Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Xavier Vens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with the image http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/, but after adding the testing branch of http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/http://people.openmoko.org/%7Ezecke/ i can dialout/receiving calls/ receiving system sms from provider voicemail/ receiving normal sms from friends. 1 i have installed the images from http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ (20080815) 2 i deleted files in the /var/lib/opkg folder 3 create the zecke.conf file in /etc/opkg (om2008.8-testing) 4 opkg update 5 opkg upgrade and reboot 6 started the dialer, entring my pin code it's works well, now let's see the stability ;) I am using the stock om2008.8 images, and with both zecke-dev and zecke-testing repos, I'm getting errors like the following while doing opkg upgrade (after opkg update) for a lot of packages/libraries: Failed to download qtopia-phone-x11-taskmanager-app-data. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'? What am I doing wrong? And why doesn't somebody test basic phone functions before publishing a 'stable' release? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Several questions about ASU
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Alexander Menk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, here are the URLs for Google Maps in TangoGPS: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/12-FAQ.html Alex I have a curious problem with my FR on 2008.08: My GPS works with AGPS UI, but TangoGPS and GPSDrive can't find the GPS device. I checked /etc/default/gpsd and it read GPS_DEV=/dev/ttyS3 I changed that to read GPS_DEV=/dev/ttySAC1 as recommended by http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Use_the_GPS When I was on 2007.02, GPS worked with TangoGPS, but now I can't seem to get it done even after doing as stated above. The default Map application with the stock 2008.08 image worked when I checked it earlier, but I don't use the FR as a phone yet, so am not sure if it is still the case. Anybody has some pointers? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 zecke gstreamer errors
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Dylan Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Using the 2008.08 testing repository from zecke, both the openmoko and qtopia media players throw gstreamer errors on my device when trying to play audio. Possibly related, the qtopia player can not read mp3 tag information (all tracks are unknown). I have not had time to look into the cause for this yet. Has anyone else experienced this and possibly fixed it? Could it be a package or configuration related issue? You know what's weird? Before applying the updates from Zecke's testing branch today, neither of the openmoko or qtopia mediaplayers were working for me. OM was either throwing up gstreamer errors or did not seem to do anything, and the qtopia one didn't play anything and didn't even quit. After the updates and installing mplayer, both are working. The QMP takes a while after starting and some cyclic pressing of - || - buttons for an mp3 file to play. You could try to reinstall the gstreamer plugins. I still wonder what has happened to openmoko-mediaplayer2's volume button. And why the FR doesn't have the most basic buttons: call pickup, call reject, and volume control. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Garbled SMS messages with OM2008.8?
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Vibhav Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: Matthew Lane wrote: Tim Erwin wrote: So what do you mean by 'Qtopia being silly' ??? Does it have something to do with Zecke's cautionary message (#68, 69?) in trac #1766? About ghost messages and calls appearing on the call screen when a non-standard libfcix.so was used? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: comment of an iphone user
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Matthias Berse [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi All, I finally decided to post something to this list I experienced today. I have a collegue I work with who is usually the first to get new cool tech gadgets. Sure enough he got both the first iphone and now just recently the second iphone. After hesitating for some days after getting the freerunner I would show it to him today. He was stunned! He said it feels really good in the hand. Actually thats the kind of feedback most people I know told me immidiately after handing it to them. Also the rubber like finish, he thinks is much better then the finish on the iphone. Sure enough he was blown away by the detail the display shows and really really impressed by the fact that this is all result of an open source project. The boots, well he liked them since he knows... And his comment about the linux kernel messages: Ah the same with a cracked iphone (I never cared to look into iphones that deep). So I think this was really cool since I did not demo much more just boot and tangogps and illume. So let's all get our hands dirty and make the software stack rock solid to make the neo's rock and roll! Openmoko Team keep up the good work! Cheers, Matthias Yes, and let's make sure that the basic phone functions work faultlessly out of the box so that colleagues don't laugh at our backs (thinking the $450 purchase was a costly mistake from a rush of hubris). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Several questions about ASU
OK, after rebooting the FR, TangoGPS and GPSDrive are working, so GPS_DEV=/dev/ttySAC1 is correct. However, now TangoGPS crashes within a couple of minutes - I guess trying to fix orientation, because I was turning around trying to see if it worked, and started to freeze, and then fail. AGPS UI was able to find a fix within mere seconds, or probably no more than 1 minute! On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Alexander Menk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, here are the URLs for Google Maps in TangoGPS: http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/12-FAQ.html Alex I have a curious problem with my FR on 2008.08: My GPS works with AGPS UI, but TangoGPS and GPSDrive can't find the GPS device. I checked /etc/default/gpsd and it read GPS_DEV=/dev/ttyS3 I changed that to read GPS_DEV=/dev/ttySAC1 as recommended by http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Use_the_GPS When I was on 2007.02, GPS worked with TangoGPS, but now I can't seem to get it done even after doing as stated above. The default Map application with the stock 2008.08 image worked when I checked it earlier, but I don't use the FR as a phone yet, so am not sure if it is still the case. Anybody has some pointers? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OM2008.8, importing VCF contacts
Hi, I've been doing the following (same command, different directory location) export DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook /home/root/addressbook.vcf The problem I have is that I have to issue the second command for each VCF file in my exported contacts folder. Is this the only way, or can all VCF files be imported all at once? I have hundreds of them, so this is very important. By the way, I have also installed the openmoko-contacts application and imported all files with one of the scripts on the wiki. However, as the alternate dialer doesn't work (can't get a lock on gsmd), I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. The 2007.2 version is better in one way - it lets you create as many categories as you want, while the qtopia version only has 'business' and 'personal' categories. Again, any pointers? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM registration still takes time - OM2008.08 with Zecke-testing
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens if you try to suspend the FR after it has rebooted? When I wake up my FR after suspend it registers very quickly to the network. YMMV. Suspend? If I activate both the 'blank' and 'suspend' options under the Configuration Power menu, the phone does not wake up at all. I had once been able to get it suspended and wake it up with the power button, but I am no longer sure how that magic worked. By the way, now the OM-dialer also works, but it seems to have a clash with the QT dialer and either one does not respond whenever there is a call. Is there a way to specify the default dialer? Moot question, probably, because somebody pointed out just now how I could import all contacts at once in the QT contacts and remove the OM-dialer. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Backup rootfs and turn it into flasheable image
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:34 PM, David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just flashed the resulting jffs2 file and no luck a precious kernel panic arise JFFS2 compresion type 0x07 not aviable Error: jffs2_decompress returned -5 Any ideas?? I had the same error code. I had a working 2007.2 then. Why does it so long to take a backup? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM registration still takes time - OM2008.08 with Zecke-testing
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suspend? If I activate both the 'blank' and 'suspend' options under the Configuration Power menu, the phone does not wake up at all. I had once been able to get it suspended and wake it up with the power button, but I am no longer sure how that magic worked. Strange - it works here. I have to press the power button for a few seconds, which is a bit unnerving as I am worried that I will reboot the phone. But it works every time. I tried that...leads to shutdown. What is the magic number of seconds that worked for you? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Alex Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olivier Berger wrote: Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, there's an updated image of 2008.8 from yesterday, I still haven't flashed it - does someone know if it's worth it, what's new inside ? You mean : http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ as http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ doesn't seem to have changed, if trusting the timestamps ? Dunno... maybe you can diff the contents of the roofs tarballs and tell us ? ;) It's been long since the release, without any official updates... so maybe time has come... maybe it's the announced 2008.9 ? I'll try it out in the next 12 hours or so and report back... (2008.8 was a complete write off for me... hopefully I don't lose the better part of the day again...) Can't any release maintainers comment on this? Has there been any announcement on other lists? I have taken lots of pains to make my FR even nominally usable as a phone on OM2008.8. I too don't want to reinvent the wheel...oh, and would there be individual updated packages available instead of just the images? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I push a new rootfs image onto my FreeRunner it takes aproximately 10 minutes. It's a PITA having to wait that long when I try to track down where some functionality got lost or went broken. If the issue is not kernel related you could just mount different systems with NFS and chroot inside them? Then you wouldn't even need to reboot between tries. Does this relate to the SD card or the flash inside the FR? I usually spend an hour or more waiting for the rootfs flash to complete. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update
Another fine mess we've got ourselves into, Stanley! On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Jelle De Loecker [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Well, look at those filenames: 20080826-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/20080826-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2 It's a filename which actually makes sense! Anyhow, I installed the 20080808 image a few days ago and upgraded with Zecke's repository and my phone is running really smooth, I'm afraid to make any changes to it. I don't even dare to do an opkg upgrade! :) Nishit Dave schreef: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Alex Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olivier Berger wrote: Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, there's an updated image of 2008.8 from yesterday, I still haven't flashed it - does someone know if it's worth it, what's new inside ? You mean : http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ as http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/ doesn't seem to have changed, if trusting the timestamps ? Dunno... maybe you can diff the contents of the roofs tarballs and tell us ? ;) It's been long since the release, without any official updates... so maybe time has come... maybe it's the announced 2008.9 ? I'll try it out in the next 12 hours or so and report back... (2008.8 was a complete write off for me... hopefully I don't lose the better part of the day again...) Can't any release maintainers comment on this? Has there been any announcement on other lists? I have taken lots of pains to make my FR even nominally usable as a phone on OM2008.8. I too don't want to reinvent the wheel...oh, and would there be individual updated packages available instead of just the images? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, importing VCF contacts
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Alexander Menk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi! unfortunately, everytime when calling addressbook, it asks for confirmation which is anoying in a for loop. I exported contacts from Thunderbird using https://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/morecols-en.htmlhttps://nic-nac-project.org/%7Ekaosmos/morecols-en.html and than I just concated the who vcf files into one: cat *.vcf all.vcf This one can be easily imported. Also German umlauts are working fine. Alex Thanks, worked 'like a charm', to quote the hackneyed cliche! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marek Lindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 26. August 2008 18:07:25 Yorick Moko wrote: Marek, installing that illume-config package was the first thing I did yesterday. It only gives the qwerty button in the upper left corner. I have not found a way to enable the spanner. It should do both (as the description indicates). Please open a bug in our trac if it does not work as expected. My apologies if I have offended you. I just want to understand why some good things were being left out at this stage. If you would give the reason to not use the keyboard like in the raster-image (or excluding the full-qwerty.kbd) at this point it would help me very much in understanding it. No offense taken. I simply would prefer a more reasonable feedback that we can process. General speaking, we don't want to exclude anything. To provide maximum flexibility and freedom we want to move everything to packages. The raster keyboard, the button, $whatever can be put into a package and shared with the world. There is no need to wait for anyone (including Openmoko) to do that for you. Just get your hands dirty and help increasing the choice. Marek, Yorick is right, and is speaking for a lot of us. Please appreciate that many of us have to do a lot of work to get the (cough)damned(cough) FR to connect to the internet to install packages in the first place. Actually, there is a very big design issue here, because most of the tasks are accomplished only through USB networking, and for the unfortunate ones amongst us who want to use it as a daily phone, it is not always possible to have a laptop and cable handy (e.g. while driving about). What we (as users) would really appreciate, say like icing on cake, would be to see real-world-usability be given a spin by the developers before a stable release. That would avoid a lot of pain, and repeated questions on the lists. We would be more than willing to submit all the bug reports you ever wanted after that. And packages, from those that don't lack thumbs in programming. You guys are doing a fantastic job, and by all means, keep it up. But also spare a thought about the clueless ones like us. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TangoGPS and Locations maps
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The maps used by locations, are vectioral maps? Thank you Michele Renda robin paulson wrote: julien cubizolles wrote: Would it be possible for TangGPS and Locations to share osm maps ? If not, where does Locations store its (I'd like to backup them in case of flashing) from what i can tell, locations stores the maps in it's own format, which is not compatible with tango, which directly uses the png files supplied by osm: We love the choice Linux offers. Yeah. That is what keeps us going on. Would it not be better to use googlemaps wherever made possible by GPRS? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM registration still takes time - OM2008.08 with Zecke-testing
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Thomas B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:28:55PM +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happens if you try to suspend the FR after it has rebooted? When I wake up my FR after suspend it registers very quickly to the network. YMMV. Suspend? If I activate both the 'blank' and 'suspend' options under the Configuration Power menu, the phone does not wake up at all. I had once been able to get it suspended and wake it up with the power button, but I am no longer sure how that magic worked. By the way, now the OM-dialer also works, but it seems to have a clash with the QT dialer and either one does not respond whenever there is a call. Is there a way to specify the default dialer? Moot question, probably, because somebody pointed out just now how I could import all contacts at once in the QT contacts and remove the OM-dialer. You have both the dialer from OM2007.2 and the Qtopia dialer installed? Then that's probably why it takes so long for your phone to register to the network: OM-dialer depends on gsmd, but Qtopia has its own GSM stack, and the two are conflicting. So either remove Qtopia completely, or remove gsmd. Was about to remove the OM dialer. Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about FR (ASU)
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:12 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have found some problems that are knows from all, like : - the GPS need to have a internet connexion by USB or Wifi to get the Map how is that a problem? since the maps are available over the net, you need to get them somehow. if you don't like having the fr download 'em itself, download them elsewhere an put on the sd card. - when we call a friend, he gets an echo of him voice the _echo_ seems to be a problem rather of your network/position, afaik. I would like to know if there is a pdf ready (in test or release) for ASU ? pdf? Gabriel is a new user (like me). He might have used a GPS device before, and therefore expects that there would be some preloaded maps. He might also be hinting at the lack of workable GPRS support in the FR. If it is not the echo problem, it is the buzzing problem. When the signal strength drops, buzzing starts as the phone tries to power up the antenna. And further, Gabriel seems to be asking for a guide. So let us point him to this: http://quickstart.openmoko.org/ and the other software guide I had seen it the other day. Where is it? But most of all, as Gabriel is a new user and there will be many more like us, we should not be dismissive but helpful. Just some advice. Note to Gabriel: RTFW (Read The Wiki). It will point you to some clues. Back up your existing .state files before you experiment with alsamixer, so that if everything goes FUBAR, you can at least restore it to the original, if echoing state. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:18 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this relate to the SD card or the flash inside the FR? I usually spend an hour or more waiting for the rootfs flash to complete. Are you using dfu-utils for windows. On my celeron laptop running ubuntu the rootfs flashing process does not take more than 15 min. The win dfu-utils is much slower. Yes, it is Windows, because my dual booting laptop with Fedora 9 somehow refuses to connect to the internet through either the office LAN or the CDMA pc card (ubuntu works on the LAN 'like a charm', even from a live CD). Talk about banging your head. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM registration still takes time - OM2008.08 with Zecke-testing
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Alexey Kurochkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 13:19 +0200, Thomas B. wrote: You have both the dialer from OM2007.2 and the Qtopia dialer installed? Then that's probably why it takes so long for your phone to register to the network: OM-dialer depends on gsmd, but Qtopia has its own GSM stack, and the two are conflicting. So either remove Qtopia completely, or remove gsmd. Both dialers are in repos and I bet a lot of folks will install them not knowing that OM dialer really brakes things. Are there any instructions how to fully remove OM dialer + gsmd or how to fully remove Qtopia to fix it without reflashing? And why gsmd was replaced with qpe in the first place? Is gsmd somehow bad/buggy/obsolete? If it is so, would OM dialer will be ported to talk to qpe? I have removed the OM-dialer, and the phone has been unable to register 1-2 hours after rebooting. What is it that I need to check in the logs / libraries? Do I need to remove gsmd as well? The phone had worked infrequently even when both dialers were installed. Now it is not. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM registration still takes time - OM2008.08 with Zecke-testing
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Alexey Kurochkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 13:19 +0200, Thomas B. wrote: You have both the dialer from OM2007.2 and the Qtopia dialer installed? Then that's probably why it takes so long for your phone to register to the network: OM-dialer depends on gsmd, but Qtopia has its own GSM stack, and the two are conflicting. So either remove Qtopia completely, or remove gsmd. Both dialers are in repos and I bet a lot of folks will install them not knowing that OM dialer really brakes things. Are there any instructions how to fully remove OM dialer + gsmd or how to fully remove Qtopia to fix it without reflashing? And why gsmd was replaced with qpe in the first place? Is gsmd somehow bad/buggy/obsolete? If it is so, would OM dialer will be ported to talk to qpe? I have removed the OM-dialer, and the phone has been unable to register 1-2 hours after rebooting. What is it that I need to check in the logs / libraries? Do I need to remove gsmd as well? The phone had worked infrequently even when both dialers were installed. Now it is not. OK, now I have removed gsmd too: opkg remove libgsmd opkg remove gsmd-plugins opkg remove gsmd* just to avoid use of -force options. Status report in 10, 9, 8...(minutes? let's dream on) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Questions about FR (ASU)
I can guarantee it didn't install till 24 hours ago. Missing dependencies: I stopped at libgcc. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:18 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pdf Yes i would like to read EBook on my FR but i dont find a repository with a software to read that boy, that's hard to infer from the question. there should be epdfview somewhere, if not i built it a while ago http://ginguppin.de/node/21 but i won't guarantee it still installs. btw: please reply to community! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Headset state in OM2008.8, QPE version
Hi, I am now using the qpe based call interface. I have found the following; If the headset is connected during an ongoing call, the state doesn't change automatically. You have to manually select 'speakerphone' from options to make the headset work. Even then, sound is heard through one earbud (the turn amp speaker off bug). The mic in the headset does not work, but the mic in the phone works as if in the speakerphone mode. If one were sitting at a desk playing with alsamixer through SSH, it would be easy to hear sound through both earbuds, but this ideal world scenario is in direct dissonance with the real world scenario where the headset is employed while driving. Further, the myriad options under alsamixer -V all confuse the user entirely, and do not give a clue as to which value to change so that the headset mic works. When the headset is already plugged in (before a call), there is static from the earbuds, which means it can drain off the battery as there is signal leakage. When a call comes in, the headset works automatically, BUT its mic still does not! With OM2008.8, I don't see alsamixer -V all show changes in the state files when the headset is plugged in while in use. It worked in 2007.2. Has anybody else been able to replicate this problem? Does one need to file a bug report for this, or is there an easier solution? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update report
hair-raising On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: What's most visibly new: Battery icon when unplugged red LED behind AUX button shines more snappy (or is it because it's a fresh install ?) repositories is online for update and community applications Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: Headset state in OM2008.8, QPE version
No responses so far... -- Forwarded message -- From: Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:19 PM Subject: Headset state in OM2008.8, QPE version To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Hi, I am now using the qpe based call interface. I have found the following; If the headset is connected during an ongoing call, the state doesn't change automatically. You have to manually select 'speakerphone' from options to make the headset work. Even then, sound is heard through one earbud (the turn amp speaker off bug). The mic in the headset does not work, but the mic in the phone works as if in the speakerphone mode. If one were sitting at a desk playing with alsamixer through SSH, it would be easy to hear sound through both earbuds, but this ideal world scenario is in direct dissonance with the real world scenario where the headset is employed while driving. Further, the myriad options under alsamixer -V all confuse the user entirely, and do not give a clue as to which value to change so that the headset mic works. When the headset is already plugged in (before a call), there is static from the earbuds, which means it can drain off the battery as there is signal leakage. When a call comes in, the headset works automatically, BUT its mic still does not! With OM2008.8, I don't see alsamixer -V all show changes in the state files when the headset is plugged in while in use. It worked in 2007.2. Has anybody else been able to replicate this problem? Does one need to file a bug report for this, or is there an easier solution? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: will GTA03 be ready for holiday season?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It seems that the first 25 GTA03 Evaluation Boards have already arrived to wolfgang on August the 11th [1], so the phone *might* arrive in shops in december, I think no one knows. [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td729555 BTW: It is unsure what will be in (what kind of camera, what GSM chip, and so on), but what won't be there is quite sure: -No Glamo -No 3G -No USB 2.0 So now we are targeting crippling the phone further? Real iPhone killer it is going to be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM calls fail after a while on OM2008.8 update (with Zecke repo)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Russell Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks - that'll keep me going for now :-) Russ 2008/8/27 Jeff Bailes [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 13:43 +0100, Russell Hay wrote: Hi list, after a while I find that I cannot dial out (GSM calls) from the Freerunner OM2008.8. Calls simply don't complete. This is using the default dialler - I haven't installed any other dialler. I've noticed this too, haven't got round to looking for a bug report yet. However, a temporary workaround is to reset gsm with a 'killall qpe' and click 'Restart' on the dialogue that pops up, you'll have to re-enter your PIN but it lets me call again (saves a lengthy reboot). Jeff Can someone write handy scripts for this and restoring the gsmheadset.state file while using the headset etc., which can be put on the home screen? We could also have a special Rescue package to be used in emergencies. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for clarity's sake: When using Om2008.8-upgrade, which feeds do we need to use? http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ or zecke's feeds? or do we have to wait a little bit? thanks y Before the 2008.8_26 release, I was using the Zecke-testing feed to get the phone in a usable state. After disabling that feed, some packages just didn't upgrade, so I had to enable it to update them. After disabling the Zecke-testing feed again (after last night's upgrade), opkg can upgrade against the normal OM2008.8-update, although the only package I could find with an upgrade was Angstrom-version (1 hour ago). So, anyway, if you have used Zecke's feeds before, do one final upgrade and then you can be on the mainstream feed. When will we see significant updates to it, by the way? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2008, Michele Renda wrote: Al Johnson wrote: While we're on the subject of bugs closed for obscure reasons, can you shed any light on why #1442 was closed? Is there really no intention to get the headset to work on ASU/2008.x? Where you inserted this bug? Not me. I just found it yesterday when someone asked about the headset not working. Looks like it was filed, and finally closed, by Openmoko QA. It was me asking. I still want a solution. This is teh sux0rs. I watched the bug 1442: It seem to be that was setted as Qtopia bug, so they will not fix it. So I think they are working on the last framework, so they will not fix it in Qtopia, but in AsU (2008.8 and newer). Then it is only a my opinion, but I don't think that Openmoko doesn't want to let us to use our headset. I hope so, but the problem still exists in 2008.8 (Raster image plus zecke updates) and the ticket is closed so I fear it won't get any attention. I would be really disappointed if this is true. Actual usability of basic phone functions should be tested thoroughly before release. I use a MotoRokr E6 as my regular phone, and find the huge difference in the usability of the EZX interface and whatever I have seen here to be insurmountable. Yeah, of course, Motorola does not release EZX as open source. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: - Genuine People Personality Module Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't talk on me about it modes? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 update
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fre 2008-08-29 klockan 16:44 +0530 skrev Nishit Dave: Actual usability of basic phone functions should be tested thoroughly before release. I use a MotoRokr E6 as my regular phone, and find the huge difference in the usability of the EZX interface and whatever I have seen here to be insurmountable. Yeah, of course, Motorola does not release EZX as open source. OpenMoko doesn't release the software as complete either - you bought hardware with incomplete software. I'm confident they'll adress that in time. If you can't wait you're supposed to open the source and dig in yourself. That's just the way things are (and looking at the amount of traffic you've added to this list you should know by now). / Fredrik, still using a SonyEricsson phone as phone (playing with FR) If I could code 2 lines to save my life, don't you think I would be doing something now? I usually keep on asking questions, and try to help other more clueless beings with my limited knowledge (e.g. on LUGs). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: some hardware suggestions
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't talk on me about it modes? This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. Hey, you're close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these) groceries. All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse... Yes. And then we can sample our wives' voices to use with festival? This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible. Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as well. We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself. Which is why the ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2]. Yours truly may be witnessed in the list - complaining about the FR. I really would love to see (a) reliable phone functions, and (b) GPRS GUI working so I can exploit the FR's tremendous potential. [1] http://www.glug-bom.org [2] http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Tom Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456). that way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in. but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having a local number (eg 07971 123456). these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... . a) do other people find this also? b) does this qualify as a bug? c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug tracker? FWIW, I think phones normally check the last few digits of a phone number, and ignore the country code / area code part when looking up for contact name. Are you sure this is not just an issue with delay in the dialer look up routine because of the call? One way to check is if the name can be seen in your call logs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Andreas Zuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag, 29. August 2008 14.45:11 schrieb H.Hveem: Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This is a common question on this list. I can only tell you the features i know for sure until now. known features of GTA04: - DBI (Direct Brain Interface) - trans warp gate projector - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power - timemachine - build in stylus This will be a great new gadget! May be you can use it to travel two years into the future an ask about GTA10 There is definitely a use for such questions - for sharpening your wit. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:26 PM, malte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I know this problem from the cryptosms.org project. basically the telco is providing/sending the incoming number (not the phone). the format of this number seems to vary even with the same telco. I've seen these +49 179... 0049 179... 49 179... 0179... I'm not sure if this list shows all possible 'encodings'. Does anyone know if there is a standard on how to translate these numbers into each other, which are valid and which not? I used to own an Ericsson T10s so many years ago. That phone had the simplistic solution of checking the last 7-8 digits of the number. Of course, this can create confusion in the rare case that you have special numbers for your different phones, or the last part shared by contacts. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ePDFviewer and reflowing text
Hi there, I have installed ePDFviewer from http://www.ginguppin.de/node/21 after loading all missing dependencies from the feed at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/ (and it was a long list!) It's working fine now, but I wanted to know if there is a way in ePDFview to reflow text. I have the Picsel Viewer application on my MotoRokr E6, which allows me to open PDFs and other formats, and in many cases, it allows reflowing of text so that it fits the small screen but is still easily readable. Such functionality would be quite useful for the FR too. Does anybody have any ideas / experience? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ePDFviewer and reflowing text
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 2:43 AM, Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I have installed ePDFviewer from http://www.ginguppin.de/node/21 after loading all missing dependencies from the feed at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/ (and it was a long list!) Could you please post the list here for others? Sure, here it is, with the paths: wget http://www.ginguppin.de/files/epdfview_poppler.tar.bz2 and untar it to a temporary directory. Then, do what is required as per the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Epdfview You will land on the verge of dependency hell. These are the libraries you will need to install: libglib-2.0-0 (= 2.16.4) * gtk+ (= 2.12.11) * libcairo2 (= 1.6.4) * libpoppler-glib3 (= 0.8.4) in addition to libfreetype6 (=2.3.6) and libgcc1_4.2.4-r3. Oh, and you also need libpixman-1-0_0.10.0 Most of the libraries required are not available at all, or with the correct versions, in the OM repositories. I installed the package late last night, so I don't remember the exact sequence of all of this, and some other minor sub-dependencies, but there is no need to panic. You can just get everything from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ The more experienced users can add the feed as a repository and let opkg take all the trouble, but I don't know if this disrupts your regular updates: echo src/gz angstrom-2008 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ /etc/opkg/angstrom.conf and opkg update Then: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:your/temp/directory/location# opkg install epdfview_0.1.6-r3_armv4t.ipk If you are fine with the extra effort versus risk, better try doing it like this without adding the repo: (exampli gratia) opkg install http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libpixman-1-0_0.10.0-r0_armv4t.ipk (this was probably the lowest level dependency that needed to be installed) When you install gtk+ from angstrom-distribution.org (provided other dependencies are satisfied), you will run up to an error with it's wanting to replace some libraries. I used the -force-overwrite option to do it, YMMV. The best way is to start from the epdfview package, and install dependencies as they come up. It is best accomplished through SSH, with the angstrom feed open in a browser, so you can directly copy and paste the package urls. HTH. Now what about reflowing text? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ePDFviewer and reflowing text
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: echo src/gz angstrom-2008 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ /etc/opkg/angstrom.conf and opkg update If you did that, once you install epdfview successfully, also be kind enough to mv /etc/opkg/anstrom.conf /etc/opkg/angstrom.conf.bak ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
HAL update, OM2008.8
Hi, The current upgrade of hal from 0.5.9-r6 to 0.5.11-r0 today through the official repository led to the following exit message (relating to haldaemon): Cannot create link over existing -/etc/resolv.conf-. which would be the case because of the earlier resolvconf problem being solved manually by creating a real /etc/resolv.conf file. Now, should that file be replaced again with a link, and how? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: HAL update, OM2008.8
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: Hi, The current upgrade of hal from 0.5.9-r6 to 0.5.11-r0 today through the official repository led to the following exit message (relating to haldaemon): Cannot create link over existing -/etc/resolv.conf-. which would be the case because of the earlier resolvconf problem being solved manually by creating a real /etc/resolv.conf file. Now, should that file be replaced again with a link, and how? Move resolv.conf to /var/run/resolv.conf and then link /etc/resolv.conf to it. maybe. Found an update on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8#Known_Issues NOTE: Solusion: Steps to add missing scripts: touch /etc/resolvconf/run/enable-updates cd /etc ; rm resolv.conf ; ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf . mkdir /lib/resolvconf/ ; cd /lib/resolvconf/ wget http://kopparv34.mine.nu/list-records Edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove the lines: network 192.168.0.0 gateway 192.168.0.200 If we need to use the usb network more then just locally from the computer in the other end of the USB-cable, login with ssh and add a default route like this: route add default gateway 192.168.0.200 I haven't tried it so far. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ePDFviewer and reflowing text
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: echo src/gz angstrom-2008 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/ /etc/opkg/angstrom.conf and opkg update If you did that, once you install epdfview successfully, also be kind enough to mv /etc/opkg/anstrom.conf /etc/opkg/angstrom.conf.bak Probably due to all the dependencies I installed for epdfview, I was able to install the http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/gsm0710muxd_0.9.1+gitr6fecc78198dd821bbe29efd096bd8fecd855179d-r0_armv4t.ipk gsm muxer for gprs without any missing dependencies. Just for the record. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OM2008.8, GPRS using multiplexing and GUI for Vodafone Live! in Mumbai
Hi, I am going by the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS#Option_1:_With_GSM_multiplexing_and_with_a_GUI I have installed the gsm0710muxd and everything seems to have gone fine. Now, using the Services GUI, I am not able to get GPRS working. First, the settings I have for my connection user: password: (both are supposed to be blank) APN: portalnmms Primary gateway IP: 10.10.1.100 Port:9401 On my FR, my /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and /etc/ppp/chap-secrets now read like this: # clientserver secret IP addresses * * * The last line of my /etc/ppp/peers/gprs file reads user * (should this be user or user * ?) as advised here: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295(replaced PUT_USERNAME_IN_HERE) I'm using *99# as the default dial number, as it isn't clear what Vodafone Live! uses in Mumbai, India. Ross Barkman (http://www.taniwha.org.uk/gprs.html) says the settings should be user: guest, secret: guest. However, it doesn't seem accurate. I don't know whether the gateway IP is to be inserted in the routing table, and if so, how the port is to be specified. From the first couple of attempts with the scripts and GUI, GPRS seemed to work but actually it didn't. Now, I only get a FAILED status report in the GUI. Can anybody tell me if I need to modify the pap/chap-secret files, or the gprs file, or the dialled number? If this starts to work, I can start using the FR as my daytime (office only) phone plus the GPS. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 29 August 2008, Florian Hackenberger wrote: I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11 Ok, here comes the patch. It's tiny and it works (just confirmed on my Neo). Attached to the trac ticket: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 Does this apply only to GTA01? I am getting a Not Downgrading message when I try to install it on GTA02. Further, what is the .patch file for? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, GPRS using multiplexing and GUI for Vodafone Live! in Mumbai
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, I am going by the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS#Option_1:_With_GSM_multiplexing_and_with_a_GUI I have installed the gsm0710muxd and everything seems to have gone fine. Now, using the Services GUI, I am not able to get GPRS working. First, the settings I have for my connection user: password: (both are supposed to be blank) APN: portalnmms Primary gateway IP: 10.10.1.100 Port:9401 On my FR, my /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and /etc/ppp/chap-secrets now read like this: # clientserver secret IP addresses * * * The last line of my /etc/ppp/peers/gprs file reads user * (should this be user or user * ?) as advised here: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295 (replaced PUT_USERNAME_IN_HERE) I'm using *99# as the default dial number, as it isn't clear what Vodafone Live! uses in Mumbai, India. Ross Barkman (http://www.taniwha.org.uk/gprs.html) says the settings should be user: guest, secret: guest. However, it doesn't seem accurate. I don't know whether the gateway IP is to be inserted in the routing table, and if so, how the port is to be specified. From the first couple of attempts with the scripts and GUI, GPRS seemed to work but actually it didn't. Now, I only get a FAILED status report in the GUI. Can anybody tell me if I need to modify the pap/chap-secret files, or the gprs file, or the dialled number? If this starts to work, I can start using the FR as my daytime (office only) phone plus the GPS. OK, got GPRS to work. I was reading a GPRS HowTo somewhere, and realized that I only had to comment out the user PUT_USERNAME_IN_HERE field in /etc/ppp/peers/gprs. The scripts now work, and I can get GPRS running in two-three attempts. The gateway address 10.10.1.100:9401 can be declared as the http_proxy (and HTTP_PROXY) address in environment variables, and specified in your favourite browser when on GPRS. The settings above are valid for Vodafone Live! GPRS Mumbai India. Just for the record. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OM2008.8, sound not working after resume from suspend
I know this has been said ad nauseam, but now I have a real reason to complain. Please standby for a little horror story: my little daughter got lost in a busy mall, and I had made the mistake of only carrying my FR along. Now the mall's administration was calling me up after getting my number from her, but I could not talk to them as the phone had been in suspend mode when the call came in. Luckily my wife's mobile was working so we managed to call back, and were put on hold for some time before we got our daughter. An hour later, by chance, my wife and I got separated somehow (holding one child each) and I lost the signal as I entered the basement. I went back upstairs looking for her, and the FR seemed to be registered to the network, but neither calls nor sms were working. A restart and 10 minutes of waiting later, I was back to square one. No sound even some time after registration, but sms saved the day. Later in the night, I had put the phone on suspend as I was driving. I checked with the home phone, again no sound! So I have now put the FR in the cooler as I will be traveling for more than a week, and can't risk missed calls. Now here's the bottom line: OM should either resolve the suspend-resume-sound issue, or give us a way in which the screen can be both blanked and locked. The current design 'feature' that a screen-locked phone cannot be blanked is really, well, unfortunate. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mofi on FR
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Katrin Tomanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to test mofi today to get my WIFI running. So, I installed mofi as explained in the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mofi, installation through opkg). When starting mofi from a terminal, I get the following error: snip Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/mofi/mofi_gui.py, line 30, in module import gtk File /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py, line 82, in module init() NameError: name 'init' is not defined snap Any hints? What's wrong here? Edit the file /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py and change the call to init() to _init() HTH! Why doesn't somebody fix the charmed file in the repos? This change has also been recommended in the GPRS with GSM Multiplexing and GUI subsection on the wiki. What happens in a real-world scenario is people trying to use vi on the phone's tiny screen estate, standing around wifi hotspots, if they know they have to change init() to _init(). Finding line 82 is very difficult unless you are a vi wizard. The tiny letters on the keyboard (and that's hoping it is raster's kbd, not the original one) make it even worse. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mofi on FR
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: Why doesn't somebody fix the charmed file in the repos? This change has also been recommended in the GPRS with GSM Multiplexing and GUI subsection on the wiki. What happens in a real-world scenario is people trying to use vi on the phone's tiny screen estate, standing around wifi hotspots, if they know they have to change init() to _init(). Finding line 82 is very difficult unless you are a vi wizard. The tiny letters on the keyboard (and that's hoping it is raster's kbd, not the original one) make it even worse. vi command to locate line 82: :82 Then enter. Alakazam! hehe Sarton Cute! I only wish I had that information when I was fooling around on the FR looking like the ultimate geek in a public place. Oh, for the want of a proper text editor... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 solved
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:39 AM, Petr Vanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed the new libficgta01vendor.so file but no help, echo freerunner, then installed the package (--force-downgrade is required), rebooted and placed another call. The echo was gone. Some people however still complain about the echo. It seems to depend on the speaker volume, but I'll investigate a bit further. It's just that my time for working on the phone is very limited. I did the patch (including the test) in about 2 hours and haven't had any time since then. Please be patient and report your experience. I'm pretty confident that we can solve this issue. Florian, could you perhaps paste here your gsmhandset.state, please? i will run some more tests tomorrow If we force a downgrade, will we need to downgrade libficgta again after the next full-scale upgrade? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, sound not working after resume from suspend
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: Now here's the bottom line: OM should either resolve the suspend-resume-sound issue, or give us a way in which the screen can be both blanked and locked. The current design 'feature' that a screen-locked phone cannot be blanked is really, well, unfortunate. Install illume-config-illume from testing or instll rasters image and update to asu stable. Both options will mean you can access the power configuration and enable screen blanking and disable suspend. The suspend option will look to be enabled in settings but this is wrong. It's actually the screen blanking time. I've only tested the raster image. I know, I already have the spanner and power settings. What is needed is a way to blank and lock without suspending. Will illume-config-illume enable it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I wanted to share my experience with FR and Windows Vista. Well, that was just a first time user experience :-) Abdel. You haven't even tried backing it up. Try and see how long *that* takes. They say it is much, much better with the Linux port of DFU-util (or rather, something is very very wrong with the Windows port). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please split this list!
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thorben Krueger wrote: Please consider splitting this mailinglist into sublists, i.e. each handling its own distribution... Does not help. More choice does not bring more order. Especially if there is no system for order that reflects the need for communication. Subsystems are no system for bringing order, because you can not always bring your thoughts into this order. It's stupid, it is frustrating and borders and limitations are plainly not conducive to conversations. Ask people to write the subject lines more clearly, not FR Problem cannot make a call where's the installer thingy etc. If they don't comply, harangue them so they fall in line or leave. Oops. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
VLC on Freerunner / OM2008.8
Hi, I think this has been asked before, but has anybody tried porting VLC [1] to the FR / OM200x? The VLC website [2] says there is a Zaurus port available for an older version with a different ARM processor, so it could be possible to have one for armv4t. The packages are .ipk. By the way, what sort of system requirements would it have? [1] http://www.videolan.org [2] http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-zaurus.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Andrew Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the feedback that the dfu-util for Win32 is that much slower on Vista. I wasn't aware of that. The changes I made to the dfu-util source code were minimal but they could use a code review (I've posted the diff below). On Windows XP, I've never had to wait more than 20 minutes to flash the rootfs so the issue might be related to Windows Vista, or LibUSB-Win32 on Vista, but unfortunately, I do not have Windows Vista so I cannot debug. If anyone has the same issue on Windows XP, I would like to hear about it. I'm using Windows XP with 512 MB RAM on my laptop. rootfs flashing takes between 1-2 hours IIRC. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, sound not working after resume from suspend
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Errr ... isn't that what I said? I have suspend disabled and blanking set to 60 seconds. My FR never suspends and it blanks after 60 secs. This is the case when locked or not. If you indeed have the facilities I do, then you just aren't configuring it correctly. Or am I missing something? Is this not what you were after? I'm talking about the aux button, which locks the screen. I understand that disabling suspend will help get rid of the no-sound-post-resume problem. What I am after is a way to lock the screen with the aux button first, and allow it to blank automatically after 5,10,30 or 60 seconds. It should not light up without pressing the aux button again - in this way, you can keep it in your pocket without resorting to suspend and losing sound after resume. I don't know if there is a way to do this after recent updates, so I'll un-mothball the moko and try, and post my experience again. HTH. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable Distro Recommendation for Business trip
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I've been running OM2008.8 with testing updates for a few weeks now, and I'm finding it generally pretty good - however, it isn't terrifically stable - I've had incoming calls where they couldn't hear me, or where the 'answer call' page doesn't show up until after the caller hangs up. In my day-to-day life I'm usually near a land-line, so these haven't been serious problems. In a few weeks I'm going on a week long business trip, and my cell is going to be my main source of connectivity, so I'm going to need something a lot more stable. I'd love to hear what the community recommends for a distro providing stable connectivity - phone and sms is the highest priority - although GPS capability would be a bonus. The two leading candidates are either FSO or Qtopia. Any opinions on which of these options would work best? My backup position is to put my SIM back in my old Motorola and use it as a phone, and just use my FR as a hand-held computer... Thanks, Warren I'm considering either installing FSO or Qtopia Hey Warren, it seems you are speaking for me word-for-word! Along with business trip and Motorola. I don't know if they already do it, but IMHO whenever a call comes in, the processes associated with the call should be given the highest priority and non-essential processes should be reniced temporarily to the background. I would love to show off my FR on my business trip to the UK tomorrow, but I can't take the risk: I have to be available all the time. So I have the map for London installed, and will use only the GPS. By the way, this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions says Qtopia does not have GPS. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, sound not working after resume from suspend
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You'll have to manually hook something into the aux button to keep the screen blanked even when tapped as the feature will likely only have merit on an individual basis once suspend works. Sarton We'll wait. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.08] Desktop drawer submenu subdirectory
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everybody. I have installed openmoko-games and I enjoy some of them very much. But now my desktop have too much icons to be practical. It would be useful to have subdirectories on the main menu. So if I want to play a game, I go to games and then there are all the games. I have tried (and failed) the following aproachs: 1- Make a directory in /usr/share/applications and copy the .desktop files inside. Result: the subdirectory doesn't appear, but the launchers inside do. 2- Make a directory launcher in the same place, and put the .desktop files inside the directory pointed. Result: the directory launch does not appear. Have you tried the Slider view under Illume menu Configuration (Spanner) Launcher Display Type? It categorizes applications and displays one icon for each category. You can slide horizontally across different applications in each category. Nice idea, but implementation is sub-optimal. You can't see all applications at once, and end up invoking the wrong ones. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT] Copying the iPhone, or what not to do in phone UI design
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.9 Basic questions
1. Is it necessary to do a reflash, or will update upgrade from 2008.8 work? 2. Is it worth the effort? From what I read on the wiki, the worst problems are yet unresolved. I should have waited before buying the FR. When I bought it in July, there was no proper notice on the wiki or on the IDA Systems' website that this phone isn't fit for daily use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, --- On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I should have waited before buying the FR. When I bought it in July, there | was no proper notice on the wiki or on the IDA Systems' website that this | phone isn't fit for daily use. \-- The Qtopia version works for me for daily use: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia My old phone works as a daily phone. I bought the FR for what I did not have - misery. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When i ordered the phone the reseller said on the website that the phone isn't useable for daily use and is only for enthusiasts. And this information was everywhere in the net even at july when i ordered my phone. So don't say you didn't noticed this when you ordered your phone. Or did you just click-buy without researching anything about the things you want to buy? ;) See: http://www.idasystems.net/ and http://www.idasystems.net/freerunner They have updated the website, raised the FR's price (because they didn't figure out octroi earlier?) but still no mention of it not being usable for daily use. In fact, when I bought it, they had a 30 day return policy, which I did not invoke, considering I should support the effort and trust Openmoko to deliver. Now they seem to have removed the return policy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When i ordered the phone the reseller said on the website that the phone isn't useable for daily use and is only for enthusiasts. And this information was everywhere in the net even at july when i ordered my phone. So don't say you didn't noticed this when you ordered your phone. Or did you just click-buy without researching anything about the things you want to buy? ;) See: http://www.idasystems.net/ and http://www.idasystems.net/freerunner They have updated the website, raised the FR's price (because they didn't figure out octroi earlier?) but still no mention of it not being usable for daily use. In fact, when I bought it, they had a 30 day return policy, which I did not invoke, considering I should support the effort and trust Openmoko to deliver. Now they seem to have removed the return policy. And by the way, what do Openmoko have to say about the FR? http://www.openmoko.com/product.html# The only (implied) warning one could have come across in the early days of the launch was the *Community Portal*, which is the wiki, saying that this was a developer release of the FR. So how many phone purchase decisions are made on the basis of a *community portal's* hint, when the corporate and reseller websites do not point out that it is an experimental device at all? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: And by the way, what do Openmoko have to say about the FR? http://www.openmoko.com/product.html# The only (implied) warning one could have come across in the early days of the launch was the *Community Portal*, which is the wiki, saying that this was a developer release of the FR. So how many phone purchase decisions are made on the basis of a *community portal's* hint, when the corporate and reseller websites do not point out that it is an experimental device at all? Sorry for the chain of posts, but when I bought the phone, IDA Systems claimed it had a 500 MHz processor. Now they have corrected their website to say it is 400 MHz. Are we trying to promote openness here, or damage it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 Basic questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see the purpose of this argument. With the right level of enthusiasm, a little configuration and remembering to plug it in when you're not there to manually suspend it, the phone works as a phone with 2008.8 just fine. I use mine every day and since receiving it have not turned on my old phone, not even once! More power to you! Before I get flamed though I will state I am an avid Linux user. I am comfortable with command line or GUI, and actually tend to prefer the CLI. For those who are very new to Linux or are still scared of the command line might I suggest studying and becoming comfortable with CLI first for now since, until the software has been stabilized further, these complains will continue to exist. I will wait avidly for the day, but I don't think I should be holding my breath. In the mean time, I hope the people at OM get their hands on a proper Linux phone, so they can see how really usable and bug-free it can be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] Copying the iPhone, or what not to do in phone UI design
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Tuesday 16 September 2008 17:33:23 schrieb Nishit Dave: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone Fun, but comparing apples and oranges. The iPhone UI design is stellar. Yes, it has warts, but less than anything else on the market. I saw the Samsung Instinct touchscreen phone in the US. Like other phones here, it has been crippled, but I was dismayed to see the similarities between its UI and the one in OM 2008.8 / Qtopia. Noteworthy aspects: It has a usable Shelf, call management features work instantaneously, it has useful buttons like volume control, call pickup/dialer, etc., and has a GPS navigation system with voice prompts that works. Ah, and a tactile response system - all keypresses - virtual and real - invoke a tiny vibration. Overall a pretty good phone, but yes, crippled. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I'm just sending this out there for anyone working on a/the dialer UI. At the moment with the qtopia (ergo, 2008.*) dialer the same part of the screen is used for answer call as end call, and since the UI is laggy (see below), I naturally hit answer call a second time and as a result hung up immediately. Probably should avoid this UI design pitfall in future dialer (and other) interfaces. I agree too. Do you think there is a ticket open already ? Apart from that, don't you think call management function threads should get the highest priority attached when invoked? That should help the response times. On a side note, I think there is a real need to reconsider the UI of the phone altogether. Should we start a wiki page to get user inputs? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paroli? We need more info about this I am in the dark as much as you are... Minh Seems to be a contacts+phone+messages framework implemented in Python, as far as I have found. Please. For FOSS's sake, not Python! Do you really want the dialer to blank out for a minute at a stretch while the screen is repainted? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Now that you mention this, I think the problem is Hardware based. I've bought an Asus Eee 901 :D, and now I have a means of comparison in terms of WiFi reception. My conclusion is that the Neo FR's wifi sucks. Example1: - my home AP has WPA; sitting 2 meters away from it, the FR show 50% signal strength. Okay, you can say that's too close and they are shouting at each other, causing signal corruption. Very well, I take it 10 meters away, behind a couple of normal walls. The signal strength drops all the way, right down to 5%, which is pretty unusable. The Eee901 has 100% signal strength in the vicinity of the AP, and behind those walls shows 30%. Example2: - at work, the Eee901 picks up 4 weak networks, the strongest one at 35% strength and joins (no security) without problems. The FR picks up only the stronger one at 8%, and it cannot join it. This has convinced me that either the wifi on the FR has serious hardware problems, or the software is misguiding it. Anyway, it needs serious attention. Has anyone filed bugs on this wifi problem? Vasco. You're doing better than me. I was getting a 35% signal strength from my wifi router (Linksys RangePlus) at the same distance. My laptop showed the signal strength to be 'excellent'. Now that I think of it, I got better performance when I had set the FR down next to the router. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
*yawn* Predujice... *yawn* years of experience using yumex, Fedora and what not. Carefully considered Predijuice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Alastair Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: *yawn* Predujice... *yawn* years of experience using yumex, Fedora and what not. Carefully considered Predijuice. Can you point to something specific that makes python unsuitable for a responsive GUI? I've seen unresponsive GUIs written with many languages, but it is generally a problem with the code not the language. How about experience? I don't know about programming or system specifics, but as a user, I have always found most programs written in python to be prone to latency in screen redraws and freeze-ups. You can test that on the FR - just try Mofi, switch to say the home screen, and switch back. You will be able to see how long it takes before text appears. I have seen this happen everywhere. Just from an efficiency point of view, don't you think a compiled program may run better than an interpreted one on a system with limited hardware capabilities. Anyway, why do I bother... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS Device
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Matthias Camenzind [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Output is repeating endless.ttySCA0 and ttySCA2 gives no output. opkg install gpsd echo GPS_DEV=/dev/ttySAC1 /etc/default/gpsd /etc/init.d/gpsd restart ttySAC1 is correct. I wonder why the default setting is ttySAC0. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# sleep 1s echo 1 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron stty -F /dev/ttySAC1 -echo cat -u /dev/ttySAC1 | grep -v ^$ $GPGSA,A,1,99.99,99.99,99.99*30 $GPGSV,1,1,00*79 $GPGLL,,V,N*64 $GPZDA,00,00*48 Has someone an idea what i could do? SD Card Slot is fixed Reboot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Alex Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean start Mofi, then switch to a different app and back to the still running Mofi? The window renders virtually instantly for me, there's a little flash of it redrawing but you really have to watch for it and it's not noticeably worse than any other app. I'm switching between xterm and Mofi on Debian on the FreeRunner. The fact I can't see it could be due to Debian using a different GTK theme, I notice the font (and hence all the widets) are much smaller on Debian than on OM 2007/8, so it might render faster. It might be because I use a Qtopia-based installation (2008.8-update) then, and GTK might run better on Debian 'natively', I guess. The fact that Python is used for the application logic should have zero effect on the redraw speed. This is because the code that does the drawing (GTK), is actually written in C. The Python code tells GTK once when the window is created, hey I want five buttons and a textbox with this text, in this arrangement, you figure out the rest, it's then GTK's responsibility to redraw them and tell python when a button gets clicked or a menu item is selected. In a normal application that's just using standard widgets and not doing any custom drawing, redraws (like switching between applications) shouldn't execute any Python code at all. This is very informative, thanks. I still have the feeling that GUI performance is poor when the executable is written in python. Maybe its just me. But for typical GUI programs processor speed is usually largely irrelevant as long as the underlying toolkit is not completely broken. If a GUI is not responding it's a problem with how the program is structured, it should be doing something asynchronously instead of blocking the event loop. I just hope everybody follows best practices. At the end of the day, all I need is something that is responsive. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I use testing and have varied success with wifi. I don't bother with trying to identify what going on by what's being reported. It has been stated on here that the issues with the driver are great enough that statistics may be skewed. What I have witnessed is that sometimes it appears the wireless hardware is next to useless ... but then under a different update or on another day it functions flawlessly even in a problematic area of the house. When I was running stable with no real updates coming down, I couldn't even be bothered with wireless. At the moment, I am having issues. Selecting wireless 'on' results in nothing being displayed. I have to push all my scripts back across so I haven't tested manually yet. So in summary, I don't think it's worth attempting to figure this out as an end user as yet. I believe it's driver/kernel related. The hardware itself is quite new so it doesn't really surprise me. I'd wait for a statement as _everybody_ has this problem. I can't imagine the devs are sitting there with freerunners and working wireless ;) All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? Note that interferences may weaken an otherwise perfectly good signal. So the proximity isn't always synonymous with good signal strengh. Xav No? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 17:36 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 16:58 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: All this discussion does not help if you realize that even after placing the FR *next* to the blooming router, you get reported a signal strength of 65%. What does the hardware expect, building the router *inside* the FR? Note that interferences may weaken an otherwise perfectly good signal. So the proximity isn't always synonymous with good signal strengh. Xav No? Well, the closer you are, the better the signal is. But in my building, there are many other wifi networks. And in the evening, when they are all in use, I get a worst signal even when near my AP, whereas e.g. during the night it's better. At least I seem to have observed that. Have you used Occam's Razor on that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frederic Leroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:53 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am currently using epdf and it work well too The nice thing IMHO with Evince is that it supports many formats: - djvu - pdf - cbz (xipped archive of images) Nice ! and some others. Does it support plucker(.pdb) files too ? I've got a lot of these. I'm not sure, but I dont think so. Why can't we have GUIs redesigned for mobile screens? There are many packages like epdfviewer etc. out there that just replicate the GUI used for a PC. The menu bar takes up too much space. Menus need to scroll. The file open dialog is nearly impossible to use. The qpe file manager is also a pain, so it becomes even more difficult to have a roundabout solution. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nishit, The company that sold you your Freerunner offered you refund, already. I assumed that you would take this, leave the list and STOP FUCKING WHINING. I guess this was too much for me to hope for, huh? Dude, I will decide what to say, till the time I return the FR, if I decide to do so. If you don't like what I say, complain to the list maintainers. Otherwise, hold your tongue or come up with a solution. I have showed my commitment to a cause by putting my money where my mouth is, and I didn't do it because I wanted to hop on to the embedded linux shebang. If I feel that I have been let down, I have every right to say so. Refunds do not make up for lost time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Because you haven't redesigned them written the code. No, you do it, I pay for the product, you earn, and then show what a class act you are: hold your tongue or come up with a solution Stroller. See? Nobody invited your advise here. You don't even see the context. You and your kind are what is wrong with the open source community, as innumerable opinions have emphasized over the years. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SPAM] Re: kernel for qt extended 4.4
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no problems with echo. But I can confirm the other issues. And one is missing: I can't recieve SMS. Does anyone? I wrote one to myself and a friend wrote one. after half an hour i turned neo off and put the card in my old phone and this recieved both messages. But now, i have another issue: somehow the theme changed. And at this theme the buttons at the bottom don't appear. so I neither can change nor do any other important things. I used FR with Qtextended as my one and only daily phone today, because I lost my Motorokr E6 the night before the last (using OM2008.8-update was an actual waking nightmare yesterday). I have been very happy with the results so far, but the problems I have found, confirming yours are: 1. Default volume too low: had to hand-edit gsmhandset.state, the volume control in settings call settings did not do the trick 2. Using the headset during a call requires you to select speakerphone from the menu - audio is routed usually through one earphone, but for the mic, you have to use the FR's speaker-mic. Selecting headset does not work - Could this mean the settings in gsmheadset.state and gsmspeakerout.state have been interchanged? 3. Strong echo heard by most of the callers 4. Phone needs to be reminded of power management functions when plugged in - I have already saved the settings in (added to) my profile 5. Whenever a new SMS is received, the phone reports earlier messages as unread in the popup notification 6. Some messages are received twice 7. Somehow, the phone seems to create copies of messages in the inbox - I now have 159 messages in one day, when the total received was perhaps 16. Sent items shows the correct number 8. In GPRS settings, I can't modify the APN setting, so there is no way to figure out if it works. The wiki says here [1] that it should be specified in the chat file. However, I don't know if Qtextended uses the same functionality to connect to GPRS. There are no such files in /etc/ppp 9. I don't think networking through usb0 works correctly. I have specified my proxy in settings internet new ethernet, also exported it as an environment variable under SSH, but no cigar. Ping to www.google.com or 208.67.222.222 doesn't seem to work. I am using Freeproxy as a bridge between my corporate lan on my laptop, and the FR 10. Due to 9 above, settings software packages does not work. Neither does opkg, for much the same reason, although I believe nothing should be installed from the OM repositories 11. What about GPS? Both 8 and 9 mean there is no way to test how it works. Plus there are hardly any tried and tested routing / navigation applications available (roadmaps seems to be experimental, haven't tried it). We need something like TangoGPS or Navit 12. The qwerty keyboard is too tiny and a bit messy. The predictive keyboard seems to have done away with the right-to-left flick for backspace So there are twelve problems I can enumerate quickly, but they are not showstoppers. I believe most of these issues will be cleared up quickly. Battery life is much better than under any of the OMs, applications start up much faster and I haven't even tried fastload yet, and respond much faster too! All in all, FR with Qtextended (4.4.1) is the closest I have gotten to a phone, much better than the 2007.2 factory image, which was quite buggy, and of course, everyone's favourite 2008.x. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS#gprs-connect-chat.2C_version_1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Angus Ainslie wrote: Wifi is working as well as any basic distro install. You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and or wpa_supplicant.conf but it is working. Well, saying 'working' is too much imho. I can connect only to an AP at each reboot and after that the wifi chip continues sucking my battery also if it isn't associated neither it can associate (and also scan) with anything else. I really hope that the Andy's patch to make the wifi driver modular could workaround these problems... In the meantime, why not use the Services GUI mentioned here [1] and kill wifi when not in use? [1] http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=21t=295 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Craig B. Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - smart' theme has no way to get to dialer Strange, isn't it? For a few minutes, I thought I had deleted something. I think the finxi theme is rightly balanced in terms of usability and looks. I couldn't figure out how to use wheelbrowser, and I think it is best to stay away from it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /etc/resolv.conf with qt extended
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Kishore [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: What does the GUI in qt extended use when connecting on wifi? For me after using the GUI /etc/resolv.conf would always end up empty. ifup eth0 does the right thing and populated it correctly. Today used the GUI and repeatedly did a cat /etc/resolv.conf over ssh. I notice that it does get populated correctly but then something happens and its empty. Any reasoning/fixes for this behavior? I had some glitches with usb0 and sometimes the phone freezing when fiddling with settings internet new ethernet. Again, ifup usb0 showed a message related to wlan0! I don't want to reproduce it right now because my SSH section is active. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Snapshots? Yes, please!
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:33 PM, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, just wanted to share my experience with QT Extended: 1) First off - I put [QtExtended] in the subject - hope this is okay. I have found it extremely convenient when others have done it, as it makes it easy to (quick)filter on subject. I would encourage other qt users to do the same. Good idea, hope it is standardised across the list through regular chiding of posters. The first time I tried to add my local wlan network, I really didn't understand the logic in the settings: First add wlan, then add networks. To add new networks, I need to a) select wlan, b) Options-wlan detection, c) wait for autoscan to end, d) options- add new networks..., e) select new network. Okay, it works, but is it the best way? Am I doing anything wrong here? I will try connecting to wlan tonight. However, I have not been able to get a successful internet connection through usb0, although the setup is the same as I had under OM2008.x. That is, Freeproxy on my Windows XP laptop bridging the otherwise uncrossable chasm between the corporate lan and the FR, alternating between OpenDNS and 192.168.0.200 under resolv.conf, declaring environment proxy variables under both SSH and bash, etc. Has anybody faced a similar issue and resolved it? Main issues: 7) volume/mic not properly adjusted when making a call: other part can't hear me, and I get too much noise to call it okay. I tried the gsmhandset.state provided by Franky (attachment to Re: one day usage of qtextended), but it didn't really solve the problem for me. Manually tweaking mic1/2 (and others) in 'alsamixer' during a call (usb, ssh) convinced me that it really can be done, but it is really hard to find the correct ratios. I think if someone even works out why the headset requires speakerphone mode to be set, and which too only works halfways, that would be a big leap forward. The interference problem is a hardware bug, and looking at the history, it may be one of the hardest ones to be solved through software. 12) Great to see ppp support in the lates mwester kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin)! Too bad I didn't manage to get it working. Anyone had any luck? Do I really have to tweak all those /etc/* files? Did you try GPRS? Where and how did you specify the APN? I can't figure it out either. 15) Terminal: The Back button doesn't seem to work. Choosing Options/Exit does the trick, but gives an error: Application terminated: Terminal was terminated due to application error. That is rather cosmetic. What really bugs is those duplicate calls and messages. 16) Any timeframe on a working AGPS mapping software with autodownloadable maps? Sadly, all great software currently uses pygtk. The developers might not want to do it under QT and their licenses...I hope I'm sadly mistaken here. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing
Hi, I am trying to install the Roadmap application from http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 and on my Freerunner, and am following instructions given therein. However, when I do this: tar -xvpf roadmap2.tgz I get an error message: tar: invalid tar magic. I have also tried it with tar -xvf roadmap2.tgz, but still the same result. I have tested the downloaded file with 7-zip and it seems to be OK. I had read somewhere on a forum that the version of tar shipped by busybox (v1.16.1?) is broken. Is that the case here? Where can I find an unbroken version for Qtextended? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Nicola Mfb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/9 Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I am trying to install the Roadmap application from http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 and on my Freerunner, and am following instructions given therein. However, when I do this: tar -xvpf roadmap2.tgz try tar -xvzf roadmap2.tgz Nicola, it's working! Thanks a lot. Usage review follows in 3...2...1... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, I am trying to install the Roadmap application from http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 and on my Freerunner, and am following instructions given therein. However, when I do this: tar -xvpf roadmap2.tgz I get an error message: tar: invalid tar magic. I have also tried it with tar -xvf roadmap2.tgz, but still the same result. I have tested the downloaded file with 7-zip and it seems to be OK. I had read somewhere on a forum that the version of tar shipped by busybox (v1.16.1?) is broken. Is that the case here? Where can I find an unbroken version for Qtextended? Further, the directory structure inside the roadmap2.tgz archive seems to point to /media/mmcblk0p2, while my card is mounted at /media/card from /dev/mmcblk0p1. I tried to change the directory name inside the archive to point it to /media/card, but it made no difference. So there is a need to check if the version of tar included in qtextended 4.4.1 is indeed broken, and if the directory structure of the archive should be corrected as well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Qtextended] Kernel modules from mwester
Hi, I am using the current kernel for qtexended on FR available from mwester. I also downloaded the minimal kernel module set from http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels. The version of the module set and the kernel seems to be matching, but after extracting the modules on my system, I now have two directories under /lib/modules (as I had expected): 2.6.24 (the original kernel) and 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 (the minimal module set). My question is if I was actually supposed to install the module set, and if so, whether they would be in use, and what difference they are supposed to make. The file names therein match the module names inside the kernel, but the sizes are obviously smaller, so they weren't meant to be a replacement. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Snapshots? Yes, please!
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:57 PM, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you try GPRS? Where and how did you specify the APN? I can't figure it out either. Yes: Setup, Internet, Options, New, GPRS, Account name, APN. I need to investigate more myself. I rather meant asking how you managed to enter the APN, because on my phone, that option is unclickable / disabled and does not respond to the stylus. I can't even Tab to it with the keyboard, as the keyboard forcibly disappears when you tab across from account name to connection type. Do you specify it in any of the configuration files in /etc/ppp or etc/ppp/peers? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:30 PM, William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: When this happened to me (different file, but principle is the same), I found the invalid tar magic occurred quite a way into the file so most of it uncompressed ok. To complete it, I uncompressed it on my desktop then rsynced the two trees. BillK Thanks. Actually, the whole issue is now moot, as roadmap2 is for QT 4.3.2 and not for Qtextended as Filip Onkelinx told me just now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTExtended package repository
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:51 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Pax wrote: I'm looking for the package repository for QTExtended. http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo does not seem to be there, but this is what is in the package manager I flashed to my neo. Please advise. I haven't gotten around to getting packages built for this. Once the sdk starts building again, I will add packages there. Hi Lorn, Thanks for the great work so far. Can you tell us what to expect in packages? Would it be just updates to the default install, or will there be more packages to choose from? Any hints? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say I am quite pleased with the Freerunner and QTextended. Battery life is quite good (much more than 1 day). Do note I don't call much and don't play around with wifi/gprs/gps at the moment. Battery life seems good, but I have noticed that since the last two days, my FR gets switched off although battery status must have been around 70% before I went to sleep...I did use wifi but put it offline, so either it continues to drain power, or the alarm that doesn't ring drains it in the morningwho knows. I noticed that plugging in the headset (while in the car for handsfree phone) or listening to music makes the FR switch to plugged in mode, and unplugging the headset did not switch the FR back to unplugged. Did more people notice this? I did too, and was going to post it today, but I noticed that once I receive a call and have to switch to speakerphone mode to get the earpiece to work, the phone seems to revert to 'on battery' state, and then the screen dims, blanks out and the phone suspends normally. Let me know if this works for you too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Devendra Gera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2008, Jelle De Loecker wrote: What vesion did you use? I could not install the stable one, as I didn't want the echo problem. Hearing EVERYONE say I can hear myself as if there's something I can do about it, is very annoying. I've had that happen to me sometimes since yesterday and I figured out why. When I answer calls, the phone sometimes automatically jumps to (or starts the cal in) speakerphone mode. Click Options-Headset fixes the echo. Mildly annoying sure, but nothing that understanding friends can't live with :) To the OP: I have posted two .state files sometime back, but the message still awaits moderator approval. If it does not get through, try changing the settings mentioned here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem under Alsamixer channel controls in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ HTH. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Arigead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an external link on the GPRS wiki page to a German site for installing the GSM Multiplexor and a GUI. I've been trying to get those instructions to work for the last couple of days. I assume I'm getting something wrong but how can I be sure, given the speed things change in OpenMoko, the instructions still work. I was able to get them to work, and the Services GUI was quite handy. However, I switched over to Qtextended last weekend. Have you installed all dependencies? Where is it that you have a problem exactly? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Anyway suspend is definitly not reliable :) which I suspect in great part has to do with the blasted NDA over the graphics card documentation. Remember the White Screen of Death? Maybe OM inc guys need help with the X driver, but since it's not on their priority, suspend will hardly work reliably anytime soon... I fear Full FOSS on chip? Was that what the ad on the website said? If there is something that is too good to be true, it certainly is the case. Always. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer question [preliminary report]
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can i test if it really goes into suspend or any other suspend-like mode? After i press the putton zhone says that it goes into suspend and nothing anymore reacts for input. Only when i press the power button again it comes back to life after 1-2 seconds. Is there a way to go into a deeper suspend mode and how? :) Ciao, Rainer Andy Green wrote: Fox Mulder wrote: Andy Green wrote: The issue is what does idle mean. Suspend for Freerunner should last a week. Sitting there with CPU up even with backlight down is 60-90mA on battery, suspend is 5 - 10mA and that's why you get battery life reduced accordingly if you stay out of suspend. That's a kernelspace issue on the one hand (suspend is not entirely reliable) but also a userspace issue (there have been bugs negotiating entry to suspend instead of sitting there with CPU up at 400MHz and backlight down). Since suspend/resume works again i did a little test how much power my neo uses when in suspend. :) The starting situation was that i used debian with [1] as kernel and had wlan+gsm activated and only zhone and openmoko-panel-plugin running. Than i plug off the power cradle at 100% battery level, suspended my neo and let it sleep for 6 hours. After i woke ip up it only had 24% battery left. This means ~3/4 of the 1200mAh accu drained. 900mAh in 6 hours means that it used 150mA in average all the time while in suspend. This Well, it's not suspended, we have to take care of the nomenclature was my point. Suspended means the CPU is off. I agree that 150mA is no use for suspend, but I think you find the CPU was up during that. *groan* I am on qtextended, I charged the phone fully before going to sleep, but when I woke up this morning, it was switched off. I had switched off the alarm too. After putting it to charge, apm told me battery level was 10%. The phone suspends and wakes up normally, I think. What is it? What IS it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtextended]Mapping demo maps
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 3:32 PM, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: How do you configure the source for the mapping demo maps. Right now I can get a fix but since I don't have an internet connection configured, I can't see my position on a map. Is there a way to get it to use the maps from openstreetmaps I had previously configured for tangogps ? It being just a demo, it gives you your co-ordinates, direction and speed, and of course, an API to develop against. You can wait for OpenCityMap to be ported to Qtextended, and use it the same way as you did tangogps. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello everyone, I'm proud to announce my newest project: http://www.opkg.org It's a simple database of available *.ipk-Packages. I know, some time ago there was someone other who planned to do something like this. But it's been a long time since then. I don't think they are working on it anymore... It just confirms what everyone is saying about Openmoko: Everything is unfinished and takes forever to be done. In my opinion that's not true. All of you do a really great job. So I wanted to give my contribution to the community and build that Homepage. There is a lot to improve on the site. These are (some of) my targets: * add Search-Box * improve «Package-Detail»-Screen * improve Home-Screen Everybody is able to post new packages or edit packages. Just register and log in. It would be great if all of you would help getting the database populated. I added just a few packages, but I know there are more! If you find any kind of bugs on the page (espacially spelling mistakes) feel free to contact me. My first language is German - not English (I think you realized that lines ago...). I'm also happy if you send me your ideas and opinions! Great work, Tobias! I have one suggestion: add information about required dependencies, and the distribution that the package is compatible with. Another one: get the category list on top. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Qtextended] Handwriting recognition
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 3:35 PM, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Le dimanche 12 octobre 2008 à 11:55 +0200, Mathieu Rochette a écrit : When on a text input, choose 'Option' and then 'Change Input Method' until there is no keyboard display. Then just write on the screen! Ok, it works. Maybe an option named Handwriting something along with Keyboard, Docked Keyboard, Predictive Keyboard would make things less confusing. That is not a bug, that is a feature, right there along with the magical controls in media player and om-view on OM2008.x. Actually, it was real fun, and rather useful in case of om-view to intuit and use. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtextended]wifi
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 3:32 PM, julien cubizolles [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Everything phone-related is so far working smoother and faster with qtextended but I can't get wifi to work. I created a wlan connection in the Internet application and tried the WLAN Detection function but it didn't see my home wlan even though it appears in iwlist eth0 scan. More technical information needed. Also, is there a way to switch off the wifi antenna from the gui ? I can't find a Power off wifi like there is for bluetooth. There seems to be none, but going by the internet settings gui, where you tap to go online, the antenna must be getting switched off in offline mode - if you selected 'connect on demand'. You can put it to offline mode and test with ifconfig -a. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
