (although barely), but remember that battery lifetime is (and probably will always be) a critical issue for Freerunners, and personally I don't want to buy an hw revision that increase these issues...(knowing that there is a better one around the corner) I agree... There's also another issue to consider: in the marketing threads it was said that the first thousands phones will have more goods in their box, so this makes me think that only people buying a v5 will get these things. My personal position is now quite singular, since I'd like to get the best hardware I can (since I know there's it already) but I also need a phone (but with good power management and so good daily usage) as soon as I can. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future
Bobby Martin wrote: Personally, I want the hardware to be as good as OM knows how to make it, so I'm waiting for v6 before I buy. I don't see any reason to delay the purchase for all the people who want to buy a v5 now, though. Marco, you would have to wait either way - either everyone waits for the v6, or only the people who prefer to wait for the v6 do. That seems like a really clear choice to me. I'd like to wait, but my actual phone is dieing every day more and waiting another month (or more) is hard for me... Then I guess that the I'd lose the goods attached with the first batch of phones... I can live without LEDs, but my question was: why shipping an hardware version when there's already a newer one that has all the known bugs fixed?! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6?
steve wrote: As I recall. There is an LED under the aux button an LED on the face of the device and an LED under the power button. According to what I've read [1] there are just two leds, but one of these (the one under the power button) has two kind of light (blue/red). [1] http://tinyurl.com/6jxr93 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework
Mikko Rauhala wrote: And the point was? Yeah, the point. There was one here somewhere, let me look for it. Oh yeah. Here it is: Nothing. Will. Ever. Be. Perfect. I know this and I never asked for a perfect device, I do really know that this LED(s) issue is just a minor problem, but I was asking myself and then to the community at all why Openmoko decided to start sending a device version with a minor bug A simple (and good) answer could have been: «We've already built thousands v5 phones to be sold, should we trow them away just for a fucking LED?!» [no, of course]. I don't think that it was wrong advertising here an issue found on a devel list. It's important being up to date, then you choose! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner Quickstart Guide
steve wrote: My FR has two speaker holes, but I do recall the spec being mono. perhaps that was just on Bluetooth. Some time ago I heard that the device was mono, but with two speakers (pushing out the same sound). Is this wrong? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Fahrstuhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heya, the wiki-page about the Freerunner hardware states that issue would be resolved in the GTA02v5 mass production phones. [1] A6 will be fine tune version of A5, only minor schematic change for better product quality and version control. Capacitor and resistor change A6 also on mass production A5 Please correct me if I am wrong. I don't think the led fix is there. The issue was discovered after the cap. change I think so, but... Aren't these also important things from the power management point of view? # Add capacitor space for Vbat, reduce the SMT effort # Add GSM IR resistor for better GSM deep sleep -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework - reply
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) ha scritto: This confusion comes from time latency of series of events, but no matter A5 or A6 should all apply the LED transistor change. I already update all the changes that shipping A5 will apply. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02_mass_roduction_version_change_list So, the only power-related issue fixed on A6 (and so not fixed on mass production version) is: * GSM_modem power source Reduce power's ripple when the phone is talking I guess this is a minor issue, isn't it? Could we have more informations? Thanks anyway for your news and to the all Openmoko guys for their efforts and for the comunication they keep with the community. This is the power of an open company!!! BTW, I'm happy to know that I'll be able to drain my GTA02v5 flashlighting my LEDs all the day :D -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99
steve ha scritto: I'll gladly put the price back to $650 which was the first price we released. LOL... BTW for me you can also put the price at 398 for staying a little more far from 399... :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: and YES I agree, the remaining V5 vs V6 issues seem small (but we did get extra info and clarification, thanks Tony). BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. This would bring the brightness and power consumption to normal. Well, I didn't know there was also this software workaround, since the only that was stated was turning off the LED itself... Anyway, according to the latest news also the v5 hardware shipped in MP will be fixed, so also this issue is gone away... However, I suspect that for many community members who were so eager to prefer v6 over v5, simply knowing that there is a workaround, and thus no known unavoidable hardware bugs exist in v5, would be enough, and actually implementing the workaround would not be that important. :-) Well, a workaround like this can be considered something like a real fix imho :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Steve on V5 versus v6
steve wrote: The phone fits snuggly in a bed of foam, carved precisely to fit its form. Well, looking at the photos taken by Michael (coverOffTrayRemoved*.jpg and coverTrayTriangle*.jpg first of all) it seems that under the phone's bed of foam there's enough space for pushing a pouch, isn't it? And what about not shipping all the kinds of plugs (most of us would need only the one used in their country)? But I like you Marco, So send me your address on my openmoko mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I give you my pouch. Many thanks! I've sent my address, anyway I hope all the Freerunner buyers will get one :). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
Michael Shiloh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for those photographs helping us waiting for the device. PS : Your camera doesn't seem to be a very good one ;) Anyone wishing to send me a better camera is welcome to do so :-) Well, I think the problem isn't on the camera itself, but on the light... Maybe using the flash they would have been less noisy... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
ramsesoriginal wrote: Thank you. Wow. Finally, something real, after all this talking about the freerunners. all that misses now is one of those babys in my hands :D I agree... Finally we can see a box that seems quite ready to be shipped to all us :P, btw good photos of the phone with accessories were already at [1]. [1] http://tinyurl.com/5sh68w -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko sounds, Motto
Tomas Di Domenico wrote: Actually, I'd say that GPL would be more correctly associated to free than open. It's a shame that free in english is primarily associated to free as in beer in this context, though, which causes all the controversy already discussed around Free your phone. I love that motto :'( I love that too...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Lucas Bonnet wrote: during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). There's a thread [1] on the kernel mailing list about this feature too. Give it a look! [1] http://tinyurl.com/68jxno -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Patrick Davila wrote: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/22/side-by-side-video-windows-mobile-and-embedded-linux/ You have to admit the bling looks pretty. Yes... And that's only on a Neo... Freerunner that will have a better CPU that surely will allow to get really better performances (also without any 3D accelearation that, yeah it's possible, but which who knows we'll ever see)! Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see kwin running with the KDE default style. And... If I'm right, this means that we could run Qt apps like these also in Openmoko (I mean without X reboot :P), isn't it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Tilman Baumann wrote: Just a question: the widgets shown are they running on X? It seems they are since you can see kwin running with the KDE default style. And... If I'm right, this means that we could run Qt apps like these also in Openmoko (I mean without X reboot :P), isn't it? Regular K* and Q* apps of course. Just port the qt libs. But not QTopia apps AFAIK. But Holger Freyther (zecke) is currently porting qtopia on x11. See the distro level mailing list for his progress. Yes I knew this... That's why I've asked only about QT apps :P. Btw I'm waiting for the qtopia port... I love having hybrid-systems (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: (both gtk/qt/qtopia/qopenmoko) :P Just a typo, eh! I meant just openmoko :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: what freerunner *IS* good at is nice high resolution still images. it is NOT good at motion (animation). that's possibly the simplest way i know to describe its graphics :) great for ebook and text reading. great for your high-res photos. don't expect a media-center out of it with swooshy bits and fanciness and video at wonderful quality and resolutions and framerates. And... How do you consider mapping softwares, for example? I know they don't require so much video output, but the CPU has to decode the maps! I really hope this has nothing to do with this issue (or that is poorly affected) since, it will be another important issue (and quite more blocker imho). -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i can say now - 320x240 mpeg4 video with mplayer using xvideo on the gta02 even can't play at 30fps. i was wrong with my guess. it is dropping 25% of the frames. so as such actually i correct this. i was too optimistic. you can more likely manage 20fps @ 320x240. this is mpeg4 - so mpeg1 and 2 may be better as they are simpler codecs. do remember when i say resolution - i mean the video itself. the hardware can SCALE it to fill the screen, but this is taking 320x240 video and scaling it up (adding blur) so of course the quality isn't that good. remember too that color information is half that resolution in each dimension again (160x120 - though depends on codec). Well, I was thinking to youtube videos streaming... Since it will be impossible to see them in embedded browser (without local javascript hacks), I guess that we could use an application (if I'm not wrong someone is developing it on projects.openmoko.org) that fetches and plays (on streaming too) the videos in other formats supported by youtube (you can test them using youtube-dl -f value url [1]) The formats (fmt) that should work with no problems are: * 13: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3gpp file so H.263 video and AMR Narrowband audio * 15: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mp4 file with MPEG4 video and AAC audio Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood what has been stated) is * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file Maybe too low, but... I think that actually it's the best way quality we can get without rencoding it locally or simply without using a 3rd party server doing this work for us on the fly. [1] http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Youtube Video Playback on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner?)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:38:24 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Another format that maybe works on streaming (if I've not misunderstood what has been stated) is * 5: [EMAIL PROTECTED] flv file no - not going to work. 21fps at best. :( Ah... I thought that the limitation was only on playing media saved on SD, not on data streaming from the net. Anyway if the player frame-dropping is enabled (or setting the -fps value to 20 in mplayer, for example), I guess we could get a better video quality than the other formats... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
Schmidt András wrote: I myself and all people I talked to think that that the black one has no style. Also the orange-white looks cool. I don't agree... Imho the black one is more professional... I loved the Black/silver before but now I think that the full-black version is the best. The orange-white (or any *-white) version imho looks like a kids toy! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ARMv4 rating
Martin Bernreuther wrote: the Neo 1973 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_hardware#Processor) as well as the Neo Freerunner (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Processor) have Processors based on the ARMv4 instruction Set. Apparently one consequence (stated on these pages) is, that Android, requiring ARMv5, will not run on the Neo. (also see http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973) Well, saying Android won't run on Neo maybe could be a wrong statement since when Android source code will be available, it will be possible to recompile it for other platforms (maybe after few changes, who knows...), including AMRv4. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
