Re: Om2009 testing release 4
Congratulations! I'm downloading right now and will report back. I'm very impressed with the rate of revisions. Michael Shiloh Angus Ainslie wrote: Hi All, As I think we've fixed more things than we broke it's time for another testing release. As usual there are additional instructions here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 There is also a new page for community involvement. Many of these wishlist items need someone to implement them. If you are interested in in owning one of the wishlist items come and join #paroli or send me an email http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active Don't bother trying to do an opkg update opkg upgrade to do the upgrade. Chances are you won't get the dependencies right ( I know I didn't ). If you want to preserve your settings use the bind-home method and flash the full image. New in feeds callrec claws-mail dictator dillo midori mokomaze omnewrotate pyring sms-sentry webkit-efl New features Improved call handling - should limit races in oeventsd Better list handling More consistent interface New paroli-illume theme - only change so far is to remove desktop switcher - wanted volunteer to change analog clock to digital - wanted different colour scheme ( maybe white on black to match the rest of paroli ? ) Static MAC addresses for usb devices - usb networking will now show up as ethx on the host side please check dmesg on the host side Ability to cut 30 seconds off boot time - DO NOT use this if you use bind-home - install udev-static-devices to get this speed boost - any solutions on using bind-home and static-devices appreciated Keyboard goes away after use Updated /etc/network/interfaces to give USB0 a metric Added readahead to busybox to test speed increase Known issues Some oeventsd rules are ignored ( framework oeventsd problems ) - don't suspend while plugged in http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/381 - suspend fails after a call http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/435 Bugs fixed 1 pixel wide illume exit menu UTF chars in SMS's - you must still install a keyboard to be able to write different character sets. Keyboard collapses after use Angus ___ devel mailing list de...@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/devel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
Angus Ainslie wrote: Hi All, As I think we've fixed more things than we broke it's time for another testing release. You've only updated the rootfs, right? So no changes in the wifi driver? M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:33:31PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Problem at Display-Profile: can't get back to illume, illume, paroli or paroli-illume all look exactly the same Mirko told me all you need is to reboot (first boot problems ... I really can't understand that) for it to work. I added this to the wiki under known problems. Please check and correct if I've misunderstood. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros?
1) Where is qi? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation says http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 says http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ which is right? Tell me and I'll correct the wiki. 2) 2009 not described in download page Is there a reason that 2009 is not referenced in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download I know it's still under development but it should still be listed. If there are no objections I'll write a paragraph and link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros?
I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to find Qi. Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to point at your directory? Nelson Castillo wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Michael Shiloh mich...@openmoko.org wrote: 1) Where is qi? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation says http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 says http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ which is right? Tell me and I'll correct the wiki. Hello Michael, thanks for your concern. I just put the latest Qi in this URI. http://people.openmoko.org/arhuaco/qi/latest/ I think distributors will pick the revision they feel comfortable with and it does not have to be the latest. If the latest Qi can be built automatically with existing infrastructure it will be better. I'll ask Angus and send an update as a reply to this email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros?
Nelson Castillo wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Shiloh mich...@openmoko.org wrote: I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to find Qi. That is what I understood. Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to point at your directory? Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon. Thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros?
Nelson Castillo wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Michael Shiloh mich...@openmoko.org wrote: Nelson Castillo wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Shiloh mich...@openmoko.org wrote: I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to find Qi. That is what I understood. Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to point at your directory? Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon. I just got the reply. The auto-builder puts Qi here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ Right now the latest is: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr237+c2a6b7ab3df7c1b68d47769f6e35733be1eaab58.udfu I think we should use this URI. Never send a human to do a machine's job.. Thanks for doing the research. Care to update the wiki? It's late here in CA and I'm ready to call it a day. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
shr (both testing and unstable): Error loading module (connman)
Booting either version of shr today gives me: There was an error loading module named: d connman/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01/mod modules search directories I don't see anything under known issues on the wiki regarding shr. Any ideas? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner, most used distributions
Distrowatch for FreeRunner! Great idea! http://distrowatch.com/ Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Hello, I was wondering: anyone has an idea or stats about which distributions are used by the FreeRunners out there? Something like: === Om 2007.x: 50% Om 2008.x: 20% SHR: 10% [...] Other hacks: 5% === ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bearstech SHR missing rootfs
According to the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#SHR_images_.28Stable_Hybrid_Release.29 SHR images are available here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D which contains the the kernel and modules but not the rootfs. I suggest this be fixed either by including the rootfs, or by including a readme.html that explains why the rootfs is missing, and where to find one. Comments? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs
Shawn Trash Thompson wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: According to the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#SHR_images_.28Stable_Hybrid_Release.29 SHR images are available here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D which contains the the kernel and modules but not the rootfs. I suggest this be fixed either by including the rootfs, or by including a readme.html that explains why the rootfs is missing, and where to find one. Comments? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community SHR project currently resides at: http://shr-project.org/trac this link has instructions on getting and installing your SHR image. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Then the link on the wiki to bearstech is wrong. Shall I fix this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs
Shawn Trash Thompson wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Shawn Trash Thompson wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: According to the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#SHR_images_.28Stable_Hybrid_Release.29 SHR images are available here http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D which contains the the kernel and modules but not the rootfs. I suggest this be fixed either by including the rootfs, or by including a readme.html that explains why the rootfs is missing, and where to find one. Comments? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community SHR project currently resides at: http://shr-project.org/trac this link has instructions on getting and installing your SHR image. -Shawn Then the link on the wiki to bearstech is wrong. Shall I fix this? Please do, I try to watch for errors if I have to browse the wiki also so correct links are great :) -Shawn Will do. I'm awaiting email with my password reminder as I forgot it. I won't be offended if someone else does this before my password arrives. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SHR missing rootfs (was: Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs)
SHR project currently resides at: http://shr-project.org/trac this link has instructions on getting and installing your SHR image. Just before I fixed the wiki page it occurred to me to double-check: http://shr-project.org/trac points to how to install which says to get images here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ which contains only the kernel and not the rootfs. The wiki page is very helpful in that it points to a separate page which discusses the different versions of the rootfs, but the links point to the same place above which has only the kernel. What now? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My solution
For fun you could adjust the accelerometer threshold to be super-sensitive, and then when you drive around corners the display would rotate 90 degrees, giving the virtual illusion* of driving really, really fast! :-) * virtual illusion? You heard it hear first. Yes, that could be a solution. In fact, in the Om2008 repos there is just such a tool, called accel-rotate. However, I find it mildly irritating, since it does not limit rotation to one portrait and one landscape display modes, it can rotate the screen in all 4 directions. In some applications this could actually be a very neat thing, depending on for instance the type of holder you have to clasp your FR. Thusly, if you can only put your FR into a holder upside down due to buttons/cables/whatever, then accell-rotate will allow you to do just that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [navit] Sample map
Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: Given the fact that space is short on mobile devices, might I suggest that the sample map not be included in the .opkg? I beg to differ. Since Internet access is so iffy at the moment, having something to show right away is very important. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [navit] Sample map
Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: 2009/1/2 Michael Shiloh mich...@openmoko.org: I beg to differ. Since Internet access is so iffy at the moment, having something to show right away is very important. Or at least put it in a separate package. yes, that would work. i would hope that whoever decides what goes into a distro (2008.12, FDOM, SHR, etc.), when Navit is included, so would the sample map. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
Thanks! I was afraid it was previously discussed but I did an Internet search for openmoko and qpe and found nothing. It should have picked it up from the archives. This should also be listed in the known issues section of 2008.12. I'll add it once I find the references you hint at. Can you provide a slightly more limited hint? I expect the words segfault and engine will appear for many other topics. Thanks, Michael William Kenworthy wrote: Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays newsletter ... Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine This is coming up almost once a day ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
Bill, are you referring to the issue when using the illume theme instead of ASU? I'm using stock ASU. William Kenworthy wrote: Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays newsletter ... Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine This is coming up almost once a day ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?
thanks for the confirmation. i'll play around a bit more and see what i can discover. by the way, a reflash made it go away, so it definitely was caused by something i did. now i'll do again slowly and paying attention. m William Kenworthy wrote: yes, with the illume theme - I hav not heard of the problem otherwise. If so, you may have something new and its worthy of a bugreport. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 20:41 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Bill, are you referring to the issue when using the illume theme instead of ASU? I'm using stock ASU. William Kenworthy wrote: Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays newsletter ... Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine This is coming up almost once a day ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up booting, I get a pop-up box with the message: Application Error The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce... (F1) Restart (F2) Exit FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does eventually cause it to power down. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Auxlaunch
This is beautiful. Thanks! It is very simple, very flexible, and easy to configure. On top of that, it makes a great example program. If you have time to write up a wiki page that would be great. Otherwise, I'll add it to my list. Michael Al Iasid wrote: Hi, I wanted a simple, very finger-friendly app launcher for my Freerunner running Debian. I also wanted to access it using the Aux button. So, I mixed code from the PyGTK hello world example with code from matchbox-keyboard-toggle and came up with Auxlaunch. A screenshot and download link is at aliasid.googlepages.com/auxlaunch http://aliasid.googlepages.com/auxlaunch if you're interested. At first, it minimizes and waits for the Aux button to be pressed. Then, it pops up full screen and shows 3 large buttons. You use the up and down buttons to change the top button. Press the top button and the selected app starts. You can configure the choices by editing the .auxlaunchrc text file. I added an item for Suspend (apm -s), too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [om2008.9/FDOM] Charging or Long Power On = Crashing?
Boris Wong wrote: I'm working on a theory of prolonged charging leading to the crashing of the Freerunner in FDOM/om2008.9. I'm not saying it's definite, but I have had some experiences of my phone ending up in kernel panic and where the screen would not turn on after overnight charging without suspension. Here is the scenario: I plug in my Freerunner to the wall adaptor, to let it charge overnight. I do not use suspension, but I do have the screen turn off automatically. I sometimes don't unplug/plug it in again to make the charging indicator (red light and the charging symbol on the screen) appear. In the morning (6+ hours later), the phone will be in kernel panic or the device will be on without the screen (calls and things get through, monitor does not come on). The questionable theory: Is there any chance that, since the kernel is not aware that the device is charging (even though the device still charges to full), will create crashes or reverse the loop of the battery indicators? I'm aware that this is a smart battery which can dish out statistics. If the FR does not know that it is charging, but the power is going up, I might think that that may cause problems with the logging and power handling from the kernel. Just a theory, but I really want to get rid of kernel panics and crashes after not shutting down for a long time. Any other theories floating out there that we might want to consider? Boris, You may get better results posting this to the kernel list. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMooCow 0.1
Wonderful! Brilliant idea. Can you add this to opkg.org? I look forward to a whole menagerie of user-contributed animals and sounds! Penguins should be represented quickly! Michael Thomas White wrote: I'm pleased to be able to announce version 0.1 of my advanced accelerometer and audio framework testing system, OpenMooCow. Available from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~taw27/openmoko/openmoocow/ When installed and run, OpenMooCow displays an artistic rendition of a fine specimen of Friesian dairy cattle. Invert the device and return it to an upright orientation to experience the pinnacle of audio rendering kwality. The sound effect can be altered by putting a suitable WAV file in /usr/share/openmoocow/moo.wav. A credit is due to Chris Hendricks who is the author of the original sound file (obtained from www.flashkit.com). Comments/abuse to this address. Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:09 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote: Ok, thanks... Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...? I will look at it, and post the results. Anxiously awaiting your measurements. If there is no 4.7K resistor, I'd move this discussion to the kernel list. We should not be charging at 1A if we do not see this resistor. The cig lighter adapter I got is just a USB port, (the ID pin doesn't exist there) just jack in the USB-MiniUSB cable. I get the same readings below on AC, on PC, and on DC. If I force charging to 500mA or 100mA then they reflect that. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode fast [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type charger 1A mode 1A If I understand you correctly, this sounds like a bug. Let me confirm: 1. Disconnect your FreeRunner from any power source. 2. Power cycle (to clear any previous state). 3. Connect the FreeRunner to a PC USB port. We know these source at most 500mA. 4. Display (and report) chgmode. Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have written other script for that LEDs some time ago, it's called ledd and it's indicating charging state and transferring data over wifi. http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/ledd I added this to the Buttons and LEDs page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Implementations_of_other_LED_behaviors ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator
I added an FAQ with this question and pointed to the wiki page. Hopefully this will bring the LEDs to the attention of new users more easily. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#What_are_the_LEDs_on_the_Neo_FreeRunner_for.3F Nick Van Fossen wrote: Some of you probably knew this, but I just found out that the Freerunner actually has a couple LEDs under the power button, but they don't seem to be used yet in 2008.9 stable. So, I thought it would be helpful to use them as an external battery power indicator. If you are like me, I let my phone screen go black after 60 seconds and go to suspend by button press only, so this is also helpful to tell if the Freerunner is in suspend or powered on with the screen off. Power button blue for high battery, purple for medium, and orange for low. Perl script and simple instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Led_Power_Status_Perl_Script By the way, suspend mode and the phone itself are working great for me after figuring out that pulseaudio was causing major problems. Don't install the mediaplayer, and if you did... get rid of pulseaudio and the phone starts working pretty good. -Nick _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
Oye. Moving this thread to the kernel list. This seems very wrong to me. Michael Joel Newkirk wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:38:20 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:09 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote: Ok, thanks... Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...? I will look at it, and post the results. Anxiously awaiting your measurements. If there is no 4.7K resistor, I'd move this discussion to the kernel list. We should not be charging at 1A if we do not see this resistor. The cig lighter adapter I got is just a USB port, (the ID pin doesn't exist there) just jack in the USB-MiniUSB cable. I get the same readings below on AC, on PC, and on DC. If I force charging to 500mA or 100mA then they reflect that. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode fast [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type charger 1A mode 1A If I understand you correctly, this sounds like a bug. Let me confirm: 1. Disconnect your FreeRunner from any power source. 2. Power cycle (to clear any previous state). 3. Connect the FreeRunner to a PC USB port. We know these source at most 500mA. 4. Display (and report) chgmode. Thanks, Michael OK, here's the final results. I've flashed the kernel since my previous post in this thread, currently uname -a shows Linux iota.newkirk.us 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Fri Sep 26 14:13:25 EST 2008 armv4tl unknown. After shutting down and restarting: with nothing connected, I get: chgmode: play-only charger_type: charger 1A mode 1A Connected to PC: chgmode: fast charger_type: charger 1A mode 500mA Connected to included wall charger: chgmode: fast charger_type: charger 1A mode 1A Connected to cheapo car lighter-to-USB adapter: chgmode: fast charger_type: charger 1A mode 1A (of course since the car charger provides 1000mA this is what I want it to do, but I realize it shouldn't be doing it without intervention) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: car charger
David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote: Ok, thanks... Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...? I will look at it, and post the results. Anxiously awaiting your measurements. If there is no 4.7K resistor, I'd move this discussion to the kernel list. We should not be charging at 1A if we do not see this resistor. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:50:14 Steve Mosher wrote: well since this is wifi specific it needs to be referenced in the wifi section. If I had the wifi problem THAT would be the first place I looked. or in the known problem section. I can't say I'm extremely familiar with the wiki but I imagine there is a troubleshooting section? With possibly a FAQ? I think a link to the selected blogs page would be valuable in such a place along with a link on the wiki index. All things wifi, including known issues and a link to Tom's article, are here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi As blogs tend be general, linking specifically within wifi might not be appropriate but a link to the troubleshooting page within wifi that then allows you to choose internal or external sources of information sounds better and keeps the non-official documentation contained and a little more consolidated for all areas of troubleshooting. For actual wiki content this isn't a problem but it would allow for an actual troubleshooting index of wiki approved content as well. I imagine linking directly, even if only to the selected blogs page, may require more maintenance down the track as online information is pretty fluid and relevance can change pretty quickly. If the site disappeared you'd have to modify more than one page to accommodate it. Having two primary links, faqs and troubleshooting, seems less confusing and easier to maintain to me. Just a thought :) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Xavier Bestel wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 16:19 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of community suggestions, including Tom's. In particular, this should work for most people: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_iwconfig_manually Feedback and other working examples appreciated. Is feedback by mail ok ? It is my favorite method actually :-) I always use the manual iwconfig+udhcpc method. It works most of the time right after reboot, but often looses the network after a few minutes (sometimes it works for hals an hour). After that, redoing the iwconfig sometimes works, sometimes not and another reboot is in order. Very interesting. Do you kill udhcpc in between invokations? I think it's a daemon. Of course the real issue is why in looses the connection. I presume you have suspend disabled? Have you tried a different channel? One of my neighbors is on a close channel and things got better when I changed my AP to an unused channel. iwlist is a great help here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Disable_power_management suggests that power management caused problems. You might try this too. Please let us know what works and what doesn't. Better yet add it to the wiki. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging and USB host mode
Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter... I think it will be better, if you remove the host mode from your Freerunner. Until now, no one reported damaging of his FR when putted to recharge in host mode, but I think it will be better to don't be the first one :) I am pretty sure that FR will not charge when in host mode. I think that your phone simply remained without battery. That is correct. In normal host mode the FR will not charge. Details at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are invited to do the same. I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages. Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the documentation list). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:42:00 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are invited to do the same. I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages. Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the documentation list). What about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner:_Selected_Blogs_and_Articles? Is it intended strictly for blogs and 'news' articles? Excellent. Done. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of community suggestions, including Tom's. In particular, this should work for most people: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_iwconfig_manually Feedback and other working examples appreciated. Michael Steve Mosher wrote: michael could you and brenda assist Tom Tom Yates wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks, Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki. i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like). is there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of this is what i managed to do, and it's documented here and here and here? i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Can someone confirm that these settings solved the Echo issue on OM2008.08 ?
Anders Einar Hilden wrote: These settings ( https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267#comment:16 ) made my Freerunner echofree 5 weeks ago, haven't hade the time to play with it since. I'd like to hear from someone who used to have the echo problem, then tried the settings mentioned above and found they solved the problem. Then we'll put it up on the wiki. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Search engine improved.
BrendaWang wrote: Dear community: Openmoko IT guys had improved wiki search engine. Solutions was put Google Search extension on wiki site. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleSiteSearch Feedback welcome. Wow. That is an amazing improvement. Thank you IT guys and Brenda! Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: rescue my freerunner
David Pottage wrote: On Fri, October 3, 2008 9:20 am, Sergey Alembekov wrote: On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:41:08PM +1000, nickd wrote: Worst case scenario, you might be able to create a backup of your rootfs (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U backup_rootfs.jffs) and mount the image on loopback [1] and transfer your home directory back onto your Freerunner. Thank you for help, but unfortunately thereis known bug in dfu-util and becouse of it i can not do a backup. How about preparing a MicoSD card with fresh copy of your preferred distro on it. (ASU/Debian/etc), boot from that and then mount the rootfs and either fix the offending files or take a copy of your data. Good idea. If your computer doesn't have an SD slot, you can buy an inexpensive USB to SDcard adapter. This is what I use and it's been fine. (when you say it's stuck while booting, how long did you wait? IIRC there is a network related task which will eventually time out, but it does take quite a long time.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable
Charles Pax wrote: On 10/3/08, *Matthias Apitz* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I own the FR gadget now for 2-3 weeks, I think, and I'm so happy with it and I use it in daily work as I did with my normal cellphone, a BenQ Siemens S68, which I have returned already because I think the FR is stable enough for me; I can do what I want with it: - I can SSH to the Linux and install or change what I feel fitting for me or missing there; - for me Wifi works now as it should; - for me GPRS and PPPD together with my smaller laptop (a eeePC 900 on which I have installed FreeBSD 7.0) let me go to Internet; I can use the FR like a normal router box to Internet; Very glad to hear of your success. What kind of access point are you using, and what kind of encryption or security are you using with it? Thanks, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM and WiFi
At this point you can try manually configuring the wireless card: iwconfig eth0 essid linksys Does your network have an encryption key? How many letters? I think there is a bug that one letter keys don't work. If your network has an encryption key, I think another bug requires that you set the key before the ID thus: iwconfig eth0 key 123456789 essid linksys Let me know if this works and we'll update the wiki accordingly Michael Vince M. Clark wrote: Here is the output. I can see the access point but it is not connected even though in Mofi the circle is orange next to the access point. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID: Mode:Managed Bit Rate:1 Mb/s Tx-Power=0 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:0/94 Signal level:-95 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwlist eth0 scan eth0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 ESSID:linksys Mode:Master Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6) Quality=15/94 Signal level=-80 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm Encryption key:off Extra:bcn_int=100 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is fr usb host mode prone to damage from regular usb charging
Petr Vanek wrote: I haven't found a clear answer on this one: i got A-A Female to Female usb connector to couple two cables. The wiki pages [1], [2] provide sufficient info on usage, except of one thing: if i switch into USB Host mode providing power (*) can i damage anything if i forget it like that and replug my fr into my computer? Hi Petr, This type of question is more appropriate to the kernel list. I'll go ahead and post it for you there. Regards, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM and WiFi
After you set the ESSID you need to request an IP address via dhcp: udhcpc eth0 Which is the last line in this command sequence: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN#Manual_attempt Vince M. Clark wrote: Network is open and I can see it. I tried manually configuring and it sets the essid but doesn't get an IP address. Is there something else I need to do to enable dhcp? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:linksys Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 Bit Rate=1 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:179/94 Signal level:-172 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E7:AA inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:e7aa/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:109829 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:14838 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:44459303 (42.3 MiB) TX bytes:146338 (142.9 KiB) - Original Message - From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 1:44:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: FDOM and WiFi At this point you can try manually configuring the wireless card: iwconfig eth0 essid linksys Does your network have an encryption key? How many letters? I think there is a bug that one letter keys don't work. If your network has an encryption key, I think another bug requires that you set the key before the ID thus: iwconfig eth0 key 123456789 essid linksys Let me know if this works and we'll update the wiki accordingly Michael Vince M. Clark wrote: Here is the output. I can see the access point but it is not connected even though in Mofi the circle is orange next to the access point. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID: Mode:Managed Bit Rate:1 Mb/s Tx-Power=0 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:0/94 Signal level:-95 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwlist eth0 scan eth0 Scan completed : Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41 ESSID:linksys Mode:Master Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6) Quality=15/94 Signal level=-80 dBm Noise level=-95 dBm Encryption key:off Extra:bcn_int=100 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge it, since it won't recognize it. Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will charge in the FreeRunner? Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see it (and remove if desired). True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of the kernel people can confirm this. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
Dale Schumacher wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger Thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. | | Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki | | Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will | charge in the FreeRunner? | | Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it | does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. | | Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see | it (and remove if desired). | | True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that | battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of | the kernel people can confirm this. Right, we are clueless what that battery is for charging purposes, it'll give it a go charging it in a fairly adaptive way if the terminals line up with the battery socket. Thanks Andy! I'll add this to the wiki. (Sorry I reposted to the kernel list before I saw your response.) Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CAD conversion and editing
Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, I have converted as much as possible from the CAD files into BRLCAD files. Propably I have forgotten to tell Michael Shiloh where the converted files are. (As of I had eMail contact to him) Hi Lothar, Yes, tell me where the files are, and we'll gladly host them on downloads.openmoko.org. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 GPS
Matthew Lane wrote: I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside. I'm using the latest 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08). My Locations app shows a map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in sunny weather! Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution? I've had quite the opposite experience: GPS works more reliably than ever with 2008.9. I presume you've had GPS fixes with the same device in the past? I presume you updated the kernel as well as the root FS? Did you try with/without an SD card inserted? Now that I think of it, I didn't have an SD card installed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Project categories need cleaning
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! Was just checking http://projects.openmoko.org/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=308 From what I learn from the description, I think that Aphasia and maybe Cerebro ( I might be wrong!) maybe should not be there. I'm also not sure about http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ttosss/ - I'd like some more information there telling what it actually is.. My first thought was it's spam.. Yes, you're right - projects needs some serious cleaning up. I'll take a look at this and figure out where it fits in to our general clean up scheme. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
funny comment from a user, in response to the question of whether FR works as a daily phone:
My old phone works as a daily phone. I bought the FR for what I did not have - misery. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I bought the FR for what I did not have - freedom (was: Re: funny comment from a user, in response to the question of whether FR works as a daily phone:)
Michael Shiloh wrote: My old phone works as a daily phone. I bought the FR for what I did not have - misery. Sorry everyone, I found that comment amusing and was going to respond in some clever way, then changed my mind, and unfortunately sent the partially composed message. To paraphrase the original poster, we buy the FR for what we don't have - a generic Linux computer in a cellphone, on which we can develop all manner of applications in any language we chose, without the constraints of the carrier or the cellphone provider I appreciate that many of you purchased the FR to use as your daily phone. But I really believe that the magic of Openmoko comes from what we do with this platform that is different from, and way beyond, a mere phone. That is why the discussion about extending the FR with external sensors interested me so much. So what other ideas do you all have of ways to extend the utility of the FreeRunner? In what ways can you make it more than a cellphone? (and I don't limit this to physical extensions.) How can we all rise above the current issues with GSM, SMS, etc. and create the device of the future? My plan: I am going to take the ideas gathered in the discussion about reporting the tides (when they drifted (pun intended) into case modifications and external sensors) and build an extended FreeRunner. I plan to use a Pelican case and either an Arduino, EZ-USB, or MAKE Controller Kit to interface to external sensors and perhaps also actuators, like hobby servo motors. What is it going to be? I'm not sure yet. But I'm sure ideas will come. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Diversity
Matthew wrote: I just downloaded the latest 2008.8 kernel fs, and I'm trying to use Locations. I can't ever get a GPS fix though. I try outside in sunny weather, and I get no gps fix, ever! SD card in or out, no fix (wasn't this already kernel patched anyway?) 2008.9 just came out, and i got a fix with it right away. any reason not to try that? m ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Crane, Matthew wrote: It would be a pretty straight forward project to make a ez-usb key with a magnetometer and pressure sensor. I've been dying to do an EZ-USB / Openmoko project, for over a year. This would be way cool. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Denis Galvão wrote: On 18/09/2008, at 01:56, Adam Bogacki wrote: I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in New Zealand conditions. For sure Adam. Like Michael said, we should start something in the wiki. I was looking for something similar and found this: http://www.sonimtech.com/ This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case. Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? How should be the best way to have this information on the phone? Using an external hardware module? I'm thinking we need to make a generic expandable water proof (or at least harsh conditions proof) case for the FR. For rapid prototyping, the very best interface would be USB. Future applications might tie in at a more intimate level. At least for the sensors mentioned so far the data rate is slow enough that our USB could easily handle it. I'm envisioning something that looks like a Pelican case, one of the smaller ones, with the guts of a FreeRunner and room for additional hardware, perhaps an Arduino board, extra sensors, and an extra battery, but still handheld. Some Pelican cases have a clear cover. I've wondered if there exist waterproof button activators that transmit force via a magnet, like magnetic stirrers or pumps, so that there is no hole in the case, no gaskets, and no place to leak (assuming the original case is waterproof in the first place). Anyone know of such a thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Linux phone gets datacasts
nicklogan wrote: Natanael Arndt wrote: I have just found this: LinuxDevices.com: Open Linux phone gets datacasts (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html) be blessed Natanael I contacted the company to see if they will make available the plastic body extension separately. My thought was to use the extra space for a larger battery, I'm sure other projects could also benefit. No response yet. note that they are not a company - it's a research center, and they don't make the extensions - they had it printed at a 3d printer shop. you can do the same. michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. Anyone interested? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Crane, Matthew wrote: I'm from the coast, into surf/sailing. Ideas: - openmoko attached to bouys, phones home with bouy angle, wave forces - openmoko race application, allow other boats to watch speed, position, and accel forces on race participants (would be cool to see graphic of boat hitting waves and the angle while close hauled, other boats could view visualization when a gust hits a competitor) - openmoko in moored yacht, alert/webserve info on forces on boat, similar detect if boat is drifting away from mooring +1! Great ideas. I think there is enough material here and in the previous emails to put together a pre-project, either on projects or as a wiki wishlist item. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Broadcast receiver based on FreeRunner (openmokast): Answers to some questions
I collected some questions from the community, which Jean-Michel Bouffard, a Research Engineer at the Communications Research Centre in Canada, graciously agreed to answer. I hope to see his work inspire similar projects: (Note: The attachment (*) Jean-Michel mentions below will be placed on downloads or some such place shortly) == It will be a pleasure answering some of your questions. In particular, people are interested in whether the plastic or the hardware will be available to the public, even in small, experimental quantities, and beyond, whether you know of any commercial modules that might be substituted for your custom modules. The plastic part was designed from the case CAD files that were released on the openmoko.com website. I attached (*) a model that can be seen using the free edrawings viewer (http://www.edrawingsviewer.com/). We will most probably release the source ProE model of the backplate extension as soon as the author agrees. From the source ProE model, we have ordered a small quantity of 3D printouts in ABS from a local company (http://cimetrixsolutions.com/). Other provider of such custom ABS parts could also be http://www.protomold.com or https://www.redeyerpm.com For the hardware module, it was provided by a manufacturer but we are in a discussion process with them so nothing will be released for now. To sum it all up we are not planning to release any hardware ourselves but after we release the extension ProE files, people will be able to order plastic parts themselves. And hopefully our discussion with receiver manufacturer(s) should result in a receiver commercially available with the driver included in openmokast. So I suggest that you register to our RSS feed (http://openmokast.org/index.php?option=com_rd_rssid=2) to stay current with the news. We are also interested in details such as how the hardware was connected. We note with pleasure that the software is open-sourced, and wonder how independent the hardware layer is, so that it might be replaced with drivers for e.g. an off-the-shelf receiver of some sort. The hardware uses a USB interface so it was connected to the USB port of the FreeRunner from inside the case. When setting USB in host mode and the host mode in type 1, the FreeRunner is able to power the broadcasting receiver from its battery. I personally am fascinated by your previous work with Gumstix and SDR, as I am an amateur radio operator (KA6RCQ). It has been an interest of mine to fashion some sort of ham SDR on external hardware, and then to use the FreeRunner as the GUI and the audio IO device. Is any of your work on this available to the public? This work on SDR was conducted by a completely different team from the CRC so I cannot say if they have ever released some of their work to the public. Regards, Michael Thanks for your interest... -- Jean-Michel Bouffard Research Engineer | Ingénieur de recherche Communications Research | Centre de recherches sur les Centre Canada | communications Canada Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Cour.: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.crc.ca | Site web: www.crc.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM updated
David Samblas wrote: Added Pidgin, and Remoko and something else :) Pidgin! Woohoo! This is rapidly becoming my favorite image. Keep up the good work! What are you considering adding next? Do you already have a SIP app? M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIP on Debian
Peter Schwenke wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Do you think the distortion was on the analog side e.g. volume settings, or delays on the network side? I tried again last night when I had a second person. The distortion was not too bad. Gaps and missing chunks but promising. But there was a long delay receiving the audio. It might be networking or processing speed. Were you using WiFi or Ethernet over USB? Wifi on both ends with WPA2 encryption. I'll will try it over Ethernet over USB and ethernet on the other end. Were you speaking to yourself on the other computer, so not over the Internet? Yes, locally. I have tried and connected over the internet. Wireless going out over a 512/512Kb ADSL line and connecting to an actual Video Conferencing endpoint another ADSL line. I have 2 ADSL lines. Doing the above with Ekiga *some* muffled distorted sounds go back and forth. I receive the picture from the endpoint. But that stops updating straight away. Then sound stops. Limiting the call to audio only, I have had both SIP and H239 calls with Ekiga with the similar audio results. Received audio clearly on the FreeRunner for a while. Muffled distorted hardly going out. But after a while things don't well. I've used Ekiga a fair bit but know it can get dodgy over that ADSL line. I have been able to initiate and receive calls calls using Linphone over the Internet using the above gear. But I have not managed to get audio up and down. I have also been unable to get audio up and down with my laptop with Linphone so that problem is not only with the Openmoko. I have received the no webcam image from my laptop on the endpoint. All the routing from the firewall on the laptop/Freerunner end should be fine. I have tried linphone with and without the firewall setting. At some point I'm going to try setting the endpoint and phone up together on the same local switch. That will make it easier to work where the problems are. When I get (or build) a kernel with the uvcvideo driver I intend trying a webcam in usb host mode on the Freerunner and see what happens. ...Peter Peter, Thanks for the detailed report. I think this is something many of us will be trying. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: using openocd
andi wrote: Lynn Nguyen wrote: Does the cable fit completely into your neo? Because my cable doesn't go straight in. Is there a technique to make it fit? Did you have any problems making it fit? Because I think my problem is that my cable doesn't go all the way in. When you look at the contacts on the cable, you can see that there are two rows, so you have to plug the cable pretty deep into the connector. (I think I had only the first row in at the beginning...) On the connector you can see how far you have to push the cable into the connector. There is no special technique. Just push it in. andi What I am seeing on a couple of connectors and phones is that the cable is a bit wider than the opening in the connector. Yes, I know that it has always been a tight fit, but I wonder if it has gotten worse, as I can't get the cable in at all now. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIP on Debian
Peter Schwenke wrote: Using http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk//src/target/audio/om-gta02/voip-handset.state I was able to use linphone to connect to ekiga on another machine. The mic and speaker worked. The sound was a little soft and distorted. But I was juggling a headset on the other computer and the openmoko. Excellent news. This is what I'd use daily. Do you think the distortion was on the analog side e.g. volume settings, or delays on the network side? Were you using WiFi or Ethernet over USB? Were you speaking to yourself on the other computer, so not over the Internet? M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Suitable USB converter
Atilla Filiz wrote: Have you found any cheap cables/adapters to connect normal usb peripherals to the usb OTG port? A keyboard will be extremely useful at home. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_use_an_external_USB_keyboard_with_the_FreeRunner_.3F I've just added a link to the page describing the adapters. Remember that this is not a true OTG port. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Frogpad keyboard and Neo Freerunner
Lally Singh wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I've seen some mails on this topic but I can't find any conclusive one. There's a quick video demoing frogpad keyboard but it's difficult to see wether it's the usb or bt model.. Anyway, the question is, does Frogpad make a good companion for a FR? It appears to be so, but I'd like some comments. Haven't used it yet (my FR comes in today!!), but I was thinking the same as you. The USB should certainly work, as Linux is listed in the compat. listing @ thinkgeek's description thereof. Please add to the list of accessories on the wiki, noting whether these work or don't work. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: Re: Open Broadcasting Phone at BA2008]
I'd like to bring to your attention an amazing project. From their website: The Mobile Multimedia Broadcasting (MMB) team of the Communications Research Centre Canada (CRC) will showcase its new broadcasting handset prototype called openmokast in Amsterdam at the IBC 2008 exhibition this week. The prototype, based on the Openmoko FreeRunner manufactured by FIC Inc., is the first open handset to integrate the reception of live digital radio, video and data services with typical smart phone functions such as mobile telephony, wireless internet and GPS Some details: * A functional USB DAB/DMB receiver inserted inside a case extension, the design of which was based on the Openmoko CAD files * Custom software that can now receive live DAB/DMB radio and decode different types of services such as: - Musicam audio - DAB+ audio - Slideshow - Journaline text news (The software is available as a package from the download section on their website but it can be used only with input files because the hardware receiver is not available to the public.) Moreover, this OpenMoko based DAB/DMB receiver will be shown at the International Broadcasting Conference (IBC2008) in Amsterdam later this week. More details at http://openmokast.org/ Thanks to Jean-Michel Bouffard for making this possible and for bringing it to our attention! Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] up and running :)
David Samblas wrote: Thanks to Michael Siloh, I can proudly annouce the opening of the spanish openmoko list, http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/local-openmoko-spain This intended to help the spanish non-english skilled users to help and be helped by the Openmoko community, the spanish skilled-enough users will act as bridge between international and local group Any english spanish-skilled are welcome :), even anyone anything-skilled are welcome too :) So to avoid any flamewar, the idea is to make the community grow not to split it. So I encorage anyone to do the same for his localgroup. Thanks to David, really, for initiating the Spanish group, for creating the original Spanish list, and for helping me get the list moved to Openmoko. Openmoko is proud to support the Spanish local Openmoko group, and Openmoko encourages the formation of other local Openmoko groups. A mailing list seems like a useful tool, not to split the community, but to allow conversation that may not be relevant to the world at large (e.g. meetings or group purchases or, in this case, discussion in a different language). I'll be happy to create mailing lists as needed. For the time being we are doing this under the umbrella of the local-openmoko project. Email me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to request such a list. (The San Francisco local Openmoko Group, in contrast, has been invited to simply use the San Francisco Linux User's Group mailing list, at least until we become a nuisance to them.) I'll create a wiki page for local Openmoko groups, and look forward to adding more. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner
Previdi Roberto wrote: yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux system if you cannot compile code in it... Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a FreeRunner! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
T-shirt store (was: Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner)
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T-shirt store (was: Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner)
Previdi Roberto wrote: yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux system if you cannot compile code in it... Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a FreeRunner! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download
David Samblas wrote: Hi there, you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done. Thank you so much! I've loaded this and was greeted with a nice full screen of applications. I will now explore! Will you make a wiki page or shall I? I think the distributions page lists a number of unnofficial images such as scardycat, etc. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:23:43 +0200, Maciej Delmanowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 25, Joel Newkirk wrote: probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can power a hub and two adapters) I've tried to answer many of these questions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host If you feel this information is unclear, lacking, or wrong, please correct or please let me know. In particular, I'd love people to add any specific setups they have that are working. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes
Maciej Delmanowski wrote: On Aug 25, Joel Newkirk wrote: probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can power a hub and two adapters) I've thought about different idea - can FreeRunner be powered from USB power adaper connected to the USB hub? Like this: Power plug | | USB Hub---Ethernet, thumb drive, other devices | | FreeRunner You are talking about a powered USB hub. Yes, they exist, but generally they only power the _device_ USB ports, i.e. only downstream devices. A hub like this must not pump power into the upstream host, because the host is normally providing power itself. The fact that the Neo can be powered by USB when in host mode is non-standard, and thus it's unlikely that you'll find an off-the-shelf cable or hub that will do this. You will most likely have to wire something up yourself. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host#Providing_power_to_run_and_charge_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode for more details Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes (good to have)
Michele Renda wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello I want to share something that I found in a shop: http://www.conectica.ro/display/1-63-19-Adaptoare/Adaptor_USB_A___USB_A___.html With it I could use the shipped cable (Usb to Micro Usb) to attach a pendrive to my FR and to get my FR running. It cost around 1.50 euro, and it seem to be cheap to me. The good think is that it permit to use the provided cable and to don't risk to brak the micro usb part inside the FR. What do you think about it? Would be nice if they actually showed the connector from the business end, so we can see what it's like. I presume it's what we call a USB Type A Female to Female Gender Changer, like this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#Ready-made_type_A_jack_to_a_type_A_jack_adapter_.28gender_changer.29 Yes, that should allow you to connect a random USB device that is typically attached to a computer, to the end of the USB cable that came with your FreeRunner. With this adapter your USB pendrive would be powered by the FreeRunner, which is what you want. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: getting error while trying to flash my neo freerunner
Detructor wrote: Okay, I've now bootet my Neo into the NAND boot menu and started flashing...and it works! Excellent news, although I'm sure I join you in wondering why.. I don't know why, but in NOR it doesn't work... Very odd. And at first you had tried both NAND and NOR, and both worked? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hacking nokia headset HS-40 to work with OM
Alberto Morales wrote: El Saturday, 6 de September de 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió: Yes, please do it, including photos :) It's much better that it resides in the wiki than here! Please tell us the URL when you're done :) Done. - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Analog_wired_Headset_Nokia Excellent! Thanks. And linked from the following pages (very similar): - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Analog_wired_Headset Last question: what is expected to happen when the headset button is pressed? Good question. Let's ask this on the Kernel list. I presume this causes a dbus (e.g.) event so the action depends on what handlers exist, if any. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth convenience scripts
Daniel Benoy wrote:
I found a useful python script on Gentoo's boards for using the bluez-utils
d-bus interface for activating bluetooth keyboards so that they will connect
automatically when you turn them on. I've also modified it and created one
that does the same thing for A2DP headsets, and I've decided to share :) The
keyboard one can/must be used in lieu of hidd, so it's for newer versions of
bluez-utils (Available in the testing and unstable feeds)
You also have to bond (pair) the devices first. Instructions for that are
here: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/Bonding (Feel free to make a
convenience script for the bonding process too)
You may also have to run:
dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez
/org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetTrusted? string:AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF (Feel
free to add this to the script)
If you want to use an A2DP headset you can add an entry like this to your
/etc/asound.conf
pcm.bluetooth {
type bluetooth
device AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF
profile auto
}
And then you can tell alsa aware applications to use it for output. i.e.:
mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth nifty.mp3
(I believe you can also name it pcm.!default and it will become the default.)
Thanks! This is very helpful.
I'd like to add this to the wiki, but I'm just learning my way around
Bluetooth. Can you help me find the place for it?
Perhaps in
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Advanced_Audio_Distribution_Profile_.28A2DP.29
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Re: getting error while trying to flash my neo freerunner
Detructor wrote: Hey guys, I hope you can help me, I've the following problem: When I try to flash the neo on my laptop I get a Starting download: [dfu_download error -71 sometimes the download starts and then I get the error. When I get the neo in June, I could flash it without getting this error. My operating system: Ubuntu 8.04.1 I ask here, because I can't find anything about this error in the www (only 3 entries in google and none of it helps). Moving to support Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: xfwm instead of matchbox-wm on debian?
Fox Mulder wrote: Ok it seems it does work after restart. I only tried to kill matchbox-wm and start xfwm4 (and matchbox-keyboard-toggle) but then it doesn't work. Now i tried to replace the wm within the zhone-session file and rebooted and the keyboard comes when pressing the key. :) Since I don't yet have Debian installed, could you please check my instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_replace_the_matchbox_window_manager_with_the_xfce_window_manager.3F ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: xfwm instead of matchbox-wm on debian?
Fox Mulder wrote: Ok it seems it does work after restart. I only tried to kill matchbox-wm and start xfwm4 (and matchbox-keyboard-toggle) but then it doesn't work. Now i tried to replace the wm within the zhone-session file and rebooted and the keyboard comes when pressing the key. :) Since I don't yet have Debian installed, could you please check and correct as necessary my instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_replace_the_matchbox_window_manager_with_the_xfce_window_manager.3F ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Paul V. Borza wrote: Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks). However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? It provides enough current for fast charge, but unless by complete coincidence it has the same ID resistor we require, you will have to kick up the charge current manually. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power
Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote: Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another charger from another phone that says: Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz Output: 5V 1A LPS This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now. Is that charger ok to use with the Neo? Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz Output: +5V 2.0A ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold- aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :) The provided charger is rated at 2A, but the maximum the Fr can charge at is 1A http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Charging_the_Neo_FreeRunner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: prediction feature for the keyboard
Fredrik Wendt wrote: sön 2008-08-31 klockan 19:49 +0200 skrev Fredrik Wendt: [...] What I'd LOVE would be to use the entire screen as a keyboard (in landscape mode). A soft layer with low opacity containing only white letters and almost nothing more. http://wendt.se/software/openmoko/screens/keyboard-layer.png is quick a mockup of what I had in mind. That's a GREAT idea. Anyone up to creating such a thing? M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RFC: delete page USB
robin paulson wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Paul Jimenez wrote: Don't delete it; someone will recreate it. Make it a redirect to the Category:USB page. while we're on the subject, do these exist for the other major parts of the phone? i.e. 'wifi' redirect to 'category:wifi', 'gps' redirect to 'category:gps', 'accelerometer(s)' redirect to 'category:accelerometers', and so on? Dunno. I'll check. If someone can help, jump on in. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please split this list!
arne anka wrote: There was some discussion about the mailing lists a couple of months ago - one Openmoko employee said they were considering suggestions then another (apparently) unilaterally went on ahead anyway and redefined the purpose of the device-owners list, renaming it to support at the same time (an option which had not been discussed). afair it was bot times the same person, michael shiloh. the change from device-owners to support was proposed and took place because sensible: the list was created for the few that owned already an fr to discuss support questions -- for people w/o neo/fr it was of rather platonic interest. after switching to mass market and the subsequent increase of owners the name seemed not longer appropriate. Actually it wasn't me. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RFC: delete page USB
Paul Jimenez wrote: Don't delete it; someone will recreate it. Make it a redirect to the Category:USB page. Good tip. Done! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RFC: delete page USB
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB Minimal information is amply duplicated elsewhere, and the list of USB related pages is exactly what the USB category shows. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Helping Openmoko distribution team (was: Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.)
Andreas Zuber wrote: snip I hope this gets fixed in the stable branch now. My tweak link list grows every day. To OpenMoko.. is there a way to help you with the distribution? I don't like the idea of a personal repository for hotfixes like this, i think this should go directly to the official repo's. May be we can use git in a clever way to minimize the work you have with the integration of such changes. Some of our developers are buried trying to keep up with new and old bug reports. Each one needs to be verified, checked for duplication, checked for whether it's been solved, and this is all before any real bug fixing takes place. I don't want to speak for those developers, but I wonder if the community can help us with some of these tasks. I know that one of our main developers said that he spent some 30% of his time on this. This would free up developer time to work on getting fixes into the distro. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: regina wrote: *# Please Search ticket before Report (maybe already somebody report )* *#* *if you are not sure it is a bug or not , please visit here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_Cases and leave messages What you need is a full-time faq updater :) That's exactly what I'm becoming :-). Look for a lot of cleanup work in the FAQ in the next few days, and then hopefully it will be easier to insert to FAQs in a timely fashion. Most of the answers could realistically be the question 'please submit patch' though I suppose :) !! Good luck! Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
Alexey Kurochkin wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote: CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an application. I would call it Garçon. ROTFL! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Any experiences with power hungry USB devices?
I'm working on documenting various aspects of our USB port. We believe that the FreeRunner USB port should be capable of delivering the standard USB high current of 500mA. We also believe that we respond properly to USB negotiation of this current, up from the minimum of 100mA. I suddenly remembered that someone posted about using a USB keyboard that didn't work due to high current. However, the FreeRunner should be able to provide exactly as much current as a desktop PC, which I assume works with this keyboard. If any of you have experienced difficulty with the FreeRunner powering USB devices, please speak up. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB cable hacking
Daniel Dadap wrote: Hello Community, I just bought a portable USB battery pack ( one of these: http://apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=314 ) to use with my FreeRunner so that I could keep tangogps running to log a track for me during a bike ride. It worked quite well: I was able to keep the unit powered on for over 12 hours and still had some juice left over to make some phone calls at the end of the day. However, I noticed that the FR was only drawing 100mA. I was sort of hoping that the battery pack would emulate a USB host and negotiate current, but it looks like it just has available power. Anyway, I saw on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger that the included AC adapter has a 47.5 kOhm resistor betwen ID and GND. Like many other people on this list, I have dozens of USB A to Mini-B cables cluttering the house, and I figured it might be a neat idea to cut a cable, splice it short (about 20cm or so), and add a resistor. This cable would be used only for charging with the battery pack. I don't like the idea of having to switch the FR to force fast charge, possibly forgetting to switch it back before plugging it into a computer, and possibly destroying the USB port on the computer and/or the FR. A dedicated charging cable would make this simpler. Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector, and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in operation? Also, what part of the software exactly is responsible for charger detection? I guess another possibility is to hack the software to recognize shorted data pins as a charger. I have another device with a charger that identifies itself by shorted data pins, but more importantly, shorting the data pins is a much easier mod to perform on a USB cable. I suppose the easiest option would be to cut off the end of a FR charger (or other compatible charger with a resistor across GND and ID) and splice it with a USB cable... but I would like to hear other suggestions that people may have. 1. I'm working on an adapter using a 5 pin mini USB connector from Digikey (p/n H2958-ND CONN PLUG MINI USB2.0 5POS ) 2. Belkin makes a 5-conductor mini-USB to USB cable, useful as a start for another hacking project. http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=128038 3. It's possible that the ID resistor in the FR charger is in the wall-wart portion and not at the mini USB connector. 4. I'm composing a detailed wiki page to gather all of this info, and I welcome contributions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out ahh
arne anka wrote: Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in the pictures :( could you post a link to that pics? i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in lanyard hole) Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a severe oversight on our part. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out ahh
Michael Shiloh wrote: arne anka wrote: Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in the pictures :( could you post a link to that pics? i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in lanyard hole) Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a severe oversight on our part. Forgot to add that if we did, let me know - I think I have a spare one in my pocket :-) M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call
Ole Kliemann wrote: Hi everyone! I'd like to have a file where I put in phonenumber /path/to/shellscript Everytime an incoming call matches one of the numbers in this file, the device just hangs up and executes the corresponding script. Cool application. This plus Arduino could be the bases of some nice remote control. Someone suggested awhile ago a rules based engine. This sounds like a perfect start to that engine, if it is appropriately generalized. Anyone know if that rules based engine was started? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes
Joel Newkirk wrote:
I've been playing around with USB host mode for a couple weeks now, and
wanted to itemize my results. (previously touched on some of this in one
of the USB keyboard threads and on my blog) Any questions just ask, but I
mostly envision this as a thread where we can post results of various USB
hostmode tests. (to hopefully make their way onto the wiki after some
consolidation, cross-checking, and editing)
The needed cable arrived just before I flashed to 2008.08 - 2007 didn't
acknowledge keyboard, and ethernet wasn't in my hands then, other results
here apply to both 2008.08 (currently Raster's image upgraded via Zecke-dev
feeds) and 2007.02 versions.
2gb thumbdrive - automounts, reads writes fine. ('Plain' Sony
thumbdrive, no encryption or compression, VFAT)
keyboards - most work flawlessly when plugged in (3 out of 4 tested),
including automatically disabling software keyboard. (Thanks Raster!!)
The one tested that did not work is a Dell multimedia keyboard with 2-port
USB hub and volume knob as a second USB device - it also states that it
draws 1.5A, so I was unsurprised when it didn't power up.
Canon S410 Elph digital camera - (self-powered) lsusb shows the device, no
drivers installed. (I'd like to be able to transfer pix from the camera to
the Freerunner)
Epson printer - (self powered) device is visible in lsusb, no driver
support installed/configured on my Freerunner yet...
Logitech webcams (Quickcam Communicate STX and Quickcam Chat [IIRC]) -
device visible in lsusb, but gspca and usb-video kernel modules are
unavailable ATM.
Netgear wifi adapter - powers device, lsusb shows it, no support enabled in
kernel AFAIK. Not really necessary on GTA02, though there are some
scenarios to utilize dual wifi, especially if at least one supports Wifi
Master mode. (iwconfig refuses on built-in wifi so presumably driver
doesn't support, at least - I'd love to get madwifi going, but suspect the
SDIO interface leaves us unsupported there since they won't even support
USB wifi devices with the same chipset as a supported PCI wifi card)
Ethernet 10/100 adapter - arrived today, works perfectly. Plugged into
ethernet then USB, and Freerunner powers device, establishes ethernet link
on eth1, and picks up IPs and routing. Perfect, beautiful, and painfree.
Pinging Google less than 7 seconds after plugging in.
That last one, ethernet, just made my Freerunner an indispensable network
diagnostic tool. :) (now I just need tshark/wireshark, ettercap, handy
things like that) I'm likely going to order a second, see if there's any
way I can position the Freerunner mid-cable with the two ethernets bridged,
and sniff traffic. ;) (obviously would be limited by USB 1.1 bandwidth but
probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can
power a hub and two adapters)
I will add this to the wiki right away, and correct as the discussion
continues. This info is too good to lose in the mailing list (although I
guess you could say it's not much worse than getting lost in the wiki,
and perhaps better, since the mailing list archives are more easily
searched than the wiki).
Michael
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Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
Steve Mosher wrote: you may have the same problem I discovered some while back. When I wore my tester hat. Micheal may be able to help you. Micheal, can you assist here? or tony? There was a response (before Steve's) that suggested a battery issue. I agree with that, and would want first to confirm that the battery is not dead. Can you measure the battery voltage, or test with another battery? tokenwizard wrote: I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it through Koolu.com as soon as it was possible and I got it about three weeks later. The OM2007 on it was next to useless so I updated and found a bit more functionality. Later I installed Qtopia and I really liked that most of the functionality was there, but I still wanted to run an OM distro, so I tried the ASU 2008.8. I really dislike where that one is going as far as the illume UI. So I went back to 2008.4 and kept it that way for a bit. TOday I plugged my phone into the USB on my PC to charge as I always have (while the phone was running) and the screen immediately went black. No, with this being a development phone, this didn't really phase me at first. This thing has seen its fair share of mysterious power issues. But this time was different. No matter what I do, I cannot get the damn thing to come back to life. I know it's not the battery because it was almost half full when I plugged it in. But I have tried holding the Power button for 10 seconds, and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both with and without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for about a minute. It seems as I have a dead phone now. I don't even hear that distinctive little hiss that you normally hear when you first press the Power button! Anybody seen this before?? James steve-2 wrote: I have a tiny tiny head so all the hats fit. we are putting together a policy for people who bought from the openmoko store. there are several issues. We offer a 14 day DOA Warrenty and a 28 day warrenty for 10 packs. The issue is what does DOA mean? Dead on Arrival. If your GSM doesnt work, but getting a download fixes it? is that DOA? If your GSM doesnt work but getting a new card fixes it? is that DOA? same with GPS, did the software download fix it? If you send the phone back and it works fine, what to do? if you send back a phone and it works fine, who pays for shipping? Now in the US at retail you can return something if the sky is blue. We can't work that way and build a open source phone. well, we can but the cost of blue sky returns would have to be added to the phone. In the end, as micheal will tell you, I work every case. So, If you have a problem, email me or micheal. tell us that you tried the fixes we suggested. And we will work from there. Michael Shiloh wrote: ian douglas wrote: Sean/Michael/Community: It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD fixes and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm hoping that at some point the squeaky wheel cliche will work itself out and we'll get an answer. The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty, we need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover? My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases got a 14-day warranty, and group purchases were given a 28-day warranty, but we've never been told what the warranty includes. I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're cleaning it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing list archives anyway. Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems at a hardware level? Thanks, Ian Ian, I agree with you, and I'm sure Steve and Sean (and everyone at Openmoko) do as well. I'm sure that the only reason that Steve has not responded (for he is the one to respond to this) is that he is completely overwhelmed by email, manufacturing and shipping, and releasing stuff this week. He is wearing the hats of Marketing, Operations, Manufacturing, Shipping, Testing, Hardware and Software final test, Field Engineer Manager, Customer Service Manager, Product Oversight (a new category I just created), Trade Show Coordinator, Vertical Market Manager, and many others I can't even remember. I will be talking to him today and I'll see if we can address this issue. Thanks for helping to keep us focused, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list
Re: Krells!
Dale Maggee wrote: If you're like me, you're a big fan of gkrellm, and you always have it running so you can keep an eye on what your system is doing. I wanted to have a remote display of my FR CPU usage on my host, for the same reason - to be able to see at a glance what's going on. Looking at gkrellm's man page, I discovered that it can monitor a remote host which is running gkrellmd - the gkrellm daemon. So I downloaded the source and tried to compile the daemon for the freerunner using the toolchain (I haven't got the mokomakefile set up yet). I wasn't able to build an ipkg, but I was able to run the resulting binary on the freerunner, then connect to it from my host, achieving just what I wanted. screenshot: http://users.on.net/~antisol/krells.jpg (the krell on the left is the freerunner, the other one is my host) the gkrellmd binary: http://users.on.net/~antisol/gkrellmd.tar.gz to use it, just untar the binary, scp it to your freerunner, run gkrellmd -d on your freerunner, then run gkrellm -s freerunner ip on your host. it takes a while (~10 seconds) to connect, so be patient. Hopefully somebody else will find this usefull! :) adds this to list of things you can't do with any other phone Cheers, -Dale This is awesome. Thanks! And thanks too for showing how you did this. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New openmoko packages database
Thomas Bertani wrote: Hi, As soon as possible I'll release a new online service similar to getdeb.net http://getdeb.net, but for ipk packages. everybody can add apps with descriptions, screenshots, videos and comme (there will be also a rank system). A nice search engine will be available. This is excellent. Thanks! Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out aaaah
Shawn Thompson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:51 AM, carmen r [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://whats-your.name wrote: On Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:42:19PM -0600, Jeff Sadowski wrote: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Maybe by the time I get a chance to buy one they will have enough processor power, ram and disk space to replace my laptop. Every time I even look to buy it I see the sold out. i believe the strategy is to order from a local distributor eg Koolu for north america The problem with ordering from Koolu is that there may be taxes or duty at the border that you wouldn't know about until the order is placed. I want to order mine but I'm afraid they'd charge a premium at the border to let it through. Did you check the distributor section of our website? I think Koolu has a USA address as well now. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?
Lothar Behrens wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 13:55 +0200 schrieb Lothar Behrens: Hi, just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES or ProE format and is Open Source. See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/ Hi, I do currently convert these iges files into g files that could be read directly by mged of the BRL-CAD package. If someone is interested, I could upload a tgz file to anywhere if the conversion is ready. The CAD package also was compileable without any problems on my Debian Etch (PPC) Regards Lothar Hi Lothar, That's very kind of you. I would be happy to host these files on downloads.openmoko. In fact, the only files OM created are the PRO/E files. The IGES and STEP files are community provided. If anyone can provide conversions to any other format we are happy to host them on downloads. If you place the files somewhere temporary and tell me, I will copy them to downloads. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
