This is great news.
I am looking forward to running a distro on this thing with a PROPER
security model ... no users running as root.
Thanks for linkage!
R.
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Knight Walker wrote:
Encryption is another matter, and one I will want addressed before too
long. I've got some ideas on how it can be done, but I'll need to see
more of the OM system live before I can begin to decide if my ideas
are feasible or if they need changing.
-KW
Encryption is
Kevin Dean wrote:
Hi everyone. Over the weekend I took perhaps 50 or so screenshots of
the ASU on a Freerunner. A lot of them are repetitive, simply showing
all of the options on a given application. But others are
interesting and show some new or under-reviewed applications.
I've taken
Michele Renda wrote:
Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote.
I have a far better idea.
Why don't we kill this frickin thread and ban anyone from the mailing
list for ever bringing this up?
Do we have to suffer noobs forever on really retarded topics?
I'd
Francesco Albanese wrote:
As I already pointed out, re-establishing the correct privilege
isolation is a fundamental step to enforce security, even though the
phone will have only 1 user. In the future we should have a few root
process, dedicated accounts for daemons and a X session belonging
Kevin Dean wrote:
the om represents a device more powerfull than the computer linux was
developed on.
i am not sure i understand you correctly, but for me it sounds like you
saying user/group separation is meaningfull for servers only (and only
because physical access can be prevented), for
Kevin Dean wrote:
I understand how and why permission seperations exist. :) What I'm
saying is that if we sit back and evaluate how this device is going to
be used in the vast majority of cases, you'll realize that unlike a
desktop or server system, the data that a non-root user can delete is
Kevin Dean wrote:
In the mobile world, there is NOTHING more important than the user's
data. Nothing. And in the mobile world, you can impliment root priv
seperations till the cows come home, but it doesn't eliminate the fact
that the most vulnerable part of the system is being put at risk
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
If you have root AND user, root can make a backup copy of user's valuable
data
every once in a while, and user or the virus she imported while browsing the
web can NOT destroy this backup.
I can't follow your arguments. It's NOT an evil person we need to fence in,
Nigel Cunningham wrote:
That's too bad. I was going to buy GTA02, but decided not to because it
lacks 3G. If GTA03 is going to lack it too, I guess I'd better look
elsewhere for something / re-evaluate how long I want to wait before
combining my organiser and phone into one.
Nigel
Peter Nijs wrote:
no problems. what i don't want is people to get their hopes up. this was in
the context of people asking if they can play vga video and me going good
luck!. there is reality - and you can sit and hack away spend lots of time
and get 1 case to work, and work well. as i said -
ian douglas wrote:
Robert Taylor wrote:
I'm not dropping this. You still have it wrong.
Hi Robert,
I'm not trying to win the overall argument, I just want you to
acknowledge that my position is as valid as your own, as I do for your
position in point #2 below.
Ian, I acknowledge
Kevin Dean wrote:
I'm an American and your statement confuses me. Why is it obvious
that a contract without a phone should be cheaper? The service
(cellular connectivity for voice and/or data) is the same service no
matter what phone you have.
In the US, the price of service contracts
ian douglas wrote:
But the carriers in America, in my experience (and I currently use a
phone on each of Verizon, ATT and TMobile), simply don't discount their
monthly plan rates for using an unlocked phone on their network.
Whatever portion of your monthly plan isn't otherwise going
Nkoli wrote:
...
As a tmobile USA (non New York) user, 3G can wait till 2009 for all I
care, but EDGE is definitely a necessity. Since the rest of the world
will have been using 3G for 2-5 years by the time GTA03 is released,
not having 3G in that device will be a really bad idea. Forget
Ortwin Regel wrote:
There has been all this fruitless talk about resolution. Well, what is
really limiting the Neo's screen right now is not resolution
(obviously), not speed (at least not on the GTA01, no idea how messed
up the 02 situation is. I'd guess it's faster most of the time.) but
Jorge . wrote:
Hello everyone,
I dont pretend to start a flamewar of FreeRunner vs iPhone. Everyone knows
their advantages and disadvantages and at least for me the main reason to buy
an openmoko is the freedom.
But the new iPhone 3G price was announced, and the 8 Gigas version will cost
Ortwin Regel wrote:
There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in
Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably
godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no
monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me
the
Roland Häder wrote:
My suggestion here is that OpenMoko may design another phone - if the market
asks for this:
- An OpenMoko for younger people who need the gaming controls Ortwin is
mentioning as subject for removal.
- Another OpenMoko for professionals/business/older people without the
Ortwin Regel wrote:
Reading these posts of the last few days it has just occurred to me
that it's not Carsten we should be beating up on here.
Who the heck asked for translucency and flashy animations?
Management seem to be asking for this alpha bleeding rubbish, and
it seems to me that we
Ken Young wrote:
This is especially true because if the GTA03 tries to be an iPhone
clone, it will be at best a half-assed iPhone clone. The hardware just
isn't competitive with an iPhone's. If the GTA03 has QVGA, will it have
fast 3G networking? No. Will it have a state-of-the-art
Andy Powell wrote:
At some point we're going to start explaining to the folks at OM that we
can't
actually afford to buy every model they produce to help fund this
evolution... I really don't want to have a collection of interesting but
ultimately useless devices - Let's face it the
Jorge . wrote:
Just look Ebay, amazon, etc... you can buy unlocked iPhones for almost the
price they have with ATT, in fact there is no ATT in my country, an i could
buy one on many shops in the downtown (dont misunderstand me, i want the
FreeRunner!!).
I am sure it will happen again
Robert Taylor wrote:
Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap
your fingers and you get everything instantly?
It sure sounds like you aren't interested in the openness of the moko
but more of a consumer device ... yes / no?
I'm with you on the multitude
Jorge . wrote:
No doubt, but you can buy unlocked iPhones on many places, including internet
and they dont cost $960
Thats ONLY because you can buy an iPhone right now WITHOUT a contract.
You won't be getting the same phoen pricing with the new iPhone, that is
guaranteed - to break a
ian douglas wrote:
Exactly.
Whether you get the iPhone, a Freerunner, a Nokia, a Samsung,
whatever... you still need to pay for the cellular service.
Yes, it's cheaper if you buy pay-as-you-go service, and yes, if you buy
the 'locked' iPhone (retail box from ATT) you *must* buy into a
Jorge . wrote:
Hello,
This post is going further my expectations :) so, lets put the things in
order:
Okay.
1) FreeRunner and its freedom is the best, so we dont need an argue about the
good reasons to buy one :)
Right!
2) In countries where you have to sign a two year contract,
ian douglas wrote:
alking about what's subsidized and what's not. We're
comparing how much money have I paid out of my pocket after two years
to compare a 2-year contract requirement versus owning a Freerunner.
Well yes we are.
If the moko was subsidized it would effectively be free.
Andy Powell wrote:
Do you live on planet earth or some magical fairy land where you snap
your fingers and you get everything instantly?
Mmm... I'm trying to work out if you just being an arse or you have a
question
in there. I'd like you to point out where I said anything about
Michael T. Dean wrote:
On 06/10/2008 06:21 PM, ian douglas wrote:
While I'm not trying to encourage any bitter feelings whatsoever, I'm
curious how you calculated the iPhone costs twice as much as the
Freerunner when you look at the bottom line of how many dollars you've
spent after
ian douglas wrote:
Robert Taylor wrote:
Just compare equal things.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of equal.
Hear me out:
Hi!
:-) I really do mean well but I'm not dropping this.
You still have it wrong.
If the moko was subsidized out of pocket expense
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
not so simple. i think he business plan is changing because before this
happened with the 1st iphone. people could buy without contract. it was
assumed
that the phone lock would force people to get a contract anyway and apple bore
the risk by losing
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
now it changes with the 3g iphone. you must sign up when you buy. sure - you
can now take that phone, unlock it, re-sell it, but you are stuck with a
contract you must keep paying for... with no phone to use on that contract
unless you buy another phone
Robert Taylor wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
Precisely. And if you want to quit your contract you will pay A FEE
that will make your phone far more expensive than $600.
I wish people would stop saying nonsense.
It really doesn't matter if you unlock the phone
Chris Wright wrote:
2008/6/9 Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
scrolling. (and possible in landscape with an ultra-tiny 4-pixel wide font -
possible (3
With a modular design like that, then you could have one device shipped
out with many configurations possible.
You could then buy the external case for playing games, one with a
keyboard, etc.
That would really set it appart.
So how about thinking of th 03 and onward in such a modular way?
You know, you are jokingly commenting about this ...
... but i'm fully setting mine up as a mame emulator.
I think that while initially moko is positioned for the technically
experienced, I believe we have a device here that can trully do
something unique - become a portable general computing
Lally Singh wrote:
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/5/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Michael. The only reason I want a Freerunner, is because
it is open.
Open's great. But Open+Powerful
Wow, I didn't know that.
Google does contribute to various open source projects, but they sure as
hell don't seem to drink the punch.
Thanks for the info, that completely defines my view of Android.
And they use WINE to run android dev stuff on linux? My god - that
beggars the imagination.
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Good evening!
So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an
openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better
resolution)?
If you are willing to exchange your freedom for a few
Christian Benke wrote:
Oh, and not to forget the choice - people are not homogenized - We
have created the software this way and this is the right way, you
can't dislike it, obey doesn't happen, hundreds of people create and
recreate the software to reflect their individual choice and it's much
Steven Kurylo wrote:
Not even two hours ago Steve sent an update on production status.
Yup I'm aware of that. This email is just contingency planning just in
case they get a production run out in time, if not it's all good.
Will access be via distributors/resellers,
online store or
Mike, why not consider using the moko smartphone as a pda?
PDA's aren't that much more powerful than the moko thus you won't really
be running anything but what you run on the smartphone anyway, plus they
usually have few connectivity routes, extremely short battery lifespans
and generally
Steven Le Roux wrote:
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Al Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comparing with the FreeRunner hardware wiki page:
Steven Le Roux wrote:
and we are talking about a phone... so the camera... is clearly NOT
a priority for a first phone;..
fortunately there is no keyboard ;) ! or where's the point with the
touchscreen...
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elektrolott wrote:
I really don't understand you people.
Instead of being happy that FIC sells their phones ..
I just want to second this post and second Ivo Anjo's post as well.
My thanks to all the Moko project folks, FIC and Trolltech as well.
You guys are putting up with unwarranted
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